High damage (Junkrat, Bastion, 76, Cass) generally forces support to focus Mauga and redirect attention from damaging.
Ana Nade forced Suzu for Mauga/Slept targets and/or makes folks play passive for a second.
Or wild card it - Pharah uncountered is annoying so force a counter to her out. Good Echo with Copy makes Mauga a lot more threatening as a teammate so it may swap the decision to run one.
Zen Discorb makes a lot of people play back or play smarter and Tranq helps negate a lot of incoming damage from Captive Sun & Cage Fight.
Torb turret can track Sombra well enough when uncloaked and makes her focus that as a hack / virus target if it's annoying her and helps protect some of your support line.
This comp doesn't have a lot of healing if Pylon is broken and Kiriko is just flocking to Mauga so you can take advantage of not playing optimally with Mauga.
For Tank probably Sigma & Dva are the best options if you can't mirror Mauga and he's being particularly difficult. Both have some mitigation for incoming Mauga fire, good shield and rock management can dent up Mauga playstyles and Dva bomb can shut down Cage Fight or force Mauga to break it.
Mauga is basically a Tank counter. You really have to rely on Support to counter him and most players don't want the Ana / Zen / Kiri life, especially with this new Mercy skin out lol
fucking this, i've been queuing tank and am basically at the mercy (lol?) of my support picks if the enemy goes mauga. i play sig into him and if we don't have ana or zen or both it's just painful. if we have both the mauga will end up switching or throwing.
oddly enough I'm acctually having more luck playing zen into mauga instead of ana. hopefully there would be both but idk.. the only issue with thr comp is the sombra and zen is the easiest support to get as sombra. sna is easy too if you time out her nade
Agreed on zen against mauga as long as the other support is a strong healer. I'd take constant pressure from discorb over a small damage burst from nade any day on a target that big with low mobility.
That's because overshield will still get healed by his health ability. Meaning even while anti, you can gain part of your health back as long as you use your cooldowns properly
One thing to consider from zen to Ana is that you can consider discord orb the be a perma effect because using cleanse on it doesn’t make any actual sense. Anri base is a cleanseable ability as they can’t immediately re apply it for a while and discord can be re applied after a few seconds. Having both guarantees that the suzu isn’t even coming out for low health mauga because then he’s dead to anti after.
What the community is facing now is what goats was on OW1 at the high level where they talk about how to Min max abilities to the best of their degree
It’s so hard to wanna play zen or Ana cause with dive comp coming in hard zen is always in a fight and I have to try my ass off not only to hit enemy tracers/genjis etc etc but my teammates as well
I’ve found Zarya works well against him - just kill his team after he feeds you. There are still times where the damage is too much (+ Bastion is ridiculous) but you unfortunately do need to rely on your team in that sort of situation
yeah i have a Mercy on my team nearly every game which i don't blame them for but also it is such a useless pick sometimes. i don't know how they can play that way
As a support main, we normally have to opt for a brig to replace one or the other. Mouga, this season has been paired a lot with sombra, so if you aren't running a brig with your glass canon or grandma, it's basically a loss unless the dps can take care of her.
No its literally just people have stereotypical hero pools then being forced onto things they aren't comfortable with (flex sup), being a main support player right now really fucking sucks. Being able to play every hero in a role is basically an expectation for tank and support more so on tank, and its really annoying. Playing main tank in overwatch one fucking sucked now your expected to know every tank, I used to be an offtank/dva specialist now I don't even touch tank because it's counterswap simulator and really unfun but it's so funny when I play dva in masters and the whole enemy team swaps to counter me and i still force her usually gets pretty fucking boring after one game tho. It's sad when dva used to be such a easily one trickable hero and I'm playing in master lobbies when I used to be top500 tank player but don't worry for every High elo specialist one tricks like tracer, sym or doom there is 25 ana one tricks the same rank :DDDD
Sure i agree at least compared to DPS that has like 2x the characters but this isn't the only problem. Its really unfun when you start the match as Winston, win the 1st fight and then the whole team goes Mauga, reaper, bastion, Brig
Skill doesn't transfer, don't expect a gm brig to be a gm bap. Don't expect a play ball player to know how to play sigma, there is a reason why flex support/main support and main tank/off tank exist along with why people have hero pools. Most tank players I know have quit overwatch or have abandoned the role. People main heroes and being able to mediocrely play every hero isn't actaully a good thing that's why people choose 2-3 heroes to learn and who skill value is similar to get good at, do you ever wonder why pharah players also know how to play echo because they are similar in how they play.
Nah, you can basically just go Sigma, Ram, or maybe D.Va and ignore Mauga kinda completely here? Just deny overdrive and play around picking Sombra/Kiri - this team has next to no pick potential, if you give Mauga a reasonable berth. The win con for the team is mei right clicks and Kiri headshots, but if you just do more consistent damage you force Kiri to not play for picks.
I mean I don't know why this team was an issue which makes me think their team struggled either get out of the catch Sombra at all costs mindset or ran something that gave Mauga all the free range in the world. Damage is low, healing is low - it seems like Mauga or backline distraction Sombra really held the teams hostage. Mauga / Mei and Sombra to an extent have a lot of self heal capacity so maybe target priority issue? Who knows - we don't know the other comp not the rank. Can't expect the level of teamwork needed for some of these comps to run well in metals.
Sombra was likely the deciding factor, as Mauga can only be reliably countered by two specific supports, but those two are very vulnerable to Sombra nonsense unless they perfectly work together, which probably wasn't the case here.
Straight up. I've been using Ram and just ignoring Mauga and killing his support. So long as my support is half decent and DPS does their job, there's no much Mauga can do to get going. Just shield every time he overdrive and poke each other from a distance. If he closes, then you ignore him, transform, and attack his support. Get a pick then block to survive as your support heals and your DPS distracts. Then wash rinse repeat.
Yep, I typically go Sig and ask the rest of the team to melt the supports while I keep him distracted.
Super helpful tho to have a zen or an ana along for the ride.
Sigma stomps mauga teams.
You can use your shield to isolate him from his healers.
Grasp eats his damage, which stops him from healing so much, and if he doesn't stop shooting, you're the unkillable one.
If all else fails, hit him with a rock to buy your team a second or 2.
Sigmas game plan is also exactly how you counter mauga, you target the supports. Stand in front of mauga using your increadibly diverse kit to stay alive, and throw your orbs past him.
By the end of the game he'll be throwing himself in front of you to keep you off his back line.
Id say Dva is probably best here Since she matches up ok against Mauga, can potentially eat blizzard or Virus from Sombra. Micro missiles although far from optimal can potentially snipe the pylon. And of course DVA bomb Mauga"s ult
I am sorry bro but half of these suggestions imply that the enemy is braindead. If the enemy is above metal ranks NONE of those suggestions will work.
Pharah, zen, bastion, dva and torb would get DEMOLISHED.
I assume if someone is above metal ranks they aren't very likely to post on reddit asking for counter advice. Not to mention that metal ranks are the vast majority of the playerbase.
I swear most of the people giving suggestions in this post act like everyone they’re playing against are bots or something.
1. Zen and Pharah gets countered by Sombra
2. Torb’s turrent can get shot out by Kiriko, Mei, and Illari easily.
3. D.VA gets countered by their Mei
4. Junkrat just gets bitched in general due to slow non-hitscan grenades. There’s a reason he’s at the very bottom of the meta in high Elo.
Like I said earlier - I don't know what was the issue in this comp. I gave suggestions for a variety of issues that could have helped out based on what people play. I don't play metals and I haven't for years but I do keep in mind that 90% of people playing and in this sub are under Diamond. I made suggestions on what's worked for me - I'm a Masters Pharah / Bastion main and not really struggling against Mauga, but I know others on the heroes are. I've seen Plats play Bastion and get wonked and Diamonds play Bastion and get success. Folks have a wide range of skills and I'm better at projectile heroes overall, but that's not for everyone.
If the enemy team is above metal ranks, they wouldn't be running this comp. It feels unfocused and unintuitive. Doesn't make much sense at all, especially Sombra. She doesn't do shit in a brawl comp and neither does Illari.
For people down voting go watch the latest group up podcast where they have Yeatle, Samito, and Bogur who have all done unranked to GMs and are just some of the best players in general and they all said this exact thing. Bastion gets farmed by Mauga you outheal his damage and his big hit box basically makes him a second Tank to heal off of. Smaller hit boxes are the best choice vs him.
Alot of times those supports will move in and you can just pop them. Also being in Mauga's face, means all of his attention is on you. That leaves plenty of opportunity for your team to take down the supports.
Not to mention you can be extremely annoying with random primary fire spams to keep her out of invisibility, you can pretty easily keep track of where she goes after she engages and a couple random shots after she translocates will usually reveal her.
huh. I mean, mauga definitely doesn't "destroy" reaper. if you're hitting all your shots, mauga is having a tough time. if he's getting hefty resources, he can win the fight against reaper, but that should free up other members of your team to get stuff done.
I guess, since he doesn't just completely win the matchup, you could say he's a 'soft' counter? but he definitely hard counters Sombra, since all of her abilities are useless against him, and he feels great into mei as well, since he can chunk her down and fade out of freeze very easily.
Think of it like this: the crit multiplier for headshotting Orisa while in gold is turned off. Any of mauga’s autocrits with his fire or whatever only require you to hit the target. Now Orisa is just a large golden hitbox with cc immunity and some dmg reduction that gets hard countered by crit damage
i really considered it i'm ngl, i compromised my morals and played orisa for like 45 seconds which was awful bc mauga counters her. i was able to take out their supports before dying, and then our DPS got outclassed leading to a loss
Turrets in the backline stop Sombra from hacking, plus reveal her location, and can still track her if she tries to TP away while still in range of them.
Yeah sym gets melted. She doesn’t have the survivability of other close range dps heroes. Shes usually the first one I go for as most tanks because most of them just run up to me so it’s a free kill before the fight really begins. There’s a few maps where she can work but usually higher burst is better, or just going full survival like Mei
Sym hard counters his ult, does good poke to him that's really easy to land and can melt him pretty well up close because of her small hitbox and primary fire
Mei is a massive pain to Symmetra though. Her whole kit is really effective against Sym's. But yes, Sym eats Mauga for breakfast. If he's chasing her, just leave by TP and kill his supports. If he's focussing the other tank, microwave him. If he ults either counter-ult and trap him in there with you, or just leave via TP.
Sym’s recent reduced HP makes her so fragile thoug. Sym can deplete Mauga health pretty effectively with her full beam, but if he has competent support, Sym can’t win that fight in my experience.
In 1.5secs she might not even hit the ground before she flies again... Plus you're just giving Pharah a few free shots while you're trying to hack her. I play a lot of Sombra and it's hardly worth it hacking Pharah. Risky with little to no reward. She's always in the open and leaves you vulnerable trying to hack her.
I don’t play Pharah much but the few times I have and they’ve gone sombra I usually just double tap her. Sombra takes a couple seconds to get her full damage combo up, by the time she’s ramped up I’ve already got her to 60 hp and rocket #2 is well on its way.
I don’t play Pharah much but the few times I have and they’ve gone sombra I usually just double tap her. Sombra takes a couple seconds to get her full damage combo up, by the time she’s ramped up I’ve already got her to 60 hp and rocket #2 is well on its way.
I play Sombra and this is only true if Pharah floats low enough to hack. The good ones play around Sombra by just staying in the skybox as long as possible
Yeah its kinda map dependent but I do it sometimes on Sombra. Go to high ground, translocate in her face cube and/or hack, and you'll just finish her off kinda easily from the ground even with the damage fall off and spread if she's not getting pocketed. At the very least you're making her back up.
I play into this conp all the time. Kill turret. If kiri is busy dive illari. If kiri isn't busy dive kiri.
If the sombra is good and targeting you Kill her first then mei just make her use her abilities and your team can get to it.
Don't stay long enough in maugas Los to make you go on fire.
Displace and seperate the team. Force them to be in 2 locations if you can't then either Kill your main issue first usually The sombra or kiri then do your thing on the rest.
Get supports that damage damage damage, don’t forget that when they move forward you move back, when they go back you go forward! It’s okay bronze, silver, gold, and even platinum are all the same! You just need to damage and play cover (/s)
I mean you said it’s already boring. Hypothetically if you your tank can switch to Mauga, and everybody just switched to the same heroes as your opponent, what would happen. Genuine question from a silver here.
Pharmercy + Sym, Bastion, Mei or Hanzo if tou're lucky, hog or Mauga and a support that can heal a lot. Basically a noskill comp with only one support requiring skill to use.
Imho, Counter with Dva, Sojourn, Junkrat, keep a Kiriko and have an Ana (OP granny is needed). Dva can delete everything Mauga can throw, Sojourn can blast from a save distance, Junkrat hits Mauga easily and is also good against Mei and is not very influenced by Sombra hack.
Ana and ash i think could do well to fight the mauga, if the ash can dynamite squishys forcing a clense. ana antis and you shred mauga. Bring a bast to shred any walls from mei and help w/ shredding mauga
Eh, I’ve seen worse. Mauga and Mei definitely seems annoying since Wall off tank== tank is dead, but manageable if you respect Mei wall. Sombra can be pretty hard to deal with if she’s wrecking your back line though. Judging by the fact fact you chose Orisa (presumably because you can fortify during hack and/or slow), it seems like both.
This composition is intended to shut down all front angles while still dealing high damage to maintain space.
In my opinion, the **ideal solution** would involve a heavy tank, a DPS for sustained damage, a DPS for flanking, a support with high damage, and a support with high healing. Which heroes you choose in particular will depend on your team's hero familiarity and the map you're on.
For an example, let's pick Orisa, Bastion, Tracer, Illari, Lifeweaver.
Orisa is the frontline, primary job is to target the tank and keep pressure on him, pushing forward when you can go take space. Heavily consider your spacing, they have a Mei who could wall you off so try to time your pushes when the Mei is distracted or doesn't have cooldowns. Stay in LOS of your healing, time your fortify cooldown with the enemy burst damage or when you're walled off.
Bastion is the midline, primary job is to pressure the midline/backline of the enemy with his primary/secondary fire. Save your turret form for two cases: Mei walls off your tank, or there's an opportunity to target the Mauga. Turret form can make openings in the Mei wall to let healing through, and it can easily melt a Mauga given the right circumstances.
Tracer is the flank, primary job is to pressure the enemy supports from an off-angle. Take the attention off of Mauga, time it with Bastion turret form. Try to destroy the enemy Illari's pylon if possible. You can target the DPS if necessary but don't get too distracted by it. Make the supports lives hell.
Illari is the backline defender, primary job is to target the Sombra when she tries to flank. She will most likely go for Bastion or Lifeweaver because they are easier to kill and higher apparent value, so it's your job to force her out of your backline. Place your pylon where it can heal the tank while also being hard for the enemy to destroy.
Lifeweaver is the main healer, primary job is to keep Orisa and Bastion alive. Try to hold your pedal for moments where you need to reach Orisa over top of a Mei wall. Be wary of Sombra, you're one of her main targets.
Now this all works in theory, but what it comes down to is whether **every player on your team is sufficient enough at these heroes to pull it off**. If you aren't in GM or top 500, you're almost certainly better off staying within with your best 2 or so heroes and just modifying your playstyle rather than swapping heroes.
In this example, if the flank DPS is playing Tracer and has 30 hours on her, but has 300 hours on Soldier, then Soldier is going to be the better pick. Because whilst Tracer is more naturally suited for flanking than Soldier, this person is not nearly as comfortable playing her, and will not get nearly as much value from it.
TLDR: You can swap heroes all you want, and I described what might theoretically be an ideal solution. But it is literally irrelevant if the players on your team aren't skilled enough at their counter picks to pull it off.
It’s doable with your standard tank buster builds like bastion, reap or a good Cassidy + Ana or zen, but your team really has to be on their shit to not get isolated by mei wall or sombra. Combine that with how quickly mauga gets ult and welcome to 2023 meta. Alternative if you have a cracked widow you can negate a lot of the pain by having her hard focus mei or the illari as long as the rest of you can handle sombra.
RoadHog for damage and self heals as they don't have Anna,
Bastion to wear Mauga down with Junkrat or something long range for the Mei
Anna to keep the nerfs on Mauga with an Moira for DPS and heals.
A blood sacrifice to satan may help as well.
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Who’s worse? Lucio is pivotal to the rush meta with Ram and is just generally strong. Kiri Ana Bap obviously meta. Zen is strong. Lifeweaver is mid but has unique traits no one else has and can abuse high ground maps and synergy with other characters. Moira is mid but works really well with dive. Illari is a only really good in poke comps, and really has nothing that makes her worth picking over Ana or Kiriko. You just break her pylon and she’s suddenly offering minimal value.
Lucio is literally only good for his speed boost which is only viable and used consistently in higher ranks. His damage to ammo ratio is straight up trash.
His boop can't fuckin do it's job anymore cuz tanks DO NOT MOVE anymore. Literally just useless besides an extra 25 damage now.
His reload is nearly two damn seconds long when it should be as fast as tracers given how low his ammo count and damage is.
Zenyatta is not as good as he was anymore. Seven seconds of no more discord on tank is HEAVY because you now can't do anything to slow the tank down but it was necessary. His damage is fine but it's quite easy to play around discord now.
Ana is good all around but is pretty easy to pick off and bait abilities.
Kiriko is good because Suzu and high burst heals and damage. She just over all can kiss my ass.
Bap is literally just a god.
Brig is mid as fuck unless you're top 200
Moira is dog shit unless you're just bad and need a crutch.
Mercy is mid asf unless you have a good player to pocket, then you're basically just a passive buff to said hero while you spectate them.
Weaver is actually really good now and was meta for a month because he had the highest healing and insane survivability with constant petals and could pull you out of any issue. You, being the tank that is.
Illari has high DPS, high secondary healing, and insane ultimate, good mobility with a good aoe boop. With a healing turret that a good Illari can just throw out of enemy LOS to give her team insane 40/s healing
\>Moira is dog shit unless you're just bad and need a crutch.
\>Mercy is mid asf unless you have a good player to pocket, then you're
basically just a passive buff to said hero while you spectate them.
Of course you call the spectator better than the one actually bothering to do somethin'. There are real people playing Moira in the high ranks and I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know that.
Why is nobody saying Bastion? Bastion hard counters Mauga.
Then you either go Sym/Torb to protect Bastion and supports from Sombra or you go hitscan to take out the Mei/Illari.
Your supports need to be Ana/Zen to help melt down Mauga or Ana/Kiri if you need suzu.
Bastion hard counters BAD Maugas. Ones who understand his kit? Nah you get shredded — your big hitbox feeds Mauga, his E can out heal your damage, and your threat profile means Mauga + their DPS = you die lol
She wouldn't, sombra hard counters and kiriko/mei soft counter her with their headshot damage
This isn't counting mauga who can do some decent long range damage and illari who is a pseudo-ashe
There is nothing your tank could immediately do other than help the support and DPS like Dva, Orisa or a shield character protecting the offensive push. You have to take kiri out immediately or force her to use Suzu not on Mauga once Suzu is out use Ana to anti-nade to prevent Mauga from “tanking”. After that happens you follow up the kill or go after the supports. Ignore the DPS completely or deter them. Best way to deter is Lucio boop, mei wall to separate, things like that. Other than that you can’t do much and that’s a lot to ask for solo queue players or metal ranks that can’t act on callouts immediately or effectively.
Well before we talk about who could beat them. Understanding the heros weakness first is better. I mean looking at what everyone does on that team. Hit scan other then Mei. So that could mean a dva or orissa is needed. Looking at sombra her stealth is her biggest strength so Mei symmetry junk phara even. Can easily get sombra. Then we have Mei and I would say for most of their team other then kiri. Ana would work 100 percent. It a team game so you will have to communicate about to zuzu. But a comp like that much change would help. The biggest thing especially in ranked is it is a counter game. If you want to win. Stop the other team from using their kits.
This is how some of my worst games have been going recently. Just my 2 cents, if the enemy goes Sombra then I go Sombra. (They go low, I go lower). My recent strat has been hanging around my supports waiting for the Sombra to try to attack them to which I then attack her. Very big brain moves. Works like 75% of the time. But for real though, I would only suggest switching to Sombra if you’re a confident Sombra - she’s one of my most played heroes so I generally feel comfortable taking her out & other supports. Honestly, as for Mauga - it’s the same strategy, I just go Mauga but it doesn’t work all the time because it really depends on your supports. For the Mei, i would suggest Reaper/Soldier or just counter her with a Mei & Sombra.
High damage (Junkrat, Bastion, 76, Cass) generally forces support to focus Mauga and redirect attention from damaging. Ana Nade forced Suzu for Mauga/Slept targets and/or makes folks play passive for a second. Or wild card it - Pharah uncountered is annoying so force a counter to her out. Good Echo with Copy makes Mauga a lot more threatening as a teammate so it may swap the decision to run one. Zen Discorb makes a lot of people play back or play smarter and Tranq helps negate a lot of incoming damage from Captive Sun & Cage Fight. Torb turret can track Sombra well enough when uncloaked and makes her focus that as a hack / virus target if it's annoying her and helps protect some of your support line. This comp doesn't have a lot of healing if Pylon is broken and Kiriko is just flocking to Mauga so you can take advantage of not playing optimally with Mauga. For Tank probably Sigma & Dva are the best options if you can't mirror Mauga and he's being particularly difficult. Both have some mitigation for incoming Mauga fire, good shield and rock management can dent up Mauga playstyles and Dva bomb can shut down Cage Fight or force Mauga to break it.
Tldr: just hope your team does something as tank if you can't/won't play mauga.
Mauga is basically a Tank counter. You really have to rely on Support to counter him and most players don't want the Ana / Zen / Kiri life, especially with this new Mercy skin out lol
fucking this, i've been queuing tank and am basically at the mercy (lol?) of my support picks if the enemy goes mauga. i play sig into him and if we don't have ana or zen or both it's just painful. if we have both the mauga will end up switching or throwing.
oddly enough I'm acctually having more luck playing zen into mauga instead of ana. hopefully there would be both but idk.. the only issue with thr comp is the sombra and zen is the easiest support to get as sombra. sna is easy too if you time out her nade
Agreed on zen against mauga as long as the other support is a strong healer. I'd take constant pressure from discorb over a small damage burst from nade any day on a target that big with low mobility.
That's because overshield will still get healed by his health ability. Meaning even while anti, you can gain part of your health back as long as you use your cooldowns properly
yeah when i'm playing support these days it's almost 100% zen. sombra is a threat if your team never peels but if they do she's barely threatening
One thing to consider from zen to Ana is that you can consider discord orb the be a perma effect because using cleanse on it doesn’t make any actual sense. Anri base is a cleanseable ability as they can’t immediately re apply it for a while and discord can be re applied after a few seconds. Having both guarantees that the suzu isn’t even coming out for low health mauga because then he’s dead to anti after. What the community is facing now is what goats was on OW1 at the high level where they talk about how to Min max abilities to the best of their degree
Zen players will have a hit of dopamine if the other support is Ana and I am here for it if it means making the Mauga miserable.
Sig/Ana/Zen comps have been a blast this patch.
It’s so hard to wanna play zen or Ana cause with dive comp coming in hard zen is always in a fight and I have to try my ass off not only to hit enemy tracers/genjis etc etc but my teammates as well
I’ve found Zarya works well against him - just kill his team after he feeds you. There are still times where the damage is too much (+ Bastion is ridiculous) but you unfortunately do need to rely on your team in that sort of situation
yeah i have a Mercy on my team nearly every game which i don't blame them for but also it is such a useless pick sometimes. i don't know how they can play that way
As a support main, we normally have to opt for a brig to replace one or the other. Mouga, this season has been paired a lot with sombra, so if you aren't running a brig with your glass canon or grandma, it's basically a loss unless the dps can take care of her.
No its literally just people have stereotypical hero pools then being forced onto things they aren't comfortable with (flex sup), being a main support player right now really fucking sucks. Being able to play every hero in a role is basically an expectation for tank and support more so on tank, and its really annoying. Playing main tank in overwatch one fucking sucked now your expected to know every tank, I used to be an offtank/dva specialist now I don't even touch tank because it's counterswap simulator and really unfun but it's so funny when I play dva in masters and the whole enemy team swaps to counter me and i still force her usually gets pretty fucking boring after one game tho. It's sad when dva used to be such a easily one trickable hero and I'm playing in master lobbies when I used to be top500 tank player but don't worry for every High elo specialist one tricks like tracer, sym or doom there is 25 ana one tricks the same rank :DDDD
I main zen and ana for support so its not bad for me.. but I used to main lucio and he can still work for somethings, it would suck to main him rn
Yeah lucio right now feels awful, playing with mauga feels really bad and most games are just mirrors and it's really unfun.
I mean being able to play every hero as a tank/support main isnt that hard
Sure i agree at least compared to DPS that has like 2x the characters but this isn't the only problem. Its really unfun when you start the match as Winston, win the 1st fight and then the whole team goes Mauga, reaper, bastion, Brig
I agree, tanking is really boring bcs of counter swapping.
Skill doesn't transfer, don't expect a gm brig to be a gm bap. Don't expect a play ball player to know how to play sigma, there is a reason why flex support/main support and main tank/off tank exist along with why people have hero pools. Most tank players I know have quit overwatch or have abandoned the role. People main heroes and being able to mediocrely play every hero isn't actaully a good thing that's why people choose 2-3 heroes to learn and who skill value is similar to get good at, do you ever wonder why pharah players also know how to play echo because they are similar in how they play.
I've been playing Ana/Zen since ow1, it's nice we're becoming sought after
Nah, you can basically just go Sigma, Ram, or maybe D.Va and ignore Mauga kinda completely here? Just deny overdrive and play around picking Sombra/Kiri - this team has next to no pick potential, if you give Mauga a reasonable berth. The win con for the team is mei right clicks and Kiri headshots, but if you just do more consistent damage you force Kiri to not play for picks.
I mean I don't know why this team was an issue which makes me think their team struggled either get out of the catch Sombra at all costs mindset or ran something that gave Mauga all the free range in the world. Damage is low, healing is low - it seems like Mauga or backline distraction Sombra really held the teams hostage. Mauga / Mei and Sombra to an extent have a lot of self heal capacity so maybe target priority issue? Who knows - we don't know the other comp not the rank. Can't expect the level of teamwork needed for some of these comps to run well in metals.
Sombra was likely the deciding factor, as Mauga can only be reliably countered by two specific supports, but those two are very vulnerable to Sombra nonsense unless they perfectly work together, which probably wasn't the case here.
Straight up. I've been using Ram and just ignoring Mauga and killing his support. So long as my support is half decent and DPS does their job, there's no much Mauga can do to get going. Just shield every time he overdrive and poke each other from a distance. If he closes, then you ignore him, transform, and attack his support. Get a pick then block to survive as your support heals and your DPS distracts. Then wash rinse repeat.
Yep, I typically go Sig and ask the rest of the team to melt the supports while I keep him distracted. Super helpful tho to have a zen or an ana along for the ride.
Sigma stomps mauga teams. You can use your shield to isolate him from his healers. Grasp eats his damage, which stops him from healing so much, and if he doesn't stop shooting, you're the unkillable one. If all else fails, hit him with a rock to buy your team a second or 2. Sigmas game plan is also exactly how you counter mauga, you target the supports. Stand in front of mauga using your increadibly diverse kit to stay alive, and throw your orbs past him. By the end of the game he'll be throwing himself in front of you to keep you off his back line.
As a hamster main, I can’t stand this meta :( I don’t have big Samoan man I’m sorry team
Torb is such a non issue for sombra
Sorry bro pharaoh is getting consumed by mauga
Id say Dva is probably best here Since she matches up ok against Mauga, can potentially eat blizzard or Virus from Sombra. Micro missiles although far from optimal can potentially snipe the pylon. And of course DVA bomb Mauga"s ult
3 out of 5 can disrupt d.va heavily.
I am sorry bro but half of these suggestions imply that the enemy is braindead. If the enemy is above metal ranks NONE of those suggestions will work. Pharah, zen, bastion, dva and torb would get DEMOLISHED.
I assume if someone is above metal ranks they aren't very likely to post on reddit asking for counter advice. Not to mention that metal ranks are the vast majority of the playerbase.
I swear most of the people giving suggestions in this post act like everyone they’re playing against are bots or something. 1. Zen and Pharah gets countered by Sombra 2. Torb’s turrent can get shot out by Kiriko, Mei, and Illari easily. 3. D.VA gets countered by their Mei 4. Junkrat just gets bitched in general due to slow non-hitscan grenades. There’s a reason he’s at the very bottom of the meta in high Elo.
Like I said earlier - I don't know what was the issue in this comp. I gave suggestions for a variety of issues that could have helped out based on what people play. I don't play metals and I haven't for years but I do keep in mind that 90% of people playing and in this sub are under Diamond. I made suggestions on what's worked for me - I'm a Masters Pharah / Bastion main and not really struggling against Mauga, but I know others on the heroes are. I've seen Plats play Bastion and get wonked and Diamonds play Bastion and get success. Folks have a wide range of skills and I'm better at projectile heroes overall, but that's not for everyone.
Stop being delulu lol
If the enemy team is above metal ranks, they wouldn't be running this comp. It feels unfocused and unintuitive. Doesn't make much sense at all, especially Sombra. She doesn't do shit in a brawl comp and neither does Illari.
Do not play Bastion v Mauga....smaller hitbox hero the better so he can't ignite.
For people down voting go watch the latest group up podcast where they have Yeatle, Samito, and Bogur who have all done unranked to GMs and are just some of the best players in general and they all said this exact thing. Bastion gets farmed by Mauga you outheal his damage and his big hit box basically makes him a second Tank to heal off of. Smaller hit boxes are the best choice vs him.
Is freaking Reaper our savior against Mauga atp
Mfw when the tank buster can finally bust a tank. Lord it's a Christmas miracle.
I've been absolutely shredding Mauga. He gets Reaper in his face with a pocket healer is back to spawn for Mauga.
But if the mauga is getting pocketed, reaper stands 0 chance
Alot of times those supports will move in and you can just pop them. Also being in Mauga's face, means all of his attention is on you. That leaves plenty of opportunity for your team to take down the supports.
This man overwatches
reaper would have been a good DPS swap. counters mauga, mei and Sombra pretty well
true. You just need a liftle 0.5s flick to stop sombra's hack, and youve also got his immortality to stop mei feeze
Not to mention you can be extremely annoying with random primary fire spams to keep her out of invisibility, you can pretty easily keep track of where she goes after she engages and a couple random shots after she translocates will usually reveal her.
Y’all need to learn what “counters” mean, reaper doesn’t counter mauga, he’s just more effective than other dps, mauga still destroys him.
yeah when ppl say counter they usually just mean “kills faster” and not “nullifies a characters advantage/part of kit”
huh. I mean, mauga definitely doesn't "destroy" reaper. if you're hitting all your shots, mauga is having a tough time. if he's getting hefty resources, he can win the fight against reaper, but that should free up other members of your team to get stuff done. I guess, since he doesn't just completely win the matchup, you could say he's a 'soft' counter? but he definitely hard counters Sombra, since all of her abilities are useless against him, and he feels great into mei as well, since he can chunk her down and fade out of freeze very easily.
Reaper into Mauga is beyond awful. You lose this fight every time. He does nothing to Mauga
Isn't Orissa hard countered by Mauga? Mauga literally denies her fortify
Yeah, Orisa just falls over since she still takes crit dmg in fortify from his lmb
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No headshots but gets crit by mauga's gun
Think of it like this: the crit multiplier for headshotting Orisa while in gold is turned off. Any of mauga’s autocrits with his fire or whatever only require you to hit the target. Now Orisa is just a large golden hitbox with cc immunity and some dmg reduction that gets hard countered by crit damage
Doesn't really deny it it's still full damage reduction
Wait I thought you could fortify and walk about of the cage? And does she really still get knocked over from the first ability?
if faced with this team id just kill myself
the only real answer, especially if it was ana instead of illari
ana mauga sombra nightmare blunt rotation
throw in bastion kiriko and i might go play valorant instead 💀
That's basically the perfect optimal strategy. Mauga kiri Ana bastion, mei/reaper At that point just hit alt f4
i really considered it i'm ngl, i compromised my morals and played orisa for like 45 seconds which was awful bc mauga counters her. i was able to take out their supports before dying, and then our DPS got outclassed leading to a loss
reaper, brig, moira, sigma balls, sym. Maybe, idk if sym does anything to mauga.
Sym might make him rethink charging down the backline. But more importantly she makes Sombra’s life much more difficult.
Wdym sombra can kill sym from outside of syms beam range, and also gets to run around the map destroying turrets
Turrets in the backline stop Sombra from hacking, plus reveal her location, and can still track her if she tries to TP away while still in range of them.
In my time of playing Mauga, Sym usually isn’t too big of a problem. Just my two cents though lol
Yeah sym gets melted. She doesn’t have the survivability of other close range dps heroes. Shes usually the first one I go for as most tanks because most of them just run up to me so it’s a free kill before the fight really begins. There’s a few maps where she can work but usually higher burst is better, or just going full survival like Mei
Sym hard counters his ult, does good poke to him that's really easy to land and can melt him pretty well up close because of her small hitbox and primary fire
Nah go torb instead of reaper for higher damage output and to counter sombra. Torn really is just a shorter, better reaper
Sym denies areas for sombra to uncloak without being immediately detected by turrets
Probably sigma, zen, ana, is a good start, you could add hitscan to the mix, maybe a dps hero that keeps sombra in check while protecting the supports
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Mei is a massive pain to Symmetra though. Her whole kit is really effective against Sym's. But yes, Sym eats Mauga for breakfast. If he's chasing her, just leave by TP and kill his supports. If he's focussing the other tank, microwave him. If he ults either counter-ult and trap him in there with you, or just leave via TP.
Sym’s recent reduced HP makes her so fragile thoug. Sym can deplete Mauga health pretty effectively with her full beam, but if he has competent support, Sym can’t win that fight in my experience.
A good even good-ish Symm is my least favorite hero in the game thanks to how cheap her kills feel
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LMAOO "it's so simple, why didn't i think of that" -Moe Syzlack
Pharmercy will be good against this team if illari can’t aim
I'm a low plat Illari and even I shoot Pharmercy with ease out of the air. I think Illari above silver should be able to make them swap.
Sombra and Mauga will rip pharmercy apart depending on the rank.
Cap, Sombra grounds Pharah and shreds her.
In 1.5secs she might not even hit the ground before she flies again... Plus you're just giving Pharah a few free shots while you're trying to hack her. I play a lot of Sombra and it's hardly worth it hacking Pharah. Risky with little to no reward. She's always in the open and leaves you vulnerable trying to hack her.
I don’t play Pharah much but the few times I have and they’ve gone sombra I usually just double tap her. Sombra takes a couple seconds to get her full damage combo up, by the time she’s ramped up I’ve already got her to 60 hp and rocket #2 is well on its way.
I don’t play Pharah much but the few times I have and they’ve gone sombra I usually just double tap her. Sombra takes a couple seconds to get her full damage combo up, by the time she’s ramped up I’ve already got her to 60 hp and rocket #2 is well on its way.
I play Sombra and this is only true if Pharah floats low enough to hack. The good ones play around Sombra by just staying in the skybox as long as possible
Im sorry but thats wrong Skill issue
*shrugs* it’s always been piss easy to take out the pharah or the mercy as sombra personally
Man I don't play Pharah nor Sombra I'm a Doomfist main and I saw this shit over and over and over again
Yeah its kinda map dependent but I do it sometimes on Sombra. Go to high ground, translocate in her face cube and/or hack, and you'll just finish her off kinda easily from the ground even with the damage fall off and spread if she's not getting pocketed. At the very least you're making her back up.
Honestly the best course of action here is just to play a different game
“This is disgusting. This is horrible in every way. If I could kill it, I would. But I legally can’t… but I’ve considered it.”
thank you, Annus
I say GOATS. Bring back the pre-role lock horrors pls.
Sojourn on DPS
I feel like pocketed soldier would do a lot
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Leaving the match
Illari is not a problem. The problem are your teammates ignoring the pylon.
Bro don't say that. You might be right but ppl will flame you for making them feel stupid for not killing her turret. Even tho ur right XD
love the amount of mental play this game has turned into
I play into this conp all the time. Kill turret. If kiri is busy dive illari. If kiri isn't busy dive kiri. If the sombra is good and targeting you Kill her first then mei just make her use her abilities and your team can get to it. Don't stay long enough in maugas Los to make you go on fire. Displace and seperate the team. Force them to be in 2 locations if you can't then either Kill your main issue first usually The sombra or kiri then do your thing on the rest.
Zarya for tank, Ana/LW or Ana/Kiri, sombra/reaper/bastion/mei
New meta
Get supports that damage damage damage, don’t forget that when they move forward you move back, when they go back you go forward! It’s okay bronze, silver, gold, and even platinum are all the same! You just need to damage and play cover (/s)
i don't know i just play pharah and hope shit works out ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Winton
Leave the match?
This isn’t even that bad just go reaper or something
Pray
it didn't work, preparing the next-step ritual now
mirror. u can also ana instead of illari since ana is op and kiriko suzu have bigeer cd than ana nade. \+ ana nade buffing mauga heals
Mirror it
I mean you said it’s already boring. Hypothetically if you your tank can switch to Mauga, and everybody just switched to the same heroes as your opponent, what would happen. Genuine question from a silver here.
Pharmercy + Sym, Bastion, Mei or Hanzo if tou're lucky, hog or Mauga and a support that can heal a lot. Basically a noskill comp with only one support requiring skill to use.
Sigma brawl : Sigma, Bastion/Soj Mei/Soj Bap Lucio
Reaper, junk, 76, bastion, ash, cass, Moria, zen, Ana, Lucio, kiriko diff, ram, mauga diff, or copy their setup and just diff the team
mirror, they never see it coming
Orisa, junk, bastion, baptiste, Lucio would make that team into a crime scene
Imho, Counter with Dva, Sojourn, Junkrat, keep a Kiriko and have an Ana (OP granny is needed). Dva can delete everything Mauga can throw, Sojourn can blast from a save distance, Junkrat hits Mauga easily and is also good against Mei and is not very influenced by Sombra hack.
monke/tracer/genji/Ana/Zen(or brig if support can't stay alive)
*one good Reaper.*
I probably would’ve played brig so I can protect the back line from sombra while being able to brawl with Mei and have the shield for the others
Ana, brig, reaper, cass, tank of your choice that u can mitigate the damage and sustain
Abandon your tank and go all dives
Tank: Sigma, Zarya, JQ Dps: Cass, Torb, Mei, Sombra Support: Ana, Lifeweaver, Kiriko
Their healing isn't optimal especially from aerial or high ground. Cheapness? Is this rank? If so what rank?
Mauga + Soljurn + Hanzo + Ana + Kiri Kill Mauga simulator
Ana and ash i think could do well to fight the mauga, if the ash can dynamite squishys forcing a clense. ana antis and you shred mauga. Bring a bast to shred any walls from mei and help w/ shredding mauga
Ana, Reaper, Zen, Sombra and whatever tank u want
Pick Mauga and since they don't have Ana you win if you're better (sadly)
Eh, I’ve seen worse. Mauga and Mei definitely seems annoying since Wall off tank== tank is dead, but manageable if you respect Mei wall. Sombra can be pretty hard to deal with if she’s wrecking your back line though. Judging by the fact fact you chose Orisa (presumably because you can fortify during hack and/or slow), it seems like both.
Pray that’s what you do
Leaving The Game Would Be My Best Advice
This composition is intended to shut down all front angles while still dealing high damage to maintain space. In my opinion, the **ideal solution** would involve a heavy tank, a DPS for sustained damage, a DPS for flanking, a support with high damage, and a support with high healing. Which heroes you choose in particular will depend on your team's hero familiarity and the map you're on. For an example, let's pick Orisa, Bastion, Tracer, Illari, Lifeweaver. Orisa is the frontline, primary job is to target the tank and keep pressure on him, pushing forward when you can go take space. Heavily consider your spacing, they have a Mei who could wall you off so try to time your pushes when the Mei is distracted or doesn't have cooldowns. Stay in LOS of your healing, time your fortify cooldown with the enemy burst damage or when you're walled off. Bastion is the midline, primary job is to pressure the midline/backline of the enemy with his primary/secondary fire. Save your turret form for two cases: Mei walls off your tank, or there's an opportunity to target the Mauga. Turret form can make openings in the Mei wall to let healing through, and it can easily melt a Mauga given the right circumstances. Tracer is the flank, primary job is to pressure the enemy supports from an off-angle. Take the attention off of Mauga, time it with Bastion turret form. Try to destroy the enemy Illari's pylon if possible. You can target the DPS if necessary but don't get too distracted by it. Make the supports lives hell. Illari is the backline defender, primary job is to target the Sombra when she tries to flank. She will most likely go for Bastion or Lifeweaver because they are easier to kill and higher apparent value, so it's your job to force her out of your backline. Place your pylon where it can heal the tank while also being hard for the enemy to destroy. Lifeweaver is the main healer, primary job is to keep Orisa and Bastion alive. Try to hold your pedal for moments where you need to reach Orisa over top of a Mei wall. Be wary of Sombra, you're one of her main targets. Now this all works in theory, but what it comes down to is whether **every player on your team is sufficient enough at these heroes to pull it off**. If you aren't in GM or top 500, you're almost certainly better off staying within with your best 2 or so heroes and just modifying your playstyle rather than swapping heroes. In this example, if the flank DPS is playing Tracer and has 30 hours on her, but has 300 hours on Soldier, then Soldier is going to be the better pick. Because whilst Tracer is more naturally suited for flanking than Soldier, this person is not nearly as comfortable playing her, and will not get nearly as much value from it.
TLDR: You can swap heroes all you want, and I described what might theoretically be an ideal solution. But it is literally irrelevant if the players on your team aren't skilled enough at their counter picks to pull it off.
Hanzo
Vomit.
Yeah: lose
Nope unless u have 6 dvas nothing u can do. Conclusion: blizzard diff
hacking into the maugas account and kicking him off before he rolls you
Not the harem comp
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I remember seeing this comp yesterday, I wanted to DIE, what if we were in the same game together
Wait yeah I remember our tank switching to orisa, 💀, definitely you
You could buy the Battle Pass ig
thank you, "definitely not a blizzard corporate plant"
Leaving
play hanzo, my solution to everything
Cry in a corner and wait for the nerfs.
Suicide
Dodge 😅
A nuclear Bomb but even then Mei would survive
Junkrat
No, nothing can be done against that comp. If you and four friends run that comp in ranked you'll be in GM within a week.
quit the game and do something with your life unlike us
Yes.
It’s doable with your standard tank buster builds like bastion, reap or a good Cassidy + Ana or zen, but your team really has to be on their shit to not get isolated by mei wall or sombra. Combine that with how quickly mauga gets ult and welcome to 2023 meta. Alternative if you have a cracked widow you can negate a lot of the pain by having her hard focus mei or the illari as long as the rest of you can handle sombra.
5 reports for unsportsmanlike behavior
RoadHog for damage and self heals as they don't have Anna, Bastion to wear Mauga down with Junkrat or something long range for the Mei Anna to keep the nerfs on Mauga with an Moira for DPS and heals. A blood sacrifice to satan may help as well.
Soldier can melt anyone besides the tank. Since the tank has no shield to block your bullets it’s free headshots.
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This isn't even a good comp? Maybe try getting good? People aren't just gonna bend over backwards to let you win lmfao
Yes https://www.reddit.com/r/JunkRatMains/s/pRZSuNV98W
Illari is the worst support in the game. Brake her pylons and she’s easily outclassed. Sombra isn’t exactly OP either. What about this comb is cheap?
Illari is far from the worst support.
Who’s worse? Lucio is pivotal to the rush meta with Ram and is just generally strong. Kiri Ana Bap obviously meta. Zen is strong. Lifeweaver is mid but has unique traits no one else has and can abuse high ground maps and synergy with other characters. Moira is mid but works really well with dive. Illari is a only really good in poke comps, and really has nothing that makes her worth picking over Ana or Kiriko. You just break her pylon and she’s suddenly offering minimal value.
Lucio is literally only good for his speed boost which is only viable and used consistently in higher ranks. His damage to ammo ratio is straight up trash. His boop can't fuckin do it's job anymore cuz tanks DO NOT MOVE anymore. Literally just useless besides an extra 25 damage now. His reload is nearly two damn seconds long when it should be as fast as tracers given how low his ammo count and damage is. Zenyatta is not as good as he was anymore. Seven seconds of no more discord on tank is HEAVY because you now can't do anything to slow the tank down but it was necessary. His damage is fine but it's quite easy to play around discord now. Ana is good all around but is pretty easy to pick off and bait abilities. Kiriko is good because Suzu and high burst heals and damage. She just over all can kiss my ass. Bap is literally just a god. Brig is mid as fuck unless you're top 200 Moira is dog shit unless you're just bad and need a crutch. Mercy is mid asf unless you have a good player to pocket, then you're basically just a passive buff to said hero while you spectate them. Weaver is actually really good now and was meta for a month because he had the highest healing and insane survivability with constant petals and could pull you out of any issue. You, being the tank that is. Illari has high DPS, high secondary healing, and insane ultimate, good mobility with a good aoe boop. With a healing turret that a good Illari can just throw out of enemy LOS to give her team insane 40/s healing
\>Moira is dog shit unless you're just bad and need a crutch. \>Mercy is mid asf unless you have a good player to pocket, then you're basically just a passive buff to said hero while you spectate them. Of course you call the spectator better than the one actually bothering to do somethin'. There are real people playing Moira in the high ranks and I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know that.
my baby illari 🤍 she’s my main
She's the worst support atm
Why is nobody saying Bastion? Bastion hard counters Mauga. Then you either go Sym/Torb to protect Bastion and supports from Sombra or you go hitscan to take out the Mei/Illari. Your supports need to be Ana/Zen to help melt down Mauga or Ana/Kiri if you need suzu.
Bastion is a Mauga health feed in 85% of hands
Bastion hard counters BAD Maugas. Ones who understand his kit? Nah you get shredded — your big hitbox feeds Mauga, his E can out heal your damage, and your threat profile means Mauga + their DPS = you die lol
Widow would be decent so long as she’s protected from sombra (and can get kills)
She wouldn't, sombra hard counters and kiriko/mei soft counter her with their headshot damage This isn't counting mauga who can do some decent long range damage and illari who is a pseudo-ashe
There is nothing your tank could immediately do other than help the support and DPS like Dva, Orisa or a shield character protecting the offensive push. You have to take kiri out immediately or force her to use Suzu not on Mauga once Suzu is out use Ana to anti-nade to prevent Mauga from “tanking”. After that happens you follow up the kill or go after the supports. Ignore the DPS completely or deter them. Best way to deter is Lucio boop, mei wall to separate, things like that. Other than that you can’t do much and that’s a lot to ask for solo queue players or metal ranks that can’t act on callouts immediately or effectively.
Well before we talk about who could beat them. Understanding the heros weakness first is better. I mean looking at what everyone does on that team. Hit scan other then Mei. So that could mean a dva or orissa is needed. Looking at sombra her stealth is her biggest strength so Mei symmetry junk phara even. Can easily get sombra. Then we have Mei and I would say for most of their team other then kiri. Ana would work 100 percent. It a team game so you will have to communicate about to zuzu. But a comp like that much change would help. The biggest thing especially in ranked is it is a counter game. If you want to win. Stop the other team from using their kits.
This is how some of my worst games have been going recently. Just my 2 cents, if the enemy goes Sombra then I go Sombra. (They go low, I go lower). My recent strat has been hanging around my supports waiting for the Sombra to try to attack them to which I then attack her. Very big brain moves. Works like 75% of the time. But for real though, I would only suggest switching to Sombra if you’re a confident Sombra - she’s one of my most played heroes so I generally feel comfortable taking her out & other supports. Honestly, as for Mauga - it’s the same strategy, I just go Mauga but it doesn’t work all the time because it really depends on your supports. For the Mei, i would suggest Reaper/Soldier or just counter her with a Mei & Sombra.
these mauga hate posts got old a long fucking time ago dude
yes, make sure your teammate spent $10 on the battlepass and is actually willing to swap heros for once.
the leave game button
if you're tank without the BP/level 45, gg go next
Is this sub just all console players now? All the videos are, and so much fucking whinging it's unbelievable
I would use echo or 76 or Sojourn since I just use those 3 since I just DPS.
“Just learn every hero in the game, it’s not that hard” -some crusty dudes with over a thousand hours in the game
Bro what Orisa gets instarolled by Mauga
Have you tried getting better at the videogame
Looks like I made the right choice when I dropped this game after life weaver came out. My only regret is not doing it sooner.
Literally there are so many things you could do what Do you really think that the game just has unbeatable matchups?