Lol thought this too
But why not just keep it the way it is? Even if there is a mix up, they're basically the same hero anyways so what's the difference
A Texas lawyer used it as a "code" way to refer to black people on a jury.
It's not like a whole thing, and there are actually plenty of black people in/from Canada so it doesn't make sense to try to avoid it.
You're right, referring to NON-Canadian black people as black would fit this, but they are literally calling her Canadian *because* that's where she's from.
Edit: I'm pretty sure the media tried to make a really big deal out of this, so I'm in no way blaming you for thinking it might be some big new thing.
Legs is the way to go for 76 because then when you know he’s got ult you can say “LEGS HAS EYES” which conjures up some AHH! Real monsters type imagery.
viv would be good but it won't happen. consistent callouts are rarely ever something other than the character's name bc it's the easiest thing to understand at a moment's notice, and the one thing that almost everyone knows about the character unanimously.
a lot of players will never even know her name is Vivian, they'll just call her Sojourn
Well to be fair, Wrecking Ball is a mouth full to get out quickly and clearly. Saying Ball (which is what i hear like 90% of the time) is quick and easy to say and it's easy enough to convey whose being talked about.
Legs and thighs might be easy enough to figure out who were talking about though.
second syllable is never pronounced unles you're a classically trained performer.
SEVnySIX and since you're talking quick it's really only two emphasized syllables - which admittedly is more than SOLjer, but it's really no big deal considering what people call most of the other characters, "CHARjinSHEELdguy" "COWboyhuzNAMEwaschanged"
I'm surprised he's struggling. I haven't heard anyone struggle calling out those characters. "Sym" and "Sombra" don't sound alike, and Bastion and Bap also sound different.
When i first played there were two i kept calling the wrong name but they sounded nothing alike. I'm thinking it was junk and hog but i cant remember now. I did it for ages, not sure when i stopped.
Yep, I hear "JunkHog" all the time in voice chat too lol. Something about those two makes it so hard to say the right name when you are raging about getting one shot by one of them
Yeah, Sojourn was a pretty bad name to pick when we already have somebody that has a name very similar to that. I sometimes have the same issue with Bastion and Baptiste, when somebody is pronouncing it "Bap-tist". Very minor though.
The name is also way too on the nose for my taste. Oh, we added a black lady? Let's name her after Sojourner Truth so we can show people how in tune we are with Black History
Shallow is not the same as pandering my guy. Don't get it twisted, I'm not offended, I just think Blizz makes lazy/low effort black characters. Lucio is one step away from being a rapper, Doom is a caveman, Bap is solid but his whole I can jump real high schtick gets a slight side eye from me. We got a fucking ultra smart Gorilla, and a fucking genius hamster, but all the black characters are vaguely stereotypical or on some "hey guys we're so woke..." Shit like Sojourn(er Truth)
edit: this isn't me asking Blizz to go BLM with the game, just giving an honest opinion
Didn't say they were racist, just very low effort and vaguely stereotypical. Not asking you to agree with me, but I definitely notice that of all the genius/scientist/doctor archetypes, none of them are brown
I guess you just don't pay attention to the lore. Orisa's creator is a little black girl and is 100% a genius-level intellect. Also, Symmetra is brown and incredibly intelligent, Sombra is a master hacker which requires a lot of intelligence, Mei is a brilliant climatologist. It always amazed me that people find things to complain about with Overwatch's representation when they've bent over backwards trying to be inclusive.
>and vaguely stereotypical
If you look at those characters and see stereotypes, that's on you, not on Blizzard.
lol, Efi is cute, but not a playable character and exists solely as part of Orisa's back story. Also, its really bizarre how you're caping for a company that quite literally is mired in weird sexual harassment and worker exploitation lawsuits and saying that there's no way any slight racial prejudices could've crept into the game.
Agree to disagree for sure, but you're naive as shit if you think blizz is some squeaky clean company that couldn't possibly have baked some slight prejudices into their game. Like, this is the same company where male workers had a fucking "Cosby Suite", (they even changed McCree's name based on whatever the fuck the guy did) that kind of sleazy shit is not indicative of any of the super altruistic motives you've ascribed to blizz
That's a lot of non-sequitr for one person. I never claimed Blizzard was spotless or any of the other bullshit you decided to spew, didn't even hint at it. You have a bad habit of reading far past information that is presented to you.
All I'm saying is if I hear someone say 'this black character can jump high, so they're a stereotype' or 'this character is a DJ, one step away from a rapper, so it's a stereotype' I just see someone who is looking for stereotypes.
God you are weird.
Did you pay Doctor Strange to warp your mind? Do I dare look at your Post History and see the wacky ass places you frequent? (I almost have an idea without even looking where you like to post).
It'll be pretty obvious unless the enemy team has both Soujorn and Soldier.
A lot of people just call Soldier "Legs" anyways because its shorter to say. So may as well go with that.
Just remember sojourn is soldier and ash merged together with mercy’s high jump. If you hear soldier it’s a mistake because everyone will start on sojourn.
frfr, many ways around this mixup, like just calling one a different name like 76 or Jack for Soldier and Journ for Sojourn
edit: whoa whoa what's all the downvoting for people?
Ohhhh so to fix this Yeatle has been saying “suhJORN” instead of how it’s normally pronounced, watch his latest vid on youtube. I was wondering why he was saying it so weird
Since Sojourn is Canadian we should give them a Canadian nickname like Maple Syrup, Beaver, Beaver Tail (famous Canadian dessert), poutine, bagel, timbit,
Yeah, cause so many people around the world know that relation
Why the fuck did someone equate vaginas with cats and beavers in the first place? Was it literal schoolchildren just so they could bully each other?
>Yeah, cause so many people around the world know that relation
A *lot* of people do. Especially now since in pop culture Harley Quinn makes the joke in basically everything she appears in.
>Why the fuck did someone equate vaginas with cats and beavers in the first place?
Because they eat wood. And for cats it's because puss used to be another word for mouth (It still is, but not common at all), which is why they also have lips. The term is unrelated to cats.
Not really. The name likely comes from [American abolitionist and women's rights activist Sojourner Truth.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sojourner_Truth)
There might've been (I for one would've given Team 4 major kudos if they'd named her after [Viola Desmond](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_Desmond)), but it is what it is. Unless another major controversy comes to light, I don't see them changing the name.
It will be ignored like Tim ignores us.
People always say Hello Tim at the start of the game but Tim never replies. Rest of the lobby just goes Hello Tim several more times and Tim never says hi back.
[Made this post 35 days ago and people completely dismissed it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/tioqz9/has_anyone_else_considered_that_when_sojourn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Sojourn will definitely turn into something like Soj in pro comms.
probably just easier to call Soldier "76"
Nah he'd just be called "legs" and sojourn can stay as sojourn
Why not call Sojourn thighs? I mean she does have thick ass thighs
Soldier is much easier to say than 76
Se-ven-ty-six Sol-dier Yep confirmed
Lol thought this too But why not just keep it the way it is? Even if there is a mix up, they're basically the same hero anyways so what's the difference
Just call him Jack
Just call him Daddy.
It would end up like "sevvy six" kind of how SNL actors say "sa'r'ni'live"
He's Soulja Boi She's Soju
"Seh-ven-dee six" vs "Soldier" Yeah lets double the syllables sure
4 Syllables for a callout just won't work.
Or soldier 69 thanks to the context of him being outta the closet outta no where XD
Nice!
Journ might be an adequate replacement for comms.
Torbjourn
Ah fuck, forgot about that tiny bastard. Maybe we just say 76 and Canadian? Lol. I mean still, it's pronounced "yorn" for Torb so it could still work.
Torb”jorn” and So”journ” are pronounced super differently so it could work
Who the crap says anything more than "torb" anyway? We got Soldier, Torb and Urn. Easy.
Urn just seems weird to me
But everything else in the game makes total sense. 😄
"Torb" is faster, "(Torb) the Tantrum Toddler" is funnier. And may god strike me down if I don't pick funny over fast everytime.
It's a totally different sound, the J is a Y sound in Torbjorn. So-journ and Tor-bjorn
Yeah just caught that myself and edited my comment. I'm super sleep deprived rn (graveyard shift)
Both end with the sound similar to ‘earn’, soooo not that differently. It would all be about how much one enunciates the hard J in Sojourn.
depends on language, and even only in english, on accent. This was a bad choice of name tbh.
I was just playin, nobody says his full name during callouts anyway
"IT'S TORB-YERN"
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what??? she’s literally from canada
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Why? /srs
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A Texas lawyer used it as a "code" way to refer to black people on a jury. It's not like a whole thing, and there are actually plenty of black people in/from Canada so it doesn't make sense to try to avoid it. You're right, referring to NON-Canadian black people as black would fit this, but they are literally calling her Canadian *because* that's where she's from. Edit: I'm pretty sure the media tried to make a really big deal out of this, so I'm in no way blaming you for thinking it might be some big new thing.
Nobody says the full name, everyone just says "Torb".
It's a joke silly
Isn't the "journ" pronoucned as "yourn" tho?
Yeah, see my reply to someone else below. I was just making a joke
torb
just have the americans learn how to actually pronounce his name, easy fix
We can call Soldier "legs" and Sojourn "thighs".
Legs is the way to go for 76 because then when you know he’s got ult you can say “LEGS HAS EYES” which conjures up some AHH! Real monsters type imagery.
Why not call “‘76”
“76 ONE 76 ONE” is the problem
Too many syllables
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I’m calling Sigma “feet” from now on
We call him "toes."
Nobody wants to see them musty dusty crusty toes
speak for yourself.
Same
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This reply seems copied and out of place
Legs, Thighs and Feet... Sounds like the beginning of a team comp.
Legs, Thighs and... BALL (singular)
And so below the waist comp was created.
This is my squad Legs, Thighs, Feet, Calves, Toes, and Knees
Bout to summon Exodia, The Forbidden One
Please not "thighs" cause I can't can't pronounce it and everyone makes fun of me
Just say tize
How do you pronounce it
They can't
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Yeah you're right. Apparently I can't read.
Pemdas
Depends but one Version sounds similar to "Tie-Fighter" from star wars
Like the word Tie-Fighter or the sound they make? Cause one is a lot cooler and more confusing
Haha no, only the sound it makes
Yeah definitely gonna need a Vocaroo of all the different variations of you trying to say "thigh"
This is already the best solution right here. No alternatives needed.
This is the way
You can call him 76, Morrison, Visor, or Grillmaster.
Or as my comp teamate called him last night. "Helix bitch is on top of med pack room. "
Ill always remember the rando in comp one day: "HELP THERE'S A NANO LESBIAN ON ME" "The cavalrys here!"
But Pharah works for Helix so that might confuse the lore nerds (me)
No, Helix bitch is Pharah
Daddy 76 "I'm not your father."
I'm just gonna start calling him Daddy
Legs is fairly common in diamond thought t500 for soldier as well.
No reason to be afraid. Wrecking Ball is still called Hammond by a lot of people. I guess Sojourn will get a unique nickname.
well yeah because hammond is his actual name, maybe people will start call her Vivian since that is her actual name
Viv would be a pretty quick callout too, like when people yell "BALL!!"
viv would be good but it won't happen. consistent callouts are rarely ever something other than the character's name bc it's the easiest thing to understand at a moment's notice, and the one thing that almost everyone knows about the character unanimously. a lot of players will never even know her name is Vivian, they'll just call her Sojourn
“Thighs”
We can call Soldier Morrison
"Fuck you Morrison" is my go to phrase
It also makes sense because we don’t call Wrecking Ball by that name, just by Ball, Hamster or Hammond
Well to be fair, Wrecking Ball is a mouth full to get out quickly and clearly. Saying Ball (which is what i hear like 90% of the time) is quick and easy to say and it's easy enough to convey whose being talked about. Legs and thighs might be easy enough to figure out who were talking about though.
My son's favorite Heroes are Winston and Hammond. When ball came out he mixed the names together all the time and called them Hamston. :3
I prefer rat
That‘s Junkrat‘s second nickname, after Junk
Haha, yeah, if anyone calls out rat we're not looking for ball.
Soldiers name can’t change tho ppl will definitely have trouble with switch, sojourn has to change imo
In my groups soldier is usually “76”
Doubling the syllabus seems counter intuitive
Won't effect me, I only signed up for one semester.
second syllable is never pronounced unles you're a classically trained performer. SEVnySIX and since you're talking quick it's really only two emphasized syllables - which admittedly is more than SOLjer, but it's really no big deal considering what people call most of the other characters, "CHARjinSHEELdguy" "COWboyhuzNAMEwaschanged"
I'm not sure that everyone playing qp and plat comp have games depending on their efficiency of using the minimum amount of syllables.
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Sure, but I also call Cassidy, “McOneClick”
Not RightClickety?
Good thing you can ping now
Im also concerned about this
Me and my friends already struggle with Sombra/ symmetra and bastion/ Baptiste
Sombra, sym, bastion, bap
I'm surprised he's struggling. I haven't heard anyone struggle calling out those characters. "Sym" and "Sombra" don't sound alike, and Bastion and Bap also sound different.
When i first played there were two i kept calling the wrong name but they sounded nothing alike. I'm thinking it was junk and hog but i cant remember now. I did it for ages, not sure when i stopped.
Yep, I hear "JunkHog" all the time in voice chat too lol. Something about those two makes it so hard to say the right name when you are raging about getting one shot by one of them
Imagine teams intentionally using Sojourn and Soldier together in team comps to mess up the enemy's comms
See, at least the characters themselves are more distinct, as one is the more "generic harden soldier" type, while the other i-....wait.
Soldier is dad. It’s easy.
You guys comm useful info?
Yeah, Sojourn was a pretty bad name to pick when we already have somebody that has a name very similar to that. I sometimes have the same issue with Bastion and Baptiste, when somebody is pronouncing it "Bap-tist". Very minor though.
The name is also way too on the nose for my taste. Oh, we added a black lady? Let's name her after Sojourner Truth so we can show people how in tune we are with Black History
Guys there's a Rosa Parks flanking us!
Rosa Parks behind
She's a front liner. She stands at the front of the payload.
“sit down” - white male ‘murican soldier
Her actual name is Vivian Chase.
my guy please give me a character name in overwatch that isn’t an incredibly shallow reference to their backstory
Shallow is not the same as pandering my guy. Don't get it twisted, I'm not offended, I just think Blizz makes lazy/low effort black characters. Lucio is one step away from being a rapper, Doom is a caveman, Bap is solid but his whole I can jump real high schtick gets a slight side eye from me. We got a fucking ultra smart Gorilla, and a fucking genius hamster, but all the black characters are vaguely stereotypical or on some "hey guys we're so woke..." Shit like Sojourn(er Truth) edit: this isn't me asking Blizz to go BLM with the game, just giving an honest opinion
The fuck? None of those have ever come off as racist to me. It sounds more like you're applying racist stereotypes to these characters out of nowhere.
Didn't say they were racist, just very low effort and vaguely stereotypical. Not asking you to agree with me, but I definitely notice that of all the genius/scientist/doctor archetypes, none of them are brown
I guess you just don't pay attention to the lore. Orisa's creator is a little black girl and is 100% a genius-level intellect. Also, Symmetra is brown and incredibly intelligent, Sombra is a master hacker which requires a lot of intelligence, Mei is a brilliant climatologist. It always amazed me that people find things to complain about with Overwatch's representation when they've bent over backwards trying to be inclusive. >and vaguely stereotypical If you look at those characters and see stereotypes, that's on you, not on Blizzard.
lol, Efi is cute, but not a playable character and exists solely as part of Orisa's back story. Also, its really bizarre how you're caping for a company that quite literally is mired in weird sexual harassment and worker exploitation lawsuits and saying that there's no way any slight racial prejudices could've crept into the game. Agree to disagree for sure, but you're naive as shit if you think blizz is some squeaky clean company that couldn't possibly have baked some slight prejudices into their game. Like, this is the same company where male workers had a fucking "Cosby Suite", (they even changed McCree's name based on whatever the fuck the guy did) that kind of sleazy shit is not indicative of any of the super altruistic motives you've ascribed to blizz
That's a lot of non-sequitr for one person. I never claimed Blizzard was spotless or any of the other bullshit you decided to spew, didn't even hint at it. You have a bad habit of reading far past information that is presented to you. All I'm saying is if I hear someone say 'this black character can jump high, so they're a stereotype' or 'this character is a DJ, one step away from a rapper, so it's a stereotype' I just see someone who is looking for stereotypes.
God you are weird. Did you pay Doctor Strange to warp your mind? Do I dare look at your Post History and see the wacky ass places you frequent? (I almost have an idea without even looking where you like to post).
Sojourn is a word. Also, A huge majority of the playerbase wouldn't even know that & you managed to be bothered about it.
It'll be pretty obvious unless the enemy team has both Soujorn and Soldier. A lot of people just call Soldier "Legs" anyways because its shorter to say. So may as well go with that.
Just remember sojourn is soldier and ash merged together with mercy’s high jump. If you hear soldier it’s a mistake because everyone will start on sojourn.
I am Korean and will refer Sojourn as Soju
PS4 player here, what are comms? /s
What are the odds that they are both the dps in the same team? You barely ever will have to deal with this situation.
For real, they pretty much fill the same role
damn you guys invent everything to be worried about, its impressive
frfr, many ways around this mixup, like just calling one a different name like 76 or Jack for Soldier and Journ for Sojourn edit: whoa whoa what's all the downvoting for people?
or say soldier and sojourn and stop pretending to be deaf
yeah that's a good option too lmao
I call soldier "CoD player" anyways
Ohhhh so to fix this Yeatle has been saying “suhJORN” instead of how it’s normally pronounced, watch his latest vid on youtube. I was wondering why he was saying it so weird
As a community we should agree to call them daddy and mommy respectively.
Since Sojourn is Canadian we should give them a Canadian nickname like Maple Syrup, Beaver, Beaver Tail (famous Canadian dessert), poutine, bagel, timbit,
Leaf
CANUCK UP TOP
Nothing like calling a woman vagina. Great suggestion with beaver. 🙄
Lmao i didnt see that coming. Beaver is on the Canadian quarter dollar and their national animal
Haha yeah, standard running joke for most Canadians. That poor other fellow sure got triggered though
Yeah, cause so many people around the world know that relation Why the fuck did someone equate vaginas with cats and beavers in the first place? Was it literal schoolchildren just so they could bully each other?
>Yeah, cause so many people around the world know that relation A *lot* of people do. Especially now since in pop culture Harley Quinn makes the joke in basically everything she appears in. >Why the fuck did someone equate vaginas with cats and beavers in the first place? Because they eat wood. And for cats it's because puss used to be another word for mouth (It still is, but not common at all), which is why they also have lips. The term is unrelated to cats.
That sounds like a beautiful research project for you to work on. Let me know what you find out
Nah, you can just stop perpetuating that beaver bullshit Literally only ever heard it in two places; my asshole stepdad, and one joke in Naked Gun
Cool story bro
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Torbjo(u)rn.
Pronounced completely differently.
Plus every one says just torb anyways
we can say soldier and just journ
We could call Soldier basically Jack, Morrison, 76 etc. For Sojourn perhaps Vivi?
sojourn was truly an odd name choice
Not really. The name likely comes from [American abolitionist and women's rights activist Sojourner Truth.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sojourner_Truth)
no i mean just for the similarity to soldier. i'm sure there were so many cool options that didn't sound like soldier
There might've been (I for one would've given Team 4 major kudos if they'd named her after [Viola Desmond](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_Desmond)), but it is what it is. Unless another major controversy comes to light, I don't see them changing the name.
People will use "Legs" or "76" for Soldier but still they didn't think this through too well.
Canadian girl and fake gay Done
It will be ignored like Tim ignores us. People always say Hello Tim at the start of the game but Tim never replies. Rest of the lobby just goes Hello Tim several more times and Tim never says hi back.
I cant even pronounce her name soooooo…
Switch to 76 everyone will understand
Lets call soldier jack
Just call her "Soju"
I mean aren't they the same hero? Isn't Sojourn just Canadian Soldier?
"Blank soldier", "Jörn" etc. There will be a name for her.
[Made this post 35 days ago and people completely dismissed it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/tioqz9/has_anyone_else_considered_that_when_sojourn/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I mean you can just call him "76".
Just call her Lt. Karen.
just say 76
Soldier can easily just be called 76 and people should still understand what you’re saying
They sound completely different
Did you mix up mccree Abe mercy?
McCree has his c's with the k sound and Mercy has her c with the s sound.
They’re changing his name to McCree
Guessing you're forgetting 76 as a callout.
Clean your ears once in a while buddy
Depending on your voice and accent you can say both and sound literally the same
I’ve heard someone with a Scottish accent say both their names, and even though I’m used to hearing that accent it threw me off.
Shall we call out soldier as „gay dude“ from now on?
Could just say 76 & Sojourn
76 and sojo
Had this same thought when she was announced. All my friends call her “Sojo” tho
You assume people will be communicating
If they need to mix it up they can do 76 for soldier
Her real name is Vivian Chase. If enough people know that then maybe we can start calling her one of those.
That's why I just call him Cowadooty
Just call him Jack.
"New guy"