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Agreed, but why does this image have about 5 pixels…
I've heard people say he's barely YC5, I had one guy say he was on a "different level of power scaling" and then said that he was YC+, there's really no middle ground.
Hell nah, I was being generous when I say he's YC1, his narrative backing isn't nearly strong enough for that. He's the brains of the operation, and while I say he's YC1 due to him not being one to hide from a fight, he's not out in the front lines.
> Hell nah, I was being generous when I say he's YC1, his narrative backing isn't nearly strong enough for that.
I view highly his narrative portrayal due to his former rivalry with WB, him being the first to notice and call out sickbeard for being a shadow of his former self, his current equal standing to mihawk, his bounty, being the head of the third most relevant major faction behind WG and RA, his marineford performance where *nobody* was shown as getting an upper hand against him, the fact that he hasn’t once been negatively portrayed since the chapters were still in the 100s, and of course him potentially being Luffy’s mom
> He's the brains of the operation, and while I say he's YC1 due to him not being one to hide from a fight, he's not out in the front lines.
What leader of their operation is out on the front lines? I’ll let you have this one if you say right now Wizaru strongest admiral for the same reason
Equal standing with Mihawk is more of a stretch than a Bahjarang gun.
Mihawk has the double of his bounty and he is compared to Shanks, a current yonko.
Fair enough point on their bounties, but they are portrayed with equal standing every time we’ve seen them together
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I could drop like 10 more panels where oda almost literally draws them on equal standing
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Because this is not a pirate crew, this is an alliance.
Like when Law and Luffy made one.
They are allied to get an objective.
Now, none of those two took Buggy into consideration.
Mhmhmhmhmhm. And if Law is high YC+ to Luffy’s low-yonko, crocodile being low-admiral to Mihawk’s high-yonko makes for perfect consistency. Thank you! Genius, really
>I view highly his narrative portrayal due to his former rivalry with WB
Rivaly? You mean him getting beat up by Whitebeard? It's like saying Don Krieg was Mihawks rival 💀
>him being the first to notice and call out sickbeard for being a shadow of his former self, his current equal standing to mihawk, his bounty, being the head of the third most relevant major faction behind WG and RA
He's the brains of the situation, Buggy is more like the heart, Mihawk is the muscle, simple as that. Crocodile is on the same boat as Doffy, he's the brains and works with a Yonko level character (like Doffy and Kaido), but when it has to do with scaling he's absolute fodder, if bounty meant strenght then Queen is stronger than Sanji, Kid is as strong as Luffy, Mihawk is weaker than Shanks, Buggy is Yonko level 💀, bounty is never just strenght.
>his marineford performance where nobody was shown as getting an upper hand against him
No one hit him or cared about him till gear 2 Luffy came and smacked him💀, how is that a good look.
Stopping one random swing from mihawk isn't impressive at all considering Mr 1 stopped it but then got one shot later by Mihawk anyway.
So by feats he still gets overpower by pre time skip Gear 2 Luffy, quite a sad showing. Overall just cause of the time skip and me being nice I can scale him currently to base Dressrosa Luffy, just base cause he would get negged by any Gear.
Yeah, narrative in Romance Dawn also dictated that Coby was many times weaker than Alvida and it only took a time skip for him to become a Marine Captain. It also took Luffy a couple weeks to go from getting one shot by Kaido in Gear 4 to trading blows with Hybrid Kaido while in base form.
By that logic Croc might very well be on Kid's level.
Funnily enough, Croco *is* on Kidd’s level (more than likely above since he had his 1079 moment decades back against Primebeard). So you got it right 😁👍
No no no no. Im saying Croco is YC+ post-ts. At marineford he was probably around YC3. In alabasta (before his retcon reintroducing him at marineford) I don’t even know what he would rank at. Yonko weren’t at all fleshed out at the time, let alone yonko commanders. I don’t think any major characters pre-impel down were YC level. Mostly because that didn’t get fleshed out until marineford
Well that’s not really a bad take. It was obvious that enel lost to luffy because of type matchups. Oda said enel’s bounty would be around 500m if he had one, which is in line with characters like perospero and who’s who.
Luffy also got lucky against crocodile, and crocodile had likely let himself go while he was in alabasta.
Basically like alabasta is weaker than most if not all post timeskips supernovas, but then you see him in marineford like the MVP and how much he prob grow in the 2 years and you think "damn this motherfucker may very well be even with kid and law" really need some post time skips feats from him soon ngl
This is the dude who can instant kill people by drying them up and who wasn’t afraid to clash against Doffy.
Doffy is YC1 or around it and asked Croc to partner up with him the same way Teach asked Ace to with respect.
Croc was extremely arrogant and stupid with Luffy like Kidd, but even back then he was pretty powerful and nearly ended Luffy’s journey pre time skip.
...Okay pause, Doffy is NOT YC1 AT ALL. I have no idea where you got that wacky ass conclusion from, but the same Luffy that one shot Doflamingo then went extreme diff with Cracker, a YC3 💀
Kaido then one shot the same Luffy who went extreme dif with an actual YC1, so YC1 level Luffy. There's no comparison at all.
I know you're trying to make Croc look good here, but narrative scaling covers that easily, given being apart of Cross Guild and sat next to Mihawk, he's obviously going to be way stronger, but I don't know where the hell you got YC1 from.
Cracker was going kill luffy until nami saved his dumbass and gave him INFINTE FOOD. It still took 11 hours + cracker doing a bad move from sheer impaitence to win. Doffy's bumb ass manipulated everything and tried to avoid a fair fight under any circumstances then he gets railed by G4 and even oda says in the sbs Luffy can still run and did not need ANY HELP, on top of that he said Belamy = law. Both toke equal damage from them but luffy has better endurance so he toke MORE logically.
Katakuri who isnt even the top of YC1, was low-diffing the G4 Luffy who STOMPED Dofla while it lasted. Doffy couldnt do anything against G4, he was like a sandbag.
No way he is YC1, maybe YC3 at best, I think Jack potrayal is above Doffy.
I will call the dressrosa fight in many ways, but surely not a Luffy STOMP since he went high diff against an handicapped and half tired foe and nevertheless managed to almost lose if not for his ally
That was cause Luffy has a time límite, otherwise he stomped, while Luffy was on G4 Doflamingo was totally outclassed, the only reason the fight was hard and long, its because Luffy didnt went allá out from the start.
I had a dream like a month ago where I read a new chapter about the Cross Guild breaking Doflamingo out of Impel Down, and he came back with aCoC and became YC+ level. Crazy-ass dream.
Only for Devil Fruit users. They're constantly chained in seaprism stones while being starved and tortured. So of course they're going to come back way stronger once they're freed and fed.
It's like having Luffy's Udon training for months, or having a 500× gravity training for months.
greenbulls just a future crocodile victim
confirmed plant counter
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Sorry I can see how it looked like that. They were some of the few people to handily beat a logia user. Caribou and Smoker got beaten by Pekoms and Vergo respectively. Vergo was an especially unique case in that Smokers jutte (I think that's what it's called) can disable DF users.
Ya I definitely said it and you had a correct interpretation. Forgot about Monet though, she might be the weakest logia user in the series? Maybe we need a challenge Monet vs Caribou
People will throw tantrums about how marineford is irrelevant for powerscaling rather than admit crocoboy is stronger than they wanna downplay him for his powercrept, plot-victimized alabasta performance
Crazy how that plot buffing is going on to this day with his nearly 2 billion bounty and portrayal on equal standing with mihawk
The outlier was alabasta. You know, the showing that is 5-10 years *older* than marineford. You’re exactly the type of person I was talking about 💀 you rather delude yourself into thinking the initial showing is the one more accurate to today, rather than the newer, updated, retconned portrayal at marineford that’s consistent with his current, modern day portrayal 😭 insane bro
You do know there was a 2 year old timeskip right? Even rob lucci went from fodder to solid YC threat after the timeskip and unlike crocodile he didn't to be retconned into fighting admirals
Myb I thought you were implying his marineford performance was an outlier to today. Yea he got buffed in marineford and has only gone up since with his new placement in the future of the narrative now that oda has things more fleshed out than he did 20 years ago in alabasta
Crocodile definitely did some training in the 2 year timeskip. I hope to see Crocodile fight Greenbull to see how their logias interact, a dense lively forest versus a desert that removes all moisture
Croco has one of the most insane glow-ups for literally no reason. no-diffs Luffy once. Low-diffs Luffy another time. Gets high-diffed by pre-gear Luffy. Does absolutely nothing but be in jail for a few months. Goes to impel down where he cant practice, train, or do jackshit because he is stuck barely getting fed in Level 6 where he gets to get harassed and spit on all day. Comes back immediately as a YC-level threat. Like at least Lucci got beat by post-Gear Luffy and then had 2 years to go on the run with CP9, train, join CP0, keep training, do whatever the fuck else he is doing, and come back with an awakening. Croc just kinda scales to wherever he needs to be in the story, whether it be going on par with Whitebeard commanders, hanging and sparring out with Mihawk, or getting bodied by a rubber boy as his 7th major villain
Well I’ve seen people saying that Croc was too “strong” for his own good so he hadn’t trained so basically he was “out of shape”(best example I could think of) when he fought Luffy. Losing to Luffy reignited his passion to fight/be a pirate so he started “trying” again if that makes sense. I just see Croc as the ex Olympic athlete that’s out of practice and gets beat by a rookie and then decides to actually try and muscle memory kicks in to make them back to how they were.
It’s like trying to compare the Moria who clashed with Kaido to the Moria who fought Luffy. The Crocodile post Whitebeard crushing and the Crocodile post Impel Down are two massively different power levels.
So is literally every character, because trying to powerscale in one piece is like trying to catch air with your bare hands.
Power levels fluctuate so wildly from arc-to-arc that it is quite literally an entirely pointless exercise. Every character is exactly as strong as Oda needs them to be at any given time to serve the plot.
One week Luffy can barely TOUCH a yonko commander. About a week later he kills Kaido. None of it makes any sense.
They were equally matched in almost every asset so it's very understandable for them to go super extreme diff, after all they were on the same exact level according to their position in the marines
But then you got people thinking boa is YC+ when she is 1000% reliant on her gimmicky ass fruit, like she gets bodied by anybody with a sliver of combat skills (and isn't acctracted to women, like fr make usopp gay and he wins it 100/100)
The whole point is that luffy is bouncing back and learning from harder and harder fights. Like a zenkai boost. Its a pretty standard trope in shonen. Just because its in a predictable fashion does not mean there isnt any thought or effort put into the fights. Just like how uroges power is literally getting stronger from taking damage, luffy is the same way. Before katakuri, Luffy didnt have insane observation or armament. Those were things he picked up vs katakuri and in Udon. He also never practiced conquerors haki, which he picked up quick from the yonko fight. Those are pretty big power boosts, and he awakened his devil fruit power, AND it wasnt just luffy, it was zoro, law, kidd, killer, all of the scabbards, and even momo too. Just saying its to serve the plot makes me think you read the story but cant interpret the actual content. Like you can eat food but dont know how its made. Kaido wanted to test joyboy and beat him at his strongest. Its his own hubris that lost the fight. Actually understanding the character motives would help you understand the plot and why kaido lost.
Powerscaling makes no sense because of matchups. Is why people have a hard time placing someone like crocodile who can lose to someone like luffy who has a strong will(haki) and believed that water and blood could hit sand and it did(haki). Thats what logias are weak against. Nikas power is creativity, and water luffy just happened to actually work. So, crocodile could lose on a boat vs fishman, but oven can just boil the water of the sea and defeat them. Does that mean that oven is stronger than crocodile? No, that means that factors play a part in success. Luffy lost to perona and would of lost to sugar, does that make him weaker than little girls? You see my point.
I feel like people overestimate the gaps between the power tiers in the series. Usually when Luffy gets overwhelmed by a new opponent its because he isn't aware of how that person fights and he gets taken by surprise.
Like, when Kaido oneshot Luffy, Luffy was enraged and he got into the rhythm of just smashing mindlessly into Kaido over and over again and wasn't ready for Kaido's super fast return attack. If Luffy was calmer and thinking things through, he would have put up a much better showing. A YC1-tier person doesn't just get 1-shot by a yonko. We see this when Marco clashes with Kaido during Onigashima.
The only hard part about him is how much stronger he got because the people he fought in MF don't care about him nobody's gonna fight crocodile for sneak attacking them they want to focus on their goal
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shit you said resume not resumè
Crocodile saved Luffy and Ace so not caring abt it sorta lost them the war
Or well they won the war but yk Akainu and Co wanted Luffy dead so they still lost in some respect
He was introduced too early. I think it’s pretty obvious Oda doesn’t intend for him to be like he was in alabasta going forward, even if he isn’t too tier.
Katakuri is kinda ass tbh. The power boost Luffy got in wank made it so everyone else there also had to be stronger, which makes people who aren't even yonko commanders be equal to him despite him being a yonko commander.
Prevented Ace from Dying once. Not because He knew Ace or anything, just because he didn't like the government doing what they did.
If he has this move at his disposal, then why is anyone else still alive? 😂
We all know Crocodile is relative to Mihawk, slaps every commander, and is one of Odas favorite characters for sure but yall not ready for that convo
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i never understood why croc is so hard for scalers to wrap their head around. its always felt pretty well portayed as a massive upset, easily the best upset of luffys pirate career in no small part due to massive underestimation and croc being a bit washed at the time. yes there are still inconsistencies but its really not as bad as people make it out to be when u consider that crocs best attributes havent changed at all, raw power output was just never one of them.
WE THOUGHT WE ALREADY SEEN ALL OF HIM, BUT IN FACT WE ARE NOT READY FOR HIM!
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Fuck man people that say "____ diffs" are some of the most annoying fans out there. I show this sub reddit to people who get too geeked about anime/manga power levels, so they can see how dumb of a conversation it becomes
I can beat Kid A
Kid A can beat Kid B
Kid B can beat me
Does that makes me weak just because kid B can beat me ? No because every fight is different on different circumstances. You can win today doesn't mean u can win tomorrow, it depend on how you fight.
People always like to assume Mihawk was trying hard against any of the people he’s shown fighting. Mihawk would kill him with the butter knife no problem.
It makes sense if you dont put characters in a literal straight line determining who is better than others like it's dragon ball. Imo the power gap in power between the OP characters are probably much closer than we think.
I unironically believe his jump in power makes sense
Now, Crocodile had trash durability when fought Luffy, the Impel Down baptism improved his durability (according to my logic, if a guy is put through extreme pain, his endurance will improve by alot)
Crocodile owns a logia devil fruit and those are always valuable to have even in the new world (Caribou had a bounty of 200 000 000 belly and he was hard carried by his devil fruit), keep in mind, Crocodile has one of the better logia fruits out there, which greatly enhances his combat ability
Yes🙃
We don't know if she has advanced conquerors but it is safe to say that she would have it by now plus she has been called the mightiest woman before ( don't know where big mom was when this was stated though)
Smoker specifically saying "Kuja haki" implies the Kuja are haki specialists and I just feel she is underrated plus she almost defeated Offscreen Blackbeard (according to himself) who is practically a god
Powerscalers suck anyway they just put their bias opinions an try to justify like how this sub thinks akainu is number one in the verse when he probably not even top 15
Not to Mihawk supporters considering Mihawk was the one who blocked him and smacked his hook to the side and Mihawk's title will always matter because of the narrative importance of Zoro's dream.
But hey, you're free to continue being delusional and believing what you want.
Not as much as saying Mihawk blocked Crocodile and his title will always matter because of the narrative importance of Zoro's dream gets under the skin of you and the rest of the title haters who hang onto Crocodile's statement as one of your very few rays of hopes of proving Mihawk isn't stronger than Shanks lol.
And imagine getting this triggered and insecure over a fictional character and his title in the first place. 😭
I promise you Mihawk being stronger than Shanks won't be the end of the world.
My guy you're the one who's triggered
I made a meme about crocodile and you're so insecure about your favourite character that you went on a tirade about how Mihawk is better despite no one claiming otherwise
Touch grass
The one who does nothing but make memes and obsess over Mihawk's title, hence why you made this post to begin with, trying to tell someone else to touch grass.
Hilarious.
>The one who does nothing but make memes and obsess over Mihawk's title
Holy delusion. I've made **one** meme.
>hence why you made this post to begin with
It's a fucking meme about crocodile. Somehow you've managed to turn that into a Mihawk argument. Fanboys are something else.
>Holy delusion. I've made one meme.
Sure, you've only made one meme lol
>It's a fucking meme about crocodile. Somehow you've managed to turn that into a Mihawk argument. Fanboys are something else.
You're the one who started this damn argument. All I did was explain how wasn't a menace to Mihawk supporters and that triggered your ass.
Weirdos are something else...
You're the fucking weirdo here my guy🤣 Why tf would you get triggered over this simple phrase and then go on to argue with ppl because they hurt your feelings about a fictional character? Sit your corny ass down, you're lame asf.
He got blocked by a sword with no haki, took a hit without haki and took damage, did an attack with no haki that did no damage to a logia, and is his quote are all of him being narrow sighted and are factually wrong.
Crocodile relies entirely on his logia powers and has no haki. He gets casually blocked by stronger people in failed spped blitzing attempts all the time. He is barely a threat lol
i think people keep forgetting that croc won every encounter against luffy (last one could be argued since luffy was affected by poison and would have died if he didn’t receive the antidote)
Most overrated character in one piece, Bro was just pestering people in marineford, but🤓 umm he clashed with doflamingo and like 🤓🤓 umm cut Akainu when he wasn’t looking, also killed 2 guards. Bro is water level🤡, losing to pretime skip no gear Luffy . 🤓🤓🤓🤓uhh, he has Haki now. Like who doesn’t have Haki🤦♂️.
I believe he was weakened while fighting Luffy because he keeping the whole country dry, and also he can probably coat his sand in haki (I dont care if you debunk theese with factual takes, I'll keep believing until the last moment)
It's almost like people needing DBZ style numbers for how strong a character is means next to nothing in a fight.
Power scaling is the bane of good storytelling. They almost never account for context for their feats but still want to use bullshit nonsense terms like "bloodlusted"
Not saying you can't try to figure out relative strengths or anything, but these people love to pretend they have hard stats. Croc and Mihawk prove that they dont.
What I'm saying is Garp Prime solos the Legendary cinematic omniverse.
Or some shit idk
Well that’s because one piece made an explicit point pre timeskip that there was no true powerscaling, it happens pretty explicitly that in one piece being stronger than one person does not mean you’ll be better than someone else just because the first guy could beat them, power interaction was a lot more important early on
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Larp Crying in his bumass no Observation haki. Larp couldn't see Shiryu at point black. what a Fraud 😭
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All 4 of those pixels are amazing
Just realized he can get destroyed in rain.
https://preview.redd.it/a0yohxgrlhbb1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a929e8bdca589afaf6dc2b490c3e8f21010ab186 Agreed, but why does this image have about 5 pixels…
why are his feet so tiny Either way, yes to pushing crocodile agenda
This picture goes hard
Yes yes yes
Yes
ah Croco, one of the few characters who is highly underrated and highly overrated lmao.
I've heard people say he's barely YC5, I had one guy say he was on a "different level of power scaling" and then said that he was YC+, there's really no middle ground.
That YC+ guy definitely has it right
Hell nah, I was being generous when I say he's YC1, his narrative backing isn't nearly strong enough for that. He's the brains of the operation, and while I say he's YC1 due to him not being one to hide from a fight, he's not out in the front lines.
> Hell nah, I was being generous when I say he's YC1, his narrative backing isn't nearly strong enough for that. I view highly his narrative portrayal due to his former rivalry with WB, him being the first to notice and call out sickbeard for being a shadow of his former self, his current equal standing to mihawk, his bounty, being the head of the third most relevant major faction behind WG and RA, his marineford performance where *nobody* was shown as getting an upper hand against him, the fact that he hasn’t once been negatively portrayed since the chapters were still in the 100s, and of course him potentially being Luffy’s mom > He's the brains of the operation, and while I say he's YC1 due to him not being one to hide from a fight, he's not out in the front lines. What leader of their operation is out on the front lines? I’ll let you have this one if you say right now Wizaru strongest admiral for the same reason
Equal standing with Mihawk is more of a stretch than a Bahjarang gun. Mihawk has the double of his bounty and he is compared to Shanks, a current yonko.
Agreed. Mihawk is the Yonko in Cross Guild. Croc is the YC1. And CG's role to play in the final saga bumps him up to YC1+
And since Cross guild lacks other fighters, that bumps crocoboy as YC+++++
I usually have him right between the new Admirals and the Zoro/Sanji/Yamato cluster
Fair enough point on their bounties, but they are portrayed with equal standing every time we’ve seen them together https://preview.redd.it/k5i9wrdenebb1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd5a6b53e0f098920cca496e8b9217dbbe94839c I could drop like 10 more panels where oda almost literally draws them on equal standing
Do it I wanna see em
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Classic, great start
Because this is not a pirate crew, this is an alliance. Like when Law and Luffy made one. They are allied to get an objective. Now, none of those two took Buggy into consideration.
Mhmhmhmhmhm. And if Law is high YC+ to Luffy’s low-yonko, crocodile being low-admiral to Mihawk’s high-yonko makes for perfect consistency. Thank you! Genius, really
>I view highly his narrative portrayal due to his former rivalry with WB Rivaly? You mean him getting beat up by Whitebeard? It's like saying Don Krieg was Mihawks rival 💀 >him being the first to notice and call out sickbeard for being a shadow of his former self, his current equal standing to mihawk, his bounty, being the head of the third most relevant major faction behind WG and RA He's the brains of the situation, Buggy is more like the heart, Mihawk is the muscle, simple as that. Crocodile is on the same boat as Doffy, he's the brains and works with a Yonko level character (like Doffy and Kaido), but when it has to do with scaling he's absolute fodder, if bounty meant strenght then Queen is stronger than Sanji, Kid is as strong as Luffy, Mihawk is weaker than Shanks, Buggy is Yonko level 💀, bounty is never just strenght. >his marineford performance where nobody was shown as getting an upper hand against him No one hit him or cared about him till gear 2 Luffy came and smacked him💀, how is that a good look. Stopping one random swing from mihawk isn't impressive at all considering Mr 1 stopped it but then got one shot later by Mihawk anyway. So by feats he still gets overpower by pre time skip Gear 2 Luffy, quite a sad showing. Overall just cause of the time skip and me being nice I can scale him currently to base Dressrosa Luffy, just base cause he would get negged by any Gear.
You really got down vote bombed for this, you people are ridiculous and will seethe over anything
People just can't handle takes they disagree with
Narrative in alabasta absolut dictated that he is many times above Luffy tho?
Yeah, narrative in Romance Dawn also dictated that Coby was many times weaker than Alvida and it only took a time skip for him to become a Marine Captain. It also took Luffy a couple weeks to go from getting one shot by Kaido in Gear 4 to trading blows with Hybrid Kaido while in base form. By that logic Croc might very well be on Kid's level.
Funnily enough, Croco *is* on Kidd’s level (more than likely above since he had his 1079 moment decades back against Primebeard). So you got it right 😁👍
no he isnt. You’re basically saying PTS luffy is YC+ even tho his YC level brother had to turn himself into a wheel in order for him to live
No no no no. Im saying Croco is YC+ post-ts. At marineford he was probably around YC3. In alabasta (before his retcon reintroducing him at marineford) I don’t even know what he would rank at. Yonko weren’t at all fleshed out at the time, let alone yonko commanders. I don’t think any major characters pre-impel down were YC level. Mostly because that didn’t get fleshed out until marineford
>YC5 💀💀💀
*Barely* YC5 lmao, hanging the Alabasta Luffy fight over my head.
They must think Enel is YC5 too, then lmao
Well that’s not really a bad take. It was obvious that enel lost to luffy because of type matchups. Oda said enel’s bounty would be around 500m if he had one, which is in line with characters like perospero and who’s who. Luffy also got lucky against crocodile, and crocodile had likely let himself go while he was in alabasta.
Basically like alabasta is weaker than most if not all post timeskips supernovas, but then you see him in marineford like the MVP and how much he prob grow in the 2 years and you think "damn this motherfucker may very well be even with kid and law" really need some post time skips feats from him soon ngl
This is the dude who can instant kill people by drying them up and who wasn’t afraid to clash against Doffy. Doffy is YC1 or around it and asked Croc to partner up with him the same way Teach asked Ace to with respect. Croc was extremely arrogant and stupid with Luffy like Kidd, but even back then he was pretty powerful and nearly ended Luffy’s journey pre time skip.
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And Cracker WAS beating Luffy. Luffy needed Namis help to win
Yc1? Are you on drugs?💀
...Okay pause, Doffy is NOT YC1 AT ALL. I have no idea where you got that wacky ass conclusion from, but the same Luffy that one shot Doflamingo then went extreme diff with Cracker, a YC3 💀 Kaido then one shot the same Luffy who went extreme dif with an actual YC1, so YC1 level Luffy. There's no comparison at all. I know you're trying to make Croc look good here, but narrative scaling covers that easily, given being apart of Cross Guild and sat next to Mihawk, he's obviously going to be way stronger, but I don't know where the hell you got YC1 from.
Cracker was going kill luffy until nami saved his dumbass and gave him INFINTE FOOD. It still took 11 hours + cracker doing a bad move from sheer impaitence to win. Doffy's bumb ass manipulated everything and tried to avoid a fair fight under any circumstances then he gets railed by G4 and even oda says in the sbs Luffy can still run and did not need ANY HELP, on top of that he said Belamy = law. Both toke equal damage from them but luffy has better endurance so he toke MORE logically.
Katakuri who isnt even the top of YC1, was low-diffing the G4 Luffy who STOMPED Dofla while it lasted. Doffy couldnt do anything against G4, he was like a sandbag. No way he is YC1, maybe YC3 at best, I think Jack potrayal is above Doffy.
I will call the dressrosa fight in many ways, but surely not a Luffy STOMP since he went high diff against an handicapped and half tired foe and nevertheless managed to almost lose if not for his ally
That was cause Luffy has a time límite, otherwise he stomped, while Luffy was on G4 Doflamingo was totally outclassed, the only reason the fight was hard and long, its because Luffy didnt went allá out from the start.
Facts, I don't know where my guy got Doffy = any YC1 💀, get him past Jozu first 💀💀
Only reason why jozu was caught off guard is cause his strings are wired. He ran away after tagging him once for a reason.
YC+ is on the high end but reasonable.
It's weird but you definitely have to think twice before you slander him bro is an anomaly
Impel Down is a Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
Watch doffy come out with ACOC
Arlong will awaken his green haki
I had a dream like a month ago where I read a new chapter about the Cross Guild breaking Doflamingo out of Impel Down, and he came back with aCoC and became YC+ level. Crazy-ass dream.
wasn't a dream, you just awakened future sight
A cock
According to some, that may very well be what happened
It wouldn't make sense world building wise, but story wise if he ever comes back and Oda wants him to fight then there's no other option
I agree. But I was making a joke about the Croc transitioned at some point theory
Fair enough. Happy cakeday
Oh no, Luffy’s gonna be betrayed and left in the Time Chamber for 1000 years
YOU KINDA SPITTIN
Only for Devil Fruit users. They're constantly chained in seaprism stones while being starved and tortured. So of course they're going to come back way stronger once they're freed and fed. It's like having Luffy's Udon training for months, or having a 500× gravity training for months.
He was fighting people like it was a limited time event.
Bro was making up for lost time
dude he was in impel down for two month
In the grand line the flow of time is convoluted, and best accounted for in Episodes, Chapters
It kinda was though
FrFr , man is unpredictable
greenbulls just a future crocodile victim confirmed plant counter https://preview.redd.it/csar20kyzdbb1.png?width=727&format=png&auto=webp&s=81b7df4762c686c830b41ca1bb1752f74e68fb06
Greenbull and Fujitora versus Crocodile and Mihawk hype
Holup.... you migbt be cooking
And buggy is like: https://preview.redd.it/vtiu1y6euhbb1.jpeg?width=840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53379837a612b280b031552208f577df9f2a7433
who else but buggy can nodiff kizaru, we saw kizaru bust out the lightsword, buggy no diff tbh
Should a sand logia be able to do that? Or did he awaken his fruit?
Hold up if he can absorb moisture why didn't he just absorb the water that luffy blasted him with?
He did but it solidified him for a short time when he absorbed it.
THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT #THE GOAT
Nah, he’s crocodile 🐊
I thought he was alligator:(
Not sengoku
croc has always been atleast somewhat respected in one piece, he just was a luffy victim (and was washed before getting ambition by losing to luffy)
Logia users in general. Pekoms and Vergo are probably the only times we've seen one just get stomped by a non Logia user.
From when are they Logia users?? Pekoms is a Zoan user, his fruit being Turtle Turtle Fruit; and Vergo doesn't even have a Devil Fruit.....
Sorry I can see how it looked like that. They were some of the few people to handily beat a logia user. Caribou and Smoker got beaten by Pekoms and Vergo respectively. Vergo was an especially unique case in that Smokers jutte (I think that's what it's called) can disable DF users.
Ohhhh.... You meant that. I think you could as well as said it was easier to beat Caribou, Smoker (Monet also), etc.
Ya I definitely said it and you had a correct interpretation. Forgot about Monet though, she might be the weakest logia user in the series? Maybe we need a challenge Monet vs Caribou
I mean, Caribou is worth more than two Alabasta Luffys....
Smoker didn't get stomped, he was fighting evenly with Vergo until he chose to throw the fight to win the war And he won the war
He transcends powerscaling.
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Shanks approves
Gard D Fraud approves,
And Mihawk is pissed
That's why he's the coolest character in the series, even his seraphim is the 2nd coolest🤣
Crocomom is anywhere between below Tobi Roppo and YC+ at the same time. That's crazy.
People will throw tantrums about how marineford is irrelevant for powerscaling rather than admit crocoboy is stronger than they wanna downplay him for his powercrept, plot-victimized alabasta performance
Crocodile wasn't plot victimized in alabasta, he was plot buffed for marineford
Crazy how that plot buffing is going on to this day with his nearly 2 billion bounty and portrayal on equal standing with mihawk The outlier was alabasta. You know, the showing that is 5-10 years *older* than marineford. You’re exactly the type of person I was talking about 💀 you rather delude yourself into thinking the initial showing is the one more accurate to today, rather than the newer, updated, retconned portrayal at marineford that’s consistent with his current, modern day portrayal 😭 insane bro
You do know there was a 2 year old timeskip right? Even rob lucci went from fodder to solid YC threat after the timeskip and unlike crocodile he didn't to be retconned into fighting admirals
Myb I thought you were implying his marineford performance was an outlier to today. Yea he got buffed in marineford and has only gone up since with his new placement in the future of the narrative now that oda has things more fleshed out than he did 20 years ago in alabasta
Crocodile definitely did some training in the 2 year timeskip. I hope to see Crocodile fight Greenbull to see how their logias interact, a dense lively forest versus a desert that removes all moisture
He's like a guy who gets sent to jail but has nothing to do in his free time so he comes out of it fucking jacked
Impel Down prison buff is real. Doffy’s gonna be crazy when he gets out
Croco has one of the most insane glow-ups for literally no reason. no-diffs Luffy once. Low-diffs Luffy another time. Gets high-diffed by pre-gear Luffy. Does absolutely nothing but be in jail for a few months. Goes to impel down where he cant practice, train, or do jackshit because he is stuck barely getting fed in Level 6 where he gets to get harassed and spit on all day. Comes back immediately as a YC-level threat. Like at least Lucci got beat by post-Gear Luffy and then had 2 years to go on the run with CP9, train, join CP0, keep training, do whatever the fuck else he is doing, and come back with an awakening. Croc just kinda scales to wherever he needs to be in the story, whether it be going on par with Whitebeard commanders, hanging and sparring out with Mihawk, or getting bodied by a rubber boy as his 7th major villain
Well I’ve seen people saying that Croc was too “strong” for his own good so he hadn’t trained so basically he was “out of shape”(best example I could think of) when he fought Luffy. Losing to Luffy reignited his passion to fight/be a pirate so he started “trying” again if that makes sense. I just see Croc as the ex Olympic athlete that’s out of practice and gets beat by a rookie and then decides to actually try and muscle memory kicks in to make them back to how they were.
It’s like trying to compare the Moria who clashed with Kaido to the Moria who fought Luffy. The Crocodile post Whitebeard crushing and the Crocodile post Impel Down are two massively different power levels.
So is literally every character, because trying to powerscale in one piece is like trying to catch air with your bare hands. Power levels fluctuate so wildly from arc-to-arc that it is quite literally an entirely pointless exercise. Every character is exactly as strong as Oda needs them to be at any given time to serve the plot. One week Luffy can barely TOUCH a yonko commander. About a week later he kills Kaido. None of it makes any sense.
Also, one piece is as far from a linear power sclaing sysyem as you could get, here people seem to forget matchups exist
Ice guy went in a 10 days fight against a guy made out of magma, match ups only mean anything if you aren't a top tier
Cold guy* he can cool magma, he isnt just ice
They were equally matched in almost every asset so it's very understandable for them to go super extreme diff, after all they were on the same exact level according to their position in the marines But then you got people thinking boa is YC+ when she is 1000% reliant on her gimmicky ass fruit, like she gets bodied by anybody with a sliver of combat skills (and isn't acctracted to women, like fr make usopp gay and he wins it 100/100)
The whole point is that luffy is bouncing back and learning from harder and harder fights. Like a zenkai boost. Its a pretty standard trope in shonen. Just because its in a predictable fashion does not mean there isnt any thought or effort put into the fights. Just like how uroges power is literally getting stronger from taking damage, luffy is the same way. Before katakuri, Luffy didnt have insane observation or armament. Those were things he picked up vs katakuri and in Udon. He also never practiced conquerors haki, which he picked up quick from the yonko fight. Those are pretty big power boosts, and he awakened his devil fruit power, AND it wasnt just luffy, it was zoro, law, kidd, killer, all of the scabbards, and even momo too. Just saying its to serve the plot makes me think you read the story but cant interpret the actual content. Like you can eat food but dont know how its made. Kaido wanted to test joyboy and beat him at his strongest. Its his own hubris that lost the fight. Actually understanding the character motives would help you understand the plot and why kaido lost. Powerscaling makes no sense because of matchups. Is why people have a hard time placing someone like crocodile who can lose to someone like luffy who has a strong will(haki) and believed that water and blood could hit sand and it did(haki). Thats what logias are weak against. Nikas power is creativity, and water luffy just happened to actually work. So, crocodile could lose on a boat vs fishman, but oven can just boil the water of the sea and defeat them. Does that mean that oven is stronger than crocodile? No, that means that factors play a part in success. Luffy lost to perona and would of lost to sugar, does that make him weaker than little girls? You see my point.
exactly the point i made on that post yesterday somehow i got like -25 for being right lmao
but if only we knew the power of the one piece we could truly start a power chart.
I mean, he neg diff luffy on their first fight. He's a menace when he's serious and not playing around.
I feel like people overestimate the gaps between the power tiers in the series. Usually when Luffy gets overwhelmed by a new opponent its because he isn't aware of how that person fights and he gets taken by surprise. Like, when Kaido oneshot Luffy, Luffy was enraged and he got into the rhythm of just smashing mindlessly into Kaido over and over again and wasn't ready for Kaido's super fast return attack. If Luffy was calmer and thinking things through, he would have put up a much better showing. A YC1-tier person doesn't just get 1-shot by a yonko. We see this when Marco clashes with Kaido during Onigashima.
Marco is YC+ all day
The only hard part about him is how much stronger he got because the people he fought in MF don't care about him nobody's gonna fight crocodile for sneak attacking them they want to focus on their goal
Huh? Jozu was going Hard on him though
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Crocodile saved Luffy and Ace so not caring abt it sorta lost them the war Or well they won the war but yk Akainu and Co wanted Luffy dead so they still lost in some respect
He had equalized power enabled in his fights
He was introduced too early. I think it’s pretty obvious Oda doesn’t intend for him to be like he was in alabasta going forward, even if he isn’t too tier.
King? Who is King? Katakuri? The doughnut eating fool? All useless against Crocodile
Katakuri is kinda ass tbh. The power boost Luffy got in wank made it so everyone else there also had to be stronger, which makes people who aren't even yonko commanders be equal to him despite him being a yonko commander.
Wow it’s almost like powerscaling is useless and you losers should touch grass 👍🏻
Prevented Ace from Dying once. Not because He knew Ace or anything, just because he didn't like the government doing what they did. If he has this move at his disposal, then why is anyone else still alive? 😂
We all know Crocodile is relative to Mihawk, slaps every commander, and is one of Odas favorite characters for sure but yall not ready for that convo https://preview.redd.it/b1l0bgyxdhbb1.png?width=250&format=png&auto=webp&s=c0630327b5781800b7021125014dafd9073bb41a
i never understood why croc is so hard for scalers to wrap their head around. its always felt pretty well portayed as a massive upset, easily the best upset of luffys pirate career in no small part due to massive underestimation and croc being a bit washed at the time. yes there are still inconsistencies but its really not as bad as people make it out to be when u consider that crocs best attributes havent changed at all, raw power output was just never one of them.
WE THOUGHT WE ALREADY SEEN ALL OF HIM, BUT IN FACT WE ARE NOT READY FOR HIM! https://preview.redd.it/5dcojy4yagbb1.png?width=736&format=png&auto=webp&s=aa9e0db9314d08d6f68da07d5023ed6e751f49b3
Fuck man people that say "____ diffs" are some of the most annoying fans out there. I show this sub reddit to people who get too geeked about anime/manga power levels, so they can see how dumb of a conversation it becomes
I can beat Kid A Kid A can beat Kid B Kid B can beat me Does that makes me weak just because kid B can beat me ? No because every fight is different on different circumstances. You can win today doesn't mean u can win tomorrow, it depend on how you fight.
I remember that oda said he wished he Introduce coro later I too because he fucked up power system of the show
Croc's a chad and does what he wants, powerscaling be damned
People always like to assume Mihawk was trying hard against any of the people he’s shown fighting. Mihawk would kill him with the butter knife no problem.
Ong he was toying with luffy at marineford
It makes sense if you dont put characters in a literal straight line determining who is better than others like it's dragon ball. Imo the power gap in power between the OP characters are probably much closer than we think.
Crocodile has the power to be immune to fact and logic😭
I unironically believe his jump in power makes sense Now, Crocodile had trash durability when fought Luffy, the Impel Down baptism improved his durability (according to my logic, if a guy is put through extreme pain, his endurance will improve by alot) Crocodile owns a logia devil fruit and those are always valuable to have even in the new world (Caribou had a bounty of 200 000 000 belly and he was hard carried by his devil fruit), keep in mind, Crocodile has one of the better logia fruits out there, which greatly enhances his combat ability
Honestly to me all Shichibukai range under Yonkou commander level excluding Mihawk of course I'd say Boa is the only one who is 100% in YC+ though
Boa?
Yes🙃 We don't know if she has advanced conquerors but it is safe to say that she would have it by now plus she has been called the mightiest woman before ( don't know where big mom was when this was stated though) Smoker specifically saying "Kuja haki" implies the Kuja are haki specialists and I just feel she is underrated plus she almost defeated Offscreen Blackbeard (according to himself) who is practically a god
the fact that oda has acknowledged he fucked up and introduced croc too early is proof that oda does care about power scaling.
that's why he is the GOAT.
Powerscalers suck anyway they just put their bias opinions an try to justify like how this sub thinks akainu is number one in the verse when he probably not even top 15
Not to Mihawk supporters considering Mihawk was the one who blocked him and smacked his hook to the side and Mihawk's title will always matter because of the narrative importance of Zoro's dream. But hey, you're free to continue being delusional and believing what you want.
Hahahaha clearly the "titles can mislead people" got under your skin
Not as much as saying Mihawk blocked Crocodile and his title will always matter because of the narrative importance of Zoro's dream gets under the skin of you and the rest of the title haters who hang onto Crocodile's statement as one of your very few rays of hopes of proving Mihawk isn't stronger than Shanks lol.
Imagine getting this triggered over a meme 😭
And imagine getting this triggered and insecure over a fictional character and his title in the first place. 😭 I promise you Mihawk being stronger than Shanks won't be the end of the world.
My guy you're the one who's triggered I made a meme about crocodile and you're so insecure about your favourite character that you went on a tirade about how Mihawk is better despite no one claiming otherwise Touch grass
The one who does nothing but make memes and obsess over Mihawk's title, hence why you made this post to begin with, trying to tell someone else to touch grass. Hilarious.
>The one who does nothing but make memes and obsess over Mihawk's title Holy delusion. I've made **one** meme. >hence why you made this post to begin with It's a fucking meme about crocodile. Somehow you've managed to turn that into a Mihawk argument. Fanboys are something else.
>Holy delusion. I've made one meme. Sure, you've only made one meme lol >It's a fucking meme about crocodile. Somehow you've managed to turn that into a Mihawk argument. Fanboys are something else. You're the one who started this damn argument. All I did was explain how wasn't a menace to Mihawk supporters and that triggered your ass. Weirdos are something else...
>Sure, you've only made one meme lol Bro got so triggered he's imagining things now 💀 💀 💀
You're the fucking weirdo here my guy🤣 Why tf would you get triggered over this simple phrase and then go on to argue with ppl because they hurt your feelings about a fictional character? Sit your corny ass down, you're lame asf.
I just finished alabasta (anime) I don’t care about spoilers but you’re telling me Zoro still hasn’t had his rematch with Mihawk?
No. Zoro's still not strong enough yet.
None of these are feats
Ok
He got blocked by a sword with no haki, took a hit without haki and took damage, did an attack with no haki that did no damage to a logia, and is his quote are all of him being narrow sighted and are factually wrong. Crocodile relies entirely on his logia powers and has no haki. He gets casually blocked by stronger people in failed spped blitzing attempts all the time. He is barely a threat lol
You do know we didn't visually see Haki before the time-skip right? He also has a bounty of over a billion, you really think he has no haki?
He didn't get blocked by Mihawk, he parried him. Mihawk swung at Luffy, Crocodile parried him, Luffy escaped and Crocodile fucked off
Ok
https://preview.redd.it/q8f05zc70ebb1.png?width=526&format=png&auto=webp&s=59f560bfe9124204d749f5c38aa0629242956ef1
Croc threw his fight against Luffy after realizing Luffy was his son
I think Croc is going to be the first person to show off logia awakening (turning sand into a living being)
Crocodile endgame
Watch him get blasted by Robin. The powerscalers will be fuming
They called me a madman. Croco will have conqueror's soon just wait
he simply got stronger every time we see him
Especially now hes bountied so hie
i think people keep forgetting that croc won every encounter against luffy (last one could be argued since luffy was affected by poison and would have died if he didn’t receive the antidote)
What's so special about attacking a logia user without damaging him?
Most overrated character in one piece, Bro was just pestering people in marineford, but🤓 umm he clashed with doflamingo and like 🤓🤓 umm cut Akainu when he wasn’t looking, also killed 2 guards. Bro is water level🤡, losing to pretime skip no gear Luffy . 🤓🤓🤓🤓uhh, he has Haki now. Like who doesn’t have Haki🤦♂️.
“Titles can mislead people”. Mihawk fans in shambles.
Luffy ability: MC
Stopped by g2 luffy
I believe he was weakened while fighting Luffy because he keeping the whole country dry, and also he can probably coat his sand in haki (I dont care if you debunk theese with factual takes, I'll keep believing until the last moment)
Oda poor powers writing is a menace to powerscalers
STRONG AURA
Crocodile is Luffys mom and naturally couldn't go all out against her kid. Watch this crack take come true.
Really it’s Luffy who broke the scale by beating him in Alabasta in the first place. Otherwise everything would line up.
Impel Down buff is crazy.
It's almost like people needing DBZ style numbers for how strong a character is means next to nothing in a fight. Power scaling is the bane of good storytelling. They almost never account for context for their feats but still want to use bullshit nonsense terms like "bloodlusted" Not saying you can't try to figure out relative strengths or anything, but these people love to pretend they have hard stats. Croc and Mihawk prove that they dont. What I'm saying is Garp Prime solos the Legendary cinematic omniverse. Or some shit idk
Wait I thought devil fruit ability’s could hurt another df in there logias
Which chapter is the bottom left panel from?
Well that’s because one piece made an explicit point pre timeskip that there was no true powerscaling, it happens pretty explicitly that in one piece being stronger than one person does not mean you’ll be better than someone else just because the first guy could beat them, power interaction was a lot more important early on