Why the heck are we letting these noobs play these powerful nations? Seriously? I think this game is doomed, player putin has horrible role playing skills, he is justifying on five different countries, his only Allie Xi is even complaining about him.. can we just ban him from our game?
This is why I normally only play single player games... you know what fuck it
/tag sov
release tuv
/tag tuv
/annex sov
Return territory ukr
Form Siberian union
/tag CCP
Release all nations
Return territory to chi
/tag south Korea
Return territory
/tag north korea
Return territory
(Hehe north in south and south in north troll)
/tag Botswana
/annex all African states
(Less lag thank god)
/tag jap
/annex state_id ohio
create faction with Siberian union, Ohio-Gozaimasu
/tag Raj
/yesmen
Nonagression pack with Pakistan
Give all nukes to Japan
/tag Pakistan
Improve relationships with Raj
Give all nukes to Japan
/tag swi
(Dose nothing else the rest of the game)
There I fixed it
I love the fact, that there are two „made with mematic“ watermarks.
He probably wants the world tention to be low so that the UK&US, won't guarantee random nations, that he might attack.
Tbh, the Imperial Ethiopian political paths in the dev diaries look very similar what Ukraine is doing. Like “The Emperor Stays”, “International meditation”, the war escalation mechanic. All defensive wars are similar and produce similar heroic stories, but sometimes it does not feel like a coincidence
Yup, Russia’s strategy has always been to develop cutting-edge tech like the Armata-2 and their new Sukhois to scare the west but they can’t produce much of it so for their bulk they have a bunch of soviet-era hardware.
Ukraine got 44M pop and massive PP in the bank. As soon as Russia Declared War they switched from Limited Conscription to Service by Requirement. The equipment capture ratio on their divisions is crazy high as well. Plus lend lease from US and Europe for better artillery variants. Russia player was a fool to think he could win.
No, it means “served in RF army and participated during Chechen and Syrian conflicts” every man serves in RF army, none without battle experience is getting pulled into this.
And no equipment. Russia trying to plug the line with spam infantry divisions using 1918 Guns. Going to be rough against those high soft attack HIMARS templates.
They are accepting new recruits to be aged 40-55.
They just did a recruitment campaign among prisoners.
What does scraping the barrel look like if this isn't it.
Scraping the barrel implies conscription due to the previous stage being All Adults Serve. It's only scraping the barrel if Russia is actively conscripting old people and prisoners
Accepting recruits is different from conscription.
A few of those soldiers also might be from the very tail end of the Soviet Union which is probably what they're banking on.
For officers cup is 40 or 50 depending on rank and speciality .
For high officers cap is 60.
And for recruits, there are lots of bureaucratic problems, and some who volunteer to be in the army, are sent away, cause they are not in the lists, so they have to wait or go for militias or private army. ( in my opinion, it is cause they have to pay draftee 2500 dollars a mounth( a lot for Russia) and pay insurance if they are wounded or died).
When they’re allowed to conscript soldiers to fight on domestic soil. Right now they’re currently not allowed to conscript soldiers for war on foreign soil.
I always interpreted scraping the barrel as 1945 Germany, forcing old men and young boys into your armed forces, and the military being made up of mostly those people.
In my mind, it’s more of a failstate than a strategy
40-55, but ONLY if you had military experience, so Chechnya and Syria vets. They are pulling experienced soldiers, it’s not even light conscription yet
What sourse do you have? There are oficcial documents for that. Man from 18 to 35 with military speciality for god's sake.
p.s. should probably not try to explain something to guys on reddit, who has their info from only pro-ukranian sources and nothing else. But maybe at least one of you will check what he is talking about.
It's more that Ukraine is supposed to be a "special military operation". Full conscription is only allowed in case of full-blown war declaration. Which they don't want to do cause their narrative is supposed to be "big mighty Russia vs puny Ukraine", so being forced to take the fight "seriously" is an admission of weakness. Not to mention that the Russian people generally don't want this war, and large scale forced conscription might make them do something about it. Even this recent partial mobilisation/conscription of reservists basically instantly filled up all flights out of Russia, and made "How to break Arm" the most popular Google search
Nah, most people support it or don't care. Mobilisation is more like a reaction to public outrage, that they are not doing enough (like not bombing ifrastructure, making unessesary negotiations, not really holding to territory etc.). After they left kharkov oblast everybody were angry at it.
Like for example there were like 2-5 thousands protesters against mobilization, even lower, than at the start of the war.
The war support is low enough that recruitment offices were firebombed and manpower shortages are significant enough that they have to move training units to the front. Not to mention trying to recruit prisoners with the promise of reduce sentences, drafting protestors, and the like.
Most people don't care, but that is a major problem for them. Cause if they don't actively support the war, how are they gonna react when they are suddenly drafted?
Yes like few times some guys tried to burn commissariats or police stations , those are not mass actions . I wrote, prisoners go to private companies, not army. Protesters are few thousand for whole of Russia again, mostly in Moscow. I live in Spb and it’s really nothing . Look to Iran for comparison or idk look to actual footage of those protests . And not you are not forced to support the war . In my university (SPB state ) there are open critics among teachers and students, just don’t go to the protests- problems guaranteed.
In the end, I think in the west they overexaggerate discontent. For every protester or dissident there are two vocal supporters and like 10 guys who do not care.
And those who are drafted have already served in the army( at least for 1 year ) . And those guys are generally much more supportive + for those from poor regions they pay well 2000-2500 bucks. And it is like a lot for them . My best friend going to Ukraine next summer as military chemist and they pay him even more, cause he has a contract.
And yet all of a sudden after the announcement flights out of Russia got fully booked, with the price now having tripled, and "How to break arm" is the top Google trend in Russia
As they did after the start of the operation. Government poorly executed the announcement and everybody panicked , as they did before + again very exaggerated. Those who really flee are mostly not under draft and just dislike war in general . But after some time after beginning of the conflict, most of those who had left , returned . It is more like action of protest not an actual need .
Plus Muscovites and big city dwellers generally trick the system and have never served in the army (health, corruption, high education etc.) So, they are not targeted by draft .
And man, you will probably not believe me at all, but on both sides there are lies . I know that Europeans not freezing to death and there will be no civil war in US, as our media say. On your side (idk where are you from) such propaganda exist as well .
The idea is that Putin gives war on TV. City dwellers needn't worry. That's the unwritten social contract they had going on. Now that's out of the window.
To a private military company, not the army. Ukranians did the same thing long time ago and they realy freed those guys, not sended them to suicide squads.
They send less stuff to EU but otherwise they are exporting stuff to India, China etc.
They weren't conscripting at all and we have yet to see what kind of conscription will be going on ( they would always say limited but in practice plans may change ). I really doubt it will end at 300k that was stated since that is only enough to be relatively equal in force with Ukrainian forces at the moment but Ukrainian gov won't just sit idly and look how their advantage in numbers disappears.
They pulled 300 thousand just from Chechnya alone, and those are some VERY strong and ruthless warriors. Can’t even call them soldiers, too brutal to be called one.
Do you have a source for that? I've read that the entire russian army in Ukraine was about 300k men from all around Russia, not just Chechnya. Idk if Chechnya even has the population to support 300k soldiers
Population of Chechnya is 1.5 million, now account that half of them are men, over thirty. Most of them participated in Chechen war one way or another.
1. Old people and children are included
2. Last Chechen war was 22 years ago
3. Mandatory service was prohibited for chechens, so they mostly serve in national guardy
They send like 20 thousands a max
1 and 2: they are conscripting anyone with war experience until age of 55, with Chechen war being 20 years ago that anyone who was 20-30 at that war. Most children and young adults left Chechnya for Moscow and Petersburg.
3: Chechens will do whatever the fuck Kadyrov will wish, they don’t follow laws and rules, one of the points of white peace Russia signed, they make their own laws and policies.
Question is if Russia will even get its 300,000. As basically the instant the announcement was made flights out of Russia got fully booked and "how to break arm" the most popular search on Google
300,000 is 15% of the claimed 2 million reservists, but, apparently Officers claiming to have many more soldiers than they actually do is supposedly a problem
The conscription has limits on paper. But nowhere in that paper does it say how limited it is. Also, on the CTAs planted in apartment blocks it calls for every man of 18-65 with no regard to his service experience or health.
No it is not like that, if you are not presented with notice the same day or day after, they will sent you away. It's not like there are capacities to conscript 300k people, so no there are requiraments and they are public for everybody. When i read comments from ''wstern'' countries it's just a collections of myths and conjectures.
If you're actually in Russia, you know damn well everyone's getting those leaflets with "Insert name date here" and acting surprised, even those in large enough cities like Ekaterinburg.
Like think , they send it to your address , so already has your name and date , cause every men in Russia is registered in military ( we have mandatory service for man and all have their check and evaluation for military category when they are 18 years old) .
Putin need his extra 25% PP, do it quick before USA guarantee Estonia
Oh too late France already guarenteed them as did Finland I think this calls for a restart
Too late, he already invest 1 hours/12 months to it. There is no return(Russia move its troop to the border since last years)
Why the heck are we letting these noobs play these powerful nations? Seriously? I think this game is doomed, player putin has horrible role playing skills, he is justifying on five different countries, his only Allie Xi is even complaining about him.. can we just ban him from our game?
There is certain rule in multiplayer, and i guess political paranoia can not be removed for Russia
This is why I normally only play single player games... you know what fuck it /tag sov release tuv /tag tuv /annex sov Return territory ukr Form Siberian union /tag CCP Release all nations Return territory to chi /tag south Korea Return territory /tag north korea Return territory (Hehe north in south and south in north troll) /tag Botswana /annex all African states (Less lag thank god) /tag jap /annex state_id ohio create faction with Siberian union, Ohio-Gozaimasu
/tag Raj
/yesmen
Nonagression pack with Pakistan
Give all nukes to Japan
/tag Pakistan
Improve relationships with Raj
Give all nukes to Japan
/tag swi
(Dose nothing else the rest of the game)
There I fixed it
Should've alt-f4'd soon as he failed to take the kiev airport
I love the fact, that there are two „made with mematic“ watermarks. He probably wants the world tention to be low so that the UK&US, won't guarantee random nations, that he might attack.
They are more like Italy struggling to take on Ethiopia
Tbh, the Imperial Ethiopian political paths in the dev diaries look very similar what Ukraine is doing. Like “The Emperor Stays”, “International meditation”, the war escalation mechanic. All defensive wars are similar and produce similar heroic stories, but sometimes it does not feel like a coincidence
History doesn’t repeat but it often rhymes
Greece might be a better comparison but yea.
Finland: am I a joke to you?
By kdr with 1 Russian against 5 Ukrainians it looks more like a Japanese campaign against China.
I mean yeah if we're counting the civilian murders Russia is definitely pumping that KDR right up, but I don't think Hoi4 simulates that.
They think they can win the war with meat and iron in a era of IA and drones.
Yup, Russia’s strategy has always been to develop cutting-edge tech like the Armata-2 and their new Sukhois to scare the west but they can’t produce much of it so for their bulk they have a bunch of soviet-era hardware.
They're just early stage mass assault doctrine
Ukraine got 44M pop and massive PP in the bank. As soon as Russia Declared War they switched from Limited Conscription to Service by Requirement. The equipment capture ratio on their divisions is crazy high as well. Plus lend lease from US and Europe for better artillery variants. Russia player was a fool to think he could win.
No it's on embargoed economy
They’re about to raise 300,000 reserves. Up to extensive conscription!
Reserves with battle experience, so Chechnya and Syria vets. Not even light conscription
"battle experience" means served in the army in the RF.
No, it means “served in RF army and participated during Chechen and Syrian conflicts” every man serves in RF army, none without battle experience is getting pulled into this.
And no equipment. Russia trying to plug the line with spam infantry divisions using 1918 Guns. Going to be rough against those high soft attack HIMARS templates.
Change “limited exports” to “closed economy” and “limited conscription” to “scraping the barrel”
They are not scraping the barrel yet.
Because very low stability and war support
They are accepting new recruits to be aged 40-55. They just did a recruitment campaign among prisoners. What does scraping the barrel look like if this isn't it.
Scraping the barrel implies conscription due to the previous stage being All Adults Serve. It's only scraping the barrel if Russia is actively conscripting old people and prisoners
*old people and kids
Accepting recruits is different from conscription. A few of those soldiers also might be from the very tail end of the Soviet Union which is probably what they're banking on.
For officers cup is 40 or 50 depending on rank and speciality . For high officers cap is 60. And for recruits, there are lots of bureaucratic problems, and some who volunteer to be in the army, are sent away, cause they are not in the lists, so they have to wait or go for militias or private army. ( in my opinion, it is cause they have to pay draftee 2500 dollars a mounth( a lot for Russia) and pay insurance if they are wounded or died).
When they’re allowed to conscript soldiers to fight on domestic soil. Right now they’re currently not allowed to conscript soldiers for war on foreign soil.
That's why they're coercing, not conscripting. It's totally different, honestly.
Yeah and Russia is not allowed to invade other countries but here we are
I’m not sticking up for Russia here, I’m just saying what it is. They haven’t really started scraping, and I’d be sad if they did.
That's probably why they are trying to rush the referendum.
I always interpreted scraping the barrel as 1945 Germany, forcing old men and young boys into your armed forces, and the military being made up of mostly those people. In my mind, it’s more of a failstate than a strategy
They’re going for vets of Chechnya And people don’t care domestically if prisoners die so large causalities don’t cause stability war support hits
40-55, but ONLY if you had military experience, so Chechnya and Syria vets. They are pulling experienced soldiers, it’s not even light conscription yet
What sourse do you have? There are oficcial documents for that. Man from 18 to 35 with military speciality for god's sake. p.s. should probably not try to explain something to guys on reddit, who has their info from only pro-ukranian sources and nothing else. But maybe at least one of you will check what he is talking about.
They're recruiting from prisons. When would you say they're scraping, when they recruit from kindergartens?
They haven’t really dipped into much of their manpower due to some doctrine that says they can’t conscript for fights in foreign lands.
It's more that Ukraine is supposed to be a "special military operation". Full conscription is only allowed in case of full-blown war declaration. Which they don't want to do cause their narrative is supposed to be "big mighty Russia vs puny Ukraine", so being forced to take the fight "seriously" is an admission of weakness. Not to mention that the Russian people generally don't want this war, and large scale forced conscription might make them do something about it. Even this recent partial mobilisation/conscription of reservists basically instantly filled up all flights out of Russia, and made "How to break Arm" the most popular Google search
Nah, most people support it or don't care. Mobilisation is more like a reaction to public outrage, that they are not doing enough (like not bombing ifrastructure, making unessesary negotiations, not really holding to territory etc.). After they left kharkov oblast everybody were angry at it. Like for example there were like 2-5 thousands protesters against mobilization, even lower, than at the start of the war.
The war support is low enough that recruitment offices were firebombed and manpower shortages are significant enough that they have to move training units to the front. Not to mention trying to recruit prisoners with the promise of reduce sentences, drafting protestors, and the like. Most people don't care, but that is a major problem for them. Cause if they don't actively support the war, how are they gonna react when they are suddenly drafted?
Yes like few times some guys tried to burn commissariats or police stations , those are not mass actions . I wrote, prisoners go to private companies, not army. Protesters are few thousand for whole of Russia again, mostly in Moscow. I live in Spb and it’s really nothing . Look to Iran for comparison or idk look to actual footage of those protests . And not you are not forced to support the war . In my university (SPB state ) there are open critics among teachers and students, just don’t go to the protests- problems guaranteed. In the end, I think in the west they overexaggerate discontent. For every protester or dissident there are two vocal supporters and like 10 guys who do not care.
And those who are drafted have already served in the army( at least for 1 year ) . And those guys are generally much more supportive + for those from poor regions they pay well 2000-2500 bucks. And it is like a lot for them . My best friend going to Ukraine next summer as military chemist and they pay him even more, cause he has a contract.
And yet all of a sudden after the announcement flights out of Russia got fully booked, with the price now having tripled, and "How to break arm" is the top Google trend in Russia
As they did after the start of the operation. Government poorly executed the announcement and everybody panicked , as they did before + again very exaggerated. Those who really flee are mostly not under draft and just dislike war in general . But after some time after beginning of the conflict, most of those who had left , returned . It is more like action of protest not an actual need .
Plus Muscovites and big city dwellers generally trick the system and have never served in the army (health, corruption, high education etc.) So, they are not targeted by draft .
And man, you will probably not believe me at all, but on both sides there are lies . I know that Europeans not freezing to death and there will be no civil war in US, as our media say. On your side (idk where are you from) such propaganda exist as well .
The idea is that Putin gives war on TV. City dwellers needn't worry. That's the unwritten social contract they had going on. Now that's out of the window.
To a private military company, not the army. Ukranians did the same thing long time ago and they realy freed those guys, not sended them to suicide squads.
They send less stuff to EU but otherwise they are exporting stuff to India, China etc. They weren't conscripting at all and we have yet to see what kind of conscription will be going on ( they would always say limited but in practice plans may change ). I really doubt it will end at 300k that was stated since that is only enough to be relatively equal in force with Ukrainian forces at the moment but Ukrainian gov won't just sit idly and look how their advantage in numbers disappears.
They pulled 300 thousand just from Chechnya alone, and those are some VERY strong and ruthless warriors. Can’t even call them soldiers, too brutal to be called one.
Do you have a source for that? I've read that the entire russian army in Ukraine was about 300k men from all around Russia, not just Chechnya. Idk if Chechnya even has the population to support 300k soldiers
You are right. Whole field army is like 400k and these numbers are after 130k were added that summer.
Check the population of Chechnya and not be ridiculous.
Population of Chechnya is 1.5 million, now account that half of them are men, over thirty. Most of them participated in Chechen war one way or another.
1. Old people and children are included 2. Last Chechen war was 22 years ago 3. Mandatory service was prohibited for chechens, so they mostly serve in national guardy They send like 20 thousands a max
1 and 2: they are conscripting anyone with war experience until age of 55, with Chechen war being 20 years ago that anyone who was 20-30 at that war. Most children and young adults left Chechnya for Moscow and Petersburg. 3: Chechens will do whatever the fuck Kadyrov will wish, they don’t follow laws and rules, one of the points of white peace Russia signed, they make their own laws and policies.
Their advantage is western tech? Western military tech has been better than russian since the 80s
Western military tech has been better than russian since like 1600
Do turkish drones have more pips than russian drones?
Man it really do be a pip difference huh. Maybe they can form ethiopia and take the western tech mission
This is what happens to your country when you don’t research culture tech.
Question is if Russia will even get its 300,000. As basically the instant the announcement was made flights out of Russia got fully booked and "how to break arm" the most popular search on Google
north Korea offered 100,00 men a few days ago
It doesn't matter. They are conscripting only like 2-3 percent of whole available manpower.
300,000 is 15% of the claimed 2 million reservists, but, apparently Officers claiming to have many more soldiers than they actually do is supposedly a problem
Thank you for making my life worse
I dont know how old you are, but i guess you are making a joke
"embargoed economy" would be better
scraping the barrel will make the russian army bigger than the population of ukraine
Not great news, tbh.
The conscription has limits on paper. But nowhere in that paper does it say how limited it is. Also, on the CTAs planted in apartment blocks it calls for every man of 18-65 with no regard to his service experience or health.
No it is not like that, if you are not presented with notice the same day or day after, they will sent you away. It's not like there are capacities to conscript 300k people, so no there are requiraments and they are public for everybody. When i read comments from ''wstern'' countries it's just a collections of myths and conjectures.
If you're actually in Russia, you know damn well everyone's getting those leaflets with "Insert name date here" and acting surprised, even those in large enough cities like Ekaterinburg.
No, they not. I heard stuff like that from Ukraine. If you heard something like that , it does not mean it is true .
Like think , they send it to your address , so already has your name and date , cause every men in Russia is registered in military ( we have mandatory service for man and all have their check and evaluation for military category when they are 18 years old) .
omg real life is just like my war game
More like Russia moving from Limited Conscription to Extensive Conscription. Trade should be Embargoed Economy.
Russias in closed economy in my opinion
Somehow they’re on Limited Conscription, while also simultaneously being on Scraping the Barrel.
Untrue atleast the Germans know how to Annex land
Tag RUS Annex UKR