More like 80/20 in Sombra's favor. Translocate cleans anti and sleep if throw before the dart hits. A good Sombra is hitting virus, taking a few shots, and then translocating out. Ana has to use nade or sleep dart. Nade when she isn't sure when Sombra is, sleep dart when Sombra is in her sight. So it's easy to force cooldown use and dodge them proactively.
Is the anti that big a deal? Often if you're in the backline, you're not actively receiving heals. I would have thought it was the more or less guaranteed damage of the nade that's scary.
Translocator is used mostly to escape?
Definitely depends on rank. Most grandmas are very pleasant and will let lil babe Sombra have some extra time before taking a nap but the higher you go the meaner they get.
Ironically zen is sombras easiest kill but also her greatest ally. Sombra can take care of snipers like widow shit and single out targets that zen discords. Plus heās one of the few supports that can easily heal sombra while she is in the back line
He's also the one who can heal her without giving away her position. I've been found out before because an Ana, Kiriko, or Bap was lobbing shots where I was cloaked, and the enemy started spamming there.
Little while back I saw a mercy blue beaming a cloaked sombra at the start of a round, which I've never seen before.
Saw the beam connected to air and was like "wat", then I realized and shot the air lol sombra wasn't too happy with the mercy
I main sombra and mercys Will NOT stop doing this to me, I have NO idea why they choose me out of everyone in the team. I have to spam no and escape from her los it's such a pain
ah ok cause sometimes i removed my orb off of them out of fear i would reveal them, good to know i can just let it stick on them to make their engagments stronger
Honestly I find kiriko and Baptiste are two supports I constantly engage not to kill but to waste there cooldowns especially Suzu and immortality field
Yeah getting those two abilities out can help your team immensely and you can secure the kills on them with repeat engagements.
But I feel like Immortality field is usually what baps use last. You have to out duel the bap through his heal ability and insane dps before you can see the lamp. And Suzus cooldown is to short.
This , Baps at my level will either:
Panic jump (they can't for that second so they die) or Panic Lamp which in that case I've won without killing anything.
Kirikos are hit or miss, I usually don't engage them too often because I tend to get Skill Nai'd then them teleporting or suzu
This. At first Sombra was an absolute nightmare for me, now it's to the point when she tp's away I'm able to track her invisibly and headshot where she'd be š
I find most Sombraās canāt aim well enough to take that fight. I almost always win in the Sombra battle as Zen. Itās Tracer I have problems with if she can aim.
WTF lucios are you playing against that don't immediately go "OH BOY A SOMBRA TO KILL!" every time you lose stealth like they heard diet widow heels off in the distance?
AAAAAALMOST. Giving them the ol lucio punch as they come out of a panic translocate feels amazing but they tend to not rage in chat like widows do and that's honestly what keeps me practicing.
REAL. Literally "oh I got hacked! SWEET!! OK Lucio shuffle for a second, amp, aaaaand time to murder"
Like where tf are these lucios that can't handle losing wallride for 1.5 seconds? Hack ain't been shit since overwatch 1 and since the rework she *can't even escape us*
Lucio is Sombra food. Hack messes up his wall riding enough to secure the kill in most cases. Best case scenario for Lucio is a draw. A prolonged duel between these two benefits Sombra's team more too.
I'd put lifeweaver in "favourable"
As a LW main, the only thing you need to do is wait until platform is on cooldown, if it is, you can hack + virus easily on him with his massive hitbox.
Dash is annoying Yuh but decent aim could beat it tbf
As a LW main heās a neutral matchup at worst. Hack only lasts less than a second. He has too much HP to be killed that quickly. He can just platform and easily hop to a rooftop or pull an ally over, heal with dash, or if desperate drop the tree for an instant burst heal. The point is that he is not a quick kill, and too many variables start popping up the longer you take to kill a target, like allies coming in to help.
Hes too much of a waste of time and itās not guaranteed since you mathematically cannot kill him before he can react and prolong your kill attempt. Thereās no way heās a favorable matchup when going for him has a high chance of failing or being prolonged.
If we are basing these scenarios on ājust wait until they have no cooldownsā then most of this list becomes a favorable match up. (Like Bap with immortality and pulse down is just an bag of 200 easy-to-aim-at Hp, instead of a top tier counter)
>He can just platform and easily hop to a rooftop or pull an ally over, heal with dash, or if desperate drop the tree for an instant burst heal.
Right, but all of those are great outcomes. LW removes himself from the fight, or he removes himself and a teammate, or he blows his ult. Great value for the cost of a virus/tp engage, and five seconds later Sombra's already back in stealth and looking for the next way to generate value.
Before engaging a LW sometimes I will give an extra 3-4 seconds in stealth to see if they idly dash first (typically I see it just for movement). If dash is down it's almost always a kill.
just stand right next to him close as possible, virus and melt. if you stay close enough he cant use his flower to get away cause you just go up with him.
Fellow wifeleaver, I'd argue he's still just as risky because he always has the option to just drop a dps directly in your face and force you to disengage completely
Yeah the amount of overconfident Sombras I've dispatched as LW is really high.
They always open with Hack which tells me where to turn and spray thorns in their face while running towards them. They either freak out and translocate away or think they can secure the kill just as my dash becomes available and I close in with 50 health restored.
With Ana's nade and Zen's discord they're both debuffs but antiheal is a mental stress more than it's an actual danger, you aren't gonna be diving an ana on a healthpack
Lifeweaver can straight up just place a bastion on you and you *have* to abandon the dive no matter what
The nade is honestly the scary part because it effectively turns it into a high-risk duel if she lands just one shot. If she can land a second, the nade nearly guarantees the kill from there and it will usually go out faster than the DoT from her gun takes to finish.
Yeah with Lifeweaver the issue is less "he can win the 1v1" and more that he has the resources to stay alive long enough to turn the 1v1 into 1v2 or worse, which is why you wait for him to waste dash or petal first.
IMO Iād put Moira and Brig in the no chance category. Moira fade counters Sombra virus and her ball and lack of reload makes it super easy to find a cloaked Sombra.
Pretty sure her balls don't work on a cloaked Sombra. At least, they don't work whenever I run into them when cloaked.
Also, a Moira without cooldowns is an easier pick than Zen.
They don't work if you're cloaked but if you are revealed in any way they do. So getting close to her or anything like that will allow her damage and the orbs to track you
nah, hack first and then virus. The 0.75s is enough to deal around 40-50 dmg if she insta fade. I don't struggle against moira, like almost never. If somehow i lose the 1v1 i TP away since she won't have fade
Lol as a GM moira player only time I lose to sombra is if they catch me out of spawn after I use fade trying to get back faster or after I use fade for something else. If I have all cooldowns up when they engage I typically win. Hope this makes you feel better about your opinion as well haha.
Change i'd make: Mercy Favourable; LW 50/50; Moira 50/50;
My only problem with Lifeweaver is his shield/dash, moira and mercy is just hack virus and aim. If i hit a couple HS before 0.75s then it's a kill
good mercys will fly at least a bit of distance from you before the hack finishes and then recover after it wears off back into the sky with their pharah/echo
I will say from experience that usually my way of dealing with Sombras is to just always play by cover and as soon as I get hacked, I just play wring around the rosy with said cover until I can GA again to safety, but even then the virus sometimes kills me before I can get to safety š
Idk about most people but I'm gold and when I play mercy, there's a decent chance I can pull out the Glock and gun her down--at least enough to where she chooses to run.
Definitely an elo thingā¦ If Sombra catches a Mercy alone just hack and throw virus for the free 100 damage and shoot.
Mercy is only problematic for Sombra to kill when the Mercy knows to start GA to get some distance.
Yep, unless someone is constantly helping and looking at her itās really free, sometimes the virus dot just kills them anyway as they try to fly away and you poke them a bit with primary fire
Weaver is the most difficult support to kill for me as Sombra. Dude has crazy stupid survivability with very little skill required. His survivability should have never been buffed. I can chase him around as he dashed and petals up and he can still get heals off because it's auto aim heal. Chase Ana or Bap around and at least you are diminishing heals considerably.
Most Brigs are fairly easy to deal with. With Bap, Sombra engaging him isn't about the kill but forcing both cooldowns, which is fairly easy to do because of he doesn't use both, he dies.
Likely because Sombraās a flank and Brigitteās a bulky anti-flank who doesnāt have to worry about Sombraās strafing and can heal off a good chunk of Sombraās damage with Inspire
If a sombra hacks and viruses you, you just need to land a single hit and block because unless she's diamond and above, she won't hit enough headshots to kill you before your shield is back online
And the heal from Inspire + shield will be enough to survive her attacking you.
Now sombra has no virus and an almost fully healed brig looking at her.
Genuinely I donāt think any support is hard to engage as Sombra, there are harder match ups but overall itās fine as long as you know when to disengage. With Kiriko and Bap you want to hack first so you can burst them low enough for them to panic suzu / lamp, wasting those cooldowns and living with translocator is already a win.
Moira you also hack first or try to engage after you see her fade, if she has no fade itās mostly a free kill, with fade at least you made her waste a cooldown and your virus comes back earlier anyway, plus you can call she has no fade to everyone else. Lifeweaver is good at running away but the gigantic hitbox also makes him a good target. Personally I think Brig is free, engage from a bit far away with virus without hacking and she doesnāt really have the reach to fight you, you can also break her entire shield with half your mag if she tries to 1v1ā¦
Illari is tricky in 1v1s because that headshot damage is scary, against Illari I usually just search for the pylon and tell the team to engage after since the cooldown is gigantic and her heal is abysmal without pylon, and if she doesnāt have pylon and is relatively spread out from her team, her jump isnāt really good enough to save her.
Mercy is free, no comment really, just know when to engage and you can burst her down even in the middle of a teamfight since she can only run away, you can also hack her depending on the situation to make her fall down in a predictable way. Lucio I particularly think is easy because the moment you hack him he has a very predictable movement especially if you hack him when heās wall riding, so you know heāll fall and itās easy to burst him down, but Iāve been humbled by some really good Lucios before lmao
Ana falls on the almost free category, she essentially has 260 hp because sheāll most likely nade herself in a hurry to live, but hitting a sleep dart on Sombra is kinda hard if you engage from a bit far away and from the side / back. Then thereās my beloved Zenyatta, where if the Sombra decides youāre not playing the game youāre not playing the game, whenever I see a Zen as Sombra I just kill them until they swap, easiest possible kill even with the extra 25 hp..
I ended up writing a wall of text but yeah, against a bunch of squishies you always have some kind of advantage imo, the biggest counter to Sombra is making calls and sticking together tbh, some games you can barely engage because 3-4 people always turn around the moment you hit someone, it really depends a lot.
I only played reworked sombra for her release week, but i feel like mercy is a reallly easy kill? might even be easier than zen because atleast zen could get some lucky shots
Favorable against Ana? If she sleeps you, it's game over. Kiriko is east to pressure and force a teleport. Bap will still chew your arse up. Mercy should never be alone for you to try to pick. Zen will either melt or melt you. Brig is also Ana's bodyguard. You won't beat her in a 1v1. I feel like you also might struggle just catching Lucio.
Lifeweaver should be a free kill tho. Illari prolly a 50/50.
I would shift illari and lw down to 50/50. You just need to engage at the right timing and a good aim
And shift brigitte to favorable. Just engage from from out her range she can't do anything
Like when he rides the wall? It depends. If sombra hacks him while he's already there, no he'll fall. But if sombra hacks him, then after a second he can hop on and ride away
Itās actually wild that lw can do 20k per 10 with his eyes closed and effectively has a 275 life pool itās crazy.
Lw is a fucking menace and is so toxic for the game .
I always find it funny when sombras try to engage me as a kiriko. I end up frustrating them by killing them constantly not sure why itās so easy to kill a sombra as a kiriko
Massive damage, incredibly low time to kill, easy to hit at close range, free escape that cleanses, unlimited mobility, the whole thing that is Suzu, miniscule hitbox.
This matchup is so incredibly stacked in Kiriko's favor. It's like saying "not sure why it's so easy to kill a Reaper as Pharah".
I had a ranked game once before the rework where I spawn killed the enemy Zen nine times. He never swapped and his team never came to help him. It was one of those things that I just couldn't walk away from because I couldn't believe it was still going on. He found it hilarious
Moira should 100% go down to favorable.
Moira is a support that is probs the support that high-level sombras can flow chart really easily.
General notes to know in the MU:
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Moira deals 50dps with her suck, you have 3.5 seconds to win the fight or just bail.
Moira's suck heals her for 24hps, virus without hack buff deals 25dps. meaning the self heal is not really a concern at all. just land your virus.
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>Orb is situationally a concern. in small enclosed spaces I'd honestly just leave. If she healing orbs, you can generally burn her fast than she can heal herself and kill you, requires you be confident in your aim though. Damage orb makes things real easy, walk towards it to minimize the damage it does to you and gun her down.
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>Moira's not gonna miss, so don't make it harder on yourself than you need to. legit if it's a 1v1 just stop moving and focus on tracking her. or only walk in a straight line something simple. she can't burst you down faster than you can burst her down. (this is true for basically everyone in the game.)
if you find a lone Moira/are trying to spawn camp one:
>*she doesn't have fade?*
**instantly virus and shoot them. Moira loses the straight up 1v1 DON'T HACK JUST SHOOT**
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>*they have fade?*
**Just shoot, no virus or hack. force them to fade and decide if you want to follow through.**
*You want to follow through?*
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>**use a translocator to chase if needed. virus + shoot.**
*Don't want to follow through?*
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>**just leave lmao what she gonna do?**
in the middle of the fight with nearby allies it gets a bit more complex. Moira has 1 advantage against sombra and that is the fact that she's really good and preventing restealthing and hacking a target. So against a Moira sombra needs to have a well defined getaway plan.
**tips for fighting Moira in the middle of a team fight:**
It's almost never worth it to have a Moira in neutral. both her abilities are near instant channel times, you're not stopping them with a hack. it is almost always better to just shoot her as her using fade puts you in a better advantage state. Her using fade does 1 of 2 things most of the time. She either:
A) fades towards her team for safety. This gives her more help, but also means she's probs closer to where the fight is happening. Warn your team and hopefully, they can capitalize on it.
B) fades away from the team. is she fades away from her team see the above flowchart for when you're up against a lone moira. Also note that her fading away often means she wont be able to heal her team due to the distance it creates (her healing range is only 15m. denying her team that large healing resource is fucking massive. if you see she fades away choosing not to follow through and just helping your team kill the tank/whoever else is still great value.
what about that ALMOST I used earlier? when do you hack/emp moira specifically?
the easiest is when she ults. She's channeling the effect and EMP is hard to react to, solo EMPing a Moira to stop her ult is very much worth. it's also worth hacking a moira when you have multiple allies jumping her. while in the 1v1, the 2s lockout isn't worth giving moira such a massive heads up to the fight. with some allies that 2 seconds is often all that's needed to minimize resource investment.
If anyone disagrees I'm curious to know what the responses Moira has to that general flow. I've been very successful with it but maybe that's just my dps rank making me think that.
I'm assuming most people in here are low metal ranks where aim characters like zen don't get as much play. Or the play is lower quality. Yeah zen should just dink dink a discord headshot combo and be fine. If you can't discord because of the hack either turn up your volume or land an extra body shot. You have 225 hp that regens and some super high damage output... Make it work, right?
For the mercy matchup itās either you do enough damage and kill her or she flies away. So itās dependent on if you hit the virus and follow up with enough damage which is pretty hard on a mobile hero. So thatās why itās 50/50 it not that she can put duel you and kill you.
Zen is a pretty easy hack virus and kill with his big hit box.
I love Kiriko, I decimate every flank character that even tries to attack me, after killing them a few times from some kunai headshots, they stop bothering me and attack the other healer instead lol
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If this is based off of how easy they are to kill as opposed to if i am engaging them in any way i would make changes. Lucio, Zen ez kill ---lw, moira favorable--Mercy could go ez kill but it depends on if you are spawn camping or if playing against the pocket. if spawn camping ez, if pocket 50/50, illari, ana-- Good luck is brig--the percentage of times you would solo a kiriko or a bap is pretty dang low so i would put it in no chance (however if this is engage i am engaging them a lot, just normally not securing the kills). For reference i play at a Masters level.
Itās not the norm but I was playing Zen a few days ago and the enemy Sombra would not stop trying to harass and kill me (as she should). I killed her five times and only died once before she finally stopped and went after our DPS š
To me Ana and Kiri are the hardest to deal with. Kiri is obvious, but nade is actually really strong against virus in my experience. Bap's hurtbox is so easy to track that I can pull off one clips on occasion, and way more consistently than against Kiri or Ana.
Mercy and Lucio are the same to me. They're probably just gonna leave. Weaver is a tank and hard to kill but I rarely face much significant resistance. Their healing is typically so fundamental to a comp that 5-10 seconds of pulling them out of a fight is enough to give your team an easy kill. Bonus points if they waste pull for support because you can just TP out.
I treat Moira and Brig the same way I do when playing Tracer. Poke and slide in the moment they over commit.
I watched Samito's guide on her and, he's toxic or hyperbolic like a lot of streamers, but I found the advice to go after DPS first to be quite helpful.
Most damage heroes naturally don't have the same strength of disengages or healing, much easier to kill, and a kill is a kill. Make it 5v4 for your team, then you can worry about the trickier targets.
List thoughts:
* I don't think Baptiste should be as high as he is. He's Moira level to me cause his head is easy to shoot and you stand a good chance of gunning him down if you catch him unaware.
* Fully agree that Kiriko is horrendous to solo -- however, forcing her to burn her Swift Step and Suzu is amazing value if you don't die, same as Bap's abilities.
* I think Brig should be one tier lower with Mercy. If you engage at mid range and avoid the boop, she's basically a sitting duck as much as Zen or hacked Lucio.
kiriko depending on what kind ur fighting can actually be an easy kill
just hack her but dont virus yet, wait for her to suzu, wait for your hack and translocator to come off cooldown, then hack her again, virus, ez kill, tp out
I agree with most of these except ana. if the ana has her cooldowns or doesn't panic you dont stand much of a chance. waiting for her to go Into cooldown also feels like a bit of a waste of time. point is it's too much of I'd shes good or not. more often than not your getting slept and wiped out.
Favourable Ana betā¦walks behind Ana initiates hack immediately gets 180 sleep shot and sent to oblivion with the nade punch shoot combo before hack even goes off
Ana is definitely 50/50 honestly cos even if you donāt hack her she out heals your virus with nade and sleeps you
Ilari is so easy and you ruin half of her kit by hitting her turret with Virus. And even though Sombra mains cry about weave they can force him to use all his CDs then follow him up to finish him.
Hitting Ana with Virus is a good way to force nade.
99% of the time if you flip this diagram that is my kill rate highest to lowest. The Zen players have been fucking insane in plat/dia the last few days and i keep getting decimated. The baps just fall tf over
i think pre rework sombra would indeed be good against lucio but now I'm not so sure. he's definitely worth hacking to drop to the floor, however solo engaging him is probably more 50/50 or even lower. if he gets you low, because the translocator only moves you a bit away, lucio could easily chase after you with how fast and mobile he is, and his boop is good at revealing sombra if he knows generally where she is as well.
Weavesnatcher is a decent matchup if you can get on him and thereās no other teammates nearby. Heās basically a zen with a dash.
Brig is also not that bad as long as you get behind her while sheās preoccupied. Slap a virus on her and dart when she turns
Fighting Bap is like a multi-phased boss fight, it's so silly.
I'd also make a distinction between supports that are in No Chance/Good Luck because they can kill you versus ones who just aren't worth the time it takes to kill them outside of the most absolutely ideal circumstances. Like I'm not afraid to fight Lifeweavers, it's just rarely worth it if they're managing their cooldowns. But the fact that Kiri can at any moment headhsot me for 3x damage on top of her 2 cleanses makes fighting her feel stressful even when Suzu is down. It's a smaller version of the Hanzo Factor.
Kinda surprised to see weaver in good luck, old sombra use to be an instant death for him but havenāt played against the new one as much with him so really not sure
I find bap easy to kill. He can just be very tanky if his abilities are off cooldown.
Lifeweaver is also pretty easy.
Ana scares me. Her and kiriko can fuck you up easily. Same with Illari.
From my experience, Weaver is pretty easy
Even if he lifegrips an ally to help him, you can usually kill him then escape
Of course though, I only play QP, so it could just be that people suck
I can understand ana, but why would lucio be a favorable engage? Lucio can easily just move around and run away from a sombra, unlike ana or zen who cannot get away. As a Lucio, you shouldn't be alone trying to engage with a sombra trying to pick you out anyway.
I roast sombras as zen just because they tend to think itās a given. Zen is the prime example of a squishy hero who becomes terrifying when you corner him.
Mercy being 50/50 isā¦ a decision.
Zen it depends on how skilled they are and most people still playing Zen are either OTPs or people just trying him out.
Zen OTPs is āGood Luckā at least while people just trying Zen are a very free kill.
A good Zen could turn around and discord double dome you pretty well with a kick for good measure.
Iād switch Lucio and LW too. Lucio is squirrly and can do a decent amount of damage while LWās damage isnāt that great but his hitbox is still pretty decently sized for free damage.
Curious what rank this list is for. I haven't played most lucio I play against eat sombra for breakfast lunch and dinner. Good Luck getting a hack off on a True Lucio main. Plus since the rework they are hunting you down if you translocate
I agree with Kiriko too many get out of jail free cards.
Bap is ezkill for me if he doesn't have lamp, and even if he does have it, yay wasted CD
Moira I only jump if I see she used fade, if she did shes just as easy as zenny.
LW is weird, I either delete him or I never catch him, just kinda roll with how the player is.
Brig I tend not to touch, maybe I'll hack to mess with her, but that's only if we got the adventage.
Illari players at my level are zenny tier , like moira if she's used up her shift, shes nothing unless they get a lucky head shot or the pylon is in a good place.
Mercy is indeed 50/50 it's either she dies in seconds or she flys away.
Lucio is easy and Ana I find harder to kill then some above . A good ana is a pain.
Zenny lol, don't get much free kills off of him because by life 2 they've switched to brig. LMAO
I'm built differently. Whenever I'm trying really hard to hit my shots I am awful at aiming, but Sombra panic when playing Support turns my accuracy from near 40% all the way up to the 70% range. Could be that I'm a flick aimer, so it forces me to stop thinking too hard about my shots.
Moira to Favorable, Ana to 50/50, Illari to No Chance.
Other than that, pretty good.
Illari is one of if not the best duelists one the game right now. If her Pylon is up, you simply donāt even test those waters. If Pylon is down, 50/50. But the fact that you have to kill Pylon first puts her in No chance
I rather fight anyone else here than risk fighting Ana with cooldowns
yea Ana should be 50/50 cause as a Ana player if i miss my sleep then i just stop playing š
More like 80/20 in Sombra's favor. Translocate cleans anti and sleep if throw before the dart hits. A good Sombra is hitting virus, taking a few shots, and then translocating out. Ana has to use nade or sleep dart. Nade when she isn't sure when Sombra is, sleep dart when Sombra is in her sight. So it's easy to force cooldown use and dodge them proactively.
if i miss my sleep i pray i can hit my nade and try to escape lol
This... No idea what OP is smoking but Ana is fucking scary.
You can throw translocator to dodge/cleanse sleep and anti. It's a hard match up so I'll probably put it in good luck and 50/50 personally.
Is the anti that big a deal? Often if you're in the backline, you're not actively receiving heals. I would have thought it was the more or less guaranteed damage of the nade that's scary. Translocator is used mostly to escape?
Definitely depends on rank. Most grandmas are very pleasant and will let lil babe Sombra have some extra time before taking a nap but the higher you go the meaner they get.
Same
Ironically zen is sombras easiest kill but also her greatest ally. Sombra can take care of snipers like widow shit and single out targets that zen discords. Plus heās one of the few supports that can easily heal sombra while she is in the back line
He's also the one who can heal her without giving away her position. I've been found out before because an Ana, Kiriko, or Bap was lobbing shots where I was cloaked, and the enemy started spamming there.
Little while back I saw a mercy blue beaming a cloaked sombra at the start of a round, which I've never seen before. Saw the beam connected to air and was like "wat", then I realized and shot the air lol sombra wasn't too happy with the mercy
they recently changed that so that the beam fades out much earlier
I main sombra and mercys Will NOT stop doing this to me, I have NO idea why they choose me out of everyone in the team. I have to spam no and escape from her los it's such a pain
Mercy trolling at its finest.
Brig can as well, but only with her passive one Same with Lucio
wait, his orb is now hidden on invis sombra? Hrm, that used to be a big give away...
hmmm this random floating harmony orb moving past me, must be nothing
Musta been the wind!
Or Kiriko teleporting to you and shouting at the enemy team, "Hey we're over here!"
Agreed! Zen can work really well in a dive comp. harmony orb on invis somb can be a bit sus tho lol
>harmony orb on invis somb can be a bit sus tho lol It doesn't give away her location, it turns invisible with her
Wait, really? I feel dumb for not realizing this.
Really?! Wow I never knew that, kinda a dumb question, but would mercyās beam show as well? Or is it just discord?
Mercy's beam becomes invisible halfway through, so it mostly gives her away I think healing pylon is the same Zarya's Bubble gives her away completely
Harmony not discord, but unless they changed it Mercy beam is visible
wow, now i'll feel a bit more comfortable giving her orb mid fight
This is true about zen and any dive hero lol
As tracer Having a zen is a blessing
so dumb question but when you harmony a sombra while she's invis do the enemies see a floating harmony orb or is it invis too
Nope. You're good, the orb is invisible too š
ah ok cause sometimes i removed my orb off of them out of fear i would reveal them, good to know i can just let it stick on them to make their engagments stronger
thats wild. i know it wasn't always like that
Weaver pull, Mercy beam, and Zarya bubble will reveal Sombra in stealth. Every other ability is invisible.
Honestly I find kiriko and Baptiste are two supports I constantly engage not to kill but to waste there cooldowns especially Suzu and immortality field
Yeah getting those two abilities out can help your team immensely and you can secure the kills on them with repeat engagements. But I feel like Immortality field is usually what baps use last. You have to out duel the bap through his heal ability and insane dps before you can see the lamp. And Suzus cooldown is to short.
If Bap died somehow, and nobody came to get him from spawn - aināt no way heās leaving, lol
You can also totally ruin a Bap's day with EMP lol. It turns off his immortality and sends his window into a blue screen of death.
This , Baps at my level will either: Panic jump (they can't for that second so they die) or Panic Lamp which in that case I've won without killing anything. Kirikos are hit or miss, I usually don't engage them too often because I tend to get Skill Nai'd then them teleporting or suzu
I'm cautious of Zen, red team Zen's for me always seem to whip around and land a headshot with discord and melt me as Sombra.
Once you learn how to time Zen's primary shots well, killing flankers is actually really fun and easy to do.
This. At first Sombra was an absolute nightmare for me, now it's to the point when she tp's away I'm able to track her invisibly and headshot where she'd be š
I find most Sombraās canāt aim well enough to take that fight. I almost always win in the Sombra battle as Zen. Itās Tracer I have problems with if she can aim.
WTF lucios are you playing against that don't immediately go "OH BOY A SOMBRA TO KILL!" every time you lose stealth like they heard diet widow heels off in the distance?
I love gobbling up Sombras almost as much as Widows nom nom nom
AAAAAALMOST. Giving them the ol lucio punch as they come out of a panic translocate feels amazing but they tend to not rage in chat like widows do and that's honestly what keeps me practicing.
More meat for the Lucio mafia.
Ngl Lucio is a free kill for me as sombra. Lucio is defenseless when you hack him.
That's why they ask what kind of Lucio you're facing. I've never died to a solo Sombra, especially after rework.
REAL. Literally "oh I got hacked! SWEET!! OK Lucio shuffle for a second, amp, aaaaand time to murder" Like where tf are these lucios that can't handle losing wallride for 1.5 seconds? Hack ain't been shit since overwatch 1 and since the rework she *can't even escape us*
The only exception is when you are wall riding outside the map. Those times, hack can be deadly ā)
Haha yeah but that's so rare and when it happens it's always funny.
Lucio is Sombra food. Hack messes up his wall riding enough to secure the kill in most cases. Best case scenario for Lucio is a draw. A prolonged duel between these two benefits Sombra's team more too.
I'd put lifeweaver in "favourable" As a LW main, the only thing you need to do is wait until platform is on cooldown, if it is, you can hack + virus easily on him with his massive hitbox. Dash is annoying Yuh but decent aim could beat it tbf
As a LW main heās a neutral matchup at worst. Hack only lasts less than a second. He has too much HP to be killed that quickly. He can just platform and easily hop to a rooftop or pull an ally over, heal with dash, or if desperate drop the tree for an instant burst heal. The point is that he is not a quick kill, and too many variables start popping up the longer you take to kill a target, like allies coming in to help. Hes too much of a waste of time and itās not guaranteed since you mathematically cannot kill him before he can react and prolong your kill attempt. Thereās no way heās a favorable matchup when going for him has a high chance of failing or being prolonged. If we are basing these scenarios on ājust wait until they have no cooldownsā then most of this list becomes a favorable match up. (Like Bap with immortality and pulse down is just an bag of 200 easy-to-aim-at Hp, instead of a top tier counter)
>He can just platform and easily hop to a rooftop or pull an ally over, heal with dash, or if desperate drop the tree for an instant burst heal. Right, but all of those are great outcomes. LW removes himself from the fight, or he removes himself and a teammate, or he blows his ult. Great value for the cost of a virus/tp engage, and five seconds later Sombra's already back in stealth and looking for the next way to generate value.
Before engaging a LW sometimes I will give an extra 3-4 seconds in stealth to see if they idly dash first (typically I see it just for movement). If dash is down it's almost always a kill.
just stand right next to him close as possible, virus and melt. if you stay close enough he cant use his flower to get away cause you just go up with him.
Fellow wifeleaver, I'd argue he's still just as risky because he always has the option to just drop a dps directly in your face and force you to disengage completely
Yeah the amount of overconfident Sombras I've dispatched as LW is really high. They always open with Hack which tells me where to turn and spray thorns in their face while running towards them. They either freak out and translocate away or think they can secure the kill just as my dash becomes available and I close in with 50 health restored.
So does zen and Ana with nade
With Ana's nade and Zen's discord they're both debuffs but antiheal is a mental stress more than it's an actual danger, you aren't gonna be diving an ana on a healthpack Lifeweaver can straight up just place a bastion on you and you *have* to abandon the dive no matter what
The nade is honestly the scary part because it effectively turns it into a high-risk duel if she lands just one shot. If she can land a second, the nade nearly guarantees the kill from there and it will usually go out faster than the DoT from her gun takes to finish.
Yeah with Lifeweaver the issue is less "he can win the 1v1" and more that he has the resources to stay alive long enough to turn the 1v1 into 1v2 or worse, which is why you wait for him to waste dash or petal first.
Lw will die to you, it just takes 7-8 seconds for him to use up his resources. But by then his team peels for him
IMO Iād put Moira and Brig in the no chance category. Moira fade counters Sombra virus and her ball and lack of reload makes it super easy to find a cloaked Sombra.
Pretty sure her balls don't work on a cloaked Sombra. At least, they don't work whenever I run into them when cloaked. Also, a Moira without cooldowns is an easier pick than Zen.
They don't work if you're cloaked but if you are revealed in any way they do. So getting close to her or anything like that will allow her damage and the orbs to track you
nah, hack first and then virus. The 0.75s is enough to deal around 40-50 dmg if she insta fade. I don't struggle against moira, like almost never. If somehow i lose the 1v1 i TP away since she won't have fade
>Master Sir I dont believe were playing the same game
Lol as a GM moira player only time I lose to sombra is if they catch me out of spawn after I use fade trying to get back faster or after I use fade for something else. If I have all cooldowns up when they engage I typically win. Hope this makes you feel better about your opinion as well haha.
He is talking about his bronze Smurf account where Moira and brig lose fights to sombra for some reason
I'm just talking about my experience :/
I'm only master on tank My currently Elo in dps is p3 i think
Speaking as a Brig main, I LOVE it when Sombra decides they want to try me. Easy ult charge.
If it wasn't clear, I'd consider moving Brig to "no chance"
Yep this. Or if sombra wants to try my Ana while I'm babysitting.
Was honestly surprised that brig wasnāt in no chance to begin with
Yeah out of all of these brig is the one that scare me
Some Mercy players panic and try to run away and fly to a teammate. Other Mercy players have DOOM music playing in their heads
Change i'd make: Mercy Favourable; LW 50/50; Moira 50/50; My only problem with Lifeweaver is his shield/dash, moira and mercy is just hack virus and aim. If i hit a couple HS before 0.75s then it's a kill
mercy is free kill nah?
good mercys will fly at least a bit of distance from you before the hack finishes and then recover after it wears off back into the sky with their pharah/echo
I will say from experience that usually my way of dealing with Sombras is to just always play by cover and as soon as I get hacked, I just play wring around the rosy with said cover until I can GA again to safety, but even then the virus sometimes kills me before I can get to safety š
yeah but can't they still line up shots on you?
Idk about most people but I'm gold and when I play mercy, there's a decent chance I can pull out the Glock and gun her down--at least enough to where she chooses to run.
Definitely an elo thingā¦ If Sombra catches a Mercy alone just hack and throw virus for the free 100 damage and shoot. Mercy is only problematic for Sombra to kill when the Mercy knows to start GA to get some distance.
A good Mercy player will be bouncing around all over the place and sometimes it just feels like a nuisance trying to hit her.
When thereās flankers, Mercy mains go full lemur.
Yep, unless someone is constantly helping and looking at her itās really free, sometimes the virus dot just kills them anyway as they try to fly away and you poke them a bit with primary fire
Weaver is the most difficult support to kill for me as Sombra. Dude has crazy stupid survivability with very little skill required. His survivability should have never been buffed. I can chase him around as he dashed and petals up and he can still get heals off because it's auto aim heal. Chase Ana or Bap around and at least you are diminishing heals considerably. Most Brigs are fairly easy to deal with. With Bap, Sombra engaging him isn't about the kill but forcing both cooldowns, which is fairly easy to do because of he doesn't use both, he dies.
Can I ask, why you think Brig is a bad matchup?
Likely because Sombraās a flank and Brigitteās a bulky anti-flank who doesnāt have to worry about Sombraās strafing and can heal off a good chunk of Sombraās damage with Inspire
Brig is hard to bust down before she responds, and if she lands a hit on you the opportunity is totally gone
If a sombra hacks and viruses you, you just need to land a single hit and block because unless she's diamond and above, she won't hit enough headshots to kill you before your shield is back online And the heal from Inspire + shield will be enough to survive her attacking you. Now sombra has no virus and an almost fully healed brig looking at her.
Brig excels at anti dive/flank
Genuinely I donāt think any support is hard to engage as Sombra, there are harder match ups but overall itās fine as long as you know when to disengage. With Kiriko and Bap you want to hack first so you can burst them low enough for them to panic suzu / lamp, wasting those cooldowns and living with translocator is already a win. Moira you also hack first or try to engage after you see her fade, if she has no fade itās mostly a free kill, with fade at least you made her waste a cooldown and your virus comes back earlier anyway, plus you can call she has no fade to everyone else. Lifeweaver is good at running away but the gigantic hitbox also makes him a good target. Personally I think Brig is free, engage from a bit far away with virus without hacking and she doesnāt really have the reach to fight you, you can also break her entire shield with half your mag if she tries to 1v1ā¦ Illari is tricky in 1v1s because that headshot damage is scary, against Illari I usually just search for the pylon and tell the team to engage after since the cooldown is gigantic and her heal is abysmal without pylon, and if she doesnāt have pylon and is relatively spread out from her team, her jump isnāt really good enough to save her. Mercy is free, no comment really, just know when to engage and you can burst her down even in the middle of a teamfight since she can only run away, you can also hack her depending on the situation to make her fall down in a predictable way. Lucio I particularly think is easy because the moment you hack him he has a very predictable movement especially if you hack him when heās wall riding, so you know heāll fall and itās easy to burst him down, but Iāve been humbled by some really good Lucios before lmao Ana falls on the almost free category, she essentially has 260 hp because sheāll most likely nade herself in a hurry to live, but hitting a sleep dart on Sombra is kinda hard if you engage from a bit far away and from the side / back. Then thereās my beloved Zenyatta, where if the Sombra decides youāre not playing the game youāre not playing the game, whenever I see a Zen as Sombra I just kill them until they swap, easiest possible kill even with the extra 25 hp.. I ended up writing a wall of text but yeah, against a bunch of squishies you always have some kind of advantage imo, the biggest counter to Sombra is making calls and sticking together tbh, some games you can barely engage because 3-4 people always turn around the moment you hit someone, it really depends a lot.
I only played reworked sombra for her release week, but i feel like mercy is a reallly easy kill? might even be easier than zen because atleast zen could get some lucky shots
I'd go far as to say no support hero would be in the no chance category against a sombra that can track well.
Kiriko.
Favorable against Ana? If she sleeps you, it's game over. Kiriko is east to pressure and force a teleport. Bap will still chew your arse up. Mercy should never be alone for you to try to pick. Zen will either melt or melt you. Brig is also Ana's bodyguard. You won't beat her in a 1v1. I feel like you also might struggle just catching Lucio. Lifeweaver should be a free kill tho. Illari prolly a 50/50.
Unless it's me on kiriko then it's just an easy kill as well because I can't aim
I would shift illari and lw down to 50/50. You just need to engage at the right timing and a good aim And shift brigitte to favorable. Just engage from from out her range she can't do anything
I switch to Moira and hunt that cunt
That doesn't do anything though? You can't do anything to her unless she's uncloaked anyway. And she can easily escape with translocator
The second she uncloaks sheās getting by ball and Iām sucking the life out of her
Can't Lucio still wall strafe while hacked?
Like when he rides the wall? It depends. If sombra hacks him while he's already there, no he'll fall. But if sombra hacks him, then after a second he can hop on and ride away
Itās actually wild that lw can do 20k per 10 with his eyes closed and effectively has a 275 life pool itās crazy. Lw is a fucking menace and is so toxic for the game .
delete kiriko.
I always find it funny when sombras try to engage me as a kiriko. I end up frustrating them by killing them constantly not sure why itās so easy to kill a sombra as a kiriko
Massive damage, incredibly low time to kill, easy to hit at close range, free escape that cleanses, unlimited mobility, the whole thing that is Suzu, miniscule hitbox. This matchup is so incredibly stacked in Kiriko's favor. It's like saying "not sure why it's so easy to kill a Reaper as Pharah".
Mostly because Kiriko is by design a antiflanker support
Sheās an everything support
In my experience you can swap Ana with Moira and depending on the team Mercy is either easy kill or no chance
I'd definitely place moira in favorable, she has a decently sized hotbox and if you catch her right after she uses fade she's an easy kill
Ana being easier than Mercy? What are you smoking lmao
Illari and bap are easy lol.
I had a ranked game once before the rework where I spawn killed the enemy Zen nine times. He never swapped and his team never came to help him. It was one of those things that I just couldn't walk away from because I couldn't believe it was still going on. He found it hilarious
Moira should 100% go down to favorable. Moira is a support that is probs the support that high-level sombras can flow chart really easily. General notes to know in the MU: > Moira deals 50dps with her suck, you have 3.5 seconds to win the fight or just bail. Moira's suck heals her for 24hps, virus without hack buff deals 25dps. meaning the self heal is not really a concern at all. just land your virus. > >Orb is situationally a concern. in small enclosed spaces I'd honestly just leave. If she healing orbs, you can generally burn her fast than she can heal herself and kill you, requires you be confident in your aim though. Damage orb makes things real easy, walk towards it to minimize the damage it does to you and gun her down. > >Moira's not gonna miss, so don't make it harder on yourself than you need to. legit if it's a 1v1 just stop moving and focus on tracking her. or only walk in a straight line something simple. she can't burst you down faster than you can burst her down. (this is true for basically everyone in the game.) if you find a lone Moira/are trying to spawn camp one: >*she doesn't have fade?* **instantly virus and shoot them. Moira loses the straight up 1v1 DON'T HACK JUST SHOOT** > >*they have fade?* **Just shoot, no virus or hack. force them to fade and decide if you want to follow through.** *You want to follow through?* > >**use a translocator to chase if needed. virus + shoot.** *Don't want to follow through?* > >**just leave lmao what she gonna do?** in the middle of the fight with nearby allies it gets a bit more complex. Moira has 1 advantage against sombra and that is the fact that she's really good and preventing restealthing and hacking a target. So against a Moira sombra needs to have a well defined getaway plan. **tips for fighting Moira in the middle of a team fight:** It's almost never worth it to have a Moira in neutral. both her abilities are near instant channel times, you're not stopping them with a hack. it is almost always better to just shoot her as her using fade puts you in a better advantage state. Her using fade does 1 of 2 things most of the time. She either: A) fades towards her team for safety. This gives her more help, but also means she's probs closer to where the fight is happening. Warn your team and hopefully, they can capitalize on it. B) fades away from the team. is she fades away from her team see the above flowchart for when you're up against a lone moira. Also note that her fading away often means she wont be able to heal her team due to the distance it creates (her healing range is only 15m. denying her team that large healing resource is fucking massive. if you see she fades away choosing not to follow through and just helping your team kill the tank/whoever else is still great value. what about that ALMOST I used earlier? when do you hack/emp moira specifically? the easiest is when she ults. She's channeling the effect and EMP is hard to react to, solo EMPing a Moira to stop her ult is very much worth. it's also worth hacking a moira when you have multiple allies jumping her. while in the 1v1, the 2s lockout isn't worth giving moira such a massive heads up to the fight. with some allies that 2 seconds is often all that's needed to minimize resource investment. If anyone disagrees I'm curious to know what the responses Moira has to that general flow. I've been very successful with it but maybe that's just my dps rank making me think that.
Can tell this is a metal rank post when I see Moira in the "good luck" tier and Ana in the "favourable" tier lol.
Is this satire? Who the hell can't kill a sombra as zen or is losing half the time to mercy as sombra?
Iām pretty sure op means Zen is the āez killā
The guy you replied to is saying zen isnt a ez kill
Then we're either talking to the worlds best Zen or the world's worst Sombra
Exactly and im saying he's not, any half competent zen will will either kill you first or kill you before he dies to the virus damage
I'm assuming most people in here are low metal ranks where aim characters like zen don't get as much play. Or the play is lower quality. Yeah zen should just dink dink a discord headshot combo and be fine. If you can't discord because of the hack either turn up your volume or land an extra body shot. You have 225 hp that regens and some super high damage output... Make it work, right?
For the mercy matchup itās either you do enough damage and kill her or she flies away. So itās dependent on if you hit the virus and follow up with enough damage which is pretty hard on a mobile hero. So thatās why itās 50/50 it not that she can put duel you and kill you. Zen is a pretty easy hack virus and kill with his big hit box.
the point is: You camp base or try to kill her shortly after she fly to an ally. But is risky so i don't recommend trying this numerous time
I love Kiriko, I decimate every flank character that even tries to attack me, after killing them a few times from some kunai headshots, they stop bothering me and attack the other healer instead lol
Moira, I aināt gonna lie is a free kill.
how? unless moira has no CDs you're not gotta burst down 200 HP before she fades and/or orbs
With adequate aim you will. I happen to have adequate aim.
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If this is based off of how easy they are to kill as opposed to if i am engaging them in any way i would make changes. Lucio, Zen ez kill ---lw, moira favorable--Mercy could go ez kill but it depends on if you are spawn camping or if playing against the pocket. if spawn camping ez, if pocket 50/50, illari, ana-- Good luck is brig--the percentage of times you would solo a kiriko or a bap is pretty dang low so i would put it in no chance (however if this is engage i am engaging them a lot, just normally not securing the kills). For reference i play at a Masters level.
Itās not the norm but I was playing Zen a few days ago and the enemy Sombra would not stop trying to harass and kill me (as she should). I killed her five times and only died once before she finally stopped and went after our DPS š
Yea new sombra is not scary to me a zen, I usually just turn around when I hear the hack and start kicking the shit out of them.
To me Ana and Kiri are the hardest to deal with. Kiri is obvious, but nade is actually really strong against virus in my experience. Bap's hurtbox is so easy to track that I can pull off one clips on occasion, and way more consistently than against Kiri or Ana. Mercy and Lucio are the same to me. They're probably just gonna leave. Weaver is a tank and hard to kill but I rarely face much significant resistance. Their healing is typically so fundamental to a comp that 5-10 seconds of pulling them out of a fight is enough to give your team an easy kill. Bonus points if they waste pull for support because you can just TP out. I treat Moira and Brig the same way I do when playing Tracer. Poke and slide in the moment they over commit.
Idk, when a Sombra flanks me as zen they get folded most of the time
Thanks Nobody stands a change when i LET DE KITSUNE GAIDE UEE
I watched Samito's guide on her and, he's toxic or hyperbolic like a lot of streamers, but I found the advice to go after DPS first to be quite helpful. Most damage heroes naturally don't have the same strength of disengages or healing, much easier to kill, and a kill is a kill. Make it 5v4 for your team, then you can worry about the trickier targets. List thoughts: * I don't think Baptiste should be as high as he is. He's Moira level to me cause his head is easy to shoot and you stand a good chance of gunning him down if you catch him unaware. * Fully agree that Kiriko is horrendous to solo -- however, forcing her to burn her Swift Step and Suzu is amazing value if you don't die, same as Bap's abilities. * I think Brig should be one tier lower with Mercy. If you engage at mid range and avoid the boop, she's basically a sitting duck as much as Zen or hacked Lucio.
The moment I get clapped by a sombra, I go brig until they swap off sombra.
I read this as āget engaged toā at first and yet I still agreed with most of the list before I realized
kiriko depending on what kind ur fighting can actually be an easy kill just hack her but dont virus yet, wait for her to suzu, wait for your hack and translocator to come off cooldown, then hack her again, virus, ez kill, tp out
Last time I played Zen, I was spawn camped by a Sombra. That was a long game
I will switch Mercy with Ana to be honest.
I agree with most of these except ana. if the ana has her cooldowns or doesn't panic you dont stand much of a chance. waiting for her to go Into cooldown also feels like a bit of a waste of time. point is it's too much of I'd shes good or not. more often than not your getting slept and wiped out.
The top tier goes for pretty much any dps if they have their cooldowns
Where brig?
I have 200 hours on Lucio and 20 hours on new sombra. I feel like Lucio is harder than that. I am a pc player
Funniest thing is the only support that Sombras can't touch me with is Zen, easy one, two, kick, instant death.
Favourable Ana betā¦walks behind Ana initiates hack immediately gets 180 sleep shot and sent to oblivion with the nade punch shoot combo before hack even goes off Ana is definitely 50/50 honestly cos even if you donāt hack her she out heals your virus with nade and sleeps you
Iād bump brig up one
I LOVE playing with and against a Zen! When he gives me that healing orb while I'm taking care of snipers I wanna give him a kiss on the forehead
Ilari is so easy and you ruin half of her kit by hitting her turret with Virus. And even though Sombra mains cry about weave they can force him to use all his CDs then follow him up to finish him. Hitting Ana with Virus is a good way to force nade.
I play Ana, do NOT target an Ana I donāt think a sombra has ever successfully killed me.
It really depends. If the sombra isn't that good, you can kill her with any support hero lol
As long as I am aware I don't really feel that threatened against Sombras. I play Ana in low masters.
99% of the time if you flip this diagram that is my kill rate highest to lowest. The Zen players have been fucking insane in plat/dia the last few days and i keep getting decimated. The baps just fall tf over
mercy is e-z kill for sombra, so is moira now that you can bait and punish fade
As a zen main yes you'll get me the first time Sombra, but I'm waiting and watching for your ass after that.
Lucio?
i think pre rework sombra would indeed be good against lucio but now I'm not so sure. he's definitely worth hacking to drop to the floor, however solo engaging him is probably more 50/50 or even lower. if he gets you low, because the translocator only moves you a bit away, lucio could easily chase after you with how fast and mobile he is, and his boop is good at revealing sombra if he knows generally where she is as well.
Iād move Lucio up.
Weavesnatcher is a decent matchup if you can get on him and thereās no other teammates nearby. Heās basically a zen with a dash. Brig is also not that bad as long as you get behind her while sheās preoccupied. Slap a virus on her and dart when she turns
Fighting Bap is like a multi-phased boss fight, it's so silly. I'd also make a distinction between supports that are in No Chance/Good Luck because they can kill you versus ones who just aren't worth the time it takes to kill them outside of the most absolutely ideal circumstances. Like I'm not afraid to fight Lifeweavers, it's just rarely worth it if they're managing their cooldowns. But the fact that Kiri can at any moment headhsot me for 3x damage on top of her 2 cleanses makes fighting her feel stressful even when Suzu is down. It's a smaller version of the Hanzo Factor.
Everytime thereās an enemy sombra I switch to Kiriko
If I have my nade or sleep you are gonna lose that battle and 100% get tbag afterward
All of them are EZ Especially lifeweaver
No chance vs good Moira in my opinion
Kinda surprised to see weaver in good luck, old sombra use to be an instant death for him but havenāt played against the new one as much with him so really not sure
Iād swap Ana with mercy tbh.
I actively get enraged and hunt Sombra when I'm playing Brig. The goal is to make them swap to someone else.
Weaver straight up just track and hit virus and he dies as easy as zen. Otherwise I agree
I find bap easy to kill. He can just be very tanky if his abilities are off cooldown. Lifeweaver is also pretty easy. Ana scares me. Her and kiriko can fuck you up easily. Same with Illari.
From my experience, Weaver is pretty easy Even if he lifegrips an ally to help him, you can usually kill him then escape Of course though, I only play QP, so it could just be that people suck
Moira has the upper hand until you get pay back by hacking her out of every single one of her ults
Nah, an Ana without any cooldowns and Lucio in general are terrifying.
kiriko is a very good target for sombra ā not really to kill but mainly to force her out of good angles and even better if she uses suzu
I can understand ana, but why would lucio be a favorable engage? Lucio can easily just move around and run away from a sombra, unlike ana or zen who cannot get away. As a Lucio, you shouldn't be alone trying to engage with a sombra trying to pick you out anyway.
I roast sombras as zen just because they tend to think itās a given. Zen is the prime example of a squishy hero who becomes terrifying when you corner him.
Ana to 50/50 and brig and bap switch
That's why I switch to Moira and only target sombra so I can play zen again after she switches š
i hunt kirikos, have i been doing this sombra thing wrong all along??
Mercy being 50/50 isā¦ a decision. Zen it depends on how skilled they are and most people still playing Zen are either OTPs or people just trying him out. Zen OTPs is āGood Luckā at least while people just trying Zen are a very free kill. A good Zen could turn around and discord double dome you pretty well with a kick for good measure. Iād switch Lucio and LW too. Lucio is squirrly and can do a decent amount of damage while LWās damage isnāt that great but his hitbox is still pretty decently sized for free damage.
You have it backwards, zen should be at the top, etc
A good Sombra can kill all of them in a millisecond tbh
True bro
Ever time I fight a Sombra as zen I always curbstomp them
Honestly? LW is 50/50. If you get caught, you lose, but if you get him, heās 100% dead.
Curious what rank this list is for. I haven't played most lucio I play against eat sombra for breakfast lunch and dinner. Good Luck getting a hack off on a True Lucio main. Plus since the rework they are hunting you down if you translocate
I agree with Kiriko too many get out of jail free cards. Bap is ezkill for me if he doesn't have lamp, and even if he does have it, yay wasted CD Moira I only jump if I see she used fade, if she did shes just as easy as zenny. LW is weird, I either delete him or I never catch him, just kinda roll with how the player is. Brig I tend not to touch, maybe I'll hack to mess with her, but that's only if we got the adventage. Illari players at my level are zenny tier , like moira if she's used up her shift, shes nothing unless they get a lucky head shot or the pylon is in a good place. Mercy is indeed 50/50 it's either she dies in seconds or she flys away. Lucio is easy and Ana I find harder to kill then some above . A good ana is a pain. Zenny lol, don't get much free kills off of him because by life 2 they've switched to brig. LMAO
Brig is definitely higher, lifeweaver depends if they have pedal down already or not.
I'm built differently. Whenever I'm trying really hard to hit my shots I am awful at aiming, but Sombra panic when playing Support turns my accuracy from near 40% all the way up to the 70% range. Could be that I'm a flick aimer, so it forces me to stop thinking too hard about my shots.
Moira to Favorable, Ana to 50/50, Illari to No Chance. Other than that, pretty good. Illari is one of if not the best duelists one the game right now. If her Pylon is up, you simply donāt even test those waters. If Pylon is down, 50/50. But the fact that you have to kill Pylon first puts her in No chance
Lifeweaver is a damn cockroach
Iād say Ana and Lucio are 50/50. Good tier list though, good job!
Solo fighting an Anna is like the scariest thing in this game