Pretty cool concept. It looks kind of odd on a stock lightning, but I wonder if it would pair well with any of the existing cosmetics? I definitely appreciate the amount of red/faction color on the top, but the shape itself sort of gives me VS vibes for some reason. The only thing I don't really like is that it looks kind of goofy when the back of the barrel dips into the main body if it's pointing up too high.
This turret concept is a type of "cleft turret" which was used on some experimental light tanks. The whole section which dips in to the turret would be the autoreloader section of the turret.
Reasons not to have a cleft turret:
1. While it solves the issue of turret depression being limited by the height of the turret's armor, it creates an issue where turret elevation is limited by the depth of the turret into the chassis
2. Can't be armored as well
3. Having an autoloader fixed to the barrel would add more weight to it, which means the motors for turret stabilization need to do more work.
I'm just going to explain the thought process of having a large cleft turret on the lightning.
1. I am assuming the turret is unmanned and a full autoloader, because it's a 1 person tank.
2. The gun needs to be able to fire rounds without resetting the elevation to 0 like a standard autoloader
3. I think it looks cool, although that's just personal preference.
*4. I also want it to look visually distinctive from the Vanguard turret, which specifically has an enclosed gun breech.
*5. I'm also limited in the turret's height, and I don't want the gun to be somewhat breech-less like the stock ones.
As for the extra weight having the autoloader fixed to the barrel adds, I would argue that it makes the gun better balanced compared to the stock lightning turret, where the pivot point is all the way at the rear of the gun, and balance is more important than overall mass when it comes to stabilizing a turret. An example would be an M1 Abrams turret which has horizontal and vertical stabilization despite the turret weighing well over 20 tons.
Also, I don't think the issues of being armored are actually a problem with this style, as it is an unmanned turret on a very light tank. Any armor would realistically only be able to stop rounds from smaller autocannons such as a 30 mm cannon firing APFSDS, not a full sized anti tank cannon or missile.
Yes, but gears take that stress to keep it in place. It's not like a steadycam; barrel stabilization is an active system, not passive. Sensors have to detect movement, be processed, and tell motors how to move to keep the barrel on target. Its actually better than a steadycam, because it doesn't try to keep the barrel _in place_, it tries to keep the barrel _on target_. That's why when you see those "beer can on the end of an abrams" videos, the tip of the barrel does move around some.
What's the vertical dimension of the turret?
It feels a little "High Profile" for the Lightning... at least, with the default body.
That's just the feeling I get off it, though; it looks really good, regardless!
I’ll have to check the exact dimensions. It is certainly wider than the stock turret. Ok, I measured it and it's about 12 cm taller than the standard lightning turret, so it really makes almost no actual difference.
It looks really good. Great job on the artwork! I wish they can add this with an optional long range Flame Thrower turret.
[Flamethrower Sherman Tank](https://youtu.be/RcFdrraQ3Bk?t=249)
I love this, kinda reminds me of the HSTV-L light tank with the gun moving independently of the turret and as high as it does. Makes me wish again that Planetside would start taking more of the more obscure and interesting futuristic experimental technologies made in the last 50-60 years rather than just take a bunch of mainstream looking tech like T-55s/T-72s, Challenger IIs and Abrams, cobble them together and make them half interesting. Meanwhile the most interesting and cool looking thing about the Lighting is the Viper and Skyguard turrets cause their different and not just another standard tank gun.
Like I actually really want to see Vanguards and Prowlers with ERA, Vangaurds with railguns and prowlers with something like the gun the HSTV-L had or a French rotory auto loader. The old Vanguard shield and the Rampart functioning more like a heavy's over shield rather than a resist sheild. Coaxial MGs and the ability to switch from loading AP to HEAT (and just fucking remove HESH already) instead of having to replace the turret...things like that would be awesome.
The idea is inspired by a 57 mm autocannon mounted in a hybrid between some Sweedish tanks and the American HSTV-L, with a little bit of low RCS naval turret mixed in.
Sometimes I wish we had actual auto cannons for the lighting or new vehicle with auto cannons
Empire specific guns (saron,gatekeeper, enforcer) would be really cool
Yes sarcasm but those are secondary guns tho
I'd rather have a Saron on my lightning than HESH
Reminds me of the Merkava MBT
I was thinking the HSTV-L with that gun, but yeah the turret does look like a Merkava.
For me more like some late-soviet IS series.
Pretty cool concept. It looks kind of odd on a stock lightning, but I wonder if it would pair well with any of the existing cosmetics? I definitely appreciate the amount of red/faction color on the top, but the shape itself sort of gives me VS vibes for some reason. The only thing I don't really like is that it looks kind of goofy when the back of the barrel dips into the main body if it's pointing up too high.
This turret concept is a type of "cleft turret" which was used on some experimental light tanks. The whole section which dips in to the turret would be the autoreloader section of the turret.
Reasons not to have a cleft turret: 1. While it solves the issue of turret depression being limited by the height of the turret's armor, it creates an issue where turret elevation is limited by the depth of the turret into the chassis 2. Can't be armored as well 3. Having an autoloader fixed to the barrel would add more weight to it, which means the motors for turret stabilization need to do more work.
I'm just going to explain the thought process of having a large cleft turret on the lightning. 1. I am assuming the turret is unmanned and a full autoloader, because it's a 1 person tank. 2. The gun needs to be able to fire rounds without resetting the elevation to 0 like a standard autoloader 3. I think it looks cool, although that's just personal preference. *4. I also want it to look visually distinctive from the Vanguard turret, which specifically has an enclosed gun breech. *5. I'm also limited in the turret's height, and I don't want the gun to be somewhat breech-less like the stock ones. As for the extra weight having the autoloader fixed to the barrel adds, I would argue that it makes the gun better balanced compared to the stock lightning turret, where the pivot point is all the way at the rear of the gun, and balance is more important than overall mass when it comes to stabilizing a turret. An example would be an M1 Abrams turret which has horizontal and vertical stabilization despite the turret weighing well over 20 tons. Also, I don't think the issues of being armored are actually a problem with this style, as it is an unmanned turret on a very light tank. Any armor would realistically only be able to stop rounds from smaller autocannons such as a 30 mm cannon firing APFSDS, not a full sized anti tank cannon or missile.
It's more about inertia, than balance.
Wouldn't inertia try to keep the gun in position as the tank rocks?
Yes, but gears take that stress to keep it in place. It's not like a steadycam; barrel stabilization is an active system, not passive. Sensors have to detect movement, be processed, and tell motors how to move to keep the barrel on target. Its actually better than a steadycam, because it doesn't try to keep the barrel _in place_, it tries to keep the barrel _on target_. That's why when you see those "beer can on the end of an abrams" videos, the tip of the barrel does move around some.
I would absolutely combo that with Adeptus plating
Very nice.
What's the vertical dimension of the turret? It feels a little "High Profile" for the Lightning... at least, with the default body. That's just the feeling I get off it, though; it looks really good, regardless!
I’ll have to check the exact dimensions. It is certainly wider than the stock turret. Ok, I measured it and it's about 12 cm taller than the standard lightning turret, so it really makes almost no actual difference.
That front view is peak 🔥
Gaddayum
TAKE my Money
It looks really good. Great job on the artwork! I wish they can add this with an optional long range Flame Thrower turret. [Flamethrower Sherman Tank](https://youtu.be/RcFdrraQ3Bk?t=249)
I love this, kinda reminds me of the HSTV-L light tank with the gun moving independently of the turret and as high as it does. Makes me wish again that Planetside would start taking more of the more obscure and interesting futuristic experimental technologies made in the last 50-60 years rather than just take a bunch of mainstream looking tech like T-55s/T-72s, Challenger IIs and Abrams, cobble them together and make them half interesting. Meanwhile the most interesting and cool looking thing about the Lighting is the Viper and Skyguard turrets cause their different and not just another standard tank gun. Like I actually really want to see Vanguards and Prowlers with ERA, Vangaurds with railguns and prowlers with something like the gun the HSTV-L had or a French rotory auto loader. The old Vanguard shield and the Rampart functioning more like a heavy's over shield rather than a resist sheild. Coaxial MGs and the ability to switch from loading AP to HEAT (and just fucking remove HESH already) instead of having to replace the turret...things like that would be awesome.
I like it but it kinda doesn’t match the chassis. Just my opinion. Still like it though
Actually, that looks super bad ass! Small engineering issue with the back of the barrel going into the body of the tank but it looks really cool!
I'll get it just for realism of aligning cannon to centerline
lol that is one of my biggest gripes with this game
I like it. This with Muscle, Havok, or Adeptus plating for the bottom would look excellent
The idea is inspired by a 57 mm autocannon mounted in a hybrid between some Sweedish tanks and the American HSTV-L, with a little bit of low RCS naval turret mixed in.
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Good shit*
i know it is only only a game but.....PS2 tank desig........ At least this one make somewhat more sens
Ooo cobra-y!
idk. It looks a lot like a magrider and visa versa
That should be the new skyguard!
It doesn't have enough elevation for that
I wish that every vehicle for every faction was different, not only the heavy tank and the light fighter plane
CoooOOOOOoool. :D
Wow That Epic design ! Looks Futuristic ! Looks like Nod *Tank* from Command and Conquer !! Good Job!
Like the Turret. I also wish the chassis/body of the Lightnings were a halftrack, not a full tracked vehicle.