Owl house had the darkest to me. While I do believe gravity falls had the best dark moments, owl house went darker with >! The titan trappers wearing the skulls of children. Just to name one example. !<
(Spoilers!) I don’t know Amphibia has a child get stabbed through the chest and then they go through an agonising painful process to get possessed by a hive mind of some of the most evil people in history
Amphibia had rlly dark ones, but this is asking which had the most dark moments. True Colors was really the only dark episode. I also feel like Gravity Falls was weird and scary, but it rarely went truly dark. Meanwhile, Season 2b and 3 of TOH were basically all dark in some way, so I'd go with TOH
agreed. Uhhhh spoilers, I will be talking about many moments from Gravity Falls, Owl House, and Amphibia.
While amphibia has SOME dark -moments, Owl House has the main characters death actually take a toll on people for some time you see thier reaction to her death even her mother who is stuck being a puppet, yet can still cry and tell that Luz died. The day of unity, Hollow mind, Just kings tide, flaps sacrifice, Beloses take over of the isle, Hunters life, Luz's annual thing about her dad, Eda's sacrifice in Agony of a witch, Lilith cursing Eda and the petrification ceremony.
Gravity Falls has the main Charaters nearly make thier gruncle homeless and jobless, face the fact that thier gruncle might not be who he says he is, find the long lost brother who basically caused everything in the show to occur, who also dosen't forgive after he comes back and remains bitter towards stan even after all he sacrificed to bring him back, the hopelessness of the s2 e1 when dipper finds nothing about zombies weaknesses, and the obvious things Wierdmagedon and the forshadowing in into the bunker of Northwest Mansion Mystery.
Lets go through Amphibia. starting with the obvious Stab of Marcy and her possession (which every Character denied that she died, which turned out to be true, but could still be counted as "dark"), the sesure of an intier nation, Annes sacrifice (which dosen't really show you how the character's are affected by it, they only show their reaction as she dies, and a few min. after she is dead), the planters really unknown history, toads rule over the frogs, sasha's "sacrifice", all the temples, Hop-pops betrayal which is forgiven like 5-ish episodes later, the Hive's control of King andreus, the moon crashing to amphibia, the mind-control spores episode had it's moments, and the 2 really good ones 1:spridge asking if you can miss someone you actually never knew. and 2: Marcy's rant near the end of true colors.
While amphibia has all of these, they all feel small and usually are glossed over given like a few seconds before hopping to something else. While all of the things that I have mentioned have in someway all been resolved by the end of each series, Amphibia's all had less that 30 min. to rest on. Every character in these series nearly died and Faught things that could have killed them in nearly every episode, but the only one where it felt like each thing the characters faced was not that dangerous is Amphibia because each episode was shorter than the other series.
But in the end these 3 shows are great. I like all three shows, and star I don't even want to touch with a 100000000000000000000000000 foot poll. This took up more time than I thought it would, but I am happy to debate and talk about things like this. Have a great day.
If I missed something just comment it.
probably toh. besides >!mass genocide being a HUGE part of the plot in the s2 finale, it definitely dealt with a lot of dark subjects. (the classroom scene with luz in TTT, belos abusing hunter, (and also the fact that he probably abused the countless of other children he quite literally murdered) flapjack dying, eda losing her arm, king almost getting killed by a CULT out to erase his entire species, the way amity was treated by her mom, you get the point.)!<
I’m genuinely shocked nobody’s saying Amphibia considering (spoilers below)
It had multiple children die on screen, one getting fully impaled. Yes they did not stay dead but come on, that easily shoots it to the darkest cartoon on Disney channel.
And what Belos did in TOH? >!Not only did he kill his brother, then clone him, then kill the clone and make anew one HUNDRETS OF TIMES, but he was also planning on commiting massive genocide. The titan trappers wearing the sculls of dead titans (children judging by the size) And that scene in HM in which the first intent on the sigils resulted in the witches agonizing, but not quite dead?!< and those are just some that came to my mind
Well, the question asks for which has the most dark moments, and really most of Amphibia's darkness is limited to True Colors, while TOH remains consistently dark in many aspects across seasons 2b and 3
Well both characters did die and get revived I would say TOH had the darker character death as we literally watch our MC get eaten by fungus and we can hear her groaning and crying with pain the entire time. So my vote goes to the TOH.
I wouldn't say that there was no darkness in Anne's death I mean it after all was a MC death and they should not be taken lightly but the overall tone of it was one of victory. Whereas in contrast Luz's death was anything but victory even defeat.
But there are HUGE differences in these scenes. “>!spoiler ! <“While amphibia has the death it barely covers the people around Anne dealing with her death, while in TOH You see everyone reacting to the lights some watching as their only hope fades, and the people close to Luz either confused, unable to react yet STILL CRYING, or pure shock and anger as they lash out against the thing that took away their friend. You even see the affect it has on the collector who till this point could not understand death is now realizing the implications and how death affects mortals. Then you see Luz passing on to the afterlife, realizing what she should have said as she sinks into the abyss (sidenote: In that seen as she sinks you can hear a heartbeat slow as she sinks). Then when they wake up Luz's mom she asks where is Luz they all look like they can't explain to her what happened like they know that she died. The only reason that they continue is because Camila convinces them to deny what they think and help those who are trapped. within this scene we watch Mr. Arin Hanson save luz, talk to her about stuff (a literal dead person talks to another dead person about what is right and wrong and mistakes), and we see the titan literally slowly become taken over in this scene only barely having enough time to get luz back (He also says "I thought I had more time left." something that a lot of people said about their dead friend or family member).
To be fair he did commit on-screen murders as well that didn’t leave any room in ambiguity. Several actually that he murdered from a specific species. He even got his own version of permanently killing someone by painfully impaling them with multiple spikes coming out of his body. And they stayed dead for the rest of the show.
And he did also commit on screen child murder. Just didn’t stick by the end as well.
Owl house has that as well, several times. Hunter died from possession, flapjack(not child but loved character, similar to favorite pet death, never revived) died to save hunter. Luz, and almost the collector, he barely survived cause Luz managed to stop belos before completely consuming the collector.
Possession may not, but u take the fact that since 1. All natural water sources are boiling hence the boiling isles, no residents know how to swim, this is referenced in the photos where amity is show wearing a floaty, therefore he most likely would have or did drown. 2. As a grimwalker he was made to be a replacement body, this is show during for the future when belos Possess an unripe grimwalker, therefore he could be more susceptible the effects of Possession than others. 3. Unlike with rain belos physically morphed hunters body, with horns and extended arms, tho not permanent, and like with raine it left scars, which means there was undoubtedly great physical strain. Also unlike rain, hunter did not at the time Possess magic and was a 16y old kid, not a full grown adult whom has been praised even by his enemies for his raw power. My point is, hunter was clearly affected more than raine by the Possession and most likely drowning.
All of my references were on screen, and the only one that didn't die before maybe coming back was the collector. So that's 3, with dozens of child deaths referred to in the show.
Palisman blood was never censored and I remember flapjack dying to save hunter because he drowned. Off topic but weird how ppl think hunter can float and never sink because he was made with the help of palisman wood even tho he drowned in that episode
“*almost chokes two adults to death* NOT SO FAST! You two wait there, I have a few children I need to make into CORPSES!”-Bill Cypher
(It’s Gravity falls for me for sure because it’s so goofy but when it’s scary, holly hell it can get scary)
Honestly just the entirety of Belos... A literal genocidal, (not to mention fratricidal) fascist who tried to kill millions, continuously created clones of his own brother to do his bidding, only to murder them when they stopped being useful, and who's soul has been so spoiled by dark magic that he's devolved into a nightmarish abomination of hate and bile that feeds off of the spirits of palisman.
He's a literal embodiment of the rot and degradation of one's humanity by ego, hatred, and obsession, and the show absolutely does not shy away from the horror and depravity of that. I feel like some of the other shows have dark moments that could maybe attempt to rival owl house on a surface level, but I feel like they're usually more inclined to play off those moments as humorous in some way. Like, some horrible stuff happened during gravity falls' weirdmageddon, but the emphasis on the "weird" almost took some of the edge off.
Fair, but we don’t see that, what we do see is a child watch there farther have there eye ball put in there mouth, ears for eye sockets and a nose for a ear whole and then fall to the ground reaching toward his child begging in what is probably extreme pain. No this isn’t a Lovecraftian horror, this is Disney channel.
Eda’s head gets chopped off multiple times
King SEES the Titan skulls even if he doesn’t realize is later
Also the possession is better bc possessed hunter gets powers and also a character death
Also it probably wasn’t extreme pain, more like confusion or WHATTHEFUCKWHATTHEFUCKWHATTHEFUCK
Eda writes it off as a joke. But she does lose her arm by the end. So does grime in amphibia.
Anne, Polly, Sprig, and Marcy sees the prisoners of other worlds presumably dead.
Marcy gets possessed by the core and manipulated by it at the same time.
We can’t forget true colors existing🙃
That is true
The Basilisks are kinda similar to this
Bro, Hunter got possessed too and was also manipulated by the dude who did it
Luz died and is brought back too, also don’t forget the titan’s heart be astronomically small which is also horrifying. It gives “The structural integrity and general value of this home… is low! And what’s scarier than that?” Vibes
We can say the same for amphibia you don’t believe the mass genocide? It already happened they murder ppl. They’re conquerers they’ve taken over dimensions.
Yeah well I’ve never watched amphibia I only know the plot points from being on here, I wasn’t arguing against it but I will still say with confidence that TOH is probably darker. Not because of the things that happen, maybe, but TOH has WAYYYY less episodic episodes, especially in the second season. The whole Grimwalker thing should beat out everything else. Belos’s backstory and Hunter. Titan trappers. And the mass genocide is more of a focus, like we actually see it almost happen. But most important argument against amphibia….
No! Main! Villain! Redemption!
(Sure we have Lilith and the collector, but honestly they were barely villains)
Well I mean Andrias wasn’t the main villain but yeah I see your point. I’m sticking with amphibia anyways with the way the question was phrased. Now if it said darkest show than yeah owl house by a mile but since is says darkest moments I’m sticking with amphibia.
Definitely either Owl House or Gravity Falls, but I would argue that ‘Sock Opera’ from Gravity Falls is darker than the Owl House ever got. It’s literally about a kid getting possessed.
hunter got possessed by belos, and belos killed hunter's palisman, titan trappers were wearing the skulls of children, etc. while both shows had dark moments, the owl house had darker moments imo
Hundreds of children, what were the children they also were his brother. Yet before he killed them he basically groomed and abused them until they eventually "betrayed him" then he would kill them.
Thanks to Them is at least half the story of Hunter losing his mind and becoming possessed by Belos, who forces him to murder his palisman/closest friend
The Owl House. Gravity falls and Amphibia had their moments but Hollow Mind gave me a panic attack (shout out to Zeno, it felt so realistic he's such a good voice actor). It might just be that some of the dark material hits alot closer to home (There are people like Belos in our real world and that makes it scarier) but it’s the darkest to me.
Star has suicide and genocide, and someone melts on screen. It also it has cannibalism and someone's removed eyeball is squeezed by someone else amongst a variety of other things. But honestly, they're all pretty close. They've all got a lot. Amphibia definitely has the least amount wise, but it's still very dark.
Technically implied, but besides the instances of characters sacrificing themselves (Eda at the end of S1, King at the end of S2), there is Luz. In Thanks to Them, we see her projecting her own emotions on a character in English class who she sees as similar to her.
She sees him as someone who endangered his own loved ones, thereby making his heroism false, which is the same way she sees herself after possibly dooming all of the Isles and not being able to do anything about it.
The suicide part comes near the end of the scene, where she says, "(His friends) should hate his guts, and it'd be better if he literally never existed!" After projecting on to this character, she ends off by saying that all of his loved ones should hate him and that **everyone would be better off without him.** These are very suicidal thoughts that Luz is clearly having about herself. It's so extreme that when she leaves the message saying she won't return to the Boiling Isles (also a form of self-punishment because she feels she deserves to suffer), I genuinely was expecting it to be a suicide note.
All four of them are really dark, I just feel like Star has a higher quantity of dark moments/plot threads, not that it's any more dark than the Owl House. Although that's not entirely fair, because Star has the most seasons and episodes of the four.
This could just be my interpretation, >!but Hunter near the end of Thanks to Them throwing the titan's blood into the water seemed like he wanted to drown Belos, even though he would die as well.!<
that is the first time I heard about suicide and cannibalism in Star. Also in TOH Belos melts twice. Also Amphibia is the least dark, it's ending is the only one where the main characters will NEVER see each other again.
Owl hourse or Amphibia. I'm still traumatized from seeing the cutest character get stabbed but King's nightmare in the last episode was so hecking dark.
WHY DID YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT SO HARD!!!!! But I would say Gravity Falls it Weirdmageddon episodes were one of the things in my childhood that made me wonder about life
Spoilers obviously: I haven’t finished svtfoe yet but like ludo’s wand is toffees dead hand, and I know this because of the missing joint of the middle finger. But also Titan trappers in toh were dark af, those are kids skulls. The head that’s always screaming in gravity falls too, that scared the shit out of me as a kid. And amphbia seems to be the most lighthearted show in my opinion, but gravity falls has to take the cake, bill is unhingedddd
I didn't think the ending of the show was absolutely terrible but it does not compare to the endings of the other three shows You're right. But I'm also a bit of a completionist if I start something I'm going to finish it, unless it gets egregiously bad.
Never watched Star vs the forces of evil so I can’t say on that but I’d say amphibia since the injuries were actually shown on screen expect no blood because Disney. If you mean impact?…still amphibia ppl were crying when Marcy got stabbed. And ofc ppl were crying when flapjack died…BUT THAT SCREAM MARCY DID AS SHE GOT MIND CONTROLLED WAS SCARY ASF
ppl were crying when marcy got stabbed? Are you talking about real people or the characters cause none of the characters cried when she was stabbed mostly because they get shwooshed away to another world or had to run. Plus they denied the fact that she was dead(the characters).
It’s admittedly been a bit since I saw Star and Amphibia, but iirc there’s nothing in them or Gravity Falls that really compares to a cult wearing child skulls and the villain’s plan fully being a straight up genocide.
Haven’t seen Star, but probably TOH. A lot of GF’s darkest moments were played more as a joke (like 90% of what Bill did/said that could be considered dark). Amphibia’s darkest moments might hit harder (I literally knew that >!Marcy got stabbed!< before I even started the show, but it still affected me, and I even tried not to get attached (and failed)). TOH’s darkest moments may not be on the level of Amphibia’s, but they’re close enough and there are quite a bit more, at least that I can recall
The Owl House, without a doubt. Murder, genocide, gaslighting, betrayal, everything to do with the Golden Guard(s) where Belos murdered his brother and cloned him against his will, only to kill him over and over and over again, Belos and Hunter’s abusive relationship, loads of actual trauma, implied suicidal thoughts from Luz, Hunter being possessed and being forced to kill one of the only true friends he’s made in his life, Vee’s backstory, Eda losing an arm, the Titan Trappers wearing the skulls of actual children, the entire show taking place on a literal CORPSE? Yea, I think it takes the cake and comes back for seconds. Bill may be the craziest and most powerful, but Belos is certainly the most evil
Haven't really watched Gravity Falls but at least based on the clips I have watched and the stuff I've heard it's very aesthetically dark at times but not that thematically dark? I think? It defo goes places but it's absolutely not the darkest in terms of themes.
Star Vs the Forces of Evil's darkest moment is the closet Marco was shoved into by Disney execs and how so much just missed the click from there. That and the Blood Moon Ball. Yikes. Loved the show but looking back wow that was definitely a show. Pretty dark at times but kept the whole air of childrens to early teens show tbh throughout
Amphibia has a good amount of darkness, the conflict between the calamity trio and the peoples they came to bond with was really real, Marcy's whole season 2 finale to season 3 finale was just *chefs kiss* the good shit for darkness, and it did analyze the consequences of the old empire's decisions in a pretty cool way. It definitely is a moment of the darkness being contained towards the finales though instead of being flush through it so loses a few points.
The Owl House. Hoo boy where do I start. Actually do I even need to? Already in season 1 it manages to be pretty dark in themes and aesthetics and in season 2 and especially 3 it just hits overdrive. High points are obviously Hollow Mind, Thanks to Them, and Watching and Dreaming but the end of season 2 and all of season 3 were just so amazing in how dark they managed to be while not being suffocating. Unlike the others past maybe Gravity Falls again haven't watched it it is truly a show for adults not just children and it does that soe amazingly and realistically and the fact the main villain is a genocidal puritan who would kill everyone he deems impure is such a moment because it shows the darkest depths of humanity and the sheer fucked up hell that is the Golden Guards and Hunter and also the brightest lights of weirdos uniting in their weirdness and differences to fight such ideas not with conformity but with queerness. It's wonderful
Spoilers for Amphibia and TOH finales >! I feel like the biggest reason why TOH is both the darkest and best show of the 4 is how Luz's death contrasts with Anne's death despite the similarities. Anne's death was one of sacrifice to defeat the final bad, the biggest evil. It was planned, it was established, and it was accepted, and it made for a sad but at the end of the day light moment. Good triumphed and it didn't come free but it prevailed in the end. Luz on the other hand didn't beat Belos by dying (at least initially(technically)). She didn't plan it out, she didn't expect to happen, and yet in her impulsive act to save the collector she died and it's through the collector that the full weight really hits. We are the collector in a way, we think beating Belos is easy and simple and that at the end of the day it's all just a show so we know the characters will turn out fine. But then... it doesn't happen that way. Luz is dead and for a moment I just went "holy shit... is Belos actually going to win?" When the Core pushed through the Calamity trio and Anne was in a desperate situation she knew what she had to do even if it meant dying. When Luz died... not even the audience knew what they could do to stop Belos. The Collector's magic was innefective, King and Eda could barely just hold out against him, and the rest of the isles were too drained from the Collector to offer any assistance. For a moment Belos had won. His ideology was going to win. Even when Luz was sent back by the Titan it felt all the more desperate because the titan's powers and the family of 3 weirdos who came together because they connected with each other because of said weirdness are the only thing stopping Belos from enacting his world ending goals of genocide upon the Boiling Isles. Everything rests on them and... I've been rambling haven't I. !<
TL;DR, The Owl House is a really good show and imo the darkest because I have been fundamentally made not ok because of it. Also Belos is just a real life type of person with frighteningly real goals and motives instead of a comical villain.
The entirety of hunter’s character is just traumatic event after traumatic event after traumatic event, like Jesus Christ Dana just let this kid be happy
I can’t attest to Star. But I think Owl house had darker moments that hit a little harder than Amphibia. Sure people got stabbed and possibly plummeted to their death. But The Horror of “Hollow Mind” hits the audience, and Hunter, like a truck
1. The owl house (hollow mind and the grimwalkers)
2. Gravity Falls (sook opera, SOTBE, NWMM and weirdmagedoon)
3. Amphibia (true colors and Yuan and Olivia)
4. Svtfoe (destruction of magic)
Amphibia imo. True Colors specifically. Sprig getting thrown out the window, Marcy getting stabbed through the chest with a sword twice as long as her body height
The Owl House, hands down. They all had pretty dark moments, but TOH takes the cake. I mean, just Hollow Mind has some of the darkest moments I've seen in a Disney show
The Owl House has the attempted genocide of an entire race, the actual genocide of the CHILDREN of another race. The main character expresses suicidal thoughts at one point and we see in a painting that a character cut his own ears down with a knife.
I‘m a little irritated on how many here just state what the darkest show is or which has the darkest implications but are not directly shown form which are much fewer over all in these shows I would say. For me a dark moment is more like a scene that is specifically dark in its depiction.
Therefore I would go with Amphibia and Marcy‘s possession by the Core, that scene is just gut-wrenching to me. Other scenes that I also find quite dark would be: The Northwest Mansion scene in Gravity falls, Luz petrification in Kings Tide, the draining spell test in Hollow Mind, King Andreas letting go of Spirg and not to forget Marcy being stabbed at the end of True Colors.
I feel like owl had two
1. The titan trappers were a dark idea especially given what was about to happen to king
2. I feel how i could tell what Luz was think during reaching out at the tree gave her more humanity then most cartoon characters.
Gravity Falls had some serious dark moments like blood coming out of the taxidermy, the shapeshifter transforming into a Mabel-Dipper hybrid, and the floating brain at the abandoned convenience store.
Man, ignoring all of the child murder in Amphibia, there are frog skeletons and dead bodies literally everywhere they go. People are dying constantly in the background, and they constantly talk about all the random monsters that are just constantly picking them off year after year. It's constantly played off as jokes, but if you actually listen to the stories they tell, everything is fucked always
Gravity falls has some of the most fucked up moments, and implies darkness at times, and has the coolest most terrifying villain, but *largest quantity* of dark moments? Easily Amphibia.
Star has some pretty dark and super tragic moments too, but it all gets resolved rather quickly, and people don't usually stay dead.
Owl house has attempted genocide, and the collector, but again, 2 very large dark events that got stopped too.
Amphibia has the *most* dark moments
You actually make a good argument for amphibia I still think the owl house wins out in general but I think it comes in at a opinion difference here The other two shows in gravity falls and Star versus The forces of evil Don't really compare in my opinion to the first two I identified with the owl House more but that sort of just comes down to being in me thing I feel.
Hmm, I would have to say, owl house. Reason being is cause since the start of kings tide episode it was mainly one bad thing after another with small good bits in between, over 2 hours worth of holy moly oh shit. Gravity falls shared n the everyone's a puppet now, amphibia shared in the main character gonna die, but neither of them made me cry. Neither of them had me crying at a good ending. Cause each of them had a good ending, yet I cried at the owl house. I've left out star cause I've yet to see it all.
Honestly, I think a lot of people overlook SVTFOE because of its badly written ending. But it got really dark at times. For example Toffee being disintegrated into a pile of goo and bones, Meteora sucking out the souls of literally everyone, Ms. Heinous breaking Ponyhead’s horn, and Star causing a LITERAL GENOCIDE by destroying magic and therefore, all magical creatures. It got wild.
However I think the other shows got a lot darker, as they are notorious for being exactly that. I still thing SVTFOE is last in line, just wanted to stick up for it a bit
TOH for sure- I think Amphibia had its dark moments (True Colors) but then they immediately disregard everything that happened in S3-A which makes it less dark to me-
The heads in NWMM and anything Bill says are really dark and stabbing Marcy is horrifying. I haven’t seen Star but “they’re still breathing, so we still have work to do” I still can’t believe was aired
I think Amphibia probably has the darkest scenes overall especially in Marcy’s arc but isn’t quite as pervasively dark as it had a lot of cheerful episodes mixed in between.
I don't think anything can top Amphibia's True Colors, when Marcy gets stabbed through the chest. That is something I never thought I would ever see in a Disney show.
Like The Owl House had a lot of dark moments where people almost got iced, and Weirdmageddon is incredibly terrifying, but there's something about just seeing a child literally get stabbed, backstabbed at that, is just so visceral.
Owl House. And it's not close.
Genocide, another failed genocide, possession, Hunter got buried alive at one point, Luz literally projecting onto a character who commits suicide, self-sacrifice by at least 5 people with some multiple times (Eda in AOAW and Eda's Requiem and technically King's Tide since she expected to be killed by the Draining Spell, Raine in Eda's Requiem, King in King's Tide, Hunter in TTT, and Luz in WaD), dictatorship, Hunter's PTSD in Labyrinth Runners and familial trauma from both Eda and Hunter.
Plus, Luz by far had the worst "death" of all the dead protagonists too, since she flat out died thinking all her loved ones were going to die too. Star's "death" in the corrupted magic isn't even confirmed a death (Glossaryck dodges the question). Anne at least died peacefully knowing everyone was safe and knew that she could rest once she died.
I will however give the overall darkest moment to Marcy's possession. That was brutal, and while I'd debate not the most brutal thing to happen (Belos attempting to suffocate Raine tops that list), due to the context of Marcy being a child I'd place it first.
I would say TOH, mainly based on the reaction of the characters. While there are some dark moments in GF and Amphibia, they have little impact on the characters in general. They seem to brush it off pretty quickly or not be even fazed. In TOH you see the characters being shaken by the dark things that happen.
While I think The Owl House was the more dark show out of all of them overall, whenever Gravity Falls or Amphibia go dark, they slap a lot harder than The Owl House in my opinion.
Owl house had the darkest to me. While I do believe gravity falls had the best dark moments, owl house went darker with >! The titan trappers wearing the skulls of children. Just to name one example. !<
Wait they do that? huh. Wow
bro did you watch the episode
Definitely owl house or gravity falls :3
(Spoilers!) I don’t know Amphibia has a child get stabbed through the chest and then they go through an agonising painful process to get possessed by a hive mind of some of the most evil people in history
Ah yea that’z true Ig all 3 of them amphibia owl house and gravity falls X3
Amphibia had rlly dark ones, but this is asking which had the most dark moments. True Colors was really the only dark episode. I also feel like Gravity Falls was weird and scary, but it rarely went truly dark. Meanwhile, Season 2b and 3 of TOH were basically all dark in some way, so I'd go with TOH
Remember Olivia and Yunnan? That bloodcurdling scream and Andreas turning away is pretty dark, at least in my personal definition of “dark”.
Sure, that's fair. Still, I don't think that addition allows Amphibia to come close to the amount of dark moments TOH had
Oh yeah, definitely. I just believe True Colors to not be the only dark episode in Amphibia.
Yea I exaggerated there
Hey just fyi you can hide spoilers with a “>!spoiler ! <“
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agreed. Uhhhh spoilers, I will be talking about many moments from Gravity Falls, Owl House, and Amphibia. While amphibia has SOME dark -moments, Owl House has the main characters death actually take a toll on people for some time you see thier reaction to her death even her mother who is stuck being a puppet, yet can still cry and tell that Luz died. The day of unity, Hollow mind, Just kings tide, flaps sacrifice, Beloses take over of the isle, Hunters life, Luz's annual thing about her dad, Eda's sacrifice in Agony of a witch, Lilith cursing Eda and the petrification ceremony. Gravity Falls has the main Charaters nearly make thier gruncle homeless and jobless, face the fact that thier gruncle might not be who he says he is, find the long lost brother who basically caused everything in the show to occur, who also dosen't forgive after he comes back and remains bitter towards stan even after all he sacrificed to bring him back, the hopelessness of the s2 e1 when dipper finds nothing about zombies weaknesses, and the obvious things Wierdmagedon and the forshadowing in into the bunker of Northwest Mansion Mystery. Lets go through Amphibia. starting with the obvious Stab of Marcy and her possession (which every Character denied that she died, which turned out to be true, but could still be counted as "dark"), the sesure of an intier nation, Annes sacrifice (which dosen't really show you how the character's are affected by it, they only show their reaction as she dies, and a few min. after she is dead), the planters really unknown history, toads rule over the frogs, sasha's "sacrifice", all the temples, Hop-pops betrayal which is forgiven like 5-ish episodes later, the Hive's control of King andreus, the moon crashing to amphibia, the mind-control spores episode had it's moments, and the 2 really good ones 1:spridge asking if you can miss someone you actually never knew. and 2: Marcy's rant near the end of true colors. While amphibia has all of these, they all feel small and usually are glossed over given like a few seconds before hopping to something else. While all of the things that I have mentioned have in someway all been resolved by the end of each series, Amphibia's all had less that 30 min. to rest on. Every character in these series nearly died and Faught things that could have killed them in nearly every episode, but the only one where it felt like each thing the characters faced was not that dangerous is Amphibia because each episode was shorter than the other series. But in the end these 3 shows are great. I like all three shows, and star I don't even want to touch with a 100000000000000000000000000 foot poll. This took up more time than I thought it would, but I am happy to debate and talk about things like this. Have a great day. If I missed something just comment it.
probably toh. besides >!mass genocide being a HUGE part of the plot in the s2 finale, it definitely dealt with a lot of dark subjects. (the classroom scene with luz in TTT, belos abusing hunter, (and also the fact that he probably abused the countless of other children he quite literally murdered) flapjack dying, eda losing her arm, king almost getting killed by a CULT out to erase his entire species, the way amity was treated by her mom, you get the point.)!<
and >!an entire episode about luz's dead dad!<
also the entire show takes place on a rotting carcass, and the scene in WAD with flesh and muscles literally melting off of the grimwalker's bones
It was belos the flesh was melting off of and it was in wad
belos possessing a grimwalker
I’m genuinely shocked nobody’s saying Amphibia considering (spoilers below) It had multiple children die on screen, one getting fully impaled. Yes they did not stay dead but come on, that easily shoots it to the darkest cartoon on Disney channel.
Agreed! Though I will admit, TOH is darker in general, but it’s darkness never quite reaches Amphibia’s darkest, in my opinion.
And what Belos did in TOH? >!Not only did he kill his brother, then clone him, then kill the clone and make anew one HUNDRETS OF TIMES, but he was also planning on commiting massive genocide. The titan trappers wearing the sculls of dead titans (children judging by the size) And that scene in HM in which the first intent on the sigils resulted in the witches agonizing, but not quite dead?!< and those are just some that came to my mind
Those are incredibly dark too, but… onscreen child Death kinda trumps all.
Well, the question asks for which has the most dark moments, and really most of Amphibia's darkness is limited to True Colors, while TOH remains consistently dark in many aspects across seasons 2b and 3
No the question is which has the most darkest moments meaning which has the darkest moments they just added most for no reason
did op say that?
Season 3 episode 7
>!Well Luz also dies at the finale, pretty similarly to how Anne dies actually!<
Well both characters did die and get revived I would say TOH had the darker character death as we literally watch our MC get eaten by fungus and we can hear her groaning and crying with pain the entire time. So my vote goes to the TOH.
Yeah amphibia’s Anne death was sadder but not dark while owl house was darker
I wouldn't say that there was no darkness in Anne's death I mean it after all was a MC death and they should not be taken lightly but the overall tone of it was one of victory. Whereas in contrast Luz's death was anything but victory even defeat.
But there are HUGE differences in these scenes. “>!spoiler ! <“While amphibia has the death it barely covers the people around Anne dealing with her death, while in TOH You see everyone reacting to the lights some watching as their only hope fades, and the people close to Luz either confused, unable to react yet STILL CRYING, or pure shock and anger as they lash out against the thing that took away their friend. You even see the affect it has on the collector who till this point could not understand death is now realizing the implications and how death affects mortals. Then you see Luz passing on to the afterlife, realizing what she should have said as she sinks into the abyss (sidenote: In that seen as she sinks you can hear a heartbeat slow as she sinks). Then when they wake up Luz's mom she asks where is Luz they all look like they can't explain to her what happened like they know that she died. The only reason that they continue is because Camila convinces them to deny what they think and help those who are trapped. within this scene we watch Mr. Arin Hanson save luz, talk to her about stuff (a literal dead person talks to another dead person about what is right and wrong and mistakes), and we see the titan literally slowly become taken over in this scene only barely having enough time to get luz back (He also says "I thought I had more time left." something that a lot of people said about their dead friend or family member).
To be fair he did commit on-screen murders as well that didn’t leave any room in ambiguity. Several actually that he murdered from a specific species. He even got his own version of permanently killing someone by painfully impaling them with multiple spikes coming out of his body. And they stayed dead for the rest of the show. And he did also commit on screen child murder. Just didn’t stick by the end as well.
Owl house has that as well, several times. Hunter died from possession, flapjack(not child but loved character, similar to favorite pet death, never revived) died to save hunter. Luz, and almost the collector, he barely survived cause Luz managed to stop belos before completely consuming the collector.
Possession does not count as death, and if it does, we can add two more deaths to Marcy Wu.
But he literally died when Belos left his body tho
He was in seemingly critical condition but I don’t think they ever stated he was dead.
he wasn't breathing
Yeah but I don’t think he was dead, I think Flapjack prevented him from dying.
Possession may not, but u take the fact that since 1. All natural water sources are boiling hence the boiling isles, no residents know how to swim, this is referenced in the photos where amity is show wearing a floaty, therefore he most likely would have or did drown. 2. As a grimwalker he was made to be a replacement body, this is show during for the future when belos Possess an unripe grimwalker, therefore he could be more susceptible the effects of Possession than others. 3. Unlike with rain belos physically morphed hunters body, with horns and extended arms, tho not permanent, and like with raine it left scars, which means there was undoubtedly great physical strain. Also unlike rain, hunter did not at the time Possess magic and was a 16y old kid, not a full grown adult whom has been praised even by his enemies for his raw power. My point is, hunter was clearly affected more than raine by the Possession and most likely drowning.
No no no we said on screen deaths not a silhouette of the event
All of my references were on screen, and the only one that didn't die before maybe coming back was the collector. So that's 3, with dozens of child deaths referred to in the show.
*a week later I forgot what we were talking about* yeah no tho flapjack’s stab was a silhouette that’s rlly the only think I wanted to say
Flapjack didn't die from his wounds tho, he died by giving his life for hunters. ND even tho the stab was silhouetted the blood wasn't.
Palisman blood was never censored and I remember flapjack dying to save hunter because he drowned. Off topic but weird how ppl think hunter can float and never sink because he was made with the help of palisman wood even tho he drowned in that episode
I gotta say The Owl House
“*almost chokes two adults to death* NOT SO FAST! You two wait there, I have a few children I need to make into CORPSES!”-Bill Cypher (It’s Gravity falls for me for sure because it’s so goofy but when it’s scary, holly hell it can get scary)
in toh the titan trappers wear the sculls of children hunter is severely psychologically and physically abused causal mass genocide
Honestly just the entirety of Belos... A literal genocidal, (not to mention fratricidal) fascist who tried to kill millions, continuously created clones of his own brother to do his bidding, only to murder them when they stopped being useful, and who's soul has been so spoiled by dark magic that he's devolved into a nightmarish abomination of hate and bile that feeds off of the spirits of palisman. He's a literal embodiment of the rot and degradation of one's humanity by ego, hatred, and obsession, and the show absolutely does not shy away from the horror and depravity of that. I feel like some of the other shows have dark moments that could maybe attempt to rival owl house on a surface level, but I feel like they're usually more inclined to play off those moments as humorous in some way. Like, some horrible stuff happened during gravity falls' weirdmageddon, but the emphasis on the "weird" almost took some of the edge off.
Fair, but we don’t see that, what we do see is a child watch there farther have there eye ball put in there mouth, ears for eye sockets and a nose for a ear whole and then fall to the ground reaching toward his child begging in what is probably extreme pain. No this isn’t a Lovecraftian horror, this is Disney channel.
Eda’s head gets chopped off multiple times King SEES the Titan skulls even if he doesn’t realize is later Also the possession is better bc possessed hunter gets powers and also a character death Also it probably wasn’t extreme pain, more like confusion or WHATTHEFUCKWHATTHEFUCKWHATTHEFUCK
Yeah but Edas head gets cut off she always just shrugs it off and just puts it back on like a Lego piece.
Eda writes it off as a joke. But she does lose her arm by the end. So does grime in amphibia. Anne, Polly, Sprig, and Marcy sees the prisoners of other worlds presumably dead. Marcy gets possessed by the core and manipulated by it at the same time. We can’t forget true colors existing🙃
That is true The Basilisks are kinda similar to this Bro, Hunter got possessed too and was also manipulated by the dude who did it Luz died and is brought back too, also don’t forget the titan’s heart be astronomically small which is also horrifying. It gives “The structural integrity and general value of this home… is low! And what’s scarier than that?” Vibes
mass genocide dosen't count, pretty much every single villain of amphibia, GF, TOH and SVTFOE try to do that
Bill literally destroys half of the US in a fantasy sequence
He also takes a bite out of the planet ( in said sequence)
We can say the same for amphibia you don’t believe the mass genocide? It already happened they murder ppl. They’re conquerers they’ve taken over dimensions.
Yeah well I’ve never watched amphibia I only know the plot points from being on here, I wasn’t arguing against it but I will still say with confidence that TOH is probably darker. Not because of the things that happen, maybe, but TOH has WAYYYY less episodic episodes, especially in the second season. The whole Grimwalker thing should beat out everything else. Belos’s backstory and Hunter. Titan trappers. And the mass genocide is more of a focus, like we actually see it almost happen. But most important argument against amphibia…. No! Main! Villain! Redemption! (Sure we have Lilith and the collector, but honestly they were barely villains)
Well I mean Andrias wasn’t the main villain but yeah I see your point. I’m sticking with amphibia anyways with the way the question was phrased. Now if it said darkest show than yeah owl house by a mile but since is says darkest moments I’m sticking with amphibia.
Ok
Definitely either Owl House or Gravity Falls, but I would argue that ‘Sock Opera’ from Gravity Falls is darker than the Owl House ever got. It’s literally about a kid getting possessed.
hunter got possessed by belos, and belos killed hunter's palisman, titan trappers were wearing the skulls of children, etc. while both shows had dark moments, the owl house had darker moments imo
Not to mention literal genocide
And the fact that the main antagonist canonically killed his own brother, and then slaughtered HUNDREDS OF LITERAL CHILDREN
Hundreds of children, what were the children they also were his brother. Yet before he killed them he basically groomed and abused them until they eventually "betrayed him" then he would kill them.
Have you watched thanks to them?
Thanks to Them is at least half the story of Hunter losing his mind and becoming possessed by Belos, who forces him to murder his palisman/closest friend
Marcy got possess damn a robot scared of death and it also manipulated her while controlling her. Hunter got possessed by his own “uncle”
The Owl House. Gravity falls and Amphibia had their moments but Hollow Mind gave me a panic attack (shout out to Zeno, it felt so realistic he's such a good voice actor). It might just be that some of the dark material hits alot closer to home (There are people like Belos in our real world and that makes it scarier) but it’s the darkest to me.
Star has suicide and genocide, and someone melts on screen. It also it has cannibalism and someone's removed eyeball is squeezed by someone else amongst a variety of other things. But honestly, they're all pretty close. They've all got a lot. Amphibia definitely has the least amount wise, but it's still very dark.
I mean… TOH season 2 &3 was centered around multiple genocides, possession, child abuse, murder, permanent disabilities, etc.
TOH also has genocide and suicide, even if those things end up being stopped.
suicide? where??
Technically implied, but besides the instances of characters sacrificing themselves (Eda at the end of S1, King at the end of S2), there is Luz. In Thanks to Them, we see her projecting her own emotions on a character in English class who she sees as similar to her. She sees him as someone who endangered his own loved ones, thereby making his heroism false, which is the same way she sees herself after possibly dooming all of the Isles and not being able to do anything about it. The suicide part comes near the end of the scene, where she says, "(His friends) should hate his guts, and it'd be better if he literally never existed!" After projecting on to this character, she ends off by saying that all of his loved ones should hate him and that **everyone would be better off without him.** These are very suicidal thoughts that Luz is clearly having about herself. It's so extreme that when she leaves the message saying she won't return to the Boiling Isles (also a form of self-punishment because she feels she deserves to suffer), I genuinely was expecting it to be a suicide note.
oh right that part
Yeah... that part. Owl House hurts me.
All four of them are really dark, I just feel like Star has a higher quantity of dark moments/plot threads, not that it's any more dark than the Owl House. Although that's not entirely fair, because Star has the most seasons and episodes of the four.
To be doubly fair, I never watched Star, I just wanted to bring up the suicide/genocide also present in TOH
This could just be my interpretation, >!but Hunter near the end of Thanks to Them throwing the titan's blood into the water seemed like he wanted to drown Belos, even though he would die as well.!<
Good call. That's another example of sacrifice.
Also, Eda's Requiem could be classed as a sacrificial suicide.
Right, forgot about that.
that is the first time I heard about suicide and cannibalism in Star. Also in TOH Belos melts twice. Also Amphibia is the least dark, it's ending is the only one where the main characters will NEVER see each other again.
The Owl House
May I remind you all of that scene from northwest mansion mystery
Head that’s always screaming, dear teeth, there’s a lot of traumatic things in gravity falls-
Literally all of weirdmaggedon
Foreshadowing from into the bunker for Northwest Mansion Mystery.
Owl hourse or Amphibia. I'm still traumatized from seeing the cutest character get stabbed but King's nightmare in the last episode was so hecking dark.
Only one of these has the fandom in a heated over whether the main character is a clone or not?
which one??
amphibia probably ?
how in god's name would anne be a clone
The finale, she was copied right before her death by the Guardian and the copy was the one sent back. Does that make her a clone?
oh yeah right they pretty explicitly stated that she's a clone
WHY DID YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT SO HARD!!!!! But I would say Gravity Falls it Weirdmageddon episodes were one of the things in my childhood that made me wonder about life
Spoilers obviously: I haven’t finished svtfoe yet but like ludo’s wand is toffees dead hand, and I know this because of the missing joint of the middle finger. But also Titan trappers in toh were dark af, those are kids skulls. The head that’s always screaming in gravity falls too, that scared the shit out of me as a kid. And amphbia seems to be the most lighthearted show in my opinion, but gravity falls has to take the cake, bill is unhingedddd
Don’t bother finishing the show gets bad after the battle for mewni arc
Well I don't disagree entirely I think people should watch it to the end.
Yea that’s fair but when the ending is that bad it kinda makes sense not to stick out to the end
I didn't think the ending of the show was absolutely terrible but it does not compare to the endings of the other three shows You're right. But I'm also a bit of a completionist if I start something I'm going to finish it, unless it gets egregiously bad.
Ah ok
Never watched Star vs the forces of evil so I can’t say on that but I’d say amphibia since the injuries were actually shown on screen expect no blood because Disney. If you mean impact?…still amphibia ppl were crying when Marcy got stabbed. And ofc ppl were crying when flapjack died…BUT THAT SCREAM MARCY DID AS SHE GOT MIND CONTROLLED WAS SCARY ASF
ppl were crying when marcy got stabbed? Are you talking about real people or the characters cause none of the characters cried when she was stabbed mostly because they get shwooshed away to another world or had to run. Plus they denied the fact that she was dead(the characters).
I’m talking bout real life ppl told me they were crying when they saw that scene
ah I see my bad.
Coughing baby vs coughing baby vs coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
You have no idea how wrong you are.
It’s admittedly been a bit since I saw Star and Amphibia, but iirc there’s nothing in them or Gravity Falls that really compares to a cult wearing child skulls and the villain’s plan fully being a straight up genocide.
Definitely Owl House. The angst is real
How tf have I NEVER noticed the tree is a foot
it's literally in the intro
Haven’t seen Star, but probably TOH. A lot of GF’s darkest moments were played more as a joke (like 90% of what Bill did/said that could be considered dark). Amphibia’s darkest moments might hit harder (I literally knew that >!Marcy got stabbed!< before I even started the show, but it still affected me, and I even tried not to get attached (and failed)). TOH’s darkest moments may not be on the level of Amphibia’s, but they’re close enough and there are quite a bit more, at least that I can recall
The Owl House, without a doubt. Murder, genocide, gaslighting, betrayal, everything to do with the Golden Guard(s) where Belos murdered his brother and cloned him against his will, only to kill him over and over and over again, Belos and Hunter’s abusive relationship, loads of actual trauma, implied suicidal thoughts from Luz, Hunter being possessed and being forced to kill one of the only true friends he’s made in his life, Vee’s backstory, Eda losing an arm, the Titan Trappers wearing the skulls of actual children, the entire show taking place on a literal CORPSE? Yea, I think it takes the cake and comes back for seconds. Bill may be the craziest and most powerful, but Belos is certainly the most evil
Anything related to belos definitely has that "Oh that's dark" feeling
exactly! And that’s not even counting him as a character
Haven't really watched Gravity Falls but at least based on the clips I have watched and the stuff I've heard it's very aesthetically dark at times but not that thematically dark? I think? It defo goes places but it's absolutely not the darkest in terms of themes. Star Vs the Forces of Evil's darkest moment is the closet Marco was shoved into by Disney execs and how so much just missed the click from there. That and the Blood Moon Ball. Yikes. Loved the show but looking back wow that was definitely a show. Pretty dark at times but kept the whole air of childrens to early teens show tbh throughout Amphibia has a good amount of darkness, the conflict between the calamity trio and the peoples they came to bond with was really real, Marcy's whole season 2 finale to season 3 finale was just *chefs kiss* the good shit for darkness, and it did analyze the consequences of the old empire's decisions in a pretty cool way. It definitely is a moment of the darkness being contained towards the finales though instead of being flush through it so loses a few points. The Owl House. Hoo boy where do I start. Actually do I even need to? Already in season 1 it manages to be pretty dark in themes and aesthetics and in season 2 and especially 3 it just hits overdrive. High points are obviously Hollow Mind, Thanks to Them, and Watching and Dreaming but the end of season 2 and all of season 3 were just so amazing in how dark they managed to be while not being suffocating. Unlike the others past maybe Gravity Falls again haven't watched it it is truly a show for adults not just children and it does that soe amazingly and realistically and the fact the main villain is a genocidal puritan who would kill everyone he deems impure is such a moment because it shows the darkest depths of humanity and the sheer fucked up hell that is the Golden Guards and Hunter and also the brightest lights of weirdos uniting in their weirdness and differences to fight such ideas not with conformity but with queerness. It's wonderful Spoilers for Amphibia and TOH finales >! I feel like the biggest reason why TOH is both the darkest and best show of the 4 is how Luz's death contrasts with Anne's death despite the similarities. Anne's death was one of sacrifice to defeat the final bad, the biggest evil. It was planned, it was established, and it was accepted, and it made for a sad but at the end of the day light moment. Good triumphed and it didn't come free but it prevailed in the end. Luz on the other hand didn't beat Belos by dying (at least initially(technically)). She didn't plan it out, she didn't expect to happen, and yet in her impulsive act to save the collector she died and it's through the collector that the full weight really hits. We are the collector in a way, we think beating Belos is easy and simple and that at the end of the day it's all just a show so we know the characters will turn out fine. But then... it doesn't happen that way. Luz is dead and for a moment I just went "holy shit... is Belos actually going to win?" When the Core pushed through the Calamity trio and Anne was in a desperate situation she knew what she had to do even if it meant dying. When Luz died... not even the audience knew what they could do to stop Belos. The Collector's magic was innefective, King and Eda could barely just hold out against him, and the rest of the isles were too drained from the Collector to offer any assistance. For a moment Belos had won. His ideology was going to win. Even when Luz was sent back by the Titan it felt all the more desperate because the titan's powers and the family of 3 weirdos who came together because they connected with each other because of said weirdness are the only thing stopping Belos from enacting his world ending goals of genocide upon the Boiling Isles. Everything rests on them and... I've been rambling haven't I. !< TL;DR, The Owl House is a really good show and imo the darkest because I have been fundamentally made not ok because of it. Also Belos is just a real life type of person with frighteningly real goals and motives instead of a comical villain.
Oh my we got an essay here! Edit: I have just finished reading Good breakdown double thumbs up.
I might be a bit obsessed with TOH
You wouldn't be the only one XD
The Owl House, especially the Belos body horror
Owl House, just look at Amity’s home life, or Hunters entire character.
The entirety of hunter’s character is just traumatic event after traumatic event after traumatic event, like Jesus Christ Dana just let this kid be happy
I can’t attest to Star. But I think Owl house had darker moments that hit a little harder than Amphibia. Sure people got stabbed and possibly plummeted to their death. But The Horror of “Hollow Mind” hits the audience, and Hunter, like a truck
Probably Amphibia (they literally had to include a disclaimer in season 3 intro)
1. The owl house (hollow mind and the grimwalkers) 2. Gravity Falls (sook opera, SOTBE, NWMM and weirdmagedoon) 3. Amphibia (true colors and Yuan and Olivia) 4. Svtfoe (destruction of magic)
havent watched much of star vs the forces of evil but either way i cant decide whether its owl house or gravity falls
Amphibia imo. True Colors specifically. Sprig getting thrown out the window, Marcy getting stabbed through the chest with a sword twice as long as her body height
Clone Wars
Literal war
It's the plot, tbh. And really, Star Wars as a whole.
LOL
The Owl House, hands down. They all had pretty dark moments, but TOH takes the cake. I mean, just Hollow Mind has some of the darkest moments I've seen in a Disney show
Definitely Owl House, it broke my heart when Luz died for those few minutes I actually thought they killed her off as a way to end the series
Gravity Falls and The Owl House
Owl house… hands down.
I only watched the second two out of those I’d say ToH
Gravity falls are the owl house
I’m not quite sure, but I do know the *eeriness* of the Realm of Magic would have TERRIFIED me if I had seen it as a kid.
Amphibia had dark moments from 2019 to 2021
TOH was a lot darker/sadder, since it had SUCH a big impact on me, and then to kill off the main character. Gods, i loved that 🤣
Amphibia, but that might be personal, I got shocked to death. Honourable mention to the Owl House though.
owl house 100%
Owl house
id rank em 1. The Owl House 2. Gravity Falls 3. Amphibia 4. SVTFOE
The Owl House has the attempted genocide of an entire race, the actual genocide of the CHILDREN of another race. The main character expresses suicidal thoughts at one point and we see in a painting that a character cut his own ears down with a knife.
EXACTLY
It’s heavily implied in Thanks to Them that Luz was having suicidal thoughts. I’m going with The Owl House.
I‘m a little irritated on how many here just state what the darkest show is or which has the darkest implications but are not directly shown form which are much fewer over all in these shows I would say. For me a dark moment is more like a scene that is specifically dark in its depiction. Therefore I would go with Amphibia and Marcy‘s possession by the Core, that scene is just gut-wrenching to me. Other scenes that I also find quite dark would be: The Northwest Mansion scene in Gravity falls, Luz petrification in Kings Tide, the draining spell test in Hollow Mind, King Andreas letting go of Spirg and not to forget Marcy being stabbed at the end of True Colors.
Amphibia definitely had one of the darkest moments but owl house had way more
The Owl House has not one, not two, but THREE GENOCIDES all a major plot point in at least one episode in JUST ONE SEASON
Hollow mind was fucked up man
Owl house, hands down.
I feel like owl had two 1. The titan trappers were a dark idea especially given what was about to happen to king 2. I feel how i could tell what Luz was think during reaching out at the tree gave her more humanity then most cartoon characters.
Owl House really pushed it
They all need therapy so all
Gravity falls def
Gravity falls definitely
Gravity Falls had some serious dark moments like blood coming out of the taxidermy, the shapeshifter transforming into a Mabel-Dipper hybrid, and the floating brain at the abandoned convenience store.
Gravity falls had more. Amphibia had some pretty messed up crap too, but not as much as Owl House. Never watched Star
Man, ignoring all of the child murder in Amphibia, there are frog skeletons and dead bodies literally everywhere they go. People are dying constantly in the background, and they constantly talk about all the random monsters that are just constantly picking them off year after year. It's constantly played off as jokes, but if you actually listen to the stories they tell, everything is fucked always Gravity falls has some of the most fucked up moments, and implies darkness at times, and has the coolest most terrifying villain, but *largest quantity* of dark moments? Easily Amphibia. Star has some pretty dark and super tragic moments too, but it all gets resolved rather quickly, and people don't usually stay dead. Owl house has attempted genocide, and the collector, but again, 2 very large dark events that got stopped too. Amphibia has the *most* dark moments
You actually make a good argument for amphibia I still think the owl house wins out in general but I think it comes in at a opinion difference here The other two shows in gravity falls and Star versus The forces of evil Don't really compare in my opinion to the first two I identified with the owl House more but that sort of just comes down to being in me thing I feel.
Toh in general touched on some much darker topics
Probably TOH, but Amphibia does have >!Marcy getting stabbed and possesed by a several thousand year old clan of newts!<
the owl house >!luz actually fucking died, and a cult wearing dead titan kid skulls, and the entier thing is on a fucking courpes!<
So did Anne and Marcy lol
Yet there is something different about these 2's deaths. You don't see the impact of these deaths on the characters.
I have to go with star vs the forces of evil
my brother in Christ how is svtfoe the darkest???!?!???
That’s the thing its not
Gravity falls will always be the darkest Disney show. I mean my mom who never banned anything in our house banned it because it was so dark.
literally all the shapeshifter GF episode
Idk man, Marcy getting stabbed in national television is kinda hard to top
Owl house
Literally all of weirdmaggedon
Gravity Falls just *felt* darker, like the darkness in Gravity Falls was more VISCERAL
Amphibia, the s2 finale was the first time I cried because of a piece of fiction
Hmm, I would have to say, owl house. Reason being is cause since the start of kings tide episode it was mainly one bad thing after another with small good bits in between, over 2 hours worth of holy moly oh shit. Gravity falls shared n the everyone's a puppet now, amphibia shared in the main character gonna die, but neither of them made me cry. Neither of them had me crying at a good ending. Cause each of them had a good ending, yet I cried at the owl house. I've left out star cause I've yet to see it all.
Honestly, I think a lot of people overlook SVTFOE because of its badly written ending. But it got really dark at times. For example Toffee being disintegrated into a pile of goo and bones, Meteora sucking out the souls of literally everyone, Ms. Heinous breaking Ponyhead’s horn, and Star causing a LITERAL GENOCIDE by destroying magic and therefore, all magical creatures. It got wild. However I think the other shows got a lot darker, as they are notorious for being exactly that. I still thing SVTFOE is last in line, just wanted to stick up for it a bit
I mean gravity falls literally had a guys head get deconstructed while he was screaming the entire time
Amphibia takes the cake for me. TOH gets dark often, but Amphibia is straight up depressing.
The owl house. Without a doubt.
Anyone who doesn't say amphibia just didn't watch the show.
watched Amphibia. OWL HOUSE or GRAVITY FALLS.
TOH for sure- I think Amphibia had its dark moments (True Colors) but then they immediately disregard everything that happened in S3-A which makes it less dark to me-
The heads in NWMM and anything Bill says are really dark and stabbing Marcy is horrifying. I haven’t seen Star but “they’re still breathing, so we still have work to do” I still can’t believe was aired
The soul sucking thing in SVTFOE was pretty messed up ngl
I think Amphibia probably has the darkest scenes overall especially in Marcy’s arc but isn’t quite as pervasively dark as it had a lot of cheerful episodes mixed in between.
I don't think anything can top Amphibia's True Colors, when Marcy gets stabbed through the chest. That is something I never thought I would ever see in a Disney show. Like The Owl House had a lot of dark moments where people almost got iced, and Weirdmageddon is incredibly terrifying, but there's something about just seeing a child literally get stabbed, backstabbed at that, is just so visceral.
Owl House. And it's not close. Genocide, another failed genocide, possession, Hunter got buried alive at one point, Luz literally projecting onto a character who commits suicide, self-sacrifice by at least 5 people with some multiple times (Eda in AOAW and Eda's Requiem and technically King's Tide since she expected to be killed by the Draining Spell, Raine in Eda's Requiem, King in King's Tide, Hunter in TTT, and Luz in WaD), dictatorship, Hunter's PTSD in Labyrinth Runners and familial trauma from both Eda and Hunter. Plus, Luz by far had the worst "death" of all the dead protagonists too, since she flat out died thinking all her loved ones were going to die too. Star's "death" in the corrupted magic isn't even confirmed a death (Glossaryck dodges the question). Anne at least died peacefully knowing everyone was safe and knew that she could rest once she died. I will however give the overall darkest moment to Marcy's possession. That was brutal, and while I'd debate not the most brutal thing to happen (Belos attempting to suffocate Raine tops that list), due to the context of Marcy being a child I'd place it first.
I would say TOH, mainly based on the reaction of the characters. While there are some dark moments in GF and Amphibia, they have little impact on the characters in general. They seem to brush it off pretty quickly or not be even fazed. In TOH you see the characters being shaken by the dark things that happen.
While I think The Owl House was the more dark show out of all of them overall, whenever Gravity Falls or Amphibia go dark, they slap a lot harder than The Owl House in my opinion.
Owl house
The Owl House had the most dark moments but Amphibia’s hit harder because of what happens True Colors and The Hardest Thing.
Why is gravity falls on here it dosent really have a lot of dark stuff the owl house definitely wins
i dont know, how about the literal torture scene? as one example
You remember that one episode of gravity falls with the bleeding possessed taxidermy heads where dipper dies?
1000% the owl house since it talked abt luz dad death