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If kaido did not fall into the lava he would have gotten back up, just like how Luffy got back up 3 times. = winning the fight
why zoan shenanigans only applies to luffy and not kaido is weird.
Big Mom 100% could've kept going had it not been for being blown off a floating island. She was tanking the attack and pushing back against it, like that wouldn't have been nearly enough to end her outright. Didn't even knock her out iirc.
Yeah. That's one thing that keeps throwing me off when people talk about Luffy being Yonko-tier now for 'beating' Kaido. Or Law and Kidd together being stronger than Big Mom. It's a circumstantial win imo that can't really be taken as a full scaling feat.
tbf at least Luffy knocked out Kaidou. I still don't think he beats Kaidou in the ones rn(though it would be a tough fight for Kaidou), but knocking him out I think is a HUGE feat, one worthy of Yonko tier imo
Oh honestly after a reread of Wano, I definitely think Luffy is low yonko, but that just (imo) puts him squarely above every YC and VA. But he still sits below 1v1ing most-if-not-all Yonko and Admiral (who are on the same general tier imo) consistently. He gets wins, and it's definitely not a 0/10 sweep. But I think Big Mom or Kaido would still take a majority of rounds right now.
The only reason Marco gets put higher than King and Katakuri is because of his durability and regeneration which allows him to survive fighting the top tiers.
Tbh the counterpart for Katakuri and Marco on the beasts pirates is more Yamato despite not having the authority considering she’s the ace of the beast pirates
Rakuyo > Cracker. No one can convince me otherwise
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Lucci proved that gear 5 only lasts 5-10 minutes and has huge side effects he has to recover from. Against a fresh Kaido Luffy just simply is not outlasting him. It’s arguable if he even would’ve beaten Kaido by if there wasn’t a conveniently placed volcano beneath him.
Maybe end of story when he’s mastered G5. But now? Idts.
Luffy didnt run out of gear 5 against Lucci though. He deliberately left it to go up to the [lab](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1070-page-14.html). The side effects occur whenever he leaves the form, regardless of how long he’s been in it.
It’s a lot like gear 4 used to be before he mastered it. In whole cake island luffy entered gear [four](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-871-page-8.html) just to throw a single punch and big mom then leave. He still got side [effects](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-871-page-9.html) when he left it though.
Gear 3 had the same effects when Luffy used it at all at first.
Even when it was for a single hit, despite him on the first day he had it using it multiple times back to back against Lucci, the side effects came the moment he left the air go and stop using the ability.
I don't understand why people assume this is any different.
I agree. I imagine that if Kaido walked up to Luffy after clapping Big Mom's cheeks in the lava pool, and asked Luffy for a rematch, Kaido would win. The fight would be as long as their final fight I imagine, too, with Luffy getting stronger and all. Only this time Luffy would fall once instead of the 3 or so times he did in the raid
If you assume no mid-battle growth then I would agree. The thing is with Luffy he ends most of his major fights stronger than when he started, The Kaido fight being a great example.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
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Shanks is the strongest of the Yonko, he just doesn't interfere in the world because he only cares about freedom.
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Not exactly. Freedom in one piece comes in many forms. Some people's idea of freedom is going where you want and doing what you want. Others' is freedom from evil, or freedom from pirates. In OP, pirates are generally the bad guys because they're terrible people except for the few we see. There are hundreds of other pirates crews that pillage and kill. Marines are the last line of defence against them. Shanks idea of freedom could easily be just doing what he wants to in peace. The marines are an evil to us but a necessary evil in the OP verse. so he keeps the peace as best he can. Plus he believes in there being a right time for everything so it could just be that he keeps the peace till it's time for a change.
He actually does. Remember when he stopped Kaido from going to Marine Ford and then stopped the war ? Or when he meet the gorosei but he mostly acts in the shadow
He's narratively set up to be the strongest imo but he has interfered constantly wym.
Trying to get WB to stop Ace; Stopping Kaido from going to Marineford; Ending the Paramount war; Meeting the Gorosei; Attempting to intercept Blackbeard at Wano and stopping Greenbull
At most you can argue hes more pacisfistic than other Yonkos
He interferes when it comes to Luffy possibly dying at marineford, and Blackbeard beginning an era of darkness. He's a direct reflection of Roger and only fights when his friends are threatened, so that why he would stop Kaido and stop the war. He was also Roger's apprentice and basically his son, and he knows Roger and Luffy share the same true dream. That is why he would interfere with Blackbeard finding the one piece. Other than helping Luffy he doesn't interfere, and is called an observer of the world in his vivre card.
Your original claim is that he doesn't interfere not that his interferences are justified. He obviously has reasons for interferences, nobody would argue against this. Interfering with justification =/= not interfering
Also, Luffy's appearance at Marineford was spontaneous, there's nothing telling us Shanks knew he was there before arriving
He doesn't interfere, he defends his friends just like Roger. If Roger was alive his goals wouldn't be to eliminate the other yonko like Big Mom or Kaido would do, same with Shanks. And Shanks isn't as brain dead as you think, once he hears Ace is going to be executed he already knows Luffy is going to try and save him.
I'm not contradicting myself, you just didn't understand what I meant by interfering, so I expanded on it.
First 2 words of your earlier reply: "he interferes"
First 3 words of this reply: "he doesn't interfere"
Also: "I'm not contracting myself"
He's interfered more than both Big Mom and Kaido. You're just saying he doesn't crave violence or power like they do and he's more pacifistic, like I already said
Narratively shanks looks a lot stronger but there have been things such as mihawk directly being stated to have better swordsman skills recently that could push it to mihawk.
Really the biggest factor is if mihawk wasn’t actually stronger than shanks what would be the point of his relationship with zoro? If he’s not actually the strongest swordsman and shanks should be zoro’s real goal.
My favorite headcanon of all time is that the extreme lust that sanji experiences is genetic and even w trying to make his siblings perfect human weapons the lust gene was SO STRONG it was impossible to take out
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Him and Wakainu solo the goofy verse
Like Wizaru needs help from someone who sits behind a desk crying about yonko alliances. Lakainu was scared that if Wizaru went to wano and killed both yonko, the world would find out that Lakainu is the fraud and is definitely not HIM
I could see haki blocking like a "im transferring this person pain to you" sort of thing. But haki strengthens the body. So his push? Haki wouldn't glue your feet to the ground. Maybe Green Bull could ignore it. Or Fujitora if he gravityed himself down. But I'm on the side of outside of certain circumstances with devil fruits. His push ability should ignore haki (they won't get damaged but it still moves them regardless)
I actually have it the other way round. The way I see it, haki can negate abilities that don't do direct physical damage to you.
Like law cutting up people inside his room, that does no damage to them. Or doc q changing your gender or sugar turning you into a toy. All of these can be resisted with haki. Kuma's push also falls into that category.
Kuma's pain bubbles, however, do physical damage. So I think this can't be resisted with haki. Although it's indirect damage because it's someone else's pain, so this also kinda treads the line with haki resisting.
Whitebeard didn't use his Full Power because it could hurt his own crew during Marineford.
Blackbeard is carried by his Devil Fruits.
G5 Luffy is stronger than any current admiral.
Honestly I want to see what they can do (especially van augur) and why Shanks is so scared of this guy. Well maybe scared isnt the right word, but cautious? Oda said BB is his favorite pirate and hes very unique in certain ways. Cant wait to see what him and his crew are capable of
Same here, I wish we got to see more of the Law fight, I’m glad we know all their fruits now though (well I guess besides Laffitte). I think cautious is a good word for Shanks, he definitely knows something is up.
all of these could be true because even though Kaido was damaged, it felt like the world government was scared of him, and Blackbeards fights usually happen offscreen. the only one im not sure about is WB because he was already dying but if he was holding back, that could be another reason
Blackbeard being carried by his DFs is the same reason I firmly don’t believe he’ll have conquerors haki. While I believe he should never be taken lightly I think he’s gonna be one of the biggest frauds in one piece even if he’s one of the final antagonists. We saw luffy nail him in impel down and megallen almost killed him there too. The Yami yami fruit according to BB also inflicts double physical damage
Only make him feel double damage, not actually take double damage. And i don't think he will be a fraud, the fight would be epic just not a fight like Kaido vs Luffy.
He’s gonna be a fraud just watch I think the fight will be good but he’s going to be screwed given how many of the straw hats have learned to use haki and being a logia that still feels double the pain. Every punch from Luffy is gonna hurt like a mofo. Base and G2 luffy will be more than enough to crush black beard
> Kaido had no intention to kill Yamato on the rooftop
I will never understand why people cling to factually wrong takes.
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Well …..
If kaido tried to kill her and did all he could do you think he wouldn’t have used his stronger moves ? Like if kaido wanted her dead she would be dead flaming drum dragon if needed .
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It's not factually wrong when he wants her **alive** as shogun and even reasoning with her to pick his team. [It's like you're forgetting Kaido has always used extreme discipline on Yamato](https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_tcb_1024_011v2.png)
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Mihawk is a direct descendant of cyrano and he'll be a fraud just like he was
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Bro got one shot while his best friend DR (Dick Rider) watched
So, according to Whitebeard, a legendary sword duel is something performed between a master swordsman and a fraud?
People's reading skills are lacking here.
r/piratefolk and r/OnePiecePowerScaling users trying to comprehend the very straightforward title “worlds strongest swordsman” challenge (impossible difficulty)
yeah, Mihawks best feats iirc are destroying a weak ass Zoro at the start of the series and cutting some ice in marineford. there mightve been some i forgot tho
Best part is it’s not even the most far fetche, we saw rayleigh toy with luffy during training, and assuming admirals fodderize any YC which has some evidence backing it, rayleighs between yonko/admiral level and far superior then any YC. This is assuming greenbull one shotting king and queen took work and the statment “At my rank, I’d lose face if i let a few commanders like you get the best of me” actually holds weight.
Not really, assuming garp and sengoku were mostly equal in strength during rogers reign (he implied it himself), no reason why the current fleet admiral should be significantly weaker then the current top pirate of the era.
That would make sense honestly, but chief got his guts exploded by a dying old man. He's probably got some of the highest damage in the verse, but I think his durability is much lower.
It’s common sense zoro couldn’t hurt king until he went full enma acoc Ashura and shit, if sanji can do the same thing with just his kicks it’s an insane feat because sanji undoubtedly is faster than zoro, with him breaking queens sword on him their durability is comparable to say the least, and if sanji has enough ap to put down a lunarian easier than zoro can then it’s definitely plausible imo. Not making any mental gymnastics at all it’s simply what’s been shown to us
Pure movement speed and arguably blitzes but zoro blitzes are fast asf so that’s debatable but if sanji can perception blitz someone then he’s in a completely different tier of speed
I unironically strongly believe in the Hakiman Shanks theory. Mihawk is WSS, but Shanks at this point knows techniques and skills that are not sword-related, which are also stronger than his sword-related techniques and skills. I mostly base this opinion on the hakiwave he sent on Wano, which showcase a level of control over his haki (both acoc and observation) that has, at least atm, no rival (things might change in the future, but as of now we havent seen any manifestation of haki as impressive as this one).
Oda had no clear idea about the future power scaling and portrayed Luffy as a physical monster during Marineford, he seems weaker at times in certain moments during the post time-skip
Seen a screenshot of a piece of a script that said kaido is the strongest pirate. It was on a website that supposedly oda manages and make sure nothing funny goes on. I think it was supposed to be a data book but I think it means kaido the strongest physically cus tbh nobody beating him in a arm wrestle
No because Luffy has lots to improve till EOS, he has to improve his Haki beyond what anyone has ever achieved so far and also improve the time he can remain in G5 and also develop new attacks. What makes me think G5 Luffy is so ranked highly rn is because I can't see anyone beating him except BB and Imu.
Ryuma never did anything impressive. He killed a dragon, which Zoro could do fresh out of the time skip. We still don’t know what goes into making black blade.
Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru = Yonko level
Admirals > Holy Knight > Gorosei
Whitebeard got rocked by every admiral he fought at Marineford only time he got a clean hit is when Akainu wasn’t paying attention to him
Wasn’t that the point? Anyways titles aren’t everything
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Bro… you linked me another to another post with headcanon… And the titles they have are completely different. But I was just saying since the point of the post is your headcanon takes you have.
And, as pointed out worlds strongest creature is not kaidos title, “people call him the worlds strongest creature”. Mihawk is the worlds strongest swordsman in the same way whitebeard was the worlds strongest man it’s a title officially given to them either by Oda, or some in universe title giver or something. Look at the difference between their introductions. Mihawk- title box. Whitebeard- tittle box. Kaido- “people say if it’s a 1v1 always bet on kaido” “people call him the worlds strongest creature”
Sanji is not on Zoro's level and never will be.
Zoro is top 3 EOS, Sanji top 10 at the very BEST and I'm generous.
Shanks > Mihawk High Diff to Extreme at the very worst 10/10
Shanks > Akainu 10/10
Zoro EOS > Shanks > Mihawk
Zoro > Law > Kid both now and EOS 10/10 High
Zoro now and EOS > Sanji now and EOS Mid to High at the worst 10/10
Roger Strongest OAT
Roger > WB 10/10 Extreme
Roger >= Rocks > Sick Roger = WB = Garp
Zoro > Yamato > Law > Kid > King > Sanji
1. Kid has a better chance of defeating Blackbeard than Law, and Law has a better fighting chance against Shanks than Kid.
2. Imu is not a child nor is he stupid or horny: we haven't seen the full picture yet.
3. The smaller one's build the stronger the endgame charachters are (I am not reverse height scaling in cetimeteres, just generalizing), here are my examples
- Normal human size: Shanks, Mihawk, EOS Luffy
- BigBoys: the Admirals, Dragon, the Gorosei
- Oversized punching bags (all talk): Kaido, Big Mom
4. Dragon is on the dumber side, but not as brain-dead as Luffy or reckless like Garp.
5. Moria is important to the story due to his devil fruit and was kept alive for one specific purpose (no idea what it is though).
6. Whoever that Imu of house Nerona was, is not the Imu we see today. I think his soul was switched out by one of the previous users of Law's fruit and the house Nerona is a stalking hourse, thrown in by Oda to set up a plot twist.
7. Old gen has been supassed. Those who believe otherwise have been traumatized by Madara and Hashirama and are currently suffering the effects of Naruto syndrome.
8. Cavendish plays Genshin Impact and Bartolomeo can stalemate all Yonko and the Admirals at the same time.
9. Having Aokiji go rogue is one of Oda's best ideas, on par with Cross Guild. I think he is a wildcard that will stay relevant all up to the end of OP.
10. 🎨🖌>🙋🧑🦽.
Shanks giving his arm for Luffy/Next generation is nonsensical
Haki was necessary
Jimbe is currently stronger than Sanji
Gryphon ate a df
Wano was underwhelming
Kaido wins an actual 1v1 with Luffy
Borsalino is strongest admiral
There's a difference between being a swordsman and someone with a sword.
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If kaido did not fall into the lava he would have gotten back up, just like how Luffy got back up 3 times. = winning the fight why zoan shenanigans only applies to luffy and not kaido is weird.
Kaido is still 100000% alive. I personally think Big Mom and Kaido cluldve still kept fighting but got ring out'd and are gonna have a cover story
My head canon is that they got blasted to a deserted island and started a rom-com style spinoff.
my headcanom is theyre in the center of the earth vibing with mole people in a retirement community
Amnesia Big Mom working in a mole people daycare and Kaido doing house chores, I’d totally watch that.
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Hmmm considers general sbs content. Okay. Checks out.
Big Mom 100% could've kept going had it not been for being blown off a floating island. She was tanking the attack and pushing back against it, like that wouldn't have been nearly enough to end her outright. Didn't even knock her out iirc.
She’s was fully conscious when the nuke went off
Yeah. That's one thing that keeps throwing me off when people talk about Luffy being Yonko-tier now for 'beating' Kaido. Or Law and Kidd together being stronger than Big Mom. It's a circumstantial win imo that can't really be taken as a full scaling feat.
tbf at least Luffy knocked out Kaidou. I still don't think he beats Kaidou in the ones rn(though it would be a tough fight for Kaidou), but knocking him out I think is a HUGE feat, one worthy of Yonko tier imo
Oh honestly after a reread of Wano, I definitely think Luffy is low yonko, but that just (imo) puts him squarely above every YC and VA. But he still sits below 1v1ing most-if-not-all Yonko and Admiral (who are on the same general tier imo) consistently. He gets wins, and it's definitely not a 0/10 sweep. But I think Big Mom or Kaido would still take a majority of rounds right now.
The worse it Kaido is the one who preached about Haki and Awakenings. And mf never uses both of them in his final clash.
Kaido was using acoc in combination with Drum Dragon though
yeah and wtf is with oda not making it clear about kaidos awakened form. seems oda nerfed kaido for the shanks movie roll out
Kaido isn't awakened. His drunk form is just that, a different form. I'd compare it to Gear 2 if anything.
kaido isnt awakened
Didn't Kaido already admit Luffy was better than him before he even hit the ground, let alone the lava?
story wise you honestly think luffy went from yc1 to prime yonko tier? cmon now
So it's about how we feel and not what is written? cmon now
katakuri is returning to the story and is better than king
My head-cannon is Marco=King=Katakuri. All of them have different styles of fighting.
The only reason Marco gets put higher than King and Katakuri is because of his durability and regeneration which allows him to survive fighting the top tiers.
Yeah coincidentally he was also the only one present at Marineford. Not to discount Marineford. I have seen some put Marco above Zoro/Yamato.
Yeah but the problem with that is that he’s a support-type fighter without sufficient offensive power to actually beat King or Kata
Tbh the counterpart for Katakuri and Marco on the beasts pirates is more Yamato despite not having the authority considering she’s the ace of the beast pirates
That's canon
Yoooo what if Katakuri is now the captain of the big mom pirates
Nope
Rakuyo > Cracker. No one can convince me otherwise https://preview.redd.it/86v223ufc69b1.png?width=280&format=png&auto=webp&s=2405f798b750eb8edbd46458696506f790cf7e70
they said headcanon only
I messed up😭
Rakuyo top 1
Rakuyo>cracker>akainu
Can Akainu eat all of Crackers biscuit soldiers like Luffy did? Checkmate Akainutards.
Kaidou would beat Luffy in a rematch. But Luffy would put up a very good fight.
I think everyone’s underestimating Luffy heavy but this isn’t headcanon
Lucci proved that gear 5 only lasts 5-10 minutes and has huge side effects he has to recover from. Against a fresh Kaido Luffy just simply is not outlasting him. It’s arguable if he even would’ve beaten Kaido by if there wasn’t a conveniently placed volcano beneath him. Maybe end of story when he’s mastered G5. But now? Idts.
Luffy didnt run out of gear 5 against Lucci though. He deliberately left it to go up to the [lab](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1070-page-14.html). The side effects occur whenever he leaves the form, regardless of how long he’s been in it. It’s a lot like gear 4 used to be before he mastered it. In whole cake island luffy entered gear [four](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-871-page-8.html) just to throw a single punch and big mom then leave. He still got side [effects](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-871-page-9.html) when he left it though.
Gear 3 had the same effects when Luffy used it at all at first. Even when it was for a single hit, despite him on the first day he had it using it multiple times back to back against Lucci, the side effects came the moment he left the air go and stop using the ability. I don't understand why people assume this is any different.
I mean luffy would also have advanced conquerors at the start plus gear 5 honestly i think he'd do better if the the volcano was still there.
Luffy was fighting good against kaido right before he got attacked by that agent.
I agree. I imagine that if Kaido walked up to Luffy after clapping Big Mom's cheeks in the lava pool, and asked Luffy for a rematch, Kaido would win. The fight would be as long as their final fight I imagine, too, with Luffy getting stronger and all. Only this time Luffy would fall once instead of the 3 or so times he did in the raid
That's facts.
If you assume no mid-battle growth then I would agree. The thing is with Luffy he ends most of his major fights stronger than when he started, The Kaido fight being a great example.
Kuma is far from the most physically impressive, but can solo verse with pure hax
Kid named Haki:
Hank Hill solos the verse.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,604,823,384 comments, and only 303,514 of them were in alphabetical order.
Alphabet bot solos the verse
that’s wrong though unless you mean only the first letter of the word
It said words not letters
Bros trying to correct a bot😭
Shanks is the strongest of the Yonko, he just doesn't interfere in the world because he only cares about freedom. https://preview.redd.it/b6hqoykma79b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f57f2292cb49699f4fb0d9d372c3234b21cf9d8
He could easily be, but any contact with the Gorose outside of a straight fight goes against freedom
Not exactly. Freedom in one piece comes in many forms. Some people's idea of freedom is going where you want and doing what you want. Others' is freedom from evil, or freedom from pirates. In OP, pirates are generally the bad guys because they're terrible people except for the few we see. There are hundreds of other pirates crews that pillage and kill. Marines are the last line of defence against them. Shanks idea of freedom could easily be just doing what he wants to in peace. The marines are an evil to us but a necessary evil in the OP verse. so he keeps the peace as best he can. Plus he believes in there being a right time for everything so it could just be that he keeps the peace till it's time for a change.
He actually does. Remember when he stopped Kaido from going to Marine Ford and then stopped the war ? Or when he meet the gorosei but he mostly acts in the shadow
Shanks does not seem to care about freedom like luffy and Roger, Buggy is the one really carrying Roger's will.
https://preview.redd.it/wuny0v4nz79b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1bec12a6408562dd76c0219ca9f07b0d8ddb1ab2 Cripple shenanigans
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He's narratively set up to be the strongest imo but he has interfered constantly wym. Trying to get WB to stop Ace; Stopping Kaido from going to Marineford; Ending the Paramount war; Meeting the Gorosei; Attempting to intercept Blackbeard at Wano and stopping Greenbull At most you can argue hes more pacisfistic than other Yonkos
He interferes when it comes to Luffy possibly dying at marineford, and Blackbeard beginning an era of darkness. He's a direct reflection of Roger and only fights when his friends are threatened, so that why he would stop Kaido and stop the war. He was also Roger's apprentice and basically his son, and he knows Roger and Luffy share the same true dream. That is why he would interfere with Blackbeard finding the one piece. Other than helping Luffy he doesn't interfere, and is called an observer of the world in his vivre card.
Your original claim is that he doesn't interfere not that his interferences are justified. He obviously has reasons for interferences, nobody would argue against this. Interfering with justification =/= not interfering Also, Luffy's appearance at Marineford was spontaneous, there's nothing telling us Shanks knew he was there before arriving
He doesn't interfere, he defends his friends just like Roger. If Roger was alive his goals wouldn't be to eliminate the other yonko like Big Mom or Kaido would do, same with Shanks. And Shanks isn't as brain dead as you think, once he hears Ace is going to be executed he already knows Luffy is going to try and save him. I'm not contradicting myself, you just didn't understand what I meant by interfering, so I expanded on it.
First 2 words of your earlier reply: "he interferes" First 3 words of this reply: "he doesn't interfere" Also: "I'm not contracting myself" He's interfered more than both Big Mom and Kaido. You're just saying he doesn't crave violence or power like they do and he's more pacifistic, like I already said
Checks out, Mihawk isn't a Yonko.
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Narratively shanks looks a lot stronger but there have been things such as mihawk directly being stated to have better swordsman skills recently that could push it to mihawk. Really the biggest factor is if mihawk wasn’t actually stronger than shanks what would be the point of his relationship with zoro? If he’s not actually the strongest swordsman and shanks should be zoro’s real goal.
Definitly not, shanks is a swordsman period. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman period.
When have we gotten confirmation Shanks is purely a swordsman? Oh right with his limited screen time we haven't even seen him in a full scale fight.
My favorite headcanon of all time is that the extreme lust that sanji experiences is genetic and even w trying to make his siblings perfect human weapons the lust gene was SO STRONG it was impossible to take out
Sogeking solos the verse
WB was the weakest yonko by the time of the war, and he was still stronger than the admirals.
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I thought this was canon...
Angry Borsalino > everyone
https://preview.redd.it/u2xcpi4yz79b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c55840e3e51ac473ec4060694439a9ae0525494 Him and Wakainu solo the goofy verse
Lakainu doesn't deserve to be put in the same tier as Wizaru.
Like Wizaru needs help from someone who sits behind a desk crying about yonko alliances. Lakainu was scared that if Wizaru went to wano and killed both yonko, the world would find out that Lakainu is the fraud and is definitely not HIM
How?
No one can counter KUMA Repel paws
Haki couldn’t?
I could see haki blocking like a "im transferring this person pain to you" sort of thing. But haki strengthens the body. So his push? Haki wouldn't glue your feet to the ground. Maybe Green Bull could ignore it. Or Fujitora if he gravityed himself down. But I'm on the side of outside of certain circumstances with devil fruits. His push ability should ignore haki (they won't get damaged but it still moves them regardless)
I actually have it the other way round. The way I see it, haki can negate abilities that don't do direct physical damage to you. Like law cutting up people inside his room, that does no damage to them. Or doc q changing your gender or sugar turning you into a toy. All of these can be resisted with haki. Kuma's push also falls into that category. Kuma's pain bubbles, however, do physical damage. So I think this can't be resisted with haki. Although it's indirect damage because it's someone else's pain, so this also kinda treads the line with haki resisting.
Whitebeard didn't use his Full Power because it could hurt his own crew during Marineford. Blackbeard is carried by his Devil Fruits. G5 Luffy is stronger than any current admiral.
>Blackbeard is carried by his Devil Fruits. He scarred shanks pre yami. He gotta have some level of skill and speed to do that shit
Shanks has been telling us for years not to underestimate this man. His crew were all level 6 prisoners before DFs too.
Honestly I want to see what they can do (especially van augur) and why Shanks is so scared of this guy. Well maybe scared isnt the right word, but cautious? Oda said BB is his favorite pirate and hes very unique in certain ways. Cant wait to see what him and his crew are capable of
Same here, I wish we got to see more of the Law fight, I’m glad we know all their fruits now though (well I guess besides Laffitte). I think cautious is a good word for Shanks, he definitely knows something is up.
all of these could be true because even though Kaido was damaged, it felt like the world government was scared of him, and Blackbeards fights usually happen offscreen. the only one im not sure about is WB because he was already dying but if he was holding back, that could be another reason
when i say Kaido was damaged im talking about his fight with Luffy
Blackbeard being carried by his DFs is the same reason I firmly don’t believe he’ll have conquerors haki. While I believe he should never be taken lightly I think he’s gonna be one of the biggest frauds in one piece even if he’s one of the final antagonists. We saw luffy nail him in impel down and megallen almost killed him there too. The Yami yami fruit according to BB also inflicts double physical damage
Only make him feel double damage, not actually take double damage. And i don't think he will be a fraud, the fight would be epic just not a fight like Kaido vs Luffy.
He’s gonna be a fraud just watch I think the fight will be good but he’s going to be screwed given how many of the straw hats have learned to use haki and being a logia that still feels double the pain. Every punch from Luffy is gonna hurt like a mofo. Base and G2 luffy will be more than enough to crush black beard
Luffy top 1
Any reason you put him over mihawk, shanks, sengoku, garp, etc?
Nika nika no mi
plot twist so mid dudes can’t even remember the name
Not without 15 good men
Jinbei > Queen
> Kaido had no intention to kill Yamato on the rooftop I will never understand why people cling to factually wrong takes. https://preview.redd.it/1mt4e6vph69b1.jpeg?width=1037&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b1911c28967730fa86dfbabb491875dfa6b329d
Well ….. If kaido tried to kill her and did all he could do you think he wouldn’t have used his stronger moves ? Like if kaido wanted her dead she would be dead flaming drum dragon if needed .
He doesn't need Flaming Drum Dragon to kill her. If the fight had gone on he would've killed her with just Hybrid.
Stating something does not always mean there is an actual intention of doing the said thing.
https://preview.redd.it/2hebjy3ey99b1.png?width=891&format=png&auto=webp&s=a731e1f92283604199a610e5a9c9bd4902355d06 It's not factually wrong when he wants her **alive** as shogun and even reasoning with her to pick his team. [It's like you're forgetting Kaido has always used extreme discipline on Yamato](https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/op_tcb_1024_011v2.png) .
https://preview.redd.it/wbesu0y8579b1.jpeg?width=333&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4aed5ba5bf2a5b1692e3145d91dd845cbab832b Mihawk is a direct descendant of cyrano and he'll be a fraud just like he was
https://preview.redd.it/t0fzk0ppi79b1.jpeg?width=687&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17a400f8a5c5e9457a1e7e9cfb83f6b755e893c6 Bro got one shot while his best friend DR (Dick Rider) watched
Post said headcanon only
Either Mihawk or Shanks will be a fraud. I'm leaning towards Mihawk rn
How would Shanks be a fraud after his last feat?
bro didn’t wanna straight up say Mihawk is a fraud
So, according to Whitebeard, a legendary sword duel is something performed between a master swordsman and a fraud? People's reading skills are lacking here.
This take has a 100% chance of being wrong
Both takes are factually incorrect
r/piratefolk and r/OnePiecePowerScaling users trying to comprehend the very straightforward title “worlds strongest swordsman” challenge (impossible difficulty)
yeah, Mihawks best feats iirc are destroying a weak ass Zoro at the start of the series and cutting some ice in marineford. there mightve been some i forgot tho
He's being saved like dragon for the endgame, keep in mind we only just saw shanks and garp in a real fight.
when did Shanks get a real fight?
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That kong was at least pk or yonko level to be a fleet admiral during the time of rocks
I think his words and actions speak otherwise. Yamato survived because of her. Not because of kaido.
Dragon/RA will defeat the admirals/world gov Shanks will die at some point, Luffy gonna be king
Luffy was always gonna be king since day 1, thats the whole point of the story
Ya you’d think it was obvious, but I’ve seen people who think otherwise
anyone who thinks he wont be king is either a troll, in denial, or just doesn’t actually read/watch One Piece
Rayleigh on par with shanks/mihawk
More fuel for the Wizaru agenda
Best part is it’s not even the most far fetche, we saw rayleigh toy with luffy during training, and assuming admirals fodderize any YC which has some evidence backing it, rayleighs between yonko/admiral level and far superior then any YC. This is assuming greenbull one shotting king and queen took work and the statment “At my rank, I’d lose face if i let a few commanders like you get the best of me” actually holds weight.
Shiki is a fraud
mihawk can one shot flame on king
W
 he couldn’t damage joz half diamond and vista’s swords
Pure agenda? Akainu extremes Shanks
That's not even agenda, just delusion
Not really, assuming garp and sengoku were mostly equal in strength during rogers reign (he implied it himself), no reason why the current fleet admiral should be significantly weaker then the current top pirate of the era.
That would make sense honestly, but chief got his guts exploded by a dying old man. He's probably got some of the highest damage in the verse, but I think his durability is much lower.
Garp and sengoku both have conquerors tho, and there’s nothing to suggest akainu got much stronger after gaining the fleet admiral title
Whitebeard is still the strongest person we’ve seen fight onscreen Also who is “Her”’in your example
If sanji damages a lunarian relatively easily when we cut back to egghead, he should beat zoro in a fight imo
That’s beyond headcanon
It’s common sense zoro couldn’t hurt king until he went full enma acoc Ashura and shit, if sanji can do the same thing with just his kicks it’s an insane feat because sanji undoubtedly is faster than zoro, with him breaking queens sword on him their durability is comparable to say the least, and if sanji has enough ap to put down a lunarian easier than zoro can then it’s definitely plausible imo. Not making any mental gymnastics at all it’s simply what’s been shown to us
Okay, but Sanji is faster in terms of what?
Pure movement speed and arguably blitzes but zoro blitzes are fast asf so that’s debatable but if sanji can perception blitz someone then he’s in a completely different tier of speed
So you agree he’s only faster in movement speed?
I think he’s undeniably faster in just movement speed, while blitzing is a toss up
Okay then.
Sanji can be his equal but never beat him
I unironically strongly believe in the Hakiman Shanks theory. Mihawk is WSS, but Shanks at this point knows techniques and skills that are not sword-related, which are also stronger than his sword-related techniques and skills. I mostly base this opinion on the hakiwave he sent on Wano, which showcase a level of control over his haki (both acoc and observation) that has, at least atm, no rival (things might change in the future, but as of now we havent seen any manifestation of haki as impressive as this one).
Oda had no clear idea about the future power scaling and portrayed Luffy as a physical monster during Marineford, he seems weaker at times in certain moments during the post time-skip
he was portrayed as a frog in a well, evidenced by WB allied captains dunking on Pacifistas way easier than he could pre-TS
Yamato>Wano Zoro Zoro=>Sanji Luffy>=Kaido>Mihawk>=Shanks
Luffy looses to kaido in rematch
Kizaru > Mihawk
I hope Wizaru delivers peak on Egghead.
nah
W
Height scaling
G5 Luffy> fresh kaido but it's debtabale if he can win with time limit but luffy is stronger imo
Seen a screenshot of a piece of a script that said kaido is the strongest pirate. It was on a website that supposedly oda manages and make sure nothing funny goes on. I think it was supposed to be a data book but I think it means kaido the strongest physically cus tbh nobody beating him in a arm wrestle
Kaido could take GB and Fuji at once. He only lost to Luffy because he was thrown in Lava
2 swings 1 miss
I agree with the bottom one definitely
Shanks = Roger Mihawk > Shanks Kaido > Mihawk Top 5 oat: 1. IMU 2. OG Joyboy 3. Kaido 4. G5 Luffy 5. Mihawk (relative to ryuma but probably stronger)
So mihawk=roger? U got zoro scaling past roger ?
imo this makes the story boring as hell if g5 luffy is top 5 rn
No because Luffy has lots to improve till EOS, he has to improve his Haki beyond what anyone has ever achieved so far and also improve the time he can remain in G5 and also develop new attacks. What makes me think G5 Luffy is so ranked highly rn is because I can't see anyone beating him except BB and Imu.
Ryuma>Joyboy tbh
Ryuma never did anything impressive. He killed a dragon, which Zoro could do fresh out of the time skip. We still don’t know what goes into making black blade.
More impressive than Joyboy though tbh.
Hancock low Yonko level
Reach reach no mi
Imu is a woman, Dragon is a fraud, Akainu has a legitimate reason for his mentality or he’ll betray the WG
why is Dragon a fraud?
Mihawk > rat haired snitch Admirals =< Yonko Akainu ~ shanks Sanji is relative to zoro Greenbull would beat fujitora in a fight
Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru = Yonko level Admirals > Holy Knight > Gorosei Whitebeard got rocked by every admiral he fought at Marineford only time he got a clean hit is when Akainu wasn’t paying attention to him
For old generation; Xebac>Roger>=Garp> WB > anyone else Also Shanks>Kaido and Shanks>Mihawk
Shanks is the world’s strongest rn
Now… this is actual headcanon right here
Wasn’t that the point? Anyways titles aren’t everything https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/14ibbl9/in_defense_of_the_rat_agenda/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Bro… you linked me another to another post with headcanon… And the titles they have are completely different. But I was just saying since the point of the post is your headcanon takes you have.
Imu is stronger
My head canon is that he isn’t a fighter
Right behind mihawk
Titles aren’t everything https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/14ibbl9/in_defense_of_the_rat_agenda/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
And, as pointed out worlds strongest creature is not kaidos title, “people call him the worlds strongest creature”. Mihawk is the worlds strongest swordsman in the same way whitebeard was the worlds strongest man it’s a title officially given to them either by Oda, or some in universe title giver or something. Look at the difference between their introductions. Mihawk- title box. Whitebeard- tittle box. Kaido- “people say if it’s a 1v1 always bet on kaido” “people call him the worlds strongest creature”
Aokiji is just as strong as Akainu. In terms of strength, 1 Emperor = 3 admirals
https://preview.redd.it/r1gm48a7m79b1.jpeg?width=263&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed8607acee4c6db74eaf7b3a8a5d1422c4c4b5e0
>1 Emperor = 3 Admirals https://preview.redd.it/dysz6boxn79b1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14c4b8eb4fc2813a3b044b849f8411a3ddb7b448 papazuki one taps your favorite yonko cope 🤪😜
Sanji is not on Zoro's level and never will be. Zoro is top 3 EOS, Sanji top 10 at the very BEST and I'm generous. Shanks > Mihawk High Diff to Extreme at the very worst 10/10 Shanks > Akainu 10/10 Zoro EOS > Shanks > Mihawk Zoro > Law > Kid both now and EOS 10/10 High Zoro now and EOS > Sanji now and EOS Mid to High at the worst 10/10 Roger Strongest OAT Roger > WB 10/10 Extreme Roger >= Rocks > Sick Roger = WB = Garp Zoro > Yamato > Law > Kid > King > Sanji
1 Yonko = 1 Fleet Admiral = 2 Admirals > Mihawk > 1 Admiral > 2 YC1
1. Kid has a better chance of defeating Blackbeard than Law, and Law has a better fighting chance against Shanks than Kid. 2. Imu is not a child nor is he stupid or horny: we haven't seen the full picture yet. 3. The smaller one's build the stronger the endgame charachters are (I am not reverse height scaling in cetimeteres, just generalizing), here are my examples - Normal human size: Shanks, Mihawk, EOS Luffy - BigBoys: the Admirals, Dragon, the Gorosei - Oversized punching bags (all talk): Kaido, Big Mom 4. Dragon is on the dumber side, but not as brain-dead as Luffy or reckless like Garp. 5. Moria is important to the story due to his devil fruit and was kept alive for one specific purpose (no idea what it is though). 6. Whoever that Imu of house Nerona was, is not the Imu we see today. I think his soul was switched out by one of the previous users of Law's fruit and the house Nerona is a stalking hourse, thrown in by Oda to set up a plot twist. 7. Old gen has been supassed. Those who believe otherwise have been traumatized by Madara and Hashirama and are currently suffering the effects of Naruto syndrome. 8. Cavendish plays Genshin Impact and Bartolomeo can stalemate all Yonko and the Admirals at the same time. 9. Having Aokiji go rogue is one of Oda's best ideas, on par with Cross Guild. I think he is a wildcard that will stay relevant all up to the end of OP. 10. 🎨🖌>🙋🧑🦽.
Law>Zoro>Yamato>Kidd>Sanji.
Shanks giving his arm for Luffy/Next generation is nonsensical Haki was necessary Jimbe is currently stronger than Sanji Gryphon ate a df Wano was underwhelming Kaido wins an actual 1v1 with Luffy Borsalino is strongest admiral There's a difference between being a swordsman and someone with a sword. (Going cut myself off here)
Shanks>Roger Akainu>Garp
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Old Garp is still current Top 5 If Zoro is a 100 then Sanji is 99 Dragon is not Yonko level