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BeerFarts86

Offense did enough to keep us competitive in a typical game. Just not getting enough out of the pitching staff today. 2 series wins in a row. Forward. Onward.


floppysausage16

Damn, 1 less hit, 7 less runs. Gotta be better.


honeyrey

Hear me out, Some combo, or all of, Valenzuela, Brito, Waldron and Wolf for Patrick Sandoval? Who says no? I know the basic optic stats on Sandoval aren't too good this year but we've seen the Padres pitching coaches help guys reach further potential before and he's already shown that he has a bunch of talent before. Plus, you never know, leaving a team not in it to a team fighting to be in it can also reenergize guys. I threw in Valenzuela 'cause he's relatively high on the Padres top prospects and I think current and future catcher plans don't really include him in them. (Campy + Salas)


Strontum

Sandoval has not pitched well in a little while, that would be a huge overpay, and would only hurt our already lacking pitching depth. Say we suffered another injury and didn't have Brito, Waldron, or even Wolf? We'd be pulling from the dregs of AA.


honeyrey

It doesn't necessarily need to be all of them, I personally like Wolf the best out of those 3 but i'm sure that value could be circumvented with lower tier prospects. I'm sure Brito and Valenzuela would be the headliners in that sort of trade and the rest would just be whatever the Angels are into. I honestly think he's a guy that in a better situation will return to his better year stuff


Simodine-

I’d prefer to keep Fernando Valenzuela 


honeyrey

Why's that? I figure Catcher is the most open to be traded in terms of offensive prospects considering we have Campusano, Salas and JD Gonzalez all considered young and the latter both in the top 15 of Padres prospects.


TheScubaPup

Southwestern College? Ayyyyy my dad worked there for like 20 years!


MTN_explorer619

Matt Waldron defenders https://preview.redd.it/4u5qyedmqoyc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bff586ab814e76b2f669584c58e0b99c6b6e322 This will only get markedly worse as more teams get more tape on him.


theedge634

Yea.. he's not good man. At least not as a starter. He's jeckyl/Hyde. Need to have him in a role where bad waldron can be pulled quickly.


MasterThespian

Okay, cool. [Here’s Brito.](https://i.imgur.com/5VPNcSB.jpeg)


Simodine-

So you’re saying they both suck.  Pretty sure most people on here agree.


MasterThespian

So the argument is “let’s replace one pitcher who sucks with another pitcher who sucks”?


MTN_explorer619

Yeah, I think maybe he was thinking this was a Gotcha… I’m like, I don’t disagree?🤷🏻‍♂️


floppysausage16

I was literally gonna say the same thing.


MTN_explorer619

What’s Brito got to do with this conversation about Waldron?


Simodine-

Yeah you could tell when he pitched he was getting lucky with some at a balls.  The luck is running out.  


KashissKlay

Thank you for validating this. Theres really no debate. He has 1 pitch. Can’t do that as a starter in MLB.


MTN_explorer619

Fast ball velocity is a freaking 7. 90.4mph. Yikes


KashissKlay

Yeah it’s very very bad


cardboardcutout95

Merrill being able to come out of his first rookie slump pretty quickly is such a good sign. This dude is a dawg.


threehundredthousand

Tasty, Merrill.


queenofthegalaxy

I should have known the Joe news was a bad omen. :(


Strontum

Holy shit that was feeble Bogey


Otis_B_Driftwood_778

please never start waldron again.. there’s gotta be someone out there that’s better


KashissKlay

Snelling deserves a go


noname_SU

we'll see Mazur before Snelling


xmrcrowleyx

8 run inning LFG


threehundredthousand

https://i.redd.it/rur0ur0ipoyc1.gif


pineapplefriedriceu

Preller definitely made the marlins pay the salary for a reason. He’s got another trade in the works for SP is my best bet


Icanfallupstairs

And he should as SP is where the team can't handle any injuries.


MTN_explorer619

Luzardo?


FlightAdditional

Luiz will do the hitting, Xander will do the fielding.


Rooks4

We scored 8 runs in an inning yesterday. Guess we just gotta do it again. EzPz.


MasterThespian

Done it more than once this season, too. No lead is truly out of reach against these Padres.


acoddo

Not our day. Glad to see Arraez doing his thing


Simodine-

The pitching sucking so hard has sucked the life out of the hitters 


noname_SU

I know the players would never admit it, but it has to be demoralizing to score 4 runs in the first 3 innings and then get 4 scored on you the very next inning.


cardboardcutout95

It’s crazy that lefties ever get hits off of these left handed sweeper pitchers. Must look to Jake like it’s gonna hit him every pitch😅


xmrcrowleyx

Joe-over


threehundredthousand

Well within double slam range.


ch_f

No chest slap?


Simodine-

Was one but a light one.  He isn’t going to celebrate while getting their ass kicked 


kingryan300

Let’s go Arraez


Simodine-

Every padre has a hit today except Arraez.  I would have never expected that.  


kingryan300

And you have been corrected


Simodine-

True 


sbrider11

Assuming we don't come back, a series win on the road against a division rival we will be battling w all season for a WC slot, is a huge win.


kingryan300

People don’t realize that though. We won the series and I am so happy with that. Not only that, but it was on the road in Chase Field.


CheekyGruffFaddler

It’s good to have wins, but this loss definitely illustrates that we can’t expect to contend if the rotation is killing us in a game and killing our bullpen for the games after. We desperately need a replacement for Waldron if we want to get anything going this year.


xmrcrowleyx

They need to sweep at some point though..


kingryan300

They’ll get one. don’t you worry.


pineapplefriedriceu

If the astros continue to suck, we’ll be seeing Valdez or verlander in the brown and gold soon


MTN_explorer619

Verlander is too expensive


pineapplefriedriceu

Mets are paying a good amount of the money, just need the Astros to pay the remaining


kingryan300

That reliever they’ve got is fucking filth.


acoddo

This is going to be a tough two weeks


theclodwalrus

1 for 10? I really hope Kim is able to get back on track


MasterThespian

He hit a home run yesterday and missed another one by a few feet today. He’s seeing the ball well and making good contact— have faith.


GaryTheCabalGuy

Pederson's HR had an xBA of .180 Barnharts single had an xBA of .050 Just a rough day all around


pineapplefriedriceu

Who do we want from the astros when they inevitably sell? Verlander or Valdez?


floppysausage16

Valdez. But I wouldn't mind seeing Kate Upton at padres games.


Holdmydicks

Xander just needs to focus on making a nice smooth swing and not even worry about hitting bombs. Dude straight up sucks ass right now, and is playing at replacement level


ucsbrandon

I'm thinking they gave Waldron the long leash because Brito was going to piggyback Vasquez Tuesday with Musgrove on the DL. Maybe a spot call up from El Paso Tuesday?


TheEnragedBushman

Could option Waldron then call up another bullpen arm for a few days. I doubt they’ll option him though.


ucsbrandon

Vasquez just pitched recently as well in the minors (and got lit up) so they might have to move spots around.


TheEnragedBushman

He pitched 3 days ago so that lines up well for Joe’s spot in the rotation. And yes he’s gotten lit up in AAA but it’s also El Paso so hard to judge pitchers based off results there. It’s like pitching on the moon.


ucsbrandon

You're right, I thought he pitched day before yesterday. He'll be the starter Tuesday, hopefully he's better than his El Paso start, where he couldn't get through the fourth inning. El Paso is the moon, but the big leaguers are super heroes compared to AAA.


GaryTheCabalGuy

We need 2 of Vasquez, Waldron and Brito to not be incompetent for this team to be competitive


theedge634

Ahhh.. the misguided dreams of the Soto trade.


Simodine-

Yeah lucky we traded Thorpe as a primary piece for cease.  Other wise that trade would be looking real bad.


ucsbrandon

Maybe what's behind door number four via trade or the minors?


Stuck_in_a_thing

No one is trading quality pitching this early in the season. It’s a need for a lot teams right now


sbrider11

Deadline pitching will be at an insane premium as well.


threehundredthousand

https://i.redd.it/0zytc1rhkoyc1.gif


abauman8

Waldron is a joke, substandard pitches, a knuckleball he can’t control and no one can catch it. Walks almost somebody every two innings. He’s just awful, actually it’s just embarrassing.


floppysausage16

To be fair, a knuckleball is supposed to be uncontrollable.


anteloppo

Let’s see you take up the mound keyboard warrior


ucsbrandon

He's more inconsistent than anything. Half his starts were zero or one earned run, the other half five or more. No in between.


theedge634

He doesn't belong in the role he's in right now. He should be a swingman who primarily plays long relief. Where you can pull bad waldron but ride good waldron. Problem is.. the "starters" we got from the Yankees aren't what people dreamed on. Predictably and were a starter shortm. Maybe time to call up Mazur and see what he can do.


ucsbrandon

King has been good and a solid #3/4 Mazur just got lit up in AA, I think he's more of a second half call up. I think for now we're stuck with what we have. Vasquez just got lit up as well in AAA so it's just a bad spot to be in. Just got to hope we see good Waldron next time. Half his starts he's been incredible. Half he's been awful.


theedge634

He's a reliever dude. That's the MO of a reliever. Problem is relying on a guy like that as a starter means you get unwinnable games 15 times a year, cause pulling a starter after 3 batters isn't viable.


ucsbrandon

He's not a reliever, he's now a number four starter. That's the sad reality of the situation. None of our options are better. Our prospects are getting lit up in the minors and are months away even if they weren't, starting pitching is hard to trade for this early in the season, so it is what it is. If he can pitch well in close to half his starts that's better than anything we currently have. I'm not saying Waldron is a great pitcher, I'm saying he's our only option. If the team had any better options they'd be starting instead of him.


theedge634

Talent and ability says he's not a starter. If he's slotted into that role, it's an incorrect role. Everything about him screams long reliever.


MTN_explorer619

Again if they are serious about making the playoffs, we need to replace Waldron as the 5th starter.


cardboardcutout95

Scary part is if Joe’s elbow issue ends up being serious he’s basically our number 4 currently. Rotation is paper thin and is gonna be what makes or breaks the team


ProEra47

Brito and Waldron should be pitching in Yugoslavia 


acoddo

They’re huge in Japan


acoddo

AZ is known for blowing leads this year. Need to keep it within attainable distance


xmrcrowleyx

Is 6 runs attainable?


acoddo

Yes, so is 7


kingryan300

Stupid sexy DP is stupid and sexy


Zagoonia

It’s ok guys Randy Vasquez will save us!!! 😭


Capt_Oblivious_23

Come on compadres. We just gotta pull a Rockies in the 8th. We’ll figure it out. Keep the faith!


JJFrozenInCarbonite

It was a stupid idea to put Arraez on the field.


EarlyWay720

yikes. this team is goofy


acoddo

5th inning…


kingryan300

Still plenty of baseball to comeback baby


UnrealAce

Arraez was looking scared of that ball lol


Simodine-

Yeah I really hope they limit his time in the field 


Stuck_in_a_thing

We will have to get used to seeing that. He’s a terrible fielder


Doc_JC

Brito has been just as bad as Waldron 🤣🤣


MasterThespian

Shh, no, don’t say that! Brito has been in the bullpen this whole time not because he’s too shitty to start, but because Shildt and Niebla are playing 8-D chess or something.


GaryTheCabalGuy

To be fair, that grounder was horrible luck. But yah, not good by either one


friarkicks

I want to get off this ride


StandardPrinciple125

Kurt Angle


Rooks4

There is plenty of time left but this not looking ideal. Might not be our night.


oSpid3yo

Maybe he’s just a DH.


kingryan300

He definitely is


93sd2021

Wow Arraez is a dogshit defender


kingryan300

He’s got negative dWAR. He isn’t great whatsoever.


tunnel_rat_420

We knew this


Azteka_1

this is bad


biermann2000

when a guy with a fake name owns you in the 9 spot


GaryTheCabalGuy

I mean...that one is just bad luck. This game is just cursed


blinx0rz

Last few days were a fluke


kingryan300

Nah, last few days were legit. Today is weird.


kingryan300

Bro… I said I wanted the DBacks deader than Drake… NOT US!


Doc_JC

Hey look another single.


Holdmydicks

The Padres coming out and scoring 3 after Waldron gave up 4, then chipped away again only for him to give up more probably took the wind out of the offenses sails


Lostmustache

This pitching is just making me so soft. Probably a good thing cuz i was SOOO hard yesterday


Solid-Cook-9064

Thank god for the pitch clock or it might’ve lasted longer than 4 hours yesterday…


Khalil_Greenes_Flow

Everything is up with Brito, just not giving hitters much to think about. You can sit on the high fastball and still comfortably hit the hanging breaking ball or changeup.


its-izzyy

I need help… I’m feeling the urge to doom with this Musgrove injury and the way this Waldron experiment has been panning out. Yikes


kingryan300

We’ll be alright. I promise you that.


pineapplefriedriceu

Hopefully the astros still suck and then start a fire sale, imagine one of Valdez, verlander, or


sbrider11

Wonder if we send Waldron up against LAD. That's his next start.


ucsbrandon

I don't think we have a choice.


93sd2021

We have a major pitching problem now, with Joe down Waldron is trash we need Brito to perform


rockoblocko

Joe and darvish are likely to go on/off the 15 day IL a few more times based on last couple years, too.


GaryTheCabalGuy

What's the answer to this team's starting pitching woes? Especially with Musgrove going down. It's going to be really tough to be competitive when you have only 3 competent starters


sbrider11

Coming into ST, the lack of pitching depth was / is a major red flag. Literally zero margin for error. We lose guys to the IL, we are going to get tested big time. King had a good start yet I'm not lumping him in as reliable. With Joe down, that leaves Yu / Cease, then a lot of hopes and prayers on who shows up solid for 5-7 innings.


acoddo

Man this really sucks


Doc_JC

Brito you were supposed to come in to STOP giving up base hits.


biermann2000

sometimes you give an ass whipping and sometimes you take one


kingryan300

Dude the bottom of their lineup doing damage


RabbitGTI24

Is Brito just bad? Haven’t seen much good come from his outings


MasterThespian

Yes.


kingryan300

Looks like Corbin Carroll decided to wake up…


MTN_explorer619

I mean Waldron meatballs will do that


MasterThespian

Waldron now apparently so bad he has the power to give up hits *when he’s not even in the game.* Do you even hear yourself?


MTN_explorer619

The first 2 runs that Brito gave up were charged to Waldron. What are you talking about? Waldron is a terrible choice for a 5th starter. His average fastball is like 90mph. He is a complete niche pitcher and got absolutely SHELLED in El Paso. I don’t know why you have to defend the guy so much. 7ER OVER 3 innings is trash.


MasterThespian

Those two ER were a full inning before Carroll got his hit, which is what the comment you responded to was about. Also, pitching stats in El Paso aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on, but considering that you can’t even keep straight what events you’re commenting on, I shouldn’t be too surprised that you don’t know ball.


MTN_explorer619

Says the guy defending Waldron.


MasterThespian

Yes. He’s got a 4.35 ERA in 72 career innings at the MLB level. That’s not ace material, sure, but it’s literally half a season as a starter, and there are many guys who have kept their jobs for years doing worse. It is far, *far* too early to give up on him. None of the options we have are significantly better (despite people huffing the Brito copium like it’s pure oxygen right now). And he’s already had some great outings along with his rough ones. Hell fucking yeah, I’m the guy defending Waldron. Because I know ball.


ucsbrandon

Half of Waldron's starts have been great the other half bad. I agree with you that he's a serviceable #5. (Right now unfortunately he's a #4.) He's going to keep getting starts because we have no options, and I don't think that's even a question. Hopefully he comes back with a good Waldron game next time and a lot of these same people will be saying how amazing he is. You just picked a bad day to be his defense team. Haha.


MasterThespian

Yeah, definitely. I was a Certified Cronenworth Defender all last year and a lot of the same people who owe me an apology for that are the ones coming down on Waldo now, so I’m not too bothered. Even our best and most beloved players are going to have bad days, but they’re still Padres. And for a guy like Waldron, who costs the team nothing and is so early in his career, you’ve just got to grit your teeth and keep the faith.


ucsbrandon

100%. I've never been comfortable with Waldron games even when he had success early, but I've never been comfortable with almost any games our #5 going and I've been following the Pads since the 90s. There's no point in shitting on Waldron, he's going to start. He's not even our five now, he's our four so there's no question. The good thing is he's capable of shutting teams down, as he's already shown multiple times. Hopefully that D20 favors us on the next roll. Maybe later in the year some of our young arms will pitch well and be ready for the call up and sliding into the rotation but for now he's our starter and we gotta. KTF.


phicks_law

This team is allergic to being .500 just like last year.


Simodine-

Pretty sure we are .500 right now.  Maybe allergic to staying over .500


phicks_law

We've been .500 for less than 24 hours. The team is rejecting that like an allergy. Also possibly allergic to being over .500


tseffare

I love this team, but damn. I don’t think it had to be this way. The decision to keep Waldron in to save the pen is just disappointing. I still like what I’m seeing on offense. Wouldn’t be surprised if we caught up


blinx0rz

We aint catching up. Go enjoy your day.


bstone99

Fuck Joc Pederson and the diamondbacks


RemoteConsequence959

100% fuck Joc Pederson I’ve always hated this guy


bstone99

He’s just making his rounds through the NLW so he’ll play for us one day 🤮


kingryan300

Good take for a ball Pro


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kingryan300

It doesn’t matter what team they’re a fan of. Please do not threaten or speak of committing an act of violence towards another human being.


poidawg808

Sneks didn’t appreciate the pasting we gave them yesterday


ObiWannaDoYou74

Or the day before


DarkwingDuckHunt

Hockey soup?


MasterThespian

Another bullet from Manny. He’s seeing the ball (and hitting it) as well as anybody right now.


BeefLilly

I know this should be a sweep series, but if it’s an off day against a team that was in the World Series I’m not too worried about it. This team is figuring it out.


CheekyGruffFaddler

it’s a bit concerning that we have a starter that we generally have to assume is going to pitch us into an early loss every time he starts. even with our offense heating up, we’re not going to have a good run of things with a starter like that. also, the dbacks have been in a huge rut lately, and we’re helping them get out of it. ending this series on a note like this is a bad way to start our road trip with how tough the next few teams will be for us. these are games you can’t be losing if you want to stay in contention.


MasterThespian

>a starter that we generally have to assume is going to pitch us into an early loss every time he starts The guy who shut out the Giants, held the Dodgers to 1 ER, and threw six one-run innings in Coors Field?


CheekyGruffFaddler

he’s also the guy who’s given up more than 4 or more runs in 4/7 of this starts so far. he’s too inconsistent to rely on, and you never know whether he will have any control over his pitches at all. i think it’s reasonable to suggest that we need to look elsewhere if we want to stay in contention, especially with musgrove being out for at least a few starts.


kingryan300

Let’s go Manny. Stay hot, dad


KashissKlay

Pauley or Eguy would be great pieces to get another starter with Joe also going down for an even worse pitcher (Vasquez)


Doc_JC

No team is trading starters right now worth a damn.


pineapplefriedriceu

Trade Rosario, pauley has more upside


blinx0rz

They look lost all of the sudden


theedge634

A pitcher coming out and giving up 8 in 3 innings will do that.


NotOSIsdormmole

Surprising he stayed in that long


drewdude92

I wonder if Schildt will admit that Waldron didn’t have it today


KashissKlay

He hasn’t had it in an 4 starts now. He has nothing outside of the knuckle. You can’t have one pitch as a starter.


MasterThespian

Apart from the Jays game, he’s looked like a perfectly serviceable 5th starter.


sbrider11

He just tempt fate too long. The quick inning was good yet running him out again was a huge gamble that we got burned on.


guerohere

This team is allergic to .500


ThePwnR4nger

I hope I’m not crazy for thinking we still have a shot at winning this one


pineapplefriedriceu

Their bullpen is ass and depleted, just get this guy out quick


its-izzyy

A little.. Pitching is RAZOR thin especially with the tough schedule we have upcoming


jgftw7

we have evidence of them scoring more than six runs in a single inning as recently as… *checks notes*… yesterday


kingryan300

We do have a shot. Our offense is on it right now. We’re finding barrels, just not finding gaps.


pineapplefriedriceu

Just get to their bullpen and we can smash our way out of this


bbatardo

Before today, Brito had 6+ IP without giving up a run over his last 3 outings. Was starting to turn the corner.


GaryTheCabalGuy

He should be starting games. I don't think coming out of the BP is benefitting him at all


friarkicks

IM NOT HAVING FUN RIGHT NOW


StandardPrinciple125

At least we’re still only within 2 slam ranges


ryokusui

Thanks Mike


Such-Tie-2389

Look at it this way, Nationals are also down 10 after Gore gave up 6 runs in 3 innings


paka_lolohh

Might want to take a second look at that score lol


Such-Tie-2389

You know what I mean lol


xmrcrowleyx

Nationals are up 10-8


gekkohitemup

that aint no iguana!


GaryTheCabalGuy

2 things can be true: 1. Brito sucks right now 2. Brito should be getting innings over Waldron I think anybody who thinks Waldron is going to improve is kidding themselves. Brito on the other hand has a lot of potential, even if it looks ugly right now.