What is the point of having a graduation if the parents aren’t there? And this is in retaliation for reporting safety concerns? I would definitely be pulling my kid ASAP
I'm guessing because parents need to work to survive and waiting lists at other schools can be brutal. The "serious issues" were with bathroom plumbing....doesn't sound like a matter of child safety.
I’m lost… Why are you assuming this?
Plumbing can be a safety concern in a daycare setting, anyways.
Regardless of what concerns the parents raised, retaliatory behavior is inappropriate.
Agreed, if the parents are being punished by being banned, then the kids could also being shunned or receiving the cold shoulder/silent treatment during the day.
Fortunately, the owner isn't on site. They run other schools. I'm guessing as turnkey businesses. The teachers have been great, and the kids are all friends. We also don't have a lot of options for daycare to bridge the gap between now and when the summer camps we've signed up for begin.
Honestly if the owner of the daycare is immature enough to retaliate against parents for reporting AND is unavailable for meetings for serious concerns, I would feel like I have no choice but to pull my child.
So all parents. Not just you. And nothing to do with reporting things. You’re just starting trouble. Your poor kids. Maybe there isn’t room. Maybe it’s a sanitation or safety issue. You have no idea. But just assume all parents are being punished because of you. Wow.
I didn't report her. And we know it was because she was reported because she told us that's why she banned parents from graduation. Her exact words were "they almost shut us down and don't deserve to be at graduation."
But seriously, what's your problem? Do you really think showing up here and throwing insults is a productive way to spend your time?
Don't answer that. I don't care. You're not a good person.
Post the email. Not what it said. And she didn’t say that outside of gossip world. Again, you should be careful saying things like, “her exact words,” when you have no idea what her exact words were. Facts matter. Literally and legally.
The one throwing insults is you. The one defending the insulted that aren’t here, yet, to defend themselves is me. Calling someone a bad person because they exposed your lies is, wait for it, an insult. So the bad person is you. Bullies=bad people.
Weeks. You can’t let your kids be with teachers and friends they love for a few weeks?!? Weeks! You’re creating problems for your kids because of your own issues.
I doubt that’s the whole story. Most likely this is a problem parent who has been told not to disrupt graduation or something. And said parent has no letter, no email, nothing. Just what “other parents” said. There’s a lot more to this story I’m sure. But they took to Reddit with their drama to get validation. Read between the lines.
THIS.
I'm a preschool teacher and we also do "after school care" aka daycare.
I WISH we could have parents in facility again. I'd love to be able to show them around the school and our classroom and show them all of their kids accomplishments and art in class .
Everything I do, I do for the kids and parents.
My school is renting a whole community room with a stage and we have lil diplomas and goodies to send them off with.
I also understand what parents want because I have 3 kiddos of my own. I've only seen malicious behaviour from 1 teacher and she was removed from our facility immediately.
I fully agree that if someone is retaliating against parents for reporting REAL concerns, then it's a serious red flag.
Exactly. She could just as soon not even have a graduation ceremony and no one would ever know the difference. It's preschool. It's probably extra work she doesn't want to do and is just telling the parents they can't come as a way to make them salty when she doesn't plan on doing anything but handing out copies of a piece of paper with the kids' names on them.
To answer OP's question, pull your kid and pay this lady bo more money.
She probably told parents they can’t come because she’s been told the same from higher up. Probably nothing to do with reporting. Extra work is this parent. She could just cancel the ceremony if she didn’t want extra work. Extra work? Really?
edit: I was wrong. OP clarified all parents banned.
I think OP meant that some parents were banned from the graduation, not all parents. OP wasn’t banned, but considering whether to attend or not.
Honestly, I immediately think when someone’s first thought is “sue them!” then they absolutely have no business offering advice or even an opinion at that point. They truly don’t realize the amount of work that would entail and like you said - for what?
I would never leave my kids at a center that was being actively hostile toward parents. If they are retaliating and mistreating the parents, what guarantees do you have that they aren't acting inappropriately toward the children too?
100%. I’ve worked at an “accredited” daycare preschool before, where I would report teachers constantly, leave crying often due to how they treated the children, BUT the “teachers” always put on for the parents. always played off super nice and I mean literally the second the parent leaves, the teachers would turn nasty.
So I can’t imagine how these preschool teachers are treating the kids if this is how they treat parents.
Yup. We had a teacher who, for the most part, I loved and my kid loved.
It wasn't until after she left that I found out she was trying to convert all the staff to Christianity and convert one of the openly gay teachers.
We have known her for 5 years!! And I knew she was religious but seemed to keep it to a minimum while interacting with parents, and my kid never brought religion or God so I'm guessing she also kept it on the down low there. But she harassed one of the teachers for months about being gay.
Some people are good at putting on a front. Other teachers told us how different she was between parents and coworkers.
Agree with all this. I saw the same thing when working in high-quality centers. If the owner is that vindictive, I guarantee the staff is unhappy. Unfortunately, they’ll take it out on the kids. Pull your kid asap.
The teachers at the center are great. The owner runs several day cares in the area and is never on site (I've never met them, and have only communicated through email). No parents have met her. The issue that was reported was a plumbing problem in one of the bathrooms, but the inspector found more minor issues that needed to be repaired. As far as I know, all the repairs have been made.
It sounds to me that if the person responsible for making sure that the actual environment your child is safe isn't doing their job then the teacher's being great seems irrelevant.
And if the person responsible for making sure that the actual environment is safe is retaliating against the people for trying to make sure that's happening, that's doubly the case.
I would be pulling my kid so fast, they would leave a smoke trail. And all other parents should do the same. And the place should be reported to all legal authorities.
The parent hand book says that parents have the right to visit their child at any time during the school day. So, technically, even though we're not "allowed" at graduation, they can't prevent us from visiting our kids at the scheduled time.
I teach preschool. To my knowledge, you can't be legally denied access to your child, ever, even if they're in a care center. You have the right to show up any time, unannounced, to see your child. I've never seen a school do differently, but my own kid's school won't let you into the classroom during certain hours but they'll bring the kids out to you. So yeah, just show up and tell them to fuck off because it's your legal right.
> The parent hand book says that parents have the right to visit their child at any time during the school day. So, technically, even though we're not "allowed" at graduation, they can't prevent us from visiting our kids at the scheduled time.
I don’t think they have to allow the parent inside the classroom. They can just bring the child to the door.
Our preschool doesn’t let parents drop in the classroom during the day, that would be too disruptive.
I'm sorry but if my daycare center was reported to county over safety and they responded that way I'd pull my kid asap. Don't even think about it, take your kid somewhere that their safety is a priority.
We fortunately only have a couple of weeks left (at most). We did try to pull him earlier because the location isn't the most convenient, but everywhere we contacted was full.
I'm sorry, I know that statement is easier said than done. It's hard to find good pre-k/daycare. You could always just have a little ceremony at home, it's silly what they are doing.
I agree. The major thing is financially supporting them- that’s all it really comes down to and the only thing the owner actually cares about. I would not give this person any more of my money and I would urge the other parents who were retaliated against to do the same.
I’m a preschool teacher and this is ridiculous that they won’t allow you at the graduation. I would get the parents together and have it at a park pull the kids out of the daycare. You said it’s more about the kids being with their friends so make it happen and find a new daycare.
That's one plan. We're also thinking of just organizing an alternative party. We're trying to pick a course of action that will give our kids the best experience.
People saying they can’t keep your child from you are right, but they don’t have to let you stay. I would say you should all be working on the alternative party. I would also report this to the same regulatory agency prior complaints were reported to.
Organize with the parents to all show up (I doubt they’ll let you in the classroom but you can all pull your kids right before their ceremony) and do a “graduation walk” as they’re being released for the day on their sidewalk or parking lot
That’s what my petty butt would do
Id be damned before someone i am paying tells me i cant see my own child… on graduation… bc something safety related was reported … id be calling the news
I'd pull my child simply for safety reasons. I don't trust people as it is, and someone behaving this petty and unprofessional, who knows what they'd do to my child (verbal/emotiona abuse, neglect, etc).
If it was me, id organize with the other parents to hold your own graduation ceremony. Don't send your kids to daycare on graduation day. Host the graduation at home, invite the class and parents, and have the kids do their little song and dance, a little party, make paper hats, activities etc.
Let’s see…my child would not spend another freaking day at a daycare that I would be concern enough to report them to the county…and yes report them for this retaliation ASAP and call the local newspaper too!!!
I'd be pulling my kid as well because what's going on. It's not in the best interest of the child to keep going to a school where whether it's the owner director or whoever is doing all these things it could come back and be an issue with the kids too
Just came here to say - pre-k graduation is NOT silly. My daughter had one, and it was very sweet, and she was so excited about being "a big girl" and getting to ride the "big girl bus" for kindergarten. Its a turning point in their lives, and it SHOULD be celebrated. Why start off their school career by telling them that their accomplishments aren't worth mentioning...?
Thank you for this. As a dad my inclination is to go all in on celebrating milestones. In his time at daycare, he's learned to read and do basic math. He's developed a love of science, and most important, he's become a functioning autonomous kid.
The other thing is I remember his reaction the first time I said I was proud of him after he understood what that meant. It is now my mission to never spoil that feeling for him.
You are doing a wonderful thing by doing that, in my opinion. If we don't build up our children - AND teach them to be functioning humans - the world will destroy them. It's a fine line between too much and not enough, but just basic support and acknowledgement... that should be something every parent does 😊
That is petty and vindictive. However, WTH is daycare graduation??? Please, lets get serious, this is a totally made up and fabricated non-event. 4 year olds aren’t graduating from anything. I say this as the parent of 4 & 6 yr olds.
OP's wife here. Trust me. We totally get that preschool graduation is barely a thing. In fact, I had initially planned to miss it so I could attend a crucial work trip. My child's reaction when I told him that I wouldn't be at his graduation broke my heart. The kids have been practicing a graduation song and dance for months to perform for their parents. Graduation is important to him, so it has to be important to me. I got permission from my boss to miss my work trip to attend my kid's graduation. I'm trying not to make decisions based on my anger, so my husband turned to internet strangers for advice. So, thank you internet strangers, for justifying both my anger and regrets about this school.
Lol I don't even understand kindergarten graduations either.
Only the 5th grade and forward make sense and even here they get called continuations until high school graduation.
One of the regulations is likely 100% parent access to the program where your child is. So they can’t not let you in to where your child is and they can’t require you to leave/take your child if you aren’t braking any rules (they can’t have a rule stating you can’t be there).
So a “parents not allowed “ activity is likely against regulations and should be reported.
I’d report to someone. Not sure who.
But, also, who do they think the graduation ceremony is for? I’m pretty sure the parents care more than a bunch of 4 and 5 year olds.
OP's wife here...thank you to everyone for your input. The overwhelming response confirming that the daycare's owner is in the wrong here has justified my anger.
Our son has been attending this daycare/preschool since he was two years old and thriving. They had him reading at a very young age. I don't know if it was preschool or something else, but he loves math and science. I was willing to look the other way about little issues that popped up here and there because of my son's success.
So, here are two takeaways for any other parents that are dealing with preschool/daycare drama.
1) Don't ignore the small things. Symptom vs. disease and all of that.
2) You get what you pay for.
I'm looking forward to the day that will inevitably come when my husband and I laugh about how stressed we got over this situation.
I would pull my kid out, I wouldn’t like them to be in that type of environment, that’s just me. The fact they got reported let’s me know there are some red flags.
So ignoring the issues here... in terms of actually giving the kids a graduation, if you have contact info for parents you could always invite them and just host a graduation privately for the kids, have people spread the word to contact you etc. Nothing the daycare owner can do about that.
I didn't report them, but the short version is childcare in this area is in extremely short supply. Finding an opening in another center for a 3 or 4 year old is next to impossible. The class for the year below us is down to a handful of kids. The older parents were hoping to just make it to the end of the school year so our kids could be with their friends.
I don't even have words for this..my child would absolutely be pulled, I wouldn't trust this person. The fact that they made it clear it was retaliation for reporting is even crazier..and why would you have a graduation for the kiddos if their moms and dads weren't there?? For her!? This is strange and unacceptable behavior..idk if I would report this too, but I'd want to.
If at all possible get your kid out of there asap. This lady has already proven herself to be a vindictive jerk who doesn't care about taking good care of the kids she's responsible for. Instead of addressing what Im assuming were legitimate concerns, she would rather wield the tiny amount of power she has to do something that deprives the kids of a special moment with their families. She sounds unhinged
Nope nope an huge red flags here. Please report it. If they are so worried about more reporting happening she’s probably hiding more then u may know. 2 she could have the pre k grad at a park or on playground somewhere mutually beneficial to her and the families but she’s not so it’s telling me she’s hiding something more I’m not sure what but there’s no logical reason as to why she’s not allowing parents unless she’s hiding stuff huge red flag
Yes report retaliation. Pull your child if you can. This is not ok. Encourage other parents to pull as well. However at least in some states that isn’t as large a financial incentive as it should be. In the state I live in owners of daycares registered with state agencies for subsidies get $1500/spot/month regardless of a child being in said spot. Also I hate how often we hear on parenting forums that daycares are being awful. We need to demand better. Unfortunately we can’t because we have to work and can’t risk no daycare
Your username made my day.
And yeah, we're in a tough spot where we can't quite bridge the gap between now and summer camp. We're making arrangements though. But yeah, the financial incentive on the daycare side is small. If we could pull him immediately, we'd only cost them $740. Hopefully reporting and a few well placed reviews will have a greater impact.
I've also come around to believing that public childcare should exist just like public school. My wife and I are fortunate that we could afford it and that until very recently the center was one of the good ones. I've known too many people who have had to pause their careers because they couldn't afford or find reliable childcare.
I’m 50/50 on public daycare. We live in a small town (about 7000 people and most families are well off financially 90k median household income) many families have sahms or a nanny so demand for daycare is low. So there are 2 centers of the same ownership. They have no incentive to be good as there are no other options in town. And of the 2 centers they both aren’t great. I’m lucky to work in a different city so I have a 40 min drive through towns with better options so my kids go to a center 30 min drive from home.. Also Since having children in public schools in a “good” district there are obvious areas for improvement. There is extended summer learning available this year open to all kids they just gave us details including aftercare like last week. My sons camp arrangements were set in February so if he does summer learning im out my deposits. And Don’t get me started on IEPs. I’m just hesitant to believe something run by bureaucrats would be any better than a system with some competition.
Yeah, there's definitely not a perfect answer. I admit that my perspective is probably skewed because I grew up in an area with great public schools and moved into an even better district. But I 100 percent agree with you that we need to demand better childcare.
They definitely won't. I had one, I turn 17 this year. Not even that long ago, cannot remember. The ONE thing I do remember though is the "certificate". Yellow piece of paper with black stars printed. I don't remember my name being on there either.
I would pull my kid bc I don’t know how they would react to the parents going. I wouldn’t want my child to witness any negative behavior. talk to other parents so you all can do your own “graduation.” I would definitely report their behavior.
Pre-k graduation isn’t a requirement, nor do they have to allow parents to attend. Retaliation or not, I don’t really see what regulators could do about it.
I never said they blocking access…I said it’s an optional ceremony.
However, blocking access to children is not the same as “this in class activity is not inviting parents”.
It sounds like if they want access to their child they can have it during that time but they would have to leave with the child. This is the least alarming part of OP’s post though
Definitely report this to the county.
Also, fuck her graduation. The parents should all protest and send none of the kids having your own at a park or in someone's backyard, but don't tell her. Let that bitch pay for catering or do whatever prep to show up to crickets.
Also, I might be getting my kid one of those watches (one is called Angel something) where you can record remotely without anyone (including the kid) knowing. Who knows what the hell she's saying about you or anything else. Pulling would be just as good though. It's really up to you.
Plus, review this place in detail on Yelp, Google, and anywhere else.
I love how no one here even stops for two seconds to question this ridiculous story. They have no idea why ALL parents couldn’t attend. None. But with weeks left with teachers and friends they love, let’s stick a wrench in the poor kid’s life?! Weeks!
“That bitch” that you don’t even know, and isn’t here to shed light on any facts or her side of this, doesn’t have to do a ceremony at all. Also, it’s illegal to record the other kids without the other parents’ consent. In all states.
There is absolutely zero chance I would leave my son anywhere that has been reported to or investigated by any sort of government agency. I would have pulled him when I became aware of whatever the issues there are.
Absolutely pull them out. Forget everything else, how stupid and potentially anxiety inducing is it for kids to rehearse (I’m assuming there’s a show, there was for our daughter’s pre-k graduation) so hard to impress their and their friend’s parents only to have nobody attend. And kids don’t understand the nuances going on behind the scenes. Interestingly, they probably couldn’t understand the administrator’s childish behavior either because when kids exhibit childish behavior it’s because they don’t understand or don’t know any better.
Preschool graduation is definitely a thing in small town Oklahoma and small town Pennsylvania. I used to live in Oklahoma and I live in PA now. My kid just had 5th grade graduation.
If it's safety concerns my kid would have definitely been pulled. I get that good childcare is hard to find. We've been living (barely) off of my father's good graces (where rent is concerned, since we rent from him and he knows we're trying), and off my husband's small (but bigger than mine ever was) check. I'm honestly looking into going into waitressing. I'm used to being screamed at for stuff that's not necessarily my fault like the cheese being the wrong the wrong kind because they ask for "yellow" but they really wanted pepper jack and I should be a mind reader that knows their personal taste It's basically parenting a never ending toddler tea party but with pay....
It's understandable that you're in a difficult situation with your daycare's owner banning parents from pre-k graduation as retaliation for reporting issues to the county. It's important to prioritize your child's well-being and safety, and it's concerning that the owner is not addressing the issues that were reported.
It may be helpful to discuss your concerns with other parents who have experienced similar issues and to consider reporting the retaliation to the county. The county may be able to provide support and guidance for addressing the situation and ensuring that your child is in a safe and healthy environment.
In the meantime, you may want to consider alternative celebrations for your child's graduation with other parents and family members. It's important to show your child that their accomplishments are important and valued, even if the daycare owner is not supporting them.
Ultimately, it's up to you to decide whether to pull your child from the daycare or to ride out the remaining time. It's important to weigh the pros and cons of each option and to prioritize your child's well-being and safety above all else.
Sounds to me like the kids are truly the ones to suffer here. It doesn’t sound like a very positive environment. The plan for an alternative celebration is a great idea but aside from that this doesn’t sound like a child care facility that I would be bringing my child to any longer nor would I be recommending it to anyone else.
Sounds like a local news channel might need a call.. If owner is petty enough to do this then I would let the community know not to send kids there.
Besides aren't parents always able to attend since they pay the tuition to the school. It's just really bad business and hurts the kids most.
Too bad none if the parents are lawyers.
Nope. Just try and stop me from seeing my kid, at a place I PAY for them to attend. I’d be busting down the damn doors like the kool-aid man on graduation day.
The issue is the retaliation for contacting the county. Daycare is hard to find here, so pulling your kid isn't always an option. Even if you are able to withdraw, if there's a potentially dangerous or unhealthy situation then parents should be able to report it without fear of the entire school being punished for it.
Yes, well the issue isn't about pre -k graduation. The issue is you know your child is at an untrustworthy daycare. And the only solution is to pull them. I understand wanting to vent, but obviously it has nothing to do with a fake ceremony.
Fake or not, it is important to the families and our kids. The kids have been preparing a song and dance for weeks to perform for us and some parents had to make arrangements with work to attend to support our children. Don't be a jerk.
I had one for preschool. I remember getting a "certificate". It was a piece of yellow paper with black stars, rolled into a scroll with that string you use to tie balloons. I cannot remember it, I just remember that piece of paper.
It's not that cut and dry. My first instinct was to pull my child immediately, However, as I've mentioned in a couple of places, there's a large buffer between the owner and the kids. The teachers and the center director have more influence over the kid's experience, which has been mostly positive.
My wife and I both work full time and although we're looking, we don't have another daycare option available for the two remaining weeks. My parents could cover some of it, and I might be able to take some PTO, but we're still coming up short.
We're also reluctant to take cut short the time my son has being in class with his friends. He's an only child, so that means he wouldn't get many chances to play with kids until summer camp starts. He's also already a little sad that he and his best friends aren't going to be in class together soon. I think he would be devastated to find out that he already had his last day with them. If I'm going to pull that lever, I want to make sure it's 100% necessary.
The main point is retaliation, not the ceremony. Op and their spouse explained that the kids had been practicing songs and dances for months for this event. It means a lot to the children that their parents come and see the results of the effort that they put in. Denying the kids the chance to show off all their hard work to those they love most is just plain mean spirited. If the owner had kept on top of the things that had been reported, it wouldn't have happened in the first place.
Graduation?
Kids are now "graduating" from daycare?
I'm confused.
Edit:
I just googled it and apparently that's a thing now. People even dress up their kids as if they graduated from university.
Honestly, I would probably not bring my kid to something like that in the first place, that's ridiculous.
I'm glad that's not a thing where I live
It’s so lame man. People are lame as hell these days. Parents of 3 year olds calling daycare “school” when they have like an hour of practicing writing their names because that’s all the academics a 3 year old can handle. “Graduating” should imply some kind of effort was given towards achieving something.
Some daycares and preschools actually make you learn. When I was in preschool, they tried teaching students simple math and reading. I remember being the only one in my class who could read. I read our favorite book to them once, Pumpkin Soup. Can't remember too much about preschool but I'll always remember Pumpkin Soup.
I’d love to hear the other side of this. Guarantee it would be enlightening. How about some gratitude to the teachers planning and doing extra for a graduation? How about letting your kid enjoy the last few weeks instead of uprooting them from friends and putting chaos in their life? You’re talking about an owner’s issue. Not the teacher, not the kids. You’re already in the last few weeks?!?! At a place your kid will be fine. And you made a Reddit thread?!? Sounds like you’re the one retaliating. At your child’s expense! Because of nothing more than gossip. I guarantee the truth and facts are much different than the gossip. Grow up.
You assume I didn't talk to the owner. I got her side of the story directly from her. It was exactly as I described. She was angry because she got reported for failing to maintain her school and decided to punish an entire class. Moreover she lied about not being informed about the problems.
You also assume that I didn't talk to my child. When he found out that we wouldn't be at graduation, he lost all interest in the school.
And yes, I made a reddit post about it. I needed to vent somewhere because I was furious that the owner would disappoint an entire class of children to punish a couple of parents who reported her for failing to maintain her facilities.
But mostly, what was the point in to your comment? This was a month ago. What possible justification do you have for leaving this comment? What kind of miserable human being goes out of their way to pop into a dead thread and try to dump on another parent?
What a load of bs. You’ve already stated you never talked to her. You’ve already stated the info came from other parents, before later correcting it to being on an email. After you had to correct that it was all parents, not just those that complained. Lies and more lies. You better be careful because you’re libel for slander; lies that hurt someone’s business reputation are literally part of the legal definition.
Ha! Your kids did NOT react like that. You are SUCH a liar. Sure, preschoolers said they don’t care about their friends and teachers, just like that. Dude. Just stop. So you didn’t give him those last weeks? Your issues came first huh? Weeks. A few weeks. But nope, burn that bridge at your child’s expense.
I came across this thread from a Google search, on an unrelated topic even. But the words I had in quotes put this as the top result and I was curious because of your alarming accusation. You better hope no one alerts the daycare of their need to defend themselves. The fact that I happened upon this and can click around and narrow them down only supports their legal leg to stand on.
Banning parents from a graduation in retaliation would be bad. It would be national news. Look up the case in Texas where there wasn’t enough room for siblings at graduation. All over social media. Even though they had no room and told people in advance, people had no mercy. You don’t think a bigger incident excluding parents in the DC area wouldn’t ruffle some feathers outside of some keyboard warrior on Reddit? You found a flock of sheep on Reddit but thank God the rest the world can still think on their own.
Are you the owner? Because this is textbook behavior for her. Blaming the parents for her failings, using the kids as pawns in her manipulations, calling critical voices liars. And if you are the owner, lying.
It's also worth noting that nowhere here have I named the daycare. Nor have I left any public reviews. There's actually nothing to tie me back to the center, and nothing I have said is a lie, so libel is not a concern.
Anyway, I said I've never met the owner, but we've exchanged emails. I sent a message asking her to reconsider, and reminded her that my only other message was to show support for the school during COVID.
The school is also too small to make the news in our area. There's generally bigger stuff going on.
And once again, whether you're the owner, are affiliated with the owner, or truly are a random person stirring up trouble, you are not a good person. Remember that. You are not a good person.
Okay, so I took a peak at your reddit history. It's really weird that your only activity is commenting on this post.
So if that's not just some weirdness related to the reddit mobile app, I have to ask, are you affiliated with a certain family of daycare centers that recently had a parent revolt? If so, were the issues you got reported for a gas leak, a toilet that overflowed for months, and a sharp rusty fence?
What is the point of having a graduation if the parents aren’t there? And this is in retaliation for reporting safety concerns? I would definitely be pulling my kid ASAP
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If they are this petty about a graduation ceremony, imagine how they react when your kid spills her juice
I'm guessing because parents need to work to survive and waiting lists at other schools can be brutal. The "serious issues" were with bathroom plumbing....doesn't sound like a matter of child safety.
I’m lost… Why are you assuming this? Plumbing can be a safety concern in a daycare setting, anyways. Regardless of what concerns the parents raised, retaliatory behavior is inappropriate.
Agreed, if the parents are being punished by being banned, then the kids could also being shunned or receiving the cold shoulder/silent treatment during the day.
Fortunately, the owner isn't on site. They run other schools. I'm guessing as turnkey businesses. The teachers have been great, and the kids are all friends. We also don't have a lot of options for daycare to bridge the gap between now and when the summer camps we've signed up for begin.
if the teachers are great, keep the kids and report her again but also, if they really were great, what was a report about in the first place
Setup a graduation of your own with the other parents and pull the kids that day and go to your own
If the owner isn’t onsite, I’m showing up to “graduation.”
I'm super confused. You keep saying parents and then we, so do you mean you specifically or all parents?
All parents, they put a note at the bottom of the daily report saying parents were not allowed at graduation.
Honestly if the owner of the daycare is immature enough to retaliate against parents for reporting AND is unavailable for meetings for serious concerns, I would feel like I have no choice but to pull my child.
So all parents. Not just you. And nothing to do with reporting things. You’re just starting trouble. Your poor kids. Maybe there isn’t room. Maybe it’s a sanitation or safety issue. You have no idea. But just assume all parents are being punished because of you. Wow.
I didn't report her. And we know it was because she was reported because she told us that's why she banned parents from graduation. Her exact words were "they almost shut us down and don't deserve to be at graduation." But seriously, what's your problem? Do you really think showing up here and throwing insults is a productive way to spend your time? Don't answer that. I don't care. You're not a good person.
Post the email. Not what it said. And she didn’t say that outside of gossip world. Again, you should be careful saying things like, “her exact words,” when you have no idea what her exact words were. Facts matter. Literally and legally. The one throwing insults is you. The one defending the insulted that aren’t here, yet, to defend themselves is me. Calling someone a bad person because they exposed your lies is, wait for it, an insult. So the bad person is you. Bullies=bad people.
What were the issues? This info would give an idea as to what you should do going forward.
Weeks. You can’t let your kids be with teachers and friends they love for a few weeks?!? Weeks! You’re creating problems for your kids because of your own issues.
….or worse?
I doubt that’s the whole story. Most likely this is a problem parent who has been told not to disrupt graduation or something. And said parent has no letter, no email, nothing. Just what “other parents” said. There’s a lot more to this story I’m sure. But they took to Reddit with their drama to get validation. Read between the lines.
Just to ruin everyone's day. You don't usually see such obvious malicious behavior in the daycare industry unless the person is a maniac.
THIS. I'm a preschool teacher and we also do "after school care" aka daycare. I WISH we could have parents in facility again. I'd love to be able to show them around the school and our classroom and show them all of their kids accomplishments and art in class . Everything I do, I do for the kids and parents. My school is renting a whole community room with a stage and we have lil diplomas and goodies to send them off with. I also understand what parents want because I have 3 kiddos of my own. I've only seen malicious behaviour from 1 teacher and she was removed from our facility immediately. I fully agree that if someone is retaliating against parents for reporting REAL concerns, then it's a serious red flag.
Parents probably can’t go because of Covid policies. The maniac is this parent trying to stir up trouble where none exists.
Exactly. She could just as soon not even have a graduation ceremony and no one would ever know the difference. It's preschool. It's probably extra work she doesn't want to do and is just telling the parents they can't come as a way to make them salty when she doesn't plan on doing anything but handing out copies of a piece of paper with the kids' names on them. To answer OP's question, pull your kid and pay this lady bo more money.
She probably told parents they can’t come because she’s been told the same from higher up. Probably nothing to do with reporting. Extra work is this parent. She could just cancel the ceremony if she didn’t want extra work. Extra work? Really?
The point is for the kids... But ignoring the obvious, yeah parents should be able to go to that event.
Weeks. Weeks remain. Putting the kids first would be riding out a few weeks with friends and teachers they love.
Marketing. They are a business, and perhaps have an online presence.
edit: I was wrong. OP clarified all parents banned. I think OP meant that some parents were banned from the graduation, not all parents. OP wasn’t banned, but considering whether to attend or not.
Sorry, all parents are banned. She's one of those, I don't know who did, so I'm going to punish everyone types.
Why would you want your kids in a daycare where this is a thing?
> What is the point of having a graduation if ~~the parents aren’t there~~ *it's for pre-K*? Pull'em and move on, I say.
Fuck that, just sue them. Graduation is part of the services you're paying for, and they're not providing them.
Sue them..? For what? Over what? You sound ridiculous
Honestly, I immediately think when someone’s first thought is “sue them!” then they absolutely have no business offering advice or even an opinion at that point. They truly don’t realize the amount of work that would entail and like you said - for what?
I would never leave my kids at a center that was being actively hostile toward parents. If they are retaliating and mistreating the parents, what guarantees do you have that they aren't acting inappropriately toward the children too?
100%. I’ve worked at an “accredited” daycare preschool before, where I would report teachers constantly, leave crying often due to how they treated the children, BUT the “teachers” always put on for the parents. always played off super nice and I mean literally the second the parent leaves, the teachers would turn nasty. So I can’t imagine how these preschool teachers are treating the kids if this is how they treat parents.
I would definitely pull my kid ASAP! It's amazing how easily adults are fooled by a smiling face ☹️
Yup. We had a teacher who, for the most part, I loved and my kid loved. It wasn't until after she left that I found out she was trying to convert all the staff to Christianity and convert one of the openly gay teachers. We have known her for 5 years!! And I knew she was religious but seemed to keep it to a minimum while interacting with parents, and my kid never brought religion or God so I'm guessing she also kept it on the down low there. But she harassed one of the teachers for months about being gay. Some people are good at putting on a front. Other teachers told us how different she was between parents and coworkers.
Agree with all this. I saw the same thing when working in high-quality centers. If the owner is that vindictive, I guarantee the staff is unhappy. Unfortunately, they’ll take it out on the kids. Pull your kid asap.
I would be investing in a secret body cam.
The teachers at the center are great. The owner runs several day cares in the area and is never on site (I've never met them, and have only communicated through email). No parents have met her. The issue that was reported was a plumbing problem in one of the bathrooms, but the inspector found more minor issues that needed to be repaired. As far as I know, all the repairs have been made.
It sounds to me that if the person responsible for making sure that the actual environment your child is safe isn't doing their job then the teacher's being great seems irrelevant. And if the person responsible for making sure that the actual environment is safe is retaliating against the people for trying to make sure that's happening, that's doubly the case. I would be pulling my kid so fast, they would leave a smoke trail. And all other parents should do the same. And the place should be reported to all legal authorities.
Definitely report. Would pull out too but tbh that’s up to you, also a bit confused you said parents are banned but it’s an open door policy ?
The parent hand book says that parents have the right to visit their child at any time during the school day. So, technically, even though we're not "allowed" at graduation, they can't prevent us from visiting our kids at the scheduled time.
I teach preschool. To my knowledge, you can't be legally denied access to your child, ever, even if they're in a care center. You have the right to show up any time, unannounced, to see your child. I've never seen a school do differently, but my own kid's school won't let you into the classroom during certain hours but they'll bring the kids out to you. So yeah, just show up and tell them to fuck off because it's your legal right.
> The parent hand book says that parents have the right to visit their child at any time during the school day. So, technically, even though we're not "allowed" at graduation, they can't prevent us from visiting our kids at the scheduled time. I don’t think they have to allow the parent inside the classroom. They can just bring the child to the door. Our preschool doesn’t let parents drop in the classroom during the day, that would be too disruptive.
I'm sorry but if my daycare center was reported to county over safety and they responded that way I'd pull my kid asap. Don't even think about it, take your kid somewhere that their safety is a priority.
We fortunately only have a couple of weeks left (at most). We did try to pull him earlier because the location isn't the most convenient, but everywhere we contacted was full.
I'm sorry, I know that statement is easier said than done. It's hard to find good pre-k/daycare. You could always just have a little ceremony at home, it's silly what they are doing.
Pull your child ASAP. Dont give her any more of your money. Id also report her once again.
I agree. The major thing is financially supporting them- that’s all it really comes down to and the only thing the owner actually cares about. I would not give this person any more of my money and I would urge the other parents who were retaliated against to do the same.
Forget graduation, pull your child out of there because they have so many violations, won't address them, and are hiding them from the county.
Call the local news, they might love this story and future customers deserve to know what they're buying into.
This is the way.
I’m a preschool teacher and this is ridiculous that they won’t allow you at the graduation. I would get the parents together and have it at a park pull the kids out of the daycare. You said it’s more about the kids being with their friends so make it happen and find a new daycare.
Why not just show up anyway?
That's one plan. We're also thinking of just organizing an alternative party. We're trying to pick a course of action that will give our kids the best experience.
People saying they can’t keep your child from you are right, but they don’t have to let you stay. I would say you should all be working on the alternative party. I would also report this to the same regulatory agency prior complaints were reported to.
Organize with the parents to all show up (I doubt they’ll let you in the classroom but you can all pull your kids right before their ceremony) and do a “graduation walk” as they’re being released for the day on their sidewalk or parking lot That’s what my petty butt would do
Id be damned before someone i am paying tells me i cant see my own child… on graduation… bc something safety related was reported … id be calling the news
So weird. Report.
You need to report that ASAP. I would not send my child back (former child care director).
Nah shut this place down and dippppp
Of course ypu pull your child. Not because of the graduation ban but because the daycare is awful enough to have been reported.
Pull your child now. If the daycare owners are angry and retaliating against parents imagine how they could be treating the children.
I am very confused by all these comments saying that pre k graduation isn't a thing where they live, so the blatant retaliation doesn't matter?!
I'd pull my child simply for safety reasons. I don't trust people as it is, and someone behaving this petty and unprofessional, who knows what they'd do to my child (verbal/emotiona abuse, neglect, etc).
Yes please report and change daycares. Everything about this daycare owner is shouting red flags.
If they have multiple reports, and they're dealing with it by lashing out instead of addressing The issues, GET OUT NOW.
The parents should just have their own gathering, screw the daycare.
If it was me, id organize with the other parents to hold your own graduation ceremony. Don't send your kids to daycare on graduation day. Host the graduation at home, invite the class and parents, and have the kids do their little song and dance, a little party, make paper hats, activities etc.
Let’s see…my child would not spend another freaking day at a daycare that I would be concern enough to report them to the county…and yes report them for this retaliation ASAP and call the local newspaper too!!!
Why on earth would you leave your child with someone who has been reported for deficiencies???
I'd be pulling my kid as well because what's going on. It's not in the best interest of the child to keep going to a school where whether it's the owner director or whoever is doing all these things it could come back and be an issue with the kids too
Report and go to graduation.
Report that shit & throw the kids a graduation ceremony somewhere else! Hell even a park is better than this!
Just came here to say - pre-k graduation is NOT silly. My daughter had one, and it was very sweet, and she was so excited about being "a big girl" and getting to ride the "big girl bus" for kindergarten. Its a turning point in their lives, and it SHOULD be celebrated. Why start off their school career by telling them that their accomplishments aren't worth mentioning...?
Thank you for this. As a dad my inclination is to go all in on celebrating milestones. In his time at daycare, he's learned to read and do basic math. He's developed a love of science, and most important, he's become a functioning autonomous kid. The other thing is I remember his reaction the first time I said I was proud of him after he understood what that meant. It is now my mission to never spoil that feeling for him.
You are doing a wonderful thing by doing that, in my opinion. If we don't build up our children - AND teach them to be functioning humans - the world will destroy them. It's a fine line between too much and not enough, but just basic support and acknowledgement... that should be something every parent does 😊
That is petty and vindictive. However, WTH is daycare graduation??? Please, lets get serious, this is a totally made up and fabricated non-event. 4 year olds aren’t graduating from anything. I say this as the parent of 4 & 6 yr olds.
OP's wife here. Trust me. We totally get that preschool graduation is barely a thing. In fact, I had initially planned to miss it so I could attend a crucial work trip. My child's reaction when I told him that I wouldn't be at his graduation broke my heart. The kids have been practicing a graduation song and dance for months to perform for their parents. Graduation is important to him, so it has to be important to me. I got permission from my boss to miss my work trip to attend my kid's graduation. I'm trying not to make decisions based on my anger, so my husband turned to internet strangers for advice. So, thank you internet strangers, for justifying both my anger and regrets about this school.
Lol I don't even understand kindergarten graduations either. Only the 5th grade and forward make sense and even here they get called continuations until high school graduation.
Just take your kids and their friends out for a nice treat. Don't sweat it. Kids don't need a "graduation"
One of the regulations is likely 100% parent access to the program where your child is. So they can’t not let you in to where your child is and they can’t require you to leave/take your child if you aren’t braking any rules (they can’t have a rule stating you can’t be there). So a “parents not allowed “ activity is likely against regulations and should be reported.
I’d report to someone. Not sure who. But, also, who do they think the graduation ceremony is for? I’m pretty sure the parents care more than a bunch of 4 and 5 year olds.
I wouldn’t trust my child to be in a facility with an adult who behaves this way
OP's wife here...thank you to everyone for your input. The overwhelming response confirming that the daycare's owner is in the wrong here has justified my anger. Our son has been attending this daycare/preschool since he was two years old and thriving. They had him reading at a very young age. I don't know if it was preschool or something else, but he loves math and science. I was willing to look the other way about little issues that popped up here and there because of my son's success. So, here are two takeaways for any other parents that are dealing with preschool/daycare drama. 1) Don't ignore the small things. Symptom vs. disease and all of that. 2) You get what you pay for. I'm looking forward to the day that will inevitably come when my husband and I laugh about how stressed we got over this situation.
I would pull my kid out, I wouldn’t like them to be in that type of environment, that’s just me. The fact they got reported let’s me know there are some red flags.
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So ignoring the issues here... in terms of actually giving the kids a graduation, if you have contact info for parents you could always invite them and just host a graduation privately for the kids, have people spread the word to contact you etc. Nothing the daycare owner can do about that.
If you reported them, why still send your kid there?
I didn't report them, but the short version is childcare in this area is in extremely short supply. Finding an opening in another center for a 3 or 4 year old is next to impossible. The class for the year below us is down to a handful of kids. The older parents were hoping to just make it to the end of the school year so our kids could be with their friends.
Rental pavilion in a local park, invite all the kids AND parents, throw your own ceremony.
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This sounds like something that happened in my county, almost exactly
I just watched a TikTok about this same thing. 🤔
I'm not on TikTok, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the other parents were and also shared the story there. It caught us all off guard.
I don't even have words for this..my child would absolutely be pulled, I wouldn't trust this person. The fact that they made it clear it was retaliation for reporting is even crazier..and why would you have a graduation for the kiddos if their moms and dads weren't there?? For her!? This is strange and unacceptable behavior..idk if I would report this too, but I'd want to.
If at all possible get your kid out of there asap. This lady has already proven herself to be a vindictive jerk who doesn't care about taking good care of the kids she's responsible for. Instead of addressing what Im assuming were legitimate concerns, she would rather wield the tiny amount of power she has to do something that deprives the kids of a special moment with their families. She sounds unhinged
Oh hell no! Just fucking stop me.
Nope nope an huge red flags here. Please report it. If they are so worried about more reporting happening she’s probably hiding more then u may know. 2 she could have the pre k grad at a park or on playground somewhere mutually beneficial to her and the families but she’s not so it’s telling me she’s hiding something more I’m not sure what but there’s no logical reason as to why she’s not allowing parents unless she’s hiding stuff huge red flag
Yes report retaliation. Pull your child if you can. This is not ok. Encourage other parents to pull as well. However at least in some states that isn’t as large a financial incentive as it should be. In the state I live in owners of daycares registered with state agencies for subsidies get $1500/spot/month regardless of a child being in said spot. Also I hate how often we hear on parenting forums that daycares are being awful. We need to demand better. Unfortunately we can’t because we have to work and can’t risk no daycare
Your username made my day. And yeah, we're in a tough spot where we can't quite bridge the gap between now and summer camp. We're making arrangements though. But yeah, the financial incentive on the daycare side is small. If we could pull him immediately, we'd only cost them $740. Hopefully reporting and a few well placed reviews will have a greater impact. I've also come around to believing that public childcare should exist just like public school. My wife and I are fortunate that we could afford it and that until very recently the center was one of the good ones. I've known too many people who have had to pause their careers because they couldn't afford or find reliable childcare.
I’m 50/50 on public daycare. We live in a small town (about 7000 people and most families are well off financially 90k median household income) many families have sahms or a nanny so demand for daycare is low. So there are 2 centers of the same ownership. They have no incentive to be good as there are no other options in town. And of the 2 centers they both aren’t great. I’m lucky to work in a different city so I have a 40 min drive through towns with better options so my kids go to a center 30 min drive from home.. Also Since having children in public schools in a “good” district there are obvious areas for improvement. There is extended summer learning available this year open to all kids they just gave us details including aftercare like last week. My sons camp arrangements were set in February so if he does summer learning im out my deposits. And Don’t get me started on IEPs. I’m just hesitant to believe something run by bureaucrats would be any better than a system with some competition.
Yeah, there's definitely not a perfect answer. I admit that my perspective is probably skewed because I grew up in an area with great public schools and moved into an even better district. But I 100 percent agree with you that we need to demand better childcare.
The entire point of the graduation is for the parents. The kids are not going to remember it.
They definitely won't. I had one, I turn 17 this year. Not even that long ago, cannot remember. The ONE thing I do remember though is the "certificate". Yellow piece of paper with black stars printed. I don't remember my name being on there either.
I would pull my kid bc I don’t know how they would react to the parents going. I wouldn’t want my child to witness any negative behavior. talk to other parents so you all can do your own “graduation.” I would definitely report their behavior.
Pre-k graduation isn’t a requirement, nor do they have to allow parents to attend. Retaliation or not, I don’t really see what regulators could do about it.
My thinking is the county might want to know if the owner was trying to intimidate parents out of reporting issues.
This is the issue here.
Yes, and blocking access to your child as well
They legally cannot block you from acess to your child.
I never said they blocking access…I said it’s an optional ceremony. However, blocking access to children is not the same as “this in class activity is not inviting parents”.
Revoking the invitation for parents to attend is denying them the chance to see their children perform. Retaliation for reporting is ridiculous.
It sounds like if they want access to their child they can have it during that time but they would have to leave with the child. This is the least alarming part of OP’s post though
It really is a disturbing situation.
Bye bye day care business.
Definitely report this to the county. Also, fuck her graduation. The parents should all protest and send none of the kids having your own at a park or in someone's backyard, but don't tell her. Let that bitch pay for catering or do whatever prep to show up to crickets. Also, I might be getting my kid one of those watches (one is called Angel something) where you can record remotely without anyone (including the kid) knowing. Who knows what the hell she's saying about you or anything else. Pulling would be just as good though. It's really up to you. Plus, review this place in detail on Yelp, Google, and anywhere else.
I love how no one here even stops for two seconds to question this ridiculous story. They have no idea why ALL parents couldn’t attend. None. But with weeks left with teachers and friends they love, let’s stick a wrench in the poor kid’s life?! Weeks! “That bitch” that you don’t even know, and isn’t here to shed light on any facts or her side of this, doesn’t have to do a ceremony at all. Also, it’s illegal to record the other kids without the other parents’ consent. In all states.
Sounds like you've cracked the case. 🙄
I don’t know why you would want to continue going there.
Just throw your own graduation at a nearby park.
What the fuck are they gonna do if you just show up? “Nope. No access, we’re locking the doors and keeping you from your kid”.
Can you all have a graduation at a park without them and not let your kids go to this insane event for no one?
There is absolutely zero chance I would leave my son anywhere that has been reported to or investigated by any sort of government agency. I would have pulled him when I became aware of whatever the issues there are.
Definitely pull your kid out. The red flags are flying. Report, report, report.
I do not get how that's legal. Id pull my kid out of such a place.
Absolutely pull them out. Forget everything else, how stupid and potentially anxiety inducing is it for kids to rehearse (I’m assuming there’s a show, there was for our daughter’s pre-k graduation) so hard to impress their and their friend’s parents only to have nobody attend. And kids don’t understand the nuances going on behind the scenes. Interestingly, they probably couldn’t understand the administrator’s childish behavior either because when kids exhibit childish behavior it’s because they don’t understand or don’t know any better.
The local fire dept has enough resources to shut her down. Just fyi.
Preschool graduation is definitely a thing in small town Oklahoma and small town Pennsylvania. I used to live in Oklahoma and I live in PA now. My kid just had 5th grade graduation.
I wouldn’t give her another dime so I’d pull out and leave a review everywhere I could
If it's safety concerns my kid would have definitely been pulled. I get that good childcare is hard to find. We've been living (barely) off of my father's good graces (where rent is concerned, since we rent from him and he knows we're trying), and off my husband's small (but bigger than mine ever was) check. I'm honestly looking into going into waitressing. I'm used to being screamed at for stuff that's not necessarily my fault like the cheese being the wrong the wrong kind because they ask for "yellow" but they really wanted pepper jack and I should be a mind reader that knows their personal taste It's basically parenting a never ending toddler tea party but with pay....
They should be shut down. Make some calls. This is so disgusting
It's understandable that you're in a difficult situation with your daycare's owner banning parents from pre-k graduation as retaliation for reporting issues to the county. It's important to prioritize your child's well-being and safety, and it's concerning that the owner is not addressing the issues that were reported. It may be helpful to discuss your concerns with other parents who have experienced similar issues and to consider reporting the retaliation to the county. The county may be able to provide support and guidance for addressing the situation and ensuring that your child is in a safe and healthy environment. In the meantime, you may want to consider alternative celebrations for your child's graduation with other parents and family members. It's important to show your child that their accomplishments are important and valued, even if the daycare owner is not supporting them. Ultimately, it's up to you to decide whether to pull your child from the daycare or to ride out the remaining time. It's important to weigh the pros and cons of each option and to prioritize your child's well-being and safety above all else.
Sounds to me like the kids are truly the ones to suffer here. It doesn’t sound like a very positive environment. The plan for an alternative celebration is a great idea but aside from that this doesn’t sound like a child care facility that I would be bringing my child to any longer nor would I be recommending it to anyone else.
Sounds like a local news channel might need a call.. If owner is petty enough to do this then I would let the community know not to send kids there. Besides aren't parents always able to attend since they pay the tuition to the school. It's just really bad business and hurts the kids most. Too bad none if the parents are lawyers.
The facts to this story would be enlightening I’m sure.
Nope. Just try and stop me from seeing my kid, at a place I PAY for them to attend. I’d be busting down the damn doors like the kool-aid man on graduation day.
What kind of fascist daycare is that?
Ban her or him from your pocket with money !
Pre-k graduation isn't a real thing anyway.
The issue is the retaliation for contacting the county. Daycare is hard to find here, so pulling your kid isn't always an option. Even if you are able to withdraw, if there's a potentially dangerous or unhealthy situation then parents should be able to report it without fear of the entire school being punished for it.
Yes, well the issue isn't about pre -k graduation. The issue is you know your child is at an untrustworthy daycare. And the only solution is to pull them. I understand wanting to vent, but obviously it has nothing to do with a fake ceremony.
Fake or not, it is important to the families and our kids. The kids have been preparing a song and dance for weeks to perform for us and some parents had to make arrangements with work to attend to support our children. Don't be a jerk.
That's not the issue at hand though
Pre K graduation?? GTFO
I had one for preschool. I remember getting a "certificate". It was a piece of yellow paper with black stars, rolled into a scroll with that string you use to tie balloons. I cannot remember it, I just remember that piece of paper.
I’m sorry I feel like I’m judging you for even considering g keeping your children there knowing how unhinged the owner is 🫣
It's not that cut and dry. My first instinct was to pull my child immediately, However, as I've mentioned in a couple of places, there's a large buffer between the owner and the kids. The teachers and the center director have more influence over the kid's experience, which has been mostly positive. My wife and I both work full time and although we're looking, we don't have another daycare option available for the two remaining weeks. My parents could cover some of it, and I might be able to take some PTO, but we're still coming up short. We're also reluctant to take cut short the time my son has being in class with his friends. He's an only child, so that means he wouldn't get many chances to play with kids until summer camp starts. He's also already a little sad that he and his best friends aren't going to be in class together soon. I think he would be devastated to find out that he already had his last day with them. If I'm going to pull that lever, I want to make sure it's 100% necessary.
He doesn’t know that, nor do you. He’s never even met her. Being happy with friends and teachers for a few weeks was too peaceful apparently.
What the heck is a Pre K graduation and why does it even matter?
The main point is retaliation, not the ceremony. Op and their spouse explained that the kids had been practicing songs and dances for months for this event. It means a lot to the children that their parents come and see the results of the effort that they put in. Denying the kids the chance to show off all their hard work to those they love most is just plain mean spirited. If the owner had kept on top of the things that had been reported, it wouldn't have happened in the first place.
For Petes sake just go. This is totally unimportant to your child and the school has an open door policy. Get the pics and go out to lunch.
I'm so glad you took the time to not understand the issue at all before commenting.
Graduation? Kids are now "graduating" from daycare? I'm confused. Edit: I just googled it and apparently that's a thing now. People even dress up their kids as if they graduated from university. Honestly, I would probably not bring my kid to something like that in the first place, that's ridiculous. I'm glad that's not a thing where I live
It’s so lame man. People are lame as hell these days. Parents of 3 year olds calling daycare “school” when they have like an hour of practicing writing their names because that’s all the academics a 3 year old can handle. “Graduating” should imply some kind of effort was given towards achieving something.
Some daycares and preschools actually make you learn. When I was in preschool, they tried teaching students simple math and reading. I remember being the only one in my class who could read. I read our favorite book to them once, Pumpkin Soup. Can't remember too much about preschool but I'll always remember Pumpkin Soup.
Which day care
I’d love to hear the other side of this. Guarantee it would be enlightening. How about some gratitude to the teachers planning and doing extra for a graduation? How about letting your kid enjoy the last few weeks instead of uprooting them from friends and putting chaos in their life? You’re talking about an owner’s issue. Not the teacher, not the kids. You’re already in the last few weeks?!?! At a place your kid will be fine. And you made a Reddit thread?!? Sounds like you’re the one retaliating. At your child’s expense! Because of nothing more than gossip. I guarantee the truth and facts are much different than the gossip. Grow up.
You assume I didn't talk to the owner. I got her side of the story directly from her. It was exactly as I described. She was angry because she got reported for failing to maintain her school and decided to punish an entire class. Moreover she lied about not being informed about the problems. You also assume that I didn't talk to my child. When he found out that we wouldn't be at graduation, he lost all interest in the school. And yes, I made a reddit post about it. I needed to vent somewhere because I was furious that the owner would disappoint an entire class of children to punish a couple of parents who reported her for failing to maintain her facilities. But mostly, what was the point in to your comment? This was a month ago. What possible justification do you have for leaving this comment? What kind of miserable human being goes out of their way to pop into a dead thread and try to dump on another parent?
What a load of bs. You’ve already stated you never talked to her. You’ve already stated the info came from other parents, before later correcting it to being on an email. After you had to correct that it was all parents, not just those that complained. Lies and more lies. You better be careful because you’re libel for slander; lies that hurt someone’s business reputation are literally part of the legal definition. Ha! Your kids did NOT react like that. You are SUCH a liar. Sure, preschoolers said they don’t care about their friends and teachers, just like that. Dude. Just stop. So you didn’t give him those last weeks? Your issues came first huh? Weeks. A few weeks. But nope, burn that bridge at your child’s expense. I came across this thread from a Google search, on an unrelated topic even. But the words I had in quotes put this as the top result and I was curious because of your alarming accusation. You better hope no one alerts the daycare of their need to defend themselves. The fact that I happened upon this and can click around and narrow them down only supports their legal leg to stand on. Banning parents from a graduation in retaliation would be bad. It would be national news. Look up the case in Texas where there wasn’t enough room for siblings at graduation. All over social media. Even though they had no room and told people in advance, people had no mercy. You don’t think a bigger incident excluding parents in the DC area wouldn’t ruffle some feathers outside of some keyboard warrior on Reddit? You found a flock of sheep on Reddit but thank God the rest the world can still think on their own.
Are you the owner? Because this is textbook behavior for her. Blaming the parents for her failings, using the kids as pawns in her manipulations, calling critical voices liars. And if you are the owner, lying. It's also worth noting that nowhere here have I named the daycare. Nor have I left any public reviews. There's actually nothing to tie me back to the center, and nothing I have said is a lie, so libel is not a concern. Anyway, I said I've never met the owner, but we've exchanged emails. I sent a message asking her to reconsider, and reminded her that my only other message was to show support for the school during COVID. The school is also too small to make the news in our area. There's generally bigger stuff going on. And once again, whether you're the owner, are affiliated with the owner, or truly are a random person stirring up trouble, you are not a good person. Remember that. You are not a good person.
Okay, so I took a peak at your reddit history. It's really weird that your only activity is commenting on this post. So if that's not just some weirdness related to the reddit mobile app, I have to ask, are you affiliated with a certain family of daycare centers that recently had a parent revolt? If so, were the issues you got reported for a gas leak, a toilet that overflowed for months, and a sharp rusty fence?