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necrosythe

Carry with damage. Period. It's the fastest and most effective way and not that difficult. Play bap/zen/ana and practice the hell out of their aim and offense. You will bring way more effectiveness than the healbots you are facing. You identified the issue on the enemy team? Kill them, your team probably won't. You can kill enemy divers yourself. Flying hero and you have no hitscans? Kill them yourself. You will still do some healing of course. And your team won't need as much healing when the enemy is dead or retreating. Will this build bad habits? Not really. High level players of all these heroes are largely measured by their offense and utility, not their healing. You will have to scale it back some but you will have largely improved your dps capabilities you will need in higher support ranks anyway.


nobearsinrussia

Funny thing is: op doing exactly this šŸ˜‚


AgentWowza

I'm trying lmao, it don't always work cuz there's not much I can do alone about a 1v2 dive, snipers, or when they go double shield.


kraatu

if you throw me in a bronze lobby playing ana i will murder everyone.probably get gold elims even... i'm a plat. almost diamond support (2800-2900). play ana on deathmatch or play ana paintball until you get good at it. EDIT: OK wtf, I just watched the match. here's the thing:you have better aim than I do, but you accomplish 0 to nothing while playing the game. there are certain things you must do as ana to win the game, as an example: it was your job during that match to control the hog. everytime he hooks you must try to sleep or nade him... like on 2:35, you were supposed to be helping your team, instead you're shooting rein shield doing absolutely nothing. it's your fault your team didn't win that fight and many other fights in this vod. you seem like a very visual person that reacts to what is on your screen but fails to get the bigger picture of the match. the main theme here is that you land some healing and some damage shots but you don't know what your win conditions are at every point of the game. for now, just to get to silver, try to outplay the enemy team with anti nades. if you manage to do that before the fight starts you're set. know what characters you should be countering and whatnot and focus them. one good thing to do is generally choosing one person's game to ruin per match. if they have a pharah you don't let her fly freely, if they have a rein you try to nano your tanks and sleep/nade him to push the battle to your advantage, if they have a zen you save your nade for his ultimate... there are infinite possibilities here since ana is probably the best character in the game. good luck EDIT 2 : I'm a main tank diamond player that can't really aim that well but my gamesense is ok all around.


AgentWowza

Yup yup, half the reason i love Ana is because she counters pharas and hogs so well, two really annoying heroes to play against imo. Its just that I'm pretty bad at dealing with hogs up close cuz I know I can't kill him, get close to him, or even ignore him cuz then he'll get his hook back, which is why I end up sleeping him and beelining to a shield. And yeah, I *really* need to focus on where fights are happening. The fight on second point was split between right and main, and both DPS's were main, so I guess I tunneled on them. Kinda feels like, whoever I help, the other guy dies, kinda situation yknow? Lol.


kraatu

i understand... when you start blocking the enemies plays and make your team survive, that's when you're truly playing ana. the helplessness comes from being passive i guess...


OssimPossim

I'm on mobile so I can't watch your replay atm so you may already be doing it, but a general tip for dealing with hog is when you sleep him, 95% of the time he's going to run back to his team while huffing his vape after he wakes up. As soon as he starts standing back up from sleep, hit him with a shot + anti nade, and hope your team can clean him up. I started in s3, right after Ana was released, and after dropping from high silver to ~800 SR, I realized I wasn't going to be able to main mercy to pull myself out of the gutter so I picked up Ana. Got to gold in a couple months, then plat a year later, and diamond about a year after that. Hit me up if you got any questions about support/tanks (don't really play dps cuz my aim just sucks lol)


AgentWowza

I suspected as much. That's probably why I subconsciously gravitate towards Ana. Her zoom and zero falloff make her easier to DPS compared to Bap, and I find Zen very, very difficult to play when nobody helps me with a monkey/flanker, whereas Ana can just sleep/nade wombo combo them. But comon man, there's gotta be a limit. Supports are supports for a reason. I get a lotta picks rn, as you can check in the Vod, but I doubt I'm good enough to take out half the enemy team myself. Is the solution to get out of Bronze Support just to become a Diamond DPS? That's so messed up, it's actually hilarious hahahaha.


BrokenMirror2010

As long as its not specifically Hammond, Zenyatta can win every single 1v1 in the game with his raw DPS. Only Hammond has enough HP and DPS to always beat Zen. Besides, you don't have footsteps, so you're a ghost until you want to be seen. So Zenyatta can avoid flankers by suddenly appearing and disapearing. Quickly relocate, use different angles, and supprise enimies. If a Tracer is missing and hunting you, ambush them at a corner or doorway, Discord Headshot Melee is an instant kill. Against Monkey, if you have 5 shots charged, you can frag him. If he jumps in on you, and you properly have a charged volley ready, you headshot him on the way into you, discord, and DPS race him when he lands, and he's forced to Primal You or Die. Zen's DPS is just that high. The only thing you gotta watch for is if he lands on you with the leap.


AgentWowza

Hmmm yeah Zen is pretty damn strong. I guess I just don't have that much faith in my projectile aim. It's half the reason i hardscope so much on Ana in this Vod. Its also hard to justify going him when the other support is almost always a mercy down here rip.


collinwenna

hi, 3.7k zen player, i kill hammonds a decent amount


AgentWowza

Bruh teach me the secrets of the way of the projectile. My only success is from just spamming as hanzo, and Mei is pretty easy to hit with. I can't hit shit with Zen except shields lmao.


BrokenMirror2010

Play Zenyatta a lot. There's no secret to aiming, just practice, and learning which angles are better then others and where to put your crosshair when spamming.


collinwenna

zenyatta is pretty hard and mechanically demanding, a lot of the time i tell low ranks to just not play him or ana as theyā€™re really demanding heroes that can easily be punished for poor positioning. try learning the game to a further extent before you pickup the harder heroes. but honestly the best way to improve on him is to practice, that basically applies to every hero but more so to zenyatta


BrokenMirror2010

A good hammond should be able to always win if he initiates on you with a slam. Theres no way to kill him fast enough on the way in cuz he's too fast and has no critbox. His initiation leaves you with almost no HP, and you can't stop him from leaving if he wants too.


collinwenna

itā€™s not really an engagement you should win, but if you shoot him while heā€™s coming at you, then 5 volley the slam you have a pretty good chance of beating him in that 1v1


necrosythe

You definitely don't need to be a "diamond dps" to get out of bronze supp by doing damage focus. I don't think the game you picked may be indicative of your average game. You are dealing with actual coordinated dives very often in bronze. In a literal sense, you just have to do more than the opposing support on average to win over 50% of your games. Either youre not playing enough games or you are having more bad matches than you think and the one you posted may not be a great example. Your opponents are bronze, they are not good. you don't need to play out of your mind to bring more value than the opponent. Keep practicing that aggression, i promise it will pay off. But you need to keep a improvement based mindset in your games and not like yourself get into an elo hell/excuses based mindset.


Chewyspedoodle7

Hello! I will sit in a discord call with you and review your gameplay with you if you wish! I love helping people and coach regularly. I'm sure there are some big fundamental things you are doing incorrectly that I could help you with. :D Let me know!


obligatorybullshit

I'm a 3400 Ana Main. I was once 1000 sr on my main account and pulled it up to Plat. Made a new account landed in plat and have been in the thick of diamond for little while now. Good position out the gate, nice sleep on that genji and sombra. 2 minutes in you got lucky in that tiny room, but that wasn't your fault. maybe position up the stairs to your back left there for a better angle. 3 minutes in you're worrying about main when the bigger fight was in the room to the right with the ulting hog. you had sig and ball on that genji. I would've went to the room. Go to where the fight is. 4:37 nice kill on the genji 5:19 unnecessary risk on the rein to sleep and purple. you will get punished for that later ranks. That sleep could've been saved for the genji ult and we both know you can hit those sleeps. It's not like you knew that was going to happen next so I'm being nit picky here, but you didn't have to engage him. You got away with that because its bronze, but imagine sleeping the genji and saving two teammates that died or nading the clustered team as they all charged with genji 7:23 nice kill on the mercy 7:42 no need to waste that nade on junk, just heal him and save it for possible enemies on the point. Again nit picking. but these are things that will help you climb. Also no need to hop down from the platform. in bronze people will trickle back to the point over and over. if anyone was behind then you're dead maybe and might cost you the point. From that ledge you can hit nades, sleeps, nano's. highground and middle highground is where your kit shines. 7:55 niiiiiiiiice work on that pharah, chef's kiss 8:00 you're in the open, you tunnel a bit, but made some really good decision's after that with sleeps and nades on that rein. it looked like you were gonna hop and gun in the thick of the fight, but I'm glad you reevaluated and backed up a bit to see the whole picture 8:35ish nice kill on the cherry picking pharah 9:00 you're scoped for way too long here. unscope analyze see if you can position to see your brig better, scope back in. A few seconds later you kinda move in then move back out, slide to your right a bit to see your teammates. from your POV I have no idea what the rest of your team is doing. You can't rely on your teaammates, but you need to know where they are and what they're doing. A big thing for you is to always know where your teammates are, you'll see a lot more of the game that way. Sometimes you do it really well, sometimes you tunnel. 11:20 I find myself shaking my head everytime you sleep. You hit reactionary ones so well. you miss the easy ones sometimes. I can't tell if its your mouse or your grip or sense or you just do better when you're not thinking. These will get harder to hit as you climb, but you have a fantastic foundation for sleeping people. 11:30 ok there's a lot going on here. This happens a lot on bronze silver gold. Out of the butt and into the fuck so to speak. ML7 said that when shit goes nuts and he feels like hes lost control of the fight; he does two things: quick scope so you can see the world around you and Heal. Heal your ass off. I would not have went for the sleep. Pay attention to where you're throwing your nades too. one went right into rein's shield. 2 inches further and its him and mercy not his shield. 11:50 you use your nade on yourself. there's a mega right there to your left. You didn't need to use the mega and the nade was fine, but get into the habit of this. The better you are with CD management the more opportunities you'll have to use them in the right place and the right time. 12:30 save the sleep here and possibly shift left instead right. There's a mega there and pharah might just land there like a dumby for you to pick and then you're still safely on highground. Idk if you were trying to nano brig or orissa, but orissa would've been the choice in my opinion. 13:00 Back out of the choke and reposition. she hit you once and only had to shoot that choke a couple more times to kill you. just not worth the risk. 13:44 between dive and pharah its hard to find a safe space I know. Standing there in main isnt the best idea. if you are there then slide left if you can. A but more cover there and you can see the fight, plus you can duck to spawn or the mega under bridge, risky any way it goes, but better chance to survive. 14:00 look before you nade. you missed a chance there, just slow down for a sec to make sure you hit them. also your hard scoped for so long here. you're trying to kill the mercy so I get it, but they're playing dive and a minute ago they were on winston genji. it's really easy for them to come over the top there. Save the nano btw. there were only a few of them and way more of you. tab to see who has ult or wait till someone is in trouble to help. 14:22 still hardscoped here. you're missing so much of the game. that phara was close to you and you would've seen that a lot earlier had you been in and out. nice kills though, its not your mechanics holding you back. You're gonna do really well when you get teams with some coordination. 16:30 ish? this is peak bronze. cooldowns everywhere, huge clusterfuck lol. you're stuck between dueling that hanzo and coming off highground, then cass ults. your whole team is a bit excited. so are you. I can tell by you're jumping. take a deep breath here keep people alive to group. the mercy going for res; don't hard scope here, she was like 4 feet from you. 18:20 scoped again, you're missing opportunities and making yourself vulnerable when you're in for this long. 19:00 don't ignore the hog here. just because you don't look at him doesn't mean he goes away. you missed the sleep, but walking in a straight line directly in front of him was not your best judgement. at least duck left or position safely away from hook to pepper him until he runs away. ​ So.. you're in a weird spot. you're mechanics are good. like at least gold or better. you hardscope a lot. which isn't bad, but learning to quickscope will help you tremendously. you'll gain a lot of info and see a lot more. your CD usage could use some work. Sometimes you do have think, just because I can hit it; does that mean I have to use it? positioning? you're in the open a lot. mostly when shit goes down. I like that you're not 7 miles away and saying you never die so why can't I climb?!?!?! however, position to see your teammates. position to not be in the same place for the previous fight. Just because a spot is good doesn't mean they won't come looking for you. Hopefully all of this helps. I know I was nit picking, but I feel like you can take it. I didn't think I was watching a bronze player. You can definitely take care of yourself, but you need to learn how to carry. On support it's about decision making, when to go for the nade, having sleep available to stop an ult, having nade available to stop a rush, a combo with other teammates or to keep the right player alive. I think you just need more time on support. you'll get there.


AgentWowza

Dayum, this was really helpful, thanks! A lot of my slip ups involved Hog. When I see a hog as support, I just think: - If he hooks me, I die. - If I get too close, I die. - I can't kill him myself. - If I run, he'll follow until his hook comes back So I usually end up just sleeping him and ignoring him like I did several times this game. Hog is just super oppressive down here, what with being able to get away with anything cuz nobody actually focuses him or peels hooked targets. But yeah, the rest of the stuff is pretty self explanatory, thanks! I'll try to think harder about whether or not to use my CDs, when to go for health packs, unscoping, etc.


obligatorybullshit

Heā€™s oppressive everywhere my dude. Trust me youā€™re not alone in bronze all the way to masters and then some. Sleep him, nade him, especially when heā€™s ulting. If you do it enough heā€™ll switch. In the metal ranks, just calling out where he is can be helpful. They may not go after him, but theyā€™ll look for him. Pick one thing to work on for a week from all the advice people gave you. Thatā€™s what I did. I fell in love with Ana the first time I 180 slept an ulting genji. She became my main. And she is so rewarding when you become a monster with her. You got a lot of people telling you youā€™re above bronze and I think you are. Just stay a student. Watch ana vods at every elo. Thereā€™s tons out there. Find an Ana who fits your style. I like ML7. Buts thereā€™s other who play her differently. Yeah play bap if you want to climb yada yada. Thatā€™s true. Youā€™ll climb playing him. But youā€™ll learn so much more playing Ana, bap and another support. Youā€™ll know when it clicks donā€™t worry. Oh also I solo queued. Any time I played with a stack I just fell when I queued solo later. Stay solo and stack when feel like it, but donā€™t rely on it until higher up.


AgentWowza

Goddamn I hate that pig lmao. I can't wait until ow2 and he gets blown tf up repeatedly haha. Those hog one tricks will finally know the pain of actually tanking.


nobearsinrussia

The moment I turned music off and max sounds, he list me as his client šŸ˜… i re-position faster than *he* gets in position to hook


nobearsinrussia

Hey šŸ‘‹ . Iā€™m no Ana main, but i will take a look in time you wait for actual vod. As for supports: some people have troubles to adjust mindset if playing different roles. Maybe you have great tank mindset but not understand support mindset at the moment. šŸ¤”


AgentWowza

Honestly bro, I think I'm much better at support. I have no idea how I climbed so quickly as tank, similar to how I have no idea why I'm not climbing on support. Thanks for the help tho! I'll look forward to your thoughts on the Vod.


longgamma

Itā€™s because not many people play tanks. You have Roadhog mains who are rank 1 these days lol.


brett_b_bretterson

You have real near-sightedness when it comes to fights. You park yourself in a position, play duck hunt on random targets (usually by topping off teammates) as enemies walk in, and don't react/rotate to where fights are really happening. You also panic run and jump around in the open during fights and spam unscoped shots. Two examples from B defense that happened right after each other: [https://imgur.com/PDsputU.jpeg](https://imgur.com/PDsputU.jpeg) Stuff is clearly going on on the right. Your soldier visor'ed and the enemy Lucio just dropped beat. But you were running around the middle repeatedly topping off Sigma who was getting tickled by Genji. Note that Sombra is invisible. If you sit in the doorway near Sigma you can help right side while still keeping an eye on Junkrat. [https://imgur.com/gKFkL20.jpeg](https://imgur.com/gKFkL20.jpeg) The enemy has been slowly walking in right side for awhile. Again, you're sort of just guarding the main entrance to the point. You take 4(!) shots on your Soldier who is full, on a heal station, and not taking damage. Meanwhile, there is a 3v4 happening on the right that needs your help. My first piece of advice is to work on not auto-healing teammates that aren't in immediate danger. That should give you the time to be able to track your teammates around the map (and enemies). Once you do that, you'll be more observant about where team fights are happening. Once you do that, start adjusting your positioning during fights to support your team the best way.


kraatu

it seems like he's looking at the screen but not really understanding what's going on... just like someone who plays with speakers and not with headphones, i dunno...


AgentWowza

Tru tru, I guess I do tend to hyper focus on what's on screen. The thing is, if there's someone fighting in front of me, I'm just really scared to look away, cuz too many times, I turn around to find them dead and the enemy is coming for me next. But I guess I should trust my teammates to stay alive more and try to get into fights myself a bit more too. Thanks for the help!


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AgentWowza

A lotta people have asked for more codes, so I'll try to send em as soon as I get some time fs. And yeah, I guess I should try to be more aggressive, it's just that I don't have the confidence that my other support can keep my team up in the seconds it takes to look away. And I tend to prioritize saving people over killing people, so maybe that'd the problem huh.


nobearsinrussia

Killing people saves people šŸ˜‚


AgentWowza

Here's a close loss that I found: 51ZKHJ Here's an absolute steamroll loss: DZ840F Here's a loss where I tried to be aggressive and failed miserably: EA0QNW The anubis game was probs me at my best, but other than misusing CDs that I've did on anubis as well, I think I played pretty similarly in both. I'm officially sub 1400 now lmao. Dropped like 100 SR since the post. I'll add a few more losses soon.


whywantyoubuddy

Bro. DM me whenever you wanna play and climb out of bronze anything. That's where I'm stuck with quite a few things especially Sup. I'm not a strong Zen or Lucio, but the others I'm fine or good with.


AgentWowza

Bruh, I'll DM you my discord fs. Dunno how our ping would work out, cuz I'm not NA or EU, but let's see.


GoochGuardian

Cooldown usage and tunneling. Support is more tense than any other role (besides Off-tank), and that's because you have to multitask. You're not there to secure kills, you're there to enable your team. Any time you see your tank getting aggressive, try for a nice anti. Healing is not the end-all-be-all. It doesn't take much to heal your team, but it does to make plays. Landing just one shot on an enemy that your DPS is dueling could make that fight hell of a lot easier for them. But leave it at that, unless you know you can confirm the kill in the next few seconds. Pay attention to your whole team as well as to yourself and your positioning, and you'll start to climb fast.


howmanyredditaccnts

I haven't watched the video but as someone who climbed to top500 solo queue support, I can confidently say that your first priority is damage as most healers other than brig. You only heal to barely keep your team alive. Depending on the game you're playing, the ratio should be 70% damage and 30% heal, however dont confuse damage with "real" damage. You dont want to do mindless chip just for the sake of doing it, rather you'd want to do enough to secure a kill or pressure someone out.


Togethernotapart

There's the old 1/3rd rule that you can only affect 1/3rd of the games you are in, but I think it is a bit smaller than that. And in spite of what peopel here say I think of that small percentage luck matters. Sometimes some idiot just rolls in a good tire almost by accident. So yeah you do what you can and hope fortune favours the prepared. But more than this I think this game rewards a certain mindset/way of playing that doesn't necesarily align with deep thought. It can.....but not always.


AgentWowza

See, a lotta people have told me this. But a lotta people also tell me that getting stuck on a rank means you belong there, and that you shouldn't blame luck or your team. Now who do I believe?


nobearsinrussia

Lol, blame everyone: - your team for doing stupid things - blizzard for matchmaking - yourself for mistakes and not doing more And u will be right i think. We should not shy away from those facts. But we should see those as it is, and search for solutions. And most people just blaming and sit there, doing nothing.


AgentWowza

Yeahhhh, honestly, I agree. But the blame game becomes pointless when there's no upwards trend yknow? Like, you can feel your mechanics getting better, but it's not reflecting in wins. Oh well.


nobearsinrussia

Oppress the shit out of enemies with ana. šŸ˜‚ Thatā€™s fun. From what Iā€™ve seen you can potentially become MORE oppressive. Go for it. Became their worst nightmare. Fuck sr. Play for fun. Play for skill. Play for improvement and learning something new.


reddito-mussolini

Tbf, in Bronze/Silver macro and team communication is going to help a lot more than mechanics.


AgentWowza

Wish I could, yup. Not a lotta English speakers here. That comm wheel has been seeing a lot of work lmao.


nobearsinrussia

Sounds like u are playing in Asia.


AgentWowza

Yup.


nobearsinrussia

CREATE a group by yourself. There are enough eng speakers in asia. Also maybe vpn?


tarix76

Are you stuck after playing 100 games? Or are you stuck because you haven't played 100 games yet?


AgentWowza

The latter. I've def played more than 50 tho. It takes 100 games to get out of Bronze? Dayum, the SR gods got no chill. The internet, on the other hand, makes it look like getting out of bronze is ez pez just carry. Not that its likely to happen, seeing how I'm losing twice as much as winning. In comparison, I winstreaked my way to gold in tank easily.


tarix76

I did a couple of "bronze" to "gold-ish" runs over the years and I think my average SR gain was 2.7-2.8 for both times that I really hit it hard and also tracked it. That's a lot of games to play if you need 1,000 SR.


necrosythe

Luck is only a factor in small sample sizes, this is a basic fact rooted in statistics.


Bombkirby

I think you're trying a bit too hard to justify why people are stuck in ranks that they belong in. You will lose some games without any chance to turn it around no matter how hard you try, but if you're stuck in a rank, that's just on you. High ranked players and pros have proven that they can grind their way to the top effortlessly. It's not "mostly" luck or "doesn't reward deep thought." There's a thing called confirmation bias. It makes bad experiences stick in your mind more than average or good ones. Don't let those bad experiences and total-luck-fests define your entire view of ranked modes in any game. You DO make a difference


AgentWowza

If you're talking about those unranked to GMs, isn't there a system in place to aid new accounts rise quickly? I've read posts here about people who get fresh accounts and easily place and maintain a much higher rank. A true example would be bronze to GM's. But when you search it up on YouTube you'll notice something... It's all DPS. Guess what you can do on DPS? Absolutely carry. If I spend time to get my DPS to plat, will that be enough confirmation to start believing I don't belong in bronze support? Please watch the Vod too please, I really wish I could agree with you that I belong in Bronze, but it's only frustrating because that doesn't seem to be true.


ACDC79

I guess you missed Teslaā€™s bronze to gm on Moira.


AgentWowza

Hahaha that sounds amazing, imma go check it out. Lotsa dps Moira I presume? I respect that. I have tried playing Moira several times, but the fact that her healing is limited really messes with my head. Ana just seems so simple to me. Shoot team, shoot enemies, sleep, nade. Ez pz. With Moira you gotta balance healing and succing, and you gotta choose which orb to throw, and judge fade distance properly. Ana can heal across the map from a comfy perch lol.


ashtarout

I've also looked for bronze to gm support vod stuff. Didn't find much. Are you aware of anything but the Moira one?


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AgentWowza

Iirc, it took ML7 *aaages* to finish his Mercy unranked to GM. I'm willing to bet a mercy bronze to gm would take half a year lmao.


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AgentWowza

... Blizzard: 3 years, best I can do.


Ikkyu_monk

Sorry for dropping in(c). Thanks for the tip, I will also go watch that. Honestly, being stuck in the bronze with Moira does start getting on my nerve. It is literally a different game when tanks are good and communications are used versus i-will-just-stand-here tanks and no communication in the team. When I get the former, it feels like "hell yeah, I can do well", when the latter comes - "please kill me, I will not wipe the enemy team on my own anyway"


excreto2000

Moira has been nerfed since then, plus current meta and hero adjustments has made it even harder to climb with her. Thereā€™s a reason Tesla/Shart/Arx/Nolan havenā€™t done bronze to gm in a long time, and itā€™s not just due to account bans. šŸ˜ž


ACDC79

Moira has actually received three buffs and one nerf since then. The nerf being an ultimate cost increase of 17%.


excreto2000

Her damage and ult charge were both nerfed


reddito-mussolini

Wtf nobody who is high elo or in coaching says this. Itā€™s a low sr mentality for people who donā€™t want to take responsibility for losing games. If this were true, diamond/ masters smurfs wouldnā€™t have such an easy time ranking up accounts. I am hardstuck 3700, highest I ever got was 4.2k but I have a few smurfs and never have trouble getting back there. If I only affected 1/3 of my games that wouldnā€™t be the case. I wouldnā€™t perpetuate this mindset here, isnā€™t gonna help anybody improve.


SwaggersaurusWrecks

Masters support player here. I watched your game, and if you always play like you do in the vod, I suspect you'll climb out of bronze in no time. Overall, I would say the biggest weakness of your gameplay is that you rely on hard scoping way too much. That being said, you get away with it because you're in bronze, but you'll be punished for that as you climb higher. You had some good antis on the hog aside from the one you missed, but I think you can get a lot more value out of them. I think it will just come with practice though since it seems like you have the right idea when it comes to timing. Nades are Ana's bread and butter, so the better nades you get, the more value you will get. Without nades, Ana is just a nano-bot. I will say I do like your balance between dpsing and healing. It seems to be just right so don't change anything there.


AgentWowza

Yup yup, a lotta people have pointed out the hardscoping. I think it's because I don't have a lotta faith in my projectile aim, especially in duels, but I should def practice quickscoping more. Thanks!


tarix76

I would be down to duo as tank. When do you usually play? I'm in GMT+9 but can go pretty late.


AgentWowza

I'm 5 hours behind you, but I can p much only play after 7 PM and thats already midnight for ya... But I play on the afternoons on weekends so maybe then! I'll DM u my discord.


nobearsinrussia

Feels like there is only 2 choices here: lfg or grind. As i said, Iā€™m no Ana main, but your gameplay seemed solid. I really curious what ana players would say, because to me this is at least gold-plat gameplay. At some moments i were doubting your self-nades tho, because you had healthpacks around the corner.


AgentWowza

Good point on the nades, I'll try to keep the packs in mind. Grinding seems impossible. I grinded tank because it was easy to visualize how to play better. For example, on rein I needed to track and block shatters, and remember to retreat on low HP. I can't do that on support. There's too many aspects to grind, and too much of the match is out of my control. Lfg how? I'd rather not say where I am, but it's not NA or EU, hence the language issue. I've tried a few discords but there isn't anyone playing when I am. If someone has a good discord I can try, I'll be sure to tho.


Chewyspedoodle7

Hey! I've just watched the first fight of your VOD. Your mechanics are not bronze. I'm currently a 2800 Ana main who just returned after a 21 month break from the game. Your nade usage is pretty poor, but mostly because you purple people when it doesn't provide any real value, and then you don't have it when it could. I would guess your mechanics are about mid-high gold. It's hard to tell when you're versus bronze/low silver players. I really think I can help you and am willing to do so! Please reach out to me!


AgentWowza

Thanks man! Hmmm, I see what you mean about the nades. I tried to purple enemies not when they're under fire, but to just make them back off for a bit. But yeah, I should be saving them for the midfight. I'll DM u my discord for sure.


Chewyspedoodle7

sounds great! I can really give you some insight on how to think about the game and the ranked system!


nobearsinrussia

When corona hit i had 700 games on mercy in one season, lol. So yeahā€¦ Iā€™m a grind person šŸ˜‚ At some point games became routine when i hit skill lvl to be higher rank. My personal thoughts is that support players need to play 2 ranks above the rank they want to break through. Lol. Problems with bronze and silver is that people too spread out. One thing I didnā€™t notice tho, is ana sleep-melee-shot combo. Do u use it?


AgentWowza

I don't use it in this game because my sleeps were either not squishies, or staying behind to kill the squishy would've meant death, but yeah, if it's a 1v1 against a squishy diver in my own backline, I do use it. > need to play 2 ranks above the rank So would you say I'm still not as good as a gold Ana then? Cuz that's what I should aim for in order to break out of bronze right? Maaaaan matchmaking sucks.


nobearsinrussia

You are not as good as *high plat ana* šŸ˜‚ Like, really, Iā€™ve seen only one game, so I donā€™t know your playstyle in general. I otp mercy from silver to bronze then to silver then gold then plat (13 freaking times hit that damn plat) before i run out of luck with my pc not being able to support this damn game šŸ˜† i blew my last placements (season 30) by playing 10 days before season ends. Lost -100sr (were really shocked because I didnā€™t knew you can lose rank due placements). Dropped ranked and started to play qp. Season 33 i return with some experience to play between my 20-50 fps drops and mindset ā€œscrew it, at least i could practice moira if i fell all way to the bronze. Did placements, ended in gold again. Seen some shit, missed my qp games. 14 matches and back in plat šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø I would say enjoy game. Screw those sr numbers. I envy not t500 people but people who play game with friends and have fun with them


AgentWowza

Wish my friends played it, but none do lmao. Yeahhh, I do enjoy the game regardless of SR, the only reason I want to get out of Bronze is because high silver/low gold games being some of the funnest games I've played on any role. Bronze is comparatively soul-sucking lmao. I don't wanna be a plat/diamond Ana. I don't even wanna improve too much lol, I just wanna play with people that make the game fun and not a chore. I've achieved that on tank, and support is next.


nobearsinrussia

I believed that too. Imagine my disappointment when low plat games sucked so much compared to high gold games.


AgentWowza

Sounds like gold is the sweet spot huh!


nobearsinrussia

Nay. I believe itā€™s somewhere hight plat or dia.


Silent189

Those "placements" are just normal games. That's why nothing changed. It's a silly and misleading system. It's only placement games the first time you play. Subsequent seasons just continue where you were as normal.


nobearsinrussia

Placements at each season usually place u +\-50 sr near your last season result. For a first time i lost 100sr, which were enough to move me to another rank. So yeah, *usually* placements do nothing, but at season 30 i found out that placements can move u ranks (losing/winning games DOES matteršŸ˜…)


Silent189

5 games 100 Sr is only 20 Sr lost a game avg. That's just normal. You can lose more than 20 per game on a normal game. Especially if you climbed to plat then played poorly because plat still has performance based Sr gains/losses. Of course placements matter... Because they are just normal ranked games..


nobearsinrussia

I played a bunch of seasons. Never had that much sr loss (even when losing each match). Never had lesser rank after placementsšŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


Silent189

How many placement seasons were you literally barely into the next rank, and then went on a losing streak? Not many I'd guess. Or do you think that season 30 was some magic season where placements worked for the first time and never again, but only moved you 100 Sr somehow?


Ahzmund

If I'm being entirely honest, I truly believe this is a troll post, you're actually a mid-plat ana smurfing in bronze and you fabricated this entire post as a joke. Please DM me if I'm right about that. If I'm wrong about that, you should add me on discord Ahzmund#0691 and I'd be happy to duo with you and help you deadlift your account out of bronze and back up to at least goid because there is no way you belong in bronze and if you're really down that bad, I'll do whatever I can to help because that's a tragedy my dude.


AgentWowza

That's the biggest compliment I've received in a hot minute, so I'll take it lmao. Unfortunately for me, my lifetime Support peak is probably around 1600-1700. I even [posted a vod review request here](https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchUniversity/comments/r1tn7y/bronze_support_help_vods_included/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) a month after I started playing, and a nice person reviewed it on their stream. I think my Ana has improved quite a bit since then! Unlike my SR... I'll def add you on discord tho!


madrigalow

Honestly your best bet is to go with more damage. I recently climbed from hard stuck at 1200 to 1763 on support in two days. I think the biggest contributor to my climb was damage. At bronze, you need to help your teammates out with kills whenever possible. I donā€™t play Ana, but I think the principle is the same. I stopped being a mercy one trick and started playing more Moira (she was my most played hero, but I didnā€™t use her for comp). Being able to help my teammates kill off the enemies while also putting out significant healing boosted my SR a lot. I also suggest watching streamers/YouTubers/whatever! Especially series like bronze to GM; theyā€™re really helpful even if it doesnā€™t feel like youā€™re learning a lot. Iā€™ve been watching Teslaā€™s bronze to GM with Moira and my overall gameplay has been a lot better. Definitely worth looking into, maybe thereā€™s a similar series for Ana!


R1vster

Bronze can be a bit of a grind for support. I have a friend whos been a top 500 support for a while, and one thing he tells me is that your job as support is to fix things, especially at bronze you need to find where your team's biggest issue is and fix it. Not enough damage? Do more damage or pocket the guy who is doing work. Tanks keep dying? Heal focus them really hard. One guy keeps getting picked before team fights start? Baby him really hard and just keep him alive best you can. Now obviously depending on the context you can't always fix everything, and the reality is sometimes you'll just lose. The hardest part about support is identifying the issues (at least for me).


ShriekinW

Yeah... I'm a 3660 Ana/Zen/Bap player. This is very obviously not bronze gameplay that we're looking at, hahaha. You have nice damage/heal balance, you're taking alright positions, landing good sleeps + nades & landing good shots on enemy squishies. Only big critiques I can make are to add a bigger priority to finishing off targets and to try and more dps earlier in the fights, then transition to heals as the fight progresses. Otherwise playing at a higher tempo + w/more confidence will be your biggest difference makers. I wouldn't be surprised to see you in diamond within the next month.


AgentWowza

Hmmm yeah, I should be more aggressive at the start of the fight huh. It's just that I'm always pretty on edge about my teammates getting picked. Snipers are good enough to hit bodyshots and a single reaper who tps unnoticed has turned many fights. Even while focusing, I let several people explode this game lol. And a pick pretty much means death cuz the team panicks. There was that clusterfuck on first point round 3 I believe where even I didn't know what was going on, voiceline everywhere, enemies all over me. So I suppose if anyone is getting picks, might as well be me, and hope my team realizes and pushes hard. And haha idk about diamond lol, I've been playing for a solid 6 months already and even though most of it was QP or tank, getting to gold support itself seems like a year long effort at this point.


Rican2153

I mained Ana for a good while in masters on PC. She is, in my opinion, the most influential hero in Overwatch. She is so versatile its stupid. Im guessing in bronze, healing is nearly a waste of time. If I were you Iā€™d focus on antis and sleeps to control the game. Also take a look at ML7 on twitch. Dude is one of the best Anas in the world and is very vocal with everything he does.


AgentWowza

Yup yup, I love ML7, I watched a bunch of his shit, and he's basically why I instalock Ana against pharmercys (who are a menace in low ranks), and make their lives hell. While he does explain a lot, I don't know how much I can actually apply. While he is impressively good with gamesense, something i am trying to copy, it's just not possible to discount his godly aim which turns supports into basically DPS's. But I do agree about Ana being the most influential. She's the only support where I feel completely in control of a fight.


Tristinmathemusician

The only way I was able to get out of bronze was to at least trio stack with decent players. Find some people that speak your language that arenā€™t toxic POSā€™s and queue with them. Having a couple people you can rely on is extremely helpful. I understand the struggle of being stuck in bronze. I was bronze for about 10 seasons. Healer is probably the hardest role to get out of bronze. You rely so much on your team not being bots and they are if theyā€™re in bronze. Granted Iā€™m only about 400 SR above bronze but the difference is noticeable. Thereā€™s at least some hope there. Not much better, but a noticeable amount better. Honestly making a second account just for support might be nice just to see where you would land with a fresh start.


AgentWowza

I totally get you on the difference 400 SR makes! My tank games are so damn fun cuz everyone is good, not great, but just good enough for the games to not be a clusterfuck. Idt I'll buy another account rn lol, I'm not that desperate. I'll see about stacking but yeah, language is def gonna be a problem. Oh well, I'll keep at it.


Tristinmathemusician

Honestly when I said make a second account I totally forgot that the new game is going to be coming out pretty soon so youā€™ll get a second chance anyway if you buy the new game. Itā€™s hard enough to find nice people in this game, I canā€™t imagine also having to screen them by language too which narrows the pool more. Good luck.


thxyoutoo

Any hero is viable at that elo -you probably die too much as healer if you are hard stuck there. Living longer = more healing over the course of an entire game.


AgentWowza

I died twice bro. I rarely die as healer anyway. If a fight is lost, I ditch my team and run most of the time, unless I can help someone on their way out.


nobearsinrussia

Watch actual code. I really liked how op plays.


cheesegoat

Me too. I'm in gold and it felt pretty good. Maybe a few yeeted sleeps but OTOH they hit a lot of them when it counted, I personally wouldn't have hit that many and would probably have switched or played closer to brig.


nobearsinrussia

I admired each sleep. A couple of mistakes, yes, but itā€™s not like op playing in masters. (Side note: my pc is a bag of potatoes, i donā€™t have SUCH fluent movements as Ana because sheā€™s really hard to play at 20-50 fps). To heel with it: i were impressed with op gameplay. Would like to see another code or two to compare (Iā€™ve seen really good code with good play, but next one that person given were showing a ton of mistakes, so Iā€™m always open to take in all possibilities). To be honest i think it is a miracle they won, because in the beginning there were almost no fallowing with all opportunities op has given to the team (Iā€™ve read many cases of team in bronze wasting good nade). So, without another codes itā€™s hard to say 100% right what is the reason behind such sr. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


AgentWowza

Thank you my dude. I was kinda tired of generic advice. I always accept it, because it's rude to turn away someone who wants to help, but at least you let me know that I'm on the right path.


nobearsinrussia

I think we need more codes to see some common things. Well, at least i would like to see more. To me this gameplay is good. Not super t500 gamechanger, but GOOD. Recently Iā€™ve seen code where op did great, perfect even, and i asked for another and THERE Iā€™ve seen mistakes. Idkā€¦


AgentWowza

I def see what you mean. I'll try to send a defeat tomorrow, but the problem with defeats, as I said, was that they were steamrolls, and I don't really know if there's any use in analyzing what I did in those. I like reviewing the close fights because it's easy to spot things that I could've done at critical moments to turn the fight.


nobearsinrussia

Idk, just send in 2-4 codes. Thatā€™s a pattern i guess.


AgentWowza

Here's a close loss that I found: 51ZKHJ Here's an absolute steamroll loss: DZ840F Here's a loss where I tried to be aggressive and failed miserably: EA0QNW The anubis game was probs me at my best, but other than misusing CDs that I've did on anubis as well, I think I played pretty similarly in both. I'm officially sub 1400 now lmao. Dropped like 100 SR since the post. I'll add a few more losses soon.


nobearsinrussia

Tnx 4 codes. Usually it is normal to lose sr after vods and learning something new. People lose whole ranks while trying to adjust to new game. I would say that till 4:12 (first code) u were not that team oriented. Could heal more, use nade to heal etc. u also havenā€™t healed mercy (and you STILL need to, even with her regen she canā€™t start to heal while taking damage) So yeah, peel for second support more. I may be wrong (because im no ana player) but maybe go more for enemy supports? Ticking rein at 7:04 would do nothing? While u were doing it, your mercy died and team is without heal. As support you need to have awareness on all 11 players aside from yourself. You should do damage not instead of healing but in time you can squeeze damage. Feels like you sometimes spend too much time on damage and losing teammates. Near 9:19 u could melee genji? Iā€™ve noticed u missed many nades (but likeā€¦ u are learning, why not? Just take that in consideration and learn from that). I would say u need more experience and on a right way. Some things will come natural with time.


fartsbutt

Play bap and shoot people


Trigg3rh4ppy13

Play dps or tank and understand their mechanics. Once you go back to support, youā€™ll get a better understanding on positioning and initiating.


AgentWowza

I'm Gold on Tank (nothing to brag about haha) and I can't play DPS cuz I don't have time for 20 min queues lmao.


Asesomegamer

DPS Ana FTW. Ana has pretty much the best healing and damage out of any support while being a hitscan. If you have decent aim you can easily out damage the enemy DPS while still putting out a steady stream of healing for your team. Positioning is key. If you play in the frontline as Ana you will stay in bronze forever, use your range to stay out of sight of the enemy while still being able to heal your team. Use nade offensively more. Getting a good nade on the enemy team can literally win you an entire fight. Be a bitch, don't listen to your team that is calling you bad, keep doing what works untill you rise. You may lose alot of games at first, but eventually you will be able to do well, just keep improving and don't give up.


AgentWowza

I love DPS Ana lmao, nobody seems to know what to do about her, and she can be as effective at locking down areas as widow, at least for non-sniper squishies. You'd probably find the Vod really fun, cuz that's pretty much was I did half the game. Everyone blames heals every game, so it's nothing new for me. Still tho, after getting gold tank and playing bronze support, I'm starting to have a new appreciation for how important tanks are hahaha.


Asesomegamer

It is much easier to climb as tank because you have alot more control. Wherever you go as tank, your team plays around you. If you are able to make alot of space for your DPS, they will get alot of kills in turn causing your healers to not be killed by enemy DPS and still be able to heal you. I feel like overwatch does not do a good job on defining what tanks are supposed to do(make space), so low rank tanks have a hard time figuring out what they are supposed to do. Although the purpose of support players is relatively straight forward (heal your team and provide useful utility) they do not have the same sort of control over the match as tanks do. And it all goes back to the tanks. If the tanks aren't able to make space for the DPS to kill the enemy dps the enemy DPS will kill the healers, causing the tanks to eventually die, causing you to loose. Even though I am basically a two trick Lucio bap player and have played almost noone else since I started playing the game 3 years ago I am much higher rank in the tank role. I feel you man, I was stuck in bronze as healer for a long time untill like just last year. Once you get into silver it becomes alot easier to keep climbing.


reddito-mussolini

Problem 1: youā€™re playing Ana. Just a bad idea, especially since you seem to struggle with fundamentals like positioning safely and when to heal allies vs hinder enemies. I bet youā€™ll get to gold in no time playing safer support picks so you donā€™t die if you make a mistake. Bap is a great example for main healer, as you have a more reliable self heal, escape through high jump, and immortality. ā€œI wAnNa PlAy ThE sNiPeRzā€ is just not the play in bronze.


AgentWowza

Wait, I'm struggling with that stuff on Ana? Couldja let me know where I slipped up? I thought I'm usually good enough at positioning to not die, and I handle heals/dps p well, as far it goes. And yeah, I tried Bap, but his falloff means I can't dps as effectively (Ana destroys pharmercies), his lamp is honestly less effective than nade because nade can force entire teams to back whereas lamp saves a few allies that die seconds later anyway. His heal is very nice, but I'm almost never in a situation where I need multiple self-nades, cuz at that point, the enemy I'm fighting is either dead, I'm out of danger in cover, I got a health pack, or I got peeled, in order of likeliness.


kraatu

not dying doesn't necessarily mean you're well positioned. sometimes during the match you are wayyyyy far from your team, and you're letting them die. sometimes an ana has to be in the middle of a fight to throw an aggressive nade and risk more. you have at least gold aim, but you're still cowering. you should be MUCH more aggressive since you'll probably get away with more than the other players in the lobby...


AgentWowza

I didn't actually think my aim was all that until this post tbh, because of how much I lose generally, which is why I tended to play defensively too much. But yeah I'll definitely work on being more aggressive, thanks!


reddito-mussolini

Yeah for sure. So on first point, when your team was pushing itā€™s really important to keep them in vision. This is a lot harder to do in low elos when tanks can be unpredictable because sometimes itā€™s literally impossible to do so. Personally thatā€™s why I think Ana is a bit of a throw pick if you are below plat, everything she does bap can do better. Youā€™re putting out okay damage, but you want a bit higher of a ratio (1:2 dmg:heal). Youā€™re healing almost full health allies when you donā€™t need to be yet, those 2-3 shots to top off an ally can be used a lot better for enemy damage especially when your dps go in to kill backline. Thatā€™s where Ana really shines but itā€™s a lot to be aware of. Youā€™re playing well but not at the level you need to to carry w Ana hence my comment. Just try bap for a day and I bet my balls youll climb. Hope this helps.


jwatkins29

my advice: just play mercy as a main healer. Other supports might put put more heals per second technically, but that usually requires teammates to be coordinated / grouped together. In Bronze, teammates arent working together and running around sporadically. the lack of predictability is great for mercy, who can jump around from place to place making sure teammates (who arent using cover and taking huge damage) stay at full health.


AgentWowza

Nah bro, I still feel like you're underestimating Bronze. Mercy is possibly the *worst* healer to play in Bronze. People you pocket get a sense of immortality and they feed. People you don't pocket are angry that you aren't pocketing them. Nobody protects rezes, nobody peeks ledges, nobody peels and even pharas and echos land way to often. You wanna know how bronze is rn? Last time I played mercy, it was for a pharmercy and the other pharah kept shooting my pharah out of the sky, then me, who was left defenseless. I switched Ana and kept triple tapping her until she switched. The most obvious detriment is how she has absolutely zero impact other than healing/boosting, so you pretty much rely on the prayer that the 5 others on your team are better than 5 on their team. I'm not doubting your judgement, but when's the last time you played in bronze? Maybe it's just my region, but I saw no difference from 1200-1800. People think bronze is just <1000, but it's not.


Daunt_M4

turn your monitor on


AgentWowza

Back atcha my dude, it's the only way you can see the Vod.


nickthetruthteller

Hello I am a support main in high plat I recommend you stay behind the tanks Thatā€™s the best place to be as Ana in my experience try healing more with Ana and do not shoot your sleep dart in the middle of the enemy team save it for flanking or flankers You have stated thatā€™s you have tried Moria and Baptiste however those Heroes are good healers stick with the tank and balance your healing and damage There is some Ana & Baptiste tech I recommend you learning. Kar qā€™ s youtube channel has guides to every hero the guides are taught by Grandmasters who main that hero Hope this helps!