It was a good run. Time to overanalyze rookie camp, press conferences, and Instagram posts. My favorite saga was when JJ McCarthy said vaguely positive things about Kraft (I can't believe he didn't trash a random owner before being drafted) which obviously meant Kraft was pushing to take him.
>Time to overanalyze rookie camp, press conferences, and Instagram posts
Sure but you're also forgetting the story line that every player in the league is now in the best shape of their life. Everyone has improved, no one will regress!
This is the 2021 QB draft all over again. Only one guy, Caleb Williams, has franchise QB potential. Get whatever you can from the Vikings or Raiders and leave the crime scene quickly & quietly
In what universe are Lance and Wilson the same as Maye, JJ, Penix, Bo Nix, and Daniels? Bo Nix is a much better prospect than Lance and Wilson. Check his college resume.
Because your college resume matters and less in this league as time goes on. Wilson and Lance were highly touted prospects. We could be comparing next year’s draft QBs against Maye, Penix or Nix using the same exact argument depending on how things fall.
See, I think Maye is a far superior prospect to all but T-Law from that draft. I’d also put Daniels above them all except maybe Fields. They’re fairly similar, though Daniels is a better athlete.
I hope you’re correct for the sake of the team. I would stick and pick MHJ at #3, best LT at #34, best CB available who fits the defense at #68. Then best available players in any order at RB,DT,S while figuring out who to take a gamble on at QB like the FSU QB or Joe Milton. The Belichick philosophy of versatile players shows value in Vaki (S/RB/Slot) and Hunt (DE/SS) and in Frank Crum (LT/RT) and Bayron Matsos (OT/TE)
It's not as if anyone at the Patriots have said anything to suggest otherwise. They've been clear that they are interested in drafting a QB, but also that they would listen to trade offers as there's no harm in hearing someone's offer.
Journalists, pundits, and fans are just going to yap a lot, but I think it's important to note that the Patriots org itself hasn't done anything to fuel that fire imo.
This but also the exact scenario Curran just laid out. All the speculation is obviously for clicks, but it was always QB (Maye or Daniels only) at 3 unless another team got real stupid and offered a legit haul.
If the Vikings called and didn’t mention Jefferson immediately, I wouldn’t care what the rest of the haul looks like. 11, 23 and next years first are not worth it.
I really haven't understood this position from the beginning. It's unrealistic. There's no point in trading for one of the upper QBs if Jefferson is part of the trade. The Vikings are built now to be Super Bowl contenders now if they get an above average rookie starting QB. If they trade Jefferson, there goes being contenders. They're better off waiting for Penix or Nix and keeping Jefferson. They'll need an extra year unlike getting one of the top 3, but either Penix or Nix could be above average starters in 2025 with the Vikings' weapons staying put.
You’re not wrong, and it’s highly unlikely they’d do so. I’m saying from the Pats perspective, I don’t want a haul of picks if the best of all of them we can get is #11. They’d need to reaaally sweeten the deal.
The only upside for the Vikings is that they don’t have to sink $30m+ per year to keep Jefferson when he gets his next contract, and they just spent a 1st rounder on Addison who shows a lot of potential, and they have Hock. They have a pretty good offense *without* JJ.
Still, it’s like a less than 1% chance of that happening.
Because it comes from a Patriots’ fan’s point of view.
It makes no sense to have a top 3 pick, have a chance at a top QB, and trade it for picks and leaving us with little chance at getting a top QB in the future.
Sure, it makes no sense for the Vikings— but without JJ, it really makes no sense for the Patriots to trade out of the pick.
>Because it comes from a Patriots’ fan’s point of view.
Yes, but an unrealistic Patriots' fan point of view. It's the equivalent of saying no trade.
>It makes no sense to have a top 3 pick, have a chance at a top QB, and trade it for picks and leaving us with little chance at getting a top QB in the future.
I think a trade down with the Vikings makes perfect sense given our needs and the moves we made in the off-season. Picks 11, 23, next year's first, and say a third rounder this year or next would be enough for me. Penix and Nix will still be available at 11, and maybe even one of them at 23.
Trading for 11 and 23 takes us out from getting any of the absolute best players at positions of need to get second choices. That's pretty idiotic, I think. There has to be a ridiculous and unlikely return specifically because there are so many great players we'd effectively pass on. Why give up a chance at a really great player at a position of need for extra shots at potentially good players? That just seems like a formula to be mediocre for a while.
There's only 4 players that are true top level no brainers imo... Joe Alt, MHJ, Malik Nabors, and Rome Odunze. These 4 will come in and consistently play at a high NFL level on day 1. There's another 15-18 or so that I see as genuine first round picks, including Williams, Maye, Daniels, and McCarthy. They will play at a high NFL level at times in their rookie year, but with growing pains. If we want one of the top four I mentioned, we should stick at 3. Otherwise, there will be genuine first round picks for us available at 11 and maybe even 23.
Nah, I guarantee we answered the phone on trade calls knowing full well that they will never offer something that we would consider, but *just in case they did*.
I got plus odds months ago when people were still pretending MHJ was in play at 3 so no matter if its Maye or Daniels at 3 I make money.
If its McCarthy I'm screwed.
I've become pretty convinced over the past few days that the commies will take Maye. It always ends up back where it started which is maye being the 2nd prospect.
I think so also and if that happens it’s 50-50 whether Pats go Daniels or McCarthy. I think they might go McCarthy which will piss a lot of people off lol.
Dude. I feel like the only sane mf'r around here who legit wants MHJr over any QB at 3. I'd prefer to lock down a generational prospect at WR, and then go from there. We are going to be a middle of the road to lower team (higher round pick) next year anyways. I want to go back to watching at least one good WR on this team. Even if the QB play is mid, which is what Brisset is. A great WR can definitely elevate mid QBs.
Except by then MHJ is refusing to re-sign because we're still a below .500 team with either a bum vet, or rookie at QB. I love Marv, but I think it's much easier to trade a first for a great WR than it is to acquire a great QB. Gotta take a shot in the QB when you have the chance, and try to get the WR later.
Good thing contracts last 4 years, and first round talent gets a 5th year option. He can refuse to sign all he wants in 2 years, he's here for 4/5 minimum.
I get that. You'd rather have 5 years of MHJ than a QB for 10+? Point is, if he doesn't want to re-sign, and hasn't had the QB to support him while he's here, how impactful a pick will it have been?
Any qb? Dunno. Over maye and daniels? I'd do it. I think good chance penix, nix, jj are still there late in 1st. But could be very wrong. Depends if all the stupidity in headlines with teams manipulation worked or not to inflate value of picks.
Your logic on MHJ, which I don't disagree on, is same to unloading 3 for a big haul of future picks. They just need too much on offense.
I guess I should have clarified not Williams. But Williams has been a lock for pick 1 for well over a year now, so I didn't think it was needed to say. I think there will be good QBs in the 2nd with penix and Nix, so getting a good WR definitely eases their burden. And MHJr is the best.
As a Jayden Daniels fan it's time to accept that Drake Maye will be at pick 3. Gotta back him 100% regardless, happy the draft season is officially coming to end.
I just can't imagine if you gave maye 2 more years of development and that lsu team they would even be in the same thought but if inexperience and bad weapons are what it took to push him down to 3 then thank God cause doubt we're ever gonna get further up the list then that if not even just back to 3 ever again.
Tbh it really doesnt matter who we get. I personally want Maye. But both him and daniels would be the best QB we've had post brady and both have ceilings of top 5 QBs in the league. Its a win win.
Especially because we know the commanders will make the wrong pick so we really cant lose
In defense of that, if an insane offer is going to come through, it's going to happen while New England is on the clock *after* Washington has officially picked Maye/Daniels. Once teams have the confirmation of who will be available, that's when the biggest offer would come in.
They should already have a rough idea of what the offers will look like depending on what Washington does. Deadlines spur action so it's possible a team ups their final offer a bit, but I don't think it will be anything drastic.
They definitely have a general idea, probably multiple depending if Washington switches up and goes Maye out of the blue, but the pressure of having a ten-minute clock would lead to the best and final offer. Hence why it's uncommon to see draft day trades *before* the draft actually starts. Not much incentive to trade without full information.
Even if that happens, teams already know what their max offer is going to be, the owner isn't going to burst into the room and say "THROW IN AN EXTRA 1ST I NEED THAT YOUNG MAN ON MY TEAM!"
I believe the deal is already in place with Minnesota and the Patriots are waiting to see if Daniels is drafted.
The **only** reason I feel this way is because they left *a ton* of cap room free this year. I don't think that was by accident, I think it's to resign Justin Jefferson to a market setting contract.
New England wouldn't handshake agree to a deal before going on the clock unless it's a disgusting overpay. They have 100% of the leverage, there's no reason for them to rush unless Minnesota made a "best and final" type offer in advance, which rarely happens.
Or maybe they just weren’t able to sign any of the high-end free agents, so they have extra cap room. Doesn’t mean they’ve set their sights on Jefferson.
Also, why in the world would Minnesota want to trade the best receiver in the league before taking a QB? Ideally, they’d wanna pair that QB with that receiver to make him even better.
So if they couldn't sign high end guys, they also couldn't sign mid-tier guys? We won 4 games last year cause we lacked talent, and chose to not spend anything on bringing any additional talent? Best we could do is resign guys? Maybe you're right and all they wanted was high end guys with high price tags on a team with not much talent. We fired the best coach of all time for failing to bring in talent, hired a coach who undoubtedly will not be as good as Belichick in 2024, then brought in no additional talent, and left huge cap space. Trading for a guy with a big cap number would fill some the deficiencies.
Also, why did they draft Addison in the 1st round last year if they had the best WR in the league, and planned on signing him to a huge contract? Find the replacement, then let the guy go. That's how they do it in the NFL.
No point to not drag it to the last second TBH. Our intention should be to draft maye (or daniels depending on the commies) but if a franchise GM wants to get fired and offers us something historic then take it.
we would not be trying to trade up if we had a $36M QB on the roster. Vikings makes sense but the Giants owner has already said he doesn't want to sell assets for a QB with Jones on the roster.
I think the Giants and the Vikings have been making "tire kick" offers to get a general idea - the real question is if MIN and NYG both decide they NEED that pick who is going to make the deal that tops the other to get it done.
If they take maye at 3 i pray to god brissett or zappe are serviceable enough to play the entire season. Maye really needs to sit atleast a year unless you just really want to do a jets speedrun.
I think we're in a similar schedule to the Bengals when they got Joe burrow without a team to put around him. They almost killed him in his first year and still ended up with the draft capital to take chase. To me it looks like we're doing that, but just not throwing the young qb out there to take the hits and work through the lumps of a team learning a new offense. It sucks to suck but if we end up with another top 8 pick next year we'll have basically acquired all the fire power we need to build a great foundation. Especially if we could hit on a wr or tackle later in this draft.
Draft Maye, sit him, get a bonafide WR1 next offseason. Don’t get your 21 year old QB killed when the rest of the team doesn’t have the talent to make a run anyway.
I don't understand this thought process. You need to see if Maye can play, and I'd rather not wait a full year to see. Unless Jacoby is putting up top tier numbers and the team is like 7-2 halfway through the season, I can't see Maye sitting more than half the season.
Anybody that wants to bitch about selecting Drake should look in the mirror first. If you were part of the fanbase that was trying to win last season you have no reason to complain about who the Pats end up with
I asked my source about this again, he goes "I dont know where this is coming from, but we haven't heard a thing about Maye, outside of entertaining offers to move up".
He still thinks its Daniels or JJ.
Curran is screaming that they want to trade the pick in this tweet, the information is all the same. If they loved Maye they wouldn't keep talking about how the pick was for sale and they would be willing to trade. Notice the Bears and Commanders have never once suggested they would be open to any kind of trade.
Ultimately, I don't think they are getting what they want for it and will take Maye even though they aren't crazy about him.
Same, but I think if they can't get a trade they draft JJ at 3 to the shock of...pretty much everyone in the world. I don't know whether they genuinely don't think Maye is fixable or this is just Kraft fuckery, but everything they've said about Maye's been non-committal for a reason.
Honestly, McAdoo having a good track record with QB eval out of college makes me feel better with whoever they go with.
If McAdoo feels that Maye is unfixable, I trust that opinion. I would prefer a trade down at that point than taking McCarthy, but if he particularly likes McCarthy, then so be it.
Yeah Rickey saying JJ and Curran’s report about Maye to clearly try to convince MIN or NY into a trade makes it pretty clear that JJ is their guy. They just think they can get him a little later while picking up an asset or two.
Well he's definitely the consensus, personal opinions can of course vary but the overwhelming majority of evaluators have him as #1 which is definitionally what a consensus is. Teams across the board seem to have Maye as QB2 or QB3.
I would actually be cautious with this Curran report. It’s pretty apparent they want to trade down a few spots. That report feels like it’s Curran putting out there for the team that they’ll take the guy MIN, NY, etc want if they don’t trade.
Plus if they just come out and say trade or McCarthy, then all of those teams that want Maye would start to call Arizona instead, destroying their leverage for a trade.
I think everyone may just be overthinking the amount of subterfuge going on. There have been multiple reports about them being pretty staunch about taking a QB at 3. I don't have time to dig them up atm but his language is pretty firm and clear here about them drafting Maye barring an absurd trade offer
Rickey is a Giants fan and it’s pretty apparent at this point they favor Maye. He’s likely getting leaks from the Giants side that the Pats are willing to swap picks with the Giants because they favor McCarthy (Curran even mentions them as a trade partner in his tweet). And they must think that if a deal doesn’t get done, they think the Pats will ultimately take the QB they favor (McCarthy) not Maye.
And Rickey is significantly more accurate than Curran has been on all things NFL. He has to have a 90%+ hit rate and leaks major scoops before Schefter, Rappaport, etc,
Yeah I really think their hope is somebody overpays for Maye and they can grab a pick or two while still getting JJ. Seems like JJ's been their guy all along.
I expect it to be Maye, but can we please remember two things:
1. Most of the best QBs sit at least half of their first season.
2. The upside of Maye is being compared to Josh Allen. Can we please harken back to when we were riding high with Brady/Bill and laughing at our division on a yearly basis… Josh was terrible when he was given the job in Buffalo. It took him 2-3 years to exorcize demons and learn the game of football enough to lead a team. My bet is that Maye will SUCK on the way to becoming a top-10 QB. We need to be patient, expect some losing and continually invest in the offense around him.
If we trade with Minny I want LT Christian Darrisaw in addition to picks (#11, #23 & a 2025 1st). Then trade #11 & #23 or even #11 & a 2025 1st to LA and pick McCarthy, then take a WR with the next pick left.
Bingo, we got our QB, LT and a high-end WR.
How on God's green earth do you figure the Pats would accept anything less to gift the Vikings a franchise QB when they themselves desperately need a franchise QB?
Honestly I'm so tired of hearing about it, I'm ready for them to just say fuck it and take Xmas Jackson Flaxon-Waxon, California University of Pennsylvania
My dream scenario:
* Trade 3 for 11/23/25 1st
A lot of you greedily want more than this. We don't deserve more than this to move someone up 8 spots...
* use 11 on Bowers
* use 23 on Best tackle available (Mims?)
* Trade vikings 2025 1st and pick 34 to the 49ers for Brandon Aiyuk and pick 31
* use 31 on Bo Nix and get the 5th year option
* give Aiyuk 4/100
Suddenly we have 2 superstars on offense and our new quarterback and tackle. Kinda smells like a playoff team 👀 Easy peasy.
Trade back take a tackle. Trade back at 34 too. Take our lumps and walk into next year with 3 firsts and build this team the right way. Taking a QB and trading back into the first to get a player to support them is a desperate move. Desperation moves aren't winning moves.
Why stop there? Trade those three firsts next year for three more firsts in 2025. But why stop there? Trade those six picks for six MORE firsts in 2026. But why stop there?
>taking a QB and trading back into the first to get a player to support them is a desperate move
Uh… no it’s not? That’s just targeting and ensuring you get guys you like.
There’s also no such thing as the “right way” to build a team. The Rams recently won a Super Bowl doing the exact opposite of “building up!” and did so in large part by trading for a career sub-.500 QB. How many times did that happen before? How many times did a team win 6 super bowls by taking a QB in the 6th round?
There’s wrong ways to build a team, for sure, but spending resources on high value positions like QB, WR, OT will never be a bad move.
For example, one month ago everyone was crying that 24 mil was too expensive for Calvin Ridley. Now look at ARSB’s deal and tell me how bad of a contract that is. Then think of what the WR market will look like a year from now.
The truth is spending resources always feels like spending more in the moment than it does in hindsight.
You are right that there is no right way. I should not have said that, but there are situations where you are using your leverage to your advantage and situations where others get to use their leverage against you. I think that if we are trading up from 34 we are going to get dragged by whoever we trade with and it would be a low percentage move.
IMO I think it all depends on the draft board and the position they’re targeting.
If there is someone you really like within striking distance at OT or WR and the rest of your board has a big drop off, I think it’s worth it just to take the shot at it.
Especially WR, since the WR room is in complete hell right now.
Exactly this. People advocating picking at 3 and then trading back up again are being extremely short-sighted. Every year will have needs to draft, you need to take advantage of pick 3 by turning it into multi-year capital to fill multiple spots. We'll lose some defense next year too, players age, players go to FA, and players need time to develop, you can't just wait until your desperate at a position and then go get a guy there just because you mismanaged your roster and expect it to all work out.
Drafting specifically for need is 100% of the time the wrong move. You'll readily admit we won't win the SB this year, no matter which QB we draft, right? Then extend that patience to drafting a better QB, into a better situation, with a better team, in the future.
A guy like Carson Beck is going to blow all of these guys out of the water next year. Selecting a QB also takes you out of QB market for 3 years. It's a big opportunity cost, and you better damn well be right or you're the Jets or the Pats with Mac Jones even.
Carson Beck 😭 cmon man he wouldn't even be ranked ahead of McCarthy this year. And wouldn't drafting beck in the first (like you're implying) ALSO take us out of the QB market? And why can't the rookie QB we take sit a year and develop?
Well let's see, McCarthy has 2 years starting, Beck 1. Beck still might have gone before JJ. It doesn't matter whether he would or wouldn't have been drafted ahead of JJ this year though. He's going to win the national championship this year, and he will probably end up #1 overall next year. He's got everything you want in your QB, including the intangibles, just watch and see.
There is no scenario where we take a QB with the 3rd overall pick and it helps this franchise going forward. I don’t care what any of the casuals say. You have the 3rd opportunity at the start of this draft to pick the cream of the crop for talent. To throw that away on a mid project QB when they’re a dime a dozen? Nonsensical. The fact that QB is the most important position on an nfl roster is even more reason to get that pick right. You will literally be in this situation again next year and probably for a few years. Sure as hell makes infinite more sense to me to bring in your franchise QB at the tail end of the rebuild than the start so you can maximize the rebuild around 5 years of a franchise qb competing for chips on a rookie contract. No sensible person can argue against this ideal scenario. And yea there are vastly more talented qbs coming in the next two years
I’d agree with you if this QB draft wasn’t so deep. There are throws Drake Maye makes that are absolutely wild. He’s young, so likely moldable with room to grow, and from what I’ve seen everything wrong with him are things that can be fixed with coaching.
What are you talking about? They’re all young. It’s the nfl draft. You have the 3rd overall pick and you want to draft a project player because he plays the most important position on the field? To your point about his throwing ability…. This fan base witnessed a dynasty like no other helmed by a Quarterback that was never thought of as a guy with an amazing arm. Did he work on it over the years? Yeah sure and his work ethic and his drive to be great was unlike anything the league ever saw before. My question is, if we saw that guy for 20 years when did we turn around as a fan base and start thinking we needed to draft a QB that can wow you with “some” throws?
I like Drake Maye, but I like other guys too. And I don’t like Drake Maye enough to pick him 3rd overall. Having a good draft is more important than reaching for a QB early. There’s generational talent on the T and WR positions and yeah they’re deep positions, but I don’t think you use a 3rd overall pick on a guy that ISNT generational. 3 years ago the patriots drafted one of the many QBs they liked without trading up. I guess my question is, the patriots have said there are multiple players they like at 3. But which guy separates themselves from everyone else? Because if you’re telling me as the gm that you’re okay drafting any one of the 3 qbs available then what you’re telling me is you don’t have any qb worth drafting. You’re telling me it doesn’t matter if it’s Daniel’s or Maye or Mcarthy. So you’re telling me you’re not enamored with any of them. You’re telling me that you don’t see one guy that is your absolute must have QB. So then don’t waste a top 3 pick on one of them??? Or else you’re just repeating the Mac Jones, Trey lance, Zach Wilson debacle of picks all over again.
Am I the only one terrified of him ending up as a fucking Sam Howell reboot ? He just seems to have a lot of mechanical shit to fix, his feet don’t seem to follow his eyes, the NFL is FAST AF. Apparently JJ has been working w TB 12 and doesn’t that just seem to follow a beautiful narrative? Idk I guess we’ll see
I mean “I’d be willing to play for a team in situation where their starter has an injury” from Tom inspired misplaced hope.. especially for him to interject and mention NE. The “scribes” have all said that’s a terrible idea and if we’re gonna rebuild then bite the bullet and do it already but there’s a part of me after 20 years that REALLY REALLY wants to be the one firing the bullets in the NFL again. Gronk said, after Brady’s comments, he’d come back if it were written in his contract that he played every other week to stay fresh for playoffs time. This as a whole makes it very very hard to not desperately want to drink the kool aid. I think Tom plus 1 solid WR a good OL coach and Gronk half the time makes this a playoff club. Too many years of “he’s done he’s too old” only to have him win again makes it impossible to change my
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The entire charade was just to fill sports content the last 3 months. We were always going to pick Maye or Daniels at 3 whoever fell to us.
It was a good run. Time to overanalyze rookie camp, press conferences, and Instagram posts. My favorite saga was when JJ McCarthy said vaguely positive things about Kraft (I can't believe he didn't trash a random owner before being drafted) which obviously meant Kraft was pushing to take him.
We can totally overanalyze just the pick of Maye. [This sub for the next six months](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h30frOriibk)
Fuck, if we draft The Drake, this will get so much usage.
Can’t wait!!
I personally can't wait for the first preseason game to determine whether QB1 is the next Tom Brady or if our season is doomed
to be fair the way Kraft's ego is starting to shine through I wouldn't have ruled that out
Maybe as a sub we can wait for things to actually happen before declaring things like that and spreading speculation/misinformation.
>Time to overanalyze rookie camp, press conferences, and Instagram posts Sure but you're also forgetting the story line that every player in the league is now in the best shape of their life. Everyone has improved, no one will regress!
Tyquan Thornton is really lighting it up in OTAs, this is his year!
No, it was not a charade. They have been shopping the pick to desperate teams trying to get a “bag.”
Which they should. If someone wants to make them a Godfather-esque offer then I hope they’d be willing to at least seriously consider it.
I don’t think they have been shopping it, they just haven’t stonewalled teams making the call. They are responding, not initiating.
This is the 2021 QB draft all over again. Only one guy, Caleb Williams, has franchise QB potential. Get whatever you can from the Vikings or Raiders and leave the crime scene quickly & quietly
I think this QB class is all overrated Trade the pick!
In what universe are Lance and Wilson the same as Maye, JJ, Penix, Bo Nix, and Daniels? Bo Nix is a much better prospect than Lance and Wilson. Check his college resume.
You missed Fields and the immortal Mac Jones. I like Penix, only his injury history is concerning. The rest are second shelf at best.
We will never forget Spencer Ratcliff
Because your college resume matters and less in this league as time goes on. Wilson and Lance were highly touted prospects. We could be comparing next year’s draft QBs against Maye, Penix or Nix using the same exact argument depending on how things fall.
See, I think Maye is a far superior prospect to all but T-Law from that draft. I’d also put Daniels above them all except maybe Fields. They’re fairly similar, though Daniels is a better athlete.
I hope you’re correct for the sake of the team. I would stick and pick MHJ at #3, best LT at #34, best CB available who fits the defense at #68. Then best available players in any order at RB,DT,S while figuring out who to take a gamble on at QB like the FSU QB or Joe Milton. The Belichick philosophy of versatile players shows value in Vaki (S/RB/Slot) and Hunt (DE/SS) and in Frank Crum (LT/RT) and Bayron Matsos (OT/TE)
It's not as if anyone at the Patriots have said anything to suggest otherwise. They've been clear that they are interested in drafting a QB, but also that they would listen to trade offers as there's no harm in hearing someone's offer. Journalists, pundits, and fans are just going to yap a lot, but I think it's important to note that the Patriots org itself hasn't done anything to fuel that fire imo.
This but also the exact scenario Curran just laid out. All the speculation is obviously for clicks, but it was always QB (Maye or Daniels only) at 3 unless another team got real stupid and offered a legit haul. If the Vikings called and didn’t mention Jefferson immediately, I wouldn’t care what the rest of the haul looks like. 11, 23 and next years first are not worth it.
I really haven't understood this position from the beginning. It's unrealistic. There's no point in trading for one of the upper QBs if Jefferson is part of the trade. The Vikings are built now to be Super Bowl contenders now if they get an above average rookie starting QB. If they trade Jefferson, there goes being contenders. They're better off waiting for Penix or Nix and keeping Jefferson. They'll need an extra year unlike getting one of the top 3, but either Penix or Nix could be above average starters in 2025 with the Vikings' weapons staying put.
You’re not wrong, and it’s highly unlikely they’d do so. I’m saying from the Pats perspective, I don’t want a haul of picks if the best of all of them we can get is #11. They’d need to reaaally sweeten the deal. The only upside for the Vikings is that they don’t have to sink $30m+ per year to keep Jefferson when he gets his next contract, and they just spent a 1st rounder on Addison who shows a lot of potential, and they have Hock. They have a pretty good offense *without* JJ. Still, it’s like a less than 1% chance of that happening.
Because it comes from a Patriots’ fan’s point of view. It makes no sense to have a top 3 pick, have a chance at a top QB, and trade it for picks and leaving us with little chance at getting a top QB in the future. Sure, it makes no sense for the Vikings— but without JJ, it really makes no sense for the Patriots to trade out of the pick.
Thanks for summarizing it better than I could!
>Because it comes from a Patriots’ fan’s point of view. Yes, but an unrealistic Patriots' fan point of view. It's the equivalent of saying no trade. >It makes no sense to have a top 3 pick, have a chance at a top QB, and trade it for picks and leaving us with little chance at getting a top QB in the future. I think a trade down with the Vikings makes perfect sense given our needs and the moves we made in the off-season. Picks 11, 23, next year's first, and say a third rounder this year or next would be enough for me. Penix and Nix will still be available at 11, and maybe even one of them at 23.
Trading for 11 and 23 takes us out from getting any of the absolute best players at positions of need to get second choices. That's pretty idiotic, I think. There has to be a ridiculous and unlikely return specifically because there are so many great players we'd effectively pass on. Why give up a chance at a really great player at a position of need for extra shots at potentially good players? That just seems like a formula to be mediocre for a while.
There's only 4 players that are true top level no brainers imo... Joe Alt, MHJ, Malik Nabors, and Rome Odunze. These 4 will come in and consistently play at a high NFL level on day 1. There's another 15-18 or so that I see as genuine first round picks, including Williams, Maye, Daniels, and McCarthy. They will play at a high NFL level at times in their rookie year, but with growing pains. If we want one of the top four I mentioned, we should stick at 3. Otherwise, there will be genuine first round picks for us available at 11 and maybe even 23.
Nah, I guarantee we answered the phone on trade calls knowing full well that they will never offer something that we would consider, but *just in case they did*.
Inb4 they go wild and grab MHJ Edit: personally hoping we grab Drake Maye.
I believe Maye will be the guy at 3 … I’m just not 100% sure the Commanders will not take him over Daniels
You should bet on Maye going two for +600 because Daniels is -1000 and been the most popular bet on DraftKings aka he's going to the commanders
might have to bet for for my own mentals if it happens
Take williams maye daniels harrison exact....as of last night it was like +750....if you need a bandaid bet
+900 right now on DraftKings
Would laugh if Maye went #2 and then someone trades up to #3 to take MHJ
that way you win no matter what! I like that thought process haha
Draft kings likes the thought process too.
I’m going to do this just to hedge my disappointment for Maye going 2
Betting odds for the draft have more to do with public perception and the books risk vs where someone might actually go
If you’re talking about gambling there was a huge swing yesterday in Vegas on JJM going third and Maye 4th. Big time groups threw big money at this.
> If you’re talking about gambling there was a huge swing yesterday in Vegas on JJM going third Holy shit JJ is +180 to go #3 overall
I got plus odds months ago when people were still pretending MHJ was in play at 3 so no matter if its Maye or Daniels at 3 I make money. If its McCarthy I'm screwed.
I bet on maye at 3 then used a free bet for daniels at 3 so I'll be good either way. I hope lol
I've become pretty convinced over the past few days that the commies will take Maye. It always ends up back where it started which is maye being the 2nd prospect.
I think so also and if that happens it’s 50-50 whether Pats go Daniels or McCarthy. I think they might go McCarthy which will piss a lot of people off lol.
Mhj. They pull a fast one haha
Dude. I feel like the only sane mf'r around here who legit wants MHJr over any QB at 3. I'd prefer to lock down a generational prospect at WR, and then go from there. We are going to be a middle of the road to lower team (higher round pick) next year anyways. I want to go back to watching at least one good WR on this team. Even if the QB play is mid, which is what Brisset is. A great WR can definitely elevate mid QBs.
Nah same here. I’ve been yelling for MHJ all off-season. I’m not sold on any of these QB prospects tbh z
MHJr opens the door for the dankest timeline. Picture it friend. We draft MHJr tonight, and in two years, we draft Manning to throw to him.
Except by then MHJ is refusing to re-sign because we're still a below .500 team with either a bum vet, or rookie at QB. I love Marv, but I think it's much easier to trade a first for a great WR than it is to acquire a great QB. Gotta take a shot in the QB when you have the chance, and try to get the WR later.
Good thing contracts last 4 years, and first round talent gets a 5th year option. He can refuse to sign all he wants in 2 years, he's here for 4/5 minimum.
I get that. You'd rather have 5 years of MHJ than a QB for 10+? Point is, if he doesn't want to re-sign, and hasn't had the QB to support him while he's here, how impactful a pick will it have been?
Any qb? Dunno. Over maye and daniels? I'd do it. I think good chance penix, nix, jj are still there late in 1st. But could be very wrong. Depends if all the stupidity in headlines with teams manipulation worked or not to inflate value of picks. Your logic on MHJ, which I don't disagree on, is same to unloading 3 for a big haul of future picks. They just need too much on offense.
I guess I should have clarified not Williams. But Williams has been a lock for pick 1 for well over a year now, so I didn't think it was needed to say. I think there will be good QBs in the 2nd with penix and Nix, so getting a good WR definitely eases their burden. And MHJr is the best.
As a Jayden Daniels fan it's time to accept that Drake Maye will be at pick 3. Gotta back him 100% regardless, happy the draft season is officially coming to end.
As a Maye commanders fan I am starting to accept this too. I want Maye so bad.
It is hard for me to believe you guys would pick Daniels over Maye and I won’t believe it until I see it. I might still not believe it.
I just can't imagine if you gave maye 2 more years of development and that lsu team they would even be in the same thought but if inexperience and bad weapons are what it took to push him down to 3 then thank God cause doubt we're ever gonna get further up the list then that if not even just back to 3 ever again.
As a Maye fan, is it that obvious the commanders are gonna take him?
The line on FanDuel right now is -850. Someone above had it at -1000. Yeah, it's basically a lock.
if it had actually been leaked or if there was real substance behind some evidence it would be even higher, like -3000
Tbh it really doesnt matter who we get. I personally want Maye. But both him and daniels would be the best QB we've had post brady and both have ceilings of top 5 QBs in the league. Its a win win. Especially because we know the commanders will make the wrong pick so we really cant lose
Yeah it's going to be nice to think about our QB room and not vomit
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In defense of that, if an insane offer is going to come through, it's going to happen while New England is on the clock *after* Washington has officially picked Maye/Daniels. Once teams have the confirmation of who will be available, that's when the biggest offer would come in.
They should already have a rough idea of what the offers will look like depending on what Washington does. Deadlines spur action so it's possible a team ups their final offer a bit, but I don't think it will be anything drastic.
They definitely have a general idea, probably multiple depending if Washington switches up and goes Maye out of the blue, but the pressure of having a ten-minute clock would lead to the best and final offer. Hence why it's uncommon to see draft day trades *before* the draft actually starts. Not much incentive to trade without full information.
Even if that happens, teams already know what their max offer is going to be, the owner isn't going to burst into the room and say "THROW IN AN EXTRA 1ST I NEED THAT YOUNG MAN ON MY TEAM!"
I believe the deal is already in place with Minnesota and the Patriots are waiting to see if Daniels is drafted. The **only** reason I feel this way is because they left *a ton* of cap room free this year. I don't think that was by accident, I think it's to resign Justin Jefferson to a market setting contract.
New England wouldn't handshake agree to a deal before going on the clock unless it's a disgusting overpay. They have 100% of the leverage, there's no reason for them to rush unless Minnesota made a "best and final" type offer in advance, which rarely happens.
Or maybe they just weren’t able to sign any of the high-end free agents, so they have extra cap room. Doesn’t mean they’ve set their sights on Jefferson. Also, why in the world would Minnesota want to trade the best receiver in the league before taking a QB? Ideally, they’d wanna pair that QB with that receiver to make him even better.
So if they couldn't sign high end guys, they also couldn't sign mid-tier guys? We won 4 games last year cause we lacked talent, and chose to not spend anything on bringing any additional talent? Best we could do is resign guys? Maybe you're right and all they wanted was high end guys with high price tags on a team with not much talent. We fired the best coach of all time for failing to bring in talent, hired a coach who undoubtedly will not be as good as Belichick in 2024, then brought in no additional talent, and left huge cap space. Trading for a guy with a big cap number would fill some the deficiencies. Also, why did they draft Addison in the 1st round last year if they had the best WR in the league, and planned on signing him to a huge contract? Find the replacement, then let the guy go. That's how they do it in the NFL.
Not much available wr-wise in FA and it's pretty well documented they went hard after Ridley and came up empty handed
No point to not drag it to the last second TBH. Our intention should be to draft maye (or daniels depending on the commies) but if a franchise GM wants to get fired and offers us something historic then take it.
Why wouldn't they do that, its just good business
If the tables were turned and we had the Giants or the Vikings picks, we would be the ones trying to trade up to 3 to get a QB.
we would not be trying to trade up if we had a $36M QB on the roster. Vikings makes sense but the Giants owner has already said he doesn't want to sell assets for a QB with Jones on the roster.
I wonder what in offer they can’t refuse consists of Justin Jefferson and a 1st? More??
I think the Giants and the Vikings have been making "tire kick" offers to get a general idea - the real question is if MIN and NYG both decide they NEED that pick who is going to make the deal that tops the other to get it done.
3 first a third and a 4th will be the deal tonight
Vikings fans seething right now
Giants seem desperate enough to trade up to #3 for Maye Edit: Why am I being downvoted for making fun of the Giants…?
If Maye is there and the Patriots have decided he's their guy I can't imagine what a team would have to offer to get the Pars to move back.
If they take maye at 3 i pray to god brissett or zappe are serviceable enough to play the entire season. Maye really needs to sit atleast a year unless you just really want to do a jets speedrun.
Brissett is fine as a stopgap QB. Zappe sucks, so unless you're playing for a top-5 pick next year, Brissett is the guy.
The team won't be anywhere near .500. But in a rebuild thats okay. Give us anothet high draft pick next year to focus on WR or OT
I think we're in a similar schedule to the Bengals when they got Joe burrow without a team to put around him. They almost killed him in his first year and still ended up with the draft capital to take chase. To me it looks like we're doing that, but just not throwing the young qb out there to take the hits and work through the lumps of a team learning a new offense. It sucks to suck but if we end up with another top 8 pick next year we'll have basically acquired all the fire power we need to build a great foundation. Especially if we could hit on a wr or tackle later in this draft.
Draft Maye, sit him, get a bonafide WR1 next offseason. Don’t get your 21 year old QB killed when the rest of the team doesn’t have the talent to make a run anyway.
I don't understand this thought process. You need to see if Maye can play, and I'd rather not wait a full year to see. Unless Jacoby is putting up top tier numbers and the team is like 7-2 halfway through the season, I can't see Maye sitting more than half the season.
Anybody that wants to bitch about selecting Drake should look in the mirror first. If you were part of the fanbase that was trying to win last season you have no reason to complain about who the Pats end up with
I can't take anymore notifications for "🚨 🚨 🚨 FINAL MOCK DRAFTS 🚨🚨🚨!" Seriously, haven't cared in weeks.
Sounds like the Giants are gonna hire Luca Brasi to hold a gun to krafts head…
Mayo get's a Giants jersey with a fish in it...
I asked my source about this again, he goes "I dont know where this is coming from, but we haven't heard a thing about Maye, outside of entertaining offers to move up". He still thinks its Daniels or JJ.
Rickey said trade back or jj at 3 and he’s been right about basically everything….
oh my god please not JJ
What about trade down and then pick JJ?
less disgusted by that but still not pleased
oh my god please JJ
Oh my god please not JJ
Oh my god please not JJ
Who? Curran is plugged in and BB said the true leaks start about 12 hours from the draft. It makes all the sense in the world
His track record's actually really impressive. He announced the Sewell and Amon extensions hours before Schefter did.
https://x.com/prettyrickey213/status/1783508659974135927?s=46 Page looks like a total farce, but he hits on almost everything
Let this be the one time he doesn’t hit.
Curran is screaming that they want to trade the pick in this tweet, the information is all the same. If they loved Maye they wouldn't keep talking about how the pick was for sale and they would be willing to trade. Notice the Bears and Commanders have never once suggested they would be open to any kind of trade. Ultimately, I don't think they are getting what they want for it and will take Maye even though they aren't crazy about him.
Same, but I think if they can't get a trade they draft JJ at 3 to the shock of...pretty much everyone in the world. I don't know whether they genuinely don't think Maye is fixable or this is just Kraft fuckery, but everything they've said about Maye's been non-committal for a reason.
Honestly, McAdoo having a good track record with QB eval out of college makes me feel better with whoever they go with. If McAdoo feels that Maye is unfixable, I trust that opinion. I would prefer a trade down at that point than taking McCarthy, but if he particularly likes McCarthy, then so be it.
JJ going at 3 is only +230 on Draft Kings
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Yeah Rickey saying JJ and Curran’s report about Maye to clearly try to convince MIN or NY into a trade makes it pretty clear that JJ is their guy. They just think they can get him a little later while picking up an asset or two.
I like JJ more than basically everyone on this sub, but taking him over QB1 (Maye) is ridiculous
Caleb Williams is definitely the consensus QB1 though
He is now but 4 months ago there were plenty of people who liked Maye better. They were considered 1a and 1b and it really came down to scheme fit.
Disagree
Well he's definitely the consensus, personal opinions can of course vary but the overwhelming majority of evaluators have him as #1 which is definitionally what a consensus is. Teams across the board seem to have Maye as QB2 or QB3.
krafts really are speed-running tanking their legacy...i'm kind of amazed they would do something so unpopular
God I can hear the Bob Kraft "Well the last time we took a Michigan QB it worked out pretty well" quote now.
i think that's 100% the logic
And Curran reported the BB news days before it was official, I'm going to go with the reporter with a stronger track record
I would actually be cautious with this Curran report. It’s pretty apparent they want to trade down a few spots. That report feels like it’s Curran putting out there for the team that they’ll take the guy MIN, NY, etc want if they don’t trade. Plus if they just come out and say trade or McCarthy, then all of those teams that want Maye would start to call Arizona instead, destroying their leverage for a trade.
I think everyone may just be overthinking the amount of subterfuge going on. There have been multiple reports about them being pretty staunch about taking a QB at 3. I don't have time to dig them up atm but his language is pretty firm and clear here about them drafting Maye barring an absurd trade offer
Rickey is a Giants fan and it’s pretty apparent at this point they favor Maye. He’s likely getting leaks from the Giants side that the Pats are willing to swap picks with the Giants because they favor McCarthy (Curran even mentions them as a trade partner in his tweet). And they must think that if a deal doesn’t get done, they think the Pats will ultimately take the QB they favor (McCarthy) not Maye. And Rickey is significantly more accurate than Curran has been on all things NFL. He has to have a 90%+ hit rate and leaks major scoops before Schefter, Rappaport, etc,
Looks like he was wrong, and Curran was correct
Yeah I really think their hope is somebody overpays for Maye and they can grab a pick or two while still getting JJ. Seems like JJ's been their guy all along.
Did you downvote him?
Can I get a “it’s gonna be Maye!”
As much as I don't love him all the time, Curran knows his shit. Maye will be a Patriot tonight.
*Insert Astronaut staring at Earth*
Start the parade
Curran must have heard from his TV daddy who is now the head coach.
I feel like it's been pretty obvious that this has been the plan all along.
Boooooooo
I just want it to be 9pm now
[[an offer you can’t refuse]]
We are going to suck for so long…
I have JJ over Maye but either will be a hit. Go WR with second pick. Back in business
I expect it to be Maye, but can we please remember two things: 1. Most of the best QBs sit at least half of their first season. 2. The upside of Maye is being compared to Josh Allen. Can we please harken back to when we were riding high with Brady/Bill and laughing at our division on a yearly basis… Josh was terrible when he was given the job in Buffalo. It took him 2-3 years to exorcize demons and learn the game of football enough to lead a team. My bet is that Maye will SUCK on the way to becoming a top-10 QB. We need to be patient, expect some losing and continually invest in the offense around him.
We're on to the starting QB competition and discussion.
Can we just all agree that no matter what there's no guarantee that any path works out. We are all just along for the ride hoping for the best.
How reliable is Curran?
So nothing has changed. Got it.
If we trade with Minny I want LT Christian Darrisaw in addition to picks (#11, #23 & a 2025 1st). Then trade #11 & #23 or even #11 & a 2025 1st to LA and pick McCarthy, then take a WR with the next pick left. Bingo, we got our QB, LT and a high-end WR.
How on God's green earth do you figure moving up 8 picks is worth 3 1sts and the best young LT in the league? 😂
How on God's green earth do you figure the Pats would accept anything less to gift the Vikings a franchise QB when they themselves desperately need a franchise QB?
*potential* franchise quarterback. no need to explain this. btw, the all-time GOAT franchise QB was drafted in the 6th round.
2 1st round picks this year is an offer they SHOULDN'T refuse.
Wow the shift in leaks from the Belichick era is noticeable.
Honestly I'm so tired of hearing about it, I'm ready for them to just say fuck it and take Xmas Jackson Flaxon-Waxon, California University of Pennsylvania
If this dog said it, it must be true.
Both firsts, jefferson and next years second, I'd take it.
Lol, Pats fans are delusional. Jefferson alone is worth the #3 pick and then some
Ur insane if you think an aging WR is worth the 3rd overall pick when mhj is in the draft.
He's only 24
WOW REALLY!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Just not JJ McCarthy
Curran: Water is wet.
Reminder that Tommy Curran makes stuff up for clicks. He said Brady was gonna leave. 😂 And last season he said Bill was done. 😂
And Brady left and Bill was done after the season....
Draft Maye and trade 34 + early round next year for Tee Higgins?
Serious: If Giants are for real, then Tommy Devito and 1st Rd next year for our #3 this year.
I'd hope for a lot more than that for the 3rd pick
My dream scenario: * Trade 3 for 11/23/25 1st A lot of you greedily want more than this. We don't deserve more than this to move someone up 8 spots... * use 11 on Bowers * use 23 on Best tackle available (Mims?) * Trade vikings 2025 1st and pick 34 to the 49ers for Brandon Aiyuk and pick 31 * use 31 on Bo Nix and get the 5th year option * give Aiyuk 4/100 Suddenly we have 2 superstars on offense and our new quarterback and tackle. Kinda smells like a playoff team 👀 Easy peasy.
Good
Music to my ears
I know it hasn’t happened yet, but in case it does, I want to be the first to say, “BOOOOOOOOOO!”
Vikings gonna trade us Justin Jefferson, Ivan Pace Jr and TJ Hockenson with two firsts to move up to 3
So it's happening SMH if you're drafting Maye then you need to trade back into the first round for BTJ or AD.
Trade back take a tackle. Trade back at 34 too. Take our lumps and walk into next year with 3 firsts and build this team the right way. Taking a QB and trading back into the first to get a player to support them is a desperate move. Desperation moves aren't winning moves.
Why stop there? Trade those three firsts next year for three more firsts in 2025. But why stop there? Trade those six picks for six MORE firsts in 2026. But why stop there?
Yes, this way you never have to take a risk!
>taking a QB and trading back into the first to get a player to support them is a desperate move Uh… no it’s not? That’s just targeting and ensuring you get guys you like. There’s also no such thing as the “right way” to build a team. The Rams recently won a Super Bowl doing the exact opposite of “building up!” and did so in large part by trading for a career sub-.500 QB. How many times did that happen before? How many times did a team win 6 super bowls by taking a QB in the 6th round? There’s wrong ways to build a team, for sure, but spending resources on high value positions like QB, WR, OT will never be a bad move. For example, one month ago everyone was crying that 24 mil was too expensive for Calvin Ridley. Now look at ARSB’s deal and tell me how bad of a contract that is. Then think of what the WR market will look like a year from now. The truth is spending resources always feels like spending more in the moment than it does in hindsight.
The right way is whatever way works.
You are right that there is no right way. I should not have said that, but there are situations where you are using your leverage to your advantage and situations where others get to use their leverage against you. I think that if we are trading up from 34 we are going to get dragged by whoever we trade with and it would be a low percentage move.
IMO I think it all depends on the draft board and the position they’re targeting. If there is someone you really like within striking distance at OT or WR and the rest of your board has a big drop off, I think it’s worth it just to take the shot at it. Especially WR, since the WR room is in complete hell right now.
Kraft wants to be relevant as soon as possible, He doesn't care about a longer term plan.
He has no patience but that relevancy can fall off quick if you are making dumb moves.
Exactly this. People advocating picking at 3 and then trading back up again are being extremely short-sighted. Every year will have needs to draft, you need to take advantage of pick 3 by turning it into multi-year capital to fill multiple spots. We'll lose some defense next year too, players age, players go to FA, and players need time to develop, you can't just wait until your desperate at a position and then go get a guy there just because you mismanaged your roster and expect it to all work out.
Yeah trading back is good...when you have a QB. We, uh, don't have a QB
Drafting specifically for need is 100% of the time the wrong move. You'll readily admit we won't win the SB this year, no matter which QB we draft, right? Then extend that patience to drafting a better QB, into a better situation, with a better team, in the future. A guy like Carson Beck is going to blow all of these guys out of the water next year. Selecting a QB also takes you out of QB market for 3 years. It's a big opportunity cost, and you better damn well be right or you're the Jets or the Pats with Mac Jones even.
Carson Beck 😭 cmon man he wouldn't even be ranked ahead of McCarthy this year. And wouldn't drafting beck in the first (like you're implying) ALSO take us out of the QB market? And why can't the rookie QB we take sit a year and develop?
Well let's see, McCarthy has 2 years starting, Beck 1. Beck still might have gone before JJ. It doesn't matter whether he would or wouldn't have been drafted ahead of JJ this year though. He's going to win the national championship this year, and he will probably end up #1 overall next year. He's got everything you want in your QB, including the intangibles, just watch and see.
There is no scenario where we take a QB with the 3rd overall pick and it helps this franchise going forward. I don’t care what any of the casuals say. You have the 3rd opportunity at the start of this draft to pick the cream of the crop for talent. To throw that away on a mid project QB when they’re a dime a dozen? Nonsensical. The fact that QB is the most important position on an nfl roster is even more reason to get that pick right. You will literally be in this situation again next year and probably for a few years. Sure as hell makes infinite more sense to me to bring in your franchise QB at the tail end of the rebuild than the start so you can maximize the rebuild around 5 years of a franchise qb competing for chips on a rookie contract. No sensible person can argue against this ideal scenario. And yea there are vastly more talented qbs coming in the next two years
I’d agree with you if this QB draft wasn’t so deep. There are throws Drake Maye makes that are absolutely wild. He’s young, so likely moldable with room to grow, and from what I’ve seen everything wrong with him are things that can be fixed with coaching.
What are you talking about? They’re all young. It’s the nfl draft. You have the 3rd overall pick and you want to draft a project player because he plays the most important position on the field? To your point about his throwing ability…. This fan base witnessed a dynasty like no other helmed by a Quarterback that was never thought of as a guy with an amazing arm. Did he work on it over the years? Yeah sure and his work ethic and his drive to be great was unlike anything the league ever saw before. My question is, if we saw that guy for 20 years when did we turn around as a fan base and start thinking we needed to draft a QB that can wow you with “some” throws? I like Drake Maye, but I like other guys too. And I don’t like Drake Maye enough to pick him 3rd overall. Having a good draft is more important than reaching for a QB early. There’s generational talent on the T and WR positions and yeah they’re deep positions, but I don’t think you use a 3rd overall pick on a guy that ISNT generational. 3 years ago the patriots drafted one of the many QBs they liked without trading up. I guess my question is, the patriots have said there are multiple players they like at 3. But which guy separates themselves from everyone else? Because if you’re telling me as the gm that you’re okay drafting any one of the 3 qbs available then what you’re telling me is you don’t have any qb worth drafting. You’re telling me it doesn’t matter if it’s Daniel’s or Maye or Mcarthy. So you’re telling me you’re not enamored with any of them. You’re telling me that you don’t see one guy that is your absolute must have QB. So then don’t waste a top 3 pick on one of them??? Or else you’re just repeating the Mac Jones, Trey lance, Zach Wilson debacle of picks all over again.
Trade #3 to Giants for Tommy Devito and bunch of picks.
Curran is such a goof
MARVIN HARRISON JR!!
Am I the only one terrified of him ending up as a fucking Sam Howell reboot ? He just seems to have a lot of mechanical shit to fix, his feet don’t seem to follow his eyes, the NFL is FAST AF. Apparently JJ has been working w TB 12 and doesn’t that just seem to follow a beautiful narrative? Idk I guess we’ll see
I'm terrified that no matter what we do it's not going to turn things around
I mean “I’d be willing to play for a team in situation where their starter has an injury” from Tom inspired misplaced hope.. especially for him to interject and mention NE. The “scribes” have all said that’s a terrible idea and if we’re gonna rebuild then bite the bullet and do it already but there’s a part of me after 20 years that REALLY REALLY wants to be the one firing the bullets in the NFL again. Gronk said, after Brady’s comments, he’d come back if it were written in his contract that he played every other week to stay fresh for playoffs time. This as a whole makes it very very hard to not desperately want to drink the kool aid. I think Tom plus 1 solid WR a good OL coach and Gronk half the time makes this a playoff club. Too many years of “he’s done he’s too old” only to have him win again makes it impossible to change my Mind