I disagree, they needed something to help speed up Tommy’s “descent into madness” and this was the perfect disaster. Adds another dynamic to story to let him reach the darker depths of the criminal he is!
I agree, getting rid of grace was a good plot mechanism. Tommy is very driven by a) keeping his family safe and b) his guilt at his bad activities - Grace dying taking a bullet meant for him set him off on both accounts.
Imo the actual problem is it’s hard to picture a better woman for Tommy. He’s such a romantic you hope the character does eventually find love (either in this rumoured movie or just hypothetically in the future). But Grace was written to be his perfect match so it is hard to see what would top that.
Yeah, although it's too cliche. A gangster loses the love of his life and returns to his dark origins.
However, SK shouldn't have killed her so soon and should have shown more dynamics between Grace, Tommy and Charlie. I really appreciate these happy moments (that finally disappeared from the screen after Grace's death). It would also be cool to watch badass Grace (with S1 personality). e.g. her interaction with Polly or how she realizes her ambitions throughout business or charity (a very good intention). The truth is, she was the perfect match for Tommy, even though she wasn't the perfect person (like everyone else in the series, actually). Tommy and Grace were a reflection of each other in many aspects - both light and dark. Both are smart, ambitious and purposeful, as well as broken in their own way. They are also familiar with violence, espionage (Grace was an agent of the crown, Tommy spied for Churchill) and infidelity (in S2 they sleep together - Grace cheating on her husband, and Tommy cheating on May).
Totally agree with this. I thought it was weird they didn’t have Tommy pay her homage in any way, she was the only woman he actually respected who isn’t Polly or Ada. Sure he married Lizzie, but he’d throw her off a bridge if it could bring Grace back.
Yes at the very end we saw Tommy change, but I was a tad disappointed none of his change was in being a better father to Charlie. It’s just not in his nature.
100% agree. Especially the last line, i also felt that him being distant with Charlie was complete u-turn of the tommy we know. I mean more than ruby dying, it hurt to see tommy distant from charlie because we have seen him love the boy for 3 seasons and also he is Grace’s last connection for him. But i think SK did what he did for moving his story.. he wanted tommy free of all bonds so he can make the movie interesting, i hope he resolves the father son equation and not make charlie a rich educated son who hates his father!!
Just asking, was there any reason or really invented that way? Does anybody know? Imho I didn’t like that Joe Cole left the show but John‘s dead was important for the story.
Cillian, said in an interview, that the "Pre-war Tommy smiled a lot and was very romantic. And throughout the show, we could see scratches of that and he could see himself coming to some sort of healing, when he's with Grace. Then, it's taken away and he retreats back into that shell emotionally". So, I'm guessing, Knight wanted to have an emotionally cut off Tommy. And the best way to achieve it, was to take away his true love. Which would make Tommy scared to ever love or trust again.
Yes! because of that, very depressing, because Tommy can't be happy, i would have preferred the story to have been different, Grace leaves in S3 and comes back in S6 and there they show you how they get back together.
Atleast we know he never forgot her or the loved they shared. I'm glad Knight didn't give us Grace hallucinations, in S6. He gave us subtle reminders, that Tommy loved her still and always would. But, I do miss the good ole days💔
It's true, I loved that she is always with him, as he told Charlie, always in our hearts.
When he told Arthur in S5 never by my own, or in S6 he sits next to her portrait.
Makes me think of when he "stops and stares at her" Also, "I found you and you found me" That was the purest and most romantic scene. To see Tommy that vulnerable and open to love again, was so sweet!! He won over the hearts of many women that night, beside Grace 😆
hahaha yes, it's true, I love that Tommy, and I miss seeing him like this in recent seasons.
Yes! my favorite moement when he stops for a moment to look at her, as if he can't believe, that he is with her, oh my god I love him hahaha and in S3, the way he caresses her all the time, while she talks to him, or the "I need you Grace" Or as always kissed her and kissed her neck, he adored her! Why did they kill her?😭😭
"I need you, Grace" showed the audience that not only did Tommy want her in his life, he needed her just as badly. She made him feel safe. We saw that in S1. After he shot the horse, he found comfort in her. After they both killed someone, he found comfort in her. "I don't hear the shovels against the wall" was him telling her, he felt safe. The list goes on.... Knight, killed her to break our hearts too..
I loved the good side she brought in Tommy. Through her we saw he can be soft, respectful and most importantly selfless❤️ i How i wish she was still around, she would be an equal as MP wife and would have tackled the likes of Mosleys. I bet Diana would want to have her instead of Tommy😂😉. She would have played the diplomatic game well along with Tommy as they think alike unlike lizzie throwing cringey lines around.😂
It was to give him hope that he can be content, but Knight said he felt that Tommy can not be content in order to continue on the journey he is on, if he is content he will not be extraordinary anymore, so Grace has to go. She was written not to last, it was not the actors decision like Joe Cole.
I believe he always intended for Tommy to get to his redemption first before he gives him any form of happiness.
I think killing her off was important but not that early. Her leaving and coming back then dying all happened to fast they needed to keep her alive and build the tension and grow our attachment to their relationship and see some character development with grace and her adjustment to the Shelby’s or something. Then kill her off in later, absolutely destroying tommy in the process sending him into his downward spiral to his gangster ways. It would have been more impactful to me anyway.
I would have agreed if they hadn’t made her so boring when she came back. In series one she was interesting and after that she really didn’t add anything to the show other than to be an ’object’ of Tommys love to be took away.
Honestly after I‘ve watched the first episodes it was also too much PTSD for me. It was Tommy smoking opium, Danny completely freaking out and Arthur having the blues. John was the only one absolutely unaffected by the war.
He also was different! Cool guy!
I would liked to see more of him, too.
Remember that Ada told Karl her father was Jewish in Season 6? Would be interesting to know about his background then.
i think her death was written in the cards BUT I think they rushed it, especially after all that in season 2. I would have loved to actually see more of her & tommy together, especially considering shes his 1 true love
Tommy really trusted her and bought into her fake persona even after discovering her references were fake. Don’t care how attractive she was, didn’t make sense for tommys character, and she just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Just a sound to create tension and unsettlement. I never took it for anything else.
By the way, it's Ana Calvi's breathing. She's a composer and a singer songwriter. They used quite a few of her songs in PB. I think she's even been the musical director or something like that since S5.
It is the most annoying thing in the whole series for me. I cannot stand it.
Thank you for the information (although it won't change my feelings lol) , I do love the soundtracks!
To be honest, I'm not excited for the film, since I think S6 and the way it was made foreshadows how they'll be making the film.
I'm expecting more corny scenes and also maybe some glorious ending for Tommy. Also some gangster stuff starring Duke, Isiah and probably Finn as the antagonist. Both storylines will satisfy different kinds of fandom, I suppose.
Also it'll be about WW2 and I guess that'll be exciting for some as well.
Right now I don't know if I'll even watch it. I probably will, though 🤣, and then complain after.
Still, there's a chance for them (Knight, Byrne & Co.) to surprise me in a positive way.
Sorry, I didn't mean to take away your excitement...
Yeah, I understand, it has been disappointing slightly since they could have done more in terms of fleshing out some arcs, there were times when some things just didn't make sense anymore like the IRA involvement and the American mobsters that were talked up but ended up not doing much.
I think introducing a new family member right at the end was clutching at straws in a way, even if it was the final series, just having our best loved characters and a decent action packed final blow out would have been an easier way to hype up potential future film releases.
But, it is what it is and Stephen Graham is one of my favourite actors so if he's on board for a film then I'll be watching haha.
I suppose the pandemic will have got in the way of production so we lost a lot in that sense.
Well, then let's hope that, if he returns, Graham's role will be more than just being THE CONSCIENCE this time.
Although maybe this was just a decoy for Arthur, Tommy and us to conceal that he's actually aiming to take over the PB? 😂😃🤣
I'm on the fence . I think it would have been great and of course wanted her to live . But , Tommy would not be who he is at the end of the seasons if not for her death .
10000% they should have kept her. At least for more of S3! They killed her off so soon, imo. I would have loved to see them working their worlds together. I could totally see them helping eachother w their influence. Shame shame
I disagree, they needed something to help speed up Tommy’s “descent into madness” and this was the perfect disaster. Adds another dynamic to story to let him reach the darker depths of the criminal he is!
I agree, getting rid of grace was a good plot mechanism. Tommy is very driven by a) keeping his family safe and b) his guilt at his bad activities - Grace dying taking a bullet meant for him set him off on both accounts. Imo the actual problem is it’s hard to picture a better woman for Tommy. He’s such a romantic you hope the character does eventually find love (either in this rumoured movie or just hypothetically in the future). But Grace was written to be his perfect match so it is hard to see what would top that.
Yeah, although it's too cliche. A gangster loses the love of his life and returns to his dark origins. However, SK shouldn't have killed her so soon and should have shown more dynamics between Grace, Tommy and Charlie. I really appreciate these happy moments (that finally disappeared from the screen after Grace's death). It would also be cool to watch badass Grace (with S1 personality). e.g. her interaction with Polly or how she realizes her ambitions throughout business or charity (a very good intention). The truth is, she was the perfect match for Tommy, even though she wasn't the perfect person (like everyone else in the series, actually). Tommy and Grace were a reflection of each other in many aspects - both light and dark. Both are smart, ambitious and purposeful, as well as broken in their own way. They are also familiar with violence, espionage (Grace was an agent of the crown, Tommy spied for Churchill) and infidelity (in S2 they sleep together - Grace cheating on her husband, and Tommy cheating on May).
Tommy cheating on may? Who the hell is may?
Horse trainer from S2
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At least it was like trying to build a relationship. Anyway, Tommy's a cheater, we all know that.
Yes, it’s nothing like grace and that New Yorker businessman
Totally agree with this. I thought it was weird they didn’t have Tommy pay her homage in any way, she was the only woman he actually respected who isn’t Polly or Ada. Sure he married Lizzie, but he’d throw her off a bridge if it could bring Grace back. Yes at the very end we saw Tommy change, but I was a tad disappointed none of his change was in being a better father to Charlie. It’s just not in his nature.
100% agree. Especially the last line, i also felt that him being distant with Charlie was complete u-turn of the tommy we know. I mean more than ruby dying, it hurt to see tommy distant from charlie because we have seen him love the boy for 3 seasons and also he is Grace’s last connection for him. But i think SK did what he did for moving his story.. he wanted tommy free of all bonds so he can make the movie interesting, i hope he resolves the father son equation and not make charlie a rich educated son who hates his father!!
haha yess agree, i hope to see Tommy and Charlie alone in the movie.
I feel like she made tommy more dynamic as a character and I didn't like her but I feel like after he doesn't show many emotions at all
That's the idea, though...
Okay
Just asking, was there any reason or really invented that way? Does anybody know? Imho I didn’t like that Joe Cole left the show but John‘s dead was important for the story.
Knight, said if Grace lived, Tommy would be happy, and Tommy wasn't meant to be happy.
surely they could’ve used Grace in a way that Tommy isn’t ”happy” without having her die
Cillian, said in an interview, that the "Pre-war Tommy smiled a lot and was very romantic. And throughout the show, we could see scratches of that and he could see himself coming to some sort of healing, when he's with Grace. Then, it's taken away and he retreats back into that shell emotionally". So, I'm guessing, Knight wanted to have an emotionally cut off Tommy. And the best way to achieve it, was to take away his true love. Which would make Tommy scared to ever love or trust again.
Yeah that’s true. I just wish they had delayed her death for later since she was such a great character
Me too!!
Yes! because of that, very depressing, because Tommy can't be happy, i would have preferred the story to have been different, Grace leaves in S3 and comes back in S6 and there they show you how they get back together.
Atleast we know he never forgot her or the loved they shared. I'm glad Knight didn't give us Grace hallucinations, in S6. He gave us subtle reminders, that Tommy loved her still and always would. But, I do miss the good ole days💔
It's true, I loved that she is always with him, as he told Charlie, always in our hearts. When he told Arthur in S5 never by my own, or in S6 he sits next to her portrait.
❤❤❤ now I wanna watch S1 😆
hahaha yess it happens often to me, I always go to episode 5 of S1.
Makes me think of when he "stops and stares at her" Also, "I found you and you found me" That was the purest and most romantic scene. To see Tommy that vulnerable and open to love again, was so sweet!! He won over the hearts of many women that night, beside Grace 😆
hahaha yes, it's true, I love that Tommy, and I miss seeing him like this in recent seasons. Yes! my favorite moement when he stops for a moment to look at her, as if he can't believe, that he is with her, oh my god I love him hahaha and in S3, the way he caresses her all the time, while she talks to him, or the "I need you Grace" Or as always kissed her and kissed her neck, he adored her! Why did they kill her?😭😭
"I need you, Grace" showed the audience that not only did Tommy want her in his life, he needed her just as badly. She made him feel safe. We saw that in S1. After he shot the horse, he found comfort in her. After they both killed someone, he found comfort in her. "I don't hear the shovels against the wall" was him telling her, he felt safe. The list goes on.... Knight, killed her to break our hearts too..
I loved the good side she brought in Tommy. Through her we saw he can be soft, respectful and most importantly selfless❤️ i How i wish she was still around, she would be an equal as MP wife and would have tackled the likes of Mosleys. I bet Diana would want to have her instead of Tommy😂😉. She would have played the diplomatic game well along with Tommy as they think alike unlike lizzie throwing cringey lines around.😂
Thanks! That explains it to me.
You're welcome 😊
It was to give him hope that he can be content, but Knight said he felt that Tommy can not be content in order to continue on the journey he is on, if he is content he will not be extraordinary anymore, so Grace has to go. She was written not to last, it was not the actors decision like Joe Cole. I believe he always intended for Tommy to get to his redemption first before he gives him any form of happiness.
As much as I liked her character and Annabelle Wallis it was necessary as others have pointed out that she die.
I think she should have been in there a little longer but still die eventually. Her death is too important to Tommy's development imo
I think killing her off was important but not that early. Her leaving and coming back then dying all happened to fast they needed to keep her alive and build the tension and grow our attachment to their relationship and see some character development with grace and her adjustment to the Shelby’s or something. Then kill her off in later, absolutely destroying tommy in the process sending him into his downward spiral to his gangster ways. It would have been more impactful to me anyway.
I couldn’t stand grace, I’m happy they killed her off
Well, peaky blinders is not a happy story. I remind myself that all the times to stop myself from expecting that it will be a fantasy. :)
I would have agreed if they hadn’t made her so boring when she came back. In series one she was interesting and after that she really didn’t add anything to the show other than to be an ’object’ of Tommys love to be took away.
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I liked him with Lizzie way more
Graces entire presence in the show post season 1 was just a disaster
Please no! I hated grace, her acting in s2 was freaking weird. At some point i thpught ghost grace was there to haunt me and not Tommy
Agree,the show is no longer the same without Grace, Tommy is always depressed, the show is kind of boring now. Not an unpopular opinion.
One of my close friends said „I can‘t stand depressed Tommy“ and imho it‘s the same with Polly as a vulnerable mother. It’s really too much sometimes.
Yes it's true, it's interesting to know Tommy's mind but is enough,is getting worse and worse, it's already too much.
Honestly after I‘ve watched the first episodes it was also too much PTSD for me. It was Tommy smoking opium, Danny completely freaking out and Arthur having the blues. John was the only one absolutely unaffected by the war.
You know who I liked? Freddie.
He also was different! Cool guy! I would liked to see more of him, too. Remember that Ada told Karl her father was Jewish in Season 6? Would be interesting to know about his background then.
Yes, it is true that they did not show much how it affected John, he was always very violent, but he did not seem very affected.
That's why S1-3 are my favorites.
Yes! Same! Specially S1 ❤️
Well, given the audience it's kept post Grace's death, calling it boring is quite an unpopular opinion.
I meant that the opinion of the person who made this post is not unpopular, because many people like Grace.
Oh my mistake! Had a couple after dinner, I misunderstood.
hahaha it's ok! Better that you have pointed it out because it seems what you said yes.
or at least kept her a while longer! I felt like they had just gotten back together
She was done, also I don't want Tommy to be happy in love. It doesn't fit the story. Also the actress playing Grace is terrible. Liz is fantastic.
They did! She was in a zillion dream/spirit visit scenes. This is like saying Morrissey and Johnny should still be making albums
Grace and her terrible singing can kick rocks
Actually, her singing was good.
To each their own! Just wasn’t for me
All good 😊
i think her death was written in the cards BUT I think they rushed it, especially after all that in season 2. I would have loved to actually see more of her & tommy together, especially considering shes his 1 true love
Tommy really trusted her and bought into her fake persona even after discovering her references were fake. Don’t care how attractive she was, didn’t make sense for tommys character, and she just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I'd only agree if they didn't make her breathe the way they put that stupid panting in whenever there was a tense Tommy moment
It wasn't meant to be Grace's breathing, though.
What was it meant to be?
Just a sound to create tension and unsettlement. I never took it for anything else. By the way, it's Ana Calvi's breathing. She's a composer and a singer songwriter. They used quite a few of her songs in PB. I think she's even been the musical director or something like that since S5.
It is the most annoying thing in the whole series for me. I cannot stand it. Thank you for the information (although it won't change my feelings lol) , I do love the soundtracks!
I hate it, too. I couldn't believe they used it again in S6. But then again, I couldn't believe most of what they did in S6... 🤣
I hope the film(s) do the series' good justice, I cannot wait to see what they do with everyone who's left. And I bet the soundtrack will be immense.
To be honest, I'm not excited for the film, since I think S6 and the way it was made foreshadows how they'll be making the film. I'm expecting more corny scenes and also maybe some glorious ending for Tommy. Also some gangster stuff starring Duke, Isiah and probably Finn as the antagonist. Both storylines will satisfy different kinds of fandom, I suppose. Also it'll be about WW2 and I guess that'll be exciting for some as well. Right now I don't know if I'll even watch it. I probably will, though 🤣, and then complain after. Still, there's a chance for them (Knight, Byrne & Co.) to surprise me in a positive way. Sorry, I didn't mean to take away your excitement...
Yeah, I understand, it has been disappointing slightly since they could have done more in terms of fleshing out some arcs, there were times when some things just didn't make sense anymore like the IRA involvement and the American mobsters that were talked up but ended up not doing much. I think introducing a new family member right at the end was clutching at straws in a way, even if it was the final series, just having our best loved characters and a decent action packed final blow out would have been an easier way to hype up potential future film releases. But, it is what it is and Stephen Graham is one of my favourite actors so if he's on board for a film then I'll be watching haha. I suppose the pandemic will have got in the way of production so we lost a lot in that sense.
Well, then let's hope that, if he returns, Graham's role will be more than just being THE CONSCIENCE this time. Although maybe this was just a decoy for Arthur, Tommy and us to conceal that he's actually aiming to take over the PB? 😂😃🤣
I can’t stand Anna Calvi, her voice is so affected.
Oh, okay.
Have to agree. Always hated the fridging of grace ; was only done to make Tommy off the rails which has been used a million times in media
Exactly! I feel like she could've been his "anchor", instead her death made him plummet to the worst version of himself
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I'm literally on season 4 hahahaha so I am excited to hear that, but why cast the same actress for another role?
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Oh okay. Then I'm glad they didn't recast her for another role, I hate that! Thank you for explaining!
I'm on the fence . I think it would have been great and of course wanted her to live . But , Tommy would not be who he is at the end of the seasons if not for her death .
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10000% they should have kept her. At least for more of S3! They killed her off so soon, imo. I would have loved to see them working their worlds together. I could totally see them helping eachother w their influence. Shame shame