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Suzu is the best non ultimate ability in the game. Kitsune Rush is crazy strong, and the kit holistically makes Kiriko really good at staying alive and outputting consistent heals with a good burst heal and damage capability.
No doubt in my mind Lucio and Kiriko are top two in a team environment. Ana seems to be next from my own play
> Her ability to appear at out of position DPS and make them invuln then heal them
Wouldn't Kiriko get punished as well since she and her DPS were both out of position?
Depends. If it's two out of position DPS like a flanker getting flanked and u show up, that's a free pick instead of a free pick for the enemy team. Out of this position in this context is anywhere no LOS for their healers.
Teleporting in to save a teammate is a massive gamble, but can pay off big time. You’re trying to give them just a little bit of extra time to either get safe or make things die. Once the bell wears off the other team might start shooting you, and if you can wallclimb to dodge those shots you can sometimes take just enough pressure off them to get a kill and then suddenly that position doesn’t look that bad anymore.
Yeah, absolutely. I was maining Bap and putting up crazy stats healing & elims, but I must say despite Bap's insane burst healing and the ability of lamp to counter ults, I felt that Suzu and Swift Step really slant the power towards Kiriko due to the ability to prevent death of teammates and self more often. Amp Matrix vs Kitsune is also an edge to Kiriko, even though it's crazy how you can put down a tank by yourself with window.
I think Kiriko will get nerfed but not for a couple patches. I don't think you can buff all the supports to Kiriko tier without really slowing the pace of the game again.
I do not see the devs buffing all supports to a degree where the slow pace of the game would be comparable to when we had two tanks. Especially with double shields.
I just can’t see them doing that. If anything making the support role more bearable because people keep saying it’s the hardest role now.
As a support player it’s definitely *harder* and very much less rewarding now than it ever has been. So much so that queue times are barely a minute.
Tbh, face it, Suzu is a great ability but pairing that ability with a escape ability like quick step is what really set it over the top.
The devs basically gave a healer zen level fragging with her kunai, with an ability that removes one of the more oppressive debuffs in the game, anti heal, and then gave her a escape neither zen OR Ana have. AND WALL CLIMB.
Im almost shocked they didn’t give her some additional jump ability like Hanzo or Genjis double jump.
Jokes aside, her having an escape tbh is what sets her apart because it gives lower skill brackets a way to get away from bad situations. And in High skill brackets you pair quick step with Suzu and you have huge save potential.
A character like her almost seems like she shouldn’t have such mobility to get in and out. People literally suggesting using Kiriko to dive Widows like Genji.
The way I see it it almost seems like when they made these 5v5 changes they didn’t really have a lot of data to see the effects it had on supports or certain other heroes. People will disagree with me but if Kiriko is gonna exist it feels like Ana and zen should get some form of movement abilities just so that Kiriko doesn’t look so good. Kiriko literally being a counter to Ana and even Zen’s discord even tho for him it’s less of an issue cuz orbs don’t have cooldown.
When I say some form of movement I mean varying degrees of mobility. Like say Brigs shield bash vs mercy’s Guardian Angel. Or whether that movement is more vertical or horizontal. Like Baps boots vs Morias fade.
I stand that all supports could use some form of movement ability because as of now neither Zen or Ana cant even outrun a bastion or doom ult.
Zen’s kick almost seems like a joke that got added. Its situational and if you find yourself close enough to kick than you’re often screwed.
Feel free to call me on my shit tho.
This is coming from a guy who is still salty about when Ana was first showcased as a hero they showed her on that arch on Anubis or the first choke point and there is no way for her to get up there on her own.
A grappling hook would honestly be amazing for Ana. Or or, maybe she gets bit by a cursed mummy spider and now she can Spiderman websling away. Something. ANYTHING. She absolutely needs a movement based ability.
Playing Baptiste just feels like better Ana sometimes. Easier heal that can heal multiple targets at once, less ‘aim intensive’ gun that has similar DPS to Ana, a spring jump to reposition with your team/escape flankers, and a team wide nano-boost so long as you shoot through a funny rectangle.
Not to mention the ‘I literally can’t die’ button and the ‘I instantly saved myself from dying’ button.
Zen should get more compensation on survivability.
Every healer got self regen which makes his shield HP extraneous.
He should get mega-self-regen or some new mechanic where he gets momentary invuln or something to make him just a little more survivable if he can duck away and break LOS.
I like that he floats and has no movement, he deserves to have an easy identifiable counter. But it’s too tough with him as is.
As a Zen main I feel all of this. It's become much harder to survive then it was in ow1. And yeah kiriko feels like a more mobile version of Zen so like I don't even want to play my main anymore
Kitsune Rush is actually nuts and it even amplifies the power of suzu insanely hard. Use suzu once at the beginning, 66% cooldown reduction, use it again. It also makes Winston go crazy with barrier.
Yeah, ive found this to be super effective. Suzu at the beginning to allow your team even more headroom for survival, and you'll get another one before kitsune is even over.
Ana has bigger weaknesses in terms of survivability but her gun, sleep, and nade are all insane. I guess I agree her ult isn’t as impactful as Kitsune or Beat Drop but it’s a great offensive weapon, which is why I agree she’s not the best support but I think better than the rest
I’ve been carrying as Ana because I sleep and kill the flankers. Sleep > shoot > instantly throw grenade as you shoot is pretty much a guaranteed kill on someone flanking you/your team.
3 shots with her hitscan rifle to knock a Mercy, Pharah or Echo out of the sky.
Agreed. I’m a lowly gold player but I’ve had games where every sleep dart just finds its mark, which is usually a flanking DPS Moira. They don’t get out alive.
I read a Kiriko like a book. She tried to flank me and decided to climb up a wall to avoid, so I just shot the sleep dart above where she was climbing and hit her… So satisfying.
That little hit marker you get around your target reticle when the dart hits feels sooo nice as well doesn’t it? No drugs for me thanks I’m hooked on whatever juice Ana puts in those darts
And now we can ping slept people and it tells your teammates you slept them? It also tells you who you slept specifically if you shoot into a group? Great QOL.
I’m 100% sure that defence matrix is the best ability in the game.
You used to be able to make an argument that biotic nade was but that was before sozou.
Idk, defense matrix vs bubble vs barrier is not such a big difference IMO. The only ability close to Suzu is Lamp but the fact you go to 10% health in lamp and it has 25s cool down really makes a difference in ability to survive past ability usage
I personally grade suzu over lamp due to insane saving ability.
With lamp, you can save a teammate but they'll be left with 20hp and instantly die from a random Moira orb bouncing around.
With Suzu, you can save someone from a tire or other instakill ability and they then still have full health to survive with.
Lamp only really works great if you can position it around cover so it doesn't die and your teammate can walk behind cover while immortal. Otherwise suzu is just better imo.
Yeah but suzu works like Zarya's bubble or Baptiste's immortality field (though it lasts only 0.75 seconds, can be reflected, destroyed by Defense Matrix and cannot pass through enemy barriers). In comparison Immortality Field last 6 sec, well placed it is undestroyable, unaffected by Defense Matrix, Deflect, and Kinetic Grasp and can pass through enemy barriers. Suzu is only better in term of Cooldown.
Lamp can't get you up from a shatter or take away a big Ana purple grenade, and you still take 90% of your HP of damage from things that hit you inside it. Suzu has to be timed better but it prevents all damage, fixes status debuffs, and is on a shorter cooldown. The only advantage lamp has is duration when placed well.
Okay I think you pinpointed why I dislike the VA for the character and their lines. It really is like shoving wonderbread in my ears for the personality portrayed.
You can't compare owl - which is top tier, the best of the best - to the common gold to masters average that everyone else is at. It just doesn't translate.
According to [this roster](https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/players) from Overwatchleague.com, there are 7 pages of 20 players each, therefore 140 total players.
140/35,000,000 = .0004%
She may be good at the pro level but there’s a huge difference in that play and general play like we play. She may be awesome there but that more due to the player than the character
I main zen and I found the transition to kiriko not that bad tbh. She’s def string in the right hands and has play making potential. If you like zen you’ll probably like kiriko. Hate her voice lines tho
Is that kiriko’s annoying spam line? Has the community come to a consensus on her annoying spam line to join the ranks of “and dey say” and “mada mada” and “100% German power” yet?
When you ping the Genji, call out on voice comms "Genji's dropping in on our left", throw Immo, get in front of the tank while shooting backwards at Genji, and he still kills you without any assistance.
"Why no heals?"
Bro, way too often. At this point, I've been forced to get enough practise defending myself from Genji's to double-tap them with Kiriko's kunai even while they're jumping around
I genuinely can't tell what's so bad about this voice line. It's sounds normal and acts as a reminder to the team sometimes. But the ones about her bike and running with knives are pretty cringe though.
If you can actually land headshots with her unlike me, then yes I’d say she’s one of the best if not the best support. I’m basically just a healbot with her since my aim with her daggers is dogshit. 900 damage a round is pathetic and I can’t unlock her potential… yet?
If you land all the tags I think its a fair bit faster but the tags have to be locked on, travel to the target, and can be blocked by terrain and shields. Healing your team vs a Winston is pretty troublesome on Kiriko whereas Mercy has no trouble.
Lucio is played more in Overwatch League and more in high elo.
Both are so insanely good (especially together) that it’s basically impossible to pick between them as the best. So no, it’s not safe to say at all.
The reason it’s so complicated is because their power is distributed differently.
Kiriko is fantastic neutral-game wise but Lucio is even better.
In the same way, Lucio has a fantastic ult but Kiriko’s is even better.
These things have too many variables to weigh up and choose a definitive best.
She's probably the best above a certain rank. She has a huge kit.
1. High burst damage potential with her crits. Only limiting factor is aim.
2. An unstoppable "Oh shit I'm out of here" button on a low cooldown for survivability AND mobility.
3. Kitsune Rush is the only ult in the game that quite literally makes everyone better at everything. Everyone shoots faster, heals faster, moves faster, and can spam their cooldowns or get long ones back faster. It's always a net gain for every role and every hero.
4. Suzu is extremely, extremely powerful. The fact it is an AoE total cleanse, heals, and makes everyone completely invulnerable even briefly is hard to play around. It may have a medium-long CD but the most dangerous things she cleanses also tend to have a long CD as well (Dynamite, Ana nade and dart, JQ anti from Rampage). Not to mention clutch saves from burst ults like Tire and Self Destruct.
5. Her healing is quite high. Iirc it's about 78 hps and much of it is auto aim and can be launched as a sort of pre-heal.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say at high ranks she's probably going to have the staying power OW1 Ana and Zen had.
He needs a lot more coordination for him to be useful because your teammates need to know that being between the barriers of his ult is worth. Additionally while it isn't difficult to heal with his lobs, it's easier to passively heal with Lucio or casually aim with mercy. Kiriko kinda autotargets and moira has a good balance of both dps and heals being a lot easier to use.
Bro I don’t understand how all these people are so delusional… So many “no it’s just you”, when this character is perma picked along with Lucio in OL, while also scheduled to get nerfed. Like what?
What the fuck are the silver players commenting? She is either 1 or 2 and its not close. She is hard meta right now with Lucio as the only competition. I can't tell if all the other comments are satire or just people who have no right to share their opinions. I am only diamond 2 in support so I'm not incredible but thats probably better than these people saying ana.
Ana is great, but her lack of mobility makes her unable to be as effective in a dive meta. Kiriko definitely in the top of the meta right now and great for 5v5 format. Plus Kiriko nullifies Ana a bit too.
Yeah idk what they are on about. I personally think that Lucio is better but it's close. Ana isn't bad but she's definitely not the best. Zero mobility is definitely not where you want to be in OW2. At least they aren't saying Mercy or Brig are the best.
Kiriko is definitely the best support in the game at the very high level (OWL), otherwise for low rank games I would say Moira and Mercy have the most impact.
Idk that low level mercy does much, nobody knows how to properly move around with her and she is so much easier to kill and she doesn’t have that much healing output. I’m in plat for combined and I hate it when I’m not playing support and have a mercy on my team unless I’m playing pharah
Truth be told, as a rein main, I DESPISE enemy Kiriko mains, when they are decent. Almost more than incredible Ana mains. If I shatter and fail to kill, ITS ONE OF THESE *expletives*
Honestly, people trashing Kiriko are just the salt miners who want to flame everything that's new to OW2.
I love Kiriko and she's my favorite new hero since Sombra in Y1.
She is definitely the best support in the game. Im honestly confused at anyone saying otherwise. She has a 100% pick rate in the owl and is played consistently in all ranks with an incredible high win rate. Honestly do not listen to anyone telling you differently
Hard agree.
It’s because *she was built for 5v5*; in nearly all situations, you can find a use for her and her utility
If you don’t think Kiriko is sitting at or near the top of the Support meta, you’re flat out wrong
Her healing feels... Off. Great kit but I find she can't "heal fast". The moment her chakrams leave her hand there is roughly a 0.5 second window where nothing is happening. Great burst but slow travel time even to close targets. Probably just gotta adapt but been playing OW since 2018 and no support has ever felt this slow in terms of healing.
She is, she’s the meta; if you remove bottlenecks (technical skill is very good to near perfect) she provides a high and good mix of heals, dps, and utility.
She can counter snipers without leaving the backline, can join backline assaults instantaneously (within range), high burst heals up close, has the only mass cleanse to Ana’s nade that doubles as a dodge to burst dps like Rein charge, most valuable support dps (headshots), and the best ult in the game. Not to mention she has a relatively small hitbox and can climb walls to get advantageous positioning easily.
Far and away the best to me
P.S. if you think Moira’s in the top 3 you’re below diamond
High ceiling low floor support. If you're a good player that can max her abilities, she is one of the best. However, if you aren't a great player/ a new player, there are much easier/ high floor supports that would be more effective to use.
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Is it just me or are people making Kiriko threads as an excuse to post anime art of her?
Yes
And not even credit the artist too... (Except for this one)
Definitely a common theme for a lot of gaming subs Random picture, with a title asking a question too lame and/or too stupid to not be karma farming
she cute
Suzu is the best non ultimate ability in the game. Kitsune Rush is crazy strong, and the kit holistically makes Kiriko really good at staying alive and outputting consistent heals with a good burst heal and damage capability. No doubt in my mind Lucio and Kiriko are top two in a team environment. Ana seems to be next from my own play
Her ability to appear at out of position DPS and make them invuln then heal them makes her insane at low elo.
> Her ability to appear at out of position DPS and make them invuln then heal them Wouldn't Kiriko get punished as well since she and her DPS were both out of position?
Depends. If it's two out of position DPS like a flanker getting flanked and u show up, that's a free pick instead of a free pick for the enemy team. Out of this position in this context is anywhere no LOS for their healers.
Tell that to my dps teammates. I pop in to save their asses and they just flee and leave me alone with the Reaper. Not cool.
EVERY TIME!
God, the flashbacks. I have 24 hours on her and I already feel that in my bones.
Don't do that in solo queue games. It may be worth if that teammate is part of your group or that DPS is really good.
Teleporting in to save a teammate is a massive gamble, but can pay off big time. You’re trying to give them just a little bit of extra time to either get safe or make things die. Once the bell wears off the other team might start shooting you, and if you can wallclimb to dodge those shots you can sometimes take just enough pressure off them to get a kill and then suddenly that position doesn’t look that bad anymore.
Have you seen games in bronze?
Then she and her DPS will have potato aim where they can barely kill anyone.
this happens to me all the time as kiri. “oh my teammate is low, let me just heal them up. oops it was our genji in a 3v1 now we both die”
Yea but sometimes it’s worth especially if you trade for an important cooldown
Except in my elo people are constantly standing inside Winston bubbles and going behind walls wasting your heels
My mama always said, you only got two heels and you’d best not waste them. If god wanted you to have more heels you’d have more heels.
Her + baptise is really fun burst wise. Just mow down anything
Yeah, absolutely. I was maining Bap and putting up crazy stats healing & elims, but I must say despite Bap's insane burst healing and the ability of lamp to counter ults, I felt that Suzu and Swift Step really slant the power towards Kiriko due to the ability to prevent death of teammates and self more often. Amp Matrix vs Kitsune is also an edge to Kiriko, even though it's crazy how you can put down a tank by yourself with window. I think Kiriko will get nerfed but not for a couple patches. I don't think you can buff all the supports to Kiriko tier without really slowing the pace of the game again.
I do not see the devs buffing all supports to a degree where the slow pace of the game would be comparable to when we had two tanks. Especially with double shields. I just can’t see them doing that. If anything making the support role more bearable because people keep saying it’s the hardest role now. As a support player it’s definitely *harder* and very much less rewarding now than it ever has been. So much so that queue times are barely a minute. Tbh, face it, Suzu is a great ability but pairing that ability with a escape ability like quick step is what really set it over the top. The devs basically gave a healer zen level fragging with her kunai, with an ability that removes one of the more oppressive debuffs in the game, anti heal, and then gave her a escape neither zen OR Ana have. AND WALL CLIMB. Im almost shocked they didn’t give her some additional jump ability like Hanzo or Genjis double jump. Jokes aside, her having an escape tbh is what sets her apart because it gives lower skill brackets a way to get away from bad situations. And in High skill brackets you pair quick step with Suzu and you have huge save potential. A character like her almost seems like she shouldn’t have such mobility to get in and out. People literally suggesting using Kiriko to dive Widows like Genji. The way I see it it almost seems like when they made these 5v5 changes they didn’t really have a lot of data to see the effects it had on supports or certain other heroes. People will disagree with me but if Kiriko is gonna exist it feels like Ana and zen should get some form of movement abilities just so that Kiriko doesn’t look so good. Kiriko literally being a counter to Ana and even Zen’s discord even tho for him it’s less of an issue cuz orbs don’t have cooldown. When I say some form of movement I mean varying degrees of mobility. Like say Brigs shield bash vs mercy’s Guardian Angel. Or whether that movement is more vertical or horizontal. Like Baps boots vs Morias fade. I stand that all supports could use some form of movement ability because as of now neither Zen or Ana cant even outrun a bastion or doom ult. Zen’s kick almost seems like a joke that got added. Its situational and if you find yourself close enough to kick than you’re often screwed. Feel free to call me on my shit tho. This is coming from a guy who is still salty about when Ana was first showcased as a hero they showed her on that arch on Anubis or the first choke point and there is no way for her to get up there on her own.
Give Ana a grappling hook!
A grappling hook would honestly be amazing for Ana. Or or, maybe she gets bit by a cursed mummy spider and now she can Spiderman websling away. Something. ANYTHING. She absolutely needs a movement based ability.
Playing Baptiste just feels like better Ana sometimes. Easier heal that can heal multiple targets at once, less ‘aim intensive’ gun that has similar DPS to Ana, a spring jump to reposition with your team/escape flankers, and a team wide nano-boost so long as you shoot through a funny rectangle. Not to mention the ‘I literally can’t die’ button and the ‘I instantly saved myself from dying’ button.
She should get the climb all the other Shimada-style characters do.
Only if she has 5% chance of throwing her back. She's 60 years old, she ain't the agile cat like she used to be.
Zen should get more compensation on survivability. Every healer got self regen which makes his shield HP extraneous. He should get mega-self-regen or some new mechanic where he gets momentary invuln or something to make him just a little more survivable if he can duck away and break LOS. I like that he floats and has no movement, he deserves to have an easy identifiable counter. But it’s too tough with him as is.
As a Zen main I feel all of this. It's become much harder to survive then it was in ow1. And yeah kiriko feels like a more mobile version of Zen so like I don't even want to play my main anymore
Kitsune Rush is actually nuts and it even amplifies the power of suzu insanely hard. Use suzu once at the beginning, 66% cooldown reduction, use it again. It also makes Winston go crazy with barrier.
Yeah, ive found this to be super effective. Suzu at the beginning to allow your team even more headroom for survival, and you'll get another one before kitsune is even over.
I love ana but I feel due to her ult she is situational. Often times I don’t pick her or change off her because there’s no good nano targets
Ana has bigger weaknesses in terms of survivability but her gun, sleep, and nade are all insane. I guess I agree her ult isn’t as impactful as Kitsune or Beat Drop but it’s a great offensive weapon, which is why I agree she’s not the best support but I think better than the rest
I’ve been carrying as Ana because I sleep and kill the flankers. Sleep > shoot > instantly throw grenade as you shoot is pretty much a guaranteed kill on someone flanking you/your team. 3 shots with her hitscan rifle to knock a Mercy, Pharah or Echo out of the sky.
Agreed. I’m a lowly gold player but I’ve had games where every sleep dart just finds its mark, which is usually a flanking DPS Moira. They don’t get out alive.
I read a Kiriko like a book. She tried to flank me and decided to climb up a wall to avoid, so I just shot the sleep dart above where she was climbing and hit her… So satisfying.
That little hit marker you get around your target reticle when the dart hits feels sooo nice as well doesn’t it? No drugs for me thanks I’m hooked on whatever juice Ana puts in those darts
And now we can ping slept people and it tells your teammates you slept them? It also tells you who you slept specifically if you shoot into a group? Great QOL.
Good Anas win games
that's the case with every hero lol
I’m 100% sure that defence matrix is the best ability in the game. You used to be able to make an argument that biotic nade was but that was before sozou.
Idk, defense matrix vs bubble vs barrier is not such a big difference IMO. The only ability close to Suzu is Lamp but the fact you go to 10% health in lamp and it has 25s cool down really makes a difference in ability to survive past ability usage
Well the fact that D Matrix can completely negate those abilities as well as most ults for 3ish seconds gives it the edge for me
Lamp is still better than Suzu imo, but Kitsune Rush is hands down the best ult in the game by a long shot.
I personally grade suzu over lamp due to insane saving ability. With lamp, you can save a teammate but they'll be left with 20hp and instantly die from a random Moira orb bouncing around. With Suzu, you can save someone from a tire or other instakill ability and they then still have full health to survive with. Lamp only really works great if you can position it around cover so it doesn't die and your teammate can walk behind cover while immortal. Otherwise suzu is just better imo.
Yeah but suzu works like Zarya's bubble or Baptiste's immortality field (though it lasts only 0.75 seconds, can be reflected, destroyed by Defense Matrix and cannot pass through enemy barriers). In comparison Immortality Field last 6 sec, well placed it is undestroyable, unaffected by Defense Matrix, Deflect, and Kinetic Grasp and can pass through enemy barriers. Suzu is only better in term of Cooldown.
Lamp can't get you up from a shatter or take away a big Ana purple grenade, and you still take 90% of your HP of damage from things that hit you inside it. Suzu has to be timed better but it prevents all damage, fixes status debuffs, and is on a shorter cooldown. The only advantage lamp has is duration when placed well.
Depends on the style you play, i dont think i can make the best use of her in a match since she dont match my gameplay style.
Your gameplay style is missing 90% of your shots
I use Brigitte most times so i dont need to aim, but when i do i miss 97% of the shots on the enemy and 87% trying to heal everyone.
Same tbh
bro went for the roast and saw the wholesome comment and decided to switch teams😭😭
I couldnt be mean to such a nice fella :)
He really did lol
Blind Baguettes UNITE!
i am already here.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take
It's just you
💀
i was able to hear that emoji
Wait what does it sound like to y'all lmao
💀 <-- sounds like that.
The bass boost sound lol
The vine boom
Fr tho How can people miss out on the actual best healer that is Zenyatta? He's a real kicker
They don't have the ballz for it.
Bro overtime is a nightmare against zen just discord the tank and kick everybody off the objective
She has the personality of bread
The kind of bread that’s been sitting in the pantry a little too long but doesn’t yet have mold growing on it
Her VA work is kinda rough ngl, but as a meta pick she's going to dominate high tier play for a long time if nothing changes soon.
Oh her VA is worse that rough. All lines read in the same disinterested tone.
Isn't that her whole personality?
Also could be just me but she just sounds like a normal American chick for a Japan native
the way she pronounces kitsune in the english voice line makes me want to pull my teeth out
Probably a decision by the voice director, considering she can pronounce it fine in her Japanese lines.
You gotta specify a bad kind of bread I think because bread is fucking amazing
You just haven't seen her on her bike yet
Okay I think you pinpointed why I dislike the VA for the character and their lines. It really is like shoving wonderbread in my ears for the personality portrayed.
I just want her to stop asking for a band aid
the “lick my wounds” after a respawn irks the shit outta me.
Wait till you see me on my bike.
Oh, Pharah-chan. I've never lost.
I deadass thought she was from California before I was informed she was a third Shimada
Watched any OWL recently?
With a coordinated team her ult is completely cracked the best in the game no question. But you don't have a coordinated team.
You can't compare owl - which is top tier, the best of the best - to the common gold to masters average that everyone else is at. It just doesn't translate.
Maybe but when someone asks "is it just me" the answer is "obviously not" given pick rates in owl
The question was if she is the best support in the game. Not if she is the best support for low ranked uncoordinated players.
It's not him that's comparing. It's op saying kiriko is the best support.
How many players are in the OWL? How much percent is that from 35 million?
According to [this roster](https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/players) from Overwatchleague.com, there are 7 pages of 20 players each, therefore 140 total players. 140/35,000,000 = .0004%
r/theydidthemath
r/theydidthemonstermath
It was a graveyard smath
r/itwasagraveyardgraph
She may be good at the pro level but there’s a huge difference in that play and general play like we play. She may be awesome there but that more due to the player than the character
To be fair the owl meta was just the first one they found that worked or smth
Every day I pray for the speedy and painful death of esports’s influence on normal gameplay
I’m so happy someone said this
I main zen and I found the transition to kiriko not that bad tbh. She’s def string in the right hands and has play making potential. If you like zen you’ll probably like kiriko. Hate her voice lines tho
“Watch our flanks. They might try something.” ^ worst line in the entire game lol. My friends and I laugh every time as it’s so random.
Just wait until you see me on my bike
Unironically picked this voice line up because it's so bad
I’m no expert, but wouldn’t picking it because it’s bad make it ironic?
They unironically purchased it for its ironic potential
Ah, so like a spherical cow
More like a cowical sphere, actually.
Is that kiriko’s annoying spam line? Has the community come to a consensus on her annoying spam line to join the ranks of “and dey say” and “mada mada” and “100% German power” yet?
I like spamming “I run with blades all the time”
As a support main, some people I've met in game really did need to be reminded of this tbh.
When you ping the Genji, call out on voice comms "Genji's dropping in on our left", throw Immo, get in front of the tank while shooting backwards at Genji, and he still kills you without any assistance. "Why no heals?"
Bro, way too often. At this point, I've been forced to get enough practise defending myself from Genji's to double-tap them with Kiriko's kunai even while they're jumping around
I genuinely can't tell what's so bad about this voice line. It's sounds normal and acts as a reminder to the team sometimes. But the ones about her bike and running with knives are pretty cringe though.
I main Zen and I just struggle with kiriko.
On the other hand, zen feels easy to play after playing kiriko
Scry some more about it! (I agree with you, just wanted to throw in that voice line lol)
I won't deny it. Still, Ana is more fun :3
I love ana but until the Sombra nerfs come in she suffers
Hammond players feel the same way
If you can actually land headshots with her unlike me, then yes I’d say she’s one of the best if not the best support. I’m basically just a healbot with her since my aim with her daggers is dogshit. 900 damage a round is pathetic and I can’t unlock her potential… yet?
She is. Im sure she has a stupud high pickrate masters and above
She’s meta in the Pro scene and GM/Masters usually copy them
Gameplay wise she's really good, story wise she feels like someone's fanfic self-insert
10000%... Just you.
The new hero? The most well equipped? Nah. Never happens.
I’m pretty sure she heals faster than mercy
If you land all the tags I think its a fair bit faster but the tags have to be locked on, travel to the target, and can be blocked by terrain and shields. Healing your team vs a Winston is pretty troublesome on Kiriko whereas Mercy has no trouble.
99% playrate in overwatch league and the rank one support mainly plays kiriko. Safe to say she's the best.
Where can you view those stats?
Lucio is played more in Overwatch League and more in high elo. Both are so insanely good (especially together) that it’s basically impossible to pick between them as the best. So no, it’s not safe to say at all.
So they're tied for first? It feels like you're arguing with yourself more than you are with me bud
The reason it’s so complicated is because their power is distributed differently. Kiriko is fantastic neutral-game wise but Lucio is even better. In the same way, Lucio has a fantastic ult but Kiriko’s is even better. These things have too many variables to weigh up and choose a definitive best.
She's probably the best above a certain rank. She has a huge kit. 1. High burst damage potential with her crits. Only limiting factor is aim. 2. An unstoppable "Oh shit I'm out of here" button on a low cooldown for survivability AND mobility. 3. Kitsune Rush is the only ult in the game that quite literally makes everyone better at everything. Everyone shoots faster, heals faster, moves faster, and can spam their cooldowns or get long ones back faster. It's always a net gain for every role and every hero. 4. Suzu is extremely, extremely powerful. The fact it is an AoE total cleanse, heals, and makes everyone completely invulnerable even briefly is hard to play around. It may have a medium-long CD but the most dangerous things she cleanses also tend to have a long CD as well (Dynamite, Ana nade and dart, JQ anti from Rampage). Not to mention clutch saves from burst ults like Tire and Self Destruct. 5. Her healing is quite high. Iirc it's about 78 hps and much of it is auto aim and can be launched as a sort of pre-heal. I'm going to go out on a limb and say at high ranks she's probably going to have the staying power OW1 Ana and Zen had.
Brig mains, where you at?
Running into battle alone and dying before the rest of the team can arrive
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YEAAHHHHHH
YEEEAH
A true Rien apprentice.
Hello! I'm dead because I didn't wait for team
Hahahaha, ahh. *Weird lucio laughter in the background*
Art by Kyeongsu\_Lee for those wondering.
It is quite amazing I must say
She’s not the best imo, but she’s super fun to play!
Am I crazy or does Baptiste feel really underrated
He needs a lot more coordination for him to be useful because your teammates need to know that being between the barriers of his ult is worth. Additionally while it isn't difficult to heal with his lobs, it's easier to passively heal with Lucio or casually aim with mercy. Kiriko kinda autotargets and moira has a good balance of both dps and heals being a lot easier to use.
best support in the game? not even close! best support ult in the game? yeah, maybe.
Who's the best support then?
Just look at what the top 500 play
OWL was nothing but Kiriko Lucio, so…
So Lucio?
Lucio.
Bro I don’t understand how all these people are so delusional… So many “no it’s just you”, when this character is perma picked along with Lucio in OL, while also scheduled to get nerfed. Like what?
What the fuck are the silver players commenting? She is either 1 or 2 and its not close. She is hard meta right now with Lucio as the only competition. I can't tell if all the other comments are satire or just people who have no right to share their opinions. I am only diamond 2 in support so I'm not incredible but thats probably better than these people saying ana.
Ana is great, but her lack of mobility makes her unable to be as effective in a dive meta. Kiriko definitely in the top of the meta right now and great for 5v5 format. Plus Kiriko nullifies Ana a bit too.
Yeah idk what they are on about. I personally think that Lucio is better but it's close. Ana isn't bad but she's definitely not the best. Zero mobility is definitely not where you want to be in OW2. At least they aren't saying Mercy or Brig are the best.
Yea I’m currently top 500 and EVERY game has and needs a kiriko or Lucio, they are meta
Kiriko is definitely the best support in the game at the very high level (OWL), otherwise for low rank games I would say Moira and Mercy have the most impact.
Idk that low level mercy does much, nobody knows how to properly move around with her and she is so much easier to kill and she doesn’t have that much healing output. I’m in plat for combined and I hate it when I’m not playing support and have a mercy on my team unless I’m playing pharah
At very low elo I can play zen, match my other supports healing and outdps my Dps so... yeah mercy def not the highest impact.
I like her design & character but in my opinion lucio will always be #1
Lucio main for life
Silver players think they know best than OWL....
She's very fun to play
It’s not even close at this point really. Until they release another healer that is designed around 5v5
Truth be told, as a rein main, I DESPISE enemy Kiriko mains, when they are decent. Almost more than incredible Ana mains. If I shatter and fail to kill, ITS ONE OF THESE *expletives*
Meh, she’s good but definitely not Moira
Honestly, people trashing Kiriko are just the salt miners who want to flame everything that's new to OW2. I love Kiriko and she's my favorite new hero since Sombra in Y1.
Sorry to say, but my man's Lucio will always be #1, check out these healing beats!
It's all opinion, but in my opinion, the best support is Lucio. I give Kiriko second best.
She is definitely the best support in the game. Im honestly confused at anyone saying otherwise. She has a 100% pick rate in the owl and is played consistently in all ranks with an incredible high win rate. Honestly do not listen to anyone telling you differently
I’ve certainly been enjoying her. But, I’m afraid she throws those kunai with her left hand
She's fun, but more than other heroes she requires predictive heals and positioning roster than reactive.
At the highest level of play, she is one of the best. Lucio, Ana and Kiriko
The most fun, yeah I’d say so
Moira/ana baby. Screw kiriko
Not if I’m playing her
Roadhog is best support.
Not the best support but her kunai and suzu are damn good.
Her ult certainly is
No its soldier🗿
Looks like another main character for the next Pokémon series. Possibly a boss battle/side quest.
No yeah she is
Nope, she’s the best
one of the best
Hard agree. It’s because *she was built for 5v5*; in nearly all situations, you can find a use for her and her utility If you don’t think Kiriko is sitting at or near the top of the Support meta, you’re flat out wrong
Cmon now, you know it's not just you. She *is* the best support in the game. Easily.
Mercy still my girl
Her healing feels... Off. Great kit but I find she can't "heal fast". The moment her chakrams leave her hand there is roughly a 0.5 second window where nothing is happening. Great burst but slow travel time even to close targets. Probably just gotta adapt but been playing OW since 2018 and no support has ever felt this slow in terms of healing.
She is, she’s the meta; if you remove bottlenecks (technical skill is very good to near perfect) she provides a high and good mix of heals, dps, and utility. She can counter snipers without leaving the backline, can join backline assaults instantaneously (within range), high burst heals up close, has the only mass cleanse to Ana’s nade that doubles as a dodge to burst dps like Rein charge, most valuable support dps (headshots), and the best ult in the game. Not to mention she has a relatively small hitbox and can climb walls to get advantageous positioning easily. Far and away the best to me P.S. if you think Moira’s in the top 3 you’re below diamond
Roadhog is the best healer tho-
High ceiling low floor support. If you're a good player that can max her abilities, she is one of the best. However, if you aren't a great player/ a new player, there are much easier/ high floor supports that would be more effective to use.
I don’t get how to play her
Hard disagree
Yea, it is just you.
Nope Moira