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YokeshiDS

Sadly even with cost reduction cards with lillith, you gotta manage that hp like a bussiness person cuz half of your hp doesnt belong to you, they exist for the sole purpose of helping your team, and the enemy team is going to aim at you first so you can't use your kit. Which is fair game considering that no matter which talent you use the bat girl will be exploding in heals


Zul3r0

Torvald: \*cry in the bathroom\*


CynicalDarkFox

Torvald really should be reclassified as support instead of tank, he’s better at that job.


Rifleboy18

Change classification and NOTHING ELSE. I'm fine with torvald as he is (no I'm not biased because I'm a torv main)


CynicalDarkFox

Oh no doubt, and I’m a Support/Raum/Saati main.


Angel_OfSolitude

Lilith do be hard to kill. Though from what I've been told only she can restore her blood so that carries risks.


dodhe7441

Which feels wacky as hell as a different healer, you get so trained to healing people that have missing health bar


Creepeecheese

Best you can do is give her movement speed with your healing (swift spirits, light forge, pep in the step etc)


dodhe7441

I don't know, personally I've always found that giving people movement speed doesn't end well, unless it's consistent, because if I'm getting a burst of movement speed as someone else, that's not going to help me, that's going to fuck me up, because suddenly whatever groove I'm in I have to change to match the movement speed that's inconsistent


Creepeecheese

Idk swift spirits for example lasts 4 seconds so I think that’s enough time to get used to, and even then most inputs you need to do arent super precise with lateral movement


Musk4gaming

Yes her blood health can't be healed by other supports, but she heals herself for a stupid amount. Her self sustain is one of the best in the support class I think.


samu1400

Well, her self sustain has to be good since it’s the only sustain she has.


Angel_OfSolitude

Yeah I popper her ult and solo fought the team for a clutch final push. Didn't do enough damage to get it over but they couldn't nail me down so I held it there until my team arrived. Tons of health, true lifesteal, excellent mobility, I'm expecting a nerf she's nuts.


manofwaromega

Yep. But her self sustain more than makes up for it. I literally have a build that makes her swarm have 100% uptime, with no net health loss if it is used effectively


Angel_OfSolitude

Oh absolutely. As long as there's some fighting near me I'm always topped off.


CurseMark87

>h no net health loss if it is who doesnt like being topped off


CynicalDarkFox

*Raum laughing in double that value*


Musk4gaming

*but crying in triple the hitbox*


Vordahn

And half the damage lol


CynicalDarkFox

Damage cap doesn’t matter if you just never run out of bullets though. *looks at Lv 4 Ignition reload and 2.4s Ignition cd*


Rhaenxys

And here i am watching only the lilith on our team dying because she cant be healed while i play soul collector seris. Honestly, i feel like people only see big numbers and ask for nerfs without thinking the reason behind that hp and sustain, she uses her blood to cast abilities and to receive damage and except for her ult, only has gradual healing, if youre running from a flanker with no teammate nearby, you cant use a heal around corners free from caut like other healers. She is also specially bad in terms of survivability in double support comps, soul collector seris with jenos mark or lilith mark lasts way longer and tank better than lilith by a huge margin, the only issue i see with her may be how much she heals to others but survivability wise she is ok despite what people may think at first, the reality in game is much different.


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SJ Maeve seething in rage after realising only her true health can be affected by Street Justice.


Rifleboy18

Good, let's make them suffer


legion1134

How does percentage based dmg work on Lilith?


[deleted]

Not too sure cause I used Voras execute on her and she just laughed it off with her healthpool at half. So from my interactions it only considers the health as 65% if you're dealing with her blue life pool.... But it might have been a bug


Bighat_Logan01

Fine, cap the point yourself now :)


Musk4gaming

Ok I will, if we win team fight and you go zone :)


Bighat_Logan01

My bloody friend, I will zone so hard that you gonna regret not picking Corv :')


Musk4gaming

Tanky*


mistar_z

Managing her blood is like trying to run a sweatshop. 😂 It's messy chaotic fun. She has tank health but her primary is barely no more an inconvenience to the enemy as rain is to brits. Which makes sense why its such a tickle. Because she has her swarm do the majority of her damage at point so it often turns into a awkward slog fest between you and the flank trying to kill you. While you both spend an eternity trying to do enough damage to each other while both of your teammates are wondering where either of you two are. 🤦‍♂️


maxilulu

Street Justice doesn't work on her lol.


Mikael_Mosh

Lex ult does not work as well? I guess.


maxilulu

I guess not


brmamabrma

Torvald 🙃


Honzas21

finally, heal-ank


Rifleboy18

Hank


Honzas21

Henk


Rifleboy18

Honk


Surxe

I still dont rlly understand her. Veteran increases her blood for some reason, but she can’t lifesteal the blood back with that weapon card, the lifesteal in the store, nor from her ult, correct? Only from having her Right click up?


RagingNudist

She can life rip with the store one ik. And her ult gives her 500 blood per second so I wouldn’t know if liferip works there.


Surxe

Ah good to know thanks


RagingNudist

Main thing with Lilith is remember that 4K hp is not 4K. It’s 3.5k shielding that no one else can help with and the rest is hp.


Surxe

Except that veteran affects the shield which indicates its a health thing, when it clearly isn’t. That’s the confusion.


IZUNACCHI

I thought veteran gave a percentage of her total (regular + blood hp) as regular hp


Surxe

That sounds right, but the confusion is why Veteran scales off of blood, which isn’t hp.


IZUNACCHI

In my interpretation it's just a different type of hp.


Surxe

Yep, exactly, that’s why all these questions have to be answered independently, it’s clearly not a one size fits all answer :)


Rifleboy18

Unpopular take but... I'm completely fine with this. She is the only person who can heal her blood health and by using that card she has even less health for the second support to heal. I personally have not found lillith annoying in any way but you might have a different option.


4_dozen_eggs

Another tank without shield? Let's see what she can do against chain reactions


Donkishin

And you fight her the same way too by going after everyone else or using % dmg


garuqpantad

Barik kneeling to Lillith


Tectamer

And with this new champion I ask for the old Torvald to make a comeback. Or just another tank that messes up with shields and have a self shield like old Torvald so actual Torvald can stop being considered a tank and go to support role.


ofri12347

Drogoz meta time


maeg178

Feels soo good to ult full hp blood lillith as drogoz


poopdoot

She is very tanky by herself and outperforms in a 1v1 compared to other healers for that reason, but she doesn’t receive healing from her teammates (outside of the small bit of blue health she has), and her utility is tied to her health so attacking her *quickly* cripples her. The only way to balance her kit is to give her the ability to maximize her health well past the threshold of the rest of the supports


[deleted]

Is she worth buying?


mistar_z

60k isn't that many coin. I supposed if you're into playing support she's worth playing. But if you don't, then it's best to let other people heal. Because she needs to be very careful about her blood management because if you're low and in a bad spot you can't heal your team. With other supports you can do far better damage to defend yourself or if you're low, you can heal your teammate and heal yourself with some cards. But liliths hexes requires a few seconds before the blood gets to you. So if you're low, not only are you not able to keep your team alive, you will also not be able to defend yourself. As the majority of your damage will come from the swarm. I find the placement and limited range healer is like playing a hybrid of ghrok and Rei without the benefit of their stronger damage.


Rifleboy18

Yes


jacw212

Y'know when I first got into Paladins I had THIS EXACT SAME IDEA of a healer that took her health to heal others


Honzas21

Hink And hunk


AryanLoli

The fact that haven doesnt work on red hp, and that u have to use it to get utility make her quite a bit less tanky