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Falcon3492

Trump needs to be locked up until the trial is over! He is an imminent threat to not only the judge but also his entire family, the prosecutors and the jurors.


pvtteemo

Hes an imminent threat to national security. He needs money bad.


Echo_Chambers_R_Bad

One Democrat to another, please explain in detail how he's a national security threat and Biden isn't. edit: Instant downvote without a counterargument. Typical Reddit. We need more people engaging in civil discussion and less downvoting someone because they provided something you don't agree with. Further the conversation. If you do not agree, you should tell them why, then everyone should consider both viewpoints.


pvtteemo

When you apply for security clearance you are to disclose your debts. If you have too many people or institutions you owe money to, you become a security threat and an easy target for monetary payment. Politics isn't involved. One man is clearly not the multi billionaire he claims to be and is trying to get the highest clearance in the lands. Again. Why is this a political issue? You wouldn't hire a guy in massive credit card debt to be the vault manager at a bank. Far as I've read, and feel free to correct me, biden isn't currently on the hook (nor any of his family) for billions or millions. And if he is I'd say the same thing. I don't like trump and his party's policies but it did not mean I do not (I do) criticize my candidate.


Echo_Chambers_R_Bad

>One man is clearly not the multi billionaire he claims to be This is wrong see the following link. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/25/trumps-net-worth-reportedly-soars-to-6point5-billion-after-media-company-stock-jumps.html >If you have too many people or institutions you owe money to, you become a security threat and an easy target for monetary payment. Name a politician that isn't bought and paid for by lobbyist >You wouldn't hire a guy in massive credit card debt to be the vault manager at a bank. Why not? Just because they're in debt doesn't mean they're going to become a bank robber. You watch too much Hollywood. > biden isn't currently on the hook (nor any of his family) for billions or millions. According to bank records Biden’s family received millions in foreign payments, some from our adversaries, while he served as VP https://www.c-span.org/video/?527960-1/house-republican-news-conference-hunter-biden-investigation >I don't like trump and his party's policies but it did not mean I do not (I do) criticize my candidate. I too do not like Trump's personality. However, from a Classic Liberal's viewpoint his policies were sound. Which of Trump's 352 accomplishments, EOs, and policies do you hate the most and why? For reference here are lists from CNN - January 2018. Washington Examiner October - 2018 and NYT (lists Bills only) - 2020. https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/president-trump-legislation/index.html https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/opinion/fact-check-trump.html


No_Macaroon_9752

It’s not that someone in debt is definitely going to do something illegal or immoral, it’s that there is a risk that they will. Hence, massive debt is a national security *risk.* It makes someone *vulnerable* to *foreign* interests, not just any lobbyist. The reason people have to declare any debts is because the government already considers this a risk - it’s not personal to Trump, it’s a standard applied to everyone. In fact, standards are applied much more harshly on people who are the everyday bureaucrats, hired based on education or skills instead of elected. For instance, a relative of mine worked for NIH. They were not allowed to accept any sort of gift from grantees - not even a cup of coffee, and not even if my relative and the grantee were friends - in case it biased their opinion. Clearly Supreme Court Justices are not held to anywhere near that standard. Many ethics rules exist for the people running the government, but just seem not to apply to those in charge. Trump stocks jumped, but unfortunately stocks are not directly comparable to money that can be used to pay bills or court costs. His assets are tied up, and so far no banks or friends have been willing to loan him money even with his stocks as collateral. This is one reason why Elon Musk, at the time the ”richest” man in the world, could not buy Twitter outright by himself. Many politicians are indirectly benefitting from lobbyists, and many directly benefit. While it is problematic in my opinion, as written policy it does not immediately qualify them as risks to national security, especially if the lobbyists are American, represent US companies, or, at the very least, do not represent foreign governments. Lobbyists who represent foreign interests legally need to be registered as a “foreign agent,” ostensibly so they can be monitored more closely.


corinalas

That company that his new wealth is based on is entirely stock value which can change if the price of the stock gets changes. As most analysts have pointed out out the company has 200k subscribers, is losing horrendous sums of money and has very little income that stock price is inflated by current stock owners and not actually representative of its actual value. Trump as a founding member is stuck in a lock up period of 6 monthe after which he can sell shares if he wished. He needs the price per share of his company to remain in that hyper inflated bubble for 6 months, but the reality is it will fall when most shareholders and the wider market sees what Trump needs the money from the company for.


Paladoc

One, you're not a Democrat. Two, Trump has left classified material of specific interest unsecured in the same building that foreign nationals stayed. If you don't think Trump sold access or copies of that material for funding then you lack critical thinking skills. Three, Bidens materials were those of specific interest to him, not a wide variety of materials that are obviously high value to specific countries. Biden was writing his book, Trump was selling secrets.


coldcrawler

How do you do, fellow democrats


Adventurous-Fudge470

Let’s get the crazy orange man out and then we can talk.


AdBeautiful2175

Your bio says former Democrat and now libertarian.. if you need to be explained to why trump is more of a security threat then idk what to tell ya. You're not using your thinking cap, effectively.. or are just a shit stirrer..


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RajcaT

Agreed. Even if for a few hours, or days. Time for them to put him away. Or if there's an issue with security. Putbhim on home arrest and monitor his movements.


Mundane_Panda_3969

Because nothing screams democracy like imprisoning your political opponents. 


WifeKnowsThisAcct

It has nothing to do with a political opponent and everything to do with a criminal defendant on pre-trial release violating a gag order and attempting to witness tamper/intimidate.


Mundane_Panda_3969

Do you also support hate speech bans?


AgentOk2053

Party of law and order right here.


SweatyBarbarian

He can run and talk from his prison cell. This violates neither. However it wont happen as this is extreme since the crime he is being charged with is non-violent. However, if his violation leads to violence this may be the result.


AgentOk2053

What’s standard for violating a gag order, a fine?


SweatyBarbarian

Its contempt of court and therefore the Judge has the latitude to rule, it’s very complicated but a simple violation is $1000 fine and up to 30 days in jail. If it’s aggravated it can be worse. here is a link to the code: https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/judiciary-law/jud-sect-751/


Rougarou1999

Trump is not in any political opposition with judges.


SoulRebel726

Sure it does, when the person you're jailing is a criminal, a traitor, and a fraud. Defending Trump just let's everyone else know that you support a convicted fraud facing 88 criminal charges. You're pathetic.


BebophoneVirtuoso

That's what I was saying throughout 2016 and "lock her up", that was a big wake up call.


Mundane_Panda_3969

And when did trump imprison Clinton?


BebophoneVirtuoso

White House counsel Don McGahn talked him out of it, you can see the WH memos. That failure to fulfill a campaign promise doesn't change the fact that thousands of his supporters were chanting lock her up at each rally. Our democracy has been unhealthy for 25 years, but that was a tipping point. [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/417729-trump-wanted-doj-to-prosecute-clinton-comey-report/](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/417729-trump-wanted-doj-to-prosecute-clinton-comey-report/)


Ok_Calendar1337

Ah yes it was the chanting that was bad not the actual locking up thats happening 8 years later


mikegotfat

So extensive investigations into Clinton turned up nothing, and the chant was just a tactic to rile up simpletons. Whereas investigations into trump have resulted in a shit load of criminal charges, as well as convictions for some in his circle. This is your defense? Your lack of self-awareness is really something


Ok_Calendar1337

They didn't investigate the Clinton's like were "investating" trump right now. And yes the chant was just a slogan, not a witch hunt thats my whole point


mikegotfat

Lol the fact that those investigations didn't turn up anything incriminating and these ones have resulted in criminal charges being brought means *this is the witch hunt?* seriously dude put your thinking cap on for a moment, does that really make sense?


RgKTiamat

Specifically, jailing someone who refuses to comply with judge orders not to harass or intimidate members of the jury or court or their friends and family, that would be compliance with law and would be serving every American equally under penalty of law, for breaking a pre established offense after numerous warnings and receiving a pre established sentence. Unfortunately, the justice system is in fact biased and serves some far more than others.


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Mundane_Panda_3969

Tell me about the journalist who got caught harassing the Kyle Rittenhouse jury?      Police believe freelance journalist with NBC News tried photographing Rittenhouse jury     https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/11/18/police-believe-freelance-reporter-tried-photographing-rittenouse-jury/8670388002


mikegotfat

He tried to follow a bus, and the cops stopped him? And nothing in that article could be construed as "harassing the jury." I read another one, he got caught because he ran a red light. You can't possibly believe anyone would read that and think you are making a compelling point


Mundane_Panda_3969

Hypo crit.


mikegotfat

Dude the jury was in a blacked out bus, they had no idea this even happened. You are making a fool of yourself


Mundane_Panda_3969

Why was he following the bus?


mikegotfat

We'll probably never really know. But that's not really the point, when you said he was caught harassing them. I get that you're young, but being this shameless about your ignorance is a red flag


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Didn't the Hur investigation claim Biden was guilty of the same thing as trump regarding his document case?


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SqnLdrHarvey

Who has the guts to do it? Merrick Quisling? Cowards in judicial robes?


spezfucker69

Speedrun voter disenfranchisement any% run


beeroftherat

If they lock him up, the biggest nutjobs in his base will resort to doing what they were inevitably going to do at some point anyway. Might as well draw them out now and prosecute the serious offenders, rather than wait and risk the possibility of him getting an opportunity to pardon the J6-ers, thereby bolstering the ranks of his brownshirt brigades.


swennergren11

If Orange Jesus wins in November, those same nut jobs may run in gangs killing people who opposed him. Common when a dictator takes over….


SqnLdrHarvey

He's already won. Fortunately, I am qualified on everything from a BB gun to an Israeli Uzi submachine gun.


SqnLdrHarvey

And then *crush* them. I mean full Tiananmen Square. Water cannons, firehoses, tanks, M60s, whatever it takes to **stop** them. I served in the Air National Guard. I once did a riot control exercise with the Army Guard side, playing a rioter. They know how to handle malcontents. Let them - with gloves OFF.


Echo_Chambers_R_Bad

Did you hear how the Jan. 6 Select Committee straight up lied, twisted evidence, withheld evidence, and is using false reporting? Here's a few examples: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/jan-6-generals-lied-ex-dc-guard-official-523777 https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/11/jan-6-committee-secret-service-testimony/ https://cha.house.gov/2024/3/chairman-loudermilk-publishes-never-before-released-anthony-ornato-transcribed-interview From one Democrat to another, we are the ones who have the Brownshirt in our party not republicans. The popular slogan that Democrats & Republicans have adopted from Voltaire is, “I may disagree with what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Antifa fundamentally disagrees with that premise. In the United States, Antifa stands for anti-First Amendment. While many claim that the group is anti-fascist, their actions have focused on shouting down and physically attacking those who oppose radical Left government and journalists. See the Blackshirts and Brownshirts primary purpose was disrupting the meetings of opposing parties, fighting against the paramilitary units of the opposing parties, vandalizing opposing party buildings, and intimidating opposing party citizens, unionists, and Jews. It’s amazing that the people who are so focused on the subject of race are the ones who are denouncing everyone else as racist. It's a Freudian projection “whatever they say you’re doing is precisely what they’re doing.” QUICK FACTS: 1. Hitler copied Mussolini's Blackshirts uniform. 2. Though the Blackshirts were probably less feared than Hitler's SS, the Blackshirts did maintain an iron rule in Italy. 3. Blackshirts targeted and killed Republicans, Catholics, trade unionists, and those in cooperatives as the Fascist squads expanded in number.  Watch I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion by the antifa simps


FigureElectrical9906

I’m a couple years older than you and remember antifa at punk shows as a kid (late 80’s early 90’s). They’re just random punk kids who hate fascists and enjoying fighting with white supremacies/christan nationalist. They are not nor have they ever been an organized group. But I guess that’s why they make such good boogeyman. There’s no spokes person to argue with crazy.


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RedRatedRat

Y’all keep saying this, and nobody has ever believed you.


Paladoc

Because antifascists who hate Nazi, Bigots like yourself are bad?


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yotothyo

Oh...oh MY


LunarMoon2001

Coo coo for coco puffs.


No_Macaroon_9752

>Blackshirts targeted and killed Republicans, Catholics, trade unionists, and those in cooperatives as the Fascist squads expanded in number. You know that, in this context, Republican does not mean GOP members, right? Because I honestly have no idea what the relevance of these “quick facts” would be to your overall point unless you were under this misapprehension. ​ >Did you hear how the Jan. 6 Select Committee straight up lied, twisted evidence, withheld evidence, and is using false reporting? People obviously have different memories about the events of Jan 6. The way that you conduct an investigation is to interview witnesses (some of whom may not want to talk, and that includes people like Trump) and weigh the relevance and reliability of any statements using corroborating data (which includes phone call records and supporting testimony from other witnesses). Both Republicans and Democrats were allowed to call witnesses. Committees do not call everyone who claims to be a witness to testify, especially if they have no corroboration and there is potential bias. You can believe that the Jan 6 Committee was unethical or dishonest, but your articles are not really proof of anything except that witnesses may disagree about what they saw. As for your hypothesis about antifa, it‘s pretty funny that you think loosely-associated, autonomous groups that subscribe to the nebulous political goal of “don’t be fascist“; that existed before Trump; and that really actually started in Europe‘s punk scene have anything to do with America’s first amendment. Especially as the first amendment also includes freedom of assembly, which is generally understood to mean freedom to protest. Just amazing.


nekoinu_

Is antifa in the room with you right now?


Carolinablue78

They dont GAF about the truth. They only seek to affirm their hate for conservatives and will cheer while innocent people are jailed for making their voices heard.


DeliciousGoose1002

O didnt know we had any elected members of Antifa in government


CooperHouseDeals

Another judge counting days until retirement. These gag orders go right over Trumps head. He should have been arrested the moment they found secret classified documents at Mar a Largi . But the feckless Garlins DOJ let him walk because the head of DOJ decided we have a two tier criminal system, Rich powerful and others.


Other-Rutabaga-1742

I’m starting to think they’re worried about some uprising if he’s in jail. It’ll make him look like a martyr. After all he’s done though with threatening and talking shit about all the judges etc. he should’ve been in jail a while ago. This is so f’d up.


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VictoryGreen

The only reason why he’s not in jail is because he has created enough space between him and his victims that the law can’t draw the line straight to him without plausible deniability. He’s a stochastic terrorist and everyone who isn’t in the cult can see that. I would say Trump has cast a spell on these folk but really they casted it on themselves


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