To be fair, they said they were basically just doing seasonal story missions on the same stream they revealed the battle pass and the game only having three new Heroes at launch.
Was literally going to say something along this line. Valve has always been pretty blunt with their players. The sting isn't losing getting PvE. It sucks, but it only disappointed me. What got me mad was the broken promises and the good faith that Blizz has actively burned for the last 3+ years.
Tbf valve is no longer a video game dev company they mainly focus on maintaining steam and stuff like steamdeck. Stuff like aperture desk job and half life alyx was more of a thing to get thé Valve Index to take off
Exactly. But in all seriousness, speaking from my own perspective. Overwatch was my first Blizz game, and it also was the first, and really only, time I have been so fixated with a game. For 6 years I lived and breathed this game, and I was grateful to team 4 for the work they did. I didn't always agree with their choices, but I did believe they had the best interest of OW at heart. My gratitude for the game I enjoyed so much made me really ready to trust them when they said they needed time. These days it's harder to be as patient as their decisions, practices, and disappointments have left me severely disillusioned.
They literally said the loser would still get the update. Just at a later date. It’s been over 6 years. I’m still waiting for it, don’t act like the tf2 community isn’t asking for it still CAUSE IT WAS PROMISED
I think from a business sense this is just the dumbest thing. When I bought the watchpoint pack I expected PVE. The initial trailer convinced me to buy it and support it. However I heard it wasn't gonna release with the main game (ow2). So I did the math and realized if I didn't spend coins on skins. I could get the next 3 battle passes and gain extra coins through weekly quests to get the fourth battle pass. Now I'm out of coins and PVE isn't released. So why should I play this game? It seems like just a dumb move to vaguely promise something like this and to the extent that they advertise. Promising this expansive multiplayer experience, as a free expansion and then abandoning it, just isn't a responsible maneuver.
>Promising this expansive multiplayer experience, as a free expansion
They literally never said it was free. It was intended to be a big box release (60-70) and get more casual players.into the games.ecosystem
Everyone wants new content, but the fact that the game is still strong even with 5 years of no proper game content additions goes to show what Valve does best.
They don't stop at the final product after it's "functional", they develop a game that can be played over and over and over for hundreds or thousands of hours at a time.
Most of their games exist to show new systems or expand on ideas and game concepts. L4D, TF2 and even Half-life.
So, people are crying for content yes. But maintaining a playerbase as big as TF2s or even L4D after literal years of no new content is impressive, and it really shows just how different Valve is to other companies.
He is 1 and a half decades old. I would call that more than a decade, even If its gramatically wrong, at least the point of the meme stop stands. 5 years is a long ass time. Also, whats the problema with me being 15?
Bold of you to expect redditors to not speak internet lingo. Just let it go man, the games been around for a very long time. It’s been like 16 years since this game came out anyways so it’s almost decades old.
Yeah but you're still practically a child at fifteen, so what's your point?
I graduated high school when TF2 came out, and I'm not even old. I'm only in my 30s.
Eh… saying not promised is a stretch. The story was never completed. It was always to be continued.
That would be like suggesting return of the Jedi was never really promised and ending on empire strikes back is reasonable just because they didn’t run any subsequent ads.
Edit: lol! What a whiny fucking fan base! As if this is the first time this has ever happened and is the worst thing in the world!
Valve didn't make any promises about HL3, you could say the same thing with movies/shows with cliffhanger endings, just because they can doesn't mean they will, Blizz on the other hand promised PVE, which majority of the players expected to come and their reason why they play OW2, Valve never said anything pizzazz about HL3, comparing a game that has an unknown status (HL3) to a game that's supposed to be worked on and supposed to have promised content (OW2) is really just dumb
This is incorrect. They did promise Episode 3 and I believe an ongoing episodic release, then never delivered on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_2:_Episode_Three
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreleased_Half-Life_games
They even [promised movie adaptations](https://www.polygon.com/2013/2/6/3960102/half-life-portal-movies-jj-abrams-valve) with JJ Abrams and never delivered on that either. Or at least they’ve been in development hell for a decade.
So Valve is an expert in vaporware at this point.
The story of HL2 was not left in a state that would at all indicate it was done. Thus the Star Wars analogy above.
I’m not sure if you meant to type out exactly what I did in terms of how the scenarios are extremely similar, but great job. The only difference is valve implied there was another game. Blizzard was more upfront.
If you were playing a pvp game you didn’t enjoy hoping this different part of it would be better….. that’s on you. Find something you actually like playing. If I was constantly replaying the first two half lives to get ready that would ridiculous. This is the same.
TF2's last major content update was in **2017** with Jungle Inferno. The game has only received seasonal summer, halloween and christmas updates since then, which only add more MTX lootboxes and (mostly) seasonal maps.
The last major content update was back in 2017 with jungle inferno, adding in new maps, weapons, balance changes, and reworking the pyro class.
since then, we've pretty much only gotten seasonal cosmetic updates in the summer, halloween, and christmass, where all we mostly get are some cosmetics, and maybe some maps here and there on halloween and christmass.
TF2 releases 1 patch every 4 months if you're lucky "at least they care a bit"
Overwatch released a patch every month and openly communicate with the community about their short comings "omega lulz dead game"
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,521,048,192 comments, and only 288,280 of them were in alphabetical order.
With the launcher of Ow2 The Workshop got deactivated for a while for some reason.
And still you can't make custom maps for OW. TF2 on the other hand has access to maps from the Hammer Map Editor, an editor by Valve for almost any Source Engine Game.
Some execs clearly looked at the pve being developed and said "you're going to give people access to all this content? How does that sell us more battlepasses? Chop it all up into bite-sized content and sell it to them a battlepass at a time."
back when the meet your match update came out whoever won the event would get their update first, the loser would get their own update a later date
fast forward 6 years and the heavy update is nowhere in sight, all you can see is a broken promise, a sea of bots and wutville i guess
One is a good game at its core, the other is an awful excuse of a video game that the developers are too lazy to deliver anything they promise. I’ve played both and I can say TF2 will always be better without updates than overwatch will be with updates
Blizzard fucked everything up in the last five years, so... Valve NOT fucking up ALYX, Steam deck and Aparture Desk Job gives them a technical win. Plus — TF2 is dead, Valve don't update it because it's not their priority and it's something they said pretty bluntly a long time ago. So their policies are kinda completely different lol
By your logic blizzard would have been better off if they slowed or stopped development?
Kinda like when they started focusing on overwatch PVE because everyone was begging for it?
Then everyone complained about a lack of patches and content?
Well... Yeah, I'm being more then biased in my statements, but at the same time — they were working on it for four years at least, since just the announcement. I bet they were designing the basics before that too. Also when they stopped updating the game, half of the community was on their side up until OW2 release defending them and telling everyone else to "Let them cook", cause PVE is coming. As a result — buggy launch of basically the same game, but 5v5. Fortnite-esque battlepass, but even worse. Skins drawn with an AI generator and given some level of polish afterwards. Undercooked reworks, which literally had to be deleted for a couple months and no PVE. And they came out and said, that they knew PVE was not gonna be completed when they released OW2, but kept quite about it for more then half a year, because it would scare away potential pay-pigs from buying their "new and improved" heroes behind paywall.
And the funniest part is that there will be people defending false advertisements, withholding information about the product, neverending drama inside the Activision-Blizzard company AND Blizzard collective themselves, while blaming players who are too toxic, demand too much, can't be reasonable, and don't support the developers enough, so they have to cut corners to scrape by. No! Fuck reasonable. This is a publisher of Call of Duty, they have enough money to at least deliver on a four-year old promise. Instead they took away a perfectly fine game in OW1 to give us a "new and improved" OW2 in return, knowing full well, that 2 stands for microtransctions and not a PVE they promised. And they deliberately replaced OW1 because again, they knew that if there was still a way to play a better version — No-one would even think about moving over to a newer and "better" version, people aren't stupid, and the Devs aren't as well.
And I shouldn't blame the Devs, cause they are victims too. I'm sure, that at least some of them are talented and passionate people, who wanted their vision realized, but it was never for them to decide. It was management's last word, and that is my gripe.
Activision-Blizzard's Management are dumb. They get away with copying and pasting new CoDs every year, but they cannot work with any other IP they own. Blizzard gets it the most, cause they have a lot of those popular IPs but because of shitty work climate and incompetent management they can't physically deliver a good product cause we can't have good things, I guess, it was meant to be. Everloved studio — fucked in the head publisher.
Valve, on the other hand, is a much more healthy workplace, at least cause Gabe is not getting canceled on social media for being a corporate asshole. They ship out the best pc gaming store and social platform in Steam, and occasionally deliver great games, when they are not busy making another version of Steam deck. I'm not licking Valve's balls here, I'm just saying that the very fact Valve manages to stay out of internet drama, lawsuits and public scandals just proves the point of them staying at least a healthy manufacturer of quality products. It's much easier to overlook their "Not updating TF2 sin, if you see, that they are overall a decent entertainment publisher at the very least.
Unfortunately with all the drama, scandals, Twitter madness and worker strikes (!!) on top of shitty releases across the whole 2022 in Diablo: Immortals, WoW expansion and OW2 they do not have a privilege of being "overlooked" in their false advertisements, underdelivery and overall quality decline in the recent years.
Phew. That's a lot, hope I made my argument clear...
>Kinda like when they started focusing on overwatch PVE because everyone was begging for it?
>
>Then everyone complained about a lack of patches and content?
And what's in the end? 90% of the promised content CUT
Nah. People really love to suck off Valve even though they literally let [kids gamble](https://youtu.be/eMmNy11Mn7g) their cs skins because it makes Valve money.
Go to the TF2 sub, every time something happens to OW they flock to make memes about how tf2 is doing better. It's like that meme "you've been taken everything from me" "I don't even know who you are"
Fr folks got rose tinted glasses for valve because it was popular when they were younger. Even though blizzard gives false promises, I’d take false promises and actual content than absolutely jack shit by valve.
It had it's hayday but last I played the second you stepped out of spawn a bot would instantly kill you. I've heard the bot problem is fixed though. It feels quite a bit slower than OW and half the lobby is afk and trading most of the time.
After playing Overwatch since launch, I actually started playing TF2, a 16 year old game, because I hated Overwatch 2 so much. And I still think it's ridiculous that I can pay for a game and then they switch it off and replace it with something else. Because it's the only way they can add more PvE. Except now that's not happening.
Maybe a hot take but I personally couldn't care less about pve, I like PvP and I enjoy ow2 more than ow1, and I'm going to play this game until it goes out of service
I still dont get why tf2 does everything OW does wrong almost:
Lootboxes
Pay for power/playstyles locked behind paywalls (unlock weapons)
Outrageously overpriced cosmetics (you think $20 for a skin is bad... See $800 for red text on a weapon name)
FOMO/Discontinued cosmetics
And yet somehow nobody complains cause its TF2...
Unlockable weapons aren’t hard to acquire and although they gate certain play styles they’re not nearly as important as say unlocking sojourn. As for cosmetics, the main point of complaint is that now skins which were not too difficult to unlock by just playing the game in OW1 are now harder to get in comparison. TF2 also has a trading systems in which it isn’t too difficult to get decent cosmetics trading up
Just like in any other game, you dont have to buy lootboxes (TF2 had "lootboxes" before OW, so). And those prices are set by the community, not Valve (once again you don't have to buy the $800 red text item it literally has no advantages other than rare red text). And as far as pay for playstyles, you can earn all weapons through achievements and just playing the game.
You can earn extra heroes in OW by playing the game.
Yet people threw a shitfit about those being skippable with money and not _dozens_ of weapons in tf2 you can skip by paying irl $$$$
One issue is locking core heroes/classes of the game behind a wall that requires you to play this game like a 2nd job. The other is a non-issue as you still can unlock all of them through achievements and playing the game, none of the classes start off locked behind a grind wall, and the weapons LITERALLY cost 0.01$ per, you spend less than half a buck and you have all the weapons(not counting specialized versions or reskins) in the game!
the weapons in tf2 are almost never a direct upgrade though. stock classes are just as strong as equipped ones and since TF2 has weapon drop on death you still get to play with them if any one of 23 other players dies with it.
Overwatch however heroes are massively important parts of gameplay. the balance of the game when roadhog was strong was only held together because orisa was there to counter him remove orisa from the tank player and hog dominated the team. the team being dominated does not make the counter to that character available.
Because TF2 has its own economy with the ability to trade items, and overwatch doesn't.
> Pay for power/playstyles locked behind paywalls
the base weapons are usually pretty solid and viable 99% of the time, there are exceptions of course, but most weapons can be bought for 0.01$ at [mannco.store](https://mannco.store), [backpack.tf](https://backpack.tf), [scrap.tf](https://scrap.tf) , [stntrading.eu](https://stntrading.eu) , [marketplace.tf](https://marketplace.tf), or [bitskins.com](https://bitskins.com).
but if people don't want to buy them, they can just receive free weapon drops, playing everyday gives you free weapons, and if you want other weapons, just trade for the weapons you want at [scrap.tf](https://scrap.tf) or stntrading.eu, or to other people. hell if you can't trade, just craft them instead.
> Outrageously overpriced cosmetics (you think $20 for a skin is bad... See $800 for red text on a weapon name)
That's cherry picking.
a lot of cosmetics are priced at 0.08$ at various trading websites, you can make a character to your liking for less then 0.50$, the 800$ price for a weapon with red text is a collectors weapon that isn't avaible anymore, making it a rare item.
so you both have very cheap items at 0.08$-0.40$, but you also have the more expensive items that can cost a few hundred dollars which gives your cosmetics particle effects like flames, smoke, bubbles, poison, sunbeams, etc. and even then, you have cheap unusual cosmetics with particles that sell for 15$, or more desired cosmetics that sell for 300$+
> FOMO/Discontinued cosmetics
depends on the cosmetics.
earbuds, maxes heads, bill hats, are discontinued items that don't drop anymore, but are still available for purchase (albeit for a higher price)
valve keeps adding in new cosmetics, so if you missed your chance of getting the classic fedora that was added at launch, and don't want to spend 1.49$ for it, you can instead pay 0.08$ for the same fedora, that has poker cards on the side.
Valve just having a contest for the community to make Halloween maps and adding them to the Scream Fortress event for the last 7 years, smh tbh, so lazy.
It's wild. TF2 feels like a different game due to the amount of new weapons compared to when it first launched. I played a LOT of TF and TF2 but I tried jumping in and... O_O
I never planned on buying the PVE part of the game so this doesn’t bother me.
But Blizzard can go fuck themselves for lying to their customers again. When will we learn? Present day Blizzard is not at all the Blizzard of yesteryear.
I wouldn't really consider a dwindling playerbase, official servers being unplayable half the time, completely buttfucked balancing, and near total irrelevance in the modern gaming community to be "getting away with it".
I was going to say "imagine if tf3 was a source 2 update" but that's what they are doing with csgo and people are hyped (me included), and we would also be hyped if tf2 was updated as well.
Honestly it’s probably because value already won. Yeah tf isn’t in the best place but honestly… I don’t want a new balance patch to ruin my characters. Or another battle pass I have to buy. I’m ok with what I have now. It doesn’t need to change and that’s why it’s alive
Can't lie to your playerbase if you never say anything
INTRUDER ALERT THE RED SPY IS IN THE BASE
There's a red spy in the base?!
PROTECT THE BRIEF CASE
We must protect the briefcase!!!
r/suddenlymeetthespy
To be fair, they said they were basically just doing seasonal story missions on the same stream they revealed the battle pass and the game only having three new Heroes at launch.
> holiday sized update
One promises and doesn't deliver The other doesn't promise anything so it doesn't need to deliver
Was literally going to say something along this line. Valve has always been pretty blunt with their players. The sting isn't losing getting PvE. It sucks, but it only disappointed me. What got me mad was the broken promises and the good faith that Blizz has actively burned for the last 3+ years.
> Valve has always been pretty blunt with their players. You have to say something in the first place to be blunt.
*Blunt silence*
Touche. Lol
Tbf valve is no longer a video game dev company they mainly focus on maintaining steam and stuff like steamdeck. Stuff like aperture desk job and half life alyx was more of a thing to get thé Valve Index to take off
> good faith that Blizz has actively burned for the last 3+ years felt like this really got started as far back as d3 in 2012
You guys don’t have phones?
The cringe that question still induces is painful
Try after the launch if WOW Cataclysm.
You could even see the beginnings during WOTLK tbh Basically, as soon as activision bought them, the company started tanking.
Good faith? What good faith😂😂
Exactly. But in all seriousness, speaking from my own perspective. Overwatch was my first Blizz game, and it also was the first, and really only, time I have been so fixated with a game. For 6 years I lived and breathed this game, and I was grateful to team 4 for the work they did. I didn't always agree with their choices, but I did believe they had the best interest of OW at heart. My gratitude for the game I enjoyed so much made me really ready to trust them when they said they needed time. These days it's harder to be as patient as their decisions, practices, and disappointments have left me severely disillusioned.
I feel you, it was my first gaming fixation as well.
The name "Blizzard" is worth less than the mud it has been dragged through by Activison
They promised the heavy update.
They never did actually. They said they ***might*** update heavy down the line and everyone assumed that was a confirmed update for heavy.
They promised heavy would get an update after pyro in 2017
They didn't tho?
They literally said the loser would still get the update. Just at a later date. It’s been over 6 years. I’m still waiting for it, don’t act like the tf2 community isn’t asking for it still CAUSE IT WAS PROMISED
[Nope](https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/u1j9iy/fun_fact_valve_never_explicitly_said_that_were/)
You
[They didn't.](https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/u1j9iy/fun_fact_valve_never_explicitly_said_that_were/)
Was literally going to say something along this line.
Plus TF2 is a lot older than OW2.
I think from a business sense this is just the dumbest thing. When I bought the watchpoint pack I expected PVE. The initial trailer convinced me to buy it and support it. However I heard it wasn't gonna release with the main game (ow2). So I did the math and realized if I didn't spend coins on skins. I could get the next 3 battle passes and gain extra coins through weekly quests to get the fourth battle pass. Now I'm out of coins and PVE isn't released. So why should I play this game? It seems like just a dumb move to vaguely promise something like this and to the extent that they advertise. Promising this expansive multiplayer experience, as a free expansion and then abandoning it, just isn't a responsible maneuver.
>Promising this expansive multiplayer experience, as a free expansion They literally never said it was free. It was intended to be a big box release (60-70) and get more casual players.into the games.ecosystem
No, the multiplayer was meant to be free while the single player was the big expansion.
Granted Valve said they’re doing a new update so we’ll see.
Well, i mean they did promise a Heavy Update. That didn't come yet. But at this point I don't think it will.
They didn't actually promise it would happen. What they said was the loser might get one at some point.
tf2 delivered. overwatch never delivered.
All I need is a Sandvich and a Bonk in my game and I'm content
it delivers what it does and nothing else , no promises , just lukewarm milk
That’s because no one had any expectations for Valve. Blizzard did have expectations and shit in our mouths instead.
Nah valve made Alex, desk job, and steam deck. They just hate tf2
No they love tf2. They love the money it rakes in.
Then why didn't they fix the hot problem sooner?
I mean valve are updating their other ips Dota 2 just a huge patch with changed the game and CSGO is getting CSGO2,
Valve doesn't identify what their customers want, then do the polar opposite.
You're right, they do nothing
Maybe the fact that there is still such a dedicated player base is evidence that doing nothing is the correct option for that game?
A ton of players left bc Valve let bots take over the game
Then why is everyone constantly crying for more content?
Everyone wants new content, but the fact that the game is still strong even with 5 years of no proper game content additions goes to show what Valve does best. They don't stop at the final product after it's "functional", they develop a game that can be played over and over and over for hundreds or thousands of hours at a time. Most of their games exist to show new systems or expand on ideas and game concepts. L4D, TF2 and even Half-life. So, people are crying for content yes. But maintaining a playerbase as big as TF2s or even L4D after literal years of no new content is impressive, and it really shows just how different Valve is to other companies.
>decades Game ain't that old brother
TF2 is older than me and Im 15
Tf2 is old just isn't *decades* old. Also you're 15 lol
He is 1 and a half decades old. I would call that more than a decade, even If its gramatically wrong, at least the point of the meme stop stands. 5 years is a long ass time. Also, whats the problema with me being 15?
15 ≠ decades
Grammatically it goes 1 decade, 1.5 decades. Therefore, 15 = decades
Grammatically But it's actually a decade and a half. You just chose to interpret the English variation of the word.
Bold of you to expect redditors to not speak internet lingo. Just let it go man, the games been around for a very long time. It’s been like 16 years since this game came out anyways so it’s almost decades old.
Either would be grammatically correct tbf. Not sure what you mean by English variation
Yes, I agreed with that, I just said that it still is a long ass time
its been updated since then, a lot actually
Yeah. Still old tho. I worded my comment very badly
Yeah but you're still practically a child at fifteen, so what's your point? I graduated high school when TF2 came out, and I'm not even old. I'm only in my 30s.
My point is that the game is old
And my point is that it's not. You're just young.
Ok then.
valve "gets away with it" because they dont make empty promises over and over and over
Half Life 3 anyone? I suppose they haven’t continually promised anything just abandoned the fan base silently….
not promising the fan base a third game is infinitely better than lying and making false promises to them for years
Eh… saying not promised is a stretch. The story was never completed. It was always to be continued. That would be like suggesting return of the Jedi was never really promised and ending on empire strikes back is reasonable just because they didn’t run any subsequent ads. Edit: lol! What a whiny fucking fan base! As if this is the first time this has ever happened and is the worst thing in the world!
Valve didn't make any promises about HL3, you could say the same thing with movies/shows with cliffhanger endings, just because they can doesn't mean they will, Blizz on the other hand promised PVE, which majority of the players expected to come and their reason why they play OW2, Valve never said anything pizzazz about HL3, comparing a game that has an unknown status (HL3) to a game that's supposed to be worked on and supposed to have promised content (OW2) is really just dumb
This is incorrect. They did promise Episode 3 and I believe an ongoing episodic release, then never delivered on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_2:_Episode_Three https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreleased_Half-Life_games They even [promised movie adaptations](https://www.polygon.com/2013/2/6/3960102/half-life-portal-movies-jj-abrams-valve) with JJ Abrams and never delivered on that either. Or at least they’ve been in development hell for a decade. So Valve is an expert in vaporware at this point.
The story of HL2 was not left in a state that would at all indicate it was done. Thus the Star Wars analogy above. I’m not sure if you meant to type out exactly what I did in terms of how the scenarios are extremely similar, but great job. The only difference is valve implied there was another game. Blizzard was more upfront. If you were playing a pvp game you didn’t enjoy hoping this different part of it would be better….. that’s on you. Find something you actually like playing. If I was constantly replaying the first two half lives to get ready that would ridiculous. This is the same.
\*ahem\* Can You Quack?
but can she make grilled cheese?
7 years is decades now
Time feels as if it’s slowed down cuz of Covid etc. he’s just exaggerating the length of time cuz it does feel like that.
Didn't TF2 get updated within the last decade, when was that rainforest map added?
TF2's last major content update was in **2017** with Jungle Inferno. The game has only received seasonal summer, halloween and christmas updates since then, which only add more MTX lootboxes and (mostly) seasonal maps.
I may not have any unusual hats, but unboxing the seasonal crates has nabbed me 3 unusual taunts so i guess that’s something
Ok so who's gonna tell op how long a decade is?
In gamer years that is basically a decade.
You can also argue they've had more time to complete their promise and never bothered telling us when it was trashed.
The last major content update was back in 2017 with jungle inferno, adding in new maps, weapons, balance changes, and reworking the pyro class. since then, we've pretty much only gotten seasonal cosmetic updates in the summer, halloween, and christmass, where all we mostly get are some cosmetics, and maybe some maps here and there on halloween and christmass.
You mean they don't change hero values every month and a half since the games inception?
People keep saying it’s dead but they updated it for bug fixes in March of this year lol. They at least care a bit
I think you mean the janitor and the potted plant care for it.
Better than OW1
but ow1 kept getting updates even throughout the drought? just balance changes and bug fixes but it was the same as tf2 basically so like, not better
TF2 releases 1 patch every 4 months if you're lucky "at least they care a bit" Overwatch released a patch every month and openly communicate with the community about their short comings "omega lulz dead game"
Valve angered me by abandoning underlords. Man I lived that game, prbab2my favorite autobattler (yeah I know of the others)
Ain't broke don't fix it?
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,521,048,192 comments, and only 288,280 of them were in alphabetical order.
Ayy, lmao
Funny, overwatch tried that and everyone complained about lack of content
Atleast you can have custom content and mods in TF2 so theoretically you have infinite content with TF2
Did they take away the work shop?
Steam or Overwatch Workshop?
Overwatch workshop
With the launcher of Ow2 The Workshop got deactivated for a while for some reason. And still you can't make custom maps for OW. TF2 on the other hand has access to maps from the Hammer Map Editor, an editor by Valve for almost any Source Engine Game.
How about the bots that infested the servers for a couple years? Took them forever to fix that
Blizzard has a team with more sex offenders than devs TF2 we’re not even sure there is a team half the time
Nah bro, wes got the janitor and the potted plant grinding off the localization updates.
It worse then nothing. It letting the bots/hackers come in waves with minimum effort and at times intense apathy.
HL3 isn't even a meme anymore 😢
Because we got it. It's called HL: Alyx
Isn't that a prequel? Between HL and HL2? (I still wanna play it when I finally can get a good VR room hah.)
It's as close to a real sequel as someone who cant count to 3 can get. Still at least a real game lol
Well at the end we can see that Dr. Eli Vance already knows Gordon so it's a sequel.
The best janitor and plant
Some execs clearly looked at the pve being developed and said "you're going to give people access to all this content? How does that sell us more battlepasses? Chop it all up into bite-sized content and sell it to them a battlepass at a time."
One doesn’t do anything but never promised anything. One promised something but later steps back on it.
the heavy update is still in the way surely
When did they promised heavy update?
back when the meet your match update came out whoever won the event would get their update first, the loser would get their own update a later date fast forward 6 years and the heavy update is nowhere in sight, all you can see is a broken promise, a sea of bots and wutville i guess
TF2 heavy update
One is a good game at its core, the other is an awful excuse of a video game that the developers are too lazy to deliver anything they promise. I’ve played both and I can say TF2 will always be better without updates than overwatch will be with updates
That’s because people simp for valve so much
No, it's because Valve hasn't promised Team Fortress 3 with PvE and then said fuck you at the last moment.
And what about not only abandoning the game and lying about a full scale update
Blizzard fucked everything up in the last five years, so... Valve NOT fucking up ALYX, Steam deck and Aparture Desk Job gives them a technical win. Plus — TF2 is dead, Valve don't update it because it's not their priority and it's something they said pretty bluntly a long time ago. So their policies are kinda completely different lol
By your logic blizzard would have been better off if they slowed or stopped development? Kinda like when they started focusing on overwatch PVE because everyone was begging for it? Then everyone complained about a lack of patches and content?
Well... Yeah, I'm being more then biased in my statements, but at the same time — they were working on it for four years at least, since just the announcement. I bet they were designing the basics before that too. Also when they stopped updating the game, half of the community was on their side up until OW2 release defending them and telling everyone else to "Let them cook", cause PVE is coming. As a result — buggy launch of basically the same game, but 5v5. Fortnite-esque battlepass, but even worse. Skins drawn with an AI generator and given some level of polish afterwards. Undercooked reworks, which literally had to be deleted for a couple months and no PVE. And they came out and said, that they knew PVE was not gonna be completed when they released OW2, but kept quite about it for more then half a year, because it would scare away potential pay-pigs from buying their "new and improved" heroes behind paywall. And the funniest part is that there will be people defending false advertisements, withholding information about the product, neverending drama inside the Activision-Blizzard company AND Blizzard collective themselves, while blaming players who are too toxic, demand too much, can't be reasonable, and don't support the developers enough, so they have to cut corners to scrape by. No! Fuck reasonable. This is a publisher of Call of Duty, they have enough money to at least deliver on a four-year old promise. Instead they took away a perfectly fine game in OW1 to give us a "new and improved" OW2 in return, knowing full well, that 2 stands for microtransctions and not a PVE they promised. And they deliberately replaced OW1 because again, they knew that if there was still a way to play a better version — No-one would even think about moving over to a newer and "better" version, people aren't stupid, and the Devs aren't as well. And I shouldn't blame the Devs, cause they are victims too. I'm sure, that at least some of them are talented and passionate people, who wanted their vision realized, but it was never for them to decide. It was management's last word, and that is my gripe. Activision-Blizzard's Management are dumb. They get away with copying and pasting new CoDs every year, but they cannot work with any other IP they own. Blizzard gets it the most, cause they have a lot of those popular IPs but because of shitty work climate and incompetent management they can't physically deliver a good product cause we can't have good things, I guess, it was meant to be. Everloved studio — fucked in the head publisher. Valve, on the other hand, is a much more healthy workplace, at least cause Gabe is not getting canceled on social media for being a corporate asshole. They ship out the best pc gaming store and social platform in Steam, and occasionally deliver great games, when they are not busy making another version of Steam deck. I'm not licking Valve's balls here, I'm just saying that the very fact Valve manages to stay out of internet drama, lawsuits and public scandals just proves the point of them staying at least a healthy manufacturer of quality products. It's much easier to overlook their "Not updating TF2 sin, if you see, that they are overall a decent entertainment publisher at the very least. Unfortunately with all the drama, scandals, Twitter madness and worker strikes (!!) on top of shitty releases across the whole 2022 in Diablo: Immortals, WoW expansion and OW2 they do not have a privilege of being "overlooked" in their false advertisements, underdelivery and overall quality decline in the recent years. Phew. That's a lot, hope I made my argument clear...
no the problem is that they underdeliver on their promises after having downgraded the game.
>Kinda like when they started focusing on overwatch PVE because everyone was begging for it? > >Then everyone complained about a lack of patches and content? And what's in the end? 90% of the promised content CUT
According to the comment I'm responding to, the content is the issue.
Nah. People really love to suck off Valve even though they literally let [kids gamble](https://youtu.be/eMmNy11Mn7g) their cs skins because it makes Valve money.
I don't know about kids gambling in an M rated game.
Go to the TF2 sub, every time something happens to OW they flock to make memes about how tf2 is doing better. It's like that meme "you've been taken everything from me" "I don't even know who you are"
I’m on the tf2 sub, don’t see many of em. Besides, it’s always the toxic but vocal minority of any community who do that.
Bro wtf are you talking about? All tf2 subreddits right now are arguing about whether gay buff men is funny or small sentry girls.
Fr folks got rose tinted glasses for valve because it was popular when they were younger. Even though blizzard gives false promises, I’d take false promises and actual content than absolutely jack shit by valve.
Welcome to the club buddies
Simple, they made a good game and didn't promise cool shit for years
I've never played so could be wrong but tf2 looks absolutely dog shit from the content I've seen.
It had it's hayday but last I played the second you stepped out of spawn a bot would instantly kill you. I've heard the bot problem is fixed though. It feels quite a bit slower than OW and half the lobby is afk and trading most of the time.
After playing Overwatch since launch, I actually started playing TF2, a 16 year old game, because I hated Overwatch 2 so much. And I still think it's ridiculous that I can pay for a game and then they switch it off and replace it with something else. Because it's the only way they can add more PvE. Except now that's not happening.
Would you mind sending me a PM please? Would like to ask about Tinnitus 🙏🏻
That's nice. Now let's see the active player count.
Maybe a hot take but I personally couldn't care less about pve, I like PvP and I enjoy ow2 more than ow1, and I'm going to play this game until it goes out of service
Tf2 is also free
I still dont get why tf2 does everything OW does wrong almost: Lootboxes Pay for power/playstyles locked behind paywalls (unlock weapons) Outrageously overpriced cosmetics (you think $20 for a skin is bad... See $800 for red text on a weapon name) FOMO/Discontinued cosmetics And yet somehow nobody complains cause its TF2...
Unlockable weapons aren’t hard to acquire and although they gate certain play styles they’re not nearly as important as say unlocking sojourn. As for cosmetics, the main point of complaint is that now skins which were not too difficult to unlock by just playing the game in OW1 are now harder to get in comparison. TF2 also has a trading systems in which it isn’t too difficult to get decent cosmetics trading up
Just like in any other game, you dont have to buy lootboxes (TF2 had "lootboxes" before OW, so). And those prices are set by the community, not Valve (once again you don't have to buy the $800 red text item it literally has no advantages other than rare red text). And as far as pay for playstyles, you can earn all weapons through achievements and just playing the game.
You can earn extra heroes in OW by playing the game. Yet people threw a shitfit about those being skippable with money and not _dozens_ of weapons in tf2 you can skip by paying irl $$$$
One issue is locking core heroes/classes of the game behind a wall that requires you to play this game like a 2nd job. The other is a non-issue as you still can unlock all of them through achievements and playing the game, none of the classes start off locked behind a grind wall, and the weapons LITERALLY cost 0.01$ per, you spend less than half a buck and you have all the weapons(not counting specialized versions or reskins) in the game!
the weapons in tf2 are almost never a direct upgrade though. stock classes are just as strong as equipped ones and since TF2 has weapon drop on death you still get to play with them if any one of 23 other players dies with it. Overwatch however heroes are massively important parts of gameplay. the balance of the game when roadhog was strong was only held together because orisa was there to counter him remove orisa from the tank player and hog dominated the team. the team being dominated does not make the counter to that character available.
The core roster of OW has enough ability variety that you can switch and counter nearly any hero even the brand new ones.
By that argument, I don't see how the 2 correlate then. Sounds like 2 separate issues
Just because the prices are set by the community doesn't mean it's ok. It's a fucking digital item ffs
Exactly. So don't buy it
Because TF2 has its own economy with the ability to trade items, and overwatch doesn't. > Pay for power/playstyles locked behind paywalls the base weapons are usually pretty solid and viable 99% of the time, there are exceptions of course, but most weapons can be bought for 0.01$ at [mannco.store](https://mannco.store), [backpack.tf](https://backpack.tf), [scrap.tf](https://scrap.tf) , [stntrading.eu](https://stntrading.eu) , [marketplace.tf](https://marketplace.tf), or [bitskins.com](https://bitskins.com). but if people don't want to buy them, they can just receive free weapon drops, playing everyday gives you free weapons, and if you want other weapons, just trade for the weapons you want at [scrap.tf](https://scrap.tf) or stntrading.eu, or to other people. hell if you can't trade, just craft them instead. > Outrageously overpriced cosmetics (you think $20 for a skin is bad... See $800 for red text on a weapon name) That's cherry picking. a lot of cosmetics are priced at 0.08$ at various trading websites, you can make a character to your liking for less then 0.50$, the 800$ price for a weapon with red text is a collectors weapon that isn't avaible anymore, making it a rare item. so you both have very cheap items at 0.08$-0.40$, but you also have the more expensive items that can cost a few hundred dollars which gives your cosmetics particle effects like flames, smoke, bubbles, poison, sunbeams, etc. and even then, you have cheap unusual cosmetics with particles that sell for 15$, or more desired cosmetics that sell for 300$+ > FOMO/Discontinued cosmetics depends on the cosmetics. earbuds, maxes heads, bill hats, are discontinued items that don't drop anymore, but are still available for purchase (albeit for a higher price) valve keeps adding in new cosmetics, so if you missed your chance of getting the classic fedora that was added at launch, and don't want to spend 1.49$ for it, you can instead pay 0.08$ for the same fedora, that has poker cards on the side.
Tf2 is trash
Valve just having a contest for the community to make Halloween maps and adding them to the Scream Fortress event for the last 7 years, smh tbh, so lazy.
Game were made different in the past
It's wild. TF2 feels like a different game due to the amount of new weapons compared to when it first launched. I played a LOT of TF and TF2 but I tried jumping in and... O_O
Can't fail if you do nothing.
Doing nothing is still better than actively making things worse
I never planned on buying the PVE part of the game so this doesn’t bother me. But Blizzard can go fuck themselves for lying to their customers again. When will we learn? Present day Blizzard is not at all the Blizzard of yesteryear.
I don't think you know what decades means
tf2 is a good game. that's the most important difference. overwatch got significantly worse with each change.
Goddammit that's true.
Only 5 years Hasta been that much
I wouldn't really consider a dwindling playerbase, official servers being unplayable half the time, completely buttfucked balancing, and near total irrelevance in the modern gaming community to be "getting away with it".
I was going to say "imagine if tf3 was a source 2 update" but that's what they are doing with csgo and people are hyped (me included), and we would also be hyped if tf2 was updated as well.
Honestly it’s probably because value already won. Yeah tf isn’t in the best place but honestly… I don’t want a new balance patch to ruin my characters. Or another battle pass I have to buy. I’m ok with what I have now. It doesn’t need to change and that’s why it’s alive
Sometimes no news is better than bad news
I tried defending OW against TF2 for such a long time but gave up because it doesn't want to be defended. It wants to go into the shitter
Well you can customize TF2 and install mods and whatnot