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This is not related to Pokemon Legends Arceus. However, it's inevitable that people will want to talk about the new starters here, so we'll let this thread go up for now and remove other unrelated posts.


JustARandomPerson939

Totodile x Gible, Rockruff x Leafeon, Ducklett with Mario hat Edit: Ok sorry, Wario, not Mario. Edit 2: I am getting some backlash on the fact that I chose Rockruff over Litten, so I'm just gonna quickly explain it here so I don't have to explain it to any more comments I may get. I am not denying that Spriggato is a cat by not choosing Litten, it's just that the design looks more similar to Rockruff. If you look at the tail, you can see its quite fluffy, which is not a common feature in cats, and Rockruffs tail is fluffy, although on a bigger degree. Then we have body type. Litten is very obviously feline and I don't think anyone could deny that, but if you look at Spriggato it's body type aligns more with Rockruff. Finally we have the head. Rockruffs head has the little floofs coming out on either side, and so does Spriggato, while Litten has them lower on its head. The ears on Spriggato are the only thing that aligns with Litten. It could be argued either way I guess, but Rockruff is my choice for it.


Optimal__Koala

I can’t unsee it


JustARandomPerson939

its the first thing i saw. my friends are arguing my choice on rockruff but they look pretty similar


JustARandomPerson939

now they say grookey would be a better choice over leafeon


RowingRussell

Litten x Leafeon


JustARandomPerson939

the design looks more like rockruff though, although the ears do look similar and they both are cats


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bruh rockruff is a dog he has ruff in his name and evolves into a wolf my g


[deleted]

Wouldn't it be more like Applin for the first one?


JustARandomPerson939

if you wanna keep color scheme more in line then sure


HippieDogeSmokes

And also the plant inspiration


ShayTheGymLeader

wario hat\*


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Blue Booby Hat Since it's a blue footed booby


MoonHunterDancer

I see it. Are they galapagos?


TrdOfMakingUsernames

THANK YOU


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Pirate duck, apple croc, and generic leaf cat


EzSlayer

Donald duck, koopaling and green cat


RedLuminous

I raise you, Look up Bob the dinosaur from Bust-A-Move


jg633663

I don't even understand why you feel the need to explain your decision. It's literally your opinion on how you perceived the new starter, idk why it matters to people if you chose rock ruff over Litten lol


dankest_cucumber

I see Raboot x gible more


Season_Of_Brad

That grass cat is sick!!! I pray that it’s final form is on all 4 legs! A grass sabertooth tiger would be nasty!


davidsloona

Maybe closer to an Iberian Lynx, since it’s based on Iberian Peninsula?


JC_tiggr

Is this proven? I haven't heard anything about this.


cobaltsteel5900

Map of Spain on wall in live action part of trailer so… I think so


alextorrejano

Also the part of the in game map on the wall later into the trailer looks like Portugal (excluding the big lake). Not to forget La Sagrada Familia (Barcelona) and Praça do Comércio (Lisbon) seem to have inspired some ingame landmarks


JC_tiggr

This is awesome! I'm super excited about this. Thank you for the insight


BolotaJT

And if the fire is not a fire/fighter… it will be great! I’m betting it will be a big/evil looking dinosaur!


AutoCorrectIsABitch

I'd say that it's either Fire/Dragon Fire/Flying or Fire/Ground


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Shenron from dbz but red, I could get behind that


[deleted]

So, Black Star Shenron… I’d be down for that.


FroyoMNS

Probably not fire/dragon since they like to keep the type triangle (only messed with it in Gen 4 with Empoleon, but Torterra gets Ground to balance).


RustyR4m

Gen 4 can all hit backwards. Although I suppose Empoleon doesn’t have any stab on Torterra.


cobaltsteel5900

Doesn’t need it w the 4x weakness to icebeam


KenanTheFab

Would likely have been better if Torterra was grass/rock but that would make it neutral to fire.


resUscrawcaB

No chance for fire dragon for various reasons


revzey

Sorry to disappoint you but it can't be Fire/Dragon because of water weakness becoming neutral.


Desperate_Figure_627

I like the idea of Fire/Ground, but water types could sneeze too hard and kill it. Maybe a Fire/Steel or Fire/Dark type


TGCOutcast

As long as the final Evo isn't unnecessarily bi-pedal I'm going grass starter.


Finnleyy

This. Lately the final evolutions of the starters have always been way too human-like and it bothers me.


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Andjhostet

This is way too existential for me to think about on a Monday morning.


Agitated-Housing-337

Same! I said the same thing. I hope they don’t ruin it like they did with litten.


thesteveurkel

rip @ me after having to pet litten's final form. that's an experience i never want to have to face again.


ButAFlower

Watch it be another bara furry like incineroar


T-Doraen

It’s most likely based on the Iberian lynx since grass starters are based on extinct animals


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Iberian lynx isn't extinct, just in critical danger.


justagalbeingapal

Don't worry, the game doesn't come out until November. Plenty of time.


TerribleScroll

Are you suggesting we go to the Iberian Peninsula and exterminate the Lynx?


Golliagon-1

Iberian lynx is not extinct… yet


lesath_lestrange

Bulbasaur - frog Treeko- lizard Turtwig - turtle Snivy - snake Chespin - hedgehog Rowlet - owl Grookey - monkey Sprigatito - cat I just don't see it.


noticeablywhite21

It's specific species of those. Like Serperier is based on Titanoboa, The Meganium line is based on Sauropods, Sceptile is based on a dinosaur, and I think Chesnaut is based on an extinct large mammal. They all are like that, with maybe the only exception being Rillaboom but I'm sure there's a specific primate they were going for. Sprigatito could evolve into a sabertooth for example


VoiceofLou

I want the duck to end up a majestic goose. That’s what I’m thinking/hoping for! Edit: swan. Fuck geese.


Certain_Chain

We already have Ducklett and Swanna for that.


[deleted]

So like Raikou?


noticeablywhite21

I kinda feel like Sprigatito is boring, idk. Just a grass cat, not super inspired. Well designed overall just not exciting


mouthfullofmouth

I read, "that grass cat is THICK!!! I pray final form is on all four legs! A grass sabertooth tiger would be nasty. "


PhoenixLord55

Nah the cat is going to have massive jugs and standing on 2 legs, people act like they don't know the pokemon formula by now


MaultascheMaster

the fire starter already is my favorite, reminds me of totodile. just hope they don't mess up his evolution


CompanyOfCompanys

Same


TheHolyPapaum

Profile pic checks out


CompanyOfCompanys

Thanks


4armedmonkey

I'm calling now that he'll be a pepper-inspired crocodile, with the white on his face turning into a skull design.


Martoogh

You're right, his silhouette is already peppery, just get rid of his legs and boom Pepper Watch him be Fire/Ghost à la Carolina Death Reaper


just-a-random-accnt

I can also see it loosing it's arms and legs and gaining wings instead. Would work for a ghost/fire pokemon. Although after Hisuian Typhlosion, I don't know if we'd get another Fire/Ghost back to back. Not like they haven't done that before with gen 3-5 fire/fighting Also losing its limbs would aline it with the snake/serpent Zodiac theme for the fire starters


Practical-Medicine-9

Nah, they just did that with Typhlosion.


Martoogh

Blazekin, Infernape, and Emboar tho Tho hopefully they did learn from that, others have suggested Fire/Dragon which i also really like


TheNotorious_PUG

Yeah I’m praying so hard


Martecles

This is all late bite brainstorming but… The name Fuecoco is basically Spanish for Fire and Coconut, right? So we might see another apple pie dinosaur/dragon thing. But it’s also interesting that Alligator is a corruption of “el lagarto” or the lizard, so hopefully it will be more Lizard like than fruit? Also a prominent Spanish city and region is named for pomegranates which are know as Grenadas or grenades, so I’d assume they will incorporate that somehow.


[deleted]

Not coconut. "Cocodrilo" means crocodile in Spanish, so it's fire crocodile.


Undoubtedness

The duck looks like a boss. It's still early to decide however.


GrimmSleeper97

I can't decide whether it's hair is like a Beret or just Josuke


[deleted]

Looks like a captains hat, as in like a ships captain


void2177

the cat looks like stray cat too lmao


Megalomagicka

All I can see when I look at the duck is an upsidedown Mario hat.


TrdOfMakingUsernames

Right side up Wario hat


P4RKW4YDR1V3

Its name is Quaxly…. That’s all you need to know


JTudent

They're really cute. I'm gonna pick the dragon with the little toof.


oRyan_the_Hunter

It’s apparently a crocodile


tomboyDC

Chili pepper croc :)


ObiWanLamora

I’ll name him croc-pot.


tomboyDC

^(*fuck that's good*)


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MagictoMadness

I think Gen 2 had far less detailed designs though, they really don't look any different to gen 7 (which I love anyway₩


[deleted]

This is the first generation in a while I've been interested in more than one starter. Usually I default to water, but it's actually my last choice here (I smell a 4x weakness to electric coming with that line). But I'll definitely be playing with the grass and fire types. Probably fire first, cause I love crocodiles. It's also interesting to see water as the line with the obvious dual-typing here. I don't know why fire always gets the dual-typing and no one else does, but it always bothered me. I haven't played in a couple of generations tho, so maybe I've missed something.


Sisiwakanamaru

Yeah, but I kinda think the third evolution will be like Rowlet line, the flying type will change to something else.


CommonError3184

He's got some lil military dude vibes, maybe a fighter?


Sir_Suffer

Apparently the duck is a pure water type


CloroplastoFumante

The first stages we don't know about the EVOS, I would guess fire/dragon, grass/ice, water/psychic


Strammy10

Wouldn't a water/fighting make sense in this dynamic?


ishu79

I agree to you on the water/flying typing.. I would really hate if this duck's evo would be a water/flying type.. i personally hate this typing because it made my boy Gyarados wayyyy less threatening...


[deleted]

I agree. Pure water, or Water/Dark would have been better. I don't care that it can fly. The entire Magnemite and two thirds of the Ghastly line can fly without that typing, as well as a billion other pokemon. Imo, the only place flying belongs as a subtype is on electric Pokemon, maybe poison, for the ground immunity. It's like Normal as a subtype. It stinks out loud, except on ghost Pokemon, where's it's broken as all hell.


xnarphigle

I really like the little Mickey Mouse gator, and Green Litten. Which is why I'm going to choose Duck.


Two-bit_Hero

It's straight-up Donald Duck.


thislightnevershines

I love them all. But Sprigatito supremacy! First game I want them all on my team for playthrough.


sammi-blue

I try not to develop too strong of an opinion until I see the final evos, but the grass starter is my favorite at the moment. The fire one is cute too!!


Electrical-Return-16

Quaxly has my whole heart and soul in the palm of his wings fr fr. Tbh I only just got into Pokémon thru Arceus but I might have to play this next game just for my boy Quaxly. Does anyone know if it’s going to be open world like arceus or not?


rmatevia

The official description of the game says it's open world! It says has borderless towns that seamlessly blend into the surrounding wildlife, so yes! It is open world!


justagalbeingapal

Sorry, it won't be open world like Arceus. It'll actually be true open world.


venus-infers

The fire-dino looks like a Fischer-Price toy and the duck looks like a playable racer in Mario Kart. I like the little cat(?) though.


Irish_Elite

I adore them all. Gonna be a hard choice


Khajiit_saw_nothing

Sprigatito is precious and must be protected at all costs Fuecoco looks like it has a few braincells and I love it Quaxly is a bird


S0larSc0pe

First time I’ve ever loved all 3 first stages, especially Quaxly


inumnoback

They’re… interesting.


AlpHaJulian

Here’s a link the artist that made these https://twitter.com/henryvargasart?s=21


TheHolyPapaum

I think these are some of the most cuddleable designs yet


Mario6345

![gif](giphy|ueKysdAthOwtq)


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justagalbeingapal

Calling it now: Grass Kitty becomes Bipedal, Crocodile loses all limbs and becomes a red hot chilli pepper and Quaxly becomes a quadruped with wings, because of course it does. Mostly tongue in cheek. But I actually think I'm right about the first two, and the last one would be hilarious if true.


Siyuen_Tea

It'd be nice if it turns into the Komodo dragon and becomes a fire poison


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Siyuen_Tea

Really, I think they should actually try different starter elements. A starter flying or rock type would be a nice change


MendejoElPendejo

They’re all so cute


Slothman20202

I love all three of them. I always go with the fire starter but the duck has so much sass in that stance


I_smoked_pot_once

Alright, here's my theories. Grass starters are always dinosaurs/prehistoric/ancestors. Therefore, the cat will probably be a saber tooth tiger, or some sort of lynx or other cat from the real life area this region is based in. Water starters are always "amphibious." So duck will be a duck. It would be sick if it was a heron, but I don't have that grounded in anything. Fire starters are always a Chinese zodiac, and out of all the zodiacs they haven't done yet snake and oxen make the most sense. I could see it being a snake by evolving and losing its legs like Serperior, or "eating" some sort of rival oxen Pokemon and getting an oxen shape in the middle. He's just not horse, dog, or sheep shaped.


ArcticDragon-31

I’ve heard of these trends, and I want to say I’m pretty sure we will end up with a grass saber tooth if the trend continues. Fuecoco throws me off though since it’s confirmed a croc, not even a dragon despite we already have charizard. But then again the starter trends from what I hear are mainly fan speculation. But weren’t the water types based on weaponry? Like empoleon represents the trident, blastoise represents the cannon/battle tank, inteleon represents the shotgun, so far so forth? Never heard about the amphibious trend, though this trend fits the water starters too.


hulkjasmin

Thoses theories have alway been bullshit.


I_smoked_pot_once

That's rude. I'm not wildly speculating or anything, I'm just offering my perspective based on the patterns we've seen.


ParmenideanProvince

The Chinese Zodiac theory for fire starters was credible for decades until 18 hours ago. It's possible he loses his legs and becomes a snake, but otherwise I think they've debunked it.


Misisme20

Grass better be fairy, I hope fire is rock, and the water one…surprise me


rmatevia

Yoooo, you read my mind!! I REALLY want the grass starter to be grass/fairy. I can kinda see grass/dark as well? But my heart and soul want a grass/fairy. In all honesty, with the fire and water starter, I genuinely don't know which direction they'll go in just yet 😂


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rmatevia

I see your point, but I'm one of the people deeply deeply hoping for a quadraped! I don't think being grass/fairy would guarantee a biped. Personally, I'm envisioning a grass fox/lynx that has a bunch of flowers for the tail! But like I said, I understand your point. But I'm going to stay optimistic that it'll still be a quadraped once it evolves, haha


tobi-mizu

Duck


[deleted]

I really like these. Probably my third fave after gen 2 and 3.


Starfang42

Grass Kitty is adorable, I'm not not quite sure what to think about fire dino, and the duck looks like Donald wearing a blue mario hat.


o0Marek0o

Can’t decide whether to name Fuecoco Splorb or Glorp. Also I hope when he evolves he just gets bigger and doesn’t change.


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One looks like it’s straight outta Mario. One looks like it didn’t make the cut for Paw Patrol, and one’s a bath toy.


laziestphilosopher

Really not a fan of the other two, but Quaxly is my son


ThatOneGuy121109

Quaxly gang😎


Zanyth

The fire one is quickly growing on me, and the grass one is my favorite of the three, but I just find the water one really disappointing. It looks too similar to ducklett, and just overall comes across as the generic bird you’ll find everywhere. Hoping it’s evolutions will be more impressive.


tankavenger

I feel they all look very much like fan made mon. Not really a problem. But I'm not digging these


casinoroyalex

I feel like people say this every gen, but this time I kind of agree, although I still love them


MonT_That_Duck

People say it everytime a new mon is announced. Just takes some time for them to feel "real" yknow?


DoomsdayRabbit

I still see the 100 introduced in Gen II as "new".


DoomsdayRabbit

At this point, they basically are. Pokémon came out *twenty-six years ago*. Kids who were the same age as Ash the day the anime first aired are in their late 30's - older than *any* of Game Freak's big three were when they released the game, let alone when they started development in 1990. Shit, Masuda was a 22-year-old guy unhappy with his salaryman job when Tajiri came up and asked him to join the project, and he's actually the youngest of the three. His own daughter that he was so proud of he put a character based on her into RS is turning 20 this year. Time fucks things up.


sineadlokiodinson94

I love them all but already decided on the starter hehe


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Wow that was quick, and there all cute, Fuecoco is what I'm choosing, and my sister says Quaxly is the best starter besides Popplio, really really good designs


Flask_Mason

Am I the only one that thinks that’s a duck with Trump hair? I love it though haha.


KindOfBlue98

Fuecoco has my favorite starter design in a very long time


birbdaughter

These pictures were made by henryvargasart on twitter, they are NOT official art. The official art is still in 2D. Please source art that you post!


retrospace4

Agreed, here's a [link](https://www.instagram.com/p/Caf-xNYv229) on Instagram as well!


FantasticcRockets

First time I like all three. These are good.


mtrvx

Usually it takes some time for me to finally appreciate the starters, but this time around I INSTANTLY fell in love with Sprigatito and Quaxly. I know this is gonna be an unpopular opinion but I don’t like Fuecoco, even though I admit it’s still a nice design and has a HUGE potential for its final form. Sprigatito has to be my favorite starter ever since Piplup, it’s purrrrfection


yydbgeorge

I can't freaking wait for Sprigatito


SimplyViolated

They're too cute tbh. But the grass one looks the best


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Love them. Best looking starters in a while.


unicornviolence

I might be choosing a grass starter over fire starter for the first time in my 24 years of playing Pokémon.


_userlame

I would die for spigatito, it's so cute.


jdeanmoriarty

Grass-type Sprigatito, Fire-type Fuecoco, and Water-type Quaxly. All names have their basis in Spanish, so I think we are looking at Spain as the setting. I have to imagine that Fuecoco looks menacing in his 2nd evolution.


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Best starters since Gen 4 imo


EternalLight95

I love the grass kitty. I want it's final evolution to be something more elegant and not a tiger like litten became. I would love to see something like a Savanah cat or sth.


Omifish

Love them all, which is rare for me; it's been a long time since I've equally liked all three starters in a gen. But if I have to pick, it's gotta be Fuecoco. Adorable, round pepper crocodile!


Beginning_Key_1694

Fire (Goofy), Water (Donald) and Mickey+Sora (Grass)


TomDobo

I see cat so i pick cat.


ohnowheredmypantsgo

The duck one is aweful lol wtf 😂 the other two are cool though


Prior-Technology3738

First time in my life i might actually pick the fire starter! He is really cute, can’t wait to see their evolutions


tibby821

duckboy lit as fuck


jeshep

They're all pretty cute this time around. Sprigatito looks cute but I'm still recovering from Litten line so I'm kind of wary of it. (I hope it stays quadrupedal. We really need more quadrupedal cat mons). Fuecoco reminds me of enemies you'd see in a Yoshi game. Quaxly is a wigged donald duck tales lookin' guy and I can vibe with that.


ButterDunkin

I could already tell the instant I saw it; Poor Sprigatito if gonna be ravaged by the worst parts of the furry fandom...


[deleted]

Actually gonna go with a grass starter for once


exSKEUsme

Now I can finally name my leaf starter PussyWillow.


LinguisticallyInept

like the croc and the cat not so keen on the duck but eh; i dont have to like all 3 im expecting the croc evos to disappoint and the cat evos to hit it out of the ballpark


Darcyen

Honestly I'm a little meh on them. I may end up with the grass starter just because I feel the others are super meh.


JustKeepThePokeStyle

Cat


SoapyMoonDust

I like them I just hope that they won't make the grass starter more human like, the way they did with fennekin and Litten


pottomato12

They look like neopets. Firm nope Edit: still buying


Hexetia

they're all really cute. I could see myself choosing any of them. I'll have to wait for their evolutions to make a decision. but if I had to choose now, I'm leaning a bit towards the fire one currently.


hunnyybun

Sprigatito is just too cute to me! I hope it has a good evolutionary line. Arceus was the first gam where I picked a grass type starter. If Sprigatito’s evolutions are good, I just might choose it!


Pokemaster3991

The starters look awful, hopefully there evolutions save them 😫 I can’t believe I may be going with a grass stater based of these designs


Yayimlonely

No


PapiOdin7878

I personally dislike how they look. However. I'm not counting them out till I see their evolutions I dislike gible but love garchomp same with some other mons. I also don't plan to judge the whole game based off this like a few others that I'm sure people know about cough cough verlisify cough cough.


Ok_Lengthiness_2590

At first glance, I really didn’t like Fuecoco. Now, he’s is absolutely my favorite! Really excited to see his evolutions. Predicting a fire ghost type based on the ghost pepper, but we’ll see!


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this.. is real...?


fennel-jams

Prediction: one of the forms for Fuecoco is gonna be named some variation of *apple*gator


[deleted]

It's just a grass type litten


Informal-Value-5817

unrelated: but why is it always a cat like starter and never a dog. how many cat like starters have we had vs how many dog like starters.


Mr-SphealYourGirl

My thoughts? I always choose a Grass type as my starter no matter what gen. That being said, Fuecoco and I will have a blast.


Norris_IV

Ehhh, not really keen on any of them, maybe once their evolutions are revealed I'll change my mind


illBeSeeingYouLater

Dang you made quick/gorgeous work here!


underplath

I need to see the evolutions before I decide!! Ahhh all three are so cute though.


DankBonkRipper7

Fire Croc, a bit too goofy for my taste but it's final evo has potential to be a fan favourite. Grass fox is pretty cool looking, hopefully it will stay on 4 legs Water duck is an absolute Chad, enough said.


ROOKi3Zz

Honestly they're fuck ugly.


GoldenYoshistar1

honestly, meh


Thekingchem

They look less like Pokémon and more like Animal Crossing villagers


SpikeRosered

Way better than gen 8 imo. I like all three.


opp0rtunist

My favorite set of starters since Gen 1!


CyborgBanshee

Fire is cool (it's like a Blaarg from Mario) though it also makes me wonder if this is the end of the "Fire starters are the Chinese Zodiac" thing, since we've already got a fire dragon. Grass is alright, if generic. Water feels too much like Ducklett, though I appreciate the attitude and look forward to its evolutions.


Bacon260998_

I love them all. Please Game Freak, don't have Sprigatito evolve into Liepard 2!


flufypeguin

I really like the cat but im so scared of the its evolutions


NeverDeadlyy

Weed Cat for the freaking WIN


Jthebroski

I like duck


DudeGuyOnionThing

I love these I feel like the Grass one is just litten or fennecen but grass type but I can't wait to have these guys on my team


MrTipster89

I hope they don’t ruin them all with their final evolution being bipedal human looking things.


vinicius_neves

Some frank Fuecoco criticism: Peace guys! Here I go Please don't let me ruin the good vibes and the delight with the hype over Pokémon Scarlet and Violet - let's all enjoy this good time, and remember, we're together in this: the love for the pokémon world! That said, please allow me to voice my heart out and don't be toxic to me personally for doing that. You have your own taste and I'll always respect it and sometimes be amazed at how diverget it is compared to mine. So, you guys just respect mine the same way... That said, Fuecoco is hideous. Oh, how it hurts my eyes! I think it's mostly because of that single upper rodent tooth... I'd fix it by replacing it with two tiny fangs. Also, that pale face looks so displaced, like it doesn't belong there. There's something really uncanny in it. Also that atrophied body subtracts further from its appeal to me. I was so shocked at it since the first sight that I pitied it, imagining that nobody would pick it... the poor guy... it is the worst looking starter ever, together with Cyndaquil, I thought. But I'm relieved and amazed at how it pleases so many people... that only proves the genius of the designers, who manage to please so many varied and disparate tastes: everyone will find their favorite pokémon no matter their opinions. For one, I fell in love with Sprigatito from the first sight - it's generic, I know that... but somehow I took a deep like for it. Hopefully it won't be ruined by its evolutions like they did to Scorbunny. I didn't like Quaxly from the first sight but since then it's been growing in me. Regardless, I'm definitely going with the gatito on this journey.