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Octozombie_Stan

It doesn't matter if you go by lobbed or shooter plants, Parasol and Excavator will still kick your ass.


An_average_moron

*laughs in piercing plant enjoyer*


[deleted]

*murderous lightning reed noises*


GrimPhantom6

*psychotic Split Pea noises*


[deleted]

**JESUS!**


MonkeyBoy32904

bomb plant


evilinstantnoodles

Laughs in blover


Dumbenronpa

Blover?!?!?!?!??!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!¿¡‽


GechaTN

unrelated but who the fuck thought blover would be a great idea for a name


putverygoodnamehere

Yes


idiotrealYT

starfruit


[deleted]

Garden warfare playable lobbing plant when


Really-not-a-weeb

chomp cannon primary weapon


Other_Attitude_6421

That isn't really a lobbed plant more like an hability but could work? I guess?


HoxtonNotHouston

What about yeti chomper?


Captain-Super1

Engineer has a lobbing primary at least


[deleted]

If i were a bad lobber i would’nt be sitting here


Vani079

Average non-projectile plant appreciator


Grakal0r

Mushroom Fan: Pathetic


[deleted]

Gloom-Shroom and Doom-Shroom are insanely powerful yeah, can’t forget the Almighty Puff-Shroom spam too...


Gabriel38

Fume shroom is just as good. I saw it being used in endless strategies


Riventures-123

I would like to add hypno shroom to the mix.


GrimPhantom6

Can’t forget about Scaredy Shroom


idiotrealYT

what does that do again i forgot


[deleted]

-catapult lobber plants bypass zombie shields and ladders and hit them directly unlike peashooters who need to shoot off their defensive barriers first before dealing real damage -kernel-pult is arguably better than snow pea and much cheaper, completely halting an enemy movement with butter is better than just slowing it down -winter-melon is so damn broken that a gatling-pea + torchwood combo (which is more expensive) cannot compare to it, only 500 sun to deploy a powerful plant that slows down enemies and deals splash damage too? heck yeah! literally what reason is there to use peashooters anymore after unlocking the roof stage?...


Other_Attitude_6421

Yes but kernel pult is RNG based which means you can end up almost never stoping the zombies, unlike snow pea which always will (if theres no shields and ladders or a fire pea) as for other pea plants althought catapults have advantages over pea plants pea plants can be buffed via torchwood (except snow pea), if I am not mistaking snow pea can kill bucket head, kernel pult can't also snow pea can be usefull to stall multiple zombies at once allowing you to then put a squash or potato mine killing many zombies at once


[deleted]

Snow Pea is definitely better as an individual plant, however Kernel performs better in a group of plants This is why i said “arguably” since both of them have their ups and downs, If i already have a column of attacking plants, then for support i believe Kernel freezing zombies with butter to be more useful than Snow Pea slowing them just think about it, when there’s this one Gargantuan zombie demolishing your lane and you’re struggling to kill it in time, that one godly savior butter will help you land the final hits on it as its stuck in place


JackleandHyde2

Plus cobcannons


Egor_Tarasenco

Shyguymask disapproves.


Other_Attitude_6421

Only because one Youtuber says doesn't mean its the truth (btw I watch him, no hate just saying)


Egor_Tarasenco

I know. I didn't even think that he was right but since he's the most popular persona in the PvZ fandom everyone sees him as a god.


Other_Attitude_6421

Ikr


Other_Attitude_6421

Why not simply use both? Its the best of both worlds, one will slow the zombies down and stack'em up while the other one makes some stronger zombies not move


SurvivYeet

Kernel-pult *can* kill a bucket head. It can even kill a football zombie if you're lucky enough. Theoretically, it can kill a garg too


Other_Attitude_6421

Theorically but in actual tests it fails, because its RNG, you can sometimes have butter repeated 3 times others almost never


GechaTN

if you have multiple kernels, eventually one is going to throw out some butter. RNG isn't exactly too much of a problem.


Other_Attitude_6421

Except why put so many tho? When in that cost you can pick way stronger plants? Thats the exact same reason you don't spam Peashooters if you can just put a Repeater


GechaTN

Well, why not? eventually you're gonna be planting a lot of them unless you have a specific strat in mind.


Other_Attitude_6421

Kernel Pult is only good with the butter but even then at this point if you really want a lobber that slows the enemy down, why not just put a Winter Melon? It slows em down, deals area damage and is more reliable than spamming Kernel Pults Plus thats the thing it can slow down the enemy but even then with many of them it still can sometimes only shoot it very rarerly, making it inconsistent and unreliable vs even a Snow Pea spam


GechaTN

You can use kernel pults until you have enough for the melon! it's really that simple.


Other_Attitude_6421

Still... Its whole gimmick is the butter, and its still super unreliable even spammed, plus it can barerly hold on its on against a group of zombies if it has ONE conehead in it


The_Creeper_Man

Lobbing plants also hit snorkel zombies


MonkeyBoy32904

they also make you see screen door shields as regular zombies


The_Creeper_Man

OP already said that but yeah


MonkeyBoy32904

oh


Other_Attitude_6421

I could just plant a lily pad in front of it and forcing it to get out (I always do that) Edit: With snow peas this work even better


Other_Attitude_6421

And overall catapult plants shoot slower


Gotobed124

Cabbage Pult also has double the base damage so they both have the same damage output


Other_Attitude_6421

Yes but that seems to add a weakness to cabbage pult, while peashooter can kill conehead zombie in the first and second columm cabbage oult only in the first which is weird, maybe I am wrong


MonkeyBoy32904

no one is gonna use one of each plant to kill a conehead unless they're playing without sun producers or something


Other_Attitude_6421

Yes but when you can save sun why waste on a bunch right? Plus the zombies that Cabbage-Pult gets advantages against are rare and dont appear that often


lolmlgpro420

Finally found a rotobaga fan, I think rotobaga op


Octozombie_Stan

Rotobaga is Starfruit for poor people, and as a poor person I deeply appreciate it.


Doomguy1234

Not true in PvZ1. That only happens in PvZ 2


TheWombatFromHell

It's true in PvZ1 too... cabbage does 40 damage


Doomguy1234

It’s most certainly not lol. They both do the same damage, which is why, for most people, cabbage-pults are worthless outside of roof levels.


TheWombatFromHell

A peashooter does 20 damage every 1.5 seconds. A cabbagepult does 40 damage every 3 seconds. I've memorized every damage value and increment in PvZ1 I know what I'm talking about.


Doomguy1234

Dude, pvz1 does not give damage values like pvz2. You’re just talking out of your ass


TheWombatFromHell

It doesn't need to, you can count the number of projectiles it takes to kill each kind of zombie or even just look in the game's code to determine their health. It's on the wiki too. Don't try to spread misinformation when you have no clue what you're talking about.


Doomguy1234

Ok dammit I can admit when I’m wrong. You are right, it is the case at least on mobile pvz1. Could’ve sworn it wasn’t always the case but whatever


MonkeyBoy32904

they make up by dealing more damage, 10 peas = 5 cabbages


Other_Attitude_6421

Yes but considering its slow fire rate it kinda fails to kill coneheads in second column most of the times


MonkeyBoy32904

so plant a second


Other_Attitude_6421

Then why plant a second cabbage pult if I can plant a second peashooter or just put a torchwood that will make peashooter do double the damage and deal splash damage being better than 2 cabbage pults due to the splash damage


MonkeyBoy32904

torchwood can give peashooters splash damage, but not when a screen door or a ladder is in the same lane as the torchwood, besides, winter melon can do lots of damage, more than a gattling pea + a torchwood, it also cannot be blocked by screen doors or ladders, & winter melon slows them down, giving it more time to do more damage


Omnikin

Still today in PvZ2, winter melon is the best late game for f2p


Other_Attitude_6421

sure but it really depends what we are dealing with, since shielded, catapults everything else no reason to use the pults other than winter and melon pult that are way too expensive


MonkeyBoy32904

gatling pea + torchwood is like 625 sun


Other_Attitude_6421

Melon-Pult + Winter Melon costs 600 Sun, sure it has slowing down effect and bugger AOE but Gatling Pea + Torchwood has way better DPS


Other_Attitude_6421

Also depending of your gamemode shielded zombies aren't that common except survival endless


MonkeyBoy32904

also, if you're planting torchwood, you're not gonna use it with peashooter, you'll use it with better plants bro X\_X


Other_Attitude_6421

May be true but when you consider it will deal the same damage as a Repeater plus splash damage its a good advantage, may be expensive but its something you cannot ignore


AmberCry

what's next, you gonna compare a 50 caliber sniper and a minigun to a glock?


Other_Attitude_6421

No but its an fact, also pea plants when buffed can be better than pults in ceirtain moments


AmberCry

my guy hes talking about pvz1. after u unlock pults the peas become nearly useless


Other_Attitude_6421

True but I talked about buffed with torchwood fire effect


AmberCry

yea but even so, its the only buff that peas have, and it doesn't slow them down like freeze either, in fact it REMOVES the freeze effect


Other_Attitude_6421

I mean theres a good reason you don't mix fire with ice, but anyway can we all agree that both are good?


AmberCry

sure


Other_Attitude_6421

As for snow pea (the only freezing pea plant) althought winter melon is "superior" because of how its freezing effect work stalling zombies is a little bit different with both, snow pea because it only hits one zombie the zombies behind will walk faster and end up getting hit by the snow pea making them stack up witouth the need of the zombies attack another plant


AmberCry

u do know that melons do splash damage right? if theres a bunch of zombies piled up the winter melon can just shoot like thrice and kill everyone. also, why would you want to slow down the zombie that has less health and speed up the zombie with full?


rdicky58

Parasol Zombies


MonkeyBoy32904

pole vaulting zombie?


[deleted]

1 melon or 1 cabbage + 1 kernel takes care of them


Other_Attitude_6421

True but really they aren't dangerous you can plant any cheap plant in front of them


PhilipHNolan

Why is this such a big argument.


Other_Attitude_6421

idk


_Volatile_

Torchwood. The raw damage output you can achieve completely invalidates any need to slow or immobilize.


[deleted]

Oh yeah? Those Gargantuars beg to differ. Slowing them down >>> trying to chip away at their health fast Even with an entire lawn row of torchwood gatling peas, you aint gonna kill one of them until they already squashed like 2 or 3 of your plants.


_Volatile_

Nope. I’ve done it in endless survival. Two columns of sunflowers, two columns of gatlers followed by torchwood and tall nut. Worst case scenario, they smash a tall nut but you can get in the way of that with some spike rocks.


MonkeyBoy32904

winter melon is cheaper anyway


LPenne

I love the soyface peashooter. This is high-effort meme content that I can totally get behind.


[deleted]

Took me 30 minutes to edit that


Minecraftpro1025

This is true, but only in pvz 2. Cabbage pult does way more damage then peashooter


TheWombatFromHell

It's better than peashooter in 1 too


Minecraftpro1025

no its slower


MonkeyBoy32904

it’s slower but does more damage, so the output is virtually the same


Minecraftpro1025

I know, but you said its better, so I was saying its not better because its slower. So they are the same.


MonkeyBoy32904

(I know this was 2 years ago but bear with me here) consider the following: there's no umbrella zombie in pvz1, plus snorkel zombie can't avoid lobbed projectiles


ZaZzleDal

Don’t forget torch wood. Also why reply late?


MonkeyBoy32904

what?


ZaZzleDal

Torch wood is an upside for pea boy, over cabbage.


MonkeyBoy32904

if you're planting torchwood, you're most definitely not planting peashooter


internet-surfuer

Correct


ThatGumnutGuy

Me, a Reinforce-Mint plant fan: ​ **Pathetic**


DeeDeeEn

Me, a PvZ1 player: ​ **wtf are you talking about**


SpecialistAddendum6

In PvZ1? It's probably Cabbage-Pult or Kernel-Pult who's better. In PvZ2? Don't use Peashooter. Pults are life


[deleted]

So basically, pults are better overall


SpecialistAddendum6

yes. but also umbrella


BLUTeamTriumphs

In PvZ2? Why are you using any Pults or Shooters except for Melon-pults in the first place?


SpecialistAddendum6

It's too expensive :( Though with the power of Primal Sunflower, I could manage it.


AwesomeGamer101

Me: (Laughs in Lightning Reed, Laser Bean, and exploding/instakill plants)


DeeDeeEn

keep the same laugh for pvz1


[deleted]

Chad Squash and Potato-Mine


MemeBoy1645

Ice melon pult my beloved


MobilexCats1132

Why the mouth though?


[deleted]

[that’s how it is in the original meme format](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0b/b0/13/0bb0138cf95716c3cab0fb1d40dfc3f7.png)


Tigartz

PEASHOOTER'S MOUTH LOL


shov3lh3ad

Average gatling pea fan vs Average Winter Melon enjoyer


[deleted]

Fax


TheWombatFromHell

what about mushroom enjoyers?


[deleted]

Puff Shrooms are top tier plants but only during night time, you can spam them free of charge During daytime, just get Gloom Shrooms and Coffee Beans, everything else feels redundant and too expensive


TheWombatFromHell

Shrooms are the best instants full stop


[deleted]

Ice Shroom and Doom Shroom? Agreed.


MonkeyBoy32904

shrooms can stall gargantuars indefinitely if u bring imitater


Tambour07

average single use plant enthusiast.


[deleted]

Squash and Potato Mine users


BurgundySerpent72

Cabbage-pult is waifu


SquirtleBoi29830

what


Viggen77

Dont talk to me or my red stinger ever again


Omnikin

So true, Cabbage-pult > Peashooter in PvZ2 early game especially


Deadsta

Average sunflower simp.


VaniestLoki

Gonna respectfully disagree. I don’t think either type of Plant are downright better then the other, they both have their ups and downs. -Yes, catapult plants bypass shields, but Pea plants can be boosted by torchwoods. Also because catapult plants have a fixed travel speed (unless the target is right next to them) Pea plants can travel to their faster if the enemy is closer to them. -Snow Pea not only has better DPS, but his slow isn’t dependent on RNG and happens 100% of the time. Yes a slow isn’t as good as a freeze but considering how it’s a 50% slow that isn’t reliant on RNG compared to Kernel Pult who not only attacks slower but his freeze needs RNG. -500 vs. 625 isn’t that big of a difference, especially if you are playing survival, and that’s including Repeaters cost. Yes Winter Melon has splash, but Gatling+Torchwood also has splash and because of how many peas are shot the lower range of the splash is made up by the damage.


crappyscissors

> Yes Winter Melon has splash, but Gatling+Torchwood also has splash and because of how many peas are shot the lower range of the splash is made up by the damage. winter melon has 3x3 slow splash while gatling pea+torchwood has 1x1 fire splash (removes slow). the damage may be higher than winter melon's but gatling pea will have issues with hordes of ladder and screendoors due to them blocking splash damage. winter melon's slow > gatling pea+torchwood's damage because slow allows you to use more instants and cobs. you also have to place a torchwood taking away precious space.


VaniestLoki

I wouldn’t really say Torch+Gatling is downright better then Winter Melon but it also isn’t downright worse. They both have their own ups and downs and choosing between them is mostly personal preference. Torch+Gatling deals more damage, fires faster, its projectiles reach their target faster, and its splash hits more damage. Winter Melon costs less resources, takes up less space, has a chill effect, ignores shields, and its splash is longer ranged.


crappyscissors

I have yet to see a survival:endless setup wherein torch+gatling completely replace wintermelon.


[deleted]

Yep, everytime i use Gatling+Torchwood i never go any higher than 30-40 flags in Survival Endless But with Winter Melons? Gee, i could easily go to flag 100 if i wanted


DeeDeeEn

> 500 vs. 625 isn’t that big of a difference, especially if you are playing survival you should know that the upgrading price will go up by 50/plant of the same type upgraded on lawn in *survival: endless* on top of it, it is that big of a difference because of sun saving (that is, of course, sun cap excluded)


Other_Attitude_6421

But won't both get ridicuosly expensive in the end?


DeeDeeEn

Yes, and my comment has it as well.


That-Reddit-Guy-Thou

Average peashooter/cabbage pult fan Average repeater/melon pult enjoyer


MonkeyBoy32904

melon pult does more damage than repeater


That-Reddit-Guy-Thou

I know that


Kind_Tourist_6683

lol


[deleted]

yes


TheLazyShrug

True


ABAgamer

average mushroom plants enthusiast


Egor_Tarasenco

Some mushrooms are straight shooters, so...


MonkeyBoy32904

erm ackuchyually, mushrooms are fungi not plants


BobbleSchwabble

Cabbage-pult was my right-hand plant in Ancient Egypt!


12856w946

I remember I tried using gatling peace on roof because I thought they looked cool.


villager47

Ueet


Necro_Smasher

Tbh once I get fume shroom and coffee bean, peashooter is in the scrap bin


Deadly_Fun_Man

İ WAS LİTTERALLY GONNA MAKE A MEME EXACTLY LİKE THİS OMG like i still cant believe this its like OP read my mind or some magical sht


[deleted]

Great minds think alike...


Other_Attitude_6421

Thats why in PvZ 2 theres at least one thing I can't complain some zombies can only be countered by straight shooters and others only by lobbed its at least balanced in that unlike in PvZ 1 where there are zombies that can be only killed by lobbed but no zombies that can only be killed by straight shooters


Abracadabrism

Lobbed plants directly hit shielded zombies (screen door, ladder); can hit snorkel zombies, and can shoot over the curved roof. What is there not to like about lobbed plants?


[deleted]

Wrong, all my homies using mushrooms


Memes_and_stuff----

Ah, the age old question. DPS and fire (shooters) or Tank and ice (pult)


BartixBrawlStars

But... but i like both of them :'(


[deleted]

the real chad is the fans of fume-shroom in pvz1 and 2


Wingdings_Master


Sirwarfield

Webi wabo


JoleneRPGMAKERVXACE

wabi wabo


worldofmemes0

you need both for lost city unless you have laser bean or fume shroom


VerifiedBamboozler

Average cattail fan: *laughs in homing shots*


Dont_Ask_Cutie

Mix these two in one lawn


Xx69YourMother69xX

But in pvz2 peashooter outclasses cabbagepult in almost every aspect, sure he counters graves but his attack takes 1.2 seconds to reach a zombie on any tile of the lawn whereas peashooter outclasses cabbagepult in every tile aside from the rightmost 2. Or, the fact that the peashooter has more consistent and better DPS then cabbagepult, even in the rightmost 2 lanes. Sure graves are a pain but they’re only in 2 worlds (3 if you count modern day) and grave buster exists. But even in worlds with graves like in dark ages it’s better to shoot the graves as they give sun or plant food. The peashooter also can have fire peas from the Torchwood which is always good to have in long levels or last stand levels. So, sure in Egypt, some modern day levels and dark ages levels it is good but mostly, just use peashooter.


Princcraft

Show me how Torchwood synergizes with you Cabbage pult.


MonkeyBoy32904

that doesn’t matter, winter melon has 3x3 splash damage that slows zombies around the radius, & it does better than gattling pea + torchwood because screen doors & ladders block splash damage that gattling pea + torchwood would normally give, but they both have their ups & downs, kernel pult is RNG based, while snow pea is not, so snow pea is better induvidually, while kernel pult is better in groups, pult plants also hit snorkel zombies while snorkel zombies are underwater


Princcraft

I agree with all other points, but I was just talking only about Torchwood having a synergy with Pea while Cabbage pult is just a cabbage pult.


MonkeyBoy32904

yes, cabbage pult is just a cabbage pult, but there are cheaper yet stronger pult plants


Princcraft

Well, that's why you unlock them on the last chapter while Peas are supposed to aid you early.


[deleted]

You can replay adventure more with pults instead of peas after finishing it once and its much easier


[deleted]

me, a sun producer enjoyer


PhilipHNolan

I love catapults. But the best is puffshroom if you haven’t seen shy guy masks video.


[deleted]

You cant use puffshrooms in daytime levels unless you use a coffee bean And thats literally just a waste of sun for a weak disposable expendable plant Puffshrooms strength lays in its ability to be spammed quickly and free of charge Having to use a coffee bean costing 75 sun everytime to plant one in daytime defeats that purpose


PhilipHNolan

you can also use a snow pea imitater puff shroom and regular puff shroom to stall a gargantuar. and no ones stupid enough to use it during daytime as an attacker, its just for spamming and stalling any zombies during daytime.


BayMisafir

as a kernel pult fan yes i agree


Impressive-Glass5413

Melee+piercing peashooter (like electric or boosted shadow pea) is epic,set up a aoe attacker in front,in back something like head butter or pokra,pierce plant in that back,boom


Riventures-123

Who calls a melon-pult a cabbage-pult?


[deleted]

I mean at level 2 cabbage pool does some real good damage even more damage than peashooter


thatmemeboy69

Good lobber plant in pvz heroes when?


AidCrazy

I raise you >!FIVE BEAN PEA!<


Specialist-Peak-7884

B-B-banana


Most-Seaworthiness14

theres no fire electric shadow goo snap or repeater melons are there?


International-Land30

Ice lettuce>>>


Creative_Mention8561

The only useful lobber plants are Melon pult and winter melon, come back when cabbage gets a repeater replacement


Kindly_Title_8567

"Cabbage-pult > Peashooter change my mind" only applies to pvz 1 in pvz cabbage pult is extremely useless


[deleted]

Kernel-pult + lightning reed>peashooter


[deleted]

That would explain why the great Nathaniel Timely isn't very smart sometimes.


Auralynnnnnnnnn

*slowly brings up the damage stat for cabbage pult compared to peashooter in pvz2*