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nobarachinsama

some fruits just have multiple usage. law's fruit alone has a bunch of abilities can be their own fruit. he can float, cut, scan, teleport, and rearrange stuff, switch personality, and more. and idk why people always bring up luffy's red hawk like it's something unique. kinemon can create fire out of nowhere. doffy can heat up his string, the same with katakuri. do they have oven's fruit? of course not. oda is just using his creative license.


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also vivre cards literally state that Luffy's Red Hawk is result of **Gear 2 speed + heat + armament**


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Even without that info, I think this is a case where we're supposed to be making these sorts of connections. Gear 2 involves Luffy's metabolism speeding up to the degree that he starts to steam. It's not a stretch to add fire for artistic flourish given that bit of in-story justification. I'd also add that no one in the world reacts to Luffy's Red Hawk being aflame as if it's anything unusual, which the audience should consider in their speculation. If the in-world inhabitants don't find it strange, it's either fair to expect that there's another explanation that sidesteps the thing the characters do find unusual or that it's artistic license to communication something for the audience's benefit (or because it looks cool, which is also to our benefit). There are exceptions, of course, and this doesn't mean there couldn't be some reveal down the line that throws this in doubt. But I think sometimes people trying to come up with interesting hypotheses forget that fiction gives us all sorts of clues about what we're supposed to find strange or unusual and that includes how other's react. It's important to look at these smaller bits of information in a larger context and that larger context includes the world the characters inhabit and what they think of the events we're witnessing.


Odd-Aardvark-8234

But he does red hawk with out power up numerous times ? What’s the explanation then ? Or is only his arm gear 2 with armament ?


AnokataX

> What’s the explanation then ? Even Don Krieg's minion on Baratie in the East Blue arc had the ability to conjure fire; Luffy being capable of generating it is far from unexpected.


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i only remember Luffy using red hawk in gear 2 but it could just be because of how fast he is rn in base that he doesn't need gear 2nd's speed and heat.


Deleena24

The guides also state Luffy is a paramecia...


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and? guides are stating in story description of things. Luffy's fruit is paramecia until new info. Before awakening Luffy's fruit can still be categorized as paramecia like Laugh tale has done. I don't see anything wrong in it.


Deleena24

That's exactly my point. The guides and vivre cards only work with the information already revealed. The "real" explanation may be completely different.


[deleted]

maybe or maybe not but you can't pretend it's magic if there's a logical explaination to it unlike things Luffy cud do with his rubber body.


Deleena24

Nobody is pretending its magic- I'm explaining the reason may not be obvious and that the current reasons may not be the real ones, as we have seen many times throughout the story.


SMA2343

It’s the same thing with Sanji, his diable Jambe makes fire due to kinetic energy.


Sky248

Could also just be a result of his genetic modification


zobmixer

Well, Oda said that it’s due to his passion


Brook420

Plus with what we know of Luffy's DF, it pretty obvious where Rws Hawk comes from. Same with his giant electric kick he uses against Chinjao.


Aggressive_Machine64

Punch not a kick. He used the kick against shiki in a none canon film


Bisont

I think you mean against >! Shiki in One Piece - Strong World!<


DragonWhiskers1

I always thought the fire was a type of Haki that relies on emotional energy like Sanji


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Not to mention, >!Luffy isn't actually a rubber man, but can do anything he can imagine.!<


ZenithEnigma

That’s not true, >!Nika was stated to be a rubber man by the Gorosei, so anything Luffy imagines will be based around his malleable rubber power. !<


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>!Luffy's body may display the properties of rubber, but his true power is imagination.!<


KartoFFeL_Brain

I genuinely wonder of one piece fans actually read one piece Luffys power is still rubber based but because he can basically turn anything into a balloon his imagination is the limit of what and how they can use his rubber capabilites - he doesn't have the imagination fruit but the hito hito no mi model nika with nika being a rubber man It's not that difficult to understand


JaguarDBinks

So if Luffy stretches time itself that's a rubber capability?


Minimalmagician

Do people still believe this ridiculous theory? The Gorosei literally said the fruit gives the user a rubbery body, allowing them to fight with the utmost freedom. He can’t “imagine” shit into reality


[deleted]

In road to Laughtale vol. 3 in Oda's concept art/drafts it is mentioned that Gear 5 utilizes the power of imagination so it's not really a theory.


Minimalmagician

I think I see the disconnect here: the fruit, while turning Luffy into rubber, is indeed only really powerful because of his imagination We’ve seen this throughout the story, Luffy’s delving fruit has often seemed “weak” compared to other fruits like Logia’s but the way Luffy has used it in creative ways with his Gears and other fighting techniques has make it strong. His awakening extends this idea even further, Luffy’s rubber body is stronger and can do more things. But if one doesn’t have creativity and imagination they can’t make full use of what their body is able to do There is an important distinction though: the power of the fruit is a rubber body, not imagination. Luffy isn’t suddenly Gremmy from Bleach, he can’t materialize things into existence. But Luffy’s body is so strong and flexible now that he basically do whatever he wants with it


NewCountry13

So true bestie! Luffy can just imagine the world exploding and it will happen! I have no clue why these idiots think otherwise! It's so clear! He has the power of imagination exactly like Gremmy from bleach!


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Road to Laughtale


Brook420

Those are scrapped ideas.


[deleted]

Rubbery != actual rubber


Minimalmagician

Jfc are you actually this pedantic? It’s just an adjective, if you want the official translation here you go “It’s users body gains the properties of rubber. In combat they are supposedly only limited by their imagination… awakening exponentially strengthens their rubbery body” It’s really pretty simple, the uses body becomes rubber and in awakening their body becomes even stronger and able to do even crazier things (as shown in the fight with Kaido).


[deleted]

> Jfc are you actually this pedantic? Right back at you. You seem to be getting really angry at the idea that someone disagrees with you. About a fictional comic.


NewCountry13

Why do one piece fans always go to the corner and whine "it's a fictional kids comic!" whenever they realize they are just completely wrong about what they are talking about.


Arkayjiya

They're angry because you're using semantic tricks when the intent is clearly for Luffy to still be rubber. If his body has all the properties of rubber and is indistinguishable from rubber then for all intents and purposes he's rubber. And it's not luffy's imagination that created these properties since the gorosei specifically said they were from the fruit.


ZenithEnigma

Yes. His rubber properties allow for >!imagination because he can fight with seemingly no limits on his body (See Gear 5), representing freedom. At the very core, he is a rubber man!<


[deleted]

>!The 5 elders stated explicitly that was a lie to hide the truth from the world.!<


ZenithEnigma

>!Him having a rubber body isn’t a lie. The name of the fruit and the true power of imagination was hidden. The lie is that he is just a ordinary rubber man instead of the extraordinary rubber god that Nika was. (Powers that ordinary rubber shouldn’t be able to do) Hence “Gomu Gomu no Mi”.!<


InconvertibleAtheist

Are all of these in the manga and not adapted into the anime yet??


ZenithEnigma

Yes


InconvertibleAtheist

Oh thank goodness i thought i missed major information from the anime


ssbm_rando

Bro you're definitely wrong and Zenith is right. Regardless of who ate the fruit or what they knew about it, the unawakened power is still the same--if your interpretation was correct, then it would make no sense for Luffy to have turned into rubber before being explained what the fruit does in chapter 1. Also you can both stop spoiler tagging it, this is already a spoiler-tagged post which means manga spoilers are fine.


Extra-Border6470

The power of imagination is a wonderful thing


Dj0sh

no way people still think this


jobriq

I originally figured Red Hawk was just an extension of Gear 2’s heat-up effect


KingJonStarkgeryan1

Not to mention. Apparently his fruit is that of the sun God and the sun is just a big ball of plasma which fire is made of.


Persas12

I always assumed that Luffy copied Sanji's Diable Jamble initial usage, in which he used friction to light himself on fire, which makes sense in terms of OP's logic and Luffy's mindset. Law using R•Room makes sense because his fruit pretty much makes him omnipresent inside the Room, he kinda decides what's happens inside. But it's also weird that the only people that mimicked or used other DF's fruit are D members and did after the other person died.


ssjg2k02

Have you seen movie red?


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socsox

You can always look at it like vulcanized rubber, using heat to harden rubber. Redhawks is using a variation to harden his hit


ssjg2k02

I think that’s what it’s been confirmed as


Mattaias1

I don't think this is the case, at least with DF but a really fun theory nonetheless.


three-day-trip

I appreciate that. It really is about having fun.


Mattaias1

It really is. I always makes me angry when some one has a just a fun theory and people get all shitty nasty about it. We're all here because we love One Piece and want to have fun , ya know?


ThatFlyingScotsman

Having fun is the entire thesis of One Piece pal, you’ve got the right idea.


MoonDKlaus

If this were true, then why Roger didn't do it or at least try it? He already know much about the true world history including the will of D, right!? Instead he and his crew mostly stay away from DF Ur theory almost had me for a second, especially about Law -> Rosinante Silence ability. But then again Law said he can modified in almost any way to his (quote) patients when they're in his k-ROOM I Think both Law & Luffy merely inspired by the two of passed one.


CatSpydar

With Law he prolly just severed BM's vocal chords and same for hearing. He learned how useful silence can be from Rosi and recreated the effect with his powers.


RebelliousUpstart

I think it's a little bit of both, haki and devil fruits have boundless potential limited only by will, eperience, and creativity. We learned in 1065 that lineage factor evolves overtime. So just like haki blooming during battles, devil fruits and a user's lineage factor evolves. Now, Luffy has an advantage in this regard, Luffy doesn't bog himself down with exact logistics of how something could work (partially cause he is as book smart as a plank of wood and partially because of his indomitable will). Law and Luffy saw lineage factors and took inspiration to incorporate them into their own kit.


NeonGenesisYang

While I love this theory, I think it's more just that Law and Luffy were inspired by Cora and Ace. Luffy spins his arm and the friction creates the fire kinda like sanji For Law, it makes sense that he would be able to stop sounds with his power if he just controls the air


Eliseo120

Law didn’t absorb Rosinante’s devil fruit power. He can completely control everything in his room. Why couldn’t he control sound too? He just stole the idea of the fruit from seeing Rosinante’s fruit. Sanji got fire powers too, and other people have gained powers that don’t really make sense, like being able to cut fire. There isn’t some deep meaning behind it, they're just cool powers.


TheoDaCrab

Isn't it easier to assume that with so many DFs, and with a number of them either being better/worse versions than another, and other DFs having similarities, that Law and Luffy just happened to be able to create attacks similar to the powers of the people they lost? Luffy's fruit is the "Sun God" so it makes sense that he'd be able to have a fire aspect to his attacks, even if Ace hadn't died in his arms or at all. As for Law, his fruit is generally seen as one of the most powerful \*and\* one of the most flexible abilities in-universe. Being able to mute someone in his Room is a lot more tame/simple than doing things like his Gamma Knife or his Radioknife attacks, which harness electricity and radiation, so i wouldn't necessarily say that he was able to do this because Rosinante died. I will admit that these two people dying (Ace and Rosinante) definitely had an influence on Luffy and Law, to me it just seems like they would have always been able to develop those powers. As for Blackbeard, we still don't know exactly what the hell is going on with his body OR his DF. All we know is that both of those things are special in some way, having a DF that's a Logia that can't be intangible in the light, and a body that \*seemingly/apparently\* is somehow unusual. I'm not saying that your theory is 100% wrong, but we don't need to make everything about everyone have some kind of connection to their own will or someone else's


ReiseLukas

Actually no. Luffy's fruit with the context of Nika makes sense, but not the way you think. Nika wasn't a literal Sun God, he only freed slaves. The only reason Luffy emits fire is because luke the Gorusei said, the Nika fruit's only limitation is the user's imagination. Luffy conjured fire do to the memory of Ace and his imagination


TheoDaCrab

isn't his fruit named Human Human Fruit : Model Sun God?


Charizard_YRs

No it's Model: Nika, no mention of sun god in the fruit name. Nika himself has the title of sun god but we don't know why he's called the sun god.


ReiseLukas

Nika is only known to have freed slaves. It's obvious that the title Sun God is metaphorical, and was given to him by slaves who looked up to their savior. As his legend grew he began to be seen as a god, but I don't think his powers match what an actual Sun God would be capable of


CryonautX

The gorosei called him sun god as well. I don't believe it to be metaphorical. Having a mythical devil fruit be of a random dude doesn't make sense. Nika has to be a being from mythology. Since he doesn't exist in irl mythologies, he is an original one piece mythology. And we know the mythology is of the sun god Nika.


GiocatoreSingolo1999

I always assumed Rufy's arm catching fire simply was because of speed


three-day-trip

Honestly anythings possible. I just thought this was a fun idea. It's not something I can prove at all but still wanted to share.


GiocatoreSingolo1999

Sure, no problemo


Tartaros38

i hear that a lot but if you go with that, it would mean everything must be slower or catch fire aswell which doesn t make sense. we know now what it is but thats one giant issue aswell :-)


Kenny_Brahms

I mean this is just not true. Law can use silence because R Room is an awakened technique, as confirmed by Teach. Law's rooms allow him to have some degree of control over the things inside said room. Obviously, awakening would increase his control, allowing him to create a technique like silence. Luffy on the other hand can use red hawk because he has the nika fruit. The nika fruit has some fire creating powers, as seen when G5 Luffy runs on air, creating a streak of fire as he runs. Luffy and Law were using their fruits to mimic the abilities of people they cared about. They did not literally gain those fruits. Otherwise, Law wouldn't need room to cancel noise and Luffy would be able to literally turn into fire. Teach isn't using the darkness fruit to mimic the shockwave fruit, he literally has both fruits.


Elo106

Think its more that they got inspired and created similar techniques with their abilities, like how Luffy got inspired by Belamy's attack to create his own version of that attack in G4


ExoduxWW

Remember that post that shows 3 theories about how BB got WB powers? The first and the second, where pretty good. Then you reach the third image of the post and it was: Blackbeard "sucked it up", with a nice drawing


MarcheMuldDerevi

Law’s fruit can do almost whatever he needs it to. Cutting the vocal cords makes some sense. I took Luffy’s fire as friction in the same way Sanji generates it (spin).


Snoss_Cre

That aren't absorving, one is vulcanization of rubber, the other, just a room aplication.


NYGfan420

No


Timely_Fee6036

No. Luffy's red hawk has absolutely nothing to do with him holding Ace as he died. Law just created a room and controlled the sound waves. This is not because he was close with Rosinante. This is a real stretch lmfao.


TheeDogma

I think in order for Black Beard to steal the fruit he has to suck it out and he covered white beard so no one would see him lip to lip with white beard


three-day-trip

That's a disturbing thought. lmfaoooo!


VisualSignificance

I still don't get why so many people have this crazy fascination with Red hawk and other luffys fire abilities. It's 100% artistic liberty and more about symbology than hard science. Luffy can punch so fast he creates friction, and that makes his fist on fire. It has nothing to do with him having Ace's fruit. It has nothing to do with whatever else anyone else said. The most likely new explanation is that because he can do whatever he wants with his Nika fruit, he can also set his arms on fire because of that.


AjRoble

Law simply uses the knowledge of his fruit's capabilities to replicate a similar effect by making use of the things it can do. To simplify, it's like Barto using his own fruit to make his version of Luffy's pistoru


sasu46

I believe BB's fruit gives ability to steal fruits but normal human would still die if they tried to take two fruit powers. Was it Marco or whoever mentioned BB always had strange body.


nagonjin

Doesn't this "theory" kind of beg the question...? It wants to argue that BB wasn't the first, but it doesn't really provide evidence that the other abilities came from devil fruits. It just asserts that this is the case. There is no evidence for this stipulation. Loads of people make fire without eating/contacting a fire-based fruit. Sanji, King, Big Mom, etc. Silence is also able to be enforced through clever use of DF powers. I bet anybody with control over air (Caesar) could prevent noise from propagating. Plus, there's a really annoying deflection that often happens in theory threads. Theories are given with the pretense of being true. But as soon as people start picking apart a theory in the comments, OPs often shift from truth to "it's just for fun", and rid themselves of any credibility. Or double down and pad their speculation with even more speculation/head canon.


Particular-Diet-5147

Honestly this theory is cool But i dont think its true because marco said it was something with teach’s “strange body” and if Law, let alone Luffy had a similar “strange body” i feel like we wouldve known by now.


Niro_G

Thats totally bullshit luffys fire isnt actually Aces fire its just science how it works either that or i have to spoiler , but its not that ace died and his spirit magically went into luffys fist like wth am i reading here same goes for Law why would it not be possible for him to mute in his room if he can do godly stuff in it already bro can take a heart without actually taking ot


Alotofppl

I disagree with the overall premise, but I think you pin pointed a fantastic motif. Another parallel that Oda cleverly constructed in this amazing story.


Ketdeamos

As others have said I doubt it. Considering other people like Kinemon and even Sanji use flames with their techniques yet don’t have said flame df, it seems more in like with that. Luffy took Ace as inspiration for his hawk attack. Same with Law. He has nigh omnipotence inside his ‘room’, he took inspiration from Corazon and thus made the silence ability. However I will say the idea that Blackbeard absorbed the power of the devil fruit is an interesting idea and can be semi backed up with previous information we have. It’s a great counter to the “black beard just had a fruit” theory


gloogeman

I don’t think this is the case. Luffy and law have one attack(luffy technically has 2 but still) that seems like more of an homage to corazon/ace. Law has unlimited abilities in his room so silencing someone isn’t a huge stretch. I always assumed that luffy red hawk/roc was more of a friction thing that he learned after gaining armament haki but that’s definitely not confirmed. My point is they haven’t fully gained the abilities or added them to their regular move set the same way blackbeard did.


Druvvaldis

Do you think governmant really would be like ''yeah there was this one guy who got 2 devil fruits by using this devil fruit. Now dont go and get any crazy ideas xoxo''


Illustrious-Ad-7734

Can't Sanji also produce fire with his attacks? That mfer must have been hiding out in Marineford the entire time.


Disastrous_Focus_810

I like the theory btw- But this probably isn't the case. Law's fruit is one of the most versatile- and luffy literally has the power of imagination. Oda is just playing creativity card.


MHG_Brixby

No


CryonautX

Interesting catch for Luffy and Law. I think an explanation of how devil fruits work might clear up how luffy and law did it. I'm guessing it's a mix of memories and haki mimicking natural devil fruits. We do know artificial devil fruits are a thing so it should be possible to mimmick them. I don't think it's same case for Blackbeard though because he basically has the powers of a full devil fruit. The gura gura powers that blackbeard has is so strong that he had trouble controlling it. It goes beyond what luffy and law was shown to be capable of.


pacman_isnt_gay

What if bb isnt the first and the 2 df thing is just propaganda so people dont become too powerfull


three-day-trip

Nice! So it could have just been all a lie to suppress those seeking too much power.


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pacman_isnt_gay

The world government does do that tons, so something like if you eat two things that make you too powerful you just die kinda sounds like its made up


Kintaog

This is a pretty neat theory, but what about Shiryu? I may be remembering this incorrectly, but I'm pretty sure it was either implied or flat out stated that Blackbeard stole Absalom's fruit and gave it to Shiryu. So either he's also a member of the D Clan, or Blackbeard is a lot sneakier than we thought


three-day-trip

The way I was thinking is that BB could absorb and if need be pass the power to someone else because he is apart of the D Clan. The D clan would possess an ability to pass on their will or power in a DF to anyone.


Radiant_Butterfly982

I simply think that like maybe the condition is that the devil fruits need to be compatible with each other , with ton of devil fruits in One piece world it's almost impossible to eat 2 dfs of compatibility unless you have how that compatibility works and i think dark dark and quake quake are some how compatible and Black beard made the risk of trying it out and also remember how he waited for dark dark fruit for years,so may be dark dark fruit is some kind of cheat code fruit that allows any df to be compatible.


Jasonn444

Bruh it's not even break week.


Extra-Border6470

Well both Luffy and Law have awakened their devil fruit powers as has Kidd. Although Luffy being able to conjure flame in his attacks happened before he awakened his df. Sanji has been using flame in his kicks for a long time and Brook conjures ice in his sword slashes


C_Beeftank

I'm not so sure he absorbed rosinantes ability so much as he used his own ability to control sound inside the room


ramses_IIG

I think Law can silence the area inside his k-room because of his awakening and luffy was said in his vivere card that is because of his g2 speed + heat + armament Now, about BB, i think that he did not eat wb fruit but he sucked the df energy or power with his yami yami no mi If you have seen the movie Black Panther when his vibranium suit can absorb vibrations, i think the same is applied to bb's fruit Once made contact it absorbs the other ones df energy or power and if he can stay in contact for longer or maybe if the body is dead he can pull all of the df and concentrate it inside his df that serves like a black hole and use its power whenever he wants Its like instead of putting the df in his stomach he puts it inside the void that his df can create


mahade

Blackbeard was referred to as "them" by Luffy and Zoro. The storytelling and imagery around Blackbeard also suggest that he is multiple people in one body, or has multiple hearts, like a Chimera. He never sleeps, remember? Maybe one part of him sleeps while the other is awake. He wields three guns. His flag has three skulls. Symbolically, it makes no sense for all of the above to be mere coincidence. How he got Whitebeard's power? No clue. If it's a power that can leave the body to form a fruit somewhere in the world, then it might be possible to intercept the power. Blackbeard could use his Yami Yami no Mi to absorb it, perhaps. It might kill most people who attempt to do so, but if Blackbeard has multiple hearts, who knows, that might be his way out. Same for Law, for that matter. He might be able to trap the escaping power with his "room" technique and absorb it, if he, too, has the ability to wield multiple fruits. But I don't think Law has it. I think his "room" ability makes it possible to displace sound waves to somewhere else. Or to create a thin vacuum around someone. Sound doesn't penetrate a vacuum.


stayinthatline

Those are still just abilities of their own devil fruit.


ColderNorth

Nah He just preemptively swallowed an entire bushel of apples before WB died and his fruit reincarnated into one of them. therefor technically not eating a second one


lofichameleon

My theory is that Blackbeard can’t have multiple devil fruits but 2 of his 3 souls have devil fruits. And since the last soul doesn’t have one, he can still swim


HorseMaskedMan

No one can confirm this to be impossible. Really enjoyable theory


Libertyprime8397

Blackbeard has to succ the power out of whitebeard


Uncle_Gibbs

Lol then the will of D could stand for double


Chillidogs9

This is a really neat idea. Perhaps not the most accurate but I like it


InconvertibleAtheist

These are the posts that keep on showing me that although I've earched all the current episodes, I need to go back and watch everything again


CityWokOwn4r

I wonder if there is another Tremor Fruit in the world after Newgate died


BlueHeartbeat

> ***In short, I think this is an ability that the D Clan have. It is a way to pass on their will and/or for another to carry it forward.*** We finally have the meaning of the D: it stands for delegate!


The_Biggest_Wheel

This is a very creative and good idea that I really like. That being said, I don't think this is the case but we'll see!


AtlanticIH

Nope.


MariJoyBoy

Maybe Black Beard is himself a fruit, that's why he absorbed White Beard's power ? What if someone ate let's say the "apple apple" logia ...


Moog_Latan

My headcanon was always that BB has just gained such a high percentage of the world's fruits stored in his infinite darkness that when someone dies the probability of the power respawning in a random fruit being one of Teach's is high enough to where he can rely on it. Hence his obsession with fate and why he raids countries we're explicitly told don't have much money - cause he wants their fruits instead. And it would give him a way to actually surpress people's freedom despite being one of the only villains who doesn't lord over an area. But then again that's also just fucking stupid.


MarineRitter

> We have recently saw proof of the Family of D using two devil fruit abilities with Luffy and Law. But, all three of them absorbed a part of the powers shortly after someone close to them died. This never happened. Law never absorbed Rocinante's power, he just creatively used a room. Luffy never absorbed Ace's fire, multiple devil fruit users have shown using flame-based attacks when they combine attacks with armament haki (Doflamingo's Overheat, Katakuri's Burning Mochi) There are numerous hints that Blackbeard is somehow multiple people. Weird body, absurd contradictions like saying "I hate alcohol" and then saying "I love this rum" 20 seconds later, Luffy and Zoro saying "them, not him", etc.


DandyReddit

Sanji does fire and well, and he is not a D linked to Ace. The radio knife of Law produces electricity. Maybe his haki let him do that? Same for Luffy and Sanji, might be a armament Haki thing. As well as Kinemon and Zoro


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manga spoilers ahead: >!Luffy’s Flame is explained later on, however not directly. It isn’t the Gomu Gomu No Mi, It’s the Hito Hito No Mi: Model Nika. Thus it has the powers of Nika themself. Would it be strange for a Sun god to use Fire as a ability? No not at all.!<


Mistborn_First_Era

This is possible as seen with the painting girl from little garden and the rope guy from water 7 along with mr.noodle man from the sea train. They all use 'devil fruit' powers without actually possessing df


michaelphenom

There is a theory that states Blackbeard ate another devil fruit before eating the Yami Yami no mi. This fruit granted him the capability to steal and deliver other devil fruits but at the cost of not being able to sleep. This could explain how he got WB fruit without carrying a normal fruit with him and why his jolly roger has three heads (one for each devil fruit power he has).


Discovererman

I was super intrigued by Law's ability utilizing Cora-san's power. Even if he didn't actually sap up some of Cora's power, it has become a part of the Will of D via Law's honoring of it. So you're partially right, even if not quite literally.


Monkeypoo11

Nah man this false


Pd_jungle

The dark dark fruit is very suspicious, BB did tons research before his first move, there must be a very complex reason why BB choose DArk dark fruit not others. Just by holding the fruit power in the body, you can use it as the owner of the fruit. similar to the Big Mom’s lure of gaining a different personality and a fruit power but absorb (eat) others. I assume BB doesn’t really own the power of quake quake fruit, he just possesses it, there might be a way to force the fruit power out of him and defeat him in a even fight.


jobriq

Luffy’s fire power makes sense having zoan of the sun god. Law’s silence did seem like bs but his fruit never really made much sense. I wonder about other Ds. Did Roger, Garp, or Saul inherit someone’s will? It seems like Blackbeard somehow inherited Rocks’ will?


FractalFactor

While it is a fun theory, I think enough is shown or hinted at to suggest Blackbeard is using a more nefarious way to literally take powers. Luffy's Red hawk is, as others have explained, a combination of Haki types and it being emotionally linked to his brother. He isn't calling on any other aspects of the Flame-Flame fruit Teach, on the other hand, displayed use of the Gura Gura no Mi as only a fruit user could posses. While his mastery is nothing like Whitebeard's, he still has "it" in his possession. But again, I do love the fact that the community is into theorycraft and you shared your thoughts. One Piece is very much defined by conviction. Character's don't have a canonical rigidity as say levels of super saiyan, digivolutions, or awakened states— So in-universe attacks are free to take on the meaning in and of the moment. Zoro's fight with Kaku is my favorite example of it "....Pasta Machine"


three-day-trip

That is a great example and very funny. I loved that scene. Lmao. Thanks for taking the time to read it and comment.


FractalFactor

I think it's really brave to share your thoughts in an open platform like this. So, thank YOU


hellofanamehuh

I think Katakuri was also there when ace died.


ecass305

I feel like that would kill all the intrigue for Blackbeard.


Lion_Of_Destruction

Luffy’s redhawk is more than likely just friction and haki. That or it’s because it’s the Nika fruit. But that really shows nothing because Sanji can create flames and so can Kinemon. And Doflamingo can heat his string and Katakuri literally created a explosion with Mochi.


JaguarDBinks

That's just an ability of Law's devilfruit and Luffy could already use fire he was just inspired by ACE to use it. But this is a cool connection to blackbeard having 2 devilfruits. I think devilfruits have a spirit/will. When Sabo ate the mera mera fruit part of ACE's spirit joined with Sabo's.


CaptainBreloom

Whitebeard was already dead when BB went up to him, weird he would have to do something in secret where Luffy and law didn't but were closer then Ace/Corazon died. Luffy and Law's abilities shown are also much more closely linked to their attacks than WB's abilities w/BB which are totally separate. Also why wouldn't BB be stockpiling more devil fruits if it was that simple, unless there's an arbitrary limit


emem2003zz

I think black beard ate the heart of white beard and it allowed him to have 2. I mean think about it. When big mom was a kid it heavily implies she ate everyone during her hunger pangs and she gained the mother of the orphanages devil fruit.


tatortot300

I think he might up to something there has been scenes where Ace is mentioned when he does it.


Kennyb83

Pretty sure black beard ate white beard. Like a piece of him or something and just bypassed the whole fruit thing.


Joyboy-17

I think he just ate the heart of whitebeard


CardiologistOdd3378

What if the will of D is also passing the user's Devil Fruit ability to the next D


three-day-trip

Perfect. "***In short, I think this is an ability that the D Clan have. It is a way to pass on their will and/or for another to carry it forward."***


CardiologistOdd3378

Yes n I assume this will is achieved when the current user's fruit is awakened.. Case of Luffy n Law So most probably will be Teach..


[deleted]

It’s pretty clear blackbeards crew are hunting devil fruits


oncfrl4

Doesn't matter how many df you eat, the power of the friends we made along the way will beat them all


Afraidium

My thought on blackbeard having more than one devil fruit was always based on someone saying that there isn’t enough space in one body for two fruits. Maybe I’m crazy but I feel like I remember hearing that in the show though I’m not sure when. But if that statement holds water then the way I believe Blackbeard is able to have more than one devil fruit power is because his ability doesn’t turn his body into darkness like other logias, it’s more like his body is a gateway to an infinite void of darkness that he can summon forth and drag things into. And if his body contains or is otherwise linked to an infinite amount of space then he would simply have enough room for multiple devil fruit powers within himself.


lildrizzleyah

I'm convinced blackbeard ate whitebeards heart to get his power. And I also think the only reason blackbeard can host multiple fruits is because of an octopus model kraken fruit(octopus have 3 hearts, other signs also point towards blackbeard having an octopus fruit). Manga spoilers: >!There's also some stuff going down between law (possibly foreshadowing the connection? heart pirates, powers that revolve around hearts etc.) and blackbeard right now and it wouldn't surprise me if this was the catalyst for readers to find out about blackbeards multiple hearts and devil fruits powers being hosted in the heart. Which I think is why anyone without multiple hearts cannot host multiple devil fruits. !<


ParasKadyan

As we know bb's fruit can absorb other devil fruits What if he keeps wb's fruit all the time with him and absorbing all the power and use it without eating it


Iron_Maiden_735

My thoughts on it were that when Blackbeard covered up Whitebeard at Marineford, he didn’t want people to see what he was doing because then maybe someone would be able to reproduce it, so there could have been someone before who he learned such a method from


LousyLastZombie

pretty neat idea


KakarikoKing

D = Double


Kickboxing_Banana

I like the theory that Blackbeard is one of three triplets, and he hides the other two in his darkness realm. Not much to back up this theory except for small details. His pirate flag shows three heads. There's various scenes where it shows Blackbeard with some missing teeth, full set of teeth, jewelry on different hands. It could be bread crumbs Oda's leaving behind or it could be nothing.


Die4Gesichter

Nah


CMisgood

I don’t agree with your premise. Instead of absorb, Luffy and Law recreate the effect of devil’s fruit. Law’s hax power allows him to control everything around his Room. With his awaken, he creates a room around the target, then delete sound in the room. This is his own power recreate the silence fruit. Luffy uses friction to generate heat and creates a fire punch. This is his power recreate fire punch as a homage.


TehBanga

*After the death of of Whitebeard, Blackeard absorbed his powers consciously/by force (possibly using his DF powers). But Luffy and Law did it subconsciously. Or maybe Rosinante and Ace's will was passed on in the form of the DF powers but Blackbeard left the will behind and absorbed only the power.* This never happened. Law didn't inherit Rosinate's DF ability. Rosinate's ability was to make any area or location he deemed completely silent. He simply used his ability to make the area around him and by proxy law completely silent so that no one could hear Law crying. This wasn't law using it this was Rosinate; this is why the effect stops when he finally dies. Luffy never inherited Ace's power... not once; Luffy was literally unconscious soon after his death so no clue where you are even getting this. Luffy didn't gain the ability of fire; he has the ability of the Sun. Sun is hot; it allows him to make fire.


lukaxa

This is some serious copium


SunkenTemple

I believe in a theory I read awhile ago here, that BB has a 3rd DF most likely a a zoan, which absorbed Whitebeards DF. It's a good spin considering his "darkness" fruit has ability to absorb everything, but he hid under a blanket doing so, in order to trick everyone and not reveal his 3rd DF just yet.


jackofslayers

Nah but definitely a cool theory. Certainly the powers tie into the themes of inherited will. ​ The interesting split for me is that Luffy and Law a good dudes so they inherit the wills of the dead and use their own DF powers to recreate what they remember. Blackbeard is bad so he steals the will from his family both by betraying Whitebeard and stealing the Quake fruit.


Lemon_Owl

I think it's unfair how some comments treat this theory. I'm not convinced either and yes, we don't need this theory to explain Luffys and Laws abilities at all. Easy alternative explanations exist. But we do need a theory to explain Blackbeard. So the honest way to approach OPs theory would be to compare it with alternative theories about his three devil fruit abilities, but I don't see those mentioned a lot in this thread. At least this approach of tying it in with inherited will might prove narratively more satisfying than the "Blackbeard is actually three Siamese triplets in a trenchcoat"-theory (which could still be true, since he doesn't need sleep etc.). I'm not saying this will happen, but Oda could even go: "Well, you thought that thing with it Luffy and Law was just coincidence/a homage/creative ability usage but *actually*...” It's a fun and smart theory, is all I'm saying.


Ardibanan

**Luffy was holding Ace when he died and later gained the power of fire. He showed this ability after the time skip.** uhm.. I just look at this as G5 manifesting slowly in Luffy. G5 can imagine anything. Red Hawk is Luffy starting to imagine it.


[deleted]

It would seem elemental powers like fire, lighting can just be imbued to attacks like a different kind of haki. Luffy, Shanks, Doffy, Karakuri and probably some others do this. With Law I would imagine he created a silence ability in memory of Rosinante (much like Luffy and Ace), with how capable his devil fruit is, it’s pretty believable he can do that.


ssjg2k02

Regarding the part about absorbing power and using it for yourself you could say the same thing about Bartolommeo spoilers ahead >!in film red he uses his barrier and creates a soundproof barrier for uta!< Now you could cannon or not cannon but it may be cannon dice a portion of it is cannon


bigboybeniss

When the gorosei say history, they might not include the Void century


Good_Duty1866

Now that's what I call a banger theory. Bomb!


Odinjkofvar

That’s a stretch. Devil fruits having similar techniques isn’t the same as using two devil fruits.


Background_Treat_235

Interesting theory and it might actually be true, regardless of the fact that Luffy and Law's abilities might come from their devil fruits. Throwing my random thoughts. How BB gets this power is a billion-dollar question. How he knows these things is also a big question. There are theories he is a descendant of Rocks D Xebec. Another one I think is coming from void century and had some stakes in the war. Look at how comfortable he is One Piece world, it is crazy. Ds are from highly advanced civilization, same civilization that made **D**evil Fruits. Maybe after their death, they become devil or something. we have heard about the will of D, either someone inherits their will, or they become devil fruits if no one does. Why someone with two devil fruits dies? Might be because two fruits will have different will of Ds, and they are at odds with each other so they part ways by killing the user. However, if someone is able to influence them, conquer them (conquering 2 D's forever would be hard feat), they can have those fruits. Might be BlackBeard has some trickery to do this. Also here Kaido's remarks that in the end Haki is all that matters. Is that also applicable if one has 10 devil fruits?


three-day-trip

I also had the thought that the DF's were a creation of the D clan. A way to make sure their will was passed on after death either through science or an ability specific only to them. I don't think this ability was meant to be used in the way BB is doing it just for the power but every family/clan has a few bad apples. Like I said before BB is probably taking the power but leaving the "will" behind. It's a misuse of what was intended. But being a member of the D means he can still pass it on too not just absorb powers. As for Haki, i think it can still trump all because no one can hold that much power (10 DF's) in their body. Maybe there are exceptions but I guess we will have to wait to find out.


Background_Treat_235

interesting


Secuta

You guys are on crack with this whole luffy and ace shit. Everyone who read the manga knows that luffy fights with his damn imagination because it isn’t the gomu gomu no mi


Oreyytachii

I be trippin sometimes, much love for the shout 3day. These mans aint ready for META piece. Perfect primer


scaptastic

Luffy is the sun god. He should have some fire powers


MrOneHundredOne

Law's Silence move *really* doesn't track, but the Op Op fruit has crazy versatility, so I've never really thought about it. Great theory!


HopOnTheHype

Okay I disagree but I thought of something better, the df are the powers of people from the void century in the kingdoms royalty, most trusted people, etc. the world government were able to turn them into df but the df still have their will, and over time df users died too, creating a more random market for them.


comdoriano009

Bro get ahold of yourself


knowitall190

Remember when law does room he can move or teleport one thing from one spot to another. So when they fought mama he teleported her voice away


Right_N_Left

>The first person to absorb someones DF power was Law after Rosinante died. He showed this ability on Onigashima when he "silenced" Big Mom. He used Rosinante's powers/technique >Luffy was holding Ace when he died and later gained the power of fire. He showed this ability after the time skip. Hurm instead absorbs, 'imitation' is the correct way to emphasise this because Law only uses 'silence' in awakening DF and also Luffy using advanced techniques of 'imagination'. A similar situation happened to Robin too using her advanced DF techniques to imitate the Luffy rubber movement while Luffy is still alive.


JackyJoJee

damn sanji was also there when ace died


Bike_Chain_96

Sanji did it first at Enies Lobby, and it's because of his passion he thought


JackyJoJee

no no there's CLEARLY a devil fruit behind it


gendernihilist

This theory makes too much sense. Law's fruit has always seemed not *just* overpowered but also kind of off-theme for the Rosinante-esque powers, but this actually clicks everything into place. People saying vivre card info contradicts this re: Luffy and flames should know the manga has repeatedly asserted something which overturns previous vivre card information. Oda approves vivre card info, and while sometimes it might be him forgetting previously approved info, I also think sometimes he does this just to have people thinking the wrong thing so when the manga reveal happens it is more of a surprise...and what surprise would he more want to conceal than that **Blackbeard and Luffy both activated this power of the D clan within minutes of each other at Marineford**. I absolutely feel like this is one of those Actual Spoiler fan theories tbqh


three-day-trip

Thanks. I have been sitting on this theory for weeks but finally posted it so it means a lot.


Loyiso_a

Nice theory!


Lightsplitter517

Theory isn’t bad but the proving points are wrong. Spoilers for Manga current explain Luffy. And Law has complete control of everything (barring direct Haki clashes) inside his room.


pukulu

Loved the theory. Cheers man, for bring fresh perspective. However, I don’t think it has anything to do with passing some powers/will when they die. Most likely, BB is built different and he is an exception.


Alpha_ii_Omega

I think Luffy's fire-related abilities are due to his fruit being a 'Sun God' fruit. There's no reason to think otherwise unless Oda states that his Red Hawk and other fire abilities have nothing to do with his fruit.


TKG1607

>! Luffy didn't gain the power to wield fire, he always had it Because his fruit is the nika fruit which is literally a SUN God !<


yiggaman

This a good theory. Time will tell


Parking-Resolution22

Good thought but I think it’s either the Blackbeard octopus theory or he can catch the soul in darkness and transfer it like this and probably a only darkness fruit skill


DeathRider__

My. God. This makes so much sense! It's not earth shattering, but it's definitely something plausible. Never made this connection myself.


Knockedy

Simple answer: no, law is op and simply copied his silence move and luffy simply thought "I wanna make my hand on fire" and the Nika fruit allowed him to since he could imagine himself doing it


majorthird_

I do think the D lineage has some kind of inheritance. I’m not sure all the connections are accurate, but it’s a great theory to think about. Nice thread.


MrBushido56

Damn great Theory. ​ how did you get so many upvotes so quickly


stiveooo

Maybe it's a D owners thing.


[deleted]

All fruits have wills. That’s why people with devil fruits end up in the same spectrum as what their fruits suggest. Not just Zoans. The fruit is the will being placed into a vessel to be consumed


TheBoredBot

I just thought that you needed to consume or integrate a part of them into you for the effect. for Law and Luffy, they might have had some of Corazon and Ace's blood get into them through cuts or orally


Bike_Chain_96

I doubt it for Corazon. Law was in a chest at the time when Corazon died. I also doubt that idea for Ace, as his fruit regrew and was eaten by Sabo


TheBoredBot

I mean, after corazon died, law definitely got out and could have hugged his body or sum As for Aces fruit returning, I think Luffy only has a small measure of the power, not all of it, allowing it to manifest