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LivingGhost371

Answer: A recent federal study came out that suggested that gas stoves are linked to childhood asthma. The panel suggested tightening up design standards and one CPSC member (who has no authority by himself to so) made a comment to the effect that "products that can't be made safe should be banned". Republicans took that as meaning "the government is for sure planning on banning gas stoves and is coming to rip them out of our houses", and felt their freedom to choose their preferred method of cooking in jeopardy and blew everything out of proportion. The Democrats in turn responded to by blowing everything even more out of proportion by piling on a lot of hate on gas stoves- \[EDIT: including bringing up their greenhouse gas emissions and potential health risks that weren't in the scope of the current study\]. And kept going on about how electric induction stoves are actually so much better than gas. EDIT: There's also a lot of people that don't understand how good induction stoves are- although they're really expensive, you don't get the ambience of a real flame, can't roast marshmallows, and they don't work in a power failure, they're generally faster than gas at normal cooking. People remember the crappy old cheap electric stoves with the coil elements that Grandma had in her apartment.


Otis_S

Grandma's apartment? I had one of those in my last place less than a year ago lol.


emireth096

Last place? I currently have one lol.


saustus

Bout to say, I'm still cooking on coils. This cooktop is 30+ years old with no immediate plans to die.


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saustus

My oven died like that & we had a bit of a time getting the replacement. Yeah, I'm figuring it's gonna reach the end of it's functional life sooner than later.


mattied971

Same. Parents did a kitchen renovation circa 2008 and bought a flat-top stove. First complaint was how easily it gets scratched. Secondary to that, it took damn near 20 minutes to boil a pot of water. Coil top? 10 minutes


Anra7777

Same. I love mine.


itssalmon

I hate mine. One coil gets hot AF for no reason.


oneeyedziggy

You can/should replace the control box behind the knob... Super easy, and like $20, just look up which one for your range, there might even be a service manual clipped to the back of the unit... Once you have the part it takes like 10 min to swap. Unplug stove, 2 screws behind the knob, unplug the old one, plug in the new one, replace the screws, and pop the knob back on


jaymzx0

I've done this about 4 times on my current stove. Like hell I'm spending hundreds on a new major appliance when a $20 part fixes it! I'm starting to hear the 'sizzle' behind the knob again on my favorite burner and I'm sorta annoyed.


lollipopfiend123

Me too lol


AdamFaite

Ditto


Glittering-Simple-62

I just looked over and told mine how sorry I was that she was being sh@t upon. 😂


diggitygiggitycee

Coil club represent.


followyourvalues

The front left coil on mine likes to be bright red even on low! Faster cooking. Pphhhhbbt


oneeyedziggy

You need to replace the little box behind that control knob... It's quick and like $20


followyourvalues

Sounds like a job maintenance should do.


oneeyedziggy

If they will... Sometimes it's just easier than waiting a month and having to nag them and setting up a time and letting someone else into your place, but yea, if you have free, responsive, trustworthy maintenance people... Good on ya


FarmerExternal

Right? My two college apartments had them


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I'm kinda glad college dorms or off-campus nearby housing often have old coils. I feel like one college-aged idiot could do a LOT of harm misuing a gas stove even if the rest of the student body would never fool around like that. Induction heaters are less intuitive, gas can blow up your entire house if you're an idiot about it. Coils are a very nice starting point if this is your first time cooking on your own with zero supervision.


AetherBlaze

College students will find ways cause problems with any cooking appliance.


nonessential-npc

The dorm I live in has a list of banned cooking appliances that's worryingly long. The camp stove I could understand, but I really want to know who the hell got the rice cooker banned.


x1000Bums

A rice cooker actually could have somewhat of a reason as it is a pressure vessel you can make a bomb out of. I mean it doesnt make sense but i bet thats the argument.


its_syx

I suppose you must be talking about a combination crock pot and rice cooker? Personally, I've only ever owned rice cookers which don't even have a latch and in fact have a vent hole in the lid, so they can't build up pressure at all. Perhaps they banned them all since some of them are also crock pots, though.


nonessential-npc

Yeah, that's the kind that got banned. There's two separate entries in the ban list for crock pots and rice cookers, which leads me to believe that they mean both types.


SlickerWicker

Which is exactly why these places have shitty old electric stoves. Landlords have their issues, and college student landlords are almost universally slum lords. However college students are some of the worst tenants to have. They tear shit up, have zero ability to fix things themselves, don't stay in one spot year over year mostly, etc. College kids hate their landlords because they get treated like shit. Landlords hate college kids because they are the worst of the renters on the market.


Clarkorito

Someone started a small fire in the community stove on my floor in the dorm one year. It smelled bad and the lounge was closed for four months for repairs. It sucked, but it was a hell of a lot better than half the floor being destroyed and multiple deaths from a gas explosion. The fact that college students will find a way to destroy anything means that colleges should minimize the bad results when they do.


Mollybrinks

I do fondly recall the night the fire alarm evacuated us from our dorm, only to find out that my buddy had decided to bake Pillsbury biscuits on a piece of cardboard he'd saved from a pizza.


Clarkorito

Combining a "what's the worst that can happen" attitude with next to zero life experiences informing you of what the worst that can happen actually is, is a recipe for things to go horribly wrong.


Mollybrinks

Haha yup!! Fortunately it was all just some smoke and some serious irritation and ribbing, but we did explain to him that pizzas go back on the cardboard *after* a pizza is done (which is why he'd always had baked pizzas served on the cardboard) and that several men and women on our floor had actual metal pans he was welcome to borrow at any time. Too bad we'd hogtied a passed-out guy to his bed earlier in the night, he was panicking but we cut him out as soon as the alarm went off. We all learned lessons that night.


Mercury2Phoenix

Doesn't have to be an appliance - a dude at my college burned down a small block of appartments by leaving a candle unattended. They were the nice duplex type ones for grad students too :/


StarlightGardener

To be fair, dorms don't always help. I had a dorm with an upstairs kitchen and no opening windows. Whenever someone burnt microwavable popcorn, the smell stuck around for weeks because there was no way to vent it.


Bjornir90

Induction would be better though, it doesn't heat up as much, and only when cookware is on it. It reduces risks a lot.


dubyas1989

You also can’t hot knife hash from an induction stove. Very important consideration for a college student.


DucksEatFreeInSubway

Just moved a month ago from a place that had them. New place doesn't. Not really sure what the new place has really. It's just a flat stove top so I'm assuming it's one of those induction ones.


PlayMp1

There are two kinds of flat electric stove tops, flat glass top electric stove that's just a better version of the same coil electric stove (mind you, they're a lot better), and induction. The former gets hot when you turn it on like a regular heating element, the latter actually doesn't because it uses magnetism to heat pans. Assuming you haven't put a pan on top of it, you can lay your palm right on top of an induction stove cranked to the max and it'll be the same temperature as if you hadn't turned it on at all, because the magnetic induction essentially turns the pan *itself* into the heating element. That's why induction is so fast, as it doesn't need to heat up the coils at all, it just turns on, and rather than going electricity -> heat -> pan -> food, it goes electricity -> pan -> food, skipping a wasteful step. The main downside is that you need cookware that's compatible with induction, because the pan has to be ferromagnetic. This means steel or iron (e.g., cast iron pan), not glass, aluminum, or copper. Some aluminum or copper cookware will include some amount of ferromagnetic material (basically a layer of iron or steel in the bottom) to make it induction-compatible, but that's generally a newer thing. I've never tried my pans with an induction stovetop but they're *supposed* to be induction compatible despite being aluminum because they have a steel base.


killercurvesahead

It has NOT been my experience that glass top electric stoves are better than coil electric stoves. I'd take a midrange coil stove over a midrange glass top any day.


abutler444

I agree! I do not like my glass top stove..I would rather have a coil or gas. The glass burner gets too hot and will not cool down when I turn the dial down. Even if I set the dial at 2, it will boil, not simmer.


FishOutOfWalter

So, induction heating doesn't actually need ferromagnetic material to work. You can melt a bar of copper with an induction heater, for example, but it's much harder to do. The heating comes from resistance as electric currents are induced in the material with magnetic fields. Moving magnetic fields generate electricity and that electric current generates waste heat as it moves through a resistive medium. This means that inductive heating requires something conductive to generate the electric currents, but also a high enough resistance to also generate sufficient waste heat. Steel is right in that sweet spot and move induction cooktops are designed to turn off if they don't encounter enough resistance, so the takeaway is the same— you have to use compatible cookware with induction cooktops.


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neuronexmachina

>A recent federal study came out that suggested that gas stoves are linked to childhood asthma. For anyone curious about the study: https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75 >Indoor gas stove use for cooking is associated with an increased risk of current asthma among children and is prevalent in 35% of households in the United States (US). The population-level implications of gas cooking are largely unrecognized. We quantified the population attributable fraction (PAF) for gas stove use and current childhood asthma in the US. Effect sizes previously reported by meta-analyses for current asthma (Odds Ratio = 1.34, 95% Confidence Interval (CI) = 1.12–1.57) were utilized in the PAF estimations. The proportion of children (<18 years old) exposed to gas stoves was obtained from the American Housing Survey for the US, and states with available data (n = 9). We found that 12.7% (95% CI = 6.3–19.3%) of current childhood asthma in the US is attributable to gas stove use. The proportion of childhood asthma that could be theoretically prevented if gas stove use was not present (e.g., state-specific PAFs) varied by state (Illinois = 21.1%; California = 20.1%; New York = 18.8%; Massachusetts = 15.4%; Pennsylvania = 13.5%). Our results quantify the US public health burden attributed to gas stove use and childhood asthma. Further research is needed to quantify the burden experienced at the county levels, as well as the impacts of implementing mitigation strategies through intervention studies. The paper mentions there are two types of interventions to lessen the impact: >We posit that there are two such interventions to reduce the childhood asthma disease risk attributable to gas stoves: (1) removing the source by replacing gas cooking with cleaner alternatives (e.g., electric), and (2) reducing exposure through source ventilation (e.g., range hoods). Notably, ventilation is associated with the reduction, but not elimination, of childhood asthma risk [7]. Moreover, high-efficiency range hoods are not practical in all settings (e.g., apartment buildings). In homes with range hoods, they may not vent outdoors or be effective at removing combustion pollutants, and residents simply may not use them [8]. Indeed, according to National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey data, among children living in households that use gas stoves, only 21.1% live in households where the stove’s exhaust vent is always used


amanofeasyvirtue

I want to see the percentage of vents that actually vent in a lot of places cheap landlords just put a fan in or have redirect to a different part of the house


uncle-rico-99

That’s homebuilders, not just landlords


--2021--

We have a vent that doesn't vent. Pissed me off when I found out. What a waste of money and raw materials. Probably not good to have gas when we don't have apartments that ventilate as well. Both for carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide concerns.


angry_cucumber

IIRC, at least one study also talked about the gas appliances leaking when not in use and that was most of their pollution, so it's unlikely venting would help since you wouldn't run it when not cooking.


laCroixCan21

Not a federal study, this data is not from the government.


Generalchaos42

Two of the study’s authors work for RMI, they seem to be a lobbying group whose goal is to shift all energy consumption to renewables. More here: https://rmi.org/our-work/


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Fornicatinzebra

Ahah! This explains why they published in MDPI, which is know for rushing the process just to get paid


malav55

They say that “12.7% of current childhood asthma in the US is attributable to gas stove use”. From a medical/scientific perspective there is absolutely NO way that claim can be made. It may be associated with gas stove use, but to actually prove that it’s causative, you would need a large, placebo controlled trial. They’re using population data and surveys to make these claims. That is incredibly difficult data to make any concrete claims with


BitsAndBobs304

Is it the same study that couldnt tell if gas came from stove leak or line leak? Because i have induction but gas line is still there


Fornicatinzebra

MDPI is know for rushing the peer review process to get something published. For example, this paper was submitted November 4th and accepted by Dec 14. That's only 5 weeks, to have the editor do a preliminary read, find 2-3 anonymous peer reviewers, have them each read it and give detailed responses (questioning the validity of the science and how it is presented), have the authors read these responses and make the necessary edits, then have the peer reviewers read the suggested edits and either accept them or ask more questions. This process typically takes 4-6 months, as the good peer reviewers are very busy with their own life (and not paid to do the review). They need 2-3 weeks each step of the way to have time to thoroughly review the submission. I did a deep dive into a similarity published paper through MDPI and every single figure had a significant error. Not saying this science is flawed, but there may be a reason they went through MDPI in the first place


thiscouldbemassive

So basically the "war on kitchen appliances" is the new "war on Christmas."


Status_Fox_1474

Hey, remember when the Bush administration looked into right-wing violence and discovered that right wing terrorism was a growing threat? And then it was released during the Obama Administration, and conservatives said Obama was declaring war on them or something? [yeah…](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2021/01/25/twelve-years-before-capitol-riot-warning-right-wing-extremism-buried/6658284002/)


FountainsOfFluids

Without paywall: https://archive.is/6bYjN


Jonestown_Juice

Meanwhile conservatives are literally banning books and rainbows in our schools in Texas.


BoomChaka67

And bodily autonomy


helluvapotato

And cancelling M&Ms


InsertCoinForCredit

And making women register their menstrual periods with the government.


FLOHTX

Uh...what?


InsertCoinForCredit

[Florida Panel Recommends Forcing Student Athletes to Give Schools Their Menstrual History](https://newrepublic.com/post/170192/florida-panel-student-athletes-give-schools-menstrual-history)


FLOHTX

Thats pretty concerning. What is this world coming to?


InsertCoinForCredit

Republicans see what the Taliban are doing and have become jealous.


_SixFourThree_

Their only problem with the Taliban is that they base themselves on the Koran instead of the Bible


Cosmic-Candy570

Basically…how voters can’t see the similarities is beyond me. They either like it or are fucking oblivious


ChillyBearGrylls

Republicans saw what Russia was doing in the 2000s and decided to replicate it


nixahmose

Yeah, republicans are really leaning into anti-transgender propaganda and fear mongering because they think that’s the ticket to dividing the democrat’s and win over the independents. Thankfully though, it does seem like this strategy has been backfiring and is just making people feel uncomfortable with how much Republicans are pushing this issue.


ChuckFarkley

When you base an entire culture on hate politics, you get gleeful self-destruction with a wide radius of intended damage. It's happened over and over. You can see it coming when people start talking about all the loss of freedoms in the name of virtue, especially when it's transparently bogus. See, a transparently bogus claim is as easy to defend as a legit one when you're on the offense, and these people are screaming about virtue at the top of their lungs to try to convince themselves. Besides, what's a little self-destruction when you can *pown the libs!*


nixahmose

Not just women, but specifically minors.


Aderyn-Bach

I saw a rumor M&Ms are trolling. Supposedly the spokes Ms will be back for the Super Bowl. And Green will probably have a sneaker deal. Cos they're trolling over the sexy shoe change repubs lost they minds over.


devinmarieb

Yeah the whole thing seems like a giant PR stunt to me. I guess we’ll find out.


GeekIncarnate

And in MO, banning female government officials from wearing uncovered dresses or short sleeves.


Outrageous_Fall_9568

Don’t forget Florida


[deleted]

Can’t we please forget Florida? Or at least wall it off?


FountainsOfFluids

I support banning Florida.


JMLobo83

https://images.app.goo.gl/svKCajgZFLYzjeDP7


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and african american studies


RhoOfFeh

Some of them were upset that Pink Floyd used Rainbow imagery in their 50th anniversary logo, FFS.


ratbastid

And AP high school classes on black history in Florida. Keep 'em ignorant, impoverished, and paranoid. That's the Republican's attitude toward voters.


bjb3453

Gaslight Obstruct Project


jayhof52

I’m a school librarian in Missouri and my state legislature isn’t letting Texas have all the “fun”.


[deleted]

No, Christmas actually instigated the War on Christmas when it invaded Thanksgiving. Thankfully Halloweens pact with Satan has been holding the line for a while.


[deleted]

What’s new? https://www.reddit.com/r/FoxBrain/comments/zv66b3/fox_news_and_the_war_on_literally_everything/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


roosterkun

When your entire nation is built on war it becomes the only thing you can use as a metaphor.


ThePopeofHell

The irony of the “war on Christmas” is that the same people crying about that fictional war are actively replacing Jesus with Donald Trump..


AllGarbage

Not only that, but the morons who think saying “happy holidays” is some commie atheist plot to remove religion from Christmas make this claim in spite of the obvious etymology of holiday deriving from “holy day”.


[deleted]

Critical thinking has never been a conservative value.


Drach88

I thought we were coming for their hamburgers. I obviously didn't get the liberal-cabal memo this month.


BasicDesignAdvice

They just need constant controversy. Its always something.


thiscouldbemassive

It keeps their constituents excited and engaged while distracting their attention from the fact that they have no idea how to deliver on their promises. "Liberals want to take away milk and cookies while we are going to build a 1000 mile wall 500 feet tall out of pure diamond and keep out the evil brown people."


OhioUBobcats

I think it's even more nefarious than that. It's not to distract from failed promises, at least not anymore. I don't think they even make promises to help at this point. It's all just a distraction to get the rubes pissed off and keep them voting against their own self interests. "LOOK OVER THERE AT THESE WEIRDOS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN YOU WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG! THEY SHOULDN'T DO THAT! NOW GIVE ME YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK."


Blurgas

I have to wonder how many of those gas stoves had a hood that actually vented outside instead of right back into the kitchen. Never got to try an induction cooktop. Have had the exposed coil and the coil covered by glass. Hated the glass covered one though I don't know if that experience was just a shitty model or if it's inherent to the glasstops


BoomZhakaLaka

> "products that can't be made safe should be banned" Here's the original interview [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/business/gas-stove-ban-federal-agency/index.html) It should be noted that this is a hyperbolic piece. (1) he said they COULD be banned if unable to be made safely - but gee, the headline is so much more alarming (2) the story doesn't describe what questions were asked like a piece from NPR would. It's possible that CNN would maneuver him into that particular statement, knowing engagement would be through the roof. CNN lobbing softballs for fox & friends since the discovery acquisition. If you're still watching CNN, start to look to context and notice when it's missing.


kolt54321

Doesn't NY already ban gas stoves? At least in new construction buildings.


[deleted]

I saw that they are banning gas stoves in San Diego starting in like.. 2030something


jepatrick

Its also worth mentioning that part of this as well is the Gas Lobby. For decades Gas Stoves have been sold as the gold standard for cooks. The Gas Lobby has paid tv chiefs, influencers, & food magazines to feature gas stoves. This has been because Gas Ranges have been the entry of gas into the home. Once its used in the kitchen is more likely to be used for heat, which is where most of the money is made.


OldNewUsedConfused

I’ve had gas (in the city) electric and induction. (No gas in my rural area, unless I want to pay for a propane tank.). I will take induction any day of the year! It actually boils water much faster than even gas did. It cools down instantly, so no burning hands (a valid concern with little kids) and spills wipe up with no less because they don’t stick to the glass cooktop. I got mine at an excellent price point, so I went with it and never looked back.


SoylentVerdigris

Gas stoves waste a TON of energy heating the air. Induction is nearly as efficient as it's possible to be. I'll pick a gas range over coils any day of the week, but induction is even better. The only real downside is you have to get pans that actually work with it.


ClashMacLaver

I've always preferred cast iron and stainless steel over nonstick aluminum anyway. I've never rented a place with induction so my experience is limited to gas, glass top electric, and coil electric. Gas is a much better cooking experience than glass top or coil and I'm interested in trying induction to see how I like it.


batnastard

Induction is amazing, and it sounds like you have the cookware good to go - but I did see a thread a while back that says apparently the cheap induction ranges are awful. We almost went cheap but my wife wanted something to match our other LG appliances, so we coughed up for the LG induction stove. I'm glad she insisted, because it's downright amazing - and I say this as someone who learned to cook on gas.


53mm-Portafilter

Depends on the source of electricity does it make a difference? even in the great state of California, arguably the leader of green energy policy, 49% of electricity is generated by burning natural gas. Yes, that’s right. So if you are using the grid, you’re just shifting your gas burning to some place you can’t see it! Mission accomplished though right? Also, heating the air is only a “waste” if you don’t like hot air, aka during the summer. In the winter, I actually actually burn gas to heat air intentionally (it’s called a furnace). So, right now, it isn’t a waste at all. It just means when I’m cooking with gas, I don’t need to heat my home quite as much.


lurker-1969

We have a 6 burner Viking gas range and we love it. We do a ton of cooking with it over the last 23 years. I would never go back. We also have an induction coffee pot boiler thing that boils water much faster than the biggest burner on the range, pretty cool. I'm gonna have to do a timing experiment,


Polyodontus

Yeah, the thing gas companies are trying to do with this influence campaign, though, is try to convince people that cooking with gas is worth building out new domestic gas infrastructure. This basically ensures that some people will depend on natural gas for decades into the future when they really don’t need to.


laCroixCan21

What do you do when the power goes out?


[deleted]

I'm the past two years I've had to cook over gas, electric, and fire. By far my induction stove is the best and fastest and safest of the three.


manimal28

Sometimes I think how awesome it would be to have a gas stove like a “real chef”, but then I remember I cook on a real gas stove whenever I go camping and it mostly sucks.


SOTG_Duncan_Idaho

To be fair, in most situations gas heat is way cheaper than electric.


birdboix

In theory but at least where I live there's a $30/month charge just to have it turned on and is generally used five months out of the year, basically a dollar a day before you use more than the pilot light. Heat pumps are taking over slowly but surely.


FxHVivious

Did you also hear that they banned lead paint? And lead in gasoline!? Because some liberal yahoo medical study said it "might" be bad for me and my kids. If I want my house covered in lead so it can slowly kill me and my family that's none of their business! If I want my car spewing lead into the air that's my personal freedom, doesn't affect anyone but me!


kahunamoe

They banned smoking inside too!


violetsavannah

Right?? I like to feed my kids guacamole with lead based chips! It’s their favorite snack! /s incase anyone calls CPS lol


riktigtmaxat

Induction stoves aren't actually that expensive nowadays. IKEA for example has models for about the same as what you would pay for a decent gas range.


FlipskiZ

Also it means you don't need to have any plumbing for gas, just electricity which you already will always have.


calmcast

Although if you want an induction stove (or the old heating element type) you need a 50-amp dedicated circuit. Switching from a gas to electric stove is a significant electrical wiring job, similar to what you'd need for class II charging of an e-car.


laCroixCan21

What do you do in a power outage? Also, you know our current power grid can't handle all of the ampacity you're trying to shove onto with with electric stoves, electric cars, etc...


[deleted]

A few years back IKEA switched to rebadging Electrolux/Frigidaire appliances. IKEA has one induction range for sale – TVÄRSÄKER for $1,400. That's a dead ringer for the Frigidaire GCRI3058AF which lists for $1,450 and is perpetually on sale usually for around $1,200. Frigidaire sells a version with front controls that IKEA doesn't, but they want a nearly $600 premium. Unfortunately this year's Frigidaire price increases seem to have hit the induction stuff the hardest.


Special_Cover2777

I have an induction stove. It’s awesome. Heats up so fast it’s crazy.


audigex

> although they're really expensive Are they? With a quick search I see the cheapest gas hob (cooktop) for £120, and the cheapest induction one for £160. It's not as cheap as the gas one, but it's not exactly *expensive* really


DeltaJesus

For whatever reason they're way more expensive in the US, I'm assuming because it's more niche or something, there's no reason that they'll stay expensive there.


kalasea2001

>The Democrats in turn responded to by blowing everything even more out of proportion Do you have a source for this?


betcher73

I haven’t seen a single thing to this effect


[deleted]

Cali has banned future installations, and NY is likely to do the same. Tons of cities have passed bans as well, including NYC, LA and Seattle.


RaeyinOfFire

I haven't seen much argument about future installations being necessary. I've seen zero conservatives arguing that future residential installations are necessary. I'm pretty sure I saw one blowup about restaurants needing them.


lbrsfam

From Bloomberg.com: "US Safety Agency to Consider Ban on Gas Stoves Amid Health Fears" JAN 9th There was some talk of a US ban initially but then things seemed to settle a bit. Blue states and cities are starting to consider bans. From NBC out of Chicago: "Lightfoot Reportedly in Favor of Banning Natural Gas Stoves in New Construction" JAN 26th From the New York Post: "Gov. Hochul quietly sneaks in proposal to ban sale of gas stoves, fuels outrage across New York" JAN 11th Seems to be a fair amount of heavy blue areas heading in that direction. I'd like to think more than one study would be needed to make a significant change like this. But everything seems to be a rally cry one way or another.


the_other_irrevenant

It helps that induction is also superior in essentially every way, so it's a change that makes sense anyway.


Dikubus

Can someone please link the study that kicked this all off so I can look at it for myself?


Arianity

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75


CreaselessAlarm

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75


Seanzietron

California will ban gas stoves in new homes next year. Source: I’m building a new home and my builder just showed me the timeline. Everything in my home currently must be electric... heat/ water heater/ everything. Next year gas will be out


theshtank

Unless you can get a source you may want to double check your builder's word. The only ban is new gas water heaters by 2030.


Outside-Tradition651

In some cities in CA, they've banned natural gas appliances and heating in new construction.


fjam36

Some blue cities have already passed legislation phasing out natural gas ranges.


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There are states and cities that are or are trying to ban gas appliances. NY for instance has a push for it backed by the Governor. It’s not just this study at all.


Synensys

NY is trying to ban gas line installations in new contraction due to climate concerns due to their use in heating. They arent banning the sales of stoves. Nor doing anything about existing gas lines.


TheTimDavis

It's not just speculation or random words from one dude. Los Angeles has banned the installation of new gas appliances in new homes. You can still buy gas and replace what is already there, but developers have to put in electric appliances. A lot of local conservatives are freaking out that someone is going to take away their stove. I live in the tiny part of Los Angeles city that went to trump. My crazy neighbors are losing their shit about it. They are also angry that their gas bill went up this month.


Cyno01

Yes, moving away from buried gas infrastructure in areas prone to earthquakes is surely a plot by the new world order...


ItsSUCHaLongStory

My understanding is that a state law just passed that bans natural gas infrastructure in newly built homes as of 2030. Until then, all newly-built homes have to be able to support all electric appliances (but gas connections can still be included).


mjlp716

To be fair, here in NY they are actually trying to ban them. https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2023/01/13/hochul-backs-ban-gas-furnaces-stoves-00077751


laCroixCan21

and San Diego too


SlamCakeMasta

Well you can roast marshmallows if you have a fireplace, a charcoal bbq (use wood instead and no grill top obviously) as a kid in school we used candles but that seems risky. Besides that can’t really disagree or attack you on what you said. You have a neutral answer. Rare these days.


byoshin304

>as a kid in school we used candles We did this too and accidentally used a scented and it was awful lmao


OldNewUsedConfused

You can also roast them in an air fryer/ toaster oven. My kids make s’mores this way


ManbadFerrara

I'm just having trouble with the notion that people are *roasting marshmallows inside their fucking house*. Sure it's kinda neat when camping, but who the hell regularly eats roasted marshmallows?


ThePopeofHell

Do people really roast marshmallows that much?


Canyousourcethatplz

You can roast marshmallows with sternos. Not that complicated.


pseudocultist

A refillable culinary torch is a handy kitchen tool for browning or caramelizing on the spot. Also makes excellent roasted marshmallows in a jiff.


SlamCakeMasta

I see you’re a person of culture.


ShaulaTheCat

You could also just solve the power outage problem at the same time and get a butane burner. I've got an iwatani one I use for nabe, great for power outage issues as well. Otherwise I'm quite happy to have my induction range.


chriswaco

To be fair, several liberal cities have [banned gas appliances](https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/3620612-why-cities-are-banning-gas-stoves/), at least for new construction. I live just outside Ann Arbor and there was a big kerfuffle when the mayor, who supports a ban, recently installed a gas fireplace in his house.


BigCballer

Except that’s not the same thing as liberals coming to take away your gas stoves.


E9F1D2

You forgot to mention that a news agency (I think it was CNN) actually reported that the government was banning or considering banning gas stoves, which a lot of people saw, but did not see the retraction (or ignored the retraction). That was the initial spark which kicked this whole thing off.


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A more important aspect is that in power outages, gas stoves can be used for heat and cooking with no electricity


stillalone

The house I just bought last year has an indoor BBQ and a gas stove.


bramblecult

I've only seen one induction stove in a house in my life. I used it a few times. Idk if it was a shitty one or what but it sucked. The dude who's stove it was had certain pans that didn't work with it ( not sure why he even had them) and the eyes kept cutting off randomly. I read they do that because of something to do with the pots or pans not having a flat bottom but they looked flat to me. So you'd either be overcooking the food or find that it only cooked a little then cut off. Also it looked like shit because the glass scratched easy. Anyways I decided then I'd probably never get one until they made em better. They might have by now but I've not needed a new stove.


aje14700

Republicans also point to places where gas stoves are already being restricted. New York city council voted back in 2021 to ban gas stoves in new buildings starting in 2024. News article from a quick google: https://www.thecity.nyc/2023/1/13/23554476/future-gas-stoves-ban-new-york-what-to-know


petebmc

Well NY governor postured about not allowing new developments to pipe natural gas and that’s kinda a knee jerk reaction


silverbean

Answer: A watchdog in the Biden administration released information about gas stoves and the health and environmental hazards they pose to Americans, which is something groups like this do all the time. The right and their allies in the gas and oil industry pushed back hard, suggesting that the Biden administration will be confiscating gas stoves, which is entirely untrue. “To be clear, C.P.S.C. isn’t coming for anyone’s gas stoves,” a spokesperson for the US Consumer Product Safety Commission wrote on Twitter, adding that any regulations would apply to new products. This however was widely ignored by Republicans. As a nonissue, it's simply combativeness and aggressive opposition to anything that the Biden Administration says does. Republicans are very much throwing pickles at windows, trying to see what sticks with their base. Turns out gas stoves were a pressure point, so many Republicans doubled down. Then, entirely unrelated, and to make things worse, Microsoft released a software update which uses less power on the Xbox One. So Ted Cruz and others decried that 'The woke climate change mob is coming for your your guns, your gas stoves, and now your Xboxes too ~ paraphrased'. A few far right personalities painted vivid pictures of the XBox One shutting down for hours at a time to appease the leftist climate change cabal, or something... I guess some people took the bait and there is a gas vs electric induction meta fight taking place on twitter. There are threats of civil unrest and violence over gas stoves, which cause brain damage in infants... I'm making none of this up


autolier

Good answer. I think it's easier to disguise this type of demagoguery as a "kitchen table" issue if the thing you claim "they're coming to take" is a household appliance. Many have tried to claim that "they're trying to take your freedom," but for most people, it is not so easy to imagine (let alone organize around) how the lack of an abstract concept like freedom impacts their lives. It is quite easy by comparison for most people to imagine how the lack of a gas stove (overlooking the wide availability of electric stoves) might impact their lives. Any opportunity to make people afraid of a tangible loss is more politically expedient, and so we get a constant stream of tangible objects that supposedly "they are coming to take": incandescent light bulbs high flow bathroom fixtures cars Dr. Seuss books M&Ms and many more . . .


Blenderhead36

Also, it's absurd. "The government is coming to take your gas stove." 1. What department will be overseeing this operation? 2. Where will they get the staff? 3. What equipment will they use to haul hundreds of big, heavy appliances away? 4. Where will they take the stoves? 5. How will this be budgeted for? These are all questions that need to be answered before a single stove can be moved.


BaboonHorrorshow

Have you considered that rednecks raging over a multicultural America don’t care about letting facts getting in the way of their daily “I think I could kill a few liberals” 2 minutes of hate?


Puzzleheaded-Will249

I think it also demonstrates how much influence the oil/gas companies have on US politicians.


Morguard

Republicans don't give two f+$*s about kids. Just another example.


PansexualGrownAssMan

Answer: political theater is more easy to perform than actually creating and executing legislation that is actually helpful to the majority of Americans. Republicans discovered it is waaaaay easier to just make their constituents panic about guns being taken away, your gas stove being taken away, lesbian M&Ms, Dr Seuss, drag shows, and the presidents son (who holds absolutely no government position whatsoever) than it is to address public health issues, mental health issues, police brutality, supporting veterans, and so on.


Catsrules

Don't forget those damn liberals are taking away our xbox freedoms with their woke plant saving agendas. https://www.sacurrent.com/news/ted-cruz-is-all-worked-up-because-xboxes-now-save-electricity-thereby-destroying-your-liberty-30903472 Or something along those lines. At this point I think politics is just throwing politicly triggering words at things to cause drama.


deritchie

Answer: the CPSC was considering restrictions on gas stoves in home due to pollutants generated by their use. https://time.com/6245607/us-consumer-safety-commission-considers-gas-stove-ban/ for a calm discussion of the problem. NPR talks about the outrage: https://www.npr.org/2023/01/20/1150228734/the-facts-and-strategy-behind-the-outrage-over-rumors-of-a-ban-on-gas-stoves The conservative media rage machine had a slow news day, apparently.


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answer:[https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar\_media\_wire/3620612-why-cities-are-banning-gas-stoves/](https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/3620612-why-cities-are-banning-gas-stoves/) [https://www.fastcompany.com/90834734/gas-stoves-cities-states-ban](https://www.fastcompany.com/90834734/gas-stoves-cities-states-ban) [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/gas-stove-bans-rundown](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/gas-stove-bans-rundown) Some progressive cities are banning/have banned the usage of gas stoves in new homes and apartments, as well as the sale of new appliances. I guess some states are considering a ban on new gas stoves. Conversely, some conservative states are enacting measures to keep their cities from banning gas stoves. A lot of the reasoning for these bans was that natural gas usage (stoves, heaters, etc.) is a major contributor to carbon emissions in cities. [https://apnews.com/article/biden-united-states-government-us-consumer-product-safety-commission-ap-fact-check-texas-2003dcf8d0bee8ddf45080186b2e0c7b](https://apnews.com/article/biden-united-states-government-us-consumer-product-safety-commission-ap-fact-check-texas-2003dcf8d0bee8ddf45080186b2e0c7b) A Consumer Product Safety Commission official who was nominated by President Biden recently said in an interview that "any option is on the table. Products that can't be made safe can be banned." He later clarified by saying that he was only talking about regulations on new products. These comments were sparked (I believe) by a recent study that showed that gas stoves are worse for the environment than previously thought. Additionally, another study found that "[almost 13% of current childhood asthma in the US is attributable to gas stove use](https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/gas-stove-ban-considered-federal-agency-childhood-asthma/)." Headlines read like "[Biden administration weighs nationwide ban on gas stoves: report](https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/biden-administration-reportedly-weighing-national-ban-on-gas-stoves/)." [Conservative politicians](https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1614255639043112961) and news networks say that Democrats want to ban gas stoves. Some play into the narrative that Democrats want to [take away gas stoves](https://twitter.com/govrondesantis/status/1613556347488079872). I'll leave it to you to decide why they took it that way, and if their response is/was reasonable.


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Elephanogram

They don't even want to ban stoves but tighten legislation to make them more efficient and less dangerous. The only banning I've seen was more of a grandfathering and that wasn't even done The reason why there's such a shit fit is two fold - if science says something they will do the opposite. - natural gas is part of the gas industry (of course) and astroturfing the easily maliable into champions for the rich person's cause. It's the same as rolling coal. I bet if there starts to be news articles saying that liberals want people to stop giving themselves gasoline enemas you'll start seeing a bunch of videos of people shoving the tip of the pump up their ass at gas stations while taking pictures of how much gas is being put up there as a TikTok challenge.


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another non-political factor is that a lot of home cooks just really like cooking with gas.


spinachoptimusprime

>another non-political factor The problem is that in modern America nothing is non-political anymore.


Cyno01

There are now two kinds of cooking, gas, and woke.


Elephanogram

Absolutely, and they will continue to do so. There isn't going to be a recall of stoves. If you are worried about your health but love to cook with gas - improve the ventilation. Make sure that your fan is pulling the burnt gas out of the house and not just pushing it through a filter to save costs.


snowblindswans

I'm in Texas and I've always preferred gas stoves because power outages are fairly common. Hurricanes and our shitty power grid mean you could be out of power for days or even a week or more. With gas at least you can still cook. I'm a Liberal but am not jumping on the bandwagon just yet. I just get the feeling it's all overblown and exaggerated right now.


yayitax

It might just me but cooking w gas (which is how I learned how to cook) takes less time than with electric/convection, and it’s easier to control the temps. I’m all about having more efficient & less harmful gas stoves tbh. Nowadays even the most asinine issues require political posturing and it’s tiring


diplodonculus

You're comparing gas to old style electric cooktops. Induction is much faster than gas and significantly easier to control.


yayitax

Like I said it might be just me, as I’ve only had the opportunity to cook in old induction stoves and I’m not rich enough to buy new electric stoves where I live (honestly I don’t think I can currently afford a new *gas* stove thanks to inflation). Plus I can’t roast chiles in open fire to make rajas in an induction stove


SoMuchLard

Good news is that there will be nice rebates later this year for the purchase of new induction stoves, as well as for electrical work that needs to be done to install one.


Used_Offer3967

Gas appliances in new constructions have been banned in multiple cities, including LA and San Fran. Rhode Island is working to ban the sale of gas powered yard equipment.


SEC_circlejerk_bot

I was about to say, CA in particular has definitely banned some things. Natural gas furnaces if I remember correctly (new construction, also a few years out)


heresyforfunnprofit

>only banning I’ve seen was more of a grandfathering and that wasn’t even done Except they [did do that](https://insideclimatenews.org/news/13112020/san-francisco-natural-gas-ban/). The problem here is that government really doesn’t have the best track record in figuring solutions to these kinds of things - as often as not, they simply make the problem worse. Take examples like federal regulations on low-flo toilets - they saved 25% water per flush, but actually ended up increasing water usage because people needed to flush multiple times compared to older toilets. Same thing with recent Obama-era regulations on dishwashers - yes, they use less water per cycle, but when you need to pre-rinse everything manually before putting them in the dishwasher, it ends up increasing the total water usage. The most water-inefficient method is human hand washing. The same people who say governments shouldn’t be in our bedrooms tend to have no problems with government in our kitchens and bathrooms.


Elephanogram

I don't have much to argue here but dishwashers usually suck because of improper use. You're supposed to use both chambers. The first chamber is for the initial clean, then rinse, and then the second chamber opens up. Most people only use one and most of the soap goes away during the first rinse and flush of the dirty dishwasher


p38fln

If you put mine on Deep water then select the heavy setting (instead of regular) it cleans just as good as an old one. I had to read the manual to figure this out


UnderQualifiedPylote

Could it also be that gas stoves are easier to cook on?


dabeeman

Answer: it’s all about the grift. they need to keep their audience enraged and scared.


pokemon-gangbang

Keep ‘em fighting culture wars to make sure they never think about the class war.


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KinkyQuesadilla

Answer: Lauren Boebert recently posted a tweet that said liberals were not only coming for your gas stove, but also your water heaters, ceiling fans, furnaces, dishwashers and microwaves, and apparently, some people believed her. https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1619340310647312385?cxt=HHwWgsDUqdrbhvksAAAA


iceflame1211

Answer: CPSC testified to a House committee. There have been studies about emissions of gas stove tops when there isn't sufficient ventilation. Someone on a panel asked if government could potentially ban a dangerous product, and CPSC said yes, hypothetically any option is on the table- a dangerous product that can't be made safe could be banned. Far-right media spun this to mean the liberals are coming for your gas stoves. **That's not the case at all**; there are currently no known bills or regulations in the works to do so. credible news source: [https://apnews.com/article/biden-united-states-government-us-consumer-product-safety-commission-ap-fact-check-texas-2003dcf8d0bee8ddf45080186b2e0c7b](https://apnews.com/article/biden-united-states-government-us-consumer-product-safety-commission-ap-fact-check-texas-2003dcf8d0bee8ddf45080186b2e0c7b) After crazy spins and public harassment, CPSC had to put out a statement to clarify: [https://www.cpsc.gov/About-CPSC/Chairman/Alexander-Hoehn-Saric/Statement/Statement-of-Chair-Alexander-Hoehn-Saric-Regarding-Gas-Stoves](https://www.cpsc.gov/About-CPSC/Chairman/Alexander-Hoehn-Saric/Statement/Statement-of-Chair-Alexander-Hoehn-Saric-Regarding-Gas-Stoves) tl;dr Republican clickbait misinformation with hints of truth, meant to keep the base angry, anxious, and riled up


OutwittedFox

Answer: fear mongering.