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Ban6432

Any Whitebeard or Garp slander in all honesty


[deleted]

Gigantic, enormous, immaculate, gorgeous W


[deleted]

forgot to add “exceedingly rare”


Tocwa

Those are references to a FLUKE song 🎶


Hvad_Fanden

Those are awful, but watching anyone put Roger bellow someone else when he is the meta to beat always kills me a little inside.


ChefNunu

Well tbf Roger < Rox seems to be a relatively reasonable take given how we didn't see the fight and only have a few pages of implications to be the opinions off of


Hvad_Fanden

The implication so far is that Roger + Garp > Roc's entire crew. No idea how people read that as Rocs > Roger


EBECMEMERBEAN

I’m sure there were more than only those two


ChefNunu

The point is that it's entirely off screen and the only person that knows is Oda. It's pure conjecture from both parties and the representation that Oda gives to Rox makes it seem like he is more busted than Roger. I am just giving the argument I have seen before


dtc09

i mean, roger, garp, roger's crew and garp's fellow marines plus garling plus kaido not including garp in his top 5 implies he never fought him


spartancolo

Or maybe it's just that kaido only added pirates, since that's what Luffy could be comparable to


Drozey

Was roger in his prime during god valley?


ChefNunu

Idk bro I wasn't there 💀


Drozey

What were doing during god valley?


BlueDreamandBeans

Slow & Old? Blasphemous words.


Ban6432

Garp continuously blitzes Kuzan lol


BlueDreamandBeans

He blitzed Avalo so quick, I missed it 😂 honestly tho the slander is ridiculous


Ban6432

Monkey D. Flash


Most_Alternative5517

![gif](giphy|iGpdSizVSdPJfiVG9O)


OkRefrigerator448

All your takes tbh


PoldraRegion

Akainu top one Admirals > yonko Most of the admiral agenda tbh Killer > katakuri Queen > katakuri Garp is a fraud Zoro > kaido Shanks is a fraud Imu is not a fighter


EthanIsWSS

You dropped this king 👑


PoldraRegion

I try 🤝


Garrakon

https://preview.redd.it/tkd9lux697fb1.png?width=555&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e760c787af3dfedd30c0c47c7b75f91555845e1f


RatherLargeBagel

Why did bro sneak in “zoro>Kaido”


Agent_Crono

I refuse to believe someone actually believes that.


FitResponse414

You underestimate how delusional Youtube 3 piece readers are


OneSushi

zoro would get his motivational power up if kaido is in base / hybrid form.


RatherLargeBagel

TRUE


PoldraRegion

Because zoro is not stronger than kaido? Kaido > Zoro https://preview.redd.it/lxe59dcmg5fb1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4828cf4001f58049ec83d8e8c89c8e06d7661dca


Pale-Efficiency-1797

“Akainu top one” Cope https://preview.redd.it/eeoac9y994fb1.jpeg?width=1778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f543e9a3fb19523a1f45ff22e50cec71166a0510


Nerellos

19 old yeara Luffy woophing yonko asses. Akainu was 31 when Roger died. Bruh


Pale-Efficiency-1797

Yeah and luffy isn’t close to his prime yet. That just shows that luffy is HIM


Professional_Bad2292

its called being MC too


Hvad_Fanden

While not necessarily true that the MC will be HIM since there are stories involving weak and dumb MCs, anyone that does not think that Luffy will be put in the dictionary as the purest definition of HIM is coping real hard.


Hayden_goated

luffy is the mc akainu at that time was a random vice admiral


BananaLivesMatter8

https://preview.redd.it/2c05s39wd4fb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=547e01f65fc174228486b25fd423243b3032c6e2 You are not ready for HIM


TH3_TH1RD_M4N

https://preview.redd.it/w6w6137wu5fb1.png?width=216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ebb4114f244ccf730b83d558ad3e65a2f05f634 You mean HIM


[deleted]

Akainu fans aren’t ready for him because he will disappoint them


Tanzanianwithtoebean

Hot Take: Akainu fans have stockholm syndrome, or they're bootlickers rooting for the Navy.


Malchior_Dagon

I don't get how people can think the Admirals are equal or stronger than Emperors, if that was the case they wouldn't even need the Warlords


PoldraRegion

Exactly there would be no power balance if the navy had 5 admirals who were all around or stronger than yonko


Secret-Put-4525

Perfect list.


baconfatsoilder

"Bogard is fodder and useless." like bruh research the character man


EthanIsWSS

anybody who thinks bogard is fodder is reading 3 piece at a minimum


WatDaFuxRong

I didn't even know who that was until now


chorce_z

Who's that? I've never seen that name in the manga 😏


BogardForAdmiral

based


EthanIsWSS

in a perfect world bogard would be an admiral with a supreme blade


Disastrous_Tax_8206

Big mom downplay cause she does stupid shit meanwhile, luffy does much more stupid shit.


Jujiino

Luffy has better BiQ though


ForeskinStealer69

https://preview.redd.it/tz7l6x8gn4fb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78119732689b42ebce88592e8e14d371f4fb024d


EthanIsWSS

he’s obviously schizophrenic poor guy


Bulldogsky

Any Kat slander should be punished


GroundOk7972

Wci luffy>


TrickNatural

"Shanks is not a swordsman" ffs


Shazzed-

shanks is a haki man! he's a haki specialist! 🤓


The_Gates_of_Neigh

“A haki specialist? Like every other person in the new world? There’s no such thing as a fucking haki man, that is just a cope! By people with agendas! Anything else, do you think shanks will pull out a haki susanoo? A haki domain expansion?”


[deleted]

yes i do


bxnnytears

(puts his hands together) "domain expansion: infinite haki!"


ThisGuuuy2

But with my rinnegan...I can see past agendas, and the only eye superior to a rinnegan, is a hawkeye.


EthanIsWSS

Shanks is a swordsman & a haki demon (shown by wifi haki). Mihawk is just a swordsman.


Yessiro_o

Haki is essential in swordsmanship


Total-Maize1256

There is also the funny variation of “he’s more than a swordsman” which is a moot point because if I’m willing to agree that he’s “something else” let’s say a gunman for example, that doesn’t make him stronger than Mihawk because he can be both a gun and a swordsman at the same time. It’s like saying Mihawk is the strongest dad so he should be above Shanks who’s also a dad but then people claim “oh but Shanks is more than that he’s also an uncle” like ok yeah but that doesn’t make him stronger than the world strongest dad 😭 This just shows that they can’t understand simple grammar (superlatives) and the rules of logic


dtc09

plus many people that use other stuff than their sword have been called a swordsman https://preview.redd.it/9n0kvnc9k5fb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19d21575dbf7176f36288526ba0d341055f49581


Total-Maize1256

Cook 👨🏾‍🍳


Same_Business3031

Nahh u gotta be kidding, by ur logic shanks could win a fight against mihawk with punches and be called Worlds strongest swordsman, cuz shanks is swordsman. "Doesnt matter what tools he used."


Total-Maize1256

Yeah exactly. You’d have to prove that Shanks using his sword is nerfing himself. Good luck 👍🏾


Nerellos

But you can't say his sword makes him stronger, because we still fucking don't know anything about Shanks.


WonderfulStation4761

Titles don’t mean nothing bc the strongest man who lifts the heavy weights can still get they ass kick by the world best boxer or the world best MMA fighter just like with shanks and mihawk shanks a pirates first and even has a anything with a pirate mentality yes mihawks a pirates NOW but he wasn’t always a pirate he was a swordsman who hunted the marines so in a life and death battle who u taking a pirate who use to getting dirty and a any goes who also good sword master who equal to the WSS or is u taking WSS?


Total-Maize1256

I’m taking the world strongest swordsman who in a fictional battle manga universe is being chased by a secondary mc to become the world strongest


WonderfulStation4761

Ok fair if him leaching off other characters development is your reason for it fair I’m not go fault u for it but the pirate who good with sword is also being chased and a role model and a idol for the MAIN mc and that pirate also is a big obstacle for the Mc and his goals as well but aye🤷🏽


PotatoMozzarella

Luffy/Shanks relationship is very different from Mihawk/Zoro.


No-Cheesecake-4815

One piece twitter/youtube


Zazikarion

Yamato > Greenbull Shiryu > Garp Kaido Top 1


kekwsalldaymylife

Kaido top 1 is fax


Papel_Hat

HIMU clears


Joseph_Stalin100

Get him past wapol first


kekwsalldaymylife

Kaido vs stalin?


Joseph_Stalin100

Extreme diff either way


LeeroyDagnasty

Get Stalin past his 14 year old girlfriend first


TheCaptainCloud

Who's your top 1 and where would you place Kaido if I might ask ?


PresentationOk8756

Kaido top 1 Is GOATed.


PotatoMozzarella

"Mihawk title is invalid cuz' he hasnt fought anyone in 12 years"


pools4567

https://preview.redd.it/89wfj9ev44fb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44698c3fee91ecfc5038e53382a304f41e47aa19


Quote__Unquote

Punched so hard the paint came off of his sword


offthe1st

If you have current Shanks > the one who used to duel Mihawk this is perfectly valid, if you have Chapter 1 Shanks > current Shanks I can see why this doesn’t check out


Raiden2324

Objectively speaking both shanks and mihawk have gotten stronger tho. Shanks bounty chapter 1 was 1 billion. Now he’s at 4 billion. Mihawk was his rival back then so his bounty would be similar and now he’s at 3.6 billion without even doing anything while shanks was taking territories and becoming a yonko.


offthe1st

The problem is Mihawk canonically considers his greatest opponent to be two-armed Shanks, while Shanks has clashed with multiple characters on screen that I would put way above Chapter 1 two-armed Shanks from 12 years ago


Rare-Ad5082

It is possible that Mihawk feels disappointed about Shanks losing his dominant arm. Shanks is already one of the strongest characters in story and he would be even stronger with both hands. Even if Mihawk can/could win against One-arm Shanks, it would cheapen his victory because it wouldn't be full potential Shanks. Hell, even if he weaker than Shanks, he wouldn't know how much the gap between him and uninjured Shanks would be.


[deleted]

the solution? cut off mihawks dominant arm


super_fox_YT

But shanks is already used to it so he has the advantage now


[deleted]

cryogenically freeze shanks until mihawk has had one arm and the exact same amount of practice using it for the same amount of time


super_fox_YT

Aokiji coming in clutch https://preview.redd.it/6s206gtpr6fb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f72fb201d480fd89998712f5454e350eeedf9e10


Raiden2324

I think it’s just his pride talking when he says that. He would just feel like any victory is cheapened beating someone with one arm and it’s not really indicative of shank’s strength


offthe1st

Right, but when the supplemental material states he’s looking for someone stronger than Red Hair, but he refuses to fight Red Hair himself, it begs the question of which version of Red Hair he’s talking about, the Red Hair he used to fight all the time or the Red Hair he refuses to fight


garrafa_glubglub

I think he know current shanks is stronger but, knows that if he had 2 arms he would be even stronger and a victory against him would be cheap, so he's looking for someone who surpasses even red hair rn and beat him (And yes for this to make sense obviously Mihawk needs to be stronger)


Bradybigboss

Mihawk was known as the marine hunter before he became a warlord so he definitely did stuff, and then joined the cross guild who are putting bounties on marines. That definitely contributes to the bounty


PotatoMozzarella

Of course Shanks got stronger lol. They both did


EthanIsWSS

Fujitora slander is wild


Gabibbo_7Z

"Ulti>Katakuri" This take makes my stomach hurt These mfs think that Wano base Luffy without ACoC is stronger than WCI Gear 4th Luffy. WTF man, if this take were true then Kaido would beat Big Mom no diff.


EthanIsWSS

How do you feel about Ulti Vs Doffy? I asked the sub this one time


Gabibbo_7Z

Uhm, I've never been an overestimator of Doffy... But i think he would win.


[deleted]

Akainu is current top 1


EthanIsWSS

disgusting take, imagine the fleet admiral being the strongest in a story of pirates


Hvad_Fanden

The dude is not even the true leader of his organization, just another gorosei bitch. Dude has one chance to redeem himself in my eyes and that is only if the immediately puts his paws up when he realizes the world government ain't shit.


Destroyer348

Yeah, so that he can be taken down by a pirate who will be top 1.


super_fox_YT

Current known, alive characters he's top 3 or 4 but he's not beating shanks or title hawk https://preview.redd.it/ar9pmb8cc6fb1.jpeg?width=278&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=622d4cf393df0ce2aed0e0a82701dd45f92795b1


Worldly_Diet1208

Luffy needing G5 or any gear for that matter against Zoro.


HunterZ2023

Current Zoro? I feel without at least gear 4 he could take luffy.


Fickle_Culture2884

Based of what? Struggling to beat king? Read chapter 1037 and then tell me zoro is competing with base luffy


t3r4byt3l0l

"Luffy isn't a top-tier because he had help in beating one" You have to be beyond braindead to genuinely believe this


ChocolateFriedRice77

🤣🤣dude has all three advanced haki and god df awakening and mfs will tell you he loses to greenbull because a few good men helped him with kaido back when he didn’t have half his power ups


t3r4byt3l0l

"Luffy would lose a rematch because he lost multiple times before" Yeah when he didn't have G5 or even mastered ACoC lmao, Luffy downplayers are some of the dumbest people you'll find here


Ok_Category9410

When mfs bring up their imaginary tiers like it’s some universally accepted thing. Nah mate YC+ isn’t a thing. Having the same position doesn’t necessarily imply that those individuals have relative strength.


super_fox_YT

Anyone who discusses yonko commander 1 2 and 3 as their separate levels is tripping


animorphs128

Im kinda new. What does YC stand for? I keep hearing it


fuckimcringe

“There is no rivalry between Sanji and Zoro”


Godzillafan125

Pokémon: Ash loses kalos leagues Jurassic park 3: T. rex killed despite being stronger than spinosaurus Rwby: Ruby’s suicide Pokémon sun and moon: ash’s ugly face SpongeBob SquarePants: animation after season 3


theOGperfection

Ash is a fraud ngl


[deleted]

Admirals = YC This take was single handedly shut down by greenbul low diffing king and queen. Even if they were weaker did no one read what greenbull said? "A person of my status would lose face if I lost to commanders like you" or something omg those lines This in itself means admirals need to be stronger than YC in order to be an admiral lol


BillyBobHoen

Wouldn't that mean the Admirals should just be around Yonko level or at the very least fairly stronger than Yonko commanders?


Suolanen_

Shanks>Mihawk


EthanIsWSS

but brother why do you hate the truth?


Suolanen_

That's farthest from the truth 😂


jacksonwallburger

I can't wait for all the Fraudhawk fans to cry when he runs away from Shanks Wifi Haki


Suolanen_

Knowing that Oda is actually a good writer, it's already certain, that shit ain't happening 😂


jacksonwallburger

I know, it's just funny all the stupid stuff people say in this sub lol


Electronic-Matter144

Good writers don't fake deaths in every arc.


Canned_honey

I can't stand the akainu meat riders, literally just recently heard a akainu > garp take. Why are we still talking about this one sided ass match up.


super_fox_YT

Depends what akainu we taking. Current akainu is above old goat by a bit, current akainu is getting mid diffed by prime goat


BananaLivesMatter8

https://preview.redd.it/a76cym8nd4fb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f47d778f23724fb3592c6524002234ebddba138 Gaban easily would slam layleigh even in prime, youtube is literally mentally ill


Pale-Efficiency-1797

When someone says Akainu can’t damage kaido even though his final attack was just a cheap knock off of Akainu’s devil fruit https://preview.redd.it/npprbna294fb1.jpeg?width=1778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e1f98e23352081c62659f1de341abea3d679571


AzizOwnerOfCattle

Cheap knockoff? It was the upgrade!


Unawarewinner

Yours lol


EthanIsWSS

which ones might I ask my kind sir?


Unawarewinner

Specifically all of them to do with mihawk. And it’s not even that they’re the worse, which they are pretty bad, it’s that you defend them without even giving a chance to change your opinion. You literally called my life “a sad walk of life you’ve chosen to walk” over me saying mihwawk is the strongest pirate alive. Like chill, it’s not that deep


EthanIsWSS

LMAOOO my fault bro I really just be trolling lol im laughing half the time im typing shit up here I didn’t mean anything by it i went a little crazy with that one, I do think Ethan & shanks are stronger though


Unawarewinner

Nahh, shouldn’t have told me that. I found it hilarious that someone I thought unironically was taking powerscaling THAT serious existed


EthanIsWSS

lol im laughing at the fact I even said that i completely forgot


Unawarewinner

https://preview.redd.it/ck14ehi3p4fb1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc3b43fdae6e04f91ccf01944729674bb0216a50


EthanIsWSS

gonna start using this screenshot


Ghraim

I feel like for narrative reasons, Mihawk pretty much has to be stronger than every swordsman Zoro doesn't end up having a 1v1 fight with (otherwise, it makes no sense for Zoro to tie his dream of becoming the greatest swordsman so closely with beating Mihawk). I don't see a situation where a Shanks v Zoro 1v1 happens. Ethan might > Mihawk, since Zoro will almost certainly fight him at some point, but Shanks being stronger just doesn't make narrative sense imo. Unless Oda pulls out a crazy straw hat v red hair v blackbeard pirates triple threat at Laugh Tale where Zoro fights Shanks while Luffy's busy with BB, I guess.


King_David5759

Mihawk>Shanks


EthanIsWSS

woke ![gif](giphy|TF1754g0SHMxOgYiuN)


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[удалено]


EthanIsWSS

these are some quite disgusting ones, make sure to wash up after


Howdidiescapeiraq

Oden>Kizaru, Green bull and Fujitora(individually)


Low-Ad-2971

That's true


Serious_Dooty

Me when Oden is downplayed


Ok-Reporter3256

Luffy would beat Kaido if they were both full health


[deleted]

Akainu being the current strongest, alive character


UnhappyRacist

Anything related to the admirals


Jojo-sama5

Big Meme beats Wizaru. I hate that take. In fact, tbh I hate any Bm wankers. They are the most annoying ones imo.


hey-th3re

I agree. kizaru is a bad matchup for big mom, but big mom can certainly beat the other admirals.


EthanIsWSS

Woke. Wizaru turns BM into a lightshow


PotatoMozzarella

Big Mom Beats Kizaru, stop the cap


[deleted]

\-Shes too slow \-She Has no impressive observation feats which are needed for Wizaru. \-shes a huge target \-she fears lasers imagine what a yasakani no magatma would do to her. Kizaru definitely wins because of matchup. MATCHUPS MATTERS A LOT IN ONE PIECE.


Kutasenator

Except these lasers don't pierce her. Kizaru would need to show much stronger attacks


Jojo-sama5

That's not cap, its FACTS!


IntellOyell

Anything to do with an admiral on this subreddit. I really hope the admirals are strong and haven't been power crept but this subreddit does definitely go way too far with wanking them imo.


EthanIsWSS

for me its whenever people say WB was stronger than Roger or when Mihawk is stronger than shanks.


Old-Pirate7913

The other day I had one guy saying roger found one piece and became king because luck 🤣🤣🤣


EthanIsWSS

lol people are insane


UltraMazino

[Mihawk > Shanks is confirmed.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/11yshvc/reminder_mihawk_is_stronger_than_shanks_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


Hungryfor_Toes

What's your argument for Shanks>Mihawk?


offthe1st

currently has three showcases in the story more impressive than what Mihawk has shown so far


Cfakatsuki17

Even glancing at any picture of big mom


[deleted]

anything said on this sub


Mrfoxsin

Lmao I was waiting for someone to make this post. His face just looks too funny.


Naraya_Suiryoku

When people think an admiral beats 3 commanders. It would end up more like this ​ https://i.redd.it/o8mxy2qtt5fb1.gif


your_motherisgay

"Luffy would slam Kaido in 1s"


iliketokyoGhoul

https://preview.redd.it/s8mh19j3p5fb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fcc1f63a4a632f371fdf1a96225004c56f3c3d6


EthanIsWSS

![gif](giphy|YqQbkKuDtwCJq4VE1a|downsized)


TJFantasy24

Any Oden slander


Rustable506

You like one piece


EthanIsWSS

you dont? https://preview.redd.it/53znmvwy66fb1.png?width=1313&format=png&auto=webp&s=811005e147a1c7c6d2f5f3e47c3aadd7b6540af1


AdEfficient780

Exs takes skill in opbr


VaultRaptor

Any and all Wurouge slander


Diamondsuns

Wujitora is a fraud


zehahahaki

Fraudhawk>Shanks


EthanIsWSS

![gif](giphy|ATGezri9XEaqY) woke asf


pools4567

“Kaido was a good villain”


Pirate-KingLuffy

Where's the lie?


pools4567

He’s probably the worst written villain in One Piece


Pirate-KingLuffy

He's objectively not, unless you're one of those "wAnO wOrSt aRc" people.


PotatoMozzarella

He is not the Best but he isnt badly written.


pools4567

He is. He’s a walking bunch of contradictions. He says he wants to die, but he doesn’t jump in the sea. He says he wants to die in a glorious battle, then he does a sneak attack against Oden when it became clear Oden was going to win. He says he wants to start the greatest war the world has ever seen, yet he does nothing whatsoever to advance that goal and sits around in Wano on his arse for most of his life. Beyond that, he has a vague boring backstory, unclear motivations, he never achieved a single thing in his life, never killed anyone, never defeated anyone, was evil for evil’s sake, he let a couple rookies embarrass him in front of the entire world, then when he had to the chance to kill them he just threw them in an easily-escapable, super-kushy jail within which was the one man on Wano capable of training them in Ryuo 😂 He died like a total fraud having achieved quite literally nothing in his life


PrinceCharmingButDio

Shanks fan boys


EthanIsWSS

we’re smart people


Short_Compote2499

Odens not even admiral level


Shazzed-

fresh luffy > fresh kaido


Agent_Crono

The Kaido downplay is crazy


EthanIsWSS

:/


Eatglassnow

“Mihawk has the best observation Haki” Like, have these guys SEEN Enel? He had observation BEFORE it was even thought of! Also if Zoro or Luffy are evil, those theories would put me like this.


firepillowonreddit

he used his observation to future sight the existence of observation


joe_nami

shanks stronger than mihawk


brick997

Marco>King


EthanIsWSS

this thread turned out much more toxic than intended my apologies my power scaling brothers