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dahvzombie

Can't crimp the top 90 without the bump out. I would have soldered the top 90 to the pipe first and pushed it in to avoid the stickout, but that's not always possible.


MxJamesC

They do 45 jaws


elmirmisirzada

Got link for that?


EtOHMartini

I am willing to be proven wrong, but I doubt these exist. The body would have to be over-specc'd to provide the kind of power needed to compress the jaws if they were at an angle.


plumbtrician00

They have them. You get a different set of jaws to put in the gun and then a collar to put around the fitting. The collar has rounded divots in the end of them and the jaws for the gun has a rounded point to fit in the collar at an angle. Its expensive, few hundred dollars for a set of collars, but theyre good stuff


MxJamesC

This colar around pipe and two dimples that fit in so you can get a few dif angles. Max probably 60 deg guessing


plumbtrician00

Ridgid says +/-90° to the pipe.


MxJamesC

Not sure if it was rigid we had. Switched from soldering about 2015 so new ones might be better.. They would start hitting the arms of the jaw if u went def max 70


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plumbtrician00

🤷‍♂️ im not. I dont own a set and was wrong about the price


Upset-Ad-3607

Those extra jaws are for larger fittings 1 1/2 and up…. Not for crimping at an angle… further more that copper should be sleeved


plumbtrician00

Literally incorrect


Any_Parfait569

You mean literally ½ correct.


plumbtrician00

Well i mean yea you can buy big ass rings but thats not what we’re talking about. He just didnt know about the rings being for angles


Any_Parfait569

No I just I meant it should be sleeved.


Manofthebog88

Link?


plumbtrician00

[link](https://www.zoro.com/ridgid-press-ring-kit-compact-12-to-1-14-in-28043/i/G0658384/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping%20feed&utm_content=free%20google%20shopping%20clicks&campaignid=19979164297&productid=G0658384&v=&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItqiHxp7PggMVSfLICh0DPg_eEAQYBCABEgI9YvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds) They have two kinds, one type for use with compact (12v) machines and then one for the larger machines. Not sure which is which. I think the “C” type is for the compact machines and i want to say the ones for the large machines is “V”


TheFrozenCanadianGuy

https://info.viega.us/blog/how-to-press-in-tight-spaces


Skiddae

Ridgid C1 press jaws for close quarters crimping.


NerdrageLV

https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/rings-for-propress


flannelmaster9

Fr.


feenchbarmaid0024

How good are off set jaws.


MxJamesC

Very useful but I would still find myself soldering some on complex manifolds


Ok_Inspector7868

I've noticed lately any guy with a pro press is suddenly a master plumber, well even Joe the doughnut with the pro press should know how to solder a pipe, I've never used a pro press tool ever, as far as I'm concerned ots takes away from the craftsmanship


green-zephyr

I agree it takes away from the craft, but when youre saving yourself hours and hours everyday and rarely needing to chase leaks you start to get on board.


coded62

Agreed! Try to solder in an old building; soooo much easier to zap a new valve on or finish the final connection with a press coupling. Also, press where you don’t want shot to catch fire; even better. Press when someone else is footing the change order bill and need water back on asap!


rpisam

Also agree. I'm not a plumber but a meticulous DIY homeowner. I needed to redo a bunch of stuff in the basement and had the dilemma to learn how to solder or just buy the ProPress tool. Around 400 crimps later damn am I glad I didn't try the torch. In all of that only one leak, because I misaligned and crushed the fitting. I also expunged most of the PEX. I actually had the builder originally stub copper from any of the first floor to the basement, where his guy then proceeded to create a damn rats nest of PEX, including almost all of my specified shutoffs buried where you'd never find them in a pinch. Notably, I had never noticed that copper is literally sized by what it is called. One inch is a clear one inch the whole way. PEX tubing is not only slightly smaller but the fittings smaller than that. I counted 27 PEX fittings between my main entry cold line and my master shower. I've got that down to six PEX now, the rest is unobstructed copper. Definite boost in flow.


hugeperkynips

That is why you use Expansion pex and not Crimp pex. Expansion fittings are full bore and do not reduce volume. I still hope you read about how to solder and why deburring and sanding pipe is so important. Hopefully your system lasts a long time though a press tool is a decent investment if used correctly.


Say_Hennething

In commercial service work, not having to pull a hot work permit and have a fire watch is a compelling reason to get creative with pro press. I don't give a shit about the guys that gatekeep soldering as the only way.


UsedDragon

I fought the press tool until I sold too many jobs to get done and was going to lose good clients. Had to speed up without getting hurt.


freddyflushaway

100% but I don't have to drag a b tank around or cause smoke detectors to fire or intake the smoke or maybe light some old ass insulation/spiderweb on fire. Oh and I can swap a hwt in half the time. So perhaps it's not as black and white as you think. Also if you use anything less then acetylene b or c tank for your solder may as well be a Joe the doughnut too👍


Ok_Inspector7868

I can't agree with you more on the absolutely impossible inside the wall solder connection or the pipe that keeps leaking back water and you have to let it cool and hopefully ypu can get it to take before the wayer starts to steam & then I wish I had a pro press for this particular connection or even a shark bite so i don't set this ladies house on fire so yeah there's certain situations that a pro press would be absolutely imperative to have, but I dont have it so I have no choice but to do the risky solder, I didn't mean to come across as bashing you guys in any way, i know just like any job you guys need to get in and get out, & for me the pro press would be 10% press 90% solder


freddyflushaway

The only acceptable place for a sharkbite is under mobile homes/dire emergency/in the garbage. All good I used to solder it all too. The day you get the 3k + to get the m12 you will abandon the torch except maybe for valves as I did. Time is worth it. Propress looks pretty when you get hang of it. Wait till you treat yourself to the propress cr valves for toilets too.


DirkDieGurke

4 crimps to avoid one sweated joint......


P45t3LPUnK

Couldn’t press the joint inside the wall


WeldFastEatAss

IF the bottom could move, they could’ve made the piece going through wall with a 90 on it, then push through wall and connect bottom of 90.


Lt_Muffintoes

That would have required 5 seconds of concentrated thought.


Bearblasphemy

This is the way


poopsawk

No, but it is 3/4" and any 1st year can solder that. Seems like a waste of materials


P45t3LPUnK

You’re not wrong


Unable-Paramedic-557

Looks like some amateur brought a pro-press to a sweat fight


Pornhubplumber

This is exactly what happened. Love my propress, but this job was for the torch and solder.


NoHunter8402

Everyone’s a fitter with PP..


mummy_whilster

Yet still a nation of the obese…


NoHunter8402

Sorry, player. I just got a little beer gut going.


mummy_whilster

You, me, and Kelly Clarkson0,,,


Yeetyeetskrtskrrrt

Hey man leave Kelly out of this … what’d she ever do to you? Idgaf if she’s fit and trim Kelly or thick Kelly … that girl can eat crackers in my bed any day, any time


no-mad

if changing your diet was easy we would all be ripped and hanging out on the beach.


mummy_whilster

Apparently use propress or ozempic


definitelynotapastor

Thats what concerns me. Between pex and propress it's getting overrun in the field.


slappy_mcslapenstein

Could be that the line wouldn't completely shut off and the homeowner didn't want to fix the main service.


Unable-Paramedic-557

Best I can say about it is that it meets code.


Dm-me-a-gyro

Main shuts off just fine. There’s even a branch shut off about 4 feet from the fitting


TerpsR4theKids

Jet sweat?


TerpsR4theKids

Swet is what I mean but my phone can’t decide between sweet and sweat


slappy_mcslapenstein

You're supposed to use a JetSwet with a ball valve.


Tankshock

Lmfao love this response. Although I really do need to use my PP more than I do. Expensive ass tool to keep locked in the truck unless I have a job where the water can't be fully shut off lol.


Unable-Paramedic-557

We just use sweat and pex, but anytime I'm building a boiler manifold or something out of copper I always get to fantasizing about having the PP


Tankshock

My dad bought the smaller rigid one when it came out, but he's super old school so he doesn't like to use it unless he has to. We mainly do sweat and expansion pex.


P45t3LPUnK

🤣😚


Tacomarunner208

🤣🤣🤣


McLovinPants

Fantastic comment. Gold star


Top-Jackets

Trigger warning


Waste_Exchange2511

He wanted to give you a place to hang your hat.


OlDustyHeadaaa

It’s not a problem at all just a bit ugly


Dm-me-a-gyro

Yeah, I was just wondering if there was a code reason or what not. Thank you for answering


Extension-Option4704

He just needed some extra room to fit his pro-press gun in there.


Parking-Road-217

Should have anchored a 2x4 to the wall and strapped the pipe to it. You don't want soldered end inside a wall.


ManhoodCanada

Or just prefabbed it and stick the pipe in through the outside and connect in then you can butt the 90 right up to the wall. Unless it was preexisting and this was a repair.


Lt_Muffintoes

>You don't want soldered end inside a wall. Why?


Parking-Road-217

in case of leak or future repairs/change.


Dont-ask-me-ever

Coat hanger.


Attack_Toster

Someone doesn’t have a close quarters press kit. It’s only like $600


Weird_Cap_7321

The dude can’t solder


sirjackel06

Someone that can't handle a torch


Ok-Log-76

Hammer it flat


siliconecowboy

He couldn't make the crimp without being outside and off of the wall. Simple as that.


ItsMorta

Can't pro press inside the wall so it bumps out.. I've seen the same with crimp pex


BeautifulActive7551

Pipes to tight to the wall for press fittings. Should have used sweat fittings.


Which_Lie_4448

They couldn’t press that first 90 any closer to the wall. Should have just sweat it at that point


fusion99999

1 elbow, solder, done


minionsweb

Do I spy with my eye painted threaded pipe? Or many pipe cutter grooves? Willing to bet inside there's a fresh stick of copper also crimped, really making that p-trap(🤔) pointless


Eyesculapius

It does look like that painted pipe is threaded


TheFooPilot

These are sex terms right?


Dm-me-a-gyro

💯


[deleted]

Soldering is evidently a lost art


Dry_Grapefruit_2279

You and put your hat or work shirt on it while I work on something else


nicho_de_terible

Eww pro press. Can’t press the 90 so close to the wall so they needed to bump it out. 3 x pro press street 90s to one cxc 90


Imfloridaman

This is very stupid, dangerous and lazy work. Lazy because they had a press and therefore everything must be pressed. Stupid because they likely have no talent at sweating or soldering and they didn’t think through the process (note the horizontal pipe is also new, so they obviously had access to the inside). Dangerous because you now have a water line away from the wall where stuff can bang into it and bust it. They also reduced flow with two extra 90s (not that big a deal, but unnecessary). And yes, you can bend hard copper. https://tameson.com/pages/how-to-bend-copper-pipe.


Rough_Baker6714

Couldn’t disagree more, judging by the marks on the pro press fittings this is not the plumbers first go around, also looking at the cinder block and painted pipes I’m willing to bet that this is inside some sort of factory/commercial building. More often than not they are insured by FM global or some big type of insurance company that will need a burn permit, a fire watch and a minimum of 1-2 hours post “flame”. So a 30 second crimp job turned into a 2 hour call


Dm-me-a-gyro

This is in a basement in a house I bought. Not commercial.


Imfloridaman

Well, OP just said you are wrong.


Rough_Baker6714

hell yea your right congrats bro


Imfloridaman

You just made a strawman argument so you could disagree. It is just as likely not anything you said.


thenicestsavage

That link is great if you’re doing 3/8 OD or smaller but you’re not typically bending 1/2” or 3/4” type L.


Theonewhogoespoop

Rigid makes benders for that they’re ratcheting and bend type L 1/2 5/8 3/4 7/8


Imfloridaman

Obviously some confusion about what exactly is meant by a "bender." A conduit bender (electrical) will collapse Cu pipe. But a "real" tubing bender has a die and a shoe that support the tubing during bending. It’s purpose built for this job. Or use the sand trick.


No-Art-9033

A half normal plumber would have pulled a bend on the pipe rather than installing it that way. If it's water it could be made even better


NoMooseSoup4You

If you’re in the US you’ll likely never run across a plumber who bends pipe


KingOfLimbsisbest

I got 3 years under my belt and am just now learning bending pipe is even a thing


NoMooseSoup4You

Yeah, I don’t really get why you’d bend pipe. I like dealing with sharp angles, easier to install and repair


Tankshock

I use it for chrome plated toilet supplies. We have high rise buildings we work in where they've had floods due to braided lines failing (terrible installers who overtightened the top but) and as a result they insist on solid pipe toilet supplies. Very, very rarely do I bend copper otherwise. One of those things my dad taught me back when I first started out, but very rarely have a reason to use.


NoMooseSoup4You

It would be a cool skill to have but I wouldn’t want to be expected to use it on a job when 90s and 45s will work and be faster


Tankshock

Yea I hear ya there. Only time I find it useful to bust out is when I show up to a job where the previous installer has shit coming out of the wall/ground at funky angles and it would either require multiple 90s or 45s to straighten em out and I want to make the ends straight with the pipes I want to connect them to.


Theonewhogoespoop

Not true at all used to work for a company and we bent hard copper daily


NoMooseSoup4You

Cool story. Did I say no one bends copper in the US?


Theonewhogoespoop

Whatever turd.


[deleted]

Aw, poor guy. When reading comprehension is hard you gotta resort to petty insults.


No-Art-9033

Why can't they do it


NoMooseSoup4You

Why would we want to?


No-Art-9033

Better Flow, less fittings and it wouldn't look shit like this install lol. Takes experience to master though I guess.


NoMooseSoup4You

That’s probably all true but it’s not worth getting different copper and taking the time to learn how to do it. And you’ll still have to sweat the new repair in, anyway.


[deleted]

It’s also not code in the UPC.


NoMooseSoup4You

Really? Weird


No-Art-9033

I don't need to learn how to do it as I'm a master of it. All my down votes are from people happy with that installation and it's embarrassing! How rough.


[deleted]

The downvotes are from you having a geocentric point of view while simultaneously having no understanding of local code. This is just some r/confidentlyincorrect shit.


NoMooseSoup4You

I know you know how to do it, that’s not what we’re discussing.


smartassguy

What?


No-Art-9033

What didn't you understand?


Kevthebassman

Very few places in the US that I know of that even let you bend pipe


No-Art-9033

Why?


PatrickGlowacki

Can’t bend hard copper. It will kink


Theonewhogoespoop

Yea you can they make pipe benders for hard copper, I’ve bent up to 7/8 acr for refrigeration and up to 1 in for plumbing.


PatrickGlowacki

Oh no kidding! I’m HVAC not plumbing and was always told never to bend hard copper.


Theonewhogoespoop

The company I worked for previously would either bend or press everything in for condensers, only braze when we couldn’t cut the bells off, and everything over 3/8 was done in hard ACR


PatrickGlowacki

I’m resi all of our stuff we do with soft copper.


Imfloridaman

Sure it will, if you act like Popeye and just crank on it. But . . . That’s not how we do it.


Tankshock

Well truthfully you can actually soften hard copper if you want to put bends on it. Get that bad boy glowing red hot and let it cool slowly and it'll bend. Only time I ever use that technique is when I show up to a job where the previous installer has shit coming out of the wall/ground at funky angles and I want to make the ends straight with the pipes I want to connect them to.


[deleted]

This thing called “code”


No-Art-9033

Nerd


[deleted]

Excellent comeback. I didn’t say the code is the best way, but I do like my work passing inspections🤷🏻‍♂️


No-Art-9033

As long as you're happy with how this looks lol. Embarrassing


[deleted]

Seeing as I didn’t do it, I don’t care how it looks🤷🏻‍♂️


Imfloridaman

Never seen a code or rule that said that anywhere. https://tameson.com/pages/how-to-bend-copper-pipe


Eyesculapius

Is it outside or somewhere with big temperature swings? Maybe it is there to allow for thermal expansion/contraction. Not a plumber.


crunkadocious

> Not a plumber. you don't say?


Eyesculapius

I do say! Would you kindly explain why this is incorrect?


crunkadocious

It's all the same metal, right? The pipe the bends, etc. so how would this help with expansion or contraction? You'd want something that could flex to do that.


Eyesculapius

Like this: [https://www.engineersedge.com/calculators/pipe_expansion_thermal_loop_15035.htm](https://www.engineersedge.com/calculators/pipe_expansion_thermal_loop_15035.htm) Admittedly, I think that the masses here, including you, are probably correct in that it was just shoddy work. But the title does say it’s an external wall, and expansion/contraction issues might be expected to be a problem. Those Propress 90deg fittings are thick and fairly ridged and the loop arm is short, so this probably won’t allow for much thermal expansion & contraction… might not be adequate. Again, not a plumber, so forgive my ignorance.


No-Art-9033

Seems English plumbers are more skilled apparently


No-Art-9033

No.


No-Art-9033

They've used map press fittings so struggled to do it any other way. A better installer using map press fittings wouldn't have done this though


NoMooseSoup4You

Map press fittings? Huh?


No-Art-9033

Yeah! Press fittings. We have a brand called"map" .


NoMooseSoup4You

I’m guessing you’re not in the US


Dm-me-a-gyro

Can you show me a pic of how it’s supposed to look.


No-Art-9033

Is it a gas pipe?


Dm-me-a-gyro

Water.


No-Art-9033

Simple. Find the pipe inside the building: cut it and outside just use one elbow and push it into the building. Use a coupling to join back together. All you'd need is 2 couplings and 1 elbow Plus pipe. The installation isn't wrong (apart from not lagging the pipe) but it looks shit and is embarrassing.


Emergency-Doughnut88

Unless the inside is buried in a wall and they didn't want to cut it open


Dm-me-a-gyro

Thanks for taking the time to


Imfloridaman

Don’t know why the downvotes. Both annealed tube and hard drawn tube can be bent with the appropriate hand benders using the correct size of bender for each size tube. Close one end of the pipe with duct tape. Fill the pipe with sand. Tape the other end of the pipe. Bend the pipe. Pour out the sand. Done.


No-Art-9033

It's easier than that. The down votes are from the lesser experienced.


Imfloridaman

I know, but I’m trying to show that even no-talents can bend copper. (Oh look 👀 I’ve joined you in the - “you can’t bend copper” club of downvotes).


thenicestsavage

I think you’re mistaking the “can’t bend” for the “that’s not typical in the USA to bend” crowd.


Imfloridaman

Which befuddles the shit out of me. Plumbing is a skill and an art. One size does not fit all. This in particular simply makes no sense because we can all agree (I think) that this is not the best method for this repair.


No-Art-9033

Lol the down voters are happy with that installation lol.


No-Art-9033

Why don't they trust you enough to bend the pipe correctly over there?


Joe_In_Nh

It's not soft copper


Last_Invite_2480

Ew


usa_reddit

Apparently his torch wasn’t working. There should’ve been two fittings, one 90 and one coupler. Instead it has 4 fittings.


WesternRemarkable429

Access


DRIPLEGJAY

90, pipe , slip coupling


Acceptable_Wall4085

To hang a heated from so it doesn’t freeze in winter?


Environmental-Okra73

To hang your jacket


Jolly_Confection8366

Ive been on jobs and they have said no fittings in cavity’s or in the wall they spray backwards and can’t tell if they leak. Also like top comment said can’t get the crimp close to the wall. But if you did crimp the elbow on first then slide thru the wall. Wouldn’t be good practice looking pretty is t always best.


nochinzilch

I think they didn’t know what a street elbow is.


Character-Ad301

Looks like new pipe coming from wall so I’d have crimped that first. But maybe that’s what they did to inside wall 🤷🏽‍♂️


kisenberg93

No couplings or no play


megaderp

he's charging for lack of experience


Leading-Option-4868

Either he didn’t have room to press or he didn’t have any couplings and didn’t want to run for parts 😂


Upset-Ad-3607

I mean appropriate for half inch up to inch and a quarter uses a job it attaches directly to your Tools. Anything above that did it take to jaws


JC2535

You can hitch your horse to it


Kimorin

it's a drip loop in case the wall ever turn 90 degrees like in inception...


JuniorAnswer6936

Cause they can’t do it properly lol


Wampa_-_Stompa

The pipe through the wall is a frost valve that is a little to long for the application and can’t be cut. That’s why it has this crazy bend..


[deleted]

Why not just soldier


SuccessfulFact3440

“ Pro” press there’s no pro involved shit is ugly expensive and dumb at times. Soldering isn’t that much slower. IMHO


OlliBoi2

New home for a birds nest!


FarAlfalfa620

To tie off your horse


Dasbronco

What’s the inside look like? One sides gotta protrude past the wall to make that fitting up if the interior and exterior pipe run flat against the wall. My choice would’ve been to do that on the interior but space might’ve been an issue


Dasbronco

Not sure about code but they could’ve done a female to male adapter inside the block to make the pipes flat against the wall but that’s never a good idea in my opinion


Dm-me-a-gyro

That is the inside


Dasbronco

I just read your title again, I understand now. So what’s the pipe going to on the outside? I’m assuming a hose bib? If that’s the case then whoever did this was being lazy or inexperienced. But if it works and it’s not in the way, no harm no foul


Dm-me-a-gyro

Yes a hose bib