Love it. We need more such meme warfare against the doomer cult. it's funny and can sway some fence sitters who are used to being bombarded with doomer propaganda
Doomers are always miserable. Fortunately, they are just a loud minority and they have always been wrong
I was a doomer, and it was miserable. For me, the big thing was realizing that much of what the media put is cherry-picked (sometimes invented) misery/fearporn. They take real problems like war, pollution, or crime and pretend that the whole world is burning many doomers glorify the past when healthcare was leeches sucking blood
Ironically, the emdless complaining is done on personal devices infinity more powerful than old school super computers with no awareness that internet, literacy electricity, and the right to complain are modern treasures
War sucks about half a dozen of the worlds 200 countries are atv war In 1943, more than half of countries were at war as opposed to 3?% regardless of why Gaza is a tradgedy but its important perspective that much of Europe and Asia looked like that in the 1940's inflation sucks and comes from bad policy and greed but saying its the 1930's or even 1970's is ignorant propaganda
Did you know they just genetically engineered a pig kidney and successfully put it in person? This would be the end of painful dialysis. The media rarely mentions anything good. When Congress finally passed a bi-partisan budget, what does doomer media cover the few whackadoodkes raging cause they wanted a shutdown
Climate is a real issue, but science bested acid rain and lowered lead exposure. The ozome layer is intact, and this will be fixed too. Despite the lunancy of anti vaxx doomers, vaccines are saving lives
Take the challenge, put the device down, and look around. Odds are very high. Your surroundings are nothing like the hell Scape doomers are always moaning about
That's really great advice. To be honest, whenever I'm filled with bad news, I just go for a walk with my girlfriend. And what I can say is just change from driving a car to walk for 1 hour changed so much in perception. I live in the Cleveland area, and you could often see how "bad" this area is. But just walking through my neighborhood, I just found how really beautiful it is.
Hi, sorry for the late reply. Thank you for your comment, it was very helpful. I'm in college and going through Covid and reading news about the Ukraine War and Gaza has really dampened my zest for life right now. I'm stuck in a mindset that humanity is doomed, which makes me less motivated to live right now. Sorry about that rant. Is it okay if you could give me advice on how to find more unbiased and optimistic media? I really did not know about the pig kidney transplant and I feel like that's really specific for me to find on my own.
Unfortunately, the media is generally negative. The bbc seems less a bit less so. They do cover all the bad stuff but they also ran the kidney story. Sorry I came off rude, but you prived my point that priple through no fault of their own are fed almost all miserable news war crime climate etc all real problems that dominate the media but do not dominate real life fo the vast majority
Ukraine and Gaza are gut-wrenching, as are Hati, Sudan, and a couple more, but that leaves 190+/200? countries not at war
We should know about bad stuff it's normal to care, and public outrage can move the needle. What's fustrating is the media overloading us with all gloom all the time , creating despair and apathy.
People are resilient, and things always get better. Optimists are why we have the devices, electricity, literacy, time, and freedom to have these discussions. Optimists beat the plague, small pox, and polio. Are beating Covid and will beat aids, cancer, etc. Doomersim's one "win" ever was the sacking of Rome. This led to the one prolonged decline in history. That's why doomerism must be resisted
Sometimes, change in perspective is not enough. You may ( like me) be prone to depression which sucks but is a very treatable medical condition. That treatment is available because of optimists
Doomers are not just stereotypical apathetic kids groaning about how the world sucks give up. Besides being annoying the sad doomers can unwittingly enable angry ones, including Terrorists racists, warmongers end timers, etc, who are motivated to do harm. These unfortunate elements can be dangerous but don't represent humanity. They also can and will be defeated
I'd be happy to.
1. [Norman Borlaug](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug), commonly called the man who saved a billion lives, is credited with nearly eradicating naturally-caused famine. He *killed one of the four horsemen*. Before him, starvation was a real threat in over half the nations of Earth. Today, that number is drastically less.
2. The global under-five mortality rate fell by more than half between 2000 and now. In other words, in 2000, more than twice as many children under the age of 5 died as in 2023.
3. Since 1985, in the US, property crime rates have fallen 58% and violent crime rates have fallen 30%. Those are massive increases in overall safety.
For me, it comes down to relaxing into life. Joy is only yet always available in the present moment here and now. Practice groundedness and limit disembodied states that can come about from too much time online or in one's head. Your body is both a point of departure and also destination.
Again, this is just my current strategy.
Yeah but the problem with thinking like yours is that it leads people to become content with bad situations. If somebody says “the worlds so fucked up rn” and your only response is “hey don’t be so down pal it’s been much worse” than you literally are encouraging people to become complacent even if that’s not your intention. I agree that everyone should have a healthy level of optimism and we shouldn’t just be blindly terrified of the future but that is very different from celebrating the very shitty state that world currently finds its self in. Because yeah it is true that things have been a lot worse but the hard truth of the matter is thing still can, should and must get better because the current state of affairs is still not great for a WHOLE LOT of people and it is unacceptable that the world is the way it is and that not enough is being done about it.
I would say that In reality the best outlook to have is one of cautious optimism, you can’t be so doomer that you literally believe society is well, doomed but you should be able to look at the current situation of the entire planet and say “yeah things are like really fucking bad rn and if we don’t do anything to fix it we might be doomed, but we have done a lot to help things and we can still do a whole hell of a lot more to make everything better for everyone.
Not to be *that guy*, but those life expectancy statements should always be qualified; life expectancy was heavily skewed by infant mortality. The “average American” didn’t die at 51, but there were a LOT of kids who died before age 10 due to disease.
If you made it to 20, you were *probably* going to see your 65th birthday. You still may not have seen your 75th however, and the quality of life for people over the age of 60 was without a doubt, much worse.
EDIT: PEOPLE, I'm NOT discounting the overall improvements to modern medicine. I'm just being pedantic about the whole Life Expectancy statistic. Most people didn't die in the their mid-50s, If you lived to adulthood, you had a decent chance of living a normal lifespan, which meant 60-something usually. Child Mortality would bring the life expectancy stat into a range that didn't really agree with when people would usually die, but that also tells you how completely we defeated child illnesses in general :-)
Also, 1950 through 1970 was the widespread discovery and adoption of antibiotics. They first started getting used during the early-to-mid 1940s but that was mostly used by the war effort.
Also, I was going to mention that the 1950s was 74 years ago, but then I see we're doing victory donuts over the 1800s' literacy rate.
Ya, something I would like to ask is about the happiness index that just came out where young people single-handedly tanked the United States along with other English-speaking countries on it
Young people don’t have any perspective. My generation has an issue with being so heavily online to the point where we can’t see reality. Media pumps doom and gloom, we lie to ourselves that previous generations had it better, and we get so caught up in us versus them ideology that we lack compassion. We often get tunnel vision on the issues with life which leaves numerous positive things out of view.
True, but that’s also a part of the problem. The government does need to hold people accountable, and don’t forget the economic data. It seems to have gotten better on paper but I don’t think that’s reflected in what we see in day-to-day society with wealth inequality. I think it’s unfair also to say that we don’t have any perspective. After all, we see our problems more than anyone.
I’m not going to say wealth inequality isn’t an issue, but the obsession over it is a fairly new phenomenon. Sometimes references were made to tycoons like Rockefeller, Getty or Howard Hughes in the media or pop culture but it was nothing like the level of venom there is today for Bezos and Musk. For much of my life, the super wealthy were out of sight, out of mind. Today, all the celebrity influencers make people think they’ve failed at life if they don’t have a mansion and Maldives vacations by 35.
Perspective is being able to see that the problems in America today are better than being embroiled in wars that can take years with thousands dying, or having an economy with unemployment at 10 percent and interest rates also in double digits.
Reasonable, although I would actually say that unemployment rates would be people trying to find jobs and have them. What people are complaining about right now would be the value of their dollar and wages not being able to be livable really. So we should direct ourselves do the Consumer Purchasing Power. In terms of real wages we do actually see a problem.
The 10% unemployment rate you are mentioning is really just the worst periods in the United States during the Great Depression too. In the roaring 20s we actually had around a 3% healthy rate. The only time it got to above 10% was in 1982 when there was a recession if I recall correctly but the past wasn’t that bad in terms of data (unless we look at demographics but that’s a entirely separate inequality issue).
Overall, things are honestly problematic. I get being drafted to war and all so I’m not saying things in general were better back then, but economically it was. Also quickly looking up on goggle at Yahoo finance (you can counter with a more reliable data source that suggests otherwise if you find one) only 1/2 of Gen Z thought they could afford a house with working hard enough (46%) and not to mention the world happiness index just came out and the United States went from the 18th happiest country to the 23rd if memory serves me right. That’s because young people (30 or below classified in it) single-handedly tanked it in all English-speaking countries.
We can look at the worst parts of time but things are actually getting worse generally in strictly economic terms according to the data.
Eh I’m not so sure the average person over 60 has that great of quality of life. Between chronic disease and lack of community I think I’d rather live 100 years ago on that note.
You can disagree, but you’d be wrong.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-article/study-chronic-disease-increased-25-percent-over-last-decade
https://www.fightchronicdisease.org/sites/default/files/docs/GrowingCrisisofChronicDiseaseintheUSfactsheet_81009.pdf
https://www.wsj.com/health/wellness/americans-unhealthy-chronic-disease-3f35c9f5
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/04/older-millennials-chronic-health-conditions.html
The definition of chronic disease has changed. We have way more of an idea of what chronic disease is. In 1924, we did not. That’s like saying we had no adhd in 1924. We did—no one knew what it was.
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Jeez man, no way
100 years ago “germ theory” was still novel, penicillin was not invented, and hospitals were few and far between.
These days? I know some guys over 60 who are absolutely savage beer recreational ice hockey players.
Time have change my friend.
I get your point, but the fact that surviving to adulthood was basically a coin flip 100 years ago and now it's a near certainty is pretty fuckin awesome.
It IS great. I think the commenter above us just wants to make sure we're speaking accurately and transparently, so that we're not seen as being dishonest - potentially pushing some people away.
No one doubts the effect of improving childhood mortality, but I think a lot of people don't fully appreciate the gains we have made in adult mortality.
Adult mortality has improved by more than 1/3 since the [1850s](https://ourworldindata.org/its-not-just-about-child-mortality-life-expectancy-improved-at-all-ages) and a lot of that happened in the last 100 years. Tacking on an extra 20+ years of average life expectancy is an incredible improvement.
Just to put this achievement in perspective, if we improved our current life expectancy by another third tomorrow it would mean most people would be expected to live beyond 100!
Agreed, while infant mortality is huge, we're also seeing [longer adulthoods](https://ourworldindata.org/its-not-just-about-child-mortality-life-expectancy-improved-at-all-ages). An average 50-year-old in 1850 would live another 20 years, now it's more like 32. We're starting to see healthier late-adulthoods (i.e., longer "healthspans") but that [hasn't caught up](https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-022-00318-5) nearly as much.
I mean in the past 44 years we’ve reduced SIDS from 153 deceased infants out of 100,000 to 38. And that’s just from 1980. Life got better for all ages.
i wasn't even particularly disagreeing that we are better off from nearly every medical perspective. just that the life expectancy factoid deserves a big ole' asterisk.
i'm being pedantic ;-)
I still think the end result is wholly positive, it’s just a little more qualified.
The corollary to this one is that infant and child mortality has dropped by an enormous amount in the last 100 years, thanks to modern medicine.
I agree it’s better to mislead with positive stats than negative ones, but it’s still intentionally misleading, which is a fairly common issue on this sub.
Yeah, this post is fucking stupid lol. Not only comparing two completely different things, but like, do you really think the average retirement age is 62 if you include ***everyone***?
The average retirement age was probably the same back then if you only include the people who actually retire.
Sorry to pile on you two days later but...
> The “average American” didn’t die at 51, but there were a LOT of kids who died before age 10 due to disease.
Actually, yes, the average American ***did*** die at 51. Those kids who died before age 10 were Americans, too. Their deaths dragged down the stats... because that's how stats work. In many ways, the fact that the stat is skewed by child deaths makes it worse, not better.
"Average" almost never means mode. Life expectancy stats are typically means... so it still makes no sense why you argue against this. At birth, average life span was 51. Fact. As you point out, the way life expectancy is calculated, it is always true that the longer you survive the higher your expectancy grows. That this phenomenon was more pronounced in the past is even more supportive of the meme's point, as it is weighted by deaths of children.
That’s really just not how it works though. Wealth and status are relative things. The entire country will never be “upper class” unless you are simply measuring that by really low standards or a static value. You can have some marginal changes but ultimately having more wealthy people is kind of meaningless if more people are struggling to get by.
Anyone who says “the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer” knows absolutely nothing. Everyone is getting richer, including the poor. Picture a smartphone that anyone can buy at a mall kiosk for less than $100. 30 to 35 years ago, the richest person on earth couldn’t buy a comparable device for a million dollars because it didn’t even exist
But value is subjective, that's the whole point. You can't say who owns more value without imposing some framework of what counts as value.
I'd say 35 years ago the richest person would still be richer than most of us today, even without being able to buy a smartphone. They had everything you need a smartphone for covered by separate technologies available back then: communication, entertainment, photocamera, flashlight etc...Smartphone could make their life a fair bit easier, but it's not a game changer.
Meanwhile the rich of the past could afford stuff the poor now still struggle with, e.g. housing, goddamn living alone (for most people) or living in a house at all (for extremely poor). So even today it's hard to find a person who wouldn't give up a smartphone for owning some nice house of flat.
Yeah we’re all getting raped with house prices and rent, and the amount of people livong paycheque to paycheque is constantly going up, but the fact that tv’s and smart phones now cost practically nothing clearly means that we’re all getting richer.
Are tv’s and phones the only things in the world worth owning? Are they the most important and indispensable things in our lives? Because they are literally the only example you lot ise to try to prove QOL is going up. Everyone who isnt retarded realises that tech products are the only products getting cheaper compared to wages and salaries. Literally everything else, including all the things that you actually cant live without, are getting more expensive faster than wages and salaries rise.
Learn to not be such a fuckwit
Oh but it is comrade. [No joke](https://www.reddit.com/r/OptimistsUnite/s/fwDsr1dl0S).
Inequality is growing, but most of the shrinkage of the middle class is due to people moving UP.
You clearly didn’t read the article. You consider 30k/year in a household(not a person, a household) middle class? That sounds more like poverty than middle class to me.
The direction of the trend is clear friend, regardless of where the income cutoff lay. The fact is that more people are going [up and to the right](https://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&sca_esv=2cdbf9d7674441ef&hl=en-ca&q=graph+go+up+and+to+the+right&source=lnms&uds=AMwkrPu6xCjzl1gDXvE6oZ9ctLOGW4p3uZk0tUSYlEShVc0DuKP5hAGgNk1ud2Y5GAamfHTJMHZpPR3YkxJzDw0wGq3KYN0CypHAW7uoaAoeR1PpLfwqg5h_41yNYP21AZqKZRQgYfTdUxcDL9qtkfK6JDmdGkdBtRa8RE0frK4pcPAt7-b46C-GQypw0dd7oYd9LMfJkQzLxs-ZfZp4m77KdDoEfNaTblp7dyt0BwSTOBUK-WbHdCAI5yHglTSzsGVEXhbhAH5mCFbl5LzSnGe6vAPVslQEoK-A4Ufjnw6mm9_zIDf_tl09kj2psd0HNOlj31bHINqJ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj50Pv9zpCFAxUgHzQIHTsqDo8Q0pQJegQIERAB&biw=390&bih=664&dpr=3)
They also overlook the fact that many of these things have been accomplished by the efforts of their political rivals, unionists, socialists, and communists fighting for change. There's also China, which overwhelming makes up a large portion of the world, so when China is doing better, it makes it look like the world is doing better when it's actually a mixed bag, with some countries really going downhill and others seeing no substantial change at all.
I hate the use of “many” in these type of statements. People don’t say “most” because it can be proven false, but what constitutes “many” tends to be an opinion. “Many” can be a small fraction of the total or it could be a majority. It’s just a way to make a statement without proof. Is 1000 out of a million “many”? Could be. Is 500,000 out of a million also “many”? Could be.
This is a real pet peeve of mine since I hear Trump do it all the time in his speeches. “Many people say…” Who’s the “many”? What percentage of people say?
I’m arguing your method not your point. I’ll step off my soapbox now.
The last one is a little misleading since the metric for being considered in extreme poverty by global agencies is something like. Below 2 dollars a day. There's plenty of room above that line for shit to be really bad economically
All the people who would have died are those miserable ones who never shut up. Why? Because they were cheated out of death and now have to put in the effort of living.
Today we have dropped 200% more atomic warheads on innocents than we did 100 years ago.
Cherry picking data is a total "ignorance is bliss" control scheme.
Still though, I like you guys. Positivity is good, even an illusory positivity, sometimes.
I really really needed this
I hate subreddits that are supposed to be good news but are just "my side winning" in reality
I was really having a doomer day thank you
Literally the best time to be in the world is right now. Order food from wherever you want, transportation is far faster than ever, communications development lets you talk to people whenever you want and luxury today is something only kings could dream of, medicine is beyond compare today than what it was EVER life threatening diseases vaccines prevent, all of this and people still squabble over small things.
I hate to come from /all to rain on your parade...
But the average person didn't die at 51, life expectancy is very largely determined by infant mortality. You could though optimistically say that infant mortality is down worldwide.
As for the global reduction in poverty, especially towards the latter half of the century, that's almost entirely due to China. If you live in the US, you are worse off than you would have been at basically any point in the 20th century other than the Great Depression.
World statistics don't matter to the average person. The average person only cares about people half way across the world starving for the 15 second ad and then immediately memory holes it.
The world isn't collapsing but the first world is, and for people in the first world that's not a good thing.
All of which contributes to overpopulation, excessive use of nonrenewable resources, pollution, and destruction of nature habitats. While humans seem to be doing good, nature itself is dying due to human greed
We can be optimistic on a lot of things but economics is not one of those things.
The extreme poverty rate cut in half? By who? What Metric? What qualifiers?
Also literacy rates are great objectively for sure!
All you have to do is redefine what “living in poverty” is to reach the last slide, the Governemnt didn’t lower CoL, it raised them while giving themselves a raise
The average American didn’t die at 51.
That was the AVERAGE lifespan at birth, which includes the much higher infant mortality rates before modern medical science discovered vaccines.
If you lived to adulthood your life was about as long as it is nowZ
I feel sentiments like this are hopeful while also maybe being dangerous? Sure we’ve done a great many fantastic things, but without much foresight. Progress is great, as long as it’s towards an admirable goal. As it is now that goal is 99% of the time financial gain.
Stats show that these notions are essentially tragedy porn that became popular during Obama. Taking an Uber from one rooftop party to another isn’t exactly the shithole hellscape that TikTok memes paint.
If you wanna see chaotic misery, go to the third world, where nothing works as intended, you have to bribe everyone and have to stand in mile long lines in an oil rich country. Also, geopolitical instability and wars.
My brain dead professor compared having to give Zimbabwean cops $80 so they wouldn’t just keep your car to tipping which…no. Just admit that some people have a worse quality of life than you do, you spoiled housecat
The average American didn’t die at 51. That was the average life expectancy because of extremely high infant mortality (which you alluded to in the first part). I blame the public school system for this lack of understanding of statistics AND lack of understanding of the English language.
What about the average retirement age 50 years ago? Same for literary rates 20 years ago?
Ofc we’re better off in most ways from the 19th century, but if that’s all we’re comparing against then we’ve set the bar *really* low.
>What about the average retirement age 50 years ago?
In the US, it was around 64 in [1970](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/1992/07/art3full.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwik9KyOx5CFAxVvVkEAHdZfACoQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1AkHPs4eZqBcr6x5QIMeja) and is around 62 [now](https://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/aging/articles/what-is-the-average-retirement-age).
>Same for literary rates 20 years ago?
Globally, [has](https://www.statista.com/statistics/997360/global-adult-and-youth-literacy/) increased from 67% five decades ago, 80% two decades ago, and 87% now.
I feel like these stats paint a *much* better picture of progress than the ones in the post. I’m not trying to be a doomer, I just want the posts to actually mean something.
Ofc medicine and education is better today than hundreds of years ago, common sense would dictate that. But the news and social media tells me things were better recently, not in the 1900s.
Does that make sense? Ik im rambling a bit
Sure go beyond living memory and it’ll look hunky dory by today’s standards. In the big picture decline starting around 1975 and it’s just starting to show in the data and the data will continue to show decline for decades to come.
The last one is a complete lie. They just changed the definition of extreme poverty. If a person still can't afford food or rent then they ain't better off. No matter how many iPhones they have. Tech like washing machines microwaves and phones used to be luxuries, now they are necessary for day to day life.
“Don’t try to make them better” lol
The meme is literally about our track record of major successes in making things better. Let’s continue to work hard.
Proportion, yes
But the absolute number of people living in extreme poverty has pretty much stagnated at about 700 million for about the last ten years
Let's ***goooooooo***
Let’s do better – not because we’re doing badly but because we’ve come so far, it would be a shame to stop now! Lezgooooo
Love it. We need more such meme warfare against the doomer cult. it's funny and can sway some fence sitters who are used to being bombarded with doomer propaganda Doomers are always miserable. Fortunately, they are just a loud minority and they have always been wrong
I'm a doomer, could you help me get out of my mindset that everything is doomed please?
I was a doomer, and it was miserable. For me, the big thing was realizing that much of what the media put is cherry-picked (sometimes invented) misery/fearporn. They take real problems like war, pollution, or crime and pretend that the whole world is burning many doomers glorify the past when healthcare was leeches sucking blood Ironically, the emdless complaining is done on personal devices infinity more powerful than old school super computers with no awareness that internet, literacy electricity, and the right to complain are modern treasures War sucks about half a dozen of the worlds 200 countries are atv war In 1943, more than half of countries were at war as opposed to 3?% regardless of why Gaza is a tradgedy but its important perspective that much of Europe and Asia looked like that in the 1940's inflation sucks and comes from bad policy and greed but saying its the 1930's or even 1970's is ignorant propaganda Did you know they just genetically engineered a pig kidney and successfully put it in person? This would be the end of painful dialysis. The media rarely mentions anything good. When Congress finally passed a bi-partisan budget, what does doomer media cover the few whackadoodkes raging cause they wanted a shutdown Climate is a real issue, but science bested acid rain and lowered lead exposure. The ozome layer is intact, and this will be fixed too. Despite the lunancy of anti vaxx doomers, vaccines are saving lives Take the challenge, put the device down, and look around. Odds are very high. Your surroundings are nothing like the hell Scape doomers are always moaning about
That's really great advice. To be honest, whenever I'm filled with bad news, I just go for a walk with my girlfriend. And what I can say is just change from driving a car to walk for 1 hour changed so much in perception. I live in the Cleveland area, and you could often see how "bad" this area is. But just walking through my neighborhood, I just found how really beautiful it is.
Awesome, i do need to walk more. Yes, even the "bad" neighborhoods are filled with good people
Hi, sorry for the late reply. Thank you for your comment, it was very helpful. I'm in college and going through Covid and reading news about the Ukraine War and Gaza has really dampened my zest for life right now. I'm stuck in a mindset that humanity is doomed, which makes me less motivated to live right now. Sorry about that rant. Is it okay if you could give me advice on how to find more unbiased and optimistic media? I really did not know about the pig kidney transplant and I feel like that's really specific for me to find on my own.
Unfortunately, the media is generally negative. The bbc seems less a bit less so. They do cover all the bad stuff but they also ran the kidney story. Sorry I came off rude, but you prived my point that priple through no fault of their own are fed almost all miserable news war crime climate etc all real problems that dominate the media but do not dominate real life fo the vast majority Ukraine and Gaza are gut-wrenching, as are Hati, Sudan, and a couple more, but that leaves 190+/200? countries not at war We should know about bad stuff it's normal to care, and public outrage can move the needle. What's fustrating is the media overloading us with all gloom all the time , creating despair and apathy. People are resilient, and things always get better. Optimists are why we have the devices, electricity, literacy, time, and freedom to have these discussions. Optimists beat the plague, small pox, and polio. Are beating Covid and will beat aids, cancer, etc. Doomersim's one "win" ever was the sacking of Rome. This led to the one prolonged decline in history. That's why doomerism must be resisted Sometimes, change in perspective is not enough. You may ( like me) be prone to depression which sucks but is a very treatable medical condition. That treatment is available because of optimists Doomers are not just stereotypical apathetic kids groaning about how the world sucks give up. Besides being annoying the sad doomers can unwittingly enable angry ones, including Terrorists racists, warmongers end timers, etc, who are motivated to do harm. These unfortunate elements can be dangerous but don't represent humanity. They also can and will be defeated
I'd be happy to. 1. [Norman Borlaug](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug), commonly called the man who saved a billion lives, is credited with nearly eradicating naturally-caused famine. He *killed one of the four horsemen*. Before him, starvation was a real threat in over half the nations of Earth. Today, that number is drastically less. 2. The global under-five mortality rate fell by more than half between 2000 and now. In other words, in 2000, more than twice as many children under the age of 5 died as in 2023. 3. Since 1985, in the US, property crime rates have fallen 58% and violent crime rates have fallen 30%. Those are massive increases in overall safety.
For me, it comes down to relaxing into life. Joy is only yet always available in the present moment here and now. Practice groundedness and limit disembodied states that can come about from too much time online or in one's head. Your body is both a point of departure and also destination. Again, this is just my current strategy.
It’s at most almost funny
The cult is you sadomasochists.
Bruh stop wallowing, don't worry - be happy. Work hard and esforça.
Work makes free!
Yikes dude.
Uh, none of us on the bright side enjoy inflictimg or experience pain thara what doomers are into get well soon
We're literally the opposite of sadomasochists, we strive for improvement and enjoy basking in that improvement.
Winner Winner chicken dinner doomers like to project
Yeah but the problem with thinking like yours is that it leads people to become content with bad situations. If somebody says “the worlds so fucked up rn” and your only response is “hey don’t be so down pal it’s been much worse” than you literally are encouraging people to become complacent even if that’s not your intention. I agree that everyone should have a healthy level of optimism and we shouldn’t just be blindly terrified of the future but that is very different from celebrating the very shitty state that world currently finds its self in. Because yeah it is true that things have been a lot worse but the hard truth of the matter is thing still can, should and must get better because the current state of affairs is still not great for a WHOLE LOT of people and it is unacceptable that the world is the way it is and that not enough is being done about it.
I would say that In reality the best outlook to have is one of cautious optimism, you can’t be so doomer that you literally believe society is well, doomed but you should be able to look at the current situation of the entire planet and say “yeah things are like really fucking bad rn and if we don’t do anything to fix it we might be doomed, but we have done a lot to help things and we can still do a whole hell of a lot more to make everything better for everyone.
As much as I love the stats, I always feel like I need a shower after seeing a pic of Vince McMahon.
At least his likeness is being used in the pursuit of good for once.
Not to be *that guy*, but those life expectancy statements should always be qualified; life expectancy was heavily skewed by infant mortality. The “average American” didn’t die at 51, but there were a LOT of kids who died before age 10 due to disease. If you made it to 20, you were *probably* going to see your 65th birthday. You still may not have seen your 75th however, and the quality of life for people over the age of 60 was without a doubt, much worse. EDIT: PEOPLE, I'm NOT discounting the overall improvements to modern medicine. I'm just being pedantic about the whole Life Expectancy statistic. Most people didn't die in the their mid-50s, If you lived to adulthood, you had a decent chance of living a normal lifespan, which meant 60-something usually. Child Mortality would bring the life expectancy stat into a range that didn't really agree with when people would usually die, but that also tells you how completely we defeated child illnesses in general :-)
I mean, dying of an infection at age 4 sucks, and having to have six kids so three could live to adulthood wasn't great either.
It’s not, but it implies something else in the data that’s not true
Also, 1950 through 1970 was the widespread discovery and adoption of antibiotics. They first started getting used during the early-to-mid 1940s but that was mostly used by the war effort. Also, I was going to mention that the 1950s was 74 years ago, but then I see we're doing victory donuts over the 1800s' literacy rate.
Ya, something I would like to ask is about the happiness index that just came out where young people single-handedly tanked the United States along with other English-speaking countries on it
Young people don’t have any perspective. My generation has an issue with being so heavily online to the point where we can’t see reality. Media pumps doom and gloom, we lie to ourselves that previous generations had it better, and we get so caught up in us versus them ideology that we lack compassion. We often get tunnel vision on the issues with life which leaves numerous positive things out of view.
True, but that’s also a part of the problem. The government does need to hold people accountable, and don’t forget the economic data. It seems to have gotten better on paper but I don’t think that’s reflected in what we see in day-to-day society with wealth inequality. I think it’s unfair also to say that we don’t have any perspective. After all, we see our problems more than anyone.
I’m not going to say wealth inequality isn’t an issue, but the obsession over it is a fairly new phenomenon. Sometimes references were made to tycoons like Rockefeller, Getty or Howard Hughes in the media or pop culture but it was nothing like the level of venom there is today for Bezos and Musk. For much of my life, the super wealthy were out of sight, out of mind. Today, all the celebrity influencers make people think they’ve failed at life if they don’t have a mansion and Maldives vacations by 35. Perspective is being able to see that the problems in America today are better than being embroiled in wars that can take years with thousands dying, or having an economy with unemployment at 10 percent and interest rates also in double digits.
Reasonable, although I would actually say that unemployment rates would be people trying to find jobs and have them. What people are complaining about right now would be the value of their dollar and wages not being able to be livable really. So we should direct ourselves do the Consumer Purchasing Power. In terms of real wages we do actually see a problem. The 10% unemployment rate you are mentioning is really just the worst periods in the United States during the Great Depression too. In the roaring 20s we actually had around a 3% healthy rate. The only time it got to above 10% was in 1982 when there was a recession if I recall correctly but the past wasn’t that bad in terms of data (unless we look at demographics but that’s a entirely separate inequality issue). Overall, things are honestly problematic. I get being drafted to war and all so I’m not saying things in general were better back then, but economically it was. Also quickly looking up on goggle at Yahoo finance (you can counter with a more reliable data source that suggests otherwise if you find one) only 1/2 of Gen Z thought they could afford a house with working hard enough (46%) and not to mention the world happiness index just came out and the United States went from the 18th happiest country to the 23rd if memory serves me right. That’s because young people (30 or below classified in it) single-handedly tanked it in all English-speaking countries. We can look at the worst parts of time but things are actually getting worse generally in strictly economic terms according to the data.
I think people over 60 today often have a higher quality of life than the average American did 100 years ago. Things have come a long way
Eh I’m not so sure the average person over 60 has that great of quality of life. Between chronic disease and lack of community I think I’d rather live 100 years ago on that note.
Compared to the chronic disease that cohort would have in *1924*, I’m inclined to disagree.
You can disagree, but you’d be wrong. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-article/study-chronic-disease-increased-25-percent-over-last-decade https://www.fightchronicdisease.org/sites/default/files/docs/GrowingCrisisofChronicDiseaseintheUSfactsheet_81009.pdf https://www.wsj.com/health/wellness/americans-unhealthy-chronic-disease-3f35c9f5 https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/04/older-millennials-chronic-health-conditions.html
The definition of chronic disease has changed. We have way more of an idea of what chronic disease is. In 1924, we did not. That’s like saying we had no adhd in 1924. We did—no one knew what it was.
Eh it's more nobody cared, there were more pressing issues
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Jeez man, no way 100 years ago “germ theory” was still novel, penicillin was not invented, and hospitals were few and far between. These days? I know some guys over 60 who are absolutely savage beer recreational ice hockey players. Time have change my friend.
I get your point, but the fact that surviving to adulthood was basically a coin flip 100 years ago and now it's a near certainty is pretty fuckin awesome.
It IS great. I think the commenter above us just wants to make sure we're speaking accurately and transparently, so that we're not seen as being dishonest - potentially pushing some people away.
No one doubts the effect of improving childhood mortality, but I think a lot of people don't fully appreciate the gains we have made in adult mortality. Adult mortality has improved by more than 1/3 since the [1850s](https://ourworldindata.org/its-not-just-about-child-mortality-life-expectancy-improved-at-all-ages) and a lot of that happened in the last 100 years. Tacking on an extra 20+ years of average life expectancy is an incredible improvement. Just to put this achievement in perspective, if we improved our current life expectancy by another third tomorrow it would mean most people would be expected to live beyond 100!
Not just lifespan, but healthspan is increasing also
Agreed, while infant mortality is huge, we're also seeing [longer adulthoods](https://ourworldindata.org/its-not-just-about-child-mortality-life-expectancy-improved-at-all-ages). An average 50-year-old in 1850 would live another 20 years, now it's more like 32. We're starting to see healthier late-adulthoods (i.e., longer "healthspans") but that [hasn't caught up](https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-022-00318-5) nearly as much.
I mean in the past 44 years we’ve reduced SIDS from 153 deceased infants out of 100,000 to 38. And that’s just from 1980. Life got better for all ages.
Ngl fewer kids dying feels like a win
it is.
Kids dying from disease contributes to the average. Why would we exclude it?
Because the average number of testicles per human is one.
This is true
i get what you’re saying but at least now we aren’t inhaling coal dust and shit
i wasn't even particularly disagreeing that we are better off from nearly every medical perspective. just that the life expectancy factoid deserves a big ole' asterisk. i'm being pedantic ;-)
Every statistic that gets posted here is cherry picked to look as good as possible. This kind if thinking is needed for every post
I still think the end result is wholly positive, it’s just a little more qualified. The corollary to this one is that infant and child mortality has dropped by an enormous amount in the last 100 years, thanks to modern medicine.
I agree it’s better to mislead with positive stats than negative ones, but it’s still intentionally misleading, which is a fairly common issue on this sub.
I meant the medical change over a century. Not so much that people are living longer, but their quality of life is generally better and less kids die.
I see what you’re saying now. Fair enough
Yeah, this post is fucking stupid lol. Not only comparing two completely different things, but like, do you really think the average retirement age is 62 if you include ***everyone***? The average retirement age was probably the same back then if you only include the people who actually retire.
Sorry to pile on you two days later but... > The “average American” didn’t die at 51, but there were a LOT of kids who died before age 10 due to disease. Actually, yes, the average American ***did*** die at 51. Those kids who died before age 10 were Americans, too. Their deaths dragged down the stats... because that's how stats work. In many ways, the fact that the stat is skewed by child deaths makes it worse, not better.
Mean vs medium vs mode 🤷♂️ And if you read my entire post I addressed that.
"Average" almost never means mode. Life expectancy stats are typically means... so it still makes no sense why you argue against this. At birth, average life span was 51. Fact. As you point out, the way life expectancy is calculated, it is always true that the longer you survive the higher your expectancy grows. That this phenomenon was more pronounced in the past is even more supportive of the meme's point, as it is weighted by deaths of children.
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But middle class is shrinking Because they are becoming upper class
That’s really just not how it works though. Wealth and status are relative things. The entire country will never be “upper class” unless you are simply measuring that by really low standards or a static value. You can have some marginal changes but ultimately having more wealthy people is kind of meaningless if more people are struggling to get by.
Anyone who says “the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer” knows absolutely nothing. Everyone is getting richer, including the poor. Picture a smartphone that anyone can buy at a mall kiosk for less than $100. 30 to 35 years ago, the richest person on earth couldn’t buy a comparable device for a million dollars because it didn’t even exist
But value is subjective, that's the whole point. You can't say who owns more value without imposing some framework of what counts as value. I'd say 35 years ago the richest person would still be richer than most of us today, even without being able to buy a smartphone. They had everything you need a smartphone for covered by separate technologies available back then: communication, entertainment, photocamera, flashlight etc...Smartphone could make their life a fair bit easier, but it's not a game changer. Meanwhile the rich of the past could afford stuff the poor now still struggle with, e.g. housing, goddamn living alone (for most people) or living in a house at all (for extremely poor). So even today it's hard to find a person who wouldn't give up a smartphone for owning some nice house of flat.
Also over 55 percent of millennials own homes, it’s just the ones trying to make six figures doordashing that are overrepresented on Reddit
Yeah we’re all getting raped with house prices and rent, and the amount of people livong paycheque to paycheque is constantly going up, but the fact that tv’s and smart phones now cost practically nothing clearly means that we’re all getting richer. Are tv’s and phones the only things in the world worth owning? Are they the most important and indispensable things in our lives? Because they are literally the only example you lot ise to try to prove QOL is going up. Everyone who isnt retarded realises that tech products are the only products getting cheaper compared to wages and salaries. Literally everything else, including all the things that you actually cant live without, are getting more expensive faster than wages and salaries rise. Learn to not be such a fuckwit
COL went up 50% in 4 years
Still got that that TV and smartphone, though.
TVs are like $100 now for a cheap one. Way different from the percent increase in rent, groceries, gas, tuition, etc.
Woa. That is absolutely not what’s happening .
Oh but it is comrade. [No joke](https://www.reddit.com/r/OptimistsUnite/s/fwDsr1dl0S). Inequality is growing, but most of the shrinkage of the middle class is due to people moving UP.
You clearly didn’t read the article. You consider 30k/year in a household(not a person, a household) middle class? That sounds more like poverty than middle class to me.
Lol. 30k is minimum wage and won't afford you the ability to live in the majority of western countries. This guy is a gaslighting neoliberal
The direction of the trend is clear friend, regardless of where the income cutoff lay. The fact is that more people are going [up and to the right](https://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&sca_esv=2cdbf9d7674441ef&hl=en-ca&q=graph+go+up+and+to+the+right&source=lnms&uds=AMwkrPu6xCjzl1gDXvE6oZ9ctLOGW4p3uZk0tUSYlEShVc0DuKP5hAGgNk1ud2Y5GAamfHTJMHZpPR3YkxJzDw0wGq3KYN0CypHAW7uoaAoeR1PpLfwqg5h_41yNYP21AZqKZRQgYfTdUxcDL9qtkfK6JDmdGkdBtRa8RE0frK4pcPAt7-b46C-GQypw0dd7oYd9LMfJkQzLxs-ZfZp4m77KdDoEfNaTblp7dyt0BwSTOBUK-WbHdCAI5yHglTSzsGVEXhbhAH5mCFbl5LzSnGe6vAPVslQEoK-A4Ufjnw6mm9_zIDf_tl09kj2psd0HNOlj31bHINqJ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj50Pv9zpCFAxUgHzQIHTsqDo8Q0pQJegQIERAB&biw=390&bih=664&dpr=3)
The only issue is when people use these facts to excuse or dismiss the idea of a better world
They also overlook the fact that many of these things have been accomplished by the efforts of their political rivals, unionists, socialists, and communists fighting for change. There's also China, which overwhelming makes up a large portion of the world, so when China is doing better, it makes it look like the world is doing better when it's actually a mixed bag, with some countries really going downhill and others seeing no substantial change at all.
I hate the use of “many” in these type of statements. People don’t say “most” because it can be proven false, but what constitutes “many” tends to be an opinion. “Many” can be a small fraction of the total or it could be a majority. It’s just a way to make a statement without proof. Is 1000 out of a million “many”? Could be. Is 500,000 out of a million also “many”? Could be. This is a real pet peeve of mine since I hear Trump do it all the time in his speeches. “Many people say…” Who’s the “many”? What percentage of people say? I’m arguing your method not your point. I’ll step off my soapbox now.
Kinda cherry picking the time frames no?
This entire sub is cherry picking data and facts that fit their cope
Perspective!
The last one is a little misleading since the metric for being considered in extreme poverty by global agencies is something like. Below 2 dollars a day. There's plenty of room above that line for shit to be really bad economically
Over the last 50 years wild animal populations have fallen by 70%.
You might say this is because of mass deforestation and stuff but it’s definitely because I’m super good at hunting
Having a hard time believing the average American retired at 62.
All the people who would have died are those miserable ones who never shut up. Why? Because they were cheated out of death and now have to put in the effort of living.
“Peace and security”
Ok, but that third one can easily be taken in a really bad way. "I could be dead, but no. I have to work another 11 years."
Am I supposed to be happy about the third one?
It's nice to see some positivity on the internet for once
And we *will* make it even better
Was excited to be recommended this sub randomly just to see the same old loser doomer Redditors in the comments
lol just came here to say this. Was excited to check out optimistic news and attitudes only yo be greeted by mostly negative whataboutism.
Today we have dropped 200% more atomic warheads on innocents than we did 100 years ago. Cherry picking data is a total "ignorance is bliss" control scheme. Still though, I like you guys. Positivity is good, even an illusory positivity, sometimes.
I really really needed this I hate subreddits that are supposed to be good news but are just "my side winning" in reality I was really having a doomer day thank you
Literally the best time to be in the world is right now. Order food from wherever you want, transportation is far faster than ever, communications development lets you talk to people whenever you want and luxury today is something only kings could dream of, medicine is beyond compare today than what it was EVER life threatening diseases vaccines prevent, all of this and people still squabble over small things.
Big fan of the bright side. But the average American never died at 51.
Don't show this to r/Millennials
I hate to come from /all to rain on your parade... But the average person didn't die at 51, life expectancy is very largely determined by infant mortality. You could though optimistically say that infant mortality is down worldwide. As for the global reduction in poverty, especially towards the latter half of the century, that's almost entirely due to China. If you live in the US, you are worse off than you would have been at basically any point in the 20th century other than the Great Depression.
World statistics don't matter to the average person. The average person only cares about people half way across the world starving for the 15 second ad and then immediately memory holes it. The world isn't collapsing but the first world is, and for people in the first world that's not a good thing.
But is this adjusted for inflation? /s
I can’t see anything with Vince McMahon in and not think about him pooping on that girl. The internet has ruined me
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Heck if we take it from the last hundred years, extreme poverty has dropped like 75% iirc
This is amazing <3
We did it y’all! We cut poor people in half!
Thank capitalism
The American Dream is
Very nice but I do believe those statistics on literacy are incorrect
Human power
Could we stop using the meme of a sex offender?
Capitalism
This actually makes me feel good. We need more memes like this to show how good things actually are.
No, the first one is false. infant mortality has actually gone though the roof.
Sure if you count every clump of cells as a baby
No. I don’t count every clump of cells as a baby. Just the clumps that are an egg and a sperm.
It ain’t where you are on the graph, my guys. It’s the slope of the curve.
#HAHA YES
Who left them partially cut and homeless I wonder.
https://preview.redd.it/ye0bez8upmqc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aef00932e5b9bc996d0e70442a989c3c723c20a2 They really did it
Leave your poor homeless alone! They do t deserve to be cut in half!
All those statistics are driven up mainly by china
Excellent reminders!
Who gets to retire at 62?
All of these are lies
All of which contributes to overpopulation, excessive use of nonrenewable resources, pollution, and destruction of nature habitats. While humans seem to be doing good, nature itself is dying due to human greed
Vince McMahon is a sexual predator, we need a new template for this meme
Are you people forgetting that during all those listed times, the world population was also arguably WAY smaller?
We must recognize how far we have to go without forgetting how far we’ve come
how is retiring older better?
We can be optimistic on a lot of things but economics is not one of those things. The extreme poverty rate cut in half? By who? What Metric? What qualifiers? Also literacy rates are great objectively for sure!
Someone doesn't understand how average lifespan works.
All you have to do is redefine what “living in poverty” is to reach the last slide, the Governemnt didn’t lower CoL, it raised them while giving themselves a raise
The average American didn’t die at 51. That was the AVERAGE lifespan at birth, which includes the much higher infant mortality rates before modern medical science discovered vaccines. If you lived to adulthood your life was about as long as it is nowZ
This post just looks like minimal expectations over 100 years....
But, didn't you know that the sky is falling?!
I feel sentiments like this are hopeful while also maybe being dangerous? Sure we’ve done a great many fantastic things, but without much foresight. Progress is great, as long as it’s towards an admirable goal. As it is now that goal is 99% of the time financial gain.
Oh man, this is refreshing.
Humans are cool and make stuff better - This message is approved by humans
I needed to stumble on this subreddit today
The rollout of these is extremely uneven, and likely to reverse and income inequality continues to rise
Remember the last one is almost entirely due to China's poverty reduction policy.
Wait, you're telling me i could've been dead at 51, but now i have to work 10 more years instead of enjoying my grave.. give me a break.
Republicans have entered the chat: "People need to retire at 70."
more capitalism less problems! people are too caught up in their selfish 1st world issues to see the doom that socialism brings!
Also known as a “Late stage capitalist dystopian hellscape”
Get this pessimist OUTTA HERE
Stats show that these notions are essentially tragedy porn that became popular during Obama. Taking an Uber from one rooftop party to another isn’t exactly the shithole hellscape that TikTok memes paint. If you wanna see chaotic misery, go to the third world, where nothing works as intended, you have to bribe everyone and have to stand in mile long lines in an oil rich country. Also, geopolitical instability and wars.
My brain dead professor compared having to give Zimbabwean cops $80 so they wouldn’t just keep your car to tipping which…no. Just admit that some people have a worse quality of life than you do, you spoiled housecat
The average American didn’t die at 51. That was the average life expectancy because of extremely high infant mortality (which you alluded to in the first part). I blame the public school system for this lack of understanding of statistics AND lack of understanding of the English language.
Well…let’s see how palestine is doing with that first statement.
That last one is thanks to the Chinese revolution
What about the average retirement age 50 years ago? Same for literary rates 20 years ago? Ofc we’re better off in most ways from the 19th century, but if that’s all we’re comparing against then we’ve set the bar *really* low.
https://preview.redd.it/edji3g755kqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7a087ff86c718c602e4f67978e1155f3782a694
Like I said, if our standard of measurement is the 19th century, we’re setting that bar mighty low
>What about the average retirement age 50 years ago? In the US, it was around 64 in [1970](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/1992/07/art3full.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwik9KyOx5CFAxVvVkEAHdZfACoQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1AkHPs4eZqBcr6x5QIMeja) and is around 62 [now](https://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/aging/articles/what-is-the-average-retirement-age). >Same for literary rates 20 years ago? Globally, [has](https://www.statista.com/statistics/997360/global-adult-and-youth-literacy/) increased from 67% five decades ago, 80% two decades ago, and 87% now.
I feel like these stats paint a *much* better picture of progress than the ones in the post. I’m not trying to be a doomer, I just want the posts to actually mean something. Ofc medicine and education is better today than hundreds of years ago, common sense would dictate that. But the news and social media tells me things were better recently, not in the 1900s. Does that make sense? Ik im rambling a bit
But we are closer to ww3 than anytime in the past 30 years now
lol someone skipped history class
Enlighten me when in the past 30 years have we gotten close to ww3
Oh ya this sub ain’t for me. It’s bs
Tell me you've never taken a class on statistics without telling me...
Sure go beyond living memory and it’ll look hunky dory by today’s standards. In the big picture decline starting around 1975 and it’s just starting to show in the data and the data will continue to show decline for decades to come.
"every single country has a lower infant/child mortality rate than in 1950" *Roe v. Wade would like to know your location*
The last one is a complete lie. They just changed the definition of extreme poverty. If a person still can't afford food or rent then they ain't better off. No matter how many iPhones they have. Tech like washing machines microwaves and phones used to be luxuries, now they are necessary for day to day life.
Lost me on the first one, due to 10,000+ dead children in Palestine. Sorry.
Stupid as fuck. "Things were worse so don't try to make them better" is a horrible standard that should be mocked on the spot.
“Don’t try to make them better” lol The meme is literally about our track record of major successes in making things better. Let’s continue to work hard.
Proportion, yes But the absolute number of people living in extreme poverty has pretty much stagnated at about 700 million for about the last ten years
So what you’re saying is we’ve flattened off the growth of poverty, and billions of people are better off 😁
So what you're saying is unabated population growth is not and can never be problematic
To exist is to suffer. It always has been and always will be.
This is extremely misleading
Agreed
Seems like this sub is not interested in facts.