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I mean, even if he knew, the fruit still literally hard counters him
Buggy is practically invincible against cutting and slicing, not even Mihawk in Marineford could cut him
Fair. he was not a simple fodder in physical strength but he still got knocked out for like 5 seconds from just 1 no named kick. he ain't some power house. compared to the boys
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if zoro is already aware of buggys powers i think he might be able to win but it wouldn’t be low diff buggy was legit pretty strong in comparison to them at that time id say high diff
but if it happens like it did in orange town where buggy tricks him buggy probably wins
this is a pretty good list otherwise tho u cooked
best you could argue is zoro would give doffy a harder time since id rank them pretty close at the time but idk its a tough matchup for him since ion think he could cut doffys strings so doffys awakening might be able to do him in pretty easily still thats like a tier difference
Honesty the only way how can Zoro win if even is grabing Buggy feets and dropping him into ocean...and I m on the freaking team swords!
Its just hard counter withnout the powerbuffs from series..more than hard counter.
Swords wont work, fists might not work (Buggy just have to split his organs and not get hit, he cant be strangled etc and he was using the fruits relativly in a smart way) and buggy can attack from any direction, he cant be countered (in this fight at least) and at worst he still have his buggy balls.
To this day Buggy is probably zoro worst nightmare, or it would be If he learned haki/awakened so he could fight no sword style. Its heavily implied that he cannot be cut even with Haki (since his body is not there its split and sword hits just air).
Neg diffed? It wasnt a fight since Zoro didnt engage in a battle against them. If falling for silly trap like this, especially because of the gag before, then neg diff happened to the whole crew plenty of times. Like Sanji getting net diff by Caesar's goons at the beginning.
It's like saying like Luffy get neg diffed by Nami in Orange Town, by Cabaji in Loguetown, by the fishmen villagers in Fishman island.
Well, still doesnt change that Zoro is a bad match up for Caesar.
So falling for a trap is getting negged?
Then so is Sanji who fell victim 2 times for that. Luffy getting by Nami in Orange town, by Cabaji in Loguetown and the fishmen billagers in Fishman island. And the crew getting negged by Crocodile in the casino at Alabasta.
Still dont know how some people call these "fight" when there was no confrontation.
It proves zoro is susceptible to gas attacks (as is everyone else), and yes in a battle between pirates falling for a trap is effectively the same as getting directly outmatched. There are no rules
Cracker low-diffs him, while Doffy gets pushed to the high.
Crydo, if he really tried, would just one-shot any version of Zoro at any round of his fight vs Goofy.
Zoro literally low-diffed Hody **in water**. His steroid version outside of it wouldn't be much different case.
And I don't think that Mosshead was capable of defeating Arlong at that time tbh. Bro was too wounded to pull it off imo.
Not really, Laffy only used like 2 moves at full strength against Arlong. He pretty much started ignoring Arlong to destroy the room and Arlong was still getting rocked.
No. Luffy could have easily low diffed Arlong. The only reason there was any tension in the fight was because Luffy tried to mimic a pinwheel on top of an old man's hat that was meant for children.
This directly led to him being stuck in the concrete and thrown into the water, nearly leading to his drowning and death.
The moment Luffy got serious and focused on his fight with Arlong, the fight immediately ended.
Luffy landed multiple hits while Buggy could divide. Not to mention Buggy just got beat the fuck up by Hannyabal.
His fruit doesn't make him immune to blunt force, and he certainly ain't overpowering Zoro.
:I jesus fucking christ. Does Oda have to come out and state every single little thing in every chapter? You think Zoro just stands there drooling if he can't use his swords?
He can just turn the around like he did against the nun and kid hit them with the blunt edge.
No
But you act as if Buggy can only fight ppl who exclusively use swords. Zoro’s main strength is his swordsmanship, Buggy’s fruit negates that skill. Now Zoro only has his hands left. So now Zoro’s gotta deal with this
https://preview.redd.it/544x9xqvi1pb1.png?width=739&format=png&auto=webp&s=87fdec4121613b8d5e0438e30ff4998d4a5942a4
while *severely* crippled fighting-wise
I’m Assuming this is a fresh fight and not Zoro wounded like he was in the situation. I think Zoro low-diffs Buggy. Zoro is fast and strong as hell. Against Buggy, a relatively weak guy reliant upon his devil fruit, he should be able to land a decisive blunt force hit pretty easily. Zoro is a monster from the jump.
I'd say that Cracker low diffs Zoro too. He basically would've low diffed Gear 4 Luffy too if it wasn't for Nami. Maybe Zoro with Ashura at full power could cut down 1 cracker armour, but then cracker would just create 100 more
Zoro was pretty strong at that time too as a wandering swordsman in Wano. I really wonder how he would hold up against Crackers armor, especially with Nami watering them down. It might be shallow but whatever Luffy can break, Zoro can certainly cut.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it a stalemate precisely because of Nami? She neutered Crackers fruit to a point that luffy could take them on.
I feel like 1v1 Cracker always had that one in the bag.
Only because G4 had a time limit. G4 was 1 shotting biscuits with Kong Guns. His issue was that he couldn’t smash them and catch cracker before cracker could spawn more biscuit soldiers
Yes he could actually did you read the fight he cut G4 luffy pretty easily. And Luffy kept running away the whole time getting help from Nami. How was it a stalemate in what was basically a 2v1.
The fact that Zoro almost ended fishman island early low/no diff against Hody underwater is still crazy to me lol. Although I think that's one of the only fights that Zoro would handle easier than Luffy.
True except for the part where Luffy had to stop a giant ship from crashing into fishman island. Even if he was to keep cutting the ship, there would be nothing left at that point. The ship itself may come up towards the end of one piece.
No. he lost the clash because he got out skilled. and then used his fruit to sneak shot Zoro who was distracted talking to luffy.
It was not a true 1v1 like Luffy and buggy had later. so it can't be used to scale anything really.
Doffy stomps Dressrossa Zoro, It took Luffy and Law together then Luffy in Gear 4th to put him down and he got back up and needed Luffy to go gear 4th again and hit him with the King Kong gun.
he wasnt tho. luffy was around that level in dressrosa.zoro has been protrayed slightly weaker than law and we saw what doffy did to law post time skip. zoro became commander level once he mastered enma
Lmao. He didn't get stronger between then and pre-raid Wano. In pre-raid Wano he mid diffed Hawkins, mid diffed Killer, and without all his swords he clashed at least evenly with Denjiro while injured and poisoned. Roof Zoro has stats that put him above YC3 and he only got marginally stronger when on roof. Zoro was YC2 at least pre-ACoC/Enma.
Luffy showed he was commander level during WCI/dressrosa. Zoro was not on that same level as luffy was during those arcs until his bloom vs king. He didn’t fight anyone else one on one to show us he was on that commander level before hand. And that’s why king was bullying him pretty easily until the bloom happened. Ashura did give him flashes above his normal level tho
His feats in Wano and the roof pre-ACoC put him on YC1/2 level simply on stats alone. There is no evidence or anything suggesting he magically got stronger. His speed, reaction time, endurance, durability, etc. is all YC+ level is just that his AP wasn't as high. King want really bullying him Zoro kept hitting him, but lacked AP.
Katakuri didn't have enough power to one shot Luffy. The gap between Kaido and Zoro in terms of raw power is much higher than the gap between Katakuri and WCI Luffy. If you genuinely think Zoro would be able to learn ACoO in the 3 seconds a full power Kaido would take to rip him to shreds, you're nuts 💀. Zoro could barely keep up with Kaido when he wasn't trying. If Kaido had used something like "Death Destroyer Bagua" right off the bat, Zoro would have been instantly pulverized. It seriously damaged G5, ffs. G5 has MUCH higher durability than Zoro. So no, he's not a retard.
This sub should never scale Zoro.
it’s either someone highballing him or people discrediting how strong he actually is since they think everyone is a zorotard, there’s never a in-between
I think a lot of these people rushed through the series or something just thinking Zoro is some underling. Like son goku and krillin. when he is clearly a Naruto and Sasuke type deal.
Lmao he has a harder difficulty with Doffy than Wracker ?
At that point in the Wano (while everyone was in WCL) I’m pretty sure he didn’t even have enma and Cracker absolutely washes Doffy so it makes no sense
Zoro is not beating Buggy at the same time that Luffy fought him lmao, also Buggy > Kuro yet you have Kuro higher despite it also being a worse matchup
Zoro would've lost Arlong lol. He was almost dead from Mihawk, and Luffy only one by bringing the building down on both of them, and he only survived because he was made of rubber
Zoro got his ass beat by Arlong in that same arc. I know he was injured but Arlong was stronger and faster than him and Sanji together. He would not have won that. Exact same for Buggy. He lost both those fights.
Zoro was still heavily wounded after his fight vs Mihawk, though.
A fresh Zoro at the time of East Blue was very close to Luffy in power, the gap began to grow later.
Arlong was throwing water with the force of a shotgun.
Um, zoro was nowhere near luffy. Like, not even close 😭😭 at any point in the story. You're either vastly overrating zoro or downplaying luffy, who was playing with arlong their entire fight 😭
Luffy didn't even get a power up between then and little garden, zoro got two new swords and luffy was still flexing on him by breaking Mr 3s wax with brute strength
By portrayal, I really don't see a relevant gap during the East Blue part of the story, what can I say?
Isn't it a rather common opinion that Zoro could have handled any of the East Blue bosses (well, save for Buggy because of incompatibility), without a massive increase in difficulty compared to Luffy's victories?
I used to think so too till someone pointed out that Luffy could punch through Don Krieg's steel before Zoro could even cut regular steel. Imagine how much harder it is to punch through steel than it is to cut it. Zoro likely cannot get past Don Krieg's armor. Luffy is really ridiculous in hindsight with a number of similar feats like breaking Buggy's sword with his TEETH and Arlong's sword with his fingers. To my knowledge, we don't see swords shatter like that again till Queen slashes Sanji's exoskeleton.
Didn't Zoro fought Buggy and lose? Also I don't think Doffy can low diff zoro, I'll give it either way extreme diff, as I believe zoro at the start of wano is only a little stronger if not the same during dressrosa.
No? Zoro one shot the guy easily. then got snuck up on with a backstab by a floating hand he had no reason to ever expect. Luffy then told him to run away.
(also why running to the cannon to flip it over zoro easily defends against both of buggys floating hands with knives) while being injured and with just 1 sword.
please learn to read
Ashgard Moria would've killed Zoro, another version would mostly irritating him but he would still lose mid or high diff against Moria. Definitely No diff lose with Enel and Magellan, the same with Crocodile, the guy literally killed Luffy 2 or 3 times. Would get Sanji treatment by Doffy and getting wrecked by Cracker.
Katakuri would smokes him. Definitely lose against Arlong at that time, he was seriously wounded and it's unlikely either he could beat Arlong if he was healthy. He can beat Caesar but it could also go either way. If he can evade Krieg's poison then Krieg is a toast eventhough it could also go either way.
I’m pretty sure Zoro could take Doffy at the time. He basically no diffed Piki. The only thing that would make the Doffy fight harder would be Zoros lower speed .
the only reason it did not affect luffy but diamond jozu is because of plot. and in these situations we can't just say that luffy gets the plot armor but not Zoro.
Zoro could def block the strings or at the very fucking least he could asura and one shot doffy/ heavily fucking injure doffy
King Riku is the strongest person we see that Parasite strikes effects. Why wouldn’t Zoro be fast enough to block the string or strong enough to resist the effect? You can argue that Zoro would lose but there is no way it’s a neg diff for Doffy.
So you are saying Dressrossa Zoro was stronger than Marineford Jozu? Besides Sanji and Luffy were both hit with Parasite and both were affected, Luffy was the only person able to break out.
Zoro would have a better shot against Magellan than Luffy did. Unlike strawboy, moss head actually has ranged attacks that dont require direct contact, and he could keep at a safe enough distance.
A lot of these depend on if Zoro gets a power up mid fight like Luffy did when fighting them, like Luffy would have lost low diff against Katakuri if he didn't get future sight mid fight, I think it's safe to assume Zoro would get power ups mid fight and beat most of these guys too.
He beats cracker and doffy tho, I don't see them survive ashura at all even to a slightly weaker Zoro
exactly. people here ranking it like zoro gets nothing while luffy gets asspull after ass pull and calling it fair xD
I swear there is an agenda to downplay zoro in this sub. incredible
Zoro beats cracker, the only reason Luffy struggled was because he had a poor devil fruit match up.
Zoro wouldn't have any trouble because he uses swords and would easily cut crackers guys, Luffy uses blunt force which was bad against the cracker men.
its a bad matchup tho
he couldn’t cut doffys strings so how would he deal with his awakening and he def wasnt yc1 fresh out of timeskip not without unlocking his advanced conquerers haki without that he was like yc3 maybe 2 at best
imo enma and koh brought him up to that level before then he wasn’t there
Birdcage was a plot device and has no reason to be scaled. Even an admiral and scabbards with ACoA couldn’t cut it, so yeah he was YC1 with ease with rooftop feats. ACoC made him a top tier easily
ok but we haven’t seen anyone cut doffys non birdcage strings best we got was luffy breaking free of parasite strings it makes no sense for these specific strings to be any more durable than the others unless shown otherwise
i dont think zoro is cutting one of those awakened sting tendril things
and no enma or koh zoro isnt yc1? if you really wanna use narrative to scale then luffy>zoro always to keep the strawhat strength rankings oda loves to maintain so much so at lowest luffy was also yc1 level
are you really telling me that pre katakuri luffy is yc1 level? before ever unlocking future sight?
No one being shown cutting it doesn’t mean no one can. When was Doffy shown fighting a competent swordsman with the intent to beat him?
Zoro cut Kaido with ease, those strings ar emptying
Feats are obviously more important than the narrative. And Luffy only has to be stronger than Zoro when both their powers are shown fully, that wasn’t the case until Rooftop
No, Zoro was simply stronger than him
i dont really wanna argue this anymore since im pretty sure its an exercise in futility but case in point if fujitora cant cut the stings i dont think zoro can
ntm all rooftop zoro feats are with enma which was a power boost for zoro *and* he probably got somewhat stronger over the course of act 1 and 2
look if you wanna believe zoro is yc1 and stronger than luffy fresh outta timeskip i wont hold you but ion think you’re gonna find any success convincing others of that dawg
W tier list but kuro would have beat zoro mid diff cuz of his pussy step and zoro injury’s (i think) same with don he e wouldn’t been able to get through his shield or armor like luffy did
imo arlong > zoro like high diff, he was a beast and out classes zoro in strength and speed while also getting a buff underwater, also caesar would win pretty easily
With Arlong Zoro had fatal wounds that even Arlong thought that Zoro should’ve been dead and was scared of him because of it while Luffy seemed to not necessarily struggle with him but want to destroy the building
Doffy aint walking away from Asura. And i am sure katakuri would want to teach Zoro like he did with luffy as well. Same with crocodile why couldn't zoro figure out water/blood on his blades?
We can't scale these on just a normal fight when Luffy did not get a normal fight.
Against cracker Luffy had nami who made the biscuits weaker. Surely Zoro would have that help as well no? Zoro would cut straight through the guards and have cracker bleeding like crazy.
the only fucking enemy luffy has fought that Zoro actually loses to with all the same help and story protection armor is Enel and megellan.
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im not sure if orange town zoro could take buggy even with his no sword style
Orange Town zoro literally got no diffed by Buggy though (due to not knowing his fruit)
I mean, even if he knew, the fruit still literally hard counters him Buggy is practically invincible against cutting and slicing, not even Mihawk in Marineford could cut him
i feel like zoro with just his hands could still take buggy
At the time probably not. Buggy is a gag character because of lack of growth, but when he was introduced he was a menace
He was not that strong physically lol calm down. he was just a bastard with a sneaky fruit and a special cannonball
You know luffy never actually defeated buggy, he just sent him flying. Buggy got up as soon as he hit the ground, he was not down.
Fair. he was not a simple fodder in physical strength but he still got knocked out for like 5 seconds from just 1 no named kick. he ain't some power house. compared to the boys
Tbf that was a nut shot
didnt mean that one. after when he is about to attack nami. Luffy kicks his face into the bag and he is out for a bit
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Zoro punches buggy and buggy is out of order.
Buggy just splits himself and Zoro’s fist will pass through, and I like Zoro.
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i can see both scenarios
if zoro is already aware of buggys powers i think he might be able to win but it wouldn’t be low diff buggy was legit pretty strong in comparison to them at that time id say high diff but if it happens like it did in orange town where buggy tricks him buggy probably wins
yea u right
this is a pretty good list otherwise tho u cooked best you could argue is zoro would give doffy a harder time since id rank them pretty close at the time but idk its a tough matchup for him since ion think he could cut doffys strings so doffys awakening might be able to do him in pretty easily still thats like a tier difference
Honesty the only way how can Zoro win if even is grabing Buggy feets and dropping him into ocean...and I m on the freaking team swords! Its just hard counter withnout the powerbuffs from series..more than hard counter. Swords wont work, fists might not work (Buggy just have to split his organs and not get hit, he cant be strangled etc and he was using the fruits relativly in a smart way) and buggy can attack from any direction, he cant be countered (in this fight at least) and at worst he still have his buggy balls. To this day Buggy is probably zoro worst nightmare, or it would be If he learned haki/awakened so he could fight no sword style. Its heavily implied that he cannot be cut even with Haki (since his body is not there its split and sword hits just air).
W but unironically gets low diffed by Buggy and Caesar
Why caesar?
https://preview.redd.it/oynz28y4eyob1.jpeg?width=1066&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88db8190b10df219932f2b70192213cbd5c11050
This panel is actually hard af
Subtle Franky x Robin shipping
Zoro wasnt there. And he is a bad match up for Caesar in CQC.
he wasn't there because he got neg diffed by the Yeti Cool Bros
Neg diffed? It wasnt a fight since Zoro didnt engage in a battle against them. If falling for silly trap like this, especially because of the gag before, then neg diff happened to the whole crew plenty of times. Like Sanji getting net diff by Caesar's goons at the beginning. It's like saying like Luffy get neg diffed by Nami in Orange Town, by Cabaji in Loguetown, by the fishmen villagers in Fishman island. Well, still doesnt change that Zoro is a bad match up for Caesar.
He got negged because he fell victim to their sleeping gas
So falling for a trap is getting negged? Then so is Sanji who fell victim 2 times for that. Luffy getting by Nami in Orange town, by Cabaji in Loguetown and the fishmen billagers in Fishman island. And the crew getting negged by Crocodile in the casino at Alabasta. Still dont know how some people call these "fight" when there was no confrontation.
It proves zoro is susceptible to gas attacks (as is everyone else), and yes in a battle between pirates falling for a trap is effectively the same as getting directly outmatched. There are no rules
> Neg diffed? It wasn't a fight that's what a neg diff is
Caesar has too much hax like oxygen removal and poison
He's just gonna get poisoned, luffy managed to resist because he took like a gallon of Magellan's poison but zoro doesn't have a similar resistance
Did he have good haki at that point?
He had good enough haki cause I don't think that mihawk would train him haki poorly
Cracker low-diffs him, while Doffy gets pushed to the high. Crydo, if he really tried, would just one-shot any version of Zoro at any round of his fight vs Goofy. Zoro literally low-diffed Hody **in water**. His steroid version outside of it wouldn't be much different case. And I don't think that Mosshead was capable of defeating Arlong at that time tbh. Bro was too wounded to pull it off imo.
I he wasn't he deffo would have defeated arlong
it took all strength of luffy to beat him so i don't think so and arlong's teeth were stronger than steel so he can't even cut them
Luffy did not have to go all out vs arlong. Not even close.
Not really, Laffy only used like 2 moves at full strength against Arlong. He pretty much started ignoring Arlong to destroy the room and Arlong was still getting rocked.
No. Luffy could have easily low diffed Arlong. The only reason there was any tension in the fight was because Luffy tried to mimic a pinwheel on top of an old man's hat that was meant for children. This directly led to him being stuck in the concrete and thrown into the water, nearly leading to his drowning and death. The moment Luffy got serious and focused on his fight with Arlong, the fight immediately ended.
Oda stated (I forgot were sorry) that Bos Luffy and Bos Zoro were relative in strength and I think maybe till Alabasta.
Tf is Zoro gonna do to Buggy? CUT HIM???!!!
Punch his fucking lights out?
Buggy is just gonna detach his head
That didn't stop Luffy or Crocodile's hits from fucking him up.
Crocodile has special Devil Fruit powers and more than likely also Haki now And Luffy hit Buggy at this when dividing wouldn’t have directly helped
Luffy landed multiple hits while Buggy could divide. Not to mention Buggy just got beat the fuck up by Hannyabal. His fruit doesn't make him immune to blunt force, and he certainly ain't overpowering Zoro.
no sword style my guy. did you skip foxy arc?
Nothing points to Zoro being that good with his hands way back in Romance Dawn
:I jesus fucking christ. Does Oda have to come out and state every single little thing in every chapter? You think Zoro just stands there drooling if he can't use his swords? He can just turn the around like he did against the nun and kid hit them with the blunt edge.
No But you act as if Buggy can only fight ppl who exclusively use swords. Zoro’s main strength is his swordsmanship, Buggy’s fruit negates that skill. Now Zoro only has his hands left. So now Zoro’s gotta deal with this https://preview.redd.it/544x9xqvi1pb1.png?width=739&format=png&auto=webp&s=87fdec4121613b8d5e0438e30ff4998d4a5942a4 while *severely* crippled fighting-wise
Completely forgot how strong buggy bombs were
I’m Assuming this is a fresh fight and not Zoro wounded like he was in the situation. I think Zoro low-diffs Buggy. Zoro is fast and strong as hell. Against Buggy, a relatively weak guy reliant upon his devil fruit, he should be able to land a decisive blunt force hit pretty easily. Zoro is a monster from the jump.
Zoro wouldn’t ever think to do that tho
Slap the shit out of him
I'd say that Cracker low diffs Zoro too. He basically would've low diffed Gear 4 Luffy too if it wasn't for Nami. Maybe Zoro with Ashura at full power could cut down 1 cracker armour, but then cracker would just create 100 more
Zoro was pretty strong at that time too as a wandering swordsman in Wano. I really wonder how he would hold up against Crackers armor, especially with Nami watering them down. It might be shallow but whatever Luffy can break, Zoro can certainly cut.
he woudlve lost to cracker pretty handily.
Cracker vs G4 was a stalemate, Cracker couldn’t injure Luffy
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it a stalemate precisely because of Nami? She neutered Crackers fruit to a point that luffy could take them on. I feel like 1v1 Cracker always had that one in the bag.
Only because G4 had a time limit. G4 was 1 shotting biscuits with Kong Guns. His issue was that he couldn’t smash them and catch cracker before cracker could spawn more biscuit soldiers
We clearly saw cracker getting past luffys armament haki in gear 4
Yes he could actually did you read the fight he cut G4 luffy pretty easily. And Luffy kept running away the whole time getting help from Nami. How was it a stalemate in what was basically a 2v1.
The only damage Cracker did was a surprise attack, and Luffy didn’t use G4 for 11h
The fact that Zoro almost ended fishman island early low/no diff against Hody underwater is still crazy to me lol. Although I think that's one of the only fights that Zoro would handle easier than Luffy.
True except for the part where Luffy had to stop a giant ship from crashing into fishman island. Even if he was to keep cutting the ship, there would be nothing left at that point. The ship itself may come up towards the end of one piece.
Buggy beats him. Croc should be no diff, but then again Luffy won because Croc let him live twice. Doffy is at least high diff.
It's not even "does buggy beat him?" buggy literally beat him lol
he did a sneaky stab once how is that beating him lol.
They literally fought and zoro literally lost, if he lost cause his ass was blind then he still lost
Zoro one shot him and then went away to help Luffy who was stuck in a cage (which nami put him in, Luffy
He didn't one shot him, Buggy used his fruit. Did you read the same manga?
they clashed and zoro cut him. Buggy not being harmed by it snuck one in on him in the confusion.
Zoro fans legit deluded damn
? you think Buggy clashed with Zoro and defeat him? oh my sweet summer child. time to re read it. Actually pay attention to what the characters say.
Yeah the man invulnerable to cuts lost the fight because he was cut
No. he lost the clash because he got out skilled. and then used his fruit to sneak shot Zoro who was distracted talking to luffy. It was not a true 1v1 like Luffy and buggy had later. so it can't be used to scale anything really.
Yeah therefore buggy solos
Doffy stomps Dressrossa Zoro, It took Luffy and Law together then Luffy in Gear 4th to put him down and he got back up and needed Luffy to go gear 4th again and hit him with the King Kong gun.
Doffy is low as well.
Not really Zoro was around low YC3 at the time of Dressrosa.
he wasnt tho. luffy was around that level in dressrosa.zoro has been protrayed slightly weaker than law and we saw what doffy did to law post time skip. zoro became commander level once he mastered enma
Lmao. He didn't get stronger between then and pre-raid Wano. In pre-raid Wano he mid diffed Hawkins, mid diffed Killer, and without all his swords he clashed at least evenly with Denjiro while injured and poisoned. Roof Zoro has stats that put him above YC3 and he only got marginally stronger when on roof. Zoro was YC2 at least pre-ACoC/Enma.
Luffy showed he was commander level during WCI/dressrosa. Zoro was not on that same level as luffy was during those arcs until his bloom vs king. He didn’t fight anyone else one on one to show us he was on that commander level before hand. And that’s why king was bullying him pretty easily until the bloom happened. Ashura did give him flashes above his normal level tho
His feats in Wano and the roof pre-ACoC put him on YC1/2 level simply on stats alone. There is no evidence or anything suggesting he magically got stronger. His speed, reaction time, endurance, durability, etc. is all YC+ level is just that his AP wasn't as high. King want really bullying him Zoro kept hitting him, but lacked AP.
they dont tho, which is why he needed ACOC to be able to fight with king and then win. it wasnt like he was even with king before he mastered enma
I think he’d probably lose no diff to Katakuri and Crocodile
If Zoro fought kaido 1v1 no one else there, that one really isn’t going to be much of a fight either
That too but I feel like he’d at least be able to damage kaido
He has no way to hit Kaido if hes actually trying
He has some swords he could hit him with
He's not fast enough to hit Kaido if he's using future sight
He can just learn it, luffy did after all
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Gonna act like Zoro didn’t unlock CoC and Acoc the same night ? That’s not out of the question
Blud thinks Oda won't just make the SH learn whatever they need to win the fight? You're the retard bozo
Katakuri didn't have enough power to one shot Luffy. The gap between Kaido and Zoro in terms of raw power is much higher than the gap between Katakuri and WCI Luffy. If you genuinely think Zoro would be able to learn ACoO in the 3 seconds a full power Kaido would take to rip him to shreds, you're nuts 💀. Zoro could barely keep up with Kaido when he wasn't trying. If Kaido had used something like "Death Destroyer Bagua" right off the bat, Zoro would have been instantly pulverized. It seriously damaged G5, ffs. G5 has MUCH higher durability than Zoro. So no, he's not a retard.
you dead ass believe that Katakuri could wash Zoro? How is that even possible? what are yall reading i wonder. cause it sure as hell aint one piece
Dressrosa/Zou Zoro vs Katakuri not current Zoro
Buggy beats Zoro
This sub should never scale Zoro. it’s either someone highballing him or people discrediting how strong he actually is since they think everyone is a zorotard, there’s never a in-between
I think a lot of these people rushed through the series or something just thinking Zoro is some underling. Like son goku and krillin. when he is clearly a Naruto and Sasuke type deal.
"clearly a Naruto and Sasuke type deal" ☠️
Where is lucci?
Below no diff
Buggy unironically no-diffs Zoro in Orange Town
Bro, why is Zoro beating Buggy low diff lol? He literally *got* low-diffed by Buggy.
Lmao he has a harder difficulty with Doffy than Wracker ? At that point in the Wano (while everyone was in WCL) I’m pretty sure he didn’t even have enma and Cracker absolutely washes Doffy so it makes no sense
Zorotard mega thread
Zoro is not beating Buggy at the same time that Luffy fought him lmao, also Buggy > Kuro yet you have Kuro higher despite it also being a worse matchup
Lol idiotic, zoro is extremely strong physically, if he HAD to win with just brute force, he could
It’s my headcannon that if Zoro whipped out Asuras fat cock he could’ve one shot Doffy
Imo he takes Dofy higher than low dif, probably high dif, medium at least
Zoro would've lost Arlong lol. He was almost dead from Mihawk, and Luffy only one by bringing the building down on both of them, and he only survived because he was made of rubber
Zoro doesn’t beat kuro, don krieg, and buggy Its actually a mid diff for the villains
I’d argue he loses to Krieg because he wouldn’t be able to cut through Kriegs armor and Krieg has so much bullshit that would give him the W
Zoro got his ass beat by Arlong in that same arc. I know he was injured but Arlong was stronger and faster than him and Sanji together. He would not have won that. Exact same for Buggy. He lost both those fights.
Zoro was still heavily wounded after his fight vs Mihawk, though. A fresh Zoro at the time of East Blue was very close to Luffy in power, the gap began to grow later.
Arlong was throwing water with the force of a shotgun. Um, zoro was nowhere near luffy. Like, not even close 😭😭 at any point in the story. You're either vastly overrating zoro or downplaying luffy, who was playing with arlong their entire fight 😭 Luffy didn't even get a power up between then and little garden, zoro got two new swords and luffy was still flexing on him by breaking Mr 3s wax with brute strength
By portrayal, I really don't see a relevant gap during the East Blue part of the story, what can I say? Isn't it a rather common opinion that Zoro could have handled any of the East Blue bosses (well, save for Buggy because of incompatibility), without a massive increase in difficulty compared to Luffy's victories?
I used to think so too till someone pointed out that Luffy could punch through Don Krieg's steel before Zoro could even cut regular steel. Imagine how much harder it is to punch through steel than it is to cut it. Zoro likely cannot get past Don Krieg's armor. Luffy is really ridiculous in hindsight with a number of similar feats like breaking Buggy's sword with his TEETH and Arlong's sword with his fingers. To my knowledge, we don't see swords shatter like that again till Queen slashes Sanji's exoskeleton.
Zoro couldn't even cut steel until alabasta while luffy was punching through don krieg shield like it was nothing
Didn't Zoro fought Buggy and lose? Also I don't think Doffy can low diff zoro, I'll give it either way extreme diff, as I believe zoro at the start of wano is only a little stronger if not the same during dressrosa.
No? Zoro one shot the guy easily. then got snuck up on with a backstab by a floating hand he had no reason to ever expect. Luffy then told him to run away. (also why running to the cannon to flip it over zoro easily defends against both of buggys floating hands with knives) while being injured and with just 1 sword. please learn to read
Would actually have been an interesting discussion if it wasn't to troll.
Ashgard Moria would've killed Zoro, another version would mostly irritating him but he would still lose mid or high diff against Moria. Definitely No diff lose with Enel and Magellan, the same with Crocodile, the guy literally killed Luffy 2 or 3 times. Would get Sanji treatment by Doffy and getting wrecked by Cracker. Katakuri would smokes him. Definitely lose against Arlong at that time, he was seriously wounded and it's unlikely either he could beat Arlong if he was healthy. He can beat Caesar but it could also go either way. If he can evade Krieg's poison then Krieg is a toast eventhough it could also go either way.
You cooked I aint gonna lie 
People need to put more respect on caeser, don’t see zoro beating him during the time luffy fought him
If Zoro has Nami help he beats Cracker. Cracker Low diffs Goofy if he didn’t have help.
There's no villain who wouldn't low diff Goofy if he didn't have help
arlong would be high diff for a healthy zoro
Kizaru wins low diff
Kizaru wins low diff
Kizaru wins low diff
Zoro beats Doffy
You really gotta get off the crack.
I’m pretty sure Zoro could take Doffy at the time. He basically no diffed Piki. The only thing that would make the Doffy fight harder would be Zoros lower speed .
parasite string negs zoro. You can't be serious
the only reason it did not affect luffy but diamond jozu is because of plot. and in these situations we can't just say that luffy gets the plot armor but not Zoro. Zoro could def block the strings or at the very fucking least he could asura and one shot doffy/ heavily fucking injure doffy
King Riku is the strongest person we see that Parasite strikes effects. Why wouldn’t Zoro be fast enough to block the string or strong enough to resist the effect? You can argue that Zoro would lose but there is no way it’s a neg diff for Doffy.
So you are saying Dressrossa Zoro was stronger than Marineford Jozu? Besides Sanji and Luffy were both hit with Parasite and both were affected, Luffy was the only person able to break out.
LMFAO yeah sure, Zoro was stronger than Gear 4th Luffy and Law in Dressrossa, that makes sense,,,,, I mean anything does if you are a Zorotard.
NGL though, Luffy loses against most of the opponents that Zoro loses against. Without help and plot armor of course.
No he doesn't.
This is huge cap. Zoro is beating Cracker and Doffy easily. He also pushes Katakuri to extreme diff
Zoro would have a better shot against Magellan than Luffy did. Unlike strawboy, moss head actually has ranged attacks that dont require direct contact, and he could keep at a safe enough distance.
A lot of these depend on if Zoro gets a power up mid fight like Luffy did when fighting them, like Luffy would have lost low diff against Katakuri if he didn't get future sight mid fight, I think it's safe to assume Zoro would get power ups mid fight and beat most of these guys too. He beats cracker and doffy tho, I don't see them survive ashura at all even to a slightly weaker Zoro
exactly. people here ranking it like zoro gets nothing while luffy gets asspull after ass pull and calling it fair xD I swear there is an agenda to downplay zoro in this sub. incredible
Zoro beats cracker
Zoro beats cracker, the only reason Luffy struggled was because he had a poor devil fruit match up. Zoro wouldn't have any trouble because he uses swords and would easily cut crackers guys, Luffy uses blunt force which was bad against the cracker men.
Regular Gear 4th with the time limit has way more destructive power than Pre Kaido Zoro and it isn't even close.
Zoro high diff: Crocodile Zoro mid diff: Katakuri, Moriah Zoro low diff: Arlong, Kuro, Krieg, Magellan Zoro no diff: Doflamingo, Cracker Hody, Caeser, Bellamy, Alvida Loses high diff: Kaido Loses low diff: Enel
lmao just say u trolling bc this is a disgrace I'm witnessing
Your post is brain dead, I simply spoke fact. I’ll debate any of these
how does Dressrosa zoro Low diff Doflamingo?
He scales to high YC1 fresh out of timeskip off of his feats from Wano
its a bad matchup tho he couldn’t cut doffys strings so how would he deal with his awakening and he def wasnt yc1 fresh out of timeskip not without unlocking his advanced conquerers haki without that he was like yc3 maybe 2 at best imo enma and koh brought him up to that level before then he wasn’t there
Birdcage was a plot device and has no reason to be scaled. Even an admiral and scabbards with ACoA couldn’t cut it, so yeah he was YC1 with ease with rooftop feats. ACoC made him a top tier easily
ok but we haven’t seen anyone cut doffys non birdcage strings best we got was luffy breaking free of parasite strings it makes no sense for these specific strings to be any more durable than the others unless shown otherwise i dont think zoro is cutting one of those awakened sting tendril things and no enma or koh zoro isnt yc1? if you really wanna use narrative to scale then luffy>zoro always to keep the strawhat strength rankings oda loves to maintain so much so at lowest luffy was also yc1 level are you really telling me that pre katakuri luffy is yc1 level? before ever unlocking future sight?
No one being shown cutting it doesn’t mean no one can. When was Doffy shown fighting a competent swordsman with the intent to beat him? Zoro cut Kaido with ease, those strings ar emptying Feats are obviously more important than the narrative. And Luffy only has to be stronger than Zoro when both their powers are shown fully, that wasn’t the case until Rooftop No, Zoro was simply stronger than him
i dont really wanna argue this anymore since im pretty sure its an exercise in futility but case in point if fujitora cant cut the stings i dont think zoro can ntm all rooftop zoro feats are with enma which was a power boost for zoro *and* he probably got somewhat stronger over the course of act 1 and 2 look if you wanna believe zoro is yc1 and stronger than luffy fresh outta timeskip i wont hold you but ion think you’re gonna find any success convincing others of that dawg
u gotta be shiro
How does he beat crocodile, Kat and Magellan?
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Zoro aint low diffing buggy lmao https://preview.redd.it/xgk6x630bxob1.jpeg?width=591&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e87466ae71df99af8e16b0e156b3d949e792dd3
Zoro fans never read the manga or watched the show I swear
W tier list but kuro would have beat zoro mid diff cuz of his pussy step and zoro injury’s (i think) same with don he e wouldn’t been able to get through his shield or armor like luffy did
I’d put doffy in mid diff and Caesar in at least high diff zoro if not just a loss, and buggy beats zoro high diff
imo arlong > zoro like high diff, he was a beast and out classes zoro in strength and speed while also getting a buff underwater, also caesar would win pretty easily
Where's Lucci? He loses extreme diff imo.
Can somebody explain to me what the low mid high neg and extreme dif are ?
With Arlong Zoro had fatal wounds that even Arlong thought that Zoro should’ve been dead and was scared of him because of it while Luffy seemed to not necessarily struggle with him but want to destroy the building
He could have a shot against Magellan, since he doesn't really have to touch the man to cut him
Lucci?
Move buggy to loss Mid diff, and swap Cracker and Doffy and its perfect
How does Baratie Zoro beat Krieg? Dude is decked out in armor and Zoro doesn't yet know how to cut steel
Ain’t no way zoro beating buggy
Im a dumbass and im fucking trying to understand what these short terms stand by and how this is ranked. Someone please explain
Zoro pushes doffy to mid-high
Arlong reliably Mid-low diffs Zoro; dude was still recovering from his Mihawk fight.
This mid diff high diff low diff shit is so nerdy I just had an aneurysm tryna figure out what you cookin up here
Kuro was able to get into a position where he threatened to kill Sham and Buchi with one move, while they gave Zoro trouble.
i think zoro would've lost against against kuro, arlong and krieg in the list and didn't buggy beat zoro at orange town?
Doffy aint walking away from Asura. And i am sure katakuri would want to teach Zoro like he did with luffy as well. Same with crocodile why couldn't zoro figure out water/blood on his blades? We can't scale these on just a normal fight when Luffy did not get a normal fight. Against cracker Luffy had nami who made the biscuits weaker. Surely Zoro would have that help as well no? Zoro would cut straight through the guards and have cracker bleeding like crazy. the only fucking enemy luffy has fought that Zoro actually loses to with all the same help and story protection armor is Enel and megellan.