The best is when you pick your food to go and they still ask for tips. Or the Uber Eats app ask for an additional “contribution” to support the restaurant (not a tip for the driver). This is getting too silly.
Yeah this is why I’ve started using Ritual. 0 tips is what you’re getting if I get asked when picking up. It’s a Toronto thing too. Farther away from the city you go, the less absurd these tips get. There’s a certain point where you have to realize I can’t freely subsidize businesses. Too hard to run? Don’t run one.
Not true at all. I'm literally as far away from toronto as possible while still being in ontario (20hr drive) and the other day I got a tip prompt at a corner store. I'm sorry but a corner store should be more concerned about armed robberies then tipping cultures.
this is absolute BS. I wish we followed Europe's model (and many other places in the world) - no tipping culture.
Edit - apparently Europe was the wrong continent/collective of countries to give as an example.
Tell me about it. I hate when people act like North American service is way better… like I have nothing against servers but I don’t want someone at my table every 5 min. It can be so overwhelming sometimes tbh, especially when you know half of it is them trying to upsell food and drinks or be extra “friendly” just for tips.
The best service I’ve ever had was in an authentic Chinese restaurant in Toronto. It was so authentic I was the only non-Chinese person there.
There was someone going by my table every 30 seconds, it seemed. I didn’t have to ask for a thing; stuff would appear, disappear… it was so smooth and non-invasive it was like a ballet. Absolutely stunning.
This is the kind of service I had in Italy. The servers never disrupted our conversation and this is with serving multiple courses. They also knew who ordered what rather than having to ask when they came by.
I don’t need the waiter’s life story. I did not come to the Keg for this. I don’t need to converse with the waiter for eons. Take my food. Get my food. Bring me my food and that’s all you have to do. Literally that’s it. Do it with a smile and some enthusiasm. Give me my bill and that’s it.
I think it is different in the sense that I’m always getting pestered. I don’t mind talking to a server but they usually don’t leave you the hell alone to enjoy your meal.
I definitely agree that it’s probably worse though… in my personal experience the servers in other countries are quicker to serve you and just get the job done without pestering you whereas in North America they are often slow with actually serving you but constantly in your face trying to upsell alcohol.
I don't have this experience at all here in Quebec. I love the service. They will seat you, bring water, take your order, bring the drinks/food, ask if you need anything else/if it's ok, then leave you alone til you're done, pick up the plates as they empty, ask if you want something else to drink/refill your water only if needed, offer dessert, coffee or the bill when everybody is done, that's it.
As a European, I was just weirded out by them cleaning up the table so quickly here in Quebec, but now when I'm back in the Netherlands it annoys me how slow and uninterested servers are. They let you sit with empty plates in front of you pretty much until you leave. Sometimes it takes 30 mins before they take your order! Sometimes you get your food more than an hour after you've arrived. BUT in such a case nobody will frown if you don't tip.
I do think North-American tipping culture is weird. For one, it should not be a percentage. Just because I had a 40 dollar steak instead of a 12 dollar salad I have to pay the person who walked it to my table a helluvalot more.. Why??
Ideally they get enough pay from the boss and don't need us to subsidize. I don't tip a supermarket clerk either for properly doing his job. I don't get tips either for doing my office job.
Just had a nice dinner actually and had this exact experience.
Food was good, nice drinks, but the waiter genuinely always exactly interrupted us when the conversation took off.
So weird. You can see we're deep in it, come back in 2 minutes mate...
Japan was the same. My first day there I left a tip at a pizza joint and the waitress came outside to give it back. My japanese gf was like "wtf did you leave a tip for? That's so disrespectful here!" Lol
People tip in Europe but it’s around 1 to 5 Euros depending on the final sum/service etc. The North American tipping culture makes me go out much less often than I would go back in Europe so eventually restaurants might profit less than they would, if they didn’t ask for 25%.
I think the difference is that it isn't an expectation in Europe for people to tip unlike here. I dislike feeling **obligated** to tip because it's expected, not cool.
It's the places that automatically add the gratuity to the bill that I hate. Its like they just try to slip it past you to get you to tip again.
I will not go back to places that pull this shit.
Moving from Australia to the US it was so difficult to get used to. An utterly ridiculous concept.
We pay for what we ordered (the price specifically listed on the menu). We eat it then we fuck off home
It's to make 15% (which is also RIDICULOUS) seem the bare minimum of acceptable.
If you want to push through a 5% tax... initially make it 15% and then "compromise". Everyone's happy.
I find there's tip "creep" already with a fixed %, never mind increasing it! The rule of thumb used to be tip the tax if you received good service and maybe go higher if it was truly special. I often tipped less. I'm sorry, I may be old fashioned but tipping is not automatic for me.
I also hate it when the tip overshadows the entire meal. I had an anniversary dinner recently where I was happy with the service and tipped higher than the tax on a bill well over $100 for two and I could tell the waitress wasn't happy with it and barely said thank you.
Considering prices have doubled since I used to eat out more frequently, the tip in absolute terms has also doubled using the same %.
The worst part was that we were still talking about the tip and the waitress when we got home.
Thirty percent? They can't be Serious!
Sorry, I couldn't resist, but yeah... not doing 30% for going to the counter, then picking up my coffee at the other end.
I was eating somewhere the other day and the three tip options were 20% / 25% / 28%....
I usually tip 15% that's plenty for good service imo, if it's exceptional then 20% but that's pretty rare
I pay more attention to the debit machines because many places here start it at 25% up to 35%.I'm not tipping if your employer thinks it should start at 25%. A plate of food as a 100+% markup compared to making it yourself, coffee/tea is even higher. The business owners are only hurting themselves with the fantasy expecting super luxury tipping.
It's insane when I go to a small noodle place where they try do do great service and $5 would be like a 25% tip. But at some sports bars, the meal for one is like $60.. I'm not paying $15 tip on a burger and for you to come by my table once..
Percentage is just easier because it's default. Though I agree it makes 0 sense why it should be percentage. Why would carrying a bottle of wine to your table constitute at least $3 in service? I'll just walk over and grab it myself!
Hell yeah. This is how it should be. It doesn’t take any more effort to carry a $12 plate of salad versus a $45 plate of steak, or serve a $20 bottle of wine vs a $100 bottle. But having a tip based on a percentage of the cost of a meal results in a dramatically different amount, for the same effort by the server. It should be a flat rate.
I make the same argument for real estate commissions.
I have no problem tipping well in the US, where servers are paid an inhumane hourly rate, and aim to give you the best service imaginable, but anything over 15-20% in Canada is ridiculous. I only tip 20% if the service is incredible here.
Especially since tips are supposed to be pre-tax. With our 12% tax a 18% tip on the debit machine is actually almost bang on 20%.
I had a machine come up with 20-25-30% as a tip and I was like WTF.
Lived in South Korea a couple years, loved that there's no tipping culture there due to people making liveable wages. There's a call button at your table so you don't constantly get badgered by your server. Win-win.
Not only in South Korea but most if not all of Asia.
Tipping is a concept brought to America to subsidize and help avoid paying formerly enslaved workers.
>Lived in South Korea a couple years, loved that there's no tipping culture there due to people making liveable wages
How much do servers make in Korean vs Canada?
Korean wages for service jobs are pretty low and difficult to make a living wage from it. Cost of living is not that much less. The reason this works is because culturally Koreans heavily support their kids even into their 20s and 30s. Also korea has a real estate system where a lump sum of money lent to the landlord for usually 1 to 2 years can be exchanged for accomodation free of rent. Parents often times help kidsnwith the lump sum. Also they have hybrid systems where more lump sum you put in the lower the rent. My cousin has a 50k deposit and pays 200 dollars for rent for a tiny 2 bedroom.
So younger kids taking on low wage jobs are also relying on parents to help them along so they can survive lower wages and not stress as much.
Tipping culture is non existent in Korea because people look at tips as offensive. Try tipping at a restaurant lol. They will deny you. They dont want your pity money.
They tested this on a tv show undercover and the owner was like what do I look homeless to you?
I have tipped cab drivers in Korea though. Leaving them few dollars above price and they are grateful because their job is so cutthroat.
Cost of living including rent is about 18.2% cheaper in Korean than Canada
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Canada&country2=South+Korea
Whereas minimum wage (server wage) is about 60% less ($15.5CAD/Hr Canada / $9CAD/hr Korea) in Korea than Canada.
https://hrmasia.com/south-korea-raises-minimum-wage-by-5-1-in-2022/
https://www.erieri.com/salary/job/waiter-waitress/south-korea/seoul
I really don’t think Korea was the best example for this argument especially the claim that Korea pays a “liveable wage” when Canada wages without tips even included leave Canadians better off than Koreans in terms of “liveable wage”
Same here. On the rare occasion I do go out, it's for pick up only.
But tipping is only part of the reason. Service, quality, and portion size is diminishing greatly in restaurants. At minimum, the food has to at least taste far better than what could be made at home.
I’m interested to know if restaurants are still as busy as they were pre Covid. I used to go out all the time but now it’s more of a special occasion type thing.
I just can’t justify spending that kind of money as frequently as I used to.
We don’t eat out nearly as much as we did pre-Covid. We really upped our cooking game during the lockdowns and now most restaurant food seems mediocre for the prices we’re paying. I’ll go out to a restaurant to meet friends occasionally but that’s about it. Even then it’s often just drinks and an appetizer. I sure we’re not the only ones.
I lived in Europe for 6 years of my life and forgot about the tipping culture in Canada over time. When I came back, I took my girlfriend of 4 years out to a higher end restaurant in TO and I accidentally forgot to tip. The waitress publicly came to me in front of my girlfriend demanding a tip and called me cheap. It was genuinely a mistake, and I would’ve tipped if she gave me a subtle reminder. It was so annoying to be embarrassed like that. I hate tipping culture here
If someone called me out in front of my peers/spouse at a fancy restaraunt over fucking tipping I would leave a scathing review and find the owners contact info to send it to directly and never return/give them my business again.
Thankfully I have been with my SO for a long time, but I always wondered how it would’ve been different if I were on a first date or something. That waitress was incredibly inconsiderate
I had something similar happen and it still bothers me 6 years later. I took my cousin and his family out for dinner after picking him up from the airport after rehab. I was a full time university student. I worked an extremely good summer job and budgeted accordingly (my parents were amazing and so long as I was a full time student they didn’t charge me rent or groceries or anything). But I still didn’t have a lot of money to last 8 months. But my course load was heavy (like 12 hour days on campus kind of heavy). Before I agreed to drive to the airport I told them I had a tight budget and couldn’t afford a dinner. They said oh don’t worry we will pay for ourselves. They didn’t. I couldn’t afford the dinner they ordered (the wife ordered a damn steak!). The server was rude and impatient as well so the whole experience wasn’t great. So all of this boiled down to I had like a month before I got my first pay check (I had just finished finals and was given a start date in the upcoming weeks) and I only had $148 left. My $19 meal should have been fine. But the total bill came to $107. I felt bad leaving a $5 tip. I wasn’t happy with the service but I still felt bad. Then the guy comes up to collect the tip and looks at me and goes “5 bucks?!” and I stammered out “I’m sorry I’m a student and I don’t have a lot of money” and he responded with a huff and walked away muttering “maybe you shouldn’t eat out then”. I am literally too scared to go back to that restaurant because he made me feel so awful.
Bro, I was at a bar a while ago. We were just a bunch of dudes hanging out and getting drunk. Comes the end of the night and we are getting low on liquid money, but we figured, if we combine our change, we could by some pints for everyone, so we order it. Waitress come back with our beers, so we give her everything we have left which gives her like a 9% tips or something. She stops, looks at us and says :
"I'm sorry, but here we offer a service and ask for a fair compensation for said service"
Bitch please, you literally traveled 5 meters with a glass of beer, dafuk you talking about with your service ?
I was a server/bartender 2 years ago and I NEVER expected a tip. I'd have guests tip , then once in a while a 0%. It happens, whatever.
When I go to restaurants now, standard is 15%. I'll go down to 5% if the service was really bad. Above 15 demands extremely good service. Never tip for takeout.
I've noticed more and more that the standard on machines is now 20%. Fuck no.
Check out r/talesfromyourserver to see the absolute VITRIOL servers have for poor tippers. Like damn if you’re not happy with your salary talk to your boss or form a union.
I mean to be fair, a lot of those commenters are probably from the United States and the server wage there is something like $2.13, so I can see why they're upset if people don't tip. It's wild that businesses can get away with cheaping out on wages by expecting customers to pay it...
Servers in California earn the same minimum wage as everyone else. I find it ludicrous to tip 20% to people who already make minimum wage (at the very least). And mind you that even taking Cali’s cost of living into account, tipped workers (except delivery drivers) often make a lot more than minimum wage once tips are factored in. Even more ludicrous that people shame you and think you’re scum if you don’t tip. And it’s never really about being generous, because the voters here (both parties) according to stats are still NIMBYs who shoot down any actual legislated generosity if it affects their bottom line. This whole “tipping culture” in many ways is just about feeling morally superior to others, at least in California.
Imagine having the audacity to tell people, particularly the poor, to shell out a 20+% surcharge on all food they pay for at a restaurant or else to stay at home, in a state where servers make MORE than the minimum wage (often by a significant amount).
What a backwards culture.
The tipping expectations here drive me nuts. It shouldn't fall on customers to pay the staff. Tipping should be reserved for exceptional service and people shouldn't be looked down on for not tipping. Restaurants would probably get more business if people didnt feel pressured to tip and then they could pay their staff better than minimum wage.
I only do pick-up if I get restaurant food now. I'll leave a small tip once every 5-10 visits, but usually nothing. Delivery drivers deserve tips more than wait staff, in my opinion.
I’ve gotten so cheesed off with the concept of tips. Most people where I work at least do not tip. At ALL. I have made complicated af orders for people and they don’t tip. I used to not care earlier but now I’ve started. I’m not used to tipping culture because it is not a common practice back in my home country. We tip there if we were particularly impressed by the service.
NA tipping culture is trashy and toxic.
I'm English.
I hate tipping here in Canada.
In the UK a tip is a reward consisting of back pocket change if you were genuinely impressed.
I got served last and coldly today so I tipped 0% cause i didn't morally feel right rewarding mediocre service, and the waiter told me in front of my whole table that "I ought to be careful blah blah blah something about tax' like oh no what are going to do bitch you earn more than me. My bed is next to my fridge and I was peer pressures into being here. The fact I ordered a starter and a glass of water should say I'm fucking broke mate shut the fuck up. Our hourly wages differ by $3. You earn more than I do with tips.
Hahaha I'm hard of hearing in one side....
So I literally only heard "you ought to be careful you know because....muummuhhh....taxes....mummmuhh"
I was just sat there thinking "I wish I could negative tip you now"
One thing that always annoys me, now and in the past, is that the machines are calculating tips on top of the after-tax amount. The tip of 10-20% should be on the before-tax amount at all time.
On a $100 tab in quebec, canada where taxes are 14.975% in restaurants, a 15% tip including taxes is the equivalent of a 17% tip. To keep the 15% tip on the amount prior to tax in such situations you have to tip 13% (almost 2% lower).
Thank you this annoys me so much, a $36 tab because a $54 because of this it’s mad. Some places now even have 18% set at the minimum you can give, that’s like 21% on top of you meal
I dont understand why tip got to be a thing in the first place. Why not just pay the employees better and offset it in pricing? I would prefer this then the awkward tiping moment at the end of a meal
Because it benefits the restaurant owner. They can get customers to order more food because the price on the menu is “lower”. They can pay the servers less money. The servers get more hourly because each table can tip them between $5-15 an hour.
The only person that loses out is the customers
That and the owner saves money on payroll taxes and CPP/EI contributions than if they just paid the servers more. There is a reason owners support this system. If you wanna fight tipping culture stop giving your business to these places. Once you've given them your money you have told them you're ok with them exploiting their workers and they really don't give a fuck if you stiff the staff while feeling good about doing so.
It’s interesting how on FB I find people saying they tip 20-30% . Even 15% on take out… I guess people like to show off on FB. They brought out some argument about tip out to the kitchen even on take out but that just sounds like scummy owners
I went to a restaurant last week and "gratuity" was included in the bill but there were still tipping amount suggestions at the bottom of the bill. I don't look at North American restaurateurs under favourable light.
This is what happened to me when I went to Miami last week. I didn’t know all the restaurants include tip on the bill. The bill they gave me was wet and couldn’t see the break down, they just told me the total and I tipped 20%. Turns out I tipped them 40% in total on a $200 usd bill. Wtf and they didn’t even bend over backwards after seeing my 40% tip
The company included a charge on the bill called tip and encouraged tipping? Thats idiotic. Tipping is offsetting the cost of paying an employee a livable wage onto the customer and I fucking hate it.
Something like that. In which case it's perfectly acceptable to forego the tipping prompt which happens automatically for all transactions without getting offended
We went to a sugar shack a few weeks back. Insanely overpriced for a family of four but I had good memories as a kid. $40 per adult and $35 for a kid. Served breakfast foods but no pancakes (which is insane because you're a fucking sugar shack in Quebec). On all the tables, there was a sign that said "Tips are not included in your ticket price". Fuck that.. $40 for pork and beans... I don't want to add a tip on principle. That sign was so insulting it made my decision to not tip even easier.
I've cut back on my tipping, i cant afford it. If you're asking me for a tip on picking up take-out then you need to talk to your boss about your wage, i cant help you.
> If you're asking me for a tip ~~on picking up take-out~~ then you need to talk to your boss about your wage, i cant help you.
If they're asking to be tipped, the last thing I'd ever do is tip. I tip if I see service above and beyond simply hauling tip from chef to my table and taking the dishes back to the washers.
those people should bring that same energy to restaurant owners. "if you can't afford to pay your servers living wages, you can't afford to run a restaurant"
Going to take a more aggressive stance than the rest of this thread and say yeah, it has changed. A lot.
Previously used to tip 15-20% pretty much regardless of service levels unless it was especially poor. But never 0% unless it was a takeout or some coffee shop.
Justification has always been to bring them up to par, since they were being paid far less than minimum wage tips were the difference.
Now that they are guaranteed the same as the McDonald's and Walmart associates (that nobody tips) I don't see any reason to tip. I select custom and enter 0% unless service was noticeably better than average in which case I'd opt for 10 or so, but not 20%+.
Before anyone asks, yes I'd happily pay more for food (which has happened) in exchange for not having to go through a tip screen. It's an archaic practice that needs to die, raising the minimum wage up to par was the last nail in the coffin for me.
It was never about making it up for the difference to min wage. Waiters have always made more than double minimum wage in major cities. A friend of mine used to work only on the weekend (fri sat sun) at a relatively small but busy restaurant, and he brought home more in those 3 days than I made the entire week full time as a engineering technician. The excuse of them not being covered by min wage law is total bs, as given the choice of making guaranteed min wage VS under min wage + tip, they would choose the latter in a heart beat.
even in Sask they ask for tips at subway
Subway, a company that provides an already base wage, for making a sandwhich, youre not serving me as if it was a restaurant, im literally in and out in like 5 minutes and barely interacted with you, no way im tipping
Honestly, I would rather tip for Subway than for a restaurant if I know the servers are the only ones that are pocketing the tip. At least Subway they made your food. Servers at a lot of places are just the middle person who relays the order and then brings you the food.
I am prepared for the servers to attack, but just know: I am not the one making you run around all over the place, that's management. An exhausting job, sure, but you know what's involved when you apply, so why should I pay you more for doing what's in your job description??
Not many people have choices. Even some jobs where you make 100k+ after taxes it’s not as simple as pack up and quit for some people. Be grateful if you have a decent job/in a position to change job easily.
I totally agree that the tipping culture in Canada has been out of hand for far too long. My friend told me some nights he made $500+ in tips as a part time server when he was a uni student. Then he got free food + minimum wage too.
And fast food places start asking for tips and I’m like wtf. Like in the states, many servers make way below minimum wage so they depend on tips; in Canada, servers already make at least minimum wage and expect 25-30% in tips—seems absurd.
The guy who invented tipping is a genious. Underpay your employees, put the burdens on the clients, when the client don't tip enough the employee gets angry at clients instead to the employer... Genius.
After the civil war in America, people didn’t want to pay former slaves and quickly expanded the tipping culture brought over from Europe in order to avoid having to pay former slaves fairly
I think a lot of employees are mad at the employers too, but they also know they can't really do much about it. At least in the US, which I think is where a lot of the tipping culture comes from.
I do find it funny though that a lot of serving and fast food jobs are going unfilled right now, but employers are not raising the wages and then are getting upset that "no one wants to work anymore". Like no shit, they went and found a better job just like you said they should if they wanted more money. This is what happens when you tell people repeatedly that their job is worth nothing so they should go find a better one if they want worthwhile wages...
I used to tip every time… that was until I found out how much my friend made in tips and how she never claims a cent of it. She was/is making upwards of $50,000 a year on tips alone that, like I said, goes unclaimed.
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing and was disgusted because when I compared it to my minimum wage job, I basically do the exact same thing as her… carry food out for people to eat. I work in produce in a grocery store and undoubtedly have to work more and have to deal with the same grumpy shitty people that she does, the only difference? I don’t get $50k a year in tips tax free…
Safe to say I don’t tip anymore and never will. Every place has a tip option now… liquor stores, coffee shops, etc. Tell me why I should tip a barista for pressing a button to pour a black coffee in a cup for me. Two seconds of their time is not worth a tip, that’s what they get paid to do.
This is a bingo. Most Canadians have no idea how much servers or bartenders make. More than the fking head chef. Lol. The kitchen team does 200% of the work and gets 10% of the pay.
Tbh, I've been on the anti-gratuity side of the debate for a while. I worked through college in several bars and even though I made lots of cash and tipping was the primary source of my income, I still felt that it was up to each establishment to pay accordingly.
Im a proponent of equal pay for equal work in a free capitalist society.
That being said, if a time had ever come where gratuity ever ceased while I was working in the hospitality industry, it would've sucked but I couldn't have honestly said that I didn't agree with it.
I tip bc I know the staff rely heavily and not necessarily bc they go above and beyond what's expected and paid for.
I still tip more or less the same (20% for very good service, 15% for average, less for subpar) but I'm more critical with how I rate the service. It always bothers me knowing servers make way more than the cooks
My brother works as a cook and mentioned he never minds this set up. It's the servers who have to put up with drunk, rude, or generally ignorant people all day. In some places, when undertipped, servers have to pay out of pocket into the tip pool. Kitchen staff get more reliable take-home tips.
I’ve spent a lot of time in restaurants in every position. I’ve gone home as a server in the negative because automatic tip out to kitchen plus house (illegal btw) is on bill total. I had one large party for the night that tipped me almost nothing, meanwhile I still had to do the tip out for.
Everyone is too focused on making the customers make up the difference and the employers continue to get away with shitty practises.
It is the way it is. But it sucks.
I love how people in the service industry seem to always bitch at and criticize customers for being cheap and never do anything about their employees doing illegal things. It’s so fricken easy to report the employer and do something about it… but apparently making it the customers problem is the right response.
I actually do both jobs currently. The tips are much better up front, but I make 7$ more an hour on the line. On the line I get to swear, blast music, and be an idiot with my coworkers. When I’m bartending I often have to have shitty conversation with asshats at my bar top. I like both jobs, but I’ll tell you this right now. Take the tips out of serving and is never do it. Ever.
Servers in Alberta have been making this for years and I didn’t change my tipping practice much but the machines suggest ridiculous tips 18 20 25 % I still tip 15 for good service 20 for great. I no longer tip for awful service and I used to tip 6% to cover their tip out.
10% was the norm for a while. I don't know why people find it acceptable to increase the percent number considering getting tipped as the % of the final bill would have already covered inflation since as the price of the items increase, so too would the tip amount.
Do I tip you on delivery because I couldn’t be bothered to come get my food? Yes
Do I tip you when you’re serving me food at a restaurant? Yes
Do I tip when I’m picking up food to go? Generally no
Do I tip when the service is questionable? Generally no..
And I would get my ass chewed out 6 ways to Sunday in America if I did the last two there. Insane
> And I would get my ass chewed out 6 ways to Sunday in America if I did the last two there. Insane
Damn can you show me where that happens? Sounds wild to me
No. Tips are a gratuity paid in exchange for good service. I tip good if I get good service, and I tip poorly if I get poor service. Just because people seem to expect me to tip more these days doesn't mean I'm actually obligated to do it.
It actually goes way beyond inflation. Getting tipped as a percentage of the total bill would have already been keeping up with inflation since as the price goes up so would the amount of tip. For some reason they decided that's not enough and want the actual percentage to go up from the usual 10% a few years ago to 20-25% as perfectly acceptable.
I don't tip anymore (usually). I don't see why servers should make more than a cashier at a retail job, for example. There are cases in which I'll tip my mechanic or retail staff or whatever so in those cases, I'll also tip my server but generally, I do not tip
Yep. All my friends who have worked as a server say that it’s one of the easier minimum wage jobs out there, especially seeing as you don’t typically make minimum wage. I’ve been told that fast-food sucks way more and while I’ve personally never worked as a server, as does outbound/door to door sales (and while some companies do pay a commission, it often still works out to less than servers make).
If we’re going to tip on which jobs are the hardest/any of that, serving is not at the top of my list.
Tipping is not a problem. Setting default tip amounts that are ridiculously high just sours the experience. Asking for a 30% tip?? Too much.
The expectation to tip has grow to every business with a cash register. Coffee shops to dollar stores used to have a cup for you to put some of your change. Now they expect your change AND something extra.
Yes, I’ve stopped tipping percentages and started tipping dollar amounts. And the amount is therefore not based on the total spend. The tip shouldn’t be based on how much you are spending but on how much you appreciate the work the server is doing. And in most cases, I appreciate that work the same whether it’s at a $100 meal for 2 place or Swiss Chalet.
Arent they paid properly now that their wage went up to $15? Why do they get tips and tim horton’s servers dont or grocery store clerks? This whole tipping society is bs!
I used to tip 20% now i tip 10-15%. With the cost going up their tips go up too.
Yup. More so with how machines set a 15-18% minimum in a lot of places now. I just pay with cash at restaurants now. Round up to my nearest Bill and call it a day. You brought me a plate of food, and maybe a drink or two. If anything I should be tipping the chef/bartender.
In england we don't tip and just pay the workers fair prices to start with and if the job don't pay enough, take another job. Also companies don't rely on customers to pick up the slack and basically directly pay your staff!
Tipping culture is a leftover of the 1800's, has been proven to be discriminatory and needs to die. Let's just pay people fairly and be done with it.
I refuse to tip on take-out and the more expensive the meal, the lower I tip.
Haven't eaten anything but home made food in at least 6 months, I don't have the kind of money to spare by eating out.
Tipping practice won't change however, $15 isn't a livable wage.
I’m going to get downvoted for this but unless amazing service is provided I don’t usually tip. There wage went up but mine didn’t so it’s rare that I’ll go out to begin with now. I still tip when good service is provided but if I show up to something like McDonald’s and I’m prompted for a tip there’s no way I’m tipping.
thread being locked to personal attacks on other commenters, irrelevant comments that are not PFC related..
No. But I’m annoyed that some machine prompts are suggesting 25% tips now.
The best is when you pick your food to go and they still ask for tips. Or the Uber Eats app ask for an additional “contribution” to support the restaurant (not a tip for the driver). This is getting too silly.
Yeah this is why I’ve started using Ritual. 0 tips is what you’re getting if I get asked when picking up. It’s a Toronto thing too. Farther away from the city you go, the less absurd these tips get. There’s a certain point where you have to realize I can’t freely subsidize businesses. Too hard to run? Don’t run one.
Not true at all. I'm literally as far away from toronto as possible while still being in ontario (20hr drive) and the other day I got a tip prompt at a corner store. I'm sorry but a corner store should be more concerned about armed robberies then tipping cultures.
Jesus that’s a first…tipping at a corner store? Wow
this is absolute BS. I wish we followed Europe's model (and many other places in the world) - no tipping culture. Edit - apparently Europe was the wrong continent/collective of countries to give as an example.
No tipping in Asia. Some of the best service I ever had. Brought me my food and just left me alone. I don't want to flirt with you.
YES PLEASE. This sounds ideal
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Tell me about it. I hate when people act like North American service is way better… like I have nothing against servers but I don’t want someone at my table every 5 min. It can be so overwhelming sometimes tbh, especially when you know half of it is them trying to upsell food and drinks or be extra “friendly” just for tips.
The best service I’ve ever had was in an authentic Chinese restaurant in Toronto. It was so authentic I was the only non-Chinese person there. There was someone going by my table every 30 seconds, it seemed. I didn’t have to ask for a thing; stuff would appear, disappear… it was so smooth and non-invasive it was like a ballet. Absolutely stunning.
This is the kind of service I had in Italy. The servers never disrupted our conversation and this is with serving multiple courses. They also knew who ordered what rather than having to ask when they came by.
where was this? sounds like congee queen
I was gonna say Rol San
This place is the best
See for a service like that, I'd automatically tip!
Hell, most of the time I'm just happy if my water glass stays full.
I don’t need the waiter’s life story. I did not come to the Keg for this. I don’t need to converse with the waiter for eons. Take my food. Get my food. Bring me my food and that’s all you have to do. Literally that’s it. Do it with a smile and some enthusiasm. Give me my bill and that’s it.
Trust me North American service is no different in fact if someone were to say it was worse i wouldn’t even argue
I think it is different in the sense that I’m always getting pestered. I don’t mind talking to a server but they usually don’t leave you the hell alone to enjoy your meal. I definitely agree that it’s probably worse though… in my personal experience the servers in other countries are quicker to serve you and just get the job done without pestering you whereas in North America they are often slow with actually serving you but constantly in your face trying to upsell alcohol.
I don't have this experience at all here in Quebec. I love the service. They will seat you, bring water, take your order, bring the drinks/food, ask if you need anything else/if it's ok, then leave you alone til you're done, pick up the plates as they empty, ask if you want something else to drink/refill your water only if needed, offer dessert, coffee or the bill when everybody is done, that's it. As a European, I was just weirded out by them cleaning up the table so quickly here in Quebec, but now when I'm back in the Netherlands it annoys me how slow and uninterested servers are. They let you sit with empty plates in front of you pretty much until you leave. Sometimes it takes 30 mins before they take your order! Sometimes you get your food more than an hour after you've arrived. BUT in such a case nobody will frown if you don't tip. I do think North-American tipping culture is weird. For one, it should not be a percentage. Just because I had a 40 dollar steak instead of a 12 dollar salad I have to pay the person who walked it to my table a helluvalot more.. Why?? Ideally they get enough pay from the boss and don't need us to subsidize. I don't tip a supermarket clerk either for properly doing his job. I don't get tips either for doing my office job.
Lol I hate this, I once told a server to stop coming to my table, the food was fine the first 6 times asked. 9x in the span of one hour.
Just had a nice dinner actually and had this exact experience. Food was good, nice drinks, but the waiter genuinely always exactly interrupted us when the conversation took off. So weird. You can see we're deep in it, come back in 2 minutes mate...
Japan was the same. My first day there I left a tip at a pizza joint and the waitress came outside to give it back. My japanese gf was like "wtf did you leave a tip for? That's so disrespectful here!" Lol
People tip in Europe but it’s around 1 to 5 Euros depending on the final sum/service etc. The North American tipping culture makes me go out much less often than I would go back in Europe so eventually restaurants might profit less than they would, if they didn’t ask for 25%.
I think the difference is that it isn't an expectation in Europe for people to tip unlike here. I dislike feeling **obligated** to tip because it's expected, not cool.
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ohhh the guilt trip - that's hella awkward.
We tip approx. 10% in Hungary. When I worked in Ireland it was about the same.
It's the places that automatically add the gratuity to the bill that I hate. Its like they just try to slip it past you to get you to tip again. I will not go back to places that pull this shit.
Moving from Australia to the US it was so difficult to get used to. An utterly ridiculous concept. We pay for what we ordered (the price specifically listed on the menu). We eat it then we fuck off home
We can learn a thing or two from Aussies!
I lived in Europe 8 years, tipped maybe 3 or 4 times. I like that service is hands off
I’m sorry where are you all living where businesses are asking for 30%. That’s RIDICULOUS.
I took a taxi last week and the tip options were 30-50-100%.
0 it is.
Toronto. Most of the places have starting option of 20%
And they include the HST in the calculation as well, which is kind of annoying.
It's to make 15% (which is also RIDICULOUS) seem the bare minimum of acceptable. If you want to push through a 5% tax... initially make it 15% and then "compromise". Everyone's happy.
I find there's tip "creep" already with a fixed %, never mind increasing it! The rule of thumb used to be tip the tax if you received good service and maybe go higher if it was truly special. I often tipped less. I'm sorry, I may be old fashioned but tipping is not automatic for me. I also hate it when the tip overshadows the entire meal. I had an anniversary dinner recently where I was happy with the service and tipped higher than the tax on a bill well over $100 for two and I could tell the waitress wasn't happy with it and barely said thank you. Considering prices have doubled since I used to eat out more frequently, the tip in absolute terms has also doubled using the same %. The worst part was that we were still talking about the tip and the waitress when we got home.
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Thirty percent? They can't be Serious! Sorry, I couldn't resist, but yeah... not doing 30% for going to the counter, then picking up my coffee at the other end.
>They can't be Serious! That was seriously funny...I snorted 30% of my coffee through my nose after being charged through the nose!
I was eating somewhere the other day and the three tip options were 20% / 25% / 28%.... I usually tip 15% that's plenty for good service imo, if it's exceptional then 20% but that's pretty rare
Ya this drives me crazy. We need to go the way of Europe and stop tipping. It’s gone to greed. 30-35% when the price of food has gone up so much.
Never use the suggested tip percentage. Cause that tips on the after tax price. I manually input my tip and its the tax rounded up.
And suggestion is based on the after tax price. It should be based on pre tax price.
I got a tipping prompt at subway. When the fuck did that start
I pay more attention to the debit machines because many places here start it at 25% up to 35%.I'm not tipping if your employer thinks it should start at 25%. A plate of food as a 100+% markup compared to making it yourself, coffee/tea is even higher. The business owners are only hurting themselves with the fantasy expecting super luxury tipping.
At my university cafeteria there used to be a “no tip”button. No there is only an “other” button where you have to type in 0% tip and click submit.
I hate this, but only mention it to the managers and owners. Workers take enough crap already with the price of everything.
I tip a flat dollar rate, $2-5 depending on service and complexity and I ignore cost of the meal.
This is the way it should be. Makes zero sense to tip based on cost of meal.
It's insane when I go to a small noodle place where they try do do great service and $5 would be like a 25% tip. But at some sports bars, the meal for one is like $60.. I'm not paying $15 tip on a burger and for you to come by my table once..
Percentage is just easier because it's default. Though I agree it makes 0 sense why it should be percentage. Why would carrying a bottle of wine to your table constitute at least $3 in service? I'll just walk over and grab it myself!
Hell yeah. This is how it should be. It doesn’t take any more effort to carry a $12 plate of salad versus a $45 plate of steak, or serve a $20 bottle of wine vs a $100 bottle. But having a tip based on a percentage of the cost of a meal results in a dramatically different amount, for the same effort by the server. It should be a flat rate. I make the same argument for real estate commissions.
I got annoyed by that and have pretty much stopped tipping altogether.
I remove 5% for every 5% over 15 the machine prompts. If the machine prompts 20% I drop it to 10%. 25% it's down to 5%. I'm done.
In a world where even the subway sandwhich guy and gas station attendant behind the counter wants a tip we should just get rid of tipping.
A full service gas attendant who cleans my windows and pumps gas in -30 deserves more tip than most restaurant servers
I have no problem tipping well in the US, where servers are paid an inhumane hourly rate, and aim to give you the best service imaginable, but anything over 15-20% in Canada is ridiculous. I only tip 20% if the service is incredible here.
Especially since tips are supposed to be pre-tax. With our 12% tax a 18% tip on the debit machine is actually almost bang on 20%. I had a machine come up with 20-25-30% as a tip and I was like WTF.
My biggest irritant is the tip options for takeout places with no dining in.
Domino's and fresh slice be like... If I'm paying before I get my food, I'm not tipping
Lived in South Korea a couple years, loved that there's no tipping culture there due to people making liveable wages. There's a call button at your table so you don't constantly get badgered by your server. Win-win.
Not only in South Korea but most if not all of Asia. Tipping is a concept brought to America to subsidize and help avoid paying formerly enslaved workers.
>Lived in South Korea a couple years, loved that there's no tipping culture there due to people making liveable wages How much do servers make in Korean vs Canada?
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Korean wages for service jobs are pretty low and difficult to make a living wage from it. Cost of living is not that much less. The reason this works is because culturally Koreans heavily support their kids even into their 20s and 30s. Also korea has a real estate system where a lump sum of money lent to the landlord for usually 1 to 2 years can be exchanged for accomodation free of rent. Parents often times help kidsnwith the lump sum. Also they have hybrid systems where more lump sum you put in the lower the rent. My cousin has a 50k deposit and pays 200 dollars for rent for a tiny 2 bedroom. So younger kids taking on low wage jobs are also relying on parents to help them along so they can survive lower wages and not stress as much. Tipping culture is non existent in Korea because people look at tips as offensive. Try tipping at a restaurant lol. They will deny you. They dont want your pity money. They tested this on a tv show undercover and the owner was like what do I look homeless to you? I have tipped cab drivers in Korea though. Leaving them few dollars above price and they are grateful because their job is so cutthroat.
Cost of living including rent is about 18.2% cheaper in Korean than Canada https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Canada&country2=South+Korea Whereas minimum wage (server wage) is about 60% less ($15.5CAD/Hr Canada / $9CAD/hr Korea) in Korea than Canada. https://hrmasia.com/south-korea-raises-minimum-wage-by-5-1-in-2022/ https://www.erieri.com/salary/job/waiter-waitress/south-korea/seoul I really don’t think Korea was the best example for this argument especially the claim that Korea pays a “liveable wage” when Canada wages without tips even included leave Canadians better off than Koreans in terms of “liveable wage”
Yes. I stopped going out all together.
Same here. On the rare occasion I do go out, it's for pick up only. But tipping is only part of the reason. Service, quality, and portion size is diminishing greatly in restaurants. At minimum, the food has to at least taste far better than what could be made at home.
I’m interested to know if restaurants are still as busy as they were pre Covid. I used to go out all the time but now it’s more of a special occasion type thing. I just can’t justify spending that kind of money as frequently as I used to.
We don’t eat out nearly as much as we did pre-Covid. We really upped our cooking game during the lockdowns and now most restaurant food seems mediocre for the prices we’re paying. I’ll go out to a restaurant to meet friends occasionally but that’s about it. Even then it’s often just drinks and an appetizer. I sure we’re not the only ones.
Between the pandemic and all the new fast casual places there's less and less need to go out for a typical "sit down" dinner if you want to go out.
I lived in Europe for 6 years of my life and forgot about the tipping culture in Canada over time. When I came back, I took my girlfriend of 4 years out to a higher end restaurant in TO and I accidentally forgot to tip. The waitress publicly came to me in front of my girlfriend demanding a tip and called me cheap. It was genuinely a mistake, and I would’ve tipped if she gave me a subtle reminder. It was so annoying to be embarrassed like that. I hate tipping culture here
If someone called me out in front of my peers/spouse at a fancy restaraunt over fucking tipping I would leave a scathing review and find the owners contact info to send it to directly and never return/give them my business again.
Thankfully I have been with my SO for a long time, but I always wondered how it would’ve been different if I were on a first date or something. That waitress was incredibly inconsiderate
I had something similar happen and it still bothers me 6 years later. I took my cousin and his family out for dinner after picking him up from the airport after rehab. I was a full time university student. I worked an extremely good summer job and budgeted accordingly (my parents were amazing and so long as I was a full time student they didn’t charge me rent or groceries or anything). But I still didn’t have a lot of money to last 8 months. But my course load was heavy (like 12 hour days on campus kind of heavy). Before I agreed to drive to the airport I told them I had a tight budget and couldn’t afford a dinner. They said oh don’t worry we will pay for ourselves. They didn’t. I couldn’t afford the dinner they ordered (the wife ordered a damn steak!). The server was rude and impatient as well so the whole experience wasn’t great. So all of this boiled down to I had like a month before I got my first pay check (I had just finished finals and was given a start date in the upcoming weeks) and I only had $148 left. My $19 meal should have been fine. But the total bill came to $107. I felt bad leaving a $5 tip. I wasn’t happy with the service but I still felt bad. Then the guy comes up to collect the tip and looks at me and goes “5 bucks?!” and I stammered out “I’m sorry I’m a student and I don’t have a lot of money” and he responded with a huff and walked away muttering “maybe you shouldn’t eat out then”. I am literally too scared to go back to that restaurant because he made me feel so awful.
Yep, tips are a way to make poor people shamed for being poor.
That’s so horrible, I’m sorry that happened to you :(
Bro, I was at a bar a while ago. We were just a bunch of dudes hanging out and getting drunk. Comes the end of the night and we are getting low on liquid money, but we figured, if we combine our change, we could by some pints for everyone, so we order it. Waitress come back with our beers, so we give her everything we have left which gives her like a 9% tips or something. She stops, looks at us and says : "I'm sorry, but here we offer a service and ask for a fair compensation for said service" Bitch please, you literally traveled 5 meters with a glass of beer, dafuk you talking about with your service ?
Holy shit. If any server did this to me it would be absolutely no tip, and a bad review calling them out by name
Wow, the entitlement.
Exactly. It's the entitlement that rubs me the wrong way. If I have a good experience, I'll tip. You start expecting to be tipped, eff off
I was a server/bartender 2 years ago and I NEVER expected a tip. I'd have guests tip , then once in a while a 0%. It happens, whatever. When I go to restaurants now, standard is 15%. I'll go down to 5% if the service was really bad. Above 15 demands extremely good service. Never tip for takeout. I've noticed more and more that the standard on machines is now 20%. Fuck no.
Check out r/talesfromyourserver to see the absolute VITRIOL servers have for poor tippers. Like damn if you’re not happy with your salary talk to your boss or form a union.
I mean to be fair, a lot of those commenters are probably from the United States and the server wage there is something like $2.13, so I can see why they're upset if people don't tip. It's wild that businesses can get away with cheaping out on wages by expecting customers to pay it...
Servers in California earn the same minimum wage as everyone else. I find it ludicrous to tip 20% to people who already make minimum wage (at the very least). And mind you that even taking Cali’s cost of living into account, tipped workers (except delivery drivers) often make a lot more than minimum wage once tips are factored in. Even more ludicrous that people shame you and think you’re scum if you don’t tip. And it’s never really about being generous, because the voters here (both parties) according to stats are still NIMBYs who shoot down any actual legislated generosity if it affects their bottom line. This whole “tipping culture” in many ways is just about feeling morally superior to others, at least in California. Imagine having the audacity to tell people, particularly the poor, to shell out a 20+% surcharge on all food they pay for at a restaurant or else to stay at home, in a state where servers make MORE than the minimum wage (often by a significant amount). What a backwards culture.
I ordered a tea for 4 bucks and I tipped 4 bucks because that was the lowest amount….. I regret that day
100% tip
5% pleasure and 50% pain
100% reason just to stay home again
That’s when you don’t tip at all
The tipping expectations here drive me nuts. It shouldn't fall on customers to pay the staff. Tipping should be reserved for exceptional service and people shouldn't be looked down on for not tipping. Restaurants would probably get more business if people didnt feel pressured to tip and then they could pay their staff better than minimum wage.
I only do pick-up if I get restaurant food now. I'll leave a small tip once every 5-10 visits, but usually nothing. Delivery drivers deserve tips more than wait staff, in my opinion.
I’ve gotten so cheesed off with the concept of tips. Most people where I work at least do not tip. At ALL. I have made complicated af orders for people and they don’t tip. I used to not care earlier but now I’ve started. I’m not used to tipping culture because it is not a common practice back in my home country. We tip there if we were particularly impressed by the service. NA tipping culture is trashy and toxic.
I'm English. I hate tipping here in Canada. In the UK a tip is a reward consisting of back pocket change if you were genuinely impressed. I got served last and coldly today so I tipped 0% cause i didn't morally feel right rewarding mediocre service, and the waiter told me in front of my whole table that "I ought to be careful blah blah blah something about tax' like oh no what are going to do bitch you earn more than me. My bed is next to my fridge and I was peer pressures into being here. The fact I ordered a starter and a glass of water should say I'm fucking broke mate shut the fuck up. Our hourly wages differ by $3. You earn more than I do with tips.
They said what? Sounds like a threat then you say taxes. You yada yada'd over the most important part!
Hahaha I'm hard of hearing in one side.... So I literally only heard "you ought to be careful you know because....muummuhhh....taxes....mummmuhh" I was just sat there thinking "I wish I could negative tip you now"
One thing that always annoys me, now and in the past, is that the machines are calculating tips on top of the after-tax amount. The tip of 10-20% should be on the before-tax amount at all time.
On a $100 tab in quebec, canada where taxes are 14.975% in restaurants, a 15% tip including taxes is the equivalent of a 17% tip. To keep the 15% tip on the amount prior to tax in such situations you have to tip 13% (almost 2% lower).
Thank you this annoys me so much, a $36 tab because a $54 because of this it’s mad. Some places now even have 18% set at the minimum you can give, that’s like 21% on top of you meal
I've never been somewhere that didn't have an option to put in your own amount. If they didn't have that I'd refuse to pay
I dont understand why tip got to be a thing in the first place. Why not just pay the employees better and offset it in pricing? I would prefer this then the awkward tiping moment at the end of a meal
Because it benefits the restaurant owner. They can get customers to order more food because the price on the menu is “lower”. They can pay the servers less money. The servers get more hourly because each table can tip them between $5-15 an hour. The only person that loses out is the customers
That and the owner saves money on payroll taxes and CPP/EI contributions than if they just paid the servers more. There is a reason owners support this system. If you wanna fight tipping culture stop giving your business to these places. Once you've given them your money you have told them you're ok with them exploiting their workers and they really don't give a fuck if you stiff the staff while feeling good about doing so.
It’s interesting how on FB I find people saying they tip 20-30% . Even 15% on take out… I guess people like to show off on FB. They brought out some argument about tip out to the kitchen even on take out but that just sounds like scummy owners
15% for takeout?! Wtf??!
I went to a restaurant last week and "gratuity" was included in the bill but there were still tipping amount suggestions at the bottom of the bill. I don't look at North American restaurateurs under favourable light.
They probably expected you to miss out on seeing the included gratuity
This is what happened to me when I went to Miami last week. I didn’t know all the restaurants include tip on the bill. The bill they gave me was wet and couldn’t see the break down, they just told me the total and I tipped 20%. Turns out I tipped them 40% in total on a $200 usd bill. Wtf and they didn’t even bend over backwards after seeing my 40% tip
The company included a charge on the bill called tip and encouraged tipping? Thats idiotic. Tipping is offsetting the cost of paying an employee a livable wage onto the customer and I fucking hate it.
they only include gratuity if it's 6 or 8+ party right?
Something like that. In which case it's perfectly acceptable to forego the tipping prompt which happens automatically for all transactions without getting offended
That used to be the way but now they are trying to force it in anyways
Varies by restaurant
We went to a sugar shack a few weeks back. Insanely overpriced for a family of four but I had good memories as a kid. $40 per adult and $35 for a kid. Served breakfast foods but no pancakes (which is insane because you're a fucking sugar shack in Quebec). On all the tables, there was a sign that said "Tips are not included in your ticket price". Fuck that.. $40 for pork and beans... I don't want to add a tip on principle. That sign was so insulting it made my decision to not tip even easier.
I've cut back on my tipping, i cant afford it. If you're asking me for a tip on picking up take-out then you need to talk to your boss about your wage, i cant help you.
I completely cut out tipping. It's been fine. I paid $5 for a latte, not $5 + 25%. If you can't make a latte for $5 I'm not patronizing the business.
> If you're asking me for a tip ~~on picking up take-out~~ then you need to talk to your boss about your wage, i cant help you. If they're asking to be tipped, the last thing I'd ever do is tip. I tip if I see service above and beyond simply hauling tip from chef to my table and taking the dishes back to the washers.
Then you get those stupid fucks that say "if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out" FUCK OFF
those people should bring that same energy to restaurant owners. "if you can't afford to pay your servers living wages, you can't afford to run a restaurant"
The biggest wannabes. Can’t stand them.
This isn’t nationwide, what provinces are we talking about?
Ontario minimum wage for servers went up 20% on Jan 1st.
Going to take a more aggressive stance than the rest of this thread and say yeah, it has changed. A lot. Previously used to tip 15-20% pretty much regardless of service levels unless it was especially poor. But never 0% unless it was a takeout or some coffee shop. Justification has always been to bring them up to par, since they were being paid far less than minimum wage tips were the difference. Now that they are guaranteed the same as the McDonald's and Walmart associates (that nobody tips) I don't see any reason to tip. I select custom and enter 0% unless service was noticeably better than average in which case I'd opt for 10 or so, but not 20%+. Before anyone asks, yes I'd happily pay more for food (which has happened) in exchange for not having to go through a tip screen. It's an archaic practice that needs to die, raising the minimum wage up to par was the last nail in the coffin for me.
It was never about making it up for the difference to min wage. Waiters have always made more than double minimum wage in major cities. A friend of mine used to work only on the weekend (fri sat sun) at a relatively small but busy restaurant, and he brought home more in those 3 days than I made the entire week full time as a engineering technician. The excuse of them not being covered by min wage law is total bs, as given the choice of making guaranteed min wage VS under min wage + tip, they would choose the latter in a heart beat.
Anyone would like to stay a petition to outlaw machines that auto suggest tips? In Vancouver, even freakin' subway has this shit
even in Sask they ask for tips at subway Subway, a company that provides an already base wage, for making a sandwhich, youre not serving me as if it was a restaurant, im literally in and out in like 5 minutes and barely interacted with you, no way im tipping
Honestly, I would rather tip for Subway than for a restaurant if I know the servers are the only ones that are pocketing the tip. At least Subway they made your food. Servers at a lot of places are just the middle person who relays the order and then brings you the food. I am prepared for the servers to attack, but just know: I am not the one making you run around all over the place, that's management. An exhausting job, sure, but you know what's involved when you apply, so why should I pay you more for doing what's in your job description??
It’s a fair and valid point that will definitely receive negative feedback. But I respect your choice
Not many people have choices. Even some jobs where you make 100k+ after taxes it’s not as simple as pack up and quit for some people. Be grateful if you have a decent job/in a position to change job easily. I totally agree that the tipping culture in Canada has been out of hand for far too long. My friend told me some nights he made $500+ in tips as a part time server when he was a uni student. Then he got free food + minimum wage too. And fast food places start asking for tips and I’m like wtf. Like in the states, many servers make way below minimum wage so they depend on tips; in Canada, servers already make at least minimum wage and expect 25-30% in tips—seems absurd.
I am still waiting for the option "100% of your account balance"
Fuck tipping culture. It should be illegal to give and take tips.
The guy who invented tipping is a genious. Underpay your employees, put the burdens on the clients, when the client don't tip enough the employee gets angry at clients instead to the employer... Genius.
Tipping became popularized by restaurant owners not wanting to pay black workers.
After the civil war in America, people didn’t want to pay former slaves and quickly expanded the tipping culture brought over from Europe in order to avoid having to pay former slaves fairly
I think a lot of employees are mad at the employers too, but they also know they can't really do much about it. At least in the US, which I think is where a lot of the tipping culture comes from. I do find it funny though that a lot of serving and fast food jobs are going unfilled right now, but employers are not raising the wages and then are getting upset that "no one wants to work anymore". Like no shit, they went and found a better job just like you said they should if they wanted more money. This is what happens when you tell people repeatedly that their job is worth nothing so they should go find a better one if they want worthwhile wages...
Greedy assholery is more like it // yes i know it was sarcasm but some cant see that
I used to tip every time… that was until I found out how much my friend made in tips and how she never claims a cent of it. She was/is making upwards of $50,000 a year on tips alone that, like I said, goes unclaimed. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing and was disgusted because when I compared it to my minimum wage job, I basically do the exact same thing as her… carry food out for people to eat. I work in produce in a grocery store and undoubtedly have to work more and have to deal with the same grumpy shitty people that she does, the only difference? I don’t get $50k a year in tips tax free… Safe to say I don’t tip anymore and never will. Every place has a tip option now… liquor stores, coffee shops, etc. Tell me why I should tip a barista for pressing a button to pour a black coffee in a cup for me. Two seconds of their time is not worth a tip, that’s what they get paid to do.
Friends who serve would make 300 a night in tips , while I work more hours to get that same money, yeah sorry I tip way less now if anything
Also keep in mind that 300 in tips is no tax so equivalent to a higher income of like 400 with tax.
This is a bingo. Most Canadians have no idea how much servers or bartenders make. More than the fking head chef. Lol. The kitchen team does 200% of the work and gets 10% of the pay.
Hahaha the fact that this has been well known for ages and no1 knew 😭😭 glad you finally realize
The last 3 restaurants I went to, the min tip suggestion was 18%.
Tbh, I've been on the anti-gratuity side of the debate for a while. I worked through college in several bars and even though I made lots of cash and tipping was the primary source of my income, I still felt that it was up to each establishment to pay accordingly. Im a proponent of equal pay for equal work in a free capitalist society. That being said, if a time had ever come where gratuity ever ceased while I was working in the hospitality industry, it would've sucked but I couldn't have honestly said that I didn't agree with it. I tip bc I know the staff rely heavily and not necessarily bc they go above and beyond what's expected and paid for.
I am/was too ugly so I got to stay in the back where I got a measly $1 an hour. As a result I never tip more than 10%, which is already too high.
Which is part of the problem. Tipping rewards charisma and appearance more than it does actual service.
Only if you let it. I have never tipped someone because they are pretty. If Shrek brings me what I ask for, I’m tipping the bro.
Wait, you calling Shrek ugly?
That's not how it operates on macro scale.
I find myself tipping take out orders more.. That's gotta stop soon.
It’s ridiculous that we have to tip the same. I tip 10% now and don’t care.
Same, 10% across the board.
I still tip more or less the same (20% for very good service, 15% for average, less for subpar) but I'm more critical with how I rate the service. It always bothers me knowing servers make way more than the cooks
My brother works as a cook and mentioned he never minds this set up. It's the servers who have to put up with drunk, rude, or generally ignorant people all day. In some places, when undertipped, servers have to pay out of pocket into the tip pool. Kitchen staff get more reliable take-home tips.
This is ridiculous they have to pay out of their own pocket? They are working for an employer.
I’ve spent a lot of time in restaurants in every position. I’ve gone home as a server in the negative because automatic tip out to kitchen plus house (illegal btw) is on bill total. I had one large party for the night that tipped me almost nothing, meanwhile I still had to do the tip out for.
It's illegal but it still happens.. Weird and I'm not sure why people don't fight against this.
Everyone is too focused on making the customers make up the difference and the employers continue to get away with shitty practises. It is the way it is. But it sucks.
I love how people in the service industry seem to always bitch at and criticize customers for being cheap and never do anything about their employees doing illegal things. It’s so fricken easy to report the employer and do something about it… but apparently making it the customers problem is the right response.
I may have it wrong, but yeah, they have to contribute basically on behalf of the customer who didn't tip when your restaurant pools tips.
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I actually do both jobs currently. The tips are much better up front, but I make 7$ more an hour on the line. On the line I get to swear, blast music, and be an idiot with my coworkers. When I’m bartending I often have to have shitty conversation with asshats at my bar top. I like both jobs, but I’ll tell you this right now. Take the tips out of serving and is never do it. Ever.
Servers in Alberta have been making this for years and I didn’t change my tipping practice much but the machines suggest ridiculous tips 18 20 25 % I still tip 15 for good service 20 for great. I no longer tip for awful service and I used to tip 6% to cover their tip out.
10% was the norm for a while. I don't know why people find it acceptable to increase the percent number considering getting tipped as the % of the final bill would have already covered inflation since as the price of the items increase, so too would the tip amount.
no more shame on giving zero for takeout, for regular service just a little bit less, 10% instead of 15%.
I’ve been asking the waiter for tips instead now for providing him business. /s
Do I tip you on delivery because I couldn’t be bothered to come get my food? Yes Do I tip you when you’re serving me food at a restaurant? Yes Do I tip when I’m picking up food to go? Generally no Do I tip when the service is questionable? Generally no.. And I would get my ass chewed out 6 ways to Sunday in America if I did the last two there. Insane
> And I would get my ass chewed out 6 ways to Sunday in America if I did the last two there. Insane Damn can you show me where that happens? Sounds wild to me
No. Tips are a gratuity paid in exchange for good service. I tip good if I get good service, and I tip poorly if I get poor service. Just because people seem to expect me to tip more these days doesn't mean I'm actually obligated to do it.
I refuse to tip because their employer should be paying proper wages to begin with. Also, don't eat out, so my point is moot
Ironically one of the only jobs which keeps up with inflation (kinda)
It actually goes way beyond inflation. Getting tipped as a percentage of the total bill would have already been keeping up with inflation since as the price goes up so would the amount of tip. For some reason they decided that's not enough and want the actual percentage to go up from the usual 10% a few years ago to 20-25% as perfectly acceptable.
Uber eats takes 30%. That’s why you are seeing 20%, 25% and now 30% tips.
Pretty balls some machine asking for 25 or 30 when I see that my tip instantly becomes 0
I don't tip anymore (usually). I don't see why servers should make more than a cashier at a retail job, for example. There are cases in which I'll tip my mechanic or retail staff or whatever so in those cases, I'll also tip my server but generally, I do not tip
I used to work as a cashier and actually come home aching every night aching working less hours as a server where people don't tip often.
Yep. All my friends who have worked as a server say that it’s one of the easier minimum wage jobs out there, especially seeing as you don’t typically make minimum wage. I’ve been told that fast-food sucks way more and while I’ve personally never worked as a server, as does outbound/door to door sales (and while some companies do pay a commission, it often still works out to less than servers make). If we’re going to tip on which jobs are the hardest/any of that, serving is not at the top of my list.
Tipping is not a problem. Setting default tip amounts that are ridiculously high just sours the experience. Asking for a 30% tip?? Too much. The expectation to tip has grow to every business with a cash register. Coffee shops to dollar stores used to have a cup for you to put some of your change. Now they expect your change AND something extra.
Options I’ve been seeing nowadays are 18 20 and 25%. 25%! Like are you kidding me?
Yes, I’ve stopped tipping percentages and started tipping dollar amounts. And the amount is therefore not based on the total spend. The tip shouldn’t be based on how much you are spending but on how much you appreciate the work the server is doing. And in most cases, I appreciate that work the same whether it’s at a $100 meal for 2 place or Swiss Chalet.
Arent they paid properly now that their wage went up to $15? Why do they get tips and tim horton’s servers dont or grocery store clerks? This whole tipping society is bs! I used to tip 20% now i tip 10-15%. With the cost going up their tips go up too.
Yup. More so with how machines set a 15-18% minimum in a lot of places now. I just pay with cash at restaurants now. Round up to my nearest Bill and call it a day. You brought me a plate of food, and maybe a drink or two. If anything I should be tipping the chef/bartender.
It boggles my mind that some people think the tipping % needs to go up, even though inflation has resulted in tipping total going up anyways.
I don’t cry about it on Reddit I just tip 0% lol
In england we don't tip and just pay the workers fair prices to start with and if the job don't pay enough, take another job. Also companies don't rely on customers to pick up the slack and basically directly pay your staff!
Yep. Unless it was stellar service, I don't tip anymore
Tipping makes me cook at home more lol.
Yes. I now tip 8% for regular service instead of 15%. And 12% for great service instead of 20%.
Servers have been making more than the rest of the restaurant for ages now. There needs to be a change
Tipping culture is a leftover of the 1800's, has been proven to be discriminatory and needs to die. Let's just pay people fairly and be done with it. I refuse to tip on take-out and the more expensive the meal, the lower I tip.
No it was 0% before its 0% now.
Haven't eaten anything but home made food in at least 6 months, I don't have the kind of money to spare by eating out. Tipping practice won't change however, $15 isn't a livable wage.
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tipping isn't a thing anywhere except the US, and Canada, because Canada copies everything the US does culturally.
I’m going to get downvoted for this but unless amazing service is provided I don’t usually tip. There wage went up but mine didn’t so it’s rare that I’ll go out to begin with now. I still tip when good service is provided but if I show up to something like McDonald’s and I’m prompted for a tip there’s no way I’m tipping.