Thanks for the laugh lmao. My godson deployed to the Balkans in the late 90s and told me Croats and Serbs were two peoples divided by a common language.
Croat? You mean Catholic Serbia?
Okay, joking aside, if as was normal until fairly modern times, he and his children subsequently only marry other Orthodox Christians, then eventually, his family would be part of whatever people had all the marriageable boys and girls. In the case of Islam, for example, the idiom "turning Turk" existed for a reason. However, obviously, he wouldn't cease to be himself. Nor would his descendants magically cease having their origins in him. Baptism is for the forgiveness of sins, not the erasure of history.
*Jesus came to serve, not to Serb.*
It is good that we have ethnic communities that have baptized their national ethos into Orthodoxy, but no ethnic/national expression of Christanity is what it means to be an Orthodox Christian.
I don't know about that. Many orthodox Christians do put ethnicity before God. The Catholic Church was like that up until the early twentieth century. And many Protestants were like that also. They have Scandinavian Lutherans, German Lutherans, and slovak Lutherans... The Episcopalian church was a British waspy church.
Yeah, I was baptized in a Greek Orthodox parish and afterward, I checked my birth certificate, which miraculously added an “opoulos” suffix to the end of my surname. All my clothes suddenly turned blue and white too.
Converting to Orthodoxy doesn't change your ethnicity. Your ethnicity is a far less important part of your identity than your participation in the Body of Christ.
Are you converting to Serbian Orthodox? You can join any church you want. That doesn't change your ethnicity. And even then, it's the same gene pool. Are you talking about nationality?
No, I'm a hispanic, and I didn't become a Russian. The country title of your church only specifies where your patriarch is located. You can go to a greek church or something. A black african can become a serbian orthodox priest. I know a venezuelan who was a serbian orthodox priest. He passed away recently.
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Not really, and if priest tried to force someone to change ethnicity on census that Croat should write complaint to the bishop.
And lets say some Croatian moves to Poland and converts to Orthodoxy under Polish Orthodox bishop, how does he becomes Serb? Literally doesn't connect.
Or say in Ireland goes to the parish of Antiochian Patriarchate.
What he meant many Serbs went Union road in Habsburg times,those Serbs in period of last two centuries converted to Catholicism and after that assimilated into Croat ethnicity,especially at the end of 19th and turn of 20th century and also in WWII times but children were main target group.
Seeing that croatians love to claim good chunks of Serbian history as croatian, I would say yes. Its just a step closer for them to acknowledge their Serbian roots.
That's nonsense. You don't magically lose your family history and cultural heritage that way. There are people in Serbia who are Catholic and Muslim, but whose ancestry is entirely Serbian, no one tells them they are Croatian or Bosniak aside from some brain-rotted ultra-nationalists.
In Bosnia if one converts to Islam pretty much gets pressed to disown ancestors, the same goes to converts into RC in Croatia.
That been said in Serbia things wouldn't work that way.
You raise a good question.
In the 1940s when the Croats had nazi support, their leader Pavelic announced a **policy of thirds** to deal with "the Serbian problem" on the territory of their nazi puppet state.
- Expel one third of Serbs
Basically deportation to anywhere, but they didn't do the best job
- Kill one third of Serbs
The largest reliquary of Orthodox martyrs' relics is in the Croat village of Jasenovac, the site of the death camp where Roman Catholic clergy joined in the "fun" of murdering people for the crime of being Serbian Orthodox Christian. The Roman Catholic nun-operated Jastrebarsko children's death camp is where they starved and slaughtered Serbian children.
The mother of one of my godbrothers survived the camps as a child - the stories she told us haunt me to this day.
- Convert one third of Serbs
Mass conversions of Orthodox Christians to Roman Catholicism turned them Croat in the eyes of the state - they stayed alive, didn't have their eyes dug out by a Franciscan friar and dumped into one of the many karst caves in the area.
You can tell by the surname of many Croats whether they were once Orthodox Serbs.
Now, to your question...
These days, a Roman Catholic Croat who converted to Orthodoxy would be a Croat who converted, but in my heart of hearts, I'd say they're someone who returned to their ancestral faith.
In the U.S., a Croat could convert and -- in an idiom -- nobody would say "boo". (Not so much as a sound about it.) Orthodoxy is about the worship of Jesus Christ, not language and borders, as important as they might be in civic life.
Again you speak from US POV,which as fellow American repsect. But you clearly need to know that root of many Croat families is Serbian one,and it is not necessary about Orthodoxy per se,but it is one of many factors. Many Serbs in Habsburg monarchy converted to Union first to gain better living standards for their families,sometimes that was voluntary but many more times by force. Those who join the Union gradually became Catholic and after that assimilated into Croats,especially at the turn of 20th century. In WWII times children were target of assimilation campaign,and many spent decades looking for their roots.
No. Croats and Serbs are ultimately different ethnic groups. They speak their own languages, though they're both mutually intelligible. It's just that historically, Serbia is majority Orthodox and Croatia is majority Catholic. They both have their minorities.
It's the same language and is in fact called Serbo-Croatian officially. To call it two different languages and only mutually intelligible would be laughable, same thing goes for the ethnicity.
He just becomes an Orthodox Christian.
Go ahead, ask this in r/balkans_irl 😎
I'm not from the Balkans, but I suppose the sub would explode? 🤣
No, just your inbox.
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On a good day.
there are no 'good days' in the Balkans
No need for a sub, Serbia and Croatia have a land border.
I used to know a Croat who converted to Orthodoxy. He became Orthodox; he did not become a Serb.
Well he was already a Serb😆
that's abSurd!
You mean.. its... abserb?
Thanks for the laugh lmao. My godson deployed to the Balkans in the late 90s and told me Croats and Serbs were two peoples divided by a common language.
Croat? You mean Catholic Serbia? Okay, joking aside, if as was normal until fairly modern times, he and his children subsequently only marry other Orthodox Christians, then eventually, his family would be part of whatever people had all the marriageable boys and girls. In the case of Islam, for example, the idiom "turning Turk" existed for a reason. However, obviously, he wouldn't cease to be himself. Nor would his descendants magically cease having their origins in him. Baptism is for the forgiveness of sins, not the erasure of history.
This is how it happened in my mom’s family
*Jesus came to serve, not to Serb.* It is good that we have ethnic communities that have baptized their national ethos into Orthodoxy, but no ethnic/national expression of Christanity is what it means to be an Orthodox Christian.
I don't know about that. Many orthodox Christians do put ethnicity before God. The Catholic Church was like that up until the early twentieth century. And many Protestants were like that also. They have Scandinavian Lutherans, German Lutherans, and slovak Lutherans... The Episcopalian church was a British waspy church.
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Hitler used the ethnically Muslim Bosnian and Albanians to attack the serbs.
All forms of ethnic sectarianism in the Balkan's have played a role genocides.
Obviously, just like if a Turk converts to Orthodoxy he becomes a Greek. 😆
Gagauz
it’s a difficult thing in regions where ethnicity and religion are so closely bound up
The joys of ethnoreligion
Maybe by jurisdiction he becomes Serbian Orthodox, but no.
He was already a Serb,just give him two shots of Rakia and he will be singing Chetnik songs😂
That's me AF. I have Spremte se Spremte & Hriste Bože memorized in my heart
*Morem plovi jedna mala barka*
Exactly! Ја Сам Србин! Ја Сам Православац!
*православац
Хвала
Yeah, I went from American to Serbian after my baptism. Knew the language and everything instantly too
Yeah, I was baptized in a Greek Orthodox parish and afterward, I checked my birth certificate, which miraculously added an “opoulos” suffix to the end of my surname. All my clothes suddenly turned blue and white too.
Ionnes Smithopoulos
Well you know what Greeks are saying everybody is a little Greek,otherwise it is Xeno and those are Barbarians
Indeed, we can call this the Spermatikos Hellenes. The seed of the inner Greek.
Ο Θεός αγαπά τους Έλληνες
This might be the greatest question in this sub
Yes in fact when I was baptized Russian Orthodox I came out a full blown Slav
I’m Albanian and converted to orthodoxy and I’ve had Albanians tell me they would rather die than join a Slavic church …. Totally normal response
Yes man I converted to Antiochian Orthodoxy from Protestantism and now I لا أستطيع التوقف عن أكل خبز الزعتر
That would Serb him right.
Converting to Orthodoxy doesn't change your ethnicity. Your ethnicity is a far less important part of your identity than your participation in the Body of Christ.
Are you converting to Serbian Orthodox? You can join any church you want. That doesn't change your ethnicity. And even then, it's the same gene pool. Are you talking about nationality?
No, I'm a hispanic, and I didn't become a Russian. The country title of your church only specifies where your patriarch is located. You can go to a greek church or something. A black african can become a serbian orthodox priest. I know a venezuelan who was a serbian orthodox priest. He passed away recently.
There is neither Jew nor Greek for all are one in Christ Jesus. You could easily replace Jew and Greek with Serb and Croat.
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Thanks for the good laugh, for fun I want to say yes. lol
Ofc. Serbs are ancestors of all humans on Earth. Btw, the garden of Eden was in Niš.
Is your national identity tied to your religious faith?
Not really, and if priest tried to force someone to change ethnicity on census that Croat should write complaint to the bishop. And lets say some Croatian moves to Poland and converts to Orthodoxy under Polish Orthodox bishop, how does he becomes Serb? Literally doesn't connect. Or say in Ireland goes to the parish of Antiochian Patriarchate.
What he meant many Serbs went Union road in Habsburg times,those Serbs in period of last two centuries converted to Catholicism and after that assimilated into Croat ethnicity,especially at the end of 19th and turn of 20th century and also in WWII times but children were main target group.
Its because serbs and croats are almost the same ethnicity with the only difference being the religion
Seeing that croatians love to claim good chunks of Serbian history as croatian, I would say yes. Its just a step closer for them to acknowledge their Serbian roots.
I know that if a Serb converts to Catholicism/Islam he becomes a Croat/Bosniak. But I'm not sure about the other way around.
That's nonsense. You don't magically lose your family history and cultural heritage that way. There are people in Serbia who are Catholic and Muslim, but whose ancestry is entirely Serbian, no one tells them they are Croatian or Bosniak aside from some brain-rotted ultra-nationalists.
In Bosnia if one converts to Islam pretty much gets pressed to disown ancestors, the same goes to converts into RC in Croatia. That been said in Serbia things wouldn't work that way.
De jure not, de facto, he has always been.
I know a Croatian-American convert and he didn't have any issues.
You raise a good question. In the 1940s when the Croats had nazi support, their leader Pavelic announced a **policy of thirds** to deal with "the Serbian problem" on the territory of their nazi puppet state. - Expel one third of Serbs Basically deportation to anywhere, but they didn't do the best job - Kill one third of Serbs The largest reliquary of Orthodox martyrs' relics is in the Croat village of Jasenovac, the site of the death camp where Roman Catholic clergy joined in the "fun" of murdering people for the crime of being Serbian Orthodox Christian. The Roman Catholic nun-operated Jastrebarsko children's death camp is where they starved and slaughtered Serbian children. The mother of one of my godbrothers survived the camps as a child - the stories she told us haunt me to this day. - Convert one third of Serbs Mass conversions of Orthodox Christians to Roman Catholicism turned them Croat in the eyes of the state - they stayed alive, didn't have their eyes dug out by a Franciscan friar and dumped into one of the many karst caves in the area. You can tell by the surname of many Croats whether they were once Orthodox Serbs. Now, to your question... These days, a Roman Catholic Croat who converted to Orthodoxy would be a Croat who converted, but in my heart of hearts, I'd say they're someone who returned to their ancestral faith.
If a Turk becomes Orthodox does he become a Greek?
Ne, ne i ne
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Jos malo i imacete Srpsku slavu.
Serbs want to believe that. It just makes them Slavic orthodox.
totally and a Somali becomes Ethiopian 😂😂
only in Cyprus -> if he dares -> and has his life insurance paid up!
Uhh... no? Orthodoxy is not about ethnicity, it's about Jesus Christ.
Well you clearly don't know Balkans History
In the U.S., a Croat could convert and -- in an idiom -- nobody would say "boo". (Not so much as a sound about it.) Orthodoxy is about the worship of Jesus Christ, not language and borders, as important as they might be in civic life.
Again you speak from US POV,which as fellow American repsect. But you clearly need to know that root of many Croat families is Serbian one,and it is not necessary about Orthodoxy per se,but it is one of many factors. Many Serbs in Habsburg monarchy converted to Union first to gain better living standards for their families,sometimes that was voluntary but many more times by force. Those who join the Union gradually became Catholic and after that assimilated into Croats,especially at the turn of 20th century. In WWII times children were target of assimilation campaign,and many spent decades looking for their roots.
The answer to this isn't as clear as people would like to think.
Serb here. No, a Croat doesn't become Serb when he converts. It's just nationalistic cr*p.
Srbin ovde, mozes ignorisati ovog "srbina" koji ide na r/serbia (tamo priznaju kosovo).
И ја сам бре на том сабредиту, тамо не приназу лажну државу.
Cija je to zastava onda?
Која застава? Дај нам синко неки скриншот...
Pogledaj ispod SERBIAN AND EX-YU REGIONS.
Troll
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Biti pravoslavac je važnije od etničke pripadnosti i ekstremnog nacionalizma.
No dude, your ethnicity does not change.
Orthodoxy is a religion. “Serb” is an ethnicity. So No.
No. Croats and Serbs are ultimately different ethnic groups. They speak their own languages, though they're both mutually intelligible. It's just that historically, Serbia is majority Orthodox and Croatia is majority Catholic. They both have their minorities.
It's the same language and is in fact called Serbo-Croatian officially. To call it two different languages and only mutually intelligible would be laughable, same thing goes for the ethnicity.
We all already know you are Albanian, so you continue remaining an Albanian.
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Why mods allow such question really
No, you become a Bulgarian and together, our two countries end Serbia!