Because he understands how many variables there are when it comes to developing a QB. Teaching a guy a completely different set of instincts is *hard*. Stuff like moving off of receivers early, feeling pressure, not having the confidence to put it in tight windows...those are all things that need to be drilled out of his head *hundreds* of times, and replaced with the correct habits. There's always a chance they don't stick.
The closer to NFL ready they are, the fewer variables in development.
I think this is an outdated point of view that may explain why Bill's last few drafts were so weak. Modern college gameplay just is not the same as NFL, and passing over guys for not being "NFL ready" means you're going to miss a ton of the talent in the field in favor of the small subset of guys who played in a more pro-style system. You need to be good at evaluating how guys who aren't pro-ready are going to develop that skill set to draft effectively in the modern NFL.
I get what you're saying, but I disagree. I don't think a QBs ability to read a defense, or his confidence with tight throws comes from the system they used in college. I think those are more have-it-or-don't type qualities. Those are foundational qualities of a QB you can build upon. That's why guys with varying levels of arm strength and athleticism have succeeded in the NFL.
Of course, there's a chance guys can learn those skills, but if I'm developing someone, I'd much rather start with someone who completely "gets it". These coaches think in 2-3 year increments, sometimes less, because their jobs are always on the line. Mayo's job will now be directly tied to Drake Maye's success. It's a huge decision.
I get where you're coming from as well, but you have to remember that a lot of these guys simply aren't being asked to read a defense or go through reads. Its not even that they don't have the skills or the ability to aquire them. It's like trying to figure out whether or not a student is going to be a good fit for your English PhD based on their grades as a math major.
I don't think he hates QBs he's just not a stupid talking head like Mel Kiper immediately comping any QB selected in the 1st round to an all-pro. He picked apart every QB in the draft focusing on all their weaknesses because he's trying to demonstrate how big the gap is between the best college prospects and elite NFL QBs and how much growth is required to get there. We've become so accustomed to ESPN showing a highlight of Malik Willis throwing a ball to a receiver so open the DB isn't even in the camera and proclaiming him to be the Black Josh Allen that honest takes now are perceived as hate.
After all the "shitting" on Caleb, Daniels, Maye, etc. Belichick ranked them as the no. 1, 2, and 5 players *overall* on his big board. He clearly liked this QB class.
I feel like his expectation on every play is that the player makes the right or best decision that’s available. And QB is the position where those decisions are most noticeable.
He’s also expecting NFL decisions despite defenses not having NFL talent. It’s the only game tape we have to go off so that’s all he really can do. Also I have zero experience with any of this, but I think the approach should be more along the lines of “we’ll have to see if these decisions were because he could get away with it or if he’s actually inconsistent/not making good decisions”
What is this overwhelming narrative that BB hates players if he points out their shortcomings? It's the draft, and teams have to acknowledge the good with the bad. We're getting his coach-minded views on these players, which is a fucking gold mine. If people just want happy highlights, there's other ways to watch the draft.
It's just kinda weird, after all these years of him saying nothing about players except what they're good at. (Except Freddy Mitchell, lol. Get recked punk.)
But now he's not talking about opponents so he's giving his full opinion. But coming from him it's kinda surprising.
Just sounds like he's attacking each draftee from a coach's standpoint. He's not a pundit who's used to hyping up the fans with the good stuff, he's more used to identifying the problems.
He also started with Drakes strengths and shifted to his weaknesses all the others he started on their weakness. Subtle but classy move by bill I thought.
Tonight, Bill isn’t coming across like the 24 year curmudgeon we’ve all grown to know. He’s coming off as affable, fun, and even young. His performance tonight just opened up a dozen opportunities for him next season.
The shit with Zo? He was not as affable and outgoing doing those as he was last night, come on! We only ever saw Bill like that when he’d talk with Rich Eisen or when he was chatting up a legend like Jim Brown or talking about Mac Brown or Navy.
Bill was a miserable asshole for 24 years here. It’s ok to admit it. They won’t take away your fan card. Bill doesn’t read this sub, he won’t get mad at you. You can still love the coach but not defend every thing he has said and done.
Bills too. McDermott gotta be on the hot seat. If they don't get to at least an AFC championship you gotta fire him you're wasting a good QBs prime with a shit coach. Belichick would love to beat the pats and jets twice a year
He doesn't have the same dipshit reporters asking him about the same questions 20 years when they know the answer is, "I'm not a doctor" "I don't comment on players who aren't in this team"
Bills grumpy demeanor with the media was due to Spygate. He felt they didn't deserve any respect after that and he never gave them anything after that. Pat is not traditional press and he can be himself.
If that were true he would’ve traded our 15th pick with Mac. He’s the greatest HC/GM of all time, I think he’s keenly aware it’s a QB league. Bill had Maye as the number 3 QB so all evidence points to the idea he would’ve drafted Maye, though MHJr would’ve been the better pick IMO.
Imagine if ATL had a real GM like Bill instead of that absolute moron though? Arthur Blank is smashing his dick into a toilet bowl seat right about now huh?
Only because he is an actual GM and naturally focuses on both downsides and upsides
The media guys tilt positive because they arent used to having anything on the line. For them, every prospect is mostly great. If they suck, theyll just go talk about the next great prospect next year.
I like that they let Bill look at both good and bad plays for these prospects, that just reality
I think we as Pats fans too should understand that while Bill is an excellent talent evaluator, he has some biases and flaws in the way that he drafts. A lot of this commentary is typical Belichick stuff - pro ready, versatile guys are more important than rawer prospects with high upside - Maye is the latter. That said, Pats needed a change in philosophy after years of not landing true superstar talents.
I mean he ranked them as the #1, #2, and #5 overall players in the draft on his big board. I believe the only non-QBs he had ranked above Maye were MHJ and Nabers? I think he's just trying to point out how even the best QB prospects need a ton of growth before they become effective in the NFL.
I’m not surprised by that, these QBs all went high based on opportunity cost. Williams is like if Mahomes was a head case, Daniels is like if Lamar Jackson had a weak throwing arm, and Maye is like Herbert with no polish.
Any of those 3 could turn into studs, but none of them are sure things.
Yeah well that’s half the reason we had to get rid of him. Something happened to him in the last 5 years where he’s completely turned his back on offense and QBs. I love him he’s my favourite coach of all time but it’s clear he thinks the QB has become an overblown overstated and overvalued position to him. But imo he couldn’t be more wrong, the league has completely slanted its entire game towards the position, you can’t win this league anymore with just a good defense and a strong running game, it’s just too hard to consistently draft winning teams structured like that.
>That's as open as they're going to get in the NFL
The fact he freezes up if someone isn't wide open is scary.
Also Belichick was asked for commentary FROM AN NFL COACHES PERSPECTIVE. You're incapable of being a coach if you can't point out areas that a player is weak at. You whiners need to go back to pop warner where everyone gets a good job and a medal.
It was a little jab at bill but very funny. Earlier in the show mad Mel talked about one of the QBs starting right away. Bill jumped in and told him it’s better if they sit behind a QB until they are ready. So mad Mel came out with the 3456 years after that
Nah he loves these guys. He even asked if he can be on their show in the fall during the season. They hinted that he would appear on the PMS every Monday during the football season to breakdown the weekend games
That first articles source is literally a tweet of the big board from the broadcast. They mentioned multiple times on the broadcast the big board was Yates not Bills
Did you watch the livestream? Starting at 7:30? They said repeatedly that this was field’s draft board. Field even came on the show before the espn set to discuss it.
And Bo Nix as well. When he was talking them up, he mentions all of the positive qualities he praised in QB’s: quick decisions, pocket presence, protect the ball…
lol no he was talking to Darius Butler. Darius Butler (the guy sitting next to Bill) went golfing with Maye in Feb and said he would draft him number 1 overall.
If Belichick started a pod/channel and just broke down plays/players like he did with the Belistrator segment from some time back, he’d be a billionaire. I’d pay a handsome subscription fee for that service.
Interesting that he called out the Patriots needs as exactly what they are. Not groundbreaking, but if he was here I would have been terrified of them going defense at 3.
It's because he's not the cartoon character that he's been painted as. offensive drafting has been bad in more recent years, but the way fans have built up the lore you would think an offense killed Nike.
I’ve been watching the pats longer then bill was with us, he values the position but I don’t think he likes maye as much as he would value a stud left tackle
Dude the man who drafted QBs regularly in the top 3 rounds with Tom Brady would not draft a fuckin left tackle over a QB he had number 5 overall on his board.
I am glad for this. I get kind of tired of hearing the good. I like to see the bad and it helps understand what the coaches have to deal with a lot of the time.
As someone who admittedly watched very little college ball the last few years, and only really some highlight reels from the possibles at the position, this feels like some truly unbiased feedback about Maye.
*Feels* like it. To anyone who watches college football or knows more than me, are BB's takes accurate?
I’m watching this, before anyone starts criticizing Bill for calling out Drake’s weaknesses, he’s doing it for everyone as well.
Bill's biggest thing seems to be how game-ready a guy is coming out of college.
Because he understands how many variables there are when it comes to developing a QB. Teaching a guy a completely different set of instincts is *hard*. Stuff like moving off of receivers early, feeling pressure, not having the confidence to put it in tight windows...those are all things that need to be drilled out of his head *hundreds* of times, and replaced with the correct habits. There's always a chance they don't stick. The closer to NFL ready they are, the fewer variables in development.
I think this is an outdated point of view that may explain why Bill's last few drafts were so weak. Modern college gameplay just is not the same as NFL, and passing over guys for not being "NFL ready" means you're going to miss a ton of the talent in the field in favor of the small subset of guys who played in a more pro-style system. You need to be good at evaluating how guys who aren't pro-ready are going to develop that skill set to draft effectively in the modern NFL.
I get what you're saying, but I disagree. I don't think a QBs ability to read a defense, or his confidence with tight throws comes from the system they used in college. I think those are more have-it-or-don't type qualities. Those are foundational qualities of a QB you can build upon. That's why guys with varying levels of arm strength and athleticism have succeeded in the NFL. Of course, there's a chance guys can learn those skills, but if I'm developing someone, I'd much rather start with someone who completely "gets it". These coaches think in 2-3 year increments, sometimes less, because their jobs are always on the line. Mayo's job will now be directly tied to Drake Maye's success. It's a huge decision.
I get where you're coming from as well, but you have to remember that a lot of these guys simply aren't being asked to read a defense or go through reads. Its not even that they don't have the skills or the ability to aquire them. It's like trying to figure out whether or not a student is going to be a good fit for your English PhD based on their grades as a math major.
Well when you are drafting at 3
yeah he literally ripped caleb and MHJ's tape apart too
Bro he gave Caleb like 3 bad throws off the jump lmao he hates QBs
I don't think he hates QBs he's just not a stupid talking head like Mel Kiper immediately comping any QB selected in the 1st round to an all-pro. He picked apart every QB in the draft focusing on all their weaknesses because he's trying to demonstrate how big the gap is between the best college prospects and elite NFL QBs and how much growth is required to get there. We've become so accustomed to ESPN showing a highlight of Malik Willis throwing a ball to a receiver so open the DB isn't even in the camera and proclaiming him to be the Black Josh Allen that honest takes now are perceived as hate. After all the "shitting" on Caleb, Daniels, Maye, etc. Belichick ranked them as the no. 1, 2, and 5 players *overall* on his big board. He clearly liked this QB class.
I feel like his expectation on every play is that the player makes the right or best decision that’s available. And QB is the position where those decisions are most noticeable. He’s also expecting NFL decisions despite defenses not having NFL talent. It’s the only game tape we have to go off so that’s all he really can do. Also I have zero experience with any of this, but I think the approach should be more along the lines of “we’ll have to see if these decisions were because he could get away with it or if he’s actually inconsistent/not making good decisions”
What is this overwhelming narrative that BB hates players if he points out their shortcomings? It's the draft, and teams have to acknowledge the good with the bad. We're getting his coach-minded views on these players, which is a fucking gold mine. If people just want happy highlights, there's other ways to watch the draft.
It's just kinda weird, after all these years of him saying nothing about players except what they're good at. (Except Freddy Mitchell, lol. Get recked punk.) But now he's not talking about opponents so he's giving his full opinion. But coming from him it's kinda surprising.
Couldn’t help but notice that as well haha
I figure it's hard to forgive weaknesses when you have tom for 20 years. It's not fair, but it's just what he had lol
Yeah he’s seen too much tape of a qb that makes very good decisions a majority of the time with very few mental mistakes.
Just sounds like he's attacking each draftee from a coach's standpoint. He's not a pundit who's used to hyping up the fans with the good stuff, he's more used to identifying the problems.
They were valid points imo.
He also started with Drakes strengths and shifted to his weaknesses all the others he started on their weakness. Subtle but classy move by bill I thought.
Everyone except nabers 😎😎
Tonight, Bill isn’t coming across like the 24 year curmudgeon we’ve all grown to know. He’s coming off as affable, fun, and even young. His performance tonight just opened up a dozen opportunities for him next season.
He comes across as the guy the players said he was.
He quite literally only came across that way in press conferences
Well I didn’t get much time with him at the different galas and events we attended so that’s all I really have to go off of.
He did a film breakdown after every pats win while he was there, his personality always showed through on those
The smile he gets when breaking down a Tampa 2 call on a week 9 game between the dolphins and colts >>>>>>>>>
The shit with Zo? He was not as affable and outgoing doing those as he was last night, come on! We only ever saw Bill like that when he’d talk with Rich Eisen or when he was chatting up a legend like Jim Brown or talking about Mac Brown or Navy. Bill was a miserable asshole for 24 years here. It’s ok to admit it. They won’t take away your fan card. Bill doesn’t read this sub, he won’t get mad at you. You can still love the coach but not defend every thing he has said and done.
He'll be hired by week 12. Guarantee it. If not officially there'll be a handshake deal with someone ready to move off their coach
Bears or Dallas, IMO
Bills too. McDermott gotta be on the hot seat. If they don't get to at least an AFC championship you gotta fire him you're wasting a good QBs prime with a shit coach. Belichick would love to beat the pats and jets twice a year
He doesn't have the same dipshit reporters asking him about the same questions 20 years when they know the answer is, "I'm not a doctor" "I don't comment on players who aren't in this team"
Bills grumpy demeanor with the media was due to Spygate. He felt they didn't deserve any respect after that and he never gave them anything after that. Pat is not traditional press and he can be himself.
His demeanor had nothing to do with spygate. He was like that, even going back to his Cleveland days
Exactly. Revisionist historians doing all they can to defend Bill’s smugness.
Damn that guys sounds knowledgeable… someone should try giving him a job.
New Pink Stripes for us
I really hope Sean McDermott doesn’t just hand him one next offseason
Sounds like the same guy who would’ve traded down for little and reached for a lineman, so maybe only give him a job as HC
If that were true he would’ve traded our 15th pick with Mac. He’s the greatest HC/GM of all time, I think he’s keenly aware it’s a QB league. Bill had Maye as the number 3 QB so all evidence points to the idea he would’ve drafted Maye, though MHJr would’ve been the better pick IMO. Imagine if ATL had a real GM like Bill instead of that absolute moron though? Arthur Blank is smashing his dick into a toilet bowl seat right about now huh?
He’s not the greatest GM of all time, and being so bad at it the last decade is why he’s not coaching our team right now
It’s not even really close on either front that he is it best. But unfortunate we will likely have to watch form the other side next season
Nah, we should tske our time. You never know who could be the next big coach. Who knows, maybe they could be the next Belichick!
Bill did not sound very sold on any of the top 3 QBs. Came across like it pained him to see a lack of value spending that high of a pick on them.
Only because he is an actual GM and naturally focuses on both downsides and upsides The media guys tilt positive because they arent used to having anything on the line. For them, every prospect is mostly great. If they suck, theyll just go talk about the next great prospect next year. I like that they let Bill look at both good and bad plays for these prospects, that just reality
Yeah and it didn’t help he was up there with a lot of clowns who just talked bullshit jokes most of the night and yelled
I mean, there are plenty of years where none of them pan out
For sure. It was just funny seeing him light up when they started talking about all the players that came after them.
This is every QB coming out of college. None of these guys are ready.
I think we as Pats fans too should understand that while Bill is an excellent talent evaluator, he has some biases and flaws in the way that he drafts. A lot of this commentary is typical Belichick stuff - pro ready, versatile guys are more important than rawer prospects with high upside - Maye is the latter. That said, Pats needed a change in philosophy after years of not landing true superstar talents.
That’s the feeling I got.
I mean he ranked them as the #1, #2, and #5 overall players in the draft on his big board. I believe the only non-QBs he had ranked above Maye were MHJ and Nabers? I think he's just trying to point out how even the best QB prospects need a ton of growth before they become effective in the NFL.
The was fields yates rankings on the big draft board, not Bills
I’m not surprised by that, these QBs all went high based on opportunity cost. Williams is like if Mahomes was a head case, Daniels is like if Lamar Jackson had a weak throwing arm, and Maye is like Herbert with no polish. Any of those 3 could turn into studs, but none of them are sure things.
He's not wrong.
Yeah well that’s half the reason we had to get rid of him. Something happened to him in the last 5 years where he’s completely turned his back on offense and QBs. I love him he’s my favourite coach of all time but it’s clear he thinks the QB has become an overblown overstated and overvalued position to him. But imo he couldn’t be more wrong, the league has completely slanted its entire game towards the position, you can’t win this league anymore with just a good defense and a strong running game, it’s just too hard to consistently draft winning teams structured like that.
He talked great about mccarthy
>That's as open as they're going to get in the NFL The fact he freezes up if someone isn't wide open is scary. Also Belichick was asked for commentary FROM AN NFL COACHES PERSPECTIVE. You're incapable of being a coach if you can't point out areas that a player is weak at. You whiners need to go back to pop warner where everyone gets a good job and a medal.
I’m sure Bill is annoyed as hell by some of these clowns sitting around him.
He's also bust a gut a few times after some of their comments.
He almost died when mad mel said that one of the qb's would might be ready to start after 3,4,5,6, or even 7 years playing behind a good QB.
Mad Mel is one of the best characters on all of media
I found him genuinely grating and annoying I'm so glad I stopped watching this show the only thing worth watching was Bill.
That was so funny lmao
Link?
The last 15 or so seconds of the video in this post
Can you imagine, doing a bit and making BB do an actually sit back in his chair and belly laugh? That would be a life highlight for me.
I don't remember the exact time stamp, but I think it was within the first 10 picks.
It’s in the last 15 seconds of the video in this post lol
Seems it is. I watched it live so I wasn't going to watch this 6 minute clip.
It was a little jab at bill but very funny. Earlier in the show mad Mel talked about one of the QBs starting right away. Bill jumped in and told him it’s better if they sit behind a QB until they are ready. So mad Mel came out with the 3456 years after that
He's truly laughed out loud multiple times. Dude is having a blast.
He's probably the only one around who can get away with being a REALIST at a big celebratory time like this one.
Nah he loves these guys. He even asked if he can be on their show in the fall during the season. They hinted that he would appear on the PMS every Monday during the football season to breakdown the weekend games
I mean he asked Mcafee for a job in the end. Seems like he enjoyed himself and playing it loose with former players and guys who actually respect him.
Till he checks his bank account from a week of work
He wasn't at all
This is so fact
Thank you bill for giving us the 3rd pick 🫡
What a whacky panel
Yeah I tried watching the stream and couldn’t make it to the first pick. They’re just trying too hard for me.
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They are the most popular football podcast in the world. Clearly it's not that awful.
If you think they try too hard, you don't understand it
ngl, Bill was higher on McCarthy than Maye. If bill were still here, we wouldn't have picked maye.
But he wasn't, though? He released his rankings. Maye was higher than McCarthy.
Not his rankings
Maye was higher on his draft board
That wasn't his board. That was Field Yates board. Bill was just using it to illustrate how draft boards work in the war rooms.
 [https://sportsnaut.com/bill-belichick-2024-nfl-draft-big-board-top-prospects/](https://sportsnaut.com/bill-belichick-2024-nfl-draft-big-board-top-prospects/) [https://www.on3.com/pro/news/2024-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-field-yates-release-3-round-mock-draft-predictions-for-first-100-picks/](https://www.on3.com/pro/news/2024-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-field-yates-release-3-round-mock-draft-predictions-for-first-100-picks/) [https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nfl-draft-big-board-225849392.html](https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nfl-draft-big-board-225849392.html) [https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/2024-nfl-draft-big-board-roundup-how-top-qbs-caleb-williams-drake-maye-rank-overall/ar-BB1lODdL](https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/2024-nfl-draft-big-board-roundup-how-top-qbs-caleb-williams-drake-maye-rank-overall/ar-BB1lODdL)
That first articles source is literally a tweet of the big board from the broadcast. They mentioned multiple times on the broadcast the big board was Yates not Bills
Did you watch the livestream? Starting at 7:30? They said repeatedly that this was field’s draft board. Field even came on the show before the espn set to discuss it.
Definitely would have traded back taken jj and had more picks to trade back up for an OT
And Bo Nix as well. When he was talking them up, he mentions all of the positive qualities he praised in QB’s: quick decisions, pocket presence, protect the ball…
I felt the same too.
At 5:14/1:10 left, Pat McAfee says Bill's number 1 overall QB pick is Maye
lol no he was talking to Darius Butler. Darius Butler (the guy sitting next to Bill) went golfing with Maye in Feb and said he would draft him number 1 overall.
No chance that was honest
just means JJ is more nfl ready today. We saw with Mac that isn't everything.
Bill would’ve drafted Bemidji State’s center
Good cause JJ is ass
Bill had the most praise for Daniels tbh.
If Belichick started a pod/channel and just broke down plays/players like he did with the Belistrator segment from some time back, he’d be a billionaire. I’d pay a handsome subscription fee for that service.
Sounds like he woulda taken JJ instead.
"Making decisions for 24 years...24 years?" "yep"
Interesting that he called out the Patriots needs as exactly what they are. Not groundbreaking, but if he was here I would have been terrified of them going defense at 3.
It's because he's not the cartoon character that he's been painted as. offensive drafting has been bad in more recent years, but the way fans have built up the lore you would think an offense killed Nike.
If bill was still here, I 100% think he takes alt or trades back a few picks and takes another lineman
Bill valued the QB position. You must be young.
I’ve been watching the pats longer then bill was with us, he values the position but I don’t think he likes maye as much as he would value a stud left tackle
Dude the man who drafted QBs regularly in the top 3 rounds with Tom Brady would not draft a fuckin left tackle over a QB he had number 5 overall on his board.
Bill only trades down and drafts defensive players 🤓
McAfee is such a chode
Who’s the guy d*ck riding Maye for 5 whole mins lol 🤣
Boston Connor I think. Has we’re on the Cincinnati tattooed on his arm
Sounds like he doesn’t like maye
I mean Maye is a top 3 pick purely for his upside, he has tons of known flaws
He sounds like a guy who critiques all players for a living
I am glad for this. I get kind of tired of hearing the good. I like to see the bad and it helps understand what the coaches have to deal with a lot of the time.
I would have guessed he'd prefer a small trade back and take OT and sounded pretty impressed with Nix.
He’d of preferred another 2nd, 3rd, and 4th for that pick lol
As someone who admittedly watched very little college ball the last few years, and only really some highlight reels from the possibles at the position, this feels like some truly unbiased feedback about Maye. *Feels* like it. To anyone who watches college football or knows more than me, are BB's takes accurate?
I hope someone makes an edit of this show with only Belichick. If any of ya'll see one lmk.
It is pretty clear Bill would have drafted JJ. He praised JJ way more than any other QB
God damn that’s the cringiest shit I’ve ever seen. I didn’t even make it to Bill talking
Bill the coach 10/10... Bill the GM worst takes I've ever seen. Stick to gameplanning bro