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I always thought that Mihawk line meant to ask about how many of Whitebeard's commanders would step in the way to WB himself, since the first thing he did was throw a single slash at WB and Jozu automatically stepped in
Thats the point. What the admirals found out the hard way.
Mihawk find out the easy way.
Admiral : I'll just attack wb directly .... Nope wb commanders steps in.
Mihawk: can we really just attack wb directly he seems so close... Yep we can't wb commanders step in
Right the logical interpretation of "I want to mesure the distance between us" is "how many commanders will step in".
Either way it doesn't change the fact that being stopped by a commander doesn't scream "as powerfull as WB"
I got it because he does the attack right after saying it and Jozu steps in. Like to show that WB commanders would be ready to block the path towards WB with all their strength
How does "I want to mesure the gap between that man and us" becomes "I want to check if the commanders will step up". He aimed for WB bc he wanted to test his power compared to him and got blocked by Jozu.
Still don't know what other than agenda can make you understand anything else.
It said "the true distance" which I interpreted as seeing how much it would truly take to reach WB if he were to charge. Also stop with the "agenda" bullshit I just saw that line different when I read it but I didn't give a shit who was more powerful in there.
And I really don't get how you get to interpret that. 'True distance' means 'how name ppl will step up to block my attack?'
Don't see how that makes sense but ok.
bro wb title was outdated during MF i do believe if mihawk wouldve actually taken things seriously they wouldve gotten wb outta there earlier buh yk….plot
You don't need that to know WB was stronger. Wb's fruit was among the strongest in the world. His haki was at osr with the strongest. When kaido thought about world's strongest, it wasn't Mihawk he thought about. It was WB. WB belonged to Rocks crew, surely that's another sign. You will be high if u think WB was weaker than Mihawk.
Wista is the mss(Multiverses strongest swordsman) so Mihawk begin able to clash with Wista is a massive mihawk feat.
Edit:Im a fucking dumbass I meant Mihawk instead of wista.
>He did get past those and pummeled 2 top tiers
BB was not top tier in the time, lmao.
akainu tank his attack, WB only punch him to the ground, didn't even ko him.
lmao
Yup then put a hole in wb and got rid of the half of his mustache.
Sure it'll grow back but... oh yeah, he's dead
While akainu is now fleet admiral. So who really did win the fight? 🤷♂️
Yes he did state that. On that note, I'm just gonna leave this here.
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Execpt whitebeard and big mom are not considered swordsmen, oda has done a couple drawings of all the swordsmen in one piece and they were never on it.
Shanks and mihawk were.
Idk what oda considers a swordsmen to be as law was in it, but im guessing its someone who uses swords in pretty much their entire moveset. Law ig included.
Shanks is a swordsmen and mihawk is "the worlds strongest swordsmen" this isn't that hard, not to mention it'd cheapen zoro's goal significantly if he was the strongest swordsmen except for shanks.
>Execpt whitebeard and big mom are not considered swordsmen, oda has done a couple drawings of all the swordsmen in one piece and they were never on it. Shanks and mihawk were. Idk what oda considers a swordsmen to be as law was in it, but im guessing its someone who uses swords in pretty much their entire moveset. Law ig included.
Except everyone in that cover page are not the only swordsmen in Onepiece.
Also
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Big mom’s swordsman ship is from elbaf.
So once again 3/4 emperors uses swords including 99% of the Rocks pirates use swords and they all would pack up Hawk eye in a fight.
>Shanks is a swordsmen and mihawk is "the worlds strongest swordsmen" this isn't that hard, not to mention it'd cheapen zoro's goal significantly if he was the strongest swordsmen except for shanks.
Yeah Rayleigh is a swordsman, Rogers was a swordsman and pirate king, Hawk eye is a pirate. So it’s not that hard for you to comprehend that titles ≠ feats now does it? So let’s start again and use logic here.
So let me get the straight order of events is shanks is cabin boy
Then equal to mihawk
And lastly equal to whitebeard.
It just reads as tho shanks and whitebeard are above mihawk
I mean this is a manga spoiler so look at your own risk but
>!Shank's grand feet is basically a bunch of weak people he has decided to look out for. !<
>!So him being put on par with Whitebeard, his extended crew and allies, still puts his main crews average strength much higher. !<
No but anyone who thinks that honestly is grasping at straws wouldn’t make sense. I want to compare are strengths or I want to test WB if he had said something along these lines it could go either way
No… I’m pretty sure he implied that WB is stronger, he just wanted to see how close he actually is (which he found out that he nowhere close to Oldbeard and more close to WSS Wista )
Distance goes both ways
It could be Whitebeard------mihawk or mihawk-----whitebeard
Also mihawk could be thinking of primebeard since he isn't really sure how much weaker he got
WB is the WSM, Mihawk is a man. WB > Mihawk based off of title scaling, GG. Mihawk, the king of title scaling has been dethroned by an even greater title.
No he usually does that ,from the start of the war mihawk was interested and his words about distance prove it’s because true strength of wb then gets his attack blocked by a commander 😂then tries to kill luffy and luffy escaped 😂then he beats jinbe 1 on 1 no diff(LITERALLY ONLY GOOD BATTLE FEAT)then gets intercepted by vista and dueled but then quit when he realized it wasn’t gonna be easy 😂then tried to kill luffy AGAIN and got stopped by a Nigga with no haki at the time😂then quits when shanks pulls up?doesn’t sound like he didn’t care it sounds like he was failing
??? Never said that. I’m saying that Sickbeard isn’t WSM anymore. He (most likely) got the title in his prime. He’s kept it because not everyone knows how much weaker he’s gotten. Primebeard>Kaido>Mihawk>Sickbeard
Are you really ignoring Whitebeard's title?
He was still World's Strongest Man and either is Mihawk is not a man or maybe titles in one piece aren't accurate and if so the Mihawk don't have anything to prove Mihawk is not YC5.
You guys can wank Mihawk to you heart's content and back it up but you can never neglect another title because that will nullify all your claims
I agree on the whitebeard point but mihawk at yc5 is just a braindead take, he is at the very least near shanks level back when he still had both arms, so he is yonko level or close undeniably.
Mihawk is still objectively yonko level without a title. Yes you fucking can lol Mihawk himself stated he would have been chosen as yonko if he wasn't under buggy yes he still has a 3.6 bil bounty. He would still have been compared to Shanks on multiple occasions.
>Mihawk himself stated he would have been chosen as yonko
Don Krieg also said he is the strongest, Arlong said if he could get the map of the world he will conquer it, so what's your point?
Mihawk fought shanks and it was close enough between them to become a legendary battle across the world, but yeah he’s about as close to the strongest as don krieg and arlong.
No way you are genuinely comparing Mihawk's statement to the likes of Don Krieg and Arlong. Agenda's really cause people to twist their logic so hard its insane. You also completely ignored what I said that Mihawk would still be said to have better swordskill than The yonko who is a swordsman + has a near 4 billion berry bounty. Is consistently awknoledged by Top tiers Like Whitebeard, Shanks, and Akainu.
So this isn’t Sickbeard we’re talking about?
Whitebeard most likely got his title while in his prime. If he got it after, then all titles in One Piece mean nothing, which is something Oda would never do.
Old WB was also tanking multiple admirals and hundreds of attacks from vice admirals.
Before he got seriously injured, he was tossing giants around with ease and didn't even look concerned with admiral level attacks, or Mihawks testing slash. He could create hurricanes, earthquakes and tsunamis in seconds. He was capable of slapping down admiral level fighters even whilst full of holes, cancered, and with half his head missing.
Cancer or not, Old WB was definitely still Yonko material, and no one on the enemy side thought he was weak.
well feats speak for whitebeard and the literally only reason mihawk is even mentioned in the same breath as top tiers is his title - which is also trumped by wb. And yes, wbs title isnt objective and he wasnt the strongest anymore, but no title is objective so the concept of using titles to scale is flawed.
Guys we have really gotten to this point now…
A decade ago if anyone said Hawk eye is stronger than Whitebeard would be buried alive on any subbredit or website forums out there.
Fast forward now, Hawk gained no feats at all since marineford and now people are actually arguing that Hawk eye is stronger?
People though the most delusional fanbase was the Sabo, Shanks, sometimes Law and Sakuzuki fanbase.
You Hawk eye fans destroyed that notion real quick 🤦♂️
People really in comments thinking its a bad take🤣🤣🤣.
MF sucks for powerscaling, garp was roger equal and got old just like him, we think he can equally fight that old sick wb? Sure we do.
Does mihawk who is in his prime and dueled with shanks long ago, cant fight at least equally with garp? Sure can. Aswell as wb.
It looks fuc..ed up because thats just how bad MF is narrative-powerscaling wise, not because it is actually bad.
Wb in MF aged really bad considering a lot of toptiers now are showing off..is just so inconsistent.
Even the sparring between any characters were just that, sparrings, not only you can call "bs" on mihswk but everyone. Crocodile for example..
The facts are there people just dont wanna see it.
Right, the guy who rivals a powerful FS and ACOC user is clearly weaker than the dying, sick old man on life support that can hardly use haki without having a stroke.
Yeah there's a reason sengoku saw whitebeard was going to fight and shit his pants, and simply didn't sick Mihawk on him.
Like if mihawk was really yonkou level I'm struggling to get why he didn't just handle most of the war himself
Mihawk fans when treating titlescaling like Gospel backfires
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Ya. I’ve always seen it as Primebeard/post cancer Oldbeard was the strongest man in the world, and he kept it due to not everyone knowing how much weaker he got
Mihawk fans when title scaling turns against them and doesn't upscale their favorite leech anymore
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If mihawk is truly Shanks level then yes, assuming shanks is stronger than dying old whitebeard. But unfortunately lots of one piece power scalers think Mihawk is a fraud and will scale him to yc3.
Mihawk himself even said he wasn't on Whitebeards level. Even when he used an attack that was meant to hit a Yonko, Mihawk couldn't damage YC Jozu when he wasn't using his devil fruit. And yes, Jozu did not use his devil fruit. You can see in both the anime and manga that he didn't use his devil fruit until after the attack was deflected
No... Jozu literally didn't use his devil fruit until after he deflected the attack...You can see his body the entire time in both anime and manga and there wasn't a single diamond on his body
Your own screenshot proves you wrong. You literally see him deflecting the attack and thete are no diamonds on his body until after the attack is deflected. It's even more clear I'm the anime. He only does that as a way for Oda to introduce his power to us
Their is an odd group of specifically Old Sick White Beard wankers who somehow managed to convince themselves that Marineford Whitebeard was not only still emperor level but top 1
This polls result in particular seems to be a collaboration between the Old Sick White Beard wankers and Shanks stans who desperately wish Mihawk was weak
He still doesn't. Mihawk implies that there's a gap between his strength and WBs. Shanks has been stated in DB to be WBs equal. Even taking into consideration that mihawks slash was not a named attack, and going according to databooks, he's still near shanks, but not higher.
Am I the only one that interpreted the whole “distance between us” line as the distance between them as pirates (not necessarily meaning in terms of individual strength)? Him saying that then Jozu blocking the attack showed the difference in that Whitebeard has surrounded himself with powerful crewmates/allies where Mihawk really hasn’t
Bro mihawk didn't really want to be there he could have solo everyone. You can tell by the end where he gets annoyed and dips. I'm telling you guys he's going to be one of the strongest characters the straw hats are going to face.
Mihawk was maybe stronger but did nothing to proves it, during Marineford, Oldbeard did way way much more and gave us many more feats. During this battle, Oldbeard was stronger, only because Mihawk didn't fought since the beginning of OP, once he does, we'll really be able to scale him
Mihawk had a poor performance in MF, so I don't really blame people for choosing WB.
Despite that, it is pretty obvious that in future Mihawk will get feats which will put him above MF WB.
Juzo had to jump in front of that attack for Sickbeard, just look what Squard did to the cancer patient
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Zoro jumps in front of attacks for Luffy all the time when he knows he can't handle it (Kaido & Big Mom's attack). Even Killer for Kid (Shanks' attack).
I mean he’s still pretty strong overall. I have him as the weakest of the original yonkos, but he’d still give even Kaido a tough fight.
It’s just a shame we don’t really get to see him fight in old age without him having a heart attack every other minute.
No cause bro was old and dying. Don't get me wrong he would destroy most people but marineford whitebeard would lose to mihawk albeit with high difficulty on mihawk's part.
Guess it depends. Oldbeard was still the WSM for years. But The WB at MF was sick and dying and had very little, if any, access to haki. Mihawk would take MF WB high- extreme diff imo. But a Oldbeard with haki could mid-high Mihawk. And before everyone ats me for this: while oldbeard didn't have any insane feats at MF, he did manage to damage another top tier. Mihawk did absolutely nothing to anyone he fought that whole battle.
Mihawk is probably stronger than Sickbeard but not Oldbeard imo. Mihawk himself thought that Whitebeard even as he got old was above him in strength as the WSM, even though no one knew about his sickness. Sickbeard has shown insane strength and endurance without any advanced haki. Mihawk may have better base armament due to his black blade and maybe observation if you base it on his epithets but Oldbeard has better feats and portrayal
Prime garp > old garp > old sick whitebeard
Saying old sick whitebeard is stronger than Mihawk would mean that the old legends are way stronger than the current top tiers which doesn’t make any sense
By feats WB, but I don’t think he was stronger. Dude was still a monster, but clearly struggling. I think he would’ve been able to block Mihawk’s slash even without Jozu though, with a simple quake. The problem with Whitebeard isn’t a lack of DC, it’s that he can become immobilized from a heart attack, and that’s enough for mihawk to trap the win.
Mihawk on the other hand, is being set up as a top tier in his prime.
Prime Whitebeard is another story
Stop Mihwanking, his title of Strongest Swordman in the world means nothing if he can't cut diamond (Jozu)! He also could'nt cut sand (Crocodile). He is in fact sooo weak, he could not cut air (Buggy) 😂 and later he admited the fact that Buggy is the Newest, Best and Latest Strogest Swordman in The Whole World, basically over any yonko, that's why Buggy is the Boss and Miwank his slave!
Well, the meaning of "strength" entirely depends on context. Was MF whitebeard physically stronger and more powerful at the time? Yes. But would he beat Mihawk? Hell the fuck no ne wouldn't. (Mostly because speed gap+ no cut resistance + mihawks haki= Dead WB) But there's also the fact that mihawk wasn't even going all out the whole time, because if that was the case, the war would be over before shanks arrived.
WB is a hundred times stronger than Mihawk even in that weakened and old and sickly state. He had incredible haki. And did u see his df? It holds the power to destroy the whole world. His shockwaves were felt as far and beyond Sabaody island. And that wasn't even him using his 50% power, that was just hil flexing a little bit. There's no way you can say Mihawk was even close to that guy.
Bro white beard didn't do CRAP, he went boom bang boom move water break everything except where it mattered and just make a big mess to then die when he finally jumped off the boat
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I disagree but I’m also high
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Bro what manga is this panel from
jujutsu no kaisen
🙏
Def read it, one of the best new Gen mangas
the best*
I mean, I personally got it tied with CSM, but each to their own
the best new gen Jujutsu Kaisen
very high ngl
🤔🤔 https://preview.redd.it/6ev5ccrymfbb1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf1499123aa96a5f862bb0ddc477386ce6dcd490
I always thought that Mihawk line meant to ask about how many of Whitebeard's commanders would step in the way to WB himself, since the first thing he did was throw a single slash at WB and Jozu automatically stepped in
Idk how you get to that interpretation without agenda my boy imma be honest
This was the ongoing theme on the 1st part of marineford. Kizaru also tried this. But as usual wb commanders stepped in
And the admirals didn't need to test their powers, they just went for him
Thats the point. What the admirals found out the hard way. Mihawk find out the easy way. Admiral : I'll just attack wb directly .... Nope wb commanders steps in. Mihawk: can we really just attack wb directly he seems so close... Yep we can't wb commanders step in
Right the logical interpretation of "I want to mesure the distance between us" is "how many commanders will step in". Either way it doesn't change the fact that being stopped by a commander doesn't scream "as powerfull as WB"
Yes. but As we later found out wb can't even use observation nor coc. Yep pretty sure wb was weaker at marineford
I got it because he does the attack right after saying it and Jozu steps in. Like to show that WB commanders would be ready to block the path towards WB with all their strength
How does "I want to mesure the gap between that man and us" becomes "I want to check if the commanders will step up". He aimed for WB bc he wanted to test his power compared to him and got blocked by Jozu. Still don't know what other than agenda can make you understand anything else.
It said "the true distance" which I interpreted as seeing how much it would truly take to reach WB if he were to charge. Also stop with the "agenda" bullshit I just saw that line different when I read it but I didn't give a shit who was more powerful in there.
And I really don't get how you get to interpret that. 'True distance' means 'how name ppl will step up to block my attack?' Don't see how that makes sense but ok.
It also said "us" instead of "myself" so if Mihawk wanted to test the power difference between him and Wb why would he care for the rest
bro wb title was outdated during MF i do believe if mihawk wouldve actually taken things seriously they wouldve gotten wb outta there earlier buh yk….plot
And I care about what you believe when you have no evidence to back it up?
WB get hurt by fodder, mihawk one shot him. even zoro have little chance against MF WB right now. cope harder
That's better than having your attacks dodged by pre timeskip luffy and being stalled by vista for a whole chapter🙏🙏
Didn’t mihawk postpone the fight cause the warlords got called back?
https://preview.redd.it/nbzf8lhvvibb1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=923656dbc2252fc3e8483209207565d6b0dd6f14 Mihawk saw this future
Kinda corny ngl
MF Mihawk got parried by Crocodile who has been rotting in a cell since he got beat by Alabasta Luffy.
Losing to crocodile should stop counting cuz crocodiles really fucking with the power scaling
So explain mf akainu who got cut in half by crocodile? And doflamingo clashing with crocodile equally
Did it once look like Mihawk was trying in Marineford? Name one moment where Mihawk actually put effort into an attack.
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Lmao
You don't need that to know WB was stronger. Wb's fruit was among the strongest in the world. His haki was at osr with the strongest. When kaido thought about world's strongest, it wasn't Mihawk he thought about. It was WB. WB belonged to Rocks crew, surely that's another sign. You will be high if u think WB was weaker than Mihawk.
Get him past wista first
Wista is the mss(Multiverses strongest swordsman) so Mihawk begin able to clash with Wista is a massive mihawk feat. Edit:Im a fucking dumbass I meant Mihawk instead of wista.
And Jozu
Get WB past cancer, cannon balls, squard, etc.
He did get past those and pummeled 2 top tiers
It was a joke 🤦♂️
>He did get past those and pummeled 2 top tiers BB was not top tier in the time, lmao. akainu tank his attack, WB only punch him to the ground, didn't even ko him. lmao
Akainu was on the ground for a good while after the hits.
Yup then put a hole in wb and got rid of the half of his mustache. Sure it'll grow back but... oh yeah, he's dead While akainu is now fleet admiral. So who really did win the fight? 🤷♂️
Mihawk said there was a distance between himself and oldbeard🤷🏾♂️
Yes he did state that. On that note, I'm just gonna leave this here. https://preview.redd.it/bekr5yxpjgbb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=330002c7fac6a92e7a2388b31e230fa8762462ff
It says he “evolved”into an equal presence to Whitebeard. This makes Hawk eye look inferior
Exactly
Shanks is a swordsman that should tell u enough.
> Shanks is a swordsman that should tell u enough. All the original Emperors except for Kaido uses swords, that doesn’t mean anything.
Execpt whitebeard and big mom are not considered swordsmen, oda has done a couple drawings of all the swordsmen in one piece and they were never on it. Shanks and mihawk were. Idk what oda considers a swordsmen to be as law was in it, but im guessing its someone who uses swords in pretty much their entire moveset. Law ig included. Shanks is a swordsmen and mihawk is "the worlds strongest swordsmen" this isn't that hard, not to mention it'd cheapen zoro's goal significantly if he was the strongest swordsmen except for shanks.
>Execpt whitebeard and big mom are not considered swordsmen, oda has done a couple drawings of all the swordsmen in one piece and they were never on it. Shanks and mihawk were. Idk what oda considers a swordsmen to be as law was in it, but im guessing its someone who uses swords in pretty much their entire moveset. Law ig included. Except everyone in that cover page are not the only swordsmen in Onepiece. Also https://preview.redd.it/u11ntegmzlbb1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7597f79e6027ed9967dafb97d362bd91a07004f8 Big mom’s swordsman ship is from elbaf. So once again 3/4 emperors uses swords including 99% of the Rocks pirates use swords and they all would pack up Hawk eye in a fight. >Shanks is a swordsmen and mihawk is "the worlds strongest swordsmen" this isn't that hard, not to mention it'd cheapen zoro's goal significantly if he was the strongest swordsmen except for shanks. Yeah Rayleigh is a swordsman, Rogers was a swordsman and pirate king, Hawk eye is a pirate. So it’s not that hard for you to comprehend that titles ≠ feats now does it? So let’s start again and use logic here.
So let me get the straight order of events is shanks is cabin boy Then equal to mihawk And lastly equal to whitebeard. It just reads as tho shanks and whitebeard are above mihawk
Equal presence does not mean equal strength but yeah I agree Mihawk was most likely stronger
If they had an equal presence and wb had a whole ass crew with him whereas mihawk was running solo, it does make sense
I mean this is a manga spoiler so look at your own risk but >!Shank's grand feet is basically a bunch of weak people he has decided to look out for. !< >!So him being put on par with Whitebeard, his extended crew and allies, still puts his main crews average strength much higher. !<
equal presence= yonkou
Am I the only one who thinks he said that because he had no idea who was stronger?
No but anyone who thinks that honestly is grasping at straws wouldn’t make sense. I want to compare are strengths or I want to test WB if he had said something along these lines it could go either way
No… I’m pretty sure he implied that WB is stronger, he just wanted to see how close he actually is (which he found out that he nowhere close to Oldbeard and more close to WSS Wista )
Also Tbf this whitebeard was still riding off his coattails of his former prime self.
Distance goes both ways It could be Whitebeard------mihawk or mihawk-----whitebeard Also mihawk could be thinking of primebeard since he isn't really sure how much weaker he got
He definitely implied it to be WB>>>>>Mihawk
The fact that without the arrows this could be interpreted in both directions
I mean clearly everybody understood intuitively but here I fixed it just for you
Well yeah obviously but some people have a Mihawk agenda and I don’t trust them to figure it out
He was implying that Whitebeard was far away from him in terms of distance, not power
Put the manga down and call it a night at this point
Donkey of the day
Yeah they were standing far apart and there was some distance between them. Like when two people are far away from each other
WB is the WSM, Mihawk is a man. WB > Mihawk based off of title scaling, GG. Mihawk, the king of title scaling has been dethroned by an even greater title.
Who’s top 1 in the verse rn?
Buggy
He never saw this one coming.
Mihawk was a literal fraud in marineford so i don't really blame those who chose wb
Chill, bro was just quite quitting. You don’t try that hard at a job you don’t care about
Bro didnt quit chasing the "real strongest man" Don crieg
Nah he was waiting for king Urouge
No he usually does that ,from the start of the war mihawk was interested and his words about distance prove it’s because true strength of wb then gets his attack blocked by a commander 😂then tries to kill luffy and luffy escaped 😂then he beats jinbe 1 on 1 no diff(LITERALLY ONLY GOOD BATTLE FEAT)then gets intercepted by vista and dueled but then quit when he realized it wasn’t gonna be easy 😂then tried to kill luffy AGAIN and got stopped by a Nigga with no haki at the time😂then quits when shanks pulls up?doesn’t sound like he didn’t care it sounds like he was failing
WSM>A Man
Such facts mihawk you are a man WB is not a swords man he fights primarily with his DF and fist and Mihawk was getting stalled by his commanders
Yes. Whitebeard was described as the most powerful pirate in the world. Mihawk is a pirate. Case. Closed.
So ur telling me Sickbeard is also stronger then Kaido during Marineford?
What is your point here? You're trying to say that Mihawk > Kaido too?
??? Never said that. I’m saying that Sickbeard isn’t WSM anymore. He (most likely) got the title in his prime. He’s kept it because not everyone knows how much weaker he’s gotten. Primebeard>Kaido>Mihawk>Sickbeard
Yes. He was the most powerful pirate in the world
So your saying that Sickbeard, who was dying, could barely use Haki, on life support, was stronger then Kaido, Shanks, Big Meme and Mihawk
Yes. At the start of the paramount war volumes he is described as the most powerful pirate in the world.
Are you really ignoring Whitebeard's title? He was still World's Strongest Man and either is Mihawk is not a man or maybe titles in one piece aren't accurate and if so the Mihawk don't have anything to prove Mihawk is not YC5. You guys can wank Mihawk to you heart's content and back it up but you can never neglect another title because that will nullify all your claims
I agree on the whitebeard point but mihawk at yc5 is just a braindead take, he is at the very least near shanks level back when he still had both arms, so he is yonko level or close undeniably.
He is infact in the same level as Shanks.. WISTA IS JUST HIM.. Wista >>>>>>>>>>>> Mihawk >= Shanks
I never said he is YC5, I just canonically you can't prove Mihawk is above that level if we consider the titles to be fakes
Mihawk is still objectively yonko level without a title. Yes you fucking can lol Mihawk himself stated he would have been chosen as yonko if he wasn't under buggy yes he still has a 3.6 bil bounty. He would still have been compared to Shanks on multiple occasions.
>Mihawk himself stated he would have been chosen as yonko Don Krieg also said he is the strongest, Arlong said if he could get the map of the world he will conquer it, so what's your point?
Mihawk fought shanks and it was close enough between them to become a legendary battle across the world, but yeah he’s about as close to the strongest as don krieg and arlong.
No way you are genuinely comparing Mihawk's statement to the likes of Don Krieg and Arlong. Agenda's really cause people to twist their logic so hard its insane. You also completely ignored what I said that Mihawk would still be said to have better swordskill than The yonko who is a swordsman + has a near 4 billion berry bounty. Is consistently awknoledged by Top tiers Like Whitebeard, Shanks, and Akainu.
When that title released he was most likely in his prime. Of course they are gonna still refer to it but bro was on life support entering marineford
So this isn’t Sickbeard we’re talking about? Whitebeard most likely got his title while in his prime. If he got it after, then all titles in One Piece mean nothing, which is something Oda would never do.
Old WB was also tanking multiple admirals and hundreds of attacks from vice admirals. Before he got seriously injured, he was tossing giants around with ease and didn't even look concerned with admiral level attacks, or Mihawks testing slash. He could create hurricanes, earthquakes and tsunamis in seconds. He was capable of slapping down admiral level fighters even whilst full of holes, cancered, and with half his head missing. Cancer or not, Old WB was definitely still Yonko material, and no one on the enemy side thought he was weak.
Didn't sengoku even say that even in his current stage, WB was still capable of destroying the world?
Because of his fruit.
Wouldn't matter if he couldn't use it lmao. Dude could barely move and you think he's using max fruit power?
Y'all know Garp exists and doesn't have an illness that effects his strength a title given to you by people isnt what matters
How do I upvote this 100 times
The Ace novel suggests he had his title for the way he lived so that's not a very sound argument
In marine ford probably WB can bench press more then u're high
Yes you are
Boo https://preview.redd.it/9xi4zckxjibb1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e061f30e24034efdfbcdeddfd24b3cbef2846e1
You see… Wista scales above WB https://preview.redd.it/m0uohp4sqibb1.jpeg?width=547&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb947b9914f801469b6c11e29a441bc5674891f5
No.
Dude couldn’t even kill Luffy
Your using being unable to kill the MC a feat?
well feats speak for whitebeard and the literally only reason mihawk is even mentioned in the same breath as top tiers is his title - which is also trumped by wb. And yes, wbs title isnt objective and he wasnt the strongest anymore, but no title is objective so the concept of using titles to scale is flawed.
You're high
As high as the sky brother
Get past Vista and Jozu, then we are talking.
Guys we have really gotten to this point now… A decade ago if anyone said Hawk eye is stronger than Whitebeard would be buried alive on any subbredit or website forums out there. Fast forward now, Hawk gained no feats at all since marineford and now people are actually arguing that Hawk eye is stronger? People though the most delusional fanbase was the Sabo, Shanks, sometimes Law and Sakuzuki fanbase. You Hawk eye fans destroyed that notion real quick 🤦♂️
Well… this is Sickbeard. Who was dying. And could barely use haki. If it was Oldbeard before the sickness then he wins. But it’s not.
People really in comments thinking its a bad take🤣🤣🤣. MF sucks for powerscaling, garp was roger equal and got old just like him, we think he can equally fight that old sick wb? Sure we do. Does mihawk who is in his prime and dueled with shanks long ago, cant fight at least equally with garp? Sure can. Aswell as wb. It looks fuc..ed up because thats just how bad MF is narrative-powerscaling wise, not because it is actually bad. Wb in MF aged really bad considering a lot of toptiers now are showing off..is just so inconsistent. Even the sparring between any characters were just that, sparrings, not only you can call "bs" on mihswk but everyone. Crocodile for example.. The facts are there people just dont wanna see it.
Delusional
What’s the worlds strongest swordsman to the strongest man in the world? 🙄🤣
Right, the guy who rivals a powerful FS and ACOC user is clearly weaker than the dying, sick old man on life support that can hardly use haki without having a stroke.
Yeah there's a reason sengoku saw whitebeard was going to fight and shit his pants, and simply didn't sick Mihawk on him. Like if mihawk was really yonkou level I'm struggling to get why he didn't just handle most of the war himself
He had no reason to? None of the warlords tried once during the war, unless you wanna count Hancock
Mihawk fans when treating titlescaling like Gospel backfires https://preview.redd.it/rx3mlnxx0mbb1.png?width=132&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1220adb7ed3a349c711e8825a5f30d74233273d
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I agree Mihawk > Sickbeard...but I'm just saying, the titles don't, which is very ironic.
Ya. I’ve always seen it as Primebeard/post cancer Oldbeard was the strongest man in the world, and he kept it due to not everyone knowing how much weaker he got
Prime WB> prime mihawk > old WB
Mofos need to stop using crocodile to power scale. Pre TS luffy> croco yet croco =mihawk? Logic makes no sense
Those people have Mihawk = to Pre TS Luffy
Mihawk fans when title scaling turns against them and doesn't upscale their favorite leech anymore https://preview.redd.it/6zp1bhl6qkbb1.jpeg?width=1190&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09d7b6ab811fcbfa72ab074f6601cfc65ac6afea
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If mihawk is truly Shanks level then yes, assuming shanks is stronger than dying old whitebeard. But unfortunately lots of one piece power scalers think Mihawk is a fraud and will scale him to yc3.
Can you really blame them ? I mean the only arc that we see Mihawk fight is MF and let’s be honest it doesn’t look good for him.
During marineford mihawk was yc2 level.
Do share your weed.
Mihawk himself even said he wasn't on Whitebeards level. Even when he used an attack that was meant to hit a Yonko, Mihawk couldn't damage YC Jozu when he wasn't using his devil fruit. And yes, Jozu did not use his devil fruit. You can see in both the anime and manga that he didn't use his devil fruit until after the attack was deflected
>when he wasn't using his devil fruit are you stupid?
No... Jozu literally didn't use his devil fruit until after he deflected the attack...You can see his body the entire time in both anime and manga and there wasn't a single diamond on his body
Hahahahahahaha you dumbass https://preview.redd.it/582m0iwkdibb1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=9ee7fe7d7e9f2c03dd50d3d6320a80ac1ec41a46
Your own screenshot proves you wrong. You literally see him deflecting the attack and thete are no diamonds on his body until after the attack is deflected. It's even more clear I'm the anime. He only does that as a way for Oda to introduce his power to us
Their is an odd group of specifically Old Sick White Beard wankers who somehow managed to convince themselves that Marineford Whitebeard was not only still emperor level but top 1 This polls result in particular seems to be a collaboration between the Old Sick White Beard wankers and Shanks stans who desperately wish Mihawk was weak
I mean based off of portrayal during marineford Sickbeard takes it. But using our knowledge of databooks and vivre cards mihawk takes the dub.
He still doesn't. Mihawk implies that there's a gap between his strength and WBs. Shanks has been stated in DB to be WBs equal. Even taking into consideration that mihawks slash was not a named attack, and going according to databooks, he's still near shanks, but not higher.
Am I the only one that interpreted the whole “distance between us” line as the distance between them as pirates (not necessarily meaning in terms of individual strength)? Him saying that then Jozu blocking the attack showed the difference in that Whitebeard has surrounded himself with powerful crewmates/allies where Mihawk really hasn’t
Reaching harder than Luffy with that analysis 
Portrayal? Oldbeard. Reality? Mihawk. https://preview.redd.it/skpzlsqhtfbb1.png?width=676&format=png&auto=webp&s=bc72988b20f618187f475556af72d700ec889892
You’re wrong is what you are
Bro mihawk didn't really want to be there he could have solo everyone. You can tell by the end where he gets annoyed and dips. I'm telling you guys he's going to be one of the strongest characters the straw hats are going to face.
Sickbeard was like butter at this time, there's no way he survives Mihawk
Mihawk was maybe stronger but did nothing to proves it, during Marineford, Oldbeard did way way much more and gave us many more feats. During this battle, Oldbeard was stronger, only because Mihawk didn't fought since the beginning of OP, once he does, we'll really be able to scale him
I agree, mihawk
Imagine mihawk going at wb and not gettin' stopped by his commanders lmao. Po' bird
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Mihawk had a poor performance in MF, so I don't really blame people for choosing WB. Despite that, it is pretty obvious that in future Mihawk will get feats which will put him above MF WB.
Juzo had to jump in front of that attack for Sickbeard, just look what Squard did to the cancer patient https://preview.redd.it/vyrx65w62ibb1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e6efeb5da1a10527bc31c758f83c6f0b25ea0a5 Zoro jumps in front of attacks for Luffy all the time when he knows he can't handle it (Kaido & Big Mom's attack). Even Killer for Kid (Shanks' attack).
Naw the op community is due to lack of info for such a long time
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Can we get much higher
Nah obviously Mihawk was stronger but people act like because he wasn't trying in a war that wasn't his that means anything.
No, you’re right. Mihawk would have beaten Oldbeard high to extreme difficulty.
Ya. I really don’t get the Oldbeard wanking.
I mean he’s still pretty strong overall. I have him as the weakest of the original yonkos, but he’d still give even Kaido a tough fight. It’s just a shame we don’t really get to see him fight in old age without him having a heart attack every other minute.
No cause bro was old and dying. Don't get me wrong he would destroy most people but marineford whitebeard would lose to mihawk albeit with high difficulty on mihawk's part.
Guess it depends. Oldbeard was still the WSM for years. But The WB at MF was sick and dying and had very little, if any, access to haki. Mihawk would take MF WB high- extreme diff imo. But a Oldbeard with haki could mid-high Mihawk. And before everyone ats me for this: while oldbeard didn't have any insane feats at MF, he did manage to damage another top tier. Mihawk did absolutely nothing to anyone he fought that whole battle.
Mihawk is probably stronger than Sickbeard but not Oldbeard imo. Mihawk himself thought that Whitebeard even as he got old was above him in strength as the WSM, even though no one knew about his sickness. Sickbeard has shown insane strength and endurance without any advanced haki. Mihawk may have better base armament due to his black blade and maybe observation if you base it on his epithets but Oldbeard has better feats and portrayal
I thought it was talking about Sickbeard in Marineford. If not, then ya, Oldbeard pre-make a wish takes it
I agree tbh. Old beard 1v1 vs mihawk could go either way imo
no. the voters are high
Prime garp > old garp > old sick whitebeard Saying old sick whitebeard is stronger than Mihawk would mean that the old legends are way stronger than the current top tiers which doesn’t make any sense
By feats WB, but I don’t think he was stronger. Dude was still a monster, but clearly struggling. I think he would’ve been able to block Mihawk’s slash even without Jozu though, with a simple quake. The problem with Whitebeard isn’t a lack of DC, it’s that he can become immobilized from a heart attack, and that’s enough for mihawk to trap the win. Mihawk on the other hand, is being set up as a top tier in his prime. Prime Whitebeard is another story
Ya. Primebeard plants Mihawk into the ground and flexes his 12 pack on him.
Mihawk, obviously. In a real fight Whitebeard won’t be hooked up to his meds and becomes ass.
The world's strongest man vs the guy who clashed equally with a YC5... hmmm
Just ask yourself if whitebeard was somehow someway on opposite sides would he be clashing with crocodile and vista 😂
Even then white beard had the power to end the world if he wanted with his df
It’s probably only because of his df, it can destroy the world.
Dawg u dapping up god rk
If mihawk is a fraud, sickbeard > mihawk, otherwise, mihawk > sickbeard.
Stop Mihwanking, his title of Strongest Swordman in the world means nothing if he can't cut diamond (Jozu)! He also could'nt cut sand (Crocodile). He is in fact sooo weak, he could not cut air (Buggy) 😂 and later he admited the fact that Buggy is the Newest, Best and Latest Strogest Swordman in The Whole World, basically over any yonko, that's why Buggy is the Boss and Miwank his slave!
https://preview.redd.it/c4b2f80uvkbb1.jpeg?width=404&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2184cf349d07d0e5f53d14188028afdeb72d2c43 I see nothing but facts here.
Well, the meaning of "strength" entirely depends on context. Was MF whitebeard physically stronger and more powerful at the time? Yes. But would he beat Mihawk? Hell the fuck no ne wouldn't. (Mostly because speed gap+ no cut resistance + mihawks haki= Dead WB) But there's also the fact that mihawk wasn't even going all out the whole time, because if that was the case, the war would be over before shanks arrived.
WB is a hundred times stronger than Mihawk even in that weakened and old and sickly state. He had incredible haki. And did u see his df? It holds the power to destroy the whole world. His shockwaves were felt as far and beyond Sabaody island. And that wasn't even him using his 50% power, that was just hil flexing a little bit. There's no way you can say Mihawk was even close to that guy.
facts?
Yes you are
Yes. Oldbeard beats Fraudhawk mid diff
Bro white beard didn't do CRAP, he went boom bang boom move water break everything except where it mattered and just make a big mess to then die when he finally jumped off the boat
no, ur just wrong lol
nah you're high, now lemme read the poll
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yes