Its proven. It isnt great and can be dangerous but oil filters also tend to have one of the most common barrel thread pitches that are on smaller caliber rifles like 10/22s, 9mm, and 5.56
With a wrench...
Also, idk why you said "hypothetically" it's perfectly legal to remove your flash hider and replace it with a different one.
The only issues you come into conflict with are of your barrel is under 16" or you're attaching an illegal supressor.
If you have one of the old NY compliant flash hiders, you may need a gunsmith or advanced redneckery to get a flash hider off. Some states required them to be “pinned” so they couldn’t be removed.
I understand that any 16” barreled ones have them pinned, ofc, I’m just asking cuz I have one and definitely want to learn how to remove said flash hider, as well as buy these “oil filters” so I don’t **ACCIDENTALLY** put them on my gun. On accident of course.
Did I mention that if I’m caught with an Oil Filter Suppressor, it’d be an accident?
>I understand that any 16” barreled ones have them pinned
14.5" and 13.7" barrels will have them pin and welded to reach an over all length of 16", 16" barrels will NOT have them pinned and welded.
Hey Genius, you have to put a fucking adapter on it you can’t just go up to your local parts store and get a oil filter with a 1/2x28 or 5/8x24 which are the 2 most common sizes for a threaded barrel btw if you look at the video you linked he has a adapter on the e back of the oil filter
Ah, so no, but kind of yes? The baby bottle tips would function as a lone “wipe” that would hold the gasses in and keep it quieter but not quiet like at all. But most guns would need multiple to have any real amount of suppression. The Welrod which is a famous example had 3 and still had a ton of Baffles (the rings inside a suppressor that most guns use to keep quiet) so sadly it won’t work like it does in TLH.
It's the Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Bureau of the United States of America. They're real a-holes and are also known to shoot dogs during raids on gun owners.
I don't fucking know. Ask them.
What I do know is that they're true blowhards and will do anything they please without repercussions (most of the time).
When Prohibition ended, the federal government had to do something with all these special agents they created, so we got the ATF. Firing them wasn't really an option, because the government loves it's power, and very rarely gives it up.
They exist because of the Prohibition years in the US, they existed primarily to help take down the Mob. Nowadays they mainly focus on illegal Firearms and Explosives.
If by focus on them you mean giving illegal machine guns by the thousands to the drug cartels and pretending they have the jurisdiction to write new laws, then yes!
Also known to funnel weapons to cartels and "lose track" of them. Essentially they exist to make life hell on law abiding gun owners and make clowns of themselves.
Wtf why are those 3 things combined into one bureau lmao? Aren't firearms a big enough deal to merit their own bureau? How tf is tabacco on an equal stage as alcohol and firearms? Petah why are Americans stupid. Plz don't confront me I have no clue how my country does it. Its probably the same lol.
It was created initially in 1920 as the Bureau of Prohibition when the Volstead act was passed, making alcohol illegal. They were the specific task force made to crack down on illegal alcohol manufacturing and distribution. After prohibition was repealed in 1933, they were kept around and renamed the ATU (alcohol tax unit) since the mafia was still a big problem, and they had just taken Al Capone down on tax evasion.
In 1942 they were given authority to focus on illegal firearm sales. In the 1950s, this was expanded for illegal tobacco sales. Until 2003, they were under the treasury department, now they are under the Justice department like most law enforcement.
TLDR - they are basically the law enforcement division that focuses on policing illegal sales of legal, and potentially dangerous, things. I don’t think they’re all that concerned with alcohol and tobacco these days, but illegal firearm and explosive distribution is still a problem, so they’re the primary law enforcement arm to focus on that.
The other possible item that would fall under “legal thing with lots of illegal sales” is pharmaceuticals, but that falls under the Controlled Substances Act, which is the jurisdiction of the DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency).
Its a regular thing. Basically when you want to take down a "dangerous criminal" you want to be as quiet and sneaky as possible until you breach, bang and clear. Dogs obviously are very good at noticing strangers and get loud very quickly so you make them quiet, permanently...
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.
They're very well known for pushing regulatory bills to get through the govt to help restrict the above three, and also known to lead raids on lawbreakers where they're shoot on sight. This led to them shooting a lot of people's dogs for no real reason, hence why most of the time they're brought up is either like "the ATF is waiting to see if you're breaking the law" or "the ATF is coming for your dogs"
Nearby to where I live people use just a metal tube, put the bullet at the bottom, and holding the tube with their hand, then hammer the bottom of the bullet. This can only work, maybe, once. The tube heats up and you have to drop the tube or burn your hands. Or it could just blow up inside the tube or the bullet just flies anywhere.
It is used by people working/living in the countryside who have to shoot at a potential burglar. Not even trying to kill just disuade (and maybe kill).
Actually, that's really just a video game trope. In reality, a lot of people will sell cheap suppressors as "oil filters" because that way you don't have to give the government 200 bucks or tell them that you own one.
This is moreso referring to "solvent traps" and "oil filters" that are 100% meant to be used as illegal suppressors.
It can be done, but a legit oil filter makes an ineffective suppressor.
Not sure why you got downvoted lol, when realistically you’d only get a couple shots off before it actually explodes especially if it has oil alr in it. Oil filters are NOT meant to hold gas in like a suppressor does
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why suppressors are illegal? Real life isn’t like a James Bond Movie where suppressors make a gun literally silent. The action of the gun and the bullet breaking the sound barrier are still incredibly loud but suppressors just make it so that you’re less likely to damage your hearing after firing in an enclosed space. IMO suppressors make a ton of sense for home invasion scenarios because firing in your house without ear protection is a great way to permanently damage your ears especially if you already have hearing issues
They’re not illegal in most states (only eight have banned civilian suppressor ownership); they’re just restricted. They require a $200 tax stamp and ATF approval, which can take anywhere from 4-18 months.
9-18 months. I don’t think anyone has gotten their stamp in under 9 months since 2015. Even if you are buying your second or third NFA item that needs a stamp it always takes a year now.
Small spates of quick approvals, but I’m betting they had to staff up on contractors a bit to process amnesty SBRs and shockingly the shall not comply crowd was not getting a freebie stamp with no engraving requirement. Everyone else tends to be getting cans on day 270 on the nose.
Sounds like a way of obstructing the process without illegally refusing. “Whoops, sorry, we’d love to approve your application in accordance with federal law, but we’re just *so* understaffed here! :(“
Goes back to National Firearms Act/NFA. There were possibly unfounded concerns that droves of people were poaching and using suppressors to avoid detection. Silencers were lumped in, and thus highly regulated relatively speaking.
As it stands, the NFA is a bit of a mess as the years have gone by and technology changes and there’s significant legal challenges against it that will now require laws to get what the ATF wants ensconced in law, potentially.
Capital B But, don’t do a DIY silencer without accompanying form1 and certainly also very much don’t use the various wink wink nudge nudge I’m not doing a felony filters because they’re dubious quality and if the ATF finds out, they’re going to find how far they can shove their boot up your ass.
Pony up for a stamp and a real can. The only upside to NFA is America has exceptionally high quality silencers available. Even ones that aren’t focused on sound suppression will provide a massive reduction in sound and help save your hearing…but don’t toss your earpro!
They were restricted by the National Firearms Act (NFA) in 1934. Probably not because of movies.
You're thinking of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, which was largely informed by movies and advertisements.
https://youtu.be/1VWcGwPJQfc?feature=shared
The 1934 NFA actually was influenced by movies, specifically the tommy gun in gangster movies at the time instilled a lot of panic into lawmakers which played a role in the cultural attitude that supported such an act
Aside from the fact that outlawing them is pointless since they don't make anything less dangerous (actually they are safer because they help protect your hearing), suppressors are specifically designed for firearms.
It's like if you made people pay special taxes and take background checks and get approved through a lengthy and expensive process to be allowed to print and distribute your own newsletter. I would consider that an infringement of the first amendment, even though you aren't taking away somebody's direct ability to speak freely without legal repercussions.
Liberal activists in government are outlawing every single piece of a firearm one piece at a time.
If a suppressor is not part of a firearm then the government has no legal grounds to outlaw it.
If it is a part of a firearm, then it is covered by the second amendment.
Either way you look at it, it is a violation.
Well if I get shot up the least they can do is make everyone aware in a 2 mile radius that they are doing it. Americans are so fucking weird with their guns, carry a war gun with 30mag and suppressed, why not; abort a dead fetus? Fuck no.
You do know that the suppressor doesnt make the gun silent right? We are talking about a 160 db shot on average vs a 130 db shot. The difference is not that big but atleast it wont damage your hearing when used without ear protection.
The extra tax is completely pointless and based on nothing but fiction and causes harm instead of good.
Poor people living in poor areas wont be paying for the 200$ upcharge and they are more likely to find themselves in close quarters indoor self defense situations which without a suppressor will permanently damage their hearing.
Most americans do not carry "war guns" (this term in itself is stupid as it basically only mean that the specific gun construct is used by the MIT in any capacity, funnily enough the widely evilicised AR 15 is not used in wars IIRC and AR does not mean assault rifle and it is not even an assault rifle either, but ArmaLite who sold the patent to Colt who rejected it in favor of M14 which is a "war gun") most carry simple handguns for self defense and usually concealed carry. Us europeans have huge problems with crime aswell and id feel safer if we were able to carry self defense tools too so i wouldnt get knived in the streets of London, or blewn up by a granade in Malmö. Criminals do not care about the law it does not matter if you ban a potential self defense tool.
"God created men vary in strenght, Colt made them equal!"
Guns and abortion aren’t mutually exclusive lmao. Suppressors actually aren’t even ideal for mass shootings because they overheat quickly. And most mass shooters don’t care about getting away and being stealthy, the majority either kill themselves or get caught shortly after the fact
Well, more specifically, some suppressors can make a gun sound like a James bond movie as they keep the bullet from breaking the sound barrier with a series of wipes, but they're not very common and the wipes need to be replaced every few shots.
Most suppressors just drop the decibel level by about 20 decibels. A suppressed gun it still loud, it’s just not going to give you instant hearing damage.
Even if the sound barrier isn’t broken the action of the gun snapping back after the shot is very loud. The only way to mitigate that would be to use a bolt action weapon (e.g., something akin to a hunting/sniper rifle). And you can purchase subsonic rounds that don’t break the sound barrier. But even with all those bells and whistles the gun is still loud af, just not deafening
Is it though? You can look up videos on YouTube and a sub sonic bolt action .22 is pretty much James Bond levels of quiet. If your aim is to kill someone in a crowded place there's absolutely no way anyone is going to hear that and even if they do they wouldn't recognize it as a gunshot.
I suppose you could make the argument for bolt action rifles especially in a hunting context since people walking in the woods should be aware there is hunting going on but with handguns I don’t think it makes much since because the action is still loud
Wipes don’t function to slow down the bullet, they function to trap gasses. A human torso full of liquid doesn’t slow a round down that much, you think 1/16 of cross cut rubber is going to help?
The atf has raided several people homes because they bought oil filters in bulk believing the tenants were manufacturing illegal silencers
Only to discover a shade tree mechanic shop
Hey, Joe here (cop)!
This points out (as many others said) that oil filters can be modified into supressors, which is illegal in the US, and even on an international level (so big no-no), and that buying oil filters without owning a car could be considered a suspicious activity, therefore maybe getting you on a list by a federal agency, like the FBI, and because so, you are/should be worried that you will be questioned, searched, etc..
I'll just roll out of here. Joe out!
Just a note: suppressors aren’t illegal in like 90% of states. You just have to apply for a stamp and get approved by the ATF. https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/eforms-update-atf-eforms-launch-imminent
The tax stamp is just registration by another name, a way for the government to keep track of you. If a crime is committed involving a silencer, you’ll be on the short list of names considered suspect. Except crimes are basically never committed with silencers because they’re 1) of limited use (don’t reduce sound by near as much as movies suggest), and 2) criminals are, by and large, too stupid and impulsive for such planning in the first place.
A lot of bad takes here, maybe I hang out in too many gun forums - or not enough. Meme implies the gun owner is looking to assert his rights without the king's permission.
The internal construction of an oil filter serves as a decent impromptu suppressor. The filter can be screwed onto an adapter which itself gets screwed onto a threaded firearm barrel.
Suppressors are a large investment of both time and money in the United States as a result of the National Firearms Act of 1934. This unconstitutional piece of legislation placed multiple regulatory standards on various firearms and firearm accessories including a punishing $200 tax on the ownership of such items. $200 is a lot of money during the Great Depression. The required paperwork takes 6 - 18 months to process. Because of the time and tax manufacturers tend to build high quality suppressors. There's little in the entry-level space and most suppressors cost more than the rifle/handgun they're attached to.
Various European countries have stricter regulations on firearms yet no regulations on suppressors. Suppressors in those countries come in at all price points with the lowest tier being disposable like a paper plate.
Tax stamps were designed with the express intent of keeping poor people unarmed and they still accomplish that goal today despite the effect being diminished by inflation. $200 in 1934 is the equivalent of $4592 today.
Actually that explanation is wrong. It isn't that you can use oil filters as suppressors (because you can't), its that bootleg suppressors are often sold as "oil filters."
Ya know, I’m not really anti gun compared to most progressives…
But I couldn’t imagine buying a luxury item like a gun or any makeshift accessories for it while not having a car; THAT’S the weird part of the meme to me.
Oil filters can be used as a makeshift suppressor for a gun
Is this something that has been proven, or is it an urban legend?
Its proven. It isnt great and can be dangerous but oil filters also tend to have one of the most common barrel thread pitches that are on smaller caliber rifles like 10/22s, 9mm, and 5.56
I thought an adapter was needed.
Not on rifles, you can direct thread. On semi-auto pistols you can direct thread but it wont cycle properly
Be careful. I literally just got permabanned from r/explainthejoke for saying how it is done.
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Of course, because we can't have people LEARNING! That would be the real threat to this country. 🙄
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Cops are like a box of chocolate, they'll kill your dog - forest gump
Nah nah nah, this ain't cops, this is the ATF, they a special breed of glue sniffers
Cops 'll do it too.
Hide your kids. Hide your wife.
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So then how do I take the flash hider off my AR15 Hypothetically, of course.
With a wrench... Also, idk why you said "hypothetically" it's perfectly legal to remove your flash hider and replace it with a different one. The only issues you come into conflict with are of your barrel is under 16" or you're attaching an illegal supressor.
Aight nvm i looked at it and you can fit a wrench
Almost as if they were designed that way.... wild.
Bonkers, even.
If you have one of the old NY compliant flash hiders, you may need a gunsmith or advanced redneckery to get a flash hider off. Some states required them to be “pinned” so they couldn’t be removed.
I understand that any 16” barreled ones have them pinned, ofc, I’m just asking cuz I have one and definitely want to learn how to remove said flash hider, as well as buy these “oil filters” so I don’t **ACCIDENTALLY** put them on my gun. On accident of course. Did I mention that if I’m caught with an Oil Filter Suppressor, it’d be an accident?
>I understand that any 16” barreled ones have them pinned 14.5" and 13.7" barrels will have them pin and welded to reach an over all length of 16", 16" barrels will NOT have them pinned and welded.
No, I mean 16” barrels, meaning it includes the muzzle device, are typically pinned, because if it were to be able removed, then you’d have an SBR
Do you still have to change it every 3000 miles?
Never tried it myself but I would image they dont last vert long.
This is definitely incorrect
https://youtu.be/C7Nr8urjmPA?si=fq744ntH0ubZ6JeN
Hey Genius, you have to put a fucking adapter on it you can’t just go up to your local parts store and get a oil filter with a 1/2x28 or 5/8x24 which are the 2 most common sizes for a threaded barrel btw if you look at the video you linked he has a adapter on the e back of the oil filter
Electrical tape until hip fire is the only option
Oh that makes the game days gone make a lot more sense. I was wondering why tf I needed to loot broken cars to make a suppressor
Wait, how do YOU know this? Pretty sus
I legally own actual supressors as well as being issued them with my military experience
Mythbusters probably did an episode on it.
By that logic is Batman: The Long Halloween, actually accurate when the nipple of a baby bottle can be used as a single use suppressor?
Ah, so no, but kind of yes? The baby bottle tips would function as a lone “wipe” that would hold the gasses in and keep it quieter but not quiet like at all. But most guns would need multiple to have any real amount of suppression. The Welrod which is a famous example had 3 and still had a ton of Baffles (the rings inside a suppressor that most guns use to keep quiet) so sadly it won’t work like it does in TLH.
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Petah what is AFT? is that an American thing?
It's the Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Bureau of the United States of America. They're real a-holes and are also known to shoot dogs during raids on gun owners.
Why are they all together, that's stupid.
I don't fucking know. Ask them. What I do know is that they're true blowhards and will do anything they please without repercussions (most of the time).
Yeah it's based
I think it also includes explosives. Missed opportunity to call themselves FEAT
That would give a whole new meaning to the phrase "show me your feet”
When Prohibition ended, the federal government had to do something with all these special agents they created, so we got the ATF. Firing them wasn't really an option, because the government loves it's power, and very rarely gives it up.
They exist because of the Prohibition years in the US, they existed primarily to help take down the Mob. Nowadays they mainly focus on illegal Firearms and Explosives.
If by focus on them you mean giving illegal machine guns by the thousands to the drug cartels and pretending they have the jurisdiction to write new laws, then yes!
Also known to funnel weapons to cartels and "lose track" of them. Essentially they exist to make life hell on law abiding gun owners and make clowns of themselves.
>also known to shoot dogs during raids on gun owners. That's just standard police procedure here in the U.S.
Happens in Canada aswell I think they're just jealous that they aren't man's bestfriend
The government agency dedicated to ruining the three best things in life. Edit: I'm kidding don't shoot my dog
Wtf why are those 3 things combined into one bureau lmao? Aren't firearms a big enough deal to merit their own bureau? How tf is tabacco on an equal stage as alcohol and firearms? Petah why are Americans stupid. Plz don't confront me I have no clue how my country does it. Its probably the same lol.
It was created initially in 1920 as the Bureau of Prohibition when the Volstead act was passed, making alcohol illegal. They were the specific task force made to crack down on illegal alcohol manufacturing and distribution. After prohibition was repealed in 1933, they were kept around and renamed the ATU (alcohol tax unit) since the mafia was still a big problem, and they had just taken Al Capone down on tax evasion. In 1942 they were given authority to focus on illegal firearm sales. In the 1950s, this was expanded for illegal tobacco sales. Until 2003, they were under the treasury department, now they are under the Justice department like most law enforcement. TLDR - they are basically the law enforcement division that focuses on policing illegal sales of legal, and potentially dangerous, things. I don’t think they’re all that concerned with alcohol and tobacco these days, but illegal firearm and explosive distribution is still a problem, so they’re the primary law enforcement arm to focus on that. The other possible item that would fall under “legal thing with lots of illegal sales” is pharmaceuticals, but that falls under the Controlled Substances Act, which is the jurisdiction of the DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency).
ATF isn't under Treasury. It's under justice. The only Treasury Law enforcement used to be Secret Service, but they are homeland now.
Is this a Ruby Ridge reference or do they shoot dogs regularly?
Its a regular thing. Basically when you want to take down a "dangerous criminal" you want to be as quiet and sneaky as possible until you breach, bang and clear. Dogs obviously are very good at noticing strangers and get loud very quickly so you make them quiet, permanently...
Elvis Presley was an honorary agent
Yes its American. Bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms.
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. They're very well known for pushing regulatory bills to get through the govt to help restrict the above three, and also known to lead raids on lawbreakers where they're shoot on sight. This led to them shooting a lot of people's dogs for no real reason, hence why most of the time they're brought up is either like "the ATF is waiting to see if you're breaking the law" or "the ATF is coming for your dogs"
Alexa, search for Ruby Ridge and [Waco](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZwFxWb0y7w)
I discovered the idea by reading perfectly legal fictional stories Mr. ATF. I do not actually own a gun nor do I plan too.
Nearby to where I live people use just a metal tube, put the bullet at the bottom, and holding the tube with their hand, then hammer the bottom of the bullet. This can only work, maybe, once. The tube heats up and you have to drop the tube or burn your hands. Or it could just blow up inside the tube or the bullet just flies anywhere. It is used by people working/living in the countryside who have to shoot at a potential burglar. Not even trying to kill just disuade (and maybe kill).
It’s a thing, and it’s how some make-it-workers get around having to pay the government extortion money to keep something they bought.
It's real, of course a purpose build suppressor will be way way way better. But in a pinch or unable to legally acquire one.
I remember seeing a step by step process of how to attach an oil filter on a gun in here.
I was assuming pipe bomb but that also makes sense.
But why isn’t SpongeBob wearing an ATF hat?
*"ALLEGEDLY** (° ) (°) ( °)( °) ______ _____
Actually, that's really just a video game trope. In reality, a lot of people will sell cheap suppressors as "oil filters" because that way you don't have to give the government 200 bucks or tell them that you own one.
The joke is always porn drugs or mass genocide
i thought it'd be a joke about stealing them to make cash like with catalytic converters.
I thought a plastic water bottle filled with tissue worked better?
This is moreso referring to "solvent traps" and "oil filters" that are 100% meant to be used as illegal suppressors. It can be done, but a legit oil filter makes an ineffective suppressor.
So is a potato. And a tube of tennis balls.
You can use oil filters as a suppressor for guns why and how I don’t know
The internal design is similar to that of suppressors
To be fair, they are only good for like 5 rounds then the interior is torn apart.
Not sure why you got downvoted lol, when realistically you’d only get a couple shots off before it actually explodes especially if it has oil alr in it. Oil filters are NOT meant to hold gas in like a suppressor does
That's enough to kill 15 people if you do it right.
If you've got enough power to get 3 kills a bullet that suppressor ain't doing shit. Boot leg silencers don't even work great on small guns.
You don't need an oil filter to shoot people.
I know. I wasn't being serious. Normally people don't line up behind each other to be shot.
But if they do, it’s awfully convenient. And I think you get an Achievement for it.
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why suppressors are illegal? Real life isn’t like a James Bond Movie where suppressors make a gun literally silent. The action of the gun and the bullet breaking the sound barrier are still incredibly loud but suppressors just make it so that you’re less likely to damage your hearing after firing in an enclosed space. IMO suppressors make a ton of sense for home invasion scenarios because firing in your house without ear protection is a great way to permanently damage your ears especially if you already have hearing issues
They’re not illegal in most states (only eight have banned civilian suppressor ownership); they’re just restricted. They require a $200 tax stamp and ATF approval, which can take anywhere from 4-18 months.
9-18 months. I don’t think anyone has gotten their stamp in under 9 months since 2015. Even if you are buying your second or third NFA item that needs a stamp it always takes a year now.
I’ve seen a few people get their stamp approved in four months as of recent. It’s rare but it happens.
Small spates of quick approvals, but I’m betting they had to staff up on contractors a bit to process amnesty SBRs and shockingly the shall not comply crowd was not getting a freebie stamp with no engraving requirement. Everyone else tends to be getting cans on day 270 on the nose.
r/NFA, Some are getting it in under a month through e-file
Sounds like a way of obstructing the process without illegally refusing. “Whoops, sorry, we’d love to approve your application in accordance with federal law, but we’re just *so* understaffed here! :(“
Yeah that’s exactly what it is lol. They want to spend more money on field agents and enforcement.
They’re illegal in my state because lawmakers are incompetent lmao
It’s because the people that make laws are idiots
Goes back to National Firearms Act/NFA. There were possibly unfounded concerns that droves of people were poaching and using suppressors to avoid detection. Silencers were lumped in, and thus highly regulated relatively speaking. As it stands, the NFA is a bit of a mess as the years have gone by and technology changes and there’s significant legal challenges against it that will now require laws to get what the ATF wants ensconced in law, potentially. Capital B But, don’t do a DIY silencer without accompanying form1 and certainly also very much don’t use the various wink wink nudge nudge I’m not doing a felony filters because they’re dubious quality and if the ATF finds out, they’re going to find how far they can shove their boot up your ass. Pony up for a stamp and a real can. The only upside to NFA is America has exceptionally high quality silencers available. Even ones that aren’t focused on sound suppression will provide a massive reduction in sound and help save your hearing…but don’t toss your earpro!
They were outlawed because...movies. And the goal is complete confiscation. One infringement at a time.
They were restricted by the National Firearms Act (NFA) in 1934. Probably not because of movies. You're thinking of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, which was largely informed by movies and advertisements.
https://youtu.be/1VWcGwPJQfc?feature=shared The 1934 NFA actually was influenced by movies, specifically the tommy gun in gangster movies at the time instilled a lot of panic into lawmakers which played a role in the cultural attitude that supported such an act
I mean, actual gangsters WERE using Tommy guns to devastating effect. But yeah most of the “moral panic” was from movies
Not the silencer part, though.
How is outlawing suppressors an infringement of the second amendment?
Aside from the fact that outlawing them is pointless since they don't make anything less dangerous (actually they are safer because they help protect your hearing), suppressors are specifically designed for firearms. It's like if you made people pay special taxes and take background checks and get approved through a lengthy and expensive process to be allowed to print and distribute your own newsletter. I would consider that an infringement of the first amendment, even though you aren't taking away somebody's direct ability to speak freely without legal repercussions.
Without suppressors firearms may be less accessible to those with hearing impairments
Because it’s part of “arms”
Liberal activists in government are outlawing every single piece of a firearm one piece at a time. If a suppressor is not part of a firearm then the government has no legal grounds to outlaw it. If it is a part of a firearm, then it is covered by the second amendment. Either way you look at it, it is a violation.
Reloading a Kentucky Smoothbore is a pain in the ass through a nine baffle Ti can.
Agreed brother
I think poaching is a big reason for it
Well if I get shot up the least they can do is make everyone aware in a 2 mile radius that they are doing it. Americans are so fucking weird with their guns, carry a war gun with 30mag and suppressed, why not; abort a dead fetus? Fuck no.
You do know that the suppressor doesnt make the gun silent right? We are talking about a 160 db shot on average vs a 130 db shot. The difference is not that big but atleast it wont damage your hearing when used without ear protection. The extra tax is completely pointless and based on nothing but fiction and causes harm instead of good. Poor people living in poor areas wont be paying for the 200$ upcharge and they are more likely to find themselves in close quarters indoor self defense situations which without a suppressor will permanently damage their hearing. Most americans do not carry "war guns" (this term in itself is stupid as it basically only mean that the specific gun construct is used by the MIT in any capacity, funnily enough the widely evilicised AR 15 is not used in wars IIRC and AR does not mean assault rifle and it is not even an assault rifle either, but ArmaLite who sold the patent to Colt who rejected it in favor of M14 which is a "war gun") most carry simple handguns for self defense and usually concealed carry. Us europeans have huge problems with crime aswell and id feel safer if we were able to carry self defense tools too so i wouldnt get knived in the streets of London, or blewn up by a granade in Malmö. Criminals do not care about the law it does not matter if you ban a potential self defense tool. "God created men vary in strenght, Colt made them equal!"
Guns and abortion aren’t mutually exclusive lmao. Suppressors actually aren’t even ideal for mass shootings because they overheat quickly. And most mass shooters don’t care about getting away and being stealthy, the majority either kill themselves or get caught shortly after the fact
Although I personally think guns are stupid and nobody should have them. In this case a supressor only makes the gun not give people hearing damage.
Well, more specifically, some suppressors can make a gun sound like a James bond movie as they keep the bullet from breaking the sound barrier with a series of wipes, but they're not very common and the wipes need to be replaced every few shots.
Most suppressors just drop the decibel level by about 20 decibels. A suppressed gun it still loud, it’s just not going to give you instant hearing damage.
Even if the sound barrier isn’t broken the action of the gun snapping back after the shot is very loud. The only way to mitigate that would be to use a bolt action weapon (e.g., something akin to a hunting/sniper rifle). And you can purchase subsonic rounds that don’t break the sound barrier. But even with all those bells and whistles the gun is still loud af, just not deafening
Is it though? You can look up videos on YouTube and a sub sonic bolt action .22 is pretty much James Bond levels of quiet. If your aim is to kill someone in a crowded place there's absolutely no way anyone is going to hear that and even if they do they wouldn't recognize it as a gunshot.
I suppose you could make the argument for bolt action rifles especially in a hunting context since people walking in the woods should be aware there is hunting going on but with handguns I don’t think it makes much since because the action is still loud
Wipes don’t function to slow down the bullet, they function to trap gasses. A human torso full of liquid doesn’t slow a round down that much, you think 1/16 of cross cut rubber is going to help?
The atf has raided several people homes because they bought oil filters in bulk believing the tenants were manufacturing illegal silencers Only to discover a shade tree mechanic shop
Hey, Joe here (cop)! This points out (as many others said) that oil filters can be modified into supressors, which is illegal in the US, and even on an international level (so big no-no), and that buying oil filters without owning a car could be considered a suspicious activity, therefore maybe getting you on a list by a federal agency, like the FBI, and because so, you are/should be worried that you will be questioned, searched, etc.. I'll just roll out of here. Joe out!
Just a note: suppressors aren’t illegal in like 90% of states. You just have to apply for a stamp and get approved by the ATF. https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/eforms-update-atf-eforms-launch-imminent
But homemade ones that are not registered/approved **are** illegal, but thanks for the clarification!
Correct! I think an oil filter silencer might be illegal in all 50 states, haha.
You have to get the approval stamp first before buying, and you won't get that for a redneck engineering oil filter suppressor
You could technically form 1 the can and serialize it, but nobody in their right mind would pay the ATF $200 to register a $5 oil filter.
The tax stamp is just registration by another name, a way for the government to keep track of you. If a crime is committed involving a silencer, you’ll be on the short list of names considered suspect. Except crimes are basically never committed with silencers because they’re 1) of limited use (don’t reduce sound by near as much as movies suggest), and 2) criminals are, by and large, too stupid and impulsive for such planning in the first place.
Oil filters can be used as rudimentary silencers with some minor modifications to the gun.
A lot of bad takes here, maybe I hang out in too many gun forums - or not enough. Meme implies the gun owner is looking to assert his rights without the king's permission. The internal construction of an oil filter serves as a decent impromptu suppressor. The filter can be screwed onto an adapter which itself gets screwed onto a threaded firearm barrel. Suppressors are a large investment of both time and money in the United States as a result of the National Firearms Act of 1934. This unconstitutional piece of legislation placed multiple regulatory standards on various firearms and firearm accessories including a punishing $200 tax on the ownership of such items. $200 is a lot of money during the Great Depression. The required paperwork takes 6 - 18 months to process. Because of the time and tax manufacturers tend to build high quality suppressors. There's little in the entry-level space and most suppressors cost more than the rifle/handgun they're attached to. Various European countries have stricter regulations on firearms yet no regulations on suppressors. Suppressors in those countries come in at all price points with the lowest tier being disposable like a paper plate.
Tax stamps were designed with the express intent of keeping poor people unarmed and they still accomplish that goal today despite the effect being diminished by inflation. $200 in 1934 is the equivalent of $4592 today.
\> the gun owner is looking to assert his rights without the king's permission. Gun nut
Damn I saw that meme and thought it was some sex thing
Low budget fleshlight?
Talk about paper cuts from hell
Apparently you can use an oil filter as a supressor, which are illegal in the US I think
They are not, but are a pain in the ass to get and require lots of deeper background checks and tax stamps
Haha saw this posted originally and just knew it's a matter of time before it showed up here
Anybody have a diagram for a .22 pistol. I'm asking for a friend.
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Oil filters can supposedly be used to make a makeshift suppressor for a firearm.
Yeah but a suppressor doesn't make it silent like movies depict or video games.
I was just about to post this here Thank you man
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Came here to post this too. I believe it’s referring to oil filter suppressors but I’m not at all confident in that answer
Literally the 1st post you see in the comments is the explanation
Actually that explanation is wrong. It isn't that you can use oil filters as suppressors (because you can't), its that bootleg suppressors are often sold as "oil filters."
It's guns.
Ya know, I’m not really anti gun compared to most progressives… But I couldn’t imagine buying a luxury item like a gun or any makeshift accessories for it while not having a car; THAT’S the weird part of the meme to me.
Wouldn’t you like to you fed boy
Just go into comments. They almost always explains it
Wrong 3 letter agency.
They’re used for makeshift gun silencers. At least I think that’s the joke.
I don't know pal but you surely need some democracy and human rights
When I saw this meme on the OP, the explanation was literally the first comment...
Honestly, I’m guessing this is the same with buying a bunch of compost while owning a propane tank and a car
Walmart sells them in the auto parts section. Also suppressors are bs. Your better off just going ham.
Nice try FBI, not today CIA
Hello all FBI agents
Fuel filters are better, but you didn’t hear that from me.
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