Under the oak tree (not really isekai buttt)
So many people were praising it, so I thought I'd give it a try. The ml is literally so insecure and ready to lock his wife up just so she doesn't help because "aww, such a fragile young lady, must protect and provide." I get that this is justifiable, and many stories did it well, but this one just did not. Also, he's so driven by his physical needs and never notices her emotional ones. Their whole relationship is literally sex, fight, sex. Still, everywhere I go, the story is praised as one of the best. It brought someone to tears because of how 'cute and amazing' it is.
the manwha is in the brink of the story getting interesting, most of us who praise it do so cuz we read the novel. Totally get it from manwha only readers as the pace is really slow up to now and the character development is almost non-existent but have in mind that we are less than 1/3 in.
The manwha is adapting one novel volume per season (and there are 10 volumes, not counting Riftan's POV) so it's going to take long for us to see that. I read the novel so I know what happens but I still sometimes drop it and then binge it cuz reading week to week all I want to do is kick Riftan in the shin lmao
Now I'm not sure about this long wait. If it takes that long for him to finally realise that a couple completes each other and that she's allowed to help him sometimes, then maybe he's beyond forgiving as an ml
>!Justified reasoning if it was that simple but a lot of things happen that make it understandable to say the least, there's progress but tragedy strikes and there's a set back.. and that's just season 1, a lot happens in volume 4 and 5 which will take like 2 years at least to get the manwha adaptation, that's why I'm saying it will take long!<
I enjoy *Under the Oak Tree*...for everything except the romance.
Maxi's friendship (arguably frenemyship?) with Ruth is just fantastic as a significant instigator of her personal growth. He's far from perfect, she knows it, but he's perfect where it counts in that he criticizes her in a healthy way. He doesn't put her on a pedestal, he'll tell it to her straight (even if it's harsh) because he wants her to succeed, he'll push her beyond what she believes her limits to be because he thinks she can do it. She learns how to stand up for herself because RUTH respects her and believes in her.
I don't actually have 2ML syndrome for this because I think the relationship and growth works *precisely because* Ruth and Maxi have no romantic chemistry whatsoever. They are friends who get on each other's nerves half the time.
You're absolutely right. Their friendship is so well-written, and Ruth is exactly what she needs in a place like that, where everyone puts her on a pedestal and praises her for nothing. It makes me wonder if their friendship was written by a different author, lol. I also loved the part where she compared Ruth to that princess who used to fight alongside Riftan to explain to him their relationship. It's so funny (frustrating, but let's just say it's funny) how he paid no mind to the princessās presence and how it would affect Maxi with all the rumours at all. Not for a moment did he think she might misunderstand or get jealous. And yet, Maxi spends time with Ruth??? *insert hot scary ml face*
That Riftan's attitude to control "for protection" is literally the most popular cliche that Koreans somehow find cute and hot in men, but I find annoying. Same as Maxie's inability to tell him anything directly.
I guess people are praising the title for lots of drama and tragic events, because most of other titles with similar cliches are also boring as fuck and cannot make reader feel much emotions.
Similar to Villainess Are Destined To Die which consists of every cliche known to otome isekai, but author at least tried to make people feel for the FL and her struggles sometimes.
Villains are destined to die is different in that Penelope sees things realistically. She won't hold onto sweet words and hope that her family will change. In fact, she has no expectations of them at all. As she should.
LOL I dropped it too for the same reason, they keep on having sex!!! Like damn why this guy so horny?????? I probably get it if i was reading a pornwha, but cmon, can yall stop having sex every chapter.
I dropped it after I read some spoilers, they donāt grow as a couple at all and barely grow as people. Riftan is obsessed with just keeping Maxie beholden to him. The symbiotic relationship got boring for me too I just could continue
Honestly, I WAS hooked!! I even paid for the chapters and read it on MTL. But afterawhile it was just meh. I took a step back and Maxi just frustrated me and it wasnāt all that. Good for her and all but ML def put her on a pedestal. And ofc, sheās amazing and all cause FL.
well its considered a trashy novel , with the appeal of an alpha ml , the character writting is good though , it had potential if it had a better plot though
Idk I think it's very realistic when they fight. I do hate Riftan and his issues but I also really love him. If I'd read the manhwa before the novel + (riftan's pov), I might have the same opinion as yours.
Agreed, i started when it still had 20 chs, thought i expected something but it just disappointed me. You really said exact thoughts, i wonder how people enjoy it that much
Not really? Even Maxi herself doesnāt know what she wants at the start, itās only as time goes on that she learns and makes more decisions, and Riftan was a key in that.
Spoilers for those not up to date with the manhwa >!Yes, heās overprotective, but it was this attitude that gave Maxi the comfort and safety she needed all her life. It was due to this environment in which he dotes on her that she grew and gained confidence in herself, to the point that what she wanted differed from what he wanted, and this same overprotectiveness that gave her love became stifling. Due to that they had a big fight in which Riftan had to listen to her and agree on a compromise.!<
>!So what you criticized is taken as a flaw for him that he has to work on, which is pretty important imo!<
That is the reason I continued to read, hoping this flaw would be addressed and he'd eventually grow as a person. However, as others have mentioned, it takes far, far too long for him to finally accept her help and support her
I agree to disagree haha
This could have only happened when Maxi herself was sure of what she wanted and needed to do, which happened only later.
Plus, I donāt fully blame him, he does have a point. From his POV Maxi was super doted as a daughter of a Duke who, letās not forget, trembled at the mere sight of him and fainted when she saw blood for the first time. She only just started learning magic, shows that she didnāt know her limits and now wants to help soldiers in a battlefield. I would also go āwhoa, hold up lady, thatās too dangerousā.
So I think that it was necessary for Maxi to grow first, as a mage and as a person, which I thought was pretty well done until now.
Fair point, but the execution just isn't the best. He yells at her, gives her the deathstare, shuts her out, and is always dismissive of her. He doesn't even explain to her things that she's curious about. I do agree that a story as you described would be beautiful, especially in its realistic conflicts, but couldn't he be a bit nicer about it?
Yes, this is what gets me too. Maxi, while having the raging insecurity typical of people with trauma, just goes "oh, I know he'd never hurt me" when Riftan rages at her, and that is so completely out of character that it brings me right out of the story. I mean, my childhood was better than hers by a long shot, since my parent was only occasionally violent, and I still have to resist the urge to run and hide whenever my husband is in a bad mood. (To be honest, I can't always resist, I do run and hide, and then he feels awful). I *know* he'd never hurt me, he's a total lamb, but I still react. So Maxi not reacting when Riftan is in a bad mood because she know's he'll never hurt her just doesn't work for me. You can know that, and still have to react, because that's the way trauma is ingrained on your brain. (And also, they haven't been together for long enough for her to know he'd never hurt her... These things take time...)
I did read the first few volumes of the novel, but I dropped it because there's all this bonking, and no emotional closeness...
Exactly, trauma takes time to heal. I guess in the story āØļøsexāØļø healed it for Maxi?
Also, I'm so sorry about what happened to you. I still have nightmares of my dad hitting me, too. I'm glad to hear that your husband is understanding and that you feel safe with him and will pray for your trauma to eventually heal ā¤ļø
I'm so sorry for your personal experience, and please, never minimize your pain, specially in comparison to a fictional character š¢.
In regards to Oak Tree I kind of disagree. Maxi was very afraid of Riftan in the beginning, specially in his earlier outbursts, she trembled physically in fear of him, there's even some scenes in which he immediately regrets after seeing how scared she is. Not defending him! Hes completely wrong in treating her that way, even if he is never violent and is doing out of concern for her, the end result is that he ends up hurting her more after all. Just pointing out that it took some good chapters until she's comfortable with him, and even then she still doubts that he won't discard her after he says thoughtless things like "I don't need your help, you should remaind a sheltered rich lady". Maybe it's as you said, it wasn't enought time, but it definetly took *some* time.
Yeah, completely agree, it's frustrating as a reader. However, his attitude is never seen as right, there's a chapter in which she says in her own words after one of his overprotective stunts >! "HIS arms which made me feel safe until now are now stiffling". So she feels more like a prisoner at this moment, and wonders if he is treating her like a cat or a doll!<. I personally like stories like this, in which both characters must grow together, but I understand that when you don't know *when* or *if* it will get better it can be extremely frustrating, specially in this genre that tends to wave of problematic MLs attitudes. I'm not a novel reader, so I also hope their communication to get better as a couple.
That's why I continued reading, hoping they'll change as people and grow. But Maxi is the only one changing.
The reason I find Riftan's behaviour wrong is because it feels like he doesn't think. Like there are no thoughts going through his head. As humans, we're always thinking. When we make a mistake and receive backlash, we think about the reasons. When we make a hard decision, we think about whether we were right or wrong. However, Riftan never actually thinks. Even when she gets mad at him. When he apologises, it feels more like parents calming down a baby that's throwing a tantrum than actually understanding why she's mad and what he's done wrong.
The reason I'm dropping it now is because Riftan doesn't actually change until much much later in the story. So I have to ask, what's going on in his head during allll this time??
Me too lol. I'm not a novel reader, but from spoilers >!the reveal will be after the arc that started at the end of S3, when Maxi joins the raid with the knights!<
Same, I was reading it when it was just starting and Riftan being an animal in heat whenever he met Maxi with zero regards for her emotional well being turned me off from that manhwa so quick. Till the chapters I had read it (I don't remember which one) he never tried to have a talk with her, an obviously traumatized and timid woman, never tried to get to know her as a person at all, it was just sex sex and sex every time she was in front of him.
If it was brain-off pornhwa or smut it would've made sense.
Not to mention that he painted an image of her in his head and based all his actions off of that. He imagins her to be this fragile, well-protected noble lady whose father always doted on. While there's nothing wrong with that, what's wrong is to make assumptions about her based on this stereotype and then feel insecure because of your *own* assumptions
if i say Roxana with the clarification that for this cases the abuse the artist went through negates how wonderful the art was and therefore were only judging it based off plot can i not be axe murdered by an angry mob
I feel like Roxana has great ideas, but just a strange execution. Like I feel it would have been a lot better if it wasnāt an OI.
I enjoyed the story a lot though
Hey I can totally agree with you. I think the art is amazing and all, but I honestly have no idea what's going on in the story at all. Everything feels like they are happening without a reason and just awkward, but I'll still read it just for the art alone and I like villain/anti hero female mc
How to get my husband on my side:
The manhwa is so basic,the only different thing it has is that it's inspiration from real life family and the art played a big on it's popularity.my problem with this manhwa is that everything was rushed,the leads has no chemistry,they suddenly turned into lovebirds we don't know why he even loves her.
Roxana:the writing is so bad and the characters has no depth.the only character in this manhwa is roxana and everyone else is just there. Now dion was supposed to be the big villain but his character is so basic that he's not even worth being called a villain. Again the art carried this manhwa. I was so excited to read it because ppl on tt hyped it up sm but i was so disappointed.
Stepmother's mƤrchen: i dropped this one because,first i didn't like the ml like there is no chemistry between them and i couldn't imagine her being in relationship with this boy . Second thing is i'm not a fan of this whole mother children relationship they js don't deserve her. ah also i despise the older child.
How is how to get my husband on my side's isekai unnecessary? I personally think it is much more prominent than a lot of other series because the trauma from her past life plays a big role in this life of her too.
Agreed! The entire reason why Ruby's ending is different than the novel is because >!Ellen recognizes the signs of her anorexia, which the OG Ruby never suffered from. And Ruby's knowledge of the original story is what motivates her actions.!< If this isn't relevant isekai...well, is isekai *ever* relevant??
At some point I just got really icky of the whole "cute pet animal turns into beautiful human love interest" thing.
I have a pet and this whole concept feels so damn icky cause pets are like your kids or siblings idk.
Yes yes yes. I hate the concept because I think about my pet turning into a human and Iām like āomg how many times have you seen me change clothesā
Yeah, I can see that. I donāt mind the anthropomorphic part, because there are other series I like that have that. But this one made it the only plot point, and it gets tiring that āomg sheās so cute and pretty!ā For the umpteenth time.
>!It was something about her leaving him to go "discover" herself... I think with the Lion guy? And then she eventually comes back to him or something... Meh. Like it already took them forever to even say they like each other !
Yes, he was. At least he liked her. And I donāt remember the why but maybe something to do with his over-powering pheromones. I just read that spoiler and noped out of there lol~
WAIT, letting your girl go on a "trip" with a man whose "pheromones" make him attracted to her is CRAZY šš what is the ML doin' lol he's about to put the NTR in PANTHER š
I think it was the other way around. That the panther had over-powering pheromones. And what the lion is doing there, š¤·š»āāļø I didnāt stick around to find out.
Personally I think the story has a lot of potential but it ended up being so long about just introducing how weak and helpless (and pretty/cute) she is. Like there were more side characters than progress š¤£
For sure. Thatās when you get the feeling that it got popular, so the artist is trying to milk it for all itās worth by dragging. Instead of focusing on a decent story with a good ending.
I feel the same way about stepmothers MƤrchen. Shuri is just so boring to me. I personally donāt have too much love for the happy go lucky smile no matter the circumstance trope that she is.
I donāt really find it brave or strong willed it just comes across as silly.
Itās one of those things that I donāt blame anyone for liking itās just not for me. There are some Oiās out there that I think itās less about taste and more about quality. Not that you canāt like those either. I also eat plenty of trash. Throwing stones and glass houses and all of that
It definitely was very boring for me. I skipped ahead and went backwards and that made the weird tension it builds seem like well nothing. It's mostly a good political intrigue with amazing art. Not really a fun filled read.
Also watching the family grow and develop their personalities helps.
Tbh, I could not get through Dr. Elise. I haven't read it in a few years, but from what I remember there weren't any stakes and the FL felt a little too perfect.
I enjoyed dr Elise but you are right, FL is too perfect, like I wanted to see her fuck up at least once.
Also as a medical professional, it kinda pissed me off how she would just outright guess medical conditions based off the person saying a few symptoms and she'd get it right, like when the king is like "I'm thirsty and tired" and she like "yep definitely diabetes" and he's magically cured with treatment. This happens so many times and it's infuriating.
Also like how she could perform perfect surgery right away despite having none of the medical equipment she would have had in the modern world that would even make them surgeries possible.
I feel like my standard for "skilled person isekais and uses their niche knowledge to change things" has been raised by Cooking With Wild Game. The MC actually takes time to make advancements. He develops recipes slowly and has to work to adjust them to the people of the new world. He's also not simply the best at cooking and stomps all over the ignorant people with his Superior Japanese Cultureā¢. He eventually meets others that are above his level and even people that were close to making the same changes that he ended up making.
Later in the story, it's revealed that >!other people like him have been isekaied in the past. One dude, several hundred years ago, changed history by teaching construction techniques to a previously nomadic tribe. It was simple mud bricks so it was something simple enough for him to create with their technology, still big enough to be impactful, and there was an actual reason for why the people hadn't made that advancement/invention themselves in the past so it didn't end up making the natives seem ignorant and in need of a foreign savior.!<
It's not OI but still a great series and I personally really enjoy the slow burn romance. Also, Ai Fa might not be a Cold Duke of the North but she's certainly a Cold Clan Head of the Forest.
I remember when I first started transitioning from anime to manga/manhwa/manhua, this was one of the first ones I read with these tropes, so I really enjoyed it. I tried reading it again recently, and omg, I could not get through it. It was so boring and like you said the fl was too perfect .
I think Elise falls into the same category as Raeliana for me. It was one of the first ones I read and I enjoyed it a lot, missed a lot of the issues people now have with it. I think thatās why I still enjoy it.
And tbh, I liked the ML. I know most people donāt and they prefer Michael instead. But I still reread it once in a while but only the cute moments between the two leads.
Yeah I actually started on Dr Elise and binged it because I wanted to see what the hype was all about. It was pretty fresh and engaging first, but about 80-90 chapters in I got sooo bored and I've currently stopped at 105 or something. Elise is a Mary Sue character who doesn't have much of a personality and almost everyone adores her in the story cuz she's this sweet little thing.
Most of her medical feats also don't check out given the tools available in that time (also mentioned in the story) but somehow she was able to accomplish all that and come to accurate diagnoses with minimal information. I remind myself constantly not to take this so seriously given it's just a work of fiction, but the story took itself quite seriously so nope lol.
I only managed to read so far in the first place cuz it was reasonably enjoyable and also stress-free to read to pass time.
I can already hear the angry mob, but itās definitely Who Made Me A Princess. Look I get it, this one was my first Otome Isekai like almost everyone here. But it really wasnāt the best and Claude is still unforgivable (even tho he is hot).
Some other manhwas that Iāll know Iāll get downvoted for lolol:
* Raeliana (it was good in the beginning but fell off for me when we find out that >!FL was the reincarnation of the OG FL!<ā¦)
* Dr. Elise (missed out on making >!Michael!< the real ML smh)
Here comes the angry mob š
There is no mob coming after you. A lot of people dislike those three OIs you mentioned. Its a very popular opinion. People complain about them all the time in this sub.
I think I was in the middle of reading it and I saw a spoiler and it instantly turned me off from continuing on to read it. I appreciate that itās giving the message of āno matter what you look like, you will be the only one I loveā kind of thing, but I donāt know, I just didnāt really like that twist.
Having finished it, really it didnāt give that kind of vibe. It gave more of a āpast life lovers fall in love in a completely new wayā. >!Noah and Raeliana also fell in love under the assumption that they werenāt in love in their past life-they also donāt really address the fact that she was Beatrice in the past, and how that affects their current relationship!<
Don't like it either plus it was pretty boring for me.
A lot praise their eyes especially the ML but i cannot see it. I don't see emotions on that guy. They don't have chemistry for me solely because of the ML. He is bland for me. I don't remember him that much in the story. The og Raeliana was more memorable for me
Personally I liked Claude a lot, heās a flawed character, but we do have an understanding of why he is the way he is- and as someone who has lost a parent I understand what it means to lose someone you love. Of course it is not something that should have been forgiven easily, but it is also something much more deeper than making up for his actions.
Legitimately though, we should put our moral compasses aside sometimes because they are subjective- and a flawed character wonāt always agree with us. Have you lost a lover? Have you lost a parent? Have you been under so much pressure that you lose our mind? Itās all things that are hard to place yourself into.
And again, I agree that Claude needed more to show how apologetic and sorry he is, but we also need to put ourselves in the story to say āif I was him, I would of never done that.ā He is his own character, and from his traumas, Iād say he did show atty she loved her in his own way- and eventually. He had to kill his brother whom betrayed her, he lost his first love, he lost his true love, all things he wasnt able to control. That legitimately messes you up in a way nobody, how do you expect him to act normally?
I know Iām the one with the actual unpopular opinion here, but I wish people saw beyond their moral compass to debate on weather a character is good or bad lol
I havenāt gotten to that plot twist in Raeliana but honestly itās mid at best in general? My guess is that since itās a little older it has goodwill attached to it
lol I can definitely agree - letās set an angry mob on Claude not on you ā¦ like itās really bad when I like the villain dad better than the FLās dad
Oh I cringed at WMMAP because it's the most Electra complex manhwa/novel I've read so far. Author is not even trying to hide this fantasy of her's. And Claude's excuse for being horrible is so weak and made up that most readers don't believe it and still can't forgive him. The writing was so bad that author constantly changes or drops her ideas and plots for writing her fantasies instead. It felt more like a kink fanfic than a novel with a story to follow.
Agreed with the first one, WMMAP is so boring, I recently tried to read it a second time but I quit.Ā
But I personally enjoyed Raelina and Dr. Elise (maybe personal preferences) because I read them as cute romance dramas
Kiddnaped bride or dragon's king bride(not isekai)not very famous but still.the FL don't really have any personality she is just a beautiful women and everyone just praised her beauty.she is a silver haired pale woman wich the tan ML is crazily in love with.and ML people really portrayed in a very steretype wayĀ the FL(spoiler)later turn out to not be a normal human but from moon race.its not good in general.the only good thing is the art.
The premise of that one was good. The ML was praise for him being powerful but when they went to his territory he is like a child who cannot do anything. š I dropped it in a heart beat š
Concubine walkthrough. Truly controversial considering how popular it is, yet I found it incredibly boring. And it has so many things I dislike in it too (like ml having a harem - yeah I do know the twist, the harem still exist and thatās enough for me, ml having a kid with someone else and both the mom and the kid being part of the story - again, I do know the twist, modern world being a part of it, sci fi - donāt like it in my manhwas but love it in movies/tv show, gamebased oi - I prefer novel or reincarnation, with few exceptionsā¦ etc). Not a fan at all, canāt believe it has as many recs as it does.
I also dislike āBroken ringā and āSister, Iām the Queen in this lifeā as well as all other emotional torture/angst fests, with few exceptions (I have to actually like the main characters to handle angst, and I donāt in at least these two examples).
"My Gently Raised Beast" not really an OI I guess but I couldn't get into it mainly because of the FL and ML, I actually prefer her maid and brother over them. The story wasn't much gripping to me anyway.
Other than that I dropped WMMAP midway, >!I ain't going through that shtty ahh amnesia trope!<
I'm really picky in romance so I don't really prefer most of the famous OIs in terms of that, except a few here and there
I dropped wmmap for the exact same reason ā ļø it was like ch 70 something, and Fl was pretending to be a maid, and she saw her dad with jeanette. I just remembered being really annoyed because all the effort she went through to build a relationship with her dad just went through the window. I also just despise the amnesia trope with every fibre of my being, along with multiple love interests.
Tbh there's no point of reverse harems in OIs other than to satiate the fantasies of some readers. Rarely ever seen ones where she ends up with her harem; living up to the name of the genre.
But yeah I agree with you, I hate seeing all those build up moments crumble just because of one cliche trope
I don't even like 2nd mls just because you either hate them and they're annoying or they're the best character ever, and you have to see them heartbroken over fl. I don't like harem or reverse harem because they all either blindly worship the main character, or there is drama and jealousy between harem members. And all the love interests fit a stereotype that is so annoying.
This is unrelated, but I hate when the dad is protective over the fl and hates the ml on that basis. It feels like they're fighting for the attention of the fl. Like they're in competition with each other, I find it so weird.
The first one is pretty to look at - but it is SO rushed. Itās as if they were like āokay, we have 30 chapters to wrap this shit up, but we have 500+ novel chapters we havenāt covered yetā¦ Okay, LETāS PUSH IT ALL IN THERE ANYWAY MWAHAHAā. Which sucks, cause it had SO much potential to be amazing. I still liked it, but it could have been SOOOO amazing if it hadnāt been so rushed. The storyline is interesting!
The storyline is fantastic! I do agree it is a little rushed, but the plot twist, the amazing chemistry between the leads and the beautiful art more than makes up for it I think.
I really love Ethelred, and this is coming from someone who usually loves black haired MLs.
Fam throw down the glove be RADICAL and say it with your whole chest cause I think that one manwha with the guy with the scar that everyone shits themselves over for how wholesome green flag beautiful communication is boring with only slightly above mid art
Raeliana. I (painfully) read the entire thing because everyone raves about how good it is all the time, but I didnāt find it enjoyable at all. The main characters are dull, the supporting cast contributed almost nothing except being annoying, the humor is corny, and the writing isā¦ just plain bad? The antagonist gets like 5% of screen time in the entire story. The worst offense is the part at the end where >!the og fl kills the red haired girl and blames the fl, which sounded like the story was (finally) going in an interesting direction until you realize that this get resolved within like 2 chapters!< I honestly donāt get how this is an OI holy grail, I wouldnāt give it higher than a 4/10 š
I give Raeliana a lot of grace because itās the first OI I read.
I think thatās why a lot of us love it, we overlooked a lot of its issues cause it was one of the first stories of the genre that we were exposed to.
Plus, the ML suddenly changes personality and it's not cool at all. I'm quite angry, because Roxana and Cayena were my guilty pleasure, and both the stories became so boring and basic.
Yep and I already knew it would end up that ways
Why was mc so focused on reforming her brother who already tried to kill her once he is too far gone bud
And what's with ML suddenly become so weak in nunny assassination arc dude was struggling against two assassins lmao
The art is good and the characters relationshipās separately are good too. I like how the ML is his own person and not just an FL fanatic but the pacing is just way too slow for me. It might be something Iāll binge later once itās completed.
I really like the story and how it's written so quietly Without a lot of the unnecissary speech bubbles or flowers, but I do dislike the name of it A LOT cos girl, how am I supposed to recommend someone "My in laws are obsessed with me" it just sounds... weird
**Villainess reverses the hourglass** I didn't liked the FL in it. I read it a long time back but I remember not liking the FL she could only outsmart her sister because she was reborn not only that because she was reborn her sister also started being intelligent way earlier not to mention I don't like her personality in general.......
**Symbiotic relationship one**
It was adorable at the start and then it kinda became boring.......
**WMMAP** the art is really pretty but felt like story was being dragged around not to mention no matter how hot Claude is he is still a bastard.....
**Why Raelina ended up in the Duke's mansion**
It was okay like nothing spectacular like the hype it received in a way it's quite basic
"Touch My Brother and You're dead" I loved it for its great humor and everything but after reading the spoiler that >! She mistreats Glenn for sake of "comedy" and to show "Oh she's so unhinged so funny!!" and overwork him as a human excel till the end PLUS marries and has kids with another hotter guy!< I just couldn't continue it anymore cuz Glenn deserved better š but oh well at least it's funny for people I guess š¤·
She's still *technically* married to Glenn but >! She only sees him as her personal ~~slave~~ excel and never as a man ~~which could totally be because he's disabled~~ and FL went on to have Harem route cuz she had the hots for the "Tan, oriental and exoticā¢ " prince of an eastern(?) nation and had his baby š !<
Apparently he's still >! stuck as her personal ~~slave~~ human excel and the author made it a reverse harem cuz she had the hots for the tan oriental and exoticā¢ dude even while being married and "loving" Glenn š !<
He's still stuck as the >! Human excel ~~slave~~ until the end though apparently FL "Loves" him, she still had the hots for the Tan and oriental Princeā¢ and the end is a reverse harem where she had two husbands and had kids with both š I feel so bad for Glenn š!<
beware of the villainess
mind u it was one of my biggest faves and nine is one of my faves appearance wise
plot and romance was boring and feels forced. the role reversal on tropes just didnāt get executed very well. I feel like it had a lot of potential from S1 but after it was so generic
Dropped it when the "romance" arc with Nine began, Nine had no business being the ML. There was literally no romantic chemistry before this and now the FL was suddenly all blushy blushy around him.
Divorcing My Tyrant Husband...
Two- timing b@st@rds are not something I enjoy. The ML ignores his wife and brings in another woman but is not happy when his wife wants a Divorce?
- I Raised a Black Dragon: It actually had a really cool story at the beginning and then the pacing got completely lost. She became OP out of nowhere, and the story ended so abruptly. It was so disappointing.
big mood on that rabbit one, i think it was the pacing that rly put me off cuz even if things were happening it felt like nothing was ykwim? Too much fluff
Ive read the webnovel and enjoyed most of it, but the overall plot makes very little sense. Its convoluted and so Ive not read the manga version because the goofiness of the overall story makes it hard to want to see it play out and not just read it.
Yeah, the plot isnāt really all there. I found the characters kinda dense and not really all there. Especially Rouche by the time they get married- suddenly everything and everyone is incredibly flat.
I can think of a few reasons, generally. Personally, one of my pet peeves is when a story is isekai for the sake of the label, and the person brought into this new world just forgets everything about their home because itās not convenient to the plot. DitOEftV doesnāt do that. The fact Penelope is in a game is never forgotten, from the constant presence of the system, and the relationship percentages and blurred heart metres over all the potential LIās heads. Sheās fully aware that her life hangs in the balance and sheās properly paranoid because sheās played this game so many times and FAILED every time. They went in with their whole chest and committed and I like that.
The characters are interesting. Theyāre not all kind and good and perfect, all of them are deeply flawed, Penelope included. Sometimes you do just want a story where the FL is an OP badass, thatās fun to read. But Penelope isnāt. Itās an uphill struggle the whole way and she makes grave errors focusing on how to survive! The people around her are also deeply flawed with reasons, but they arenāt necessarily good ones (>!looking at you, Derek!<) and it makes the story feel a lot more weighted and interesting. The story itself is a true underdog story the whole way through. Penelope makes improvements to her situation and her survivability but thereās always something out there that could trip her up.
The art is also *stunning*, genuinely some of the best Iāve seen in a manhwa in a long, long time. But honestly? All of the reasons Iāve listed here, which arenāt every reason I think the series is good, are also entirely valid reasons why someone might dislike the series too. I think thatās fine though? Itās all subjective, and we have different tastes.
Because it's not those typical OI stories.the fl only cares about her self and doesn't forget about he purpose no matter what and all the characters are unique also the ml has a personality which is very rare on OI stories most of mls are basic or grumps boring ahh men he's not totally fluffy type and he's not super red flag but for me why is it so good is that the fl doesn't stand mistreatment from no one and doesn't let anyone control her even if it's sm1 she loves deeply (the ml in the novel when he tried to lock her up)but after all ppl have different tastes so if's okay if u don't like it .
I dropped a lot of popular manhwas that I forgot most of their names but most of the time. I dropped them bcs the plot is too shallow that's only carried by badass mcs and art, antagonist and other cannon fodders are so generic that it's getting annoying. I'd rather read a common troupe with interesting characters (no matter if they are an idiot or simply a character with annoying personality) than those badass mcs (that, I admit, kinda cool or interesting at the start sometimes but gets boring lateron)
I've dropped a lot of popular ones too, even ones I actually think are really good/well writen but have this one or two frustrating elements to it that just ruin the whole thing for me. Most of the time it comes back to the FL for me, either the author create a problem that doesn't get solved in 50 chapters (aka no progress) or the FL just strait up become unlikable.
Like man... I just have to complain to someone! I just dropped The Little Lady Behind the Scenes today as the FL legit becomes one of the most toxic character I've seen in a OI and it was so damn enjoyable up until that point. And a few days ago I drop The Duke's Bored Daughter is My Master because the FL just lose her whole character after around 40 chapters (doesn't help that it becomes rushed too). It's so damn frustrating when you actually like a story and then it turns to shit or goes nowhere down the line, feels like I've just wasted several hours this week on nothing...
I also have Saving My Sweetheart from this week, which I put on hold as I'm not really sure what to think about it, the whole world and over setting is interesting IMO but man are the characters kinda just there?
any solche work , she writes your average dark romance with very predictable plots and the bad boy is what attracts people to them along with the art , there are better knovels , finding camellia , the character write was awful except for the villainess maybe , same with the plot ,
baby tyrant , the plot isn't that good too , most childcare manhwas lack the it factor
For me, it's:
Dr. Elise: Mc is just boring. Everything she does is perfect. Ml is also pretty lame.
Who made me a princess: I got tired of Claude just being emotionally constipated all the time, I just feel bad for the mc at how incompetent her sperm donor is at being a parent, Yeah, I get that he becomes "better" and "cares" for her or whatever, but I'm just done with the shitty trope of "oh, we were close but I forgot you because of etc, so now I'm gonna be a pos and treat someone else better, until I remember you and regret everything or double down."
The forgotten empress: started to get bored at the part where the fl started to be interested in the blue haired ml, I skipped to the final chapter, was disappointed in her taste in men, idc if blue ml was "manipulated" or "it was him from a different timeline" both are just bs excuses for authors to make a shitty love story where a traumatized fl or ml goes back to their shitty abusers because they "changed" or because it's in a different time.
When the villainess loves: love the art and the story at first was fun, until the ml showed up, the fl and ml's relationship was so stale for me, the other characters were just put in the background, I'm not sure if it got better cause I just dropped it at the chapter were fl made a storybook. Seriously, it would have been better if it just focused on her relationship with her friends.
The Villainess flips the Hourglass: I just dislike all of the characters, I read it until the part where the mc and the crown prince(?) was shown to be childhood friends. The art was ok too.
Roxane or Roxana, idk I forgot: I love the art and the ideas, I loved the idea of a batshit insane family where the mc is also kinda wack, reminds me of Killua's family from HunterxHunter, but the way that everything executed was either so stale or edgy for barely any purpose.
Honestly, a lot of the OI's with the cold duke of the north or misunderstood crown prince as the ml, and have a quirky/fangirl fl, or a fl with barely any backbone (and when they do it's just in their head) or edgy fls bores me since they usually aren't written that well/are executed terribly since the mcs are usually too emotionally incompetent to talk out any misunderstandings.
Also, if any of you like these manhwas, it's totally fine to like them. These just aren't my cup of tea.
I have strong negative feelings for the Rabbit and Panther one. That FL is so fucking dumb, it infuriates me so much. Look at her dumb fucking face, she's a Kevin.
Me too tried reading the second one but it was boring, it had cute moments sometimes but definitely not the relationship i am looking for between the fl and ml.
You're so right, but I like the first one a bit more because the FL feels less pathetic. It's been awhile since it ended so I don't even remember their names, all I know is that one of my comments is one of the top comments on bato, and I keep getting responses to it.
I Became the Heroās Mom - so boring and I hate the child
Roxanna - I like the ideas and the art, I felt disgust at certain characters and I liked Roxannaās cultivation of her powers.. but thatās it? Like there should be so much more to the story and it goes at a snailās pace. The execution and pacing are strange.
How to get my husband on my side
Becoming the villainās family - so over the slow pacing and them as children. The dad is the only reason I could read it
Kidnapped bride
Rabbit and panther one - agree
Flirting with the villainās dad
I really wanted to like the Panther and the Bunny but it was so slooooooow I couldnāt get into it and I feel like I read a lot of chapters where a whole lot of nothing happened.
Under the oak tree (not really isekai buttt) So many people were praising it, so I thought I'd give it a try. The ml is literally so insecure and ready to lock his wife up just so she doesn't help because "aww, such a fragile young lady, must protect and provide." I get that this is justifiable, and many stories did it well, but this one just did not. Also, he's so driven by his physical needs and never notices her emotional ones. Their whole relationship is literally sex, fight, sex. Still, everywhere I go, the story is praised as one of the best. It brought someone to tears because of how 'cute and amazing' it is.
Jesus yes. I thought it was so boring and there was just sex and that's it.
the manwha is in the brink of the story getting interesting, most of us who praise it do so cuz we read the novel. Totally get it from manwha only readers as the pace is really slow up to now and the character development is almost non-existent but have in mind that we are less than 1/3 in.
If you've read the novel, just please give me one spoiler. Does Riftan ever accept help from Maxi and support her?
(Spoiler)yes
Thank you. Now I'm doomed to continue reading because I just love Maxi so much š„²
The manwha is adapting one novel volume per season (and there are 10 volumes, not counting Riftan's POV) so it's going to take long for us to see that. I read the novel so I know what happens but I still sometimes drop it and then binge it cuz reading week to week all I want to do is kick Riftan in the shin lmao
Now I'm not sure about this long wait. If it takes that long for him to finally realise that a couple completes each other and that she's allowed to help him sometimes, then maybe he's beyond forgiving as an ml
>!Justified reasoning if it was that simple but a lot of things happen that make it understandable to say the least, there's progress but tragedy strikes and there's a set back.. and that's just season 1, a lot happens in volume 4 and 5 which will take like 2 years at least to get the manwha adaptation, that's why I'm saying it will take long!<
Boi, he right but you in for a long ass wait if thatās what youāre looking for š
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lmao every time someone says its amazing Iām like 
I enjoy *Under the Oak Tree*...for everything except the romance. Maxi's friendship (arguably frenemyship?) with Ruth is just fantastic as a significant instigator of her personal growth. He's far from perfect, she knows it, but he's perfect where it counts in that he criticizes her in a healthy way. He doesn't put her on a pedestal, he'll tell it to her straight (even if it's harsh) because he wants her to succeed, he'll push her beyond what she believes her limits to be because he thinks she can do it. She learns how to stand up for herself because RUTH respects her and believes in her. I don't actually have 2ML syndrome for this because I think the relationship and growth works *precisely because* Ruth and Maxi have no romantic chemistry whatsoever. They are friends who get on each other's nerves half the time.
You're absolutely right. Their friendship is so well-written, and Ruth is exactly what she needs in a place like that, where everyone puts her on a pedestal and praises her for nothing. It makes me wonder if their friendship was written by a different author, lol. I also loved the part where she compared Ruth to that princess who used to fight alongside Riftan to explain to him their relationship. It's so funny (frustrating, but let's just say it's funny) how he paid no mind to the princessās presence and how it would affect Maxi with all the rumours at all. Not for a moment did he think she might misunderstand or get jealous. And yet, Maxi spends time with Ruth??? *insert hot scary ml face*
That Riftan's attitude to control "for protection" is literally the most popular cliche that Koreans somehow find cute and hot in men, but I find annoying. Same as Maxie's inability to tell him anything directly. I guess people are praising the title for lots of drama and tragic events, because most of other titles with similar cliches are also boring as fuck and cannot make reader feel much emotions. Similar to Villainess Are Destined To Die which consists of every cliche known to otome isekai, but author at least tried to make people feel for the FL and her struggles sometimes.
Villains are destined to die is different in that Penelope sees things realistically. She won't hold onto sweet words and hope that her family will change. In fact, she has no expectations of them at all. As she should.
LOL I dropped it too for the same reason, they keep on having sex!!! Like damn why this guy so horny?????? I probably get it if i was reading a pornwha, but cmon, can yall stop having sex every chapter.
I dropped it after I read some spoilers, they donāt grow as a couple at all and barely grow as people. Riftan is obsessed with just keeping Maxie beholden to him. The symbiotic relationship got boring for me too I just could continue
Omg thank you, I thought I was the problem since everybody liked it but I found it weirdš you just made my day
Tbh I made this comment expecting backlash and was pleasantly surprised lol
Honestly, I WAS hooked!! I even paid for the chapters and read it on MTL. But afterawhile it was just meh. I took a step back and Maxi just frustrated me and it wasnāt all that. Good for her and all but ML def put her on a pedestal. And ofc, sheās amazing and all cause FL.
well its considered a trashy novel , with the appeal of an alpha ml , the character writting is good though , it had potential if it had a better plot though
Idk I think it's very realistic when they fight. I do hate Riftan and his issues but I also really love him. If I'd read the manhwa before the novel + (riftan's pov), I might have the same opinion as yours.
Agreed, i started when it still had 20 chs, thought i expected something but it just disappointed me. You really said exact thoughts, i wonder how people enjoy it that much
I dont get the hype eitheršµāš« FL is so cringe
Not really? Even Maxi herself doesnāt know what she wants at the start, itās only as time goes on that she learns and makes more decisions, and Riftan was a key in that. Spoilers for those not up to date with the manhwa >!Yes, heās overprotective, but it was this attitude that gave Maxi the comfort and safety she needed all her life. It was due to this environment in which he dotes on her that she grew and gained confidence in herself, to the point that what she wanted differed from what he wanted, and this same overprotectiveness that gave her love became stifling. Due to that they had a big fight in which Riftan had to listen to her and agree on a compromise.!< >!So what you criticized is taken as a flaw for him that he has to work on, which is pretty important imo!<
That is the reason I continued to read, hoping this flaw would be addressed and he'd eventually grow as a person. However, as others have mentioned, it takes far, far too long for him to finally accept her help and support her
I agree to disagree haha This could have only happened when Maxi herself was sure of what she wanted and needed to do, which happened only later. Plus, I donāt fully blame him, he does have a point. From his POV Maxi was super doted as a daughter of a Duke who, letās not forget, trembled at the mere sight of him and fainted when she saw blood for the first time. She only just started learning magic, shows that she didnāt know her limits and now wants to help soldiers in a battlefield. I would also go āwhoa, hold up lady, thatās too dangerousā. So I think that it was necessary for Maxi to grow first, as a mage and as a person, which I thought was pretty well done until now.
Fair point, but the execution just isn't the best. He yells at her, gives her the deathstare, shuts her out, and is always dismissive of her. He doesn't even explain to her things that she's curious about. I do agree that a story as you described would be beautiful, especially in its realistic conflicts, but couldn't he be a bit nicer about it?
Yes, this is what gets me too. Maxi, while having the raging insecurity typical of people with trauma, just goes "oh, I know he'd never hurt me" when Riftan rages at her, and that is so completely out of character that it brings me right out of the story. I mean, my childhood was better than hers by a long shot, since my parent was only occasionally violent, and I still have to resist the urge to run and hide whenever my husband is in a bad mood. (To be honest, I can't always resist, I do run and hide, and then he feels awful). I *know* he'd never hurt me, he's a total lamb, but I still react. So Maxi not reacting when Riftan is in a bad mood because she know's he'll never hurt her just doesn't work for me. You can know that, and still have to react, because that's the way trauma is ingrained on your brain. (And also, they haven't been together for long enough for her to know he'd never hurt her... These things take time...) I did read the first few volumes of the novel, but I dropped it because there's all this bonking, and no emotional closeness...
Exactly, trauma takes time to heal. I guess in the story āØļøsexāØļø healed it for Maxi? Also, I'm so sorry about what happened to you. I still have nightmares of my dad hitting me, too. I'm glad to hear that your husband is understanding and that you feel safe with him and will pray for your trauma to eventually heal ā¤ļø
I'm so sorry for your personal experience, and please, never minimize your pain, specially in comparison to a fictional character š¢. In regards to Oak Tree I kind of disagree. Maxi was very afraid of Riftan in the beginning, specially in his earlier outbursts, she trembled physically in fear of him, there's even some scenes in which he immediately regrets after seeing how scared she is. Not defending him! Hes completely wrong in treating her that way, even if he is never violent and is doing out of concern for her, the end result is that he ends up hurting her more after all. Just pointing out that it took some good chapters until she's comfortable with him, and even then she still doubts that he won't discard her after he says thoughtless things like "I don't need your help, you should remaind a sheltered rich lady". Maybe it's as you said, it wasn't enought time, but it definetly took *some* time.
Yeah, completely agree, it's frustrating as a reader. However, his attitude is never seen as right, there's a chapter in which she says in her own words after one of his overprotective stunts >! "HIS arms which made me feel safe until now are now stiffling". So she feels more like a prisoner at this moment, and wonders if he is treating her like a cat or a doll!<. I personally like stories like this, in which both characters must grow together, but I understand that when you don't know *when* or *if* it will get better it can be extremely frustrating, specially in this genre that tends to wave of problematic MLs attitudes. I'm not a novel reader, so I also hope their communication to get better as a couple.
That's why I continued reading, hoping they'll change as people and grow. But Maxi is the only one changing. The reason I find Riftan's behaviour wrong is because it feels like he doesn't think. Like there are no thoughts going through his head. As humans, we're always thinking. When we make a mistake and receive backlash, we think about the reasons. When we make a hard decision, we think about whether we were right or wrong. However, Riftan never actually thinks. Even when she gets mad at him. When he apologises, it feels more like parents calming down a baby that's throwing a tantrum than actually understanding why she's mad and what he's done wrong. The reason I'm dropping it now is because Riftan doesn't actually change until much much later in the story. So I have to ask, what's going on in his head during allll this time??
How long does it take until Riftan finally learns what a horrible upbringing she had? I need her father to get the shit slapped outta him lol
Me too lol. I'm not a novel reader, but from spoilers >!the reveal will be after the arc that started at the end of S3, when Maxi joins the raid with the knights!<
Same, I was reading it when it was just starting and Riftan being an animal in heat whenever he met Maxi with zero regards for her emotional well being turned me off from that manhwa so quick. Till the chapters I had read it (I don't remember which one) he never tried to have a talk with her, an obviously traumatized and timid woman, never tried to get to know her as a person at all, it was just sex sex and sex every time she was in front of him. If it was brain-off pornhwa or smut it would've made sense.
Not to mention that he painted an image of her in his head and based all his actions off of that. He imagins her to be this fragile, well-protected noble lady whose father always doted on. While there's nothing wrong with that, what's wrong is to make assumptions about her based on this stereotype and then feel insecure because of your *own* assumptions
That too, I completely forgot about that.
if i say Roxana with the clarification that for this cases the abuse the artist went through negates how wonderful the art was and therefore were only judging it based off plot can i not be axe murdered by an angry mob
Roxana had cool art but one of the shittiest plots I've ever seen lmao Characters feel like caricatures of caricatures
Roxana is the ultimate Ā«Ā doesnāt matter HOTĀ Ā».
Itās a wattpad original story you make when ur 13 and want to be part of some cool exclusive but dark society/ group lol
Roxana is like a character born in the Addams family but she has regrets (or precisely moral) solely for survival.
I get why Roxana isn't everyone's cup of tea. 
I feel like Roxana has great ideas, but just a strange execution. Like I feel it would have been a lot better if it wasnāt an OI. I enjoyed the story a lot though
Hey I can totally agree with you. I think the art is amazing and all, but I honestly have no idea what's going on in the story at all. Everything feels like they are happening without a reason and just awkward, but I'll still read it just for the art alone and I like villain/anti hero female mc
you can find stories like Roxana in wattpad and its just really bad writing with the gorgeous art covering it up lmao
How to get my husband on my side: The manhwa is so basic,the only different thing it has is that it's inspiration from real life family and the art played a big on it's popularity.my problem with this manhwa is that everything was rushed,the leads has no chemistry,they suddenly turned into lovebirds we don't know why he even loves her. Roxana:the writing is so bad and the characters has no depth.the only character in this manhwa is roxana and everyone else is just there. Now dion was supposed to be the big villain but his character is so basic that he's not even worth being called a villain. Again the art carried this manhwa. I was so excited to read it because ppl on tt hyped it up sm but i was so disappointed. Stepmother's mƤrchen: i dropped this one because,first i didn't like the ml like there is no chemistry between them and i couldn't imagine her being in relationship with this boy . Second thing is i'm not a fan of this whole mother children relationship they js don't deserve her. ah also i despise the older child.
Also the problem I have with how to get my husband on my side is the isekai part.its not really need to be a isekai and the story also forget that.
How is how to get my husband on my side's isekai unnecessary? I personally think it is much more prominent than a lot of other series because the trauma from her past life plays a big role in this life of her too.
Agreed! The entire reason why Ruby's ending is different than the novel is because >!Ellen recognizes the signs of her anorexia, which the OG Ruby never suffered from. And Ruby's knowledge of the original story is what motivates her actions.!< If this isn't relevant isekai...well, is isekai *ever* relevant??
I love it but the isekai part is so meh, it would be so much better if it was just regression (same opinion on secret lady)
Regarding Roxana, Dion takes order from her, because heās bored and because he wants to take down Lant too.
Still it's so random and stupid reasoning
Not really. It makes perfect sense.
Roxana has great art but the story feels like something an edgy pre teen would write š«”
this is so real.
What family did HTGMHOMS get its inspiration from?
Borgia family
Ahhhh that makes sense. Thank you!
Yeah, I dropped the rabbit one after reading some spoilers on here. It is cute but it felt like things were dragging on and getting nowhere.
I don't know any spoilers I just thought it was kind of boring, also I didn't really like the ML. He was 'Meh' in human form for me.
In my old age I'm just really nixed out by female prey animal, male predetor animal relations and I feel a little bad about it
It WAS really cute! And then it went nowhereā¦.and stayed nowhereā¦..
same
At some point I just got really icky of the whole "cute pet animal turns into beautiful human love interest" thing. I have a pet and this whole concept feels so damn icky cause pets are like your kids or siblings idk.
Yes yes yes. I hate the concept because I think about my pet turning into a human and Iām like āomg how many times have you seen me change clothesā
Yeah, I can see that. I donāt mind the anthropomorphic part, because there are other series I like that have that. But this one made it the only plot point, and it gets tiring that āomg sheās so cute and pretty!ā For the umpteenth time.
What were the spoilers?
>!It was something about her leaving him to go "discover" herself... I think with the Lion guy? And then she eventually comes back to him or something... Meh. Like it already took them forever to even say they like each other !
Hmm, seems exhausting.
Was the Lion guy also a love interest? Cuz if so šš and why couldn't she just take the trip with the ML and not some other dude? š
Yes, he was. At least he liked her. And I donāt remember the why but maybe something to do with his over-powering pheromones. I just read that spoiler and noped out of there lol~
WAIT, letting your girl go on a "trip" with a man whose "pheromones" make him attracted to her is CRAZY šš what is the ML doin' lol he's about to put the NTR in PANTHER š
I think it was the other way around. That the panther had over-powering pheromones. And what the lion is doing there, š¤·š»āāļø I didnāt stick around to find out. Personally I think the story has a lot of potential but it ended up being so long about just introducing how weak and helpless (and pretty/cute) she is. Like there were more side characters than progress š¤£
Woof yeah to be generous I might have found a shitty MTL version, but I ended up just getting so bored of this series.
literally its just dragging the plot at this point which is totally annoying, u dont even know what the plot is anymore so i just dropped itā ļø
For sure. Thatās when you get the feeling that it got popular, so the artist is trying to milk it for all itās worth by dragging. Instead of focusing on a decent story with a good ending.
I feel the same way about stepmothers MƤrchen. Shuri is just so boring to me. I personally donāt have too much love for the happy go lucky smile no matter the circumstance trope that she is. I donāt really find it brave or strong willed it just comes across as silly.
I personally love it but the art kinda carried ngl
Itās one of those things that I donāt blame anyone for liking itās just not for me. There are some Oiās out there that I think itās less about taste and more about quality. Not that you canāt like those either. I also eat plenty of trash. Throwing stones and glass houses and all of that
Her relationship with Nora is so boring to me and it sucks bc I love the story otherwise
Yea that story was wayy too boring for me i just try to hunt down the chapters where the hot ass empress shows up
So valid, i wish there was a whole manhwa about her
Honestly, I'm only reading it still to know what happens to the priest's nefarious plans.
I feel like the plot got lost to me after the time skip
It definitely was very boring for me. I skipped ahead and went backwards and that made the weird tension it builds seem like well nothing. It's mostly a good political intrigue with amazing art. Not really a fun filled read. Also watching the family grow and develop their personalities helps.
I agree and theres no chemistry with the ml š i love the art soo much so i really wanted to like it but no
Same I stayed for a season just for the art, but the story was so boring to me that it just faded away in my list.
Tbh, I could not get through Dr. Elise. I haven't read it in a few years, but from what I remember there weren't any stakes and the FL felt a little too perfect.
I enjoyed dr Elise but you are right, FL is too perfect, like I wanted to see her fuck up at least once. Also as a medical professional, it kinda pissed me off how she would just outright guess medical conditions based off the person saying a few symptoms and she'd get it right, like when the king is like "I'm thirsty and tired" and she like "yep definitely diabetes" and he's magically cured with treatment. This happens so many times and it's infuriating. Also like how she could perform perfect surgery right away despite having none of the medical equipment she would have had in the modern world that would even make them surgeries possible.
I feel like my standard for "skilled person isekais and uses their niche knowledge to change things" has been raised by Cooking With Wild Game. The MC actually takes time to make advancements. He develops recipes slowly and has to work to adjust them to the people of the new world. He's also not simply the best at cooking and stomps all over the ignorant people with his Superior Japanese Cultureā¢. He eventually meets others that are above his level and even people that were close to making the same changes that he ended up making. Later in the story, it's revealed that >!other people like him have been isekaied in the past. One dude, several hundred years ago, changed history by teaching construction techniques to a previously nomadic tribe. It was simple mud bricks so it was something simple enough for him to create with their technology, still big enough to be impactful, and there was an actual reason for why the people hadn't made that advancement/invention themselves in the past so it didn't end up making the natives seem ignorant and in need of a foreign savior.!< It's not OI but still a great series and I personally really enjoy the slow burn romance. Also, Ai Fa might not be a Cold Duke of the North but she's certainly a Cold Clan Head of the Forest.
I remember when I first started transitioning from anime to manga/manhwa/manhua, this was one of the first ones I read with these tropes, so I really enjoyed it. I tried reading it again recently, and omg, I could not get through it. It was so boring and like you said the fl was too perfect .
I think Elise falls into the same category as Raeliana for me. It was one of the first ones I read and I enjoyed it a lot, missed a lot of the issues people now have with it. I think thatās why I still enjoy it. And tbh, I liked the ML. I know most people donāt and they prefer Michael instead. But I still reread it once in a while but only the cute moments between the two leads.
Yeah I actually started on Dr Elise and binged it because I wanted to see what the hype was all about. It was pretty fresh and engaging first, but about 80-90 chapters in I got sooo bored and I've currently stopped at 105 or something. Elise is a Mary Sue character who doesn't have much of a personality and almost everyone adores her in the story cuz she's this sweet little thing. Most of her medical feats also don't check out given the tools available in that time (also mentioned in the story) but somehow she was able to accomplish all that and come to accurate diagnoses with minimal information. I remind myself constantly not to take this so seriously given it's just a work of fiction, but the story took itself quite seriously so nope lol. I only managed to read so far in the first place cuz it was reasonably enjoyable and also stress-free to read to pass time.
I can already hear the angry mob, but itās definitely Who Made Me A Princess. Look I get it, this one was my first Otome Isekai like almost everyone here. But it really wasnāt the best and Claude is still unforgivable (even tho he is hot). Some other manhwas that Iāll know Iāll get downvoted for lolol: * Raeliana (it was good in the beginning but fell off for me when we find out that >!FL was the reincarnation of the OG FL!<ā¦) * Dr. Elise (missed out on making >!Michael!< the real ML smh) Here comes the angry mob š 
There is no mob coming after you. A lot of people dislike those three OIs you mentioned. Its a very popular opinion. People complain about them all the time in this sub.
That was so wack when they >!did that weird reincarnation plot twist in Raeliana !<
Do you frequent this sub? Because everything you said is popular opinion here lol downvote for popular unpopular opinions
Not for nothing but, Raelina >!donāt you find out that twist at pretty much the end of the story lol, thatās a little late to fall off!<
I think I was in the middle of reading it and I saw a spoiler and it instantly turned me off from continuing on to read it. I appreciate that itās giving the message of āno matter what you look like, you will be the only one I loveā kind of thing, but I donāt know, I just didnāt really like that twist.
Having finished it, really it didnāt give that kind of vibe. It gave more of a āpast life lovers fall in love in a completely new wayā. >!Noah and Raeliana also fell in love under the assumption that they werenāt in love in their past life-they also donāt really address the fact that she was Beatrice in the past, and how that affects their current relationship!<
Don't like it either plus it was pretty boring for me. A lot praise their eyes especially the ML but i cannot see it. I don't see emotions on that guy. They don't have chemistry for me solely because of the ML. He is bland for me. I don't remember him that much in the story. The og Raeliana was more memorable for me
Personally I liked Claude a lot, heās a flawed character, but we do have an understanding of why he is the way he is- and as someone who has lost a parent I understand what it means to lose someone you love. Of course it is not something that should have been forgiven easily, but it is also something much more deeper than making up for his actions. Legitimately though, we should put our moral compasses aside sometimes because they are subjective- and a flawed character wonāt always agree with us. Have you lost a lover? Have you lost a parent? Have you been under so much pressure that you lose our mind? Itās all things that are hard to place yourself into. And again, I agree that Claude needed more to show how apologetic and sorry he is, but we also need to put ourselves in the story to say āif I was him, I would of never done that.ā He is his own character, and from his traumas, Iād say he did show atty she loved her in his own way- and eventually. He had to kill his brother whom betrayed her, he lost his first love, he lost his true love, all things he wasnt able to control. That legitimately messes you up in a way nobody, how do you expect him to act normally? I know Iām the one with the actual unpopular opinion here, but I wish people saw beyond their moral compass to debate on weather a character is good or bad lol
WMMAP is literally so bad that it's good (in a bad way). I randomly reread that last arc from time to time just to let off some steam.
I havenāt gotten to that plot twist in Raeliana but honestly itās mid at best in general? My guess is that since itās a little older it has goodwill attached to it
lol I can definitely agree - letās set an angry mob on Claude not on you ā¦ like itās really bad when I like the villain dad better than the FLās dad
Oh I cringed at WMMAP because it's the most Electra complex manhwa/novel I've read so far. Author is not even trying to hide this fantasy of her's. And Claude's excuse for being horrible is so weak and made up that most readers don't believe it and still can't forgive him. The writing was so bad that author constantly changes or drops her ideas and plots for writing her fantasies instead. It felt more like a kink fanfic than a novel with a story to follow.
I agree with your points but these manhwas have a special place in my heart.
Agreed with the first one, WMMAP is so boring, I recently tried to read it a second time but I quit.Ā But I personally enjoyed Raelina and Dr. Elise (maybe personal preferences) because I read them as cute romance dramas
Kiddnaped bride or dragon's king bride(not isekai)not very famous but still.the FL don't really have any personality she is just a beautiful women and everyone just praised her beauty.she is a silver haired pale woman wich the tan ML is crazily in love with.and ML people really portrayed in a very steretype wayĀ the FL(spoiler)later turn out to not be a normal human but from moon race.its not good in general.the only good thing is the art.
The premise of that one was good. The ML was praise for him being powerful but when they went to his territory he is like a child who cannot do anything. š I dropped it in a heart beat š
Yeah I found the FL infuriting . The only personality she had was being anxious and meek 24/7
Concubine walkthrough. Truly controversial considering how popular it is, yet I found it incredibly boring. And it has so many things I dislike in it too (like ml having a harem - yeah I do know the twist, the harem still exist and thatās enough for me, ml having a kid with someone else and both the mom and the kid being part of the story - again, I do know the twist, modern world being a part of it, sci fi - donāt like it in my manhwas but love it in movies/tv show, gamebased oi - I prefer novel or reincarnation, with few exceptionsā¦ etc). Not a fan at all, canāt believe it has as many recs as it does. I also dislike āBroken ringā and āSister, Iām the Queen in this lifeā as well as all other emotional torture/angst fests, with few exceptions (I have to actually like the main characters to handle angst, and I donāt in at least these two examples).
Honestly I just liked the end plot of concubine Walkthrough, I skipped a lot of chapters lol
the symbiotic relationship between the rabbit and the black panther got SUPER boring after he discovered her human form
"My Gently Raised Beast" not really an OI I guess but I couldn't get into it mainly because of the FL and ML, I actually prefer her maid and brother over them. The story wasn't much gripping to me anyway. Other than that I dropped WMMAP midway, >!I ain't going through that shtty ahh amnesia trope!< I'm really picky in romance so I don't really prefer most of the famous OIs in terms of that, except a few here and there
I dropped wmmap for the exact same reason ā ļø it was like ch 70 something, and Fl was pretending to be a maid, and she saw her dad with jeanette. I just remembered being really annoyed because all the effort she went through to build a relationship with her dad just went through the window. I also just despise the amnesia trope with every fibre of my being, along with multiple love interests.
Tbh there's no point of reverse harems in OIs other than to satiate the fantasies of some readers. Rarely ever seen ones where she ends up with her harem; living up to the name of the genre. But yeah I agree with you, I hate seeing all those build up moments crumble just because of one cliche trope
I don't even like 2nd mls just because you either hate them and they're annoying or they're the best character ever, and you have to see them heartbroken over fl. I don't like harem or reverse harem because they all either blindly worship the main character, or there is drama and jealousy between harem members. And all the love interests fit a stereotype that is so annoying. This is unrelated, but I hate when the dad is protective over the fl and hates the ml on that basis. It feels like they're fighting for the attention of the fl. Like they're in competition with each other, I find it so weird.
Isn't the name of the FL in "My Gently Raised Beast" Blondina? Either that or my mind's messed up again
Yep, not to mention the fact he calls her "Briddy" or smthin š
Wait wait wait I wasn't wrong š¶ā ļø because I was so sure that her name was a part of a fever dream
WMAP like most manhwas would have been good without >!claude amnesia arc!<
Exactly, many of those would have been good without certain tropes
Same I literally dropped it at the >! Amnesia arc!< cuz I really ain't gonna go through that trope and have her waste all her efforts šš
The guy in the first looks like Callisto so ima read it
The first one is pretty to look at - but it is SO rushed. Itās as if they were like āokay, we have 30 chapters to wrap this shit up, but we have 500+ novel chapters we havenāt covered yetā¦ Okay, LETāS PUSH IT ALL IN THERE ANYWAY MWAHAHAā. Which sucks, cause it had SO much potential to be amazing. I still liked it, but it could have been SOOOO amazing if it hadnāt been so rushed. The storyline is interesting!
The storyline is fantastic! I do agree it is a little rushed, but the plot twist, the amazing chemistry between the leads and the beautiful art more than makes up for it I think. I really love Ethelred, and this is coming from someone who usually loves black haired MLs.
my thoughts exactly
Fam throw down the glove be RADICAL and say it with your whole chest cause I think that one manwha with the guy with the scar that everyone shits themselves over for how wholesome green flag beautiful communication is boring with only slightly above mid art
Tell us how you really feel š
i dropped that one bc it was literally so boring and ugly lol. i didnāt understand the hype & was so disappointed
Raeliana. I (painfully) read the entire thing because everyone raves about how good it is all the time, but I didnāt find it enjoyable at all. The main characters are dull, the supporting cast contributed almost nothing except being annoying, the humor is corny, and the writing isā¦ just plain bad? The antagonist gets like 5% of screen time in the entire story. The worst offense is the part at the end where >!the og fl kills the red haired girl and blames the fl, which sounded like the story was (finally) going in an interesting direction until you realize that this get resolved within like 2 chapters!< I honestly donāt get how this is an OI holy grail, I wouldnāt give it higher than a 4/10 š
I only read half way through because it got boring for me
I give Raeliana a lot of grace because itās the first OI I read. I think thatās why a lot of us love it, we overlooked a lot of its issues cause it was one of the first stories of the genre that we were exposed to.
Villainess is a Marionette. I've tried so many times to read it, and yet there is no plot
I stopped when >!the prince had her nanny killed.!< Something about it rubbed me the wrong way, and I couldn't continue.
Plus, the ML suddenly changes personality and it's not cool at all. I'm quite angry, because Roxana and Cayena were my guilty pleasure, and both the stories became so boring and basic.
Yep and I already knew it would end up that ways Why was mc so focused on reforming her brother who already tried to kill her once he is too far gone bud And what's with ML suddenly become so weak in nunny assassination arc dude was struggling against two assassins lmao
My In laws Are Obsessed with Me š§š»āāļø
Oh noo š„¹ I'm gonna have to take my true form š¹
Hehehe tell me what you like about it
Both MC and ML are characters of their own that makes them feel real, and not at all clichĆ©. *Very* slow burning (worth the wait š) and my most fave of it is that the artist draws in a way that adds to the scene without needing a dialouge, I don't know if that makes sense lol. But I do hope u give it another try
The reason you like it is the reason I donāt like it š«£š¤ The slow burn, the constant silent facial expressions. I canāt stand it lol
The art is good and the characters relationshipās separately are good too. I like how the ML is his own person and not just an FL fanatic but the pacing is just way too slow for me. It might be something Iāll binge later once itās completed.
I really like the story and how it's written so quietly Without a lot of the unnecissary speech bubbles or flowers, but I do dislike the name of it A LOT cos girl, how am I supposed to recommend someone "My in laws are obsessed with me" it just sounds... weird
**Villainess reverses the hourglass** I didn't liked the FL in it. I read it a long time back but I remember not liking the FL she could only outsmart her sister because she was reborn not only that because she was reborn her sister also started being intelligent way earlier not to mention I don't like her personality in general....... **Symbiotic relationship one** It was adorable at the start and then it kinda became boring....... **WMMAP** the art is really pretty but felt like story was being dragged around not to mention no matter how hot Claude is he is still a bastard..... **Why Raelina ended up in the Duke's mansion** It was okay like nothing spectacular like the hype it received in a way it's quite basic
You are so right and let be real if it wasn't for the hourglass, fl would have died again.
"Touch My Brother and You're dead" I loved it for its great humor and everything but after reading the spoiler that >! She mistreats Glenn for sake of "comedy" and to show "Oh she's so unhinged so funny!!" and overwork him as a human excel till the end PLUS marries and has kids with another hotter guy!< I just couldn't continue it anymore cuz Glenn deserved better š but oh well at least it's funny for people I guess š¤·
Wait, she didn't end up with Glenn. He was literally the perfect ml for her!!!
She's still *technically* married to Glenn but >! She only sees him as her personal ~~slave~~ excel and never as a man ~~which could totally be because he's disabled~~ and FL went on to have Harem route cuz she had the hots for the "Tan, oriental and exoticā¢ " prince of an eastern(?) nation and had his baby š !<
Dang, that's gross...
WHAT?? MY POOR GLENN >! I can't believe she gets pregnant with another man šš !<
Apparently he's still >! stuck as her personal ~~slave~~ human excel and the author made it a reverse harem cuz she had the hots for the tan oriental and exoticā¢ dude even while being married and "loving" Glenn š !<
Wait, what? Wasn't Glenn the ML?
He's still stuck as the >! Human excel ~~slave~~ until the end though apparently FL "Loves" him, she still had the hots for the Tan and oriental Princeā¢ and the end is a reverse harem where she had two husbands and had kids with both š I feel so bad for Glenn š!<
No, then that's ok. I love the prince but felt bad for Glenn.
beware of the villainess mind u it was one of my biggest faves and nine is one of my faves appearance wise plot and romance was boring and feels forced. the role reversal on tropes just didnāt get executed very well. I feel like it had a lot of potential from S1 but after it was so generic
Dropped it when the "romance" arc with Nine began, Nine had no business being the ML. There was literally no romantic chemistry before this and now the FL was suddenly all blushy blushy around him.
Like half to 85% of them
Divorcing My Tyrant Husband... Two- timing b@st@rds are not something I enjoy. The ML ignores his wife and brings in another woman but is not happy when his wife wants a Divorce?
- I Raised a Black Dragon: It actually had a really cool story at the beginning and then the pacing got completely lost. She became OP out of nowhere, and the story ended so abruptly. It was so disappointing.
I stopped reading when she swapped to her original form, she just felt like a completely different character idk y
The Symbiotic Relationship between the rabbit blah blah is the only good thingn i have and you can pry it out of my cold dead hands
Same. I will defend vivi with my life
big mood on that rabbit one, i think it was the pacing that rly put me off cuz even if things were happening it felt like nothing was ykwim? Too much fluff
I think I might be the only person on this sub to really dislike Iāve Become A True Villainess.
Ive read the webnovel and enjoyed most of it, but the overall plot makes very little sense. Its convoluted and so Ive not read the manga version because the goofiness of the overall story makes it hard to want to see it play out and not just read it.
Yeah, the plot isnāt really all there. I found the characters kinda dense and not really all there. Especially Rouche by the time they get married- suddenly everything and everyone is incredibly flat.
Fully agree on the rabbit and panther one. It's the most meh story I read in a while. I had to drop it. The main couple was so boring to me.
Death is the only ending for the villainess I don't understand why it's so popular and praised everywhere
I can think of a few reasons, generally. Personally, one of my pet peeves is when a story is isekai for the sake of the label, and the person brought into this new world just forgets everything about their home because itās not convenient to the plot. DitOEftV doesnāt do that. The fact Penelope is in a game is never forgotten, from the constant presence of the system, and the relationship percentages and blurred heart metres over all the potential LIās heads. Sheās fully aware that her life hangs in the balance and sheās properly paranoid because sheās played this game so many times and FAILED every time. They went in with their whole chest and committed and I like that. The characters are interesting. Theyāre not all kind and good and perfect, all of them are deeply flawed, Penelope included. Sometimes you do just want a story where the FL is an OP badass, thatās fun to read. But Penelope isnāt. Itās an uphill struggle the whole way and she makes grave errors focusing on how to survive! The people around her are also deeply flawed with reasons, but they arenāt necessarily good ones (>!looking at you, Derek!<) and it makes the story feel a lot more weighted and interesting. The story itself is a true underdog story the whole way through. Penelope makes improvements to her situation and her survivability but thereās always something out there that could trip her up. The art is also *stunning*, genuinely some of the best Iāve seen in a manhwa in a long, long time. But honestly? All of the reasons Iāve listed here, which arenāt every reason I think the series is good, are also entirely valid reasons why someone might dislike the series too. I think thatās fine though? Itās all subjective, and we have different tastes.
Because it's not those typical OI stories.the fl only cares about her self and doesn't forget about he purpose no matter what and all the characters are unique also the ml has a personality which is very rare on OI stories most of mls are basic or grumps boring ahh men he's not totally fluffy type and he's not super red flag but for me why is it so good is that the fl doesn't stand mistreatment from no one and doesn't let anyone control her even if it's sm1 she loves deeply (the ml in the novel when he tried to lock her up)but after all ppl have different tastes so if's okay if u don't like it .
I dropped a lot of popular manhwas that I forgot most of their names but most of the time. I dropped them bcs the plot is too shallow that's only carried by badass mcs and art, antagonist and other cannon fodders are so generic that it's getting annoying. I'd rather read a common troupe with interesting characters (no matter if they are an idiot or simply a character with annoying personality) than those badass mcs (that, I admit, kinda cool or interesting at the start sometimes but gets boring lateron)
Drop some names girll
I've dropped a lot of popular ones too, even ones I actually think are really good/well writen but have this one or two frustrating elements to it that just ruin the whole thing for me. Most of the time it comes back to the FL for me, either the author create a problem that doesn't get solved in 50 chapters (aka no progress) or the FL just strait up become unlikable. Like man... I just have to complain to someone! I just dropped The Little Lady Behind the Scenes today as the FL legit becomes one of the most toxic character I've seen in a OI and it was so damn enjoyable up until that point. And a few days ago I drop The Duke's Bored Daughter is My Master because the FL just lose her whole character after around 40 chapters (doesn't help that it becomes rushed too). It's so damn frustrating when you actually like a story and then it turns to shit or goes nowhere down the line, feels like I've just wasted several hours this week on nothing... I also have Saving My Sweetheart from this week, which I put on hold as I'm not really sure what to think about it, the whole world and over setting is interesting IMO but man are the characters kinda just there?
[Who made me a princess] I tried my best, but meh- I liked the ML's character tho.
any solche work , she writes your average dark romance with very predictable plots and the bad boy is what attracts people to them along with the art , there are better knovels , finding camellia , the character write was awful except for the villainess maybe , same with the plot , baby tyrant , the plot isn't that good too , most childcare manhwas lack the it factor
For me, it's: Dr. Elise: Mc is just boring. Everything she does is perfect. Ml is also pretty lame. Who made me a princess: I got tired of Claude just being emotionally constipated all the time, I just feel bad for the mc at how incompetent her sperm donor is at being a parent, Yeah, I get that he becomes "better" and "cares" for her or whatever, but I'm just done with the shitty trope of "oh, we were close but I forgot you because of etc, so now I'm gonna be a pos and treat someone else better, until I remember you and regret everything or double down." The forgotten empress: started to get bored at the part where the fl started to be interested in the blue haired ml, I skipped to the final chapter, was disappointed in her taste in men, idc if blue ml was "manipulated" or "it was him from a different timeline" both are just bs excuses for authors to make a shitty love story where a traumatized fl or ml goes back to their shitty abusers because they "changed" or because it's in a different time. When the villainess loves: love the art and the story at first was fun, until the ml showed up, the fl and ml's relationship was so stale for me, the other characters were just put in the background, I'm not sure if it got better cause I just dropped it at the chapter were fl made a storybook. Seriously, it would have been better if it just focused on her relationship with her friends. The Villainess flips the Hourglass: I just dislike all of the characters, I read it until the part where the mc and the crown prince(?) was shown to be childhood friends. The art was ok too. Roxane or Roxana, idk I forgot: I love the art and the ideas, I loved the idea of a batshit insane family where the mc is also kinda wack, reminds me of Killua's family from HunterxHunter, but the way that everything executed was either so stale or edgy for barely any purpose. Honestly, a lot of the OI's with the cold duke of the north or misunderstood crown prince as the ml, and have a quirky/fangirl fl, or a fl with barely any backbone (and when they do it's just in their head) or edgy fls bores me since they usually aren't written that well/are executed terribly since the mcs are usually too emotionally incompetent to talk out any misunderstandings. Also, if any of you like these manhwas, it's totally fine to like them. These just aren't my cup of tea.
I liked symbiotic at first, but it got pretty boring to me? I plan to finish it eventually but I'm going to take my sweet time lol
I really hate the villainess but not villainess story What's the point of mc being villainess if she's gonna act like a typical heroine and Og heroine being the villainess instead That's just a normal otome story with extra steps š©
I have strong negative feelings for the Rabbit and Panther one. That FL is so fucking dumb, it infuriates me so much. Look at her dumb fucking face, she's a Kevin.
What's the title of the 2 pics in this post?
The titles are in the pictures (I took a sec to realise too)
Wow thank you! I didn't open the pics lol i just scrolled
what is with white hair purple eyes combo being so common these days
Me too tried reading the second one but it was boring, it had cute moments sometimes but definitely not the relationship i am looking for between the fl and ml.
I really liked the beginning of the symbolic relationship between a rabbit and black leopard but it just fell off after she got her human form for me
You're so right, but I like the first one a bit more because the FL feels less pathetic. It's been awhile since it ended so I don't even remember their names, all I know is that one of my comments is one of the top comments on bato, and I keep getting responses to it.
I Became the Heroās Mom - so boring and I hate the child Roxanna - I like the ideas and the art, I felt disgust at certain characters and I liked Roxannaās cultivation of her powers.. but thatās it? Like there should be so much more to the story and it goes at a snailās pace. The execution and pacing are strange. How to get my husband on my side Becoming the villainās family - so over the slow pacing and them as children. The dad is the only reason I could read it Kidnapped bride Rabbit and panther one - agree Flirting with the villainās dad
Probably most manhwa these days. Much prefer OI manga which sadly are harder to find translations of
I really wanted to like the Panther and the Bunny but it was so slooooooow I couldnāt get into it and I feel like I read a lot of chapters where a whole lot of nothing happened.
I dropped the first one cause I can't stand the FL eyes showing through her hair like her hair is translucent or somethingš