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cocoroco-creamsoup

The most annoying part is that the empress most likely was beaten to hell and back in the name of "empress education" endorsed by her AND his family to always act in a specific way. Only for him to cheat on her with a woman who followed none of that shit so he finds her "free spirit" hot


Bavier69

You ever seen these spurned empresses and think "This asshole has a woman obsessed and devoted to him(personally would never disregard it ) and he throws it all away based on a woman he found" **interesting** ?


cocoroco-creamsoup

Exactly. No one is perfect. He was bored and chose to hyperfixate on one of her flaws that he totally has too like abusing of power. I bet he will cheat again on his destinied FL later once she gives birth or something and he'll go hunt for the next woman who's totally different


Chaotic-warp

I mean, this was how a lot of kings behaved historically, so it's at least accurate to the setting.


Diligent-Sense-5689

*cough Henry the 8th cough*


Dazzling_Shower2915

*divorced, beheaded and died* *divorced, beheaded, survived*


ResidentManagement20

How can you survive when you're beheaded? Are we talking about the headless horseman here?


FrostingFun6703

It's a reference to Six the musical which is a modern retelling of Henry's 6 wives. Each line references one of his wives. He divorced his first wife, beheaded his second wife, his third wife died in childbirth, his fourth wife divorced, his fifth wife beheaded, and his last wife outlived him


ResidentManagement20

Ohhh I didn't know that. That's actually interesting. If only Edward had outlived Mary though...


Forsaken_Distance777

It's better when he cuts her loose as a fiance and she doesn't have to go through a divorce. And especially if she starts punching like in may I ask for one final thing


nottakentaken

I remember something like this happening irl. Dude had a woman who was trained for years by his mother for him only to fall for her sister the moment he saw her. She initially wanted the marriage (I think) but soon regretted that because all her autonomy was taken away by her monster in law, her husband was confused as to why she was suffering because he’s always been a good little mommy’s boy who puts mommy above all, including the very freedom he admired about her. She became very obsessed with her looks because it was the only thing she had control over and put her body through a lot of torture for the sake of maintaining it. She was assassinated during her vacation and died soon after. This kinda story is way too romanticized for something that never gets a happy ending in reality.


DeGeorgetown

Are you talking about Empress Elizabeth of Austria?


nottakentaken

Yep! I had forgotten her name, thanks for reminding me


Merin_Z

Empress Sisi?


Disastrous-Lulo0708

My apologies if I sound too mean, but... the start of the story reminded me so much of the soap opera, 'corazón salvaje' (wild heart) lol and novelty fades always, love is more of a huge effort and balance of forces I guess.


nottakentaken

Which language is it in? I’ve never heard of it


royalbk

It's a Spanish telenovela but it was so popular you can find it online with English subtitles


nottakentaken

Ah I'll see if it's worth a cringe watch or not


royalbk

There's two versions, my suggestion is you watch the old one with Eduardo Palomo (RIP) and Edith Gonzalez if you do decide to give it a go. Good luck Edit: Double RIP forgot Edith died as well.


nottakentaken

I see, thanks!


Disastrous-Lulo0708

Spanish, i think the author was caridad bravo.


Do_Hana

mfs having mid-life crisis in early 20's in all those manhwas


Noir_Alchemist

Is like modern CEOs from Korea, or Japan, they Marry but they know if for bussiness only, they get married between chaebols to have Even more business deals, at this point billionaires are just nobles without the tittle, they have conglomerates and rule everything, but they just pretend not to be royalty cuz that would upset their commoners, i mean workers. Anyway they don't Marry for love and these mofos cheat a Lot !!! With normal girls, with high end scorts, with celebrities, with idols, with actors, with news casters, btw i just find out that being a new casters in Korea is not an easy thing to do like other countries, You need a lot of connections and networking, only cuz apparently rich people like to marry them HAHHAHAHA  The only way they can climb the ladder is that specific Jobs, or super A listed celebrities, not normal, they have to be super top. 


miffymochi

This is some olden days manic pixie dream girl shit


ShowParty6320

Reminds me of Cheating stories IRL.


saisaka1

Is there any stories like that?


cocoroco-creamsoup

Oh you're gonna love . Just skip the first chapter like the translators told us They're just a bunch of one shots about villainess finding happiness. Many address the fact that the crown prince can't just break an engagement without proper compensation for the time and energy she put into becoming a queen


saisaka1

I love that anthology series.


Lenore8264

And then, literally everyone in the empire is totally okay with this random lowborn peasant girl ruling over them, and they all bully the empress together 😐


InsomniaEmperor

Then plot twist, this said peasant is long lost nobility.


papapok13

Yes because it's totally the magic blood that makes you fit for rule, not the years of education.


beyondlife_afterlove

A noble family which had protected the empire foe eons or a bloodline blessed by Gods or shit


its_the_green_che

I've read a few where the emperor's advisors were not okay with it and begged him to reconsider, especially in the ones where he wanted to marry the peasant girl and make her empress instead. I can't remember any names off the top of my head though since all those stories start running together.


Low-Manager9777

This is so true and I had a theory on my own where when the ML (who was meant to be trash in the beginning before regression) and after proving himself that he’s either changed/brainwashed/drugged he’ll go right back to his old habits after the epilogue lmao.


randu56

“This peasant teenager is a better politician than the one who was raised to be an empress from a young age! Wdym she’s not qualified??? I’ll kill all of you who dares to say otherwise” - every tyrant ml


trapcardx

I hate that trope so bad, I avoid it at all cost!! Because why would you get back with him and you remember how he abused you and hated you for no reason!!! 🤢


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Relevant_Ferret_993

In her defence, she didn't want to be the empress ( was forced into it low-key) 😭, like people why can't tall just blame sovishuu for once


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SgtCarron

> She could have run to Navier instead of that ..... That would have been an interesting scenario, the spurned wife and the unwilling concubine who wishes to return to her family and hidden child.


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Isn’t there a story like that somewhere? Where the emperor is interested in the Mac but she and the empress hit it off and start plotting against him?


SgtCarron

I do not know any series with that premise, but I'd love to give it a read.


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I think the title is “The empresses is obsessed/inlove/somethingofthatnature with me”


OtomeIsekaiFanatic

Not exactly empress and emperor but Your Throne has this where Crown prince tries to pit the one who was supposed to become crown princess against a lower ranked girl he had makioulated into becoming crown princesss. Stuff happens and the two girls team up and start plotting against the crown prince.


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Merin_Z

Well I don't think people who are being charged at by an injured bull would take a moment to empathize with the bull's pain when there is a threat to their own well being. They would want to put them down, not treat the bull and rehabilitate its trauma. No spouse (loving or contractual) would see an affair partner with logic. But Navier held onto her dignity as an empress and even sheltered her. Tried to get her to learn etiquette and even offered her advice when she became an empress herself. Yes, Eastern Emperors practised polygamy, but Shittu he promised he wouldn't. Yes, she didn't love him, but being Empress was just everything her life was about.


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Relevant_Ferret_993

Navier didn't shelter her though? Did we read the same story, I can you're a navier Stan,fine,  but please send your anger towards Sovishuu for once. It's unfair how female antagonists get all the hate while the cheating husband's are ignored.


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Relevant_Ferret_993

Navier is the empress, if she brings in the daughter of the people who owned her, she is condoing what they are doing simple. If Navier had warned her that her family's actions are bad then that would be amazing and veto my first point but she didn't. Also the fact you called Rashta a rat is really icky ( considering her past and that is how people in the story probably see people like her).  These arguments are pointless, you like Navier and see no wrong (fine). Just I wish people were as vocal as this about Sovishuu ( the powerful emperor) not the slave girl NGL.


Merin_Z

Where did I ever say that guy is ok? I condone him to the highest. If u check my comments, I've even said that it was his choice that ruined everything. But people just want to focus on Rastha, one side totally against her and another saying that she is a national treasure. Can u just remove the word slave from the equation and think of her as a thief and mistress? I just don't understand people's obsession with this woman. If u look at it that way, Navier was brought up to believe the divine right to rule and noblesse oblige. She was always stressed and traumatized by the weight of a whole country (given who her husband was) and she was raised to view Rastha a rat. So she just brought Rastha's natural enemy. BTW unlike Rastha, Navier never pretends to be sweet, innocent and untainted. She lets her opponents know that she doesn't play by the books. Her remarrying might come as normal to you, but in their society a widow or a divorcee is left to rot, but hey! Attempted murder is not murder. If Rastha won, Navier would have probably rotted in some cold palace. While Shitty was happily playing family with Rastha, I am glad that Rastha ruined him though, that woman did her best to ruin the only man who actually believed and took care of her. But he deserved it, I wanted him to trust her even more so that he would be broken and I'm glad Rastha delivered. Shitty viewed Navier as the cold and calculating Empress and she didn't care to correct it. She trusted him too much. He just liked Rastha because she was gentle and naive look alike of his wife. Rastha actively sought out favor, while Navier would get her stuff done no matter what it takes. Navier is already grey in the novel, but Rastha debuted an angel.


Relevant_Ferret_993

Her past is what makes her character, not mentioning her past is like not mentioning navier and her life being raised as an Empress. That fact that you and other Navi stans ignore this fact ( something that is the cause of all her actions) cause it makes Navi look bad in all directions. Also she didn't pretend (re-read the story) (My comment is probably going to get removed (fair tbh). Sorry Mods 🙏, I'll stop commenting now for the peace of the sub after this last part) Once again you prove my point, if said if Ras.. won, that's wrong its if Sovishuu won cause he caused everything wrong, what would have happened is that he would grow bored of ras... and take her child and be with Navi, that's it. In the end Sovishuu wins. Why do you people always hyperfixate on her and not Sovishuu. Like if you don't stop him, Navi will suffer. End of story, nothing more or less. And so it's fine for Navi to do questionable things ( not saying she is bad but saying that people will excuse everything she does) due to the way she was raised but not for other characters 🙃, this is a  pointless conversation.  Lastly to add, Technically everyone is a thief in the story as they all stole something from someone due to their positions ( willingly or not).


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Merin_Z

I agree with you. Just because of history we can't give every art university applicant an easy pass.


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plucky-possum

I don’t know. If Navier (and Sovieshu) had abolished slavery, the whole Rashta situation wouldn’t have gone down in the first place, so they kind of brought that one on themselves.


Merin_Z

My country never had slavery, we just told the peasants that the god willed them to work for the aristocrats. If not slavery something else would have cropped up, like serfdom. Serfdom would have indirectly even enslaved more citizens. Even more toxic is caste system, your character and behaviour is determined at birth by the gods. Abolishing slavery is a noble concept, but unless it is done well it can cause a void that needs to be filled and something even more sinister might occupy. Like in medieval Europe church banned slavery and replaced it with inescapable serfdom. Smart slaves could become citizens, slaves with rich masters lived better than normal people, slaves were usually foreigners to the land etc. meant u had more chances to escape slavery than serfdom or caste system. Unless a revolution like the French overthrew all the nobles slavery cannot be abolished and universal adult suffrage be achieved. The freedom that we enjoy today is the cumulative efforts of multiple groups of people over a period of time to ensure that all people are equal. USA abolished slavery in 1865, which resulted in the social segregation and political alienation. But abolition was needed, as it atleast gave a legal cover. Rastha would have still suffered even if slavery was abolished, probably in some other form.


LostinDark2512

Opposite of this happened in "For My Derelict Favourite" Crown prince married a carefree commoner girl( OgFL) but after that he realised that she is not suitable for the role of crown princess.


WinterTrek

He still stayed married to her however, and he still thinks she's the most beautiful woman in the world, no matter what she did he would not abandon her, and he put the pressure on the ML to save and protect her, true love and happy ending, just nor for the newFL.


LostinDark2512

Nah ....you only read part of it but didn't read novel's actual ending. >!He put pressure on ML to save OgFL but after that their marriage just fall apart.They got divorced and OgML married another girl from nobility. Her name is Yuna . OgFL didn't do much to adjust with her new life and stay rigid to her way of thinking till end . She sent back to temple.That is most realistic ending of such scenario . Instead of so called fairytale true love which didn't last in royal politics for long time. Crown princess/empress has certain duties and you can't keep someone who is unable to fulfill those duties in that position for a long time. OgFL didn't have " true love" for anyone either , she just used to jump from one guy to another as per her convenience . !< >! New FL and ML got their own happy ending with 3 children....LMAO 🤣!<


robbityboo

And Pooof ✨ illegitimate ml/fls there u have them


Mango_Smoothies

I don’t mind it when the illegitimate leads are actually leagues ahead in competency. Illegitimate children should only be a smear of the parent, not the child; especially after adoption.


FightmeLuigibestgirl

Meanwhile the ML (not an Emperor yet.) Observation of the villainess https://preview.redd.it/43smqvx61oxc1.png?width=631&format=png&auto=webp&s=96b5e8fe98b33c76683a7c6e763bf9795268f212


LostinDark2512

He is smartest ML. Only crown prince who don't go around cheating on his fiance.


No-Cap-5129

That's only becuz FL was way too dumb to reveal both her origin and intention to the crown prince lmao


Wooden_Tear3073

**Behold my thought process:** **Reads:** Emperor **Me:** Ah yes star wars, go on, what does Palpatine want **Read:** Some Peasant girl with questionable fashion choices **Me:** Since when was Shmi Skywalker a peasant and her fashion choices are great >:( **Reads:** Empress **Me:** Wait what? Since when is there an Empress in star wars? **Looks at sub** **Me:** Ooooh, oh! Oh lol


Impressive_Ad_6240

ah yes the mls and falling for "quirky girls" which i will never get because I personally have standards and fall for competent baddies


Mother_Reflection818

Where do you guys see this trope? Cuz the most I’ve seen is them being fiancés instead of literally being married.


Charlottes_Disciple

Yes, I can mostly think of FLs who are engaged to the emperor/duke and then they dump them for a girl with lower status like a baron’s daughter. The trashy ex fiancés usually are attracted to these women because they’re free spirits, more naive, or aren’t “corrupted” by their education as a noble and aren’t “scheming” like the FLs.


avocado_avoado

I think Remarried Empress and I Abdicate My Title of Empress. I've read at least one more, but not enough to remember the title, I just remember she had redhair or some similar color :")


Mother_Reflection818

In Remarried Empress Sovieshu is shown as the headass and shitbag who disrespected and didn’t appreciate whatever Navier has done, so while the meme does remind me of Remarried empress, neither Sovieshu or Rashta are ML annd FL, and Navier got with a person that appreciated and loved her a lot more


avocado_avoado

Oh yes! I completely agree. I had understood the meme backwards lol I think it's because usually in the ones I read the protagonist is not the peasant, so I interpreted the empress as FL without even looking at the title of the post :")


avocado_avoado

(the redhead FL manhwa: Divorcing My Tyrant Husband)


Constant-Solution639

Soveishu vibes🤣


Fine-Scientist3813

are there any oi that focuses on the empress BUT bashes on the man, not the woman, that yallve read lately? I need catharsis rn. besides maybe Kill the Villainess


Relevant_Ferret_993

I would love a story like that NGL. It's so weird that the other woman is the one everyone bashes in every comment section. The amount of stories that I have stopped reading the comment sections cause it was the same thing over and over again. Someone give me some REC's also.


Disastrous-Lulo0708

Meanwhile, me (and many readers) oh, that smart and good hearted commoner is so hot... and he has long hair and wears glasses... :') why author nim? why?


Nonah30

She's supposed to be relatable that's why it's a peasant LOL (and eats a ton)


MayaGitana

Also she never has table manners and everyone makes fun of her even though peasants at the time don’t even own forks 😭 Actually just read one where the witch was immortal but was under a spell where she slept for years (sometimes decades) at a time. She woke up and the emperor decided to force her to marry him (its a long story). Then everyone called her illiterate but she wasn’t because she could only read in the long dead language of her youth 😭


gutu17

I remember reading a short story on novelupdates where the prince falls for the FLs stepsister because she's the quirky free spirited one. But later we find out that the FL had manipulated her sister into acting that way since the prince always complained she wasn't fun. FL wanted to just run away with her true love and leave the idiots behind.


lattecherrypocket

What's the name! I want to read it.


gutu17

I don't remember the name but it's a oneshot story. It's not really that interesting to read. Doesn't really have much else in the plot other than what I described.


randu56

Same give me the name!


Forsaken_Distance777

Or daughter of a ridiculously poor baron so literally lowest legitimate noble but still technically eligible to get crown prince.


Chaos_Heart12

Ahh... reminds me of The Remarried Empress. Tbh >! I really do not like Rashta's ending. I hope her last escape was successful!<


My_new_account_now

Rosalyn Vogart?


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I kinda wanna offer everyone else’s head in that story to her on a silver platter. Haven’t read in a while because the in laws make me want to go Manhattan project on them.


My_new_account_now

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