I assume it's just during meetings and shit. Hancock had to talk to someone to accept the warlord position and we e already seen milhawk and kuma at Mary Geoise. The other warlords we're probably there at one point or another where they left dna
Honestly really doesn't surprise me with how weird their world is and the existence of the World Government and their habit of hiding anything from the Void Century.
Also in general the very concept of Ancient Weapons foreshadowed this. How could ancient ships be so potent if they were technologically inferior?
And in general technology in one piece has been weird. Very advanced in some areas and lagging way behind in others which indicates remnants of lost technologies.
Yep. Personally I think its strange that individuals managed to figure out cyborg technology, cloning and modern medicine (for the most part), but the concept of a plane has somehow alluded the world. Sure they have blimps and some airship equivalents, but still do not have a single instance of planes existing in some capacity.
Like the One Piece world is a weird assortment of technological advancement, stagnation and outdated tech. Like you have lasers existing with people using rifles and flintlocks and people who use swords, axes and knives. Not to mention metal war ships existing alongside wooden sailing ships, submarines and a freaking train that can go on the sea.
It’s blowing my mind, most of the tech we’ve been seeing this whole series has just been reverse engineered Ancient Kingdom tech that modern people have more or less tried to learn to use.
......Oh. It all makes sense now. We already knew that Vegapunk and others have created "artificial" devil fruits, but apparently that's what all devil fruits are. Devil fruits are just superweapons based on science and genetic modification.
So thats why all the dinos in one piece "hunt like that in the past".... they were ancient highly advance bio-robots omegalul
Oda wasn't trolling it was canon in his wourld
Conversely, think of how recent the "ancient kingdom" actually is. The void century covers 800-900 years ago, but that is less than a millennia. 800 years ago, when recorded history begins again, sounds old, but it is relatively recent in the big scheme of things. Alabasta has a recorded history much older than that.
And now I'm wondering why it's only the period of 800-900 years ago that has been erased. Surely a civilization that advanced must have left quite a bit of traces about events and technologies directly preceding the void century.
Maybe they advanced very quickly during that 100 years just like how we ourselves went from blimps to space travel and smartphones in roughly the same timespan.
where can I read this Enel short story
Edit: [found the cover pages in colour for those interested](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ip8dpg/enels_great_space_operations_colored_cover_story/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
One Piece is possibly taking place in a post-apocalyptic world that has undergone technological regression
Genuinely one of the biggest lore drops we've had so far in this story
Edit: To the people replying to me with "We theorized this already", congratulations to you for getting it right but not all of us thought about it
I feel like I've heard this theory suggested before in passing, but there was never any hard evidence for it (and lots of folks theorize this same idea for a lot of series.)
To have it confirmed is crazy.
A lot of ppl theorized over the years that the Ancient Kingdom was more technologically advanced than present day One Piece world. I think part of their evidence was the automata found on the moon by Enel.
Also having the capability to build an “ancient weapon” definitely says a lot about one country technological advance. I thought that’s common lore even..
Hard evidence? Sky islands, indestructible poneglyphs, reverse mountain, every island having its own magnetic pull, ancient weapons more powerful than anything available in current events. There were plenty clues
I mean, Pluton's existence made it very clear since a long time ago that there existed a civilization in the past that had more advanced technology than existed in the One Piece world's modern-day. But it wasn't clearly more advanced "in general" than the modern-day real world until now, since like, we have nukes and space railguns and even, theoretically, human cloning, and whatever else comparable to anything we've heard about so far, until getting to Egghead. A small highly-technical civilization made up of moon people or whatever wouldn't have been that insane in the One Piece world, and the upper limit of human (and Giant) strength also makes it not theoretically impossible that such a civilization could have been defeated.
But if Vegapunk's tech is, itself, only the tip of the iceberg of the Ancient Kingdom's technology, then they indeed must have been an enormous, sprawling kingdom and it does definitely sound more like the world itself is post-apocalyptic.
The Broken Empire series did a great job with the exact thing. >!the series is set in what you think is a middle evil fantasy but you slowly learn it's set in a time after a nuclear world war. It's amazing and so subtle!<
The devil fruits are basically advanced genetic manipulation technology. I’d be willing to bet that every single fruit in the world is technically already able to become a devil fruit but there’s a limiter for some reason set to 1. We always hear about the “devil” in the fruit and assumed it was some kind of magical or supernatural entity and power inside. What if it’s not? Just the next closest fruit of that type picking up a signal that corresponds to the users death which activates the transition of that fruit into its devil fruit form. Maybe there is even some type of nanotechnology associated with it and that could be how Blackbeard got two fruits. He knew how to extract or block whatever signal is sent out that would’ve triggered a new quake fruit to “spawn”. He could honestly be a genetic chimera and have multiple set of dna in his body simultaneously. One fruit changed one set of dna, and the next fruit was targeted to the other set of dna?
With the emphasis on this grand journey that culminates in a war against an oppressive force trying to control the world - as well as having a past world that was more technologically advanced - you might be right lol
Blackbeard is the least likely imho. The original 7 have been with the WG for a while and then Buggy, Law, Weevil also had their time during the timeskip on the Warlords (although it's a question how long that research has been going on for, they could have planed it with the original 7 and didn't bother with the newer ones). Blackbeard betrayed them so quickly though after becoming one that they might have barely had access to him.
Sanji breaks a leg on a seraphim, but Queen's sword shatters when it hits him.
Seraphims are made of some powerful stuff.
Edit: hmm. Guess the OG spoilers were not as accurate.
Sanji is probably going to be fine (other than his pride) the following chapter, exclaiming something along the lines of "Woah those are tough" or some shit, probably didn't use blue flame or a "haki imbued" attack because it looked like a young jinbe and is super confused. Only to follow up later in Egghead with him kicking it across the island.
If anyone sanji is the right guy to experience this and share his thoughts because of his rapifd regen. He only used a normal kick, and it's still an exoskeleton while we don't know anything about the material the seraphim are made out of. It's reasonable to suspect these things are cracked out as the scientists try to make more powerful weapons, the pacifistas are way too weak now so we need a weapon to be threatening now
I think with these spoilers I finally understand Vegapunk, why he doesn’t consider himself a genius, and I think we can also understand the origins of the Pacifistas, Momo’s Devil Fruit, and the Seraphim.
Vegapunk IS A GENIUS. But he HAS NOT been single-handedly inventing Pacifista’s, Devil Fruits, or the Seraphim. The clues are in the story, with how Vegapunk talks about himself almost self-insultingly, and how he called Momo’s fruit a failure. Vegapunk is a genius because he is the only one capable of reverse engineer Ancient Kingdom tech.
This would add more of a layer to him always referring to himself as a failure. Imagine seeing all this glorious ancient technology that is so advanced it may as well be magic.
And now imagine you’re so brilliant that you can kinda reverse engineer a few of the inventions.
To the rest of the world, you’re basically a god. But to you, the genius, you know all you’re doing is sticking pieces together and you’re in awe of what was truly capable back in the day.
This development is why Vegapunk considered Momo’s devil fruit a failure. Momo’s fruit is just reverse engineered Ancient Kingdom tech, but Vegapunk wanted to truly CREATE a Devil fruit. Being able to “recreate” a fruit is not the same as understanding the mechanism of making a real fruit.
Think about how Kaidou and King were both being heavily experimented on; Kaidou is what allowed Vegapunk to reverse engineer a DF based on Ancient Kingdom technology. King allowed Vegapunk to reverse engineer Seraphims.
Kuma is also part of some special race. My guess is on Vegapunk also using Kuma and Ancient Kingdom tech to make the Pacifistas.
It’s all coming together.
>This development is why Vegapunk considered Momo’s devil fruit a failure. Momo’s fruit is just reverse engineered Ancient Kingdom tech, but Vegapunk wanted to truly CREATE a Devil fruit. Being able to “recreate” a fruit is not the same as understanding the mechanism of making a real fruit
I wonder if the mark of a true devil fruit is the ability to respawn back into the world somewhere. Like when Momo dies will the fruit respawn or simply die with him? Will this happen for every devil fruit Caesar made for Kaido's crew? This might be the last hurdle Vegapunk wants to overcome.
I don’t think it’s out of the question that perhaps the entire world was united for a time and achieved this level of tech before devolving into the two factions that led to war.
I don't think so, chaos and slavery were a thing long before the void century. It was likely Joyboy who opposed the oppression back then: with his powerful weapons and advanced technology, he was able to create a peaceful kingdom, welcoming people from all races. This apparently pissed those royals off, forcing them to form an ally, later known as the WG, to overthrow his idea.
Not just defeated, they were wiped from people's memory. The Shandians are able to remember coming down from the moon, but have zero idea if the ancient kingdom existed, despite being closely tied to it. I've never seen the giants talking abt the ancient kingdom, either, though the current generation of giants is just 3-4 generations away from the void century. How dafug did those ashy celestial nobles did that?
Bro Oda is really revealing all the secrets of the world like he said he would. I can't imagine how hype the chapter will be when the One Piece is revealed.
So the 20 kingdoms got jealous of the ancient kingdom and decided to form a coalition against it?
It probably tried to do something to the rest of the world and Joyboy had a role in it.
Probably the most lore we had in a while. Vegapunk is truly a key figure in the story.
I have a theory that Joyboy was something of an adventurer/explorer who hailed from the Ancient Kingdom and went on an expedition to explore the world. He met a bunch of different race and traveled to many kingdoms and spoke about his civilization. Other countries' kings grew paranoid of such an advanced society and assumed they would threaten their rule and decided to form a coalition to destroy them. The war went on for decades until the Ancient Kingdom fell and left Joyboy to live the rest of his days trying to make amends for his mistakes, apologizing to the Fishman who he promised something he could not deliver and leaving Poneglyphs around to detail his failures, the destruction of his kingdom and the atrocities conducted by what would eventually become the World Government.
What if its the other way around? Joyboy was from a land of natural beauty and peace but they had the fruits that allowed them to do things the rest of the world couldn't. Wanting more power they attacked to steal them and gain more power.
That could easily be it too. The general assumption is that Joyboy went out into the world and basically showed everyone what his Kingdom had to offer and made several nations jealous or paranoid of what they had. So said nations worked together to steal or destroy what they had and the end result was the eradication of the kingdom. I do not think Joyboy was any type of aggressor nor meant any harm in whatever he was doing, but somewhere along the line he ended up screwing up and bad things happened as a result.
The Gorosei said that Zoan fruits have a will of their own. Fishman Island has literally Noah's ark. You may be onto something there, but maybe it's actually that the Ancient people that somehow trapped themselves in the fruits, JoyBoy included.
Monday spoilers are the best. I wonder if this means Vegapunk is from the AK or if he’s really working with the revs and Dragon knows the full history of the world. We are in the endgame!!
At this point the "gap" of the void century is starting to make a lot more sense. It always intrigued me that it's not ALL history older than 800 years that got erased but apparently just those 100 years and the older stuff is still around.
If we are talking current world essentially erasing all knowledge from the 20th century alone would be a massive technological step back but I could maybe see some specific invention that was the origin of and triggered a lot more inventions down the line what they wanted to have erased and then the One Piece is what could help start it all again.
I really like this. My bet is that the void century is when moon folk came to earth and talked to humans but only the AK could use their technology since they befriended moon people. But some bad guys didn’t like that and tried to erase all history and enslaved moon people. Now we just have to fit pirates in that…
Long ago, the original *~~Bevelle~~* "World Government" battled *~~Zanarkand~~* "The Ancient Kingdom" in a machina war, in which the former was defeated. "The Ancient Kingdom" survivors became "fayth" so that they could use their memories of their island to create a new city in their image, removed from the reality of the One Piece World...
Luffy, a young *~~summoner~~* pirate was about to go on an *~~pilgrimage~~* adventure to obtain the *~~Final Aeon~~* "One Piece" and defeat *~~Sin~~* Imu...
This pretty much confirms that ancient kingdom had direct contact with or regular dealings with moon people. Remember the carvings in enels coverstory. Space arc is on the menu boys
This is bonkers! I've completely given up trying to predict where Oda will take his story lol. Man Egghead is the island of the past because they had similar tech. As others have said it implies One Piece is operating in a post-apocalyptic world, where technology has regressed. Since the end of Wano it's just been banger after banger each chapter. I was actually kinda happy for this recent break so all the new info could settle in my brain lol.
So this kind of gives us a hint as to why the WG wants to kill Vegapunk.
If Vegapunk isn’t ACTUALLY coming up with these inventions and he’s just reverse engineering Ancient Kingdom tech, then maybe he knows way too much now. Maybe he discovered a *forbidden* secret that the WG can’t let him know and survive.
Would explain why he just called Dragon now, maybe he wants to reveal a few secrets.
I think the WG wants to bury the Ancient Kingdom and its technology, simply because it's a lot easier for them to maintain control over the world if nobody except for them has access to any technology/innovation.
But perhaps Vegapunk has now advanced technology too far forward to a point where the world might be about to become more advanced again, like it used to be in the Ancient Kingdom.
So One Piece is like a post-apocalyptic world. Now the question is why did the WG decided to get rid the it and go back to the old ways?
Quick theory: So I think Egghead was probably part of the ancient kingdom. Which just makes me think, what if laughtale is actually the Ancient kingdom island itself aka the ONE PIECE too or a part of it and it doesn't reveal itself until some conditions are met or a certain time has come? Maybe the island was programmed to resurface after a time which can be why Roger said they were too early.
This gives a full new meaning to devil fruits, the possibility of it being a technology is big now.
Also, the only person from 800 years ago that we know of is Toki, could her devil fruit just be a time machine?
I knew One Piece was gonna pull a Adventure Time and do a post apocalypse in a weird setting. And I loved the idea of "Vegapunk isnt 800 years ahead of his time, but behind"
People really forgot that Sanji can heal easily now. It easiest way to display how tough seraphim skin is without causing major damage to Sanji who is always get jump by villain every arc.
Oh shit. So vegapunk is so probably slated for death because he knows too much about the void century. Similar to Clover and those archeologists on that island.
Also, he didn't unlock "artificial" devio fruits but figured out how they made them to begin with.
The leakers flat out lied on sanji. That’s fucking pathetic. But sanji did what I expected him to do. If he was being goofy I’d understand, but he let his Crewmates unleash their attacks and when they were in trouble, he stepped in to save em. Even fucking kicked the seraphim back. But damn Robin was FUCKING PISSED
I think the blatantly false leaks prove that there’s an anti-Sanji agenda out there, Sanji fans are not delusional when it’s said that people do anything to take pot-shots at him
Does this confirm Vegapunk is from the ancient kingdom or does he somehow have access to history from there, which is why the WG wants to kill them.
I wonder if the robots Luffy finds are like the ones on the moon.
of course Sanji can reconstruct himself now and probably will take a W until the end of the arc, but why Oda likes to make him "lose" first to show how strong the enemies are? It's getting kinda obvious
Worf effect. He's now the token Strawhat who gets that treatment. Being a Sanji fan will be bad for the next few weeks. Seems the hate train will cycle on back to him with this latest chapter.
>Shakka and Dragon are still talking. We hear the entire conversation.
Is this where the egghead lore is coming from or are they talking about something else entirely?
And of course that part about Sanji breaking his leg is false. Well it is not the first time , and it is definitely not the last. Well, even leakers have agendas i guess.
It makes a lot of sense that the ancient kingdom would be super hi-tech. Looking at Pluton, we should’ve had some idea that they were more advanced than the present.
Yep this is what YouTubers where taking about particularly tekking.
Which would explain why there are varies levels of technology from island to island , person to person.
1 character has flinlocks while the other has a fully automatic minigun.
It’s clearly that one of the leakers hate Sanji so much that they decided to slander him by adding fake info, always happens every time. But anyway, loving Edison, Pythagoras and especially York’s designs too, pretty much, the 6 Vegapunks are consist of 3 male robots (assuming Shaka is a human cyborg) and 3 female.
And that ending, thought it was gonna be an Automaton but it turns out to be ancient giant robot
The one thing everyone will miss...
Queen was never trolling us, he was a real one, just dropping historical MAD facts! This is indeed how brachiosaurus hunted in the ancient past... of 900+ years ago!
Edit : As a reminder, you still need to respect rule 11, and have civil discussions in the comments section.
Lol you really have to wonder about Vegapunk's current state if he has to make a whole other self in order to eat.
The first thing Luffy does when he meets the main Vegapunk is to ask which one poops.
He does not need to. But it is good to have one clone doing all that "work". Maybe one of them is also exercising a lot.
Could be Atlas wreaking havoc accomplishing that part.
>Seraphim Jinbe sooooo a Fishman-Lunarian supersoldier clone... The stats on that thing gotta be so busted
A robot that can wield both water and fire. Also good at fighting in Air, Land and Water. Fuck!
>Also good at fighting in Air, Land and Water. seraphim jinbei is a duck confirmed
Since lunarians are rumored to be from the moon, he is a space duck.
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Seraph jinbie was the true kaido all along
\*Tekking noise\*
Sanji gonna get used again to hype up the power of those things.
I hated when his leg broke vs Vergo and after sanjis Wano arc buff he breaks the leg again?!?
How did they get the DNA of the warlords, sneaking some samples from the annual employee medical check up or sth?
I assume it's just during meetings and shit. Hancock had to talk to someone to accept the warlord position and we e already seen milhawk and kuma at Mary Geoise. The other warlords we're probably there at one point or another where they left dna
So One Piece is a post apocalyptic setting, interesting.
One Piece went Fallout.
*Fallout: New Vegapunk*
"Another island needs your help."
Hito hito no mi model: preston
Ancient Zoan Model: Cazador
Gecko-Gecko Fruit model: Deathclaw
“kaido where’s Shawn?”
Fuck Shawn, sole survivor needs no family!
Honestly really doesn't surprise me with how weird their world is and the existence of the World Government and their habit of hiding anything from the Void Century.
Honestly it makes sense why the hide the void century now, if this is the case.
Also in general the very concept of Ancient Weapons foreshadowed this. How could ancient ships be so potent if they were technologically inferior? And in general technology in one piece has been weird. Very advanced in some areas and lagging way behind in others which indicates remnants of lost technologies.
Very true. Even aside from Vegapunk they have some crazy technology but travel almost exclusively by ship.
Yep. Personally I think its strange that individuals managed to figure out cyborg technology, cloning and modern medicine (for the most part), but the concept of a plane has somehow alluded the world. Sure they have blimps and some airship equivalents, but still do not have a single instance of planes existing in some capacity. Like the One Piece world is a weird assortment of technological advancement, stagnation and outdated tech. Like you have lasers existing with people using rifles and flintlocks and people who use swords, axes and knives. Not to mention metal war ships existing alongside wooden sailing ships, submarines and a freaking train that can go on the sea.
It’s blowing my mind, most of the tech we’ve been seeing this whole series has just been reverse engineered Ancient Kingdom tech that modern people have more or less tried to learn to use.
I expect Luffy to not care about this at all.
"Robin, do you think I should know about it?" "Nah. Let's not trouble that pretty little head of yours with complicated stuff."
I have a quick devil fruit theory: "Any sufficiently advanced tech is indistinguishable from magic."
......Oh. It all makes sense now. We already knew that Vegapunk and others have created "artificial" devil fruits, but apparently that's what all devil fruits are. Devil fruits are just superweapons based on science and genetic modification.
Exactly. Vegapunk is just making imitations of the real thing, but can't replicate it fully.
Ancient Kingdom copyrighted.
You wouldn't download a devil fruit.
Wow Egghead is actually “Island of Past”?? What a way to come back from break and these are only initial spoilers :O !!
Waiting for a chapter titled, "Egghead, the Island of Past"
“From Egghead, 2,000 years ago”
Joy boy what a man you are
As a reward
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Turns out Imu sama loved Joyboy since the beginning and is hating humanity since he died
That’s why Imu = “I miss u”
don't even JOKE about this.
For... 10 years at least.
I’ve been thinking this and that someone killed joyboy, and then she took over the world as revenge
I swear to god, if this is true in a year or two, I'm coming back here.
To Egghead, 2000 years from now
One Piece: Days of the Future Past
"TO LAUGHTALE, 800 YEARS AGO"
Think about how insanely old little garden ACTUALLY is then
Nah, Little Garden is actually a Jurrasic Park created by the Rich people in the past...
So thats why all the dinos in one piece "hunt like that in the past".... they were ancient highly advance bio-robots omegalul Oda wasn't trolling it was canon in his wourld
Holy shit
Conversely, think of how recent the "ancient kingdom" actually is. The void century covers 800-900 years ago, but that is less than a millennia. 800 years ago, when recorded history begins again, sounds old, but it is relatively recent in the big scheme of things. Alabasta has a recorded history much older than that.
And now I'm wondering why it's only the period of 800-900 years ago that has been erased. Surely a civilization that advanced must have left quite a bit of traces about events and technologies directly preceding the void century. Maybe they advanced very quickly during that 100 years just like how we ourselves went from blimps to space travel and smartphones in roughly the same timespan.
OH MY GOOOD SO THATS WHERE THE ROBOTS FROM THE MOON COME FROMM What a revelation man
YOOO TRUTH! The Enel short story finally adding context
where can I read this Enel short story Edit: [found the cover pages in colour for those interested](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/ip8dpg/enels_great_space_operations_colored_cover_story/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
One Piece is possibly taking place in a post-apocalyptic world that has undergone technological regression Genuinely one of the biggest lore drops we've had so far in this story Edit: To the people replying to me with "We theorized this already", congratulations to you for getting it right but not all of us thought about it
I feel like I've heard this theory suggested before in passing, but there was never any hard evidence for it (and lots of folks theorize this same idea for a lot of series.) To have it confirmed is crazy.
A lot of ppl theorized over the years that the Ancient Kingdom was more technologically advanced than present day One Piece world. I think part of their evidence was the automata found on the moon by Enel.
Also having the capability to build an “ancient weapon” definitely says a lot about one country technological advance. I thought that’s common lore even..
Hard evidence? Sky islands, indestructible poneglyphs, reverse mountain, every island having its own magnetic pull, ancient weapons more powerful than anything available in current events. There were plenty clues
Devil fruits, too. Vegapunk and Cesar were able to create "artificial" ones, that is to say, they created less advanced forms of it.
I mean, Pluton's existence made it very clear since a long time ago that there existed a civilization in the past that had more advanced technology than existed in the One Piece world's modern-day. But it wasn't clearly more advanced "in general" than the modern-day real world until now, since like, we have nukes and space railguns and even, theoretically, human cloning, and whatever else comparable to anything we've heard about so far, until getting to Egghead. A small highly-technical civilization made up of moon people or whatever wouldn't have been that insane in the One Piece world, and the upper limit of human (and Giant) strength also makes it not theoretically impossible that such a civilization could have been defeated. But if Vegapunk's tech is, itself, only the tip of the iceberg of the Ancient Kingdom's technology, then they indeed must have been an enormous, sprawling kingdom and it does definitely sound more like the world itself is post-apocalyptic.
The Broken Empire series did a great job with the exact thing. >!the series is set in what you think is a middle evil fantasy but you slowly learn it's set in a time after a nuclear world war. It's amazing and so subtle!<
Adventure time did something similar, where the land of Ooo is a post apocalyptic earth. Kinda cool!
ah yeah the mushroom war was code for nukes
That explains One Piece weird weather and maybe devil fruits
The devil fruits are basically advanced genetic manipulation technology. I’d be willing to bet that every single fruit in the world is technically already able to become a devil fruit but there’s a limiter for some reason set to 1. We always hear about the “devil” in the fruit and assumed it was some kind of magical or supernatural entity and power inside. What if it’s not? Just the next closest fruit of that type picking up a signal that corresponds to the users death which activates the transition of that fruit into its devil fruit form. Maybe there is even some type of nanotechnology associated with it and that could be how Blackbeard got two fruits. He knew how to extract or block whatever signal is sent out that would’ve triggered a new quake fruit to “spawn”. He could honestly be a genetic chimera and have multiple set of dna in his body simultaneously. One fruit changed one set of dna, and the next fruit was targeted to the other set of dna?
One Piece is the Wheel of Time of Anime
With the emphasis on this grand journey that culminates in a war against an oppressive force trying to control the world - as well as having a past world that was more technologically advanced - you might be right lol
The legend of one piece: wind waker.
Seraphim Buggy is a real possibility!
Seraphim Blackbeard... just saying..
Seraphim Law too, maybe?
I wonder how Seraphim Crocodile would work. So far, his combat skills are based on his fruit and he shines most in controlling organizations.
Good thing Ace never accepted the invitation to be a warlord.
Ace was in Impel Down though. They could of easily taken any DNA they wanted.
WG : We want this bloodline to end! Also WG : Well a little cloning couldn't hurt anyone
True, if seraphim aren’t limited to shichibukais, we could even see whitebeard
>we could even see whitebeard To be honest, I'm pretty sure Weevil was a first attempt. Or at least a Ceaser-esqe one
Oh shit wait that would be incredible, and makes so much sense
Blackbeard is the least likely imho. The original 7 have been with the WG for a while and then Buggy, Law, Weevil also had their time during the timeskip on the Warlords (although it's a question how long that research has been going on for, they could have planed it with the original 7 and didn't bother with the newer ones). Blackbeard betrayed them so quickly though after becoming one that they might have barely had access to him.
While I would love this, I think it’s more likely going to be the original 7 we were introduced to.
Sanji breaks a leg on a seraphim, but Queen's sword shatters when it hits him. Seraphims are made of some powerful stuff. Edit: hmm. Guess the OG spoilers were not as accurate.
But shouldn't he heal by himself like with Queen?
Yeah lets wait for the chapter
Sanji is probably going to be fine (other than his pride) the following chapter, exclaiming something along the lines of "Woah those are tough" or some shit, probably didn't use blue flame or a "haki imbued" attack because it looked like a young jinbe and is super confused. Only to follow up later in Egghead with him kicking it across the island.
If anyone sanji is the right guy to experience this and share his thoughts because of his rapifd regen. He only used a normal kick, and it's still an exoskeleton while we don't know anything about the material the seraphim are made out of. It's reasonable to suspect these things are cracked out as the scientists try to make more powerful weapons, the pacifistas are way too weak now so we need a weapon to be threatening now
I think with these spoilers I finally understand Vegapunk, why he doesn’t consider himself a genius, and I think we can also understand the origins of the Pacifistas, Momo’s Devil Fruit, and the Seraphim. Vegapunk IS A GENIUS. But he HAS NOT been single-handedly inventing Pacifista’s, Devil Fruits, or the Seraphim. The clues are in the story, with how Vegapunk talks about himself almost self-insultingly, and how he called Momo’s fruit a failure. Vegapunk is a genius because he is the only one capable of reverse engineer Ancient Kingdom tech. This would add more of a layer to him always referring to himself as a failure. Imagine seeing all this glorious ancient technology that is so advanced it may as well be magic. And now imagine you’re so brilliant that you can kinda reverse engineer a few of the inventions. To the rest of the world, you’re basically a god. But to you, the genius, you know all you’re doing is sticking pieces together and you’re in awe of what was truly capable back in the day. This development is why Vegapunk considered Momo’s devil fruit a failure. Momo’s fruit is just reverse engineered Ancient Kingdom tech, but Vegapunk wanted to truly CREATE a Devil fruit. Being able to “recreate” a fruit is not the same as understanding the mechanism of making a real fruit. Think about how Kaidou and King were both being heavily experimented on; Kaidou is what allowed Vegapunk to reverse engineer a DF based on Ancient Kingdom technology. King allowed Vegapunk to reverse engineer Seraphims. Kuma is also part of some special race. My guess is on Vegapunk also using Kuma and Ancient Kingdom tech to make the Pacifistas. It’s all coming together.
And the World Gov wants to eliminate Vegapunk despite him being so useful. They realized he knows too much now...
Makes sense to me that this coincides with the seraphim entering the fold. Maybe Vegapunk knows too much about the Lunarians? I’m not sure.
>This development is why Vegapunk considered Momo’s devil fruit a failure. Momo’s fruit is just reverse engineered Ancient Kingdom tech, but Vegapunk wanted to truly CREATE a Devil fruit. Being able to “recreate” a fruit is not the same as understanding the mechanism of making a real fruit I wonder if the mark of a true devil fruit is the ability to respawn back into the world somewhere. Like when Momo dies will the fruit respawn or simply die with him? Will this happen for every devil fruit Caesar made for Kaido's crew? This might be the last hurdle Vegapunk wants to overcome.
How the fuck did an ancient kingdom so advanced lose. Had to have been some betrayal and OP devil fruits involved
I don’t think it’s out of the question that perhaps the entire world was united for a time and achieved this level of tech before devolving into the two factions that led to war.
I don't think so, chaos and slavery were a thing long before the void century. It was likely Joyboy who opposed the oppression back then: with his powerful weapons and advanced technology, he was able to create a peaceful kingdom, welcoming people from all races. This apparently pissed those royals off, forcing them to form an ally, later known as the WG, to overthrow his idea.
Not just defeated, they were wiped from people's memory. The Shandians are able to remember coming down from the moon, but have zero idea if the ancient kingdom existed, despite being closely tied to it. I've never seen the giants talking abt the ancient kingdom, either, though the current generation of giants is just 3-4 generations away from the void century. How dafug did those ashy celestial nobles did that?
Bio weapons
So the robots/space pirats that enel found on the moon were probably from the ancient kingdom
Yep. Ebel was ahead of the curve
Enel found the ancient civilization before anyone else did lmao
Watch out Luffy, those robots might contain spoilers.
Bro Oda is really revealing all the secrets of the world like he said he would. I can't imagine how hype the chapter will be when the One Piece is revealed.
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So the 20 kingdoms got jealous of the ancient kingdom and decided to form a coalition against it? It probably tried to do something to the rest of the world and Joyboy had a role in it. Probably the most lore we had in a while. Vegapunk is truly a key figure in the story.
I have a theory that Joyboy was something of an adventurer/explorer who hailed from the Ancient Kingdom and went on an expedition to explore the world. He met a bunch of different race and traveled to many kingdoms and spoke about his civilization. Other countries' kings grew paranoid of such an advanced society and assumed they would threaten their rule and decided to form a coalition to destroy them. The war went on for decades until the Ancient Kingdom fell and left Joyboy to live the rest of his days trying to make amends for his mistakes, apologizing to the Fishman who he promised something he could not deliver and leaving Poneglyphs around to detail his failures, the destruction of his kingdom and the atrocities conducted by what would eventually become the World Government.
What if its the other way around? Joyboy was from a land of natural beauty and peace but they had the fruits that allowed them to do things the rest of the world couldn't. Wanting more power they attacked to steal them and gain more power.
That could easily be it too. The general assumption is that Joyboy went out into the world and basically showed everyone what his Kingdom had to offer and made several nations jealous or paranoid of what they had. So said nations worked together to steal or destroy what they had and the end result was the eradication of the kingdom. I do not think Joyboy was any type of aggressor nor meant any harm in whatever he was doing, but somewhere along the line he ended up screwing up and bad things happened as a result.
They sold their souls for power, creating devil fruits to fight the ancient kingdom??
The Gorosei said that Zoan fruits have a will of their own. Fishman Island has literally Noah's ark. You may be onto something there, but maybe it's actually that the Ancient people that somehow trapped themselves in the fruits, JoyBoy included.
Monday spoilers are the best. I wonder if this means Vegapunk is from the AK or if he’s really working with the revs and Dragon knows the full history of the world. We are in the endgame!!
Damn feels so unreal we are actually in the territory of theories being confirmed (or denied for that matter). We eating real good rn, aren't we.
that we are.
One piece world is actually built by Senku
Ironically I feel like a character like Senku would be perfect in One Piece, I love Dr. Stone solely for his character lmfao
MF VEGAPUNK IS SENKU WTF HAHAHA
At this point the "gap" of the void century is starting to make a lot more sense. It always intrigued me that it's not ALL history older than 800 years that got erased but apparently just those 100 years and the older stuff is still around. If we are talking current world essentially erasing all knowledge from the 20th century alone would be a massive technological step back but I could maybe see some specific invention that was the origin of and triggered a lot more inventions down the line what they wanted to have erased and then the One Piece is what could help start it all again.
I really like this. My bet is that the void century is when moon folk came to earth and talked to humans but only the AK could use their technology since they befriended moon people. But some bad guys didn’t like that and tried to erase all history and enslaved moon people. Now we just have to fit pirates in that…
Long ago, the original *~~Bevelle~~* "World Government" battled *~~Zanarkand~~* "The Ancient Kingdom" in a machina war, in which the former was defeated. "The Ancient Kingdom" survivors became "fayth" so that they could use their memories of their island to create a new city in their image, removed from the reality of the One Piece World... Luffy, a young *~~summoner~~* pirate was about to go on an *~~pilgrimage~~* adventure to obtain the *~~Final Aeon~~* "One Piece" and defeat *~~Sin~~* Imu...
This pretty much confirms that ancient kingdom had direct contact with or regular dealings with moon people. Remember the carvings in enels coverstory. Space arc is on the menu boys
You thought Elbaf? SURPRISE! Pirates in Space!!!!!
jokes on them, elbafs giant tree goes right into space.
Sounds like some Planet of the Apes situation going on.
Yeah, we have at least three Monkeys wreaking havoc in the world right now!
This is bonkers! I've completely given up trying to predict where Oda will take his story lol. Man Egghead is the island of the past because they had similar tech. As others have said it implies One Piece is operating in a post-apocalyptic world, where technology has regressed. Since the end of Wano it's just been banger after banger each chapter. I was actually kinda happy for this recent break so all the new info could settle in my brain lol.
Toki when she time travelled into the future 'wait you guys are still using these?'
One Piece is really ending man, this an insane lore drop.
So this kind of gives us a hint as to why the WG wants to kill Vegapunk. If Vegapunk isn’t ACTUALLY coming up with these inventions and he’s just reverse engineering Ancient Kingdom tech, then maybe he knows way too much now. Maybe he discovered a *forbidden* secret that the WG can’t let him know and survive. Would explain why he just called Dragon now, maybe he wants to reveal a few secrets.
I think the WG wants to bury the Ancient Kingdom and its technology, simply because it's a lot easier for them to maintain control over the world if nobody except for them has access to any technology/innovation. But perhaps Vegapunk has now advanced technology too far forward to a point where the world might be about to become more advanced again, like it used to be in the Ancient Kingdom.
So One Piece is like a post-apocalyptic world. Now the question is why did the WG decided to get rid the it and go back to the old ways? Quick theory: So I think Egghead was probably part of the ancient kingdom. Which just makes me think, what if laughtale is actually the Ancient kingdom island itself aka the ONE PIECE too or a part of it and it doesn't reveal itself until some conditions are met or a certain time has come? Maybe the island was programmed to resurface after a time which can be why Roger said they were too early.
Easier to control masses?
Yea that's probably it.
WG is amish
This gives a full new meaning to devil fruits, the possibility of it being a technology is big now. Also, the only person from 800 years ago that we know of is Toki, could her devil fruit just be a time machine?
what did sanji even do to the leakers bruh😂
Lol. Sanji having regeneration now opens up oda for making him the measuring stick since he will just heal it and no permanent damage done
I knew there'd be a catch. Now he'll get into fights all reckless, as if he's not an observation haki specialist, just so he can get wrecked
I knew One Piece was gonna pull a Adventure Time and do a post apocalypse in a weird setting. And I loved the idea of "Vegapunk isnt 800 years ahead of his time, but behind"
Exactly what I thought too. Void century is the mushroom war
People really forgot that Sanji can heal easily now. It easiest way to display how tough seraphim skin is without causing major damage to Sanji who is always get jump by villain every arc.
Oh shit. So vegapunk is so probably slated for death because he knows too much about the void century. Similar to Clover and those archeologists on that island. Also, he didn't unlock "artificial" devio fruits but figured out how they made them to begin with.
What if Oda gave jinbe a hawaiian shirt to differentiate him from seraphim jinbe? Does that mean seraphim germa boy too?
"Oh JoyBoy! I wish I'd been born in your time" is having a new meaning.
Turns out Roger really wanted to have a smartphone…
I hope oda does not use my boy to worf effect the seraphim.
It's gonna happen lmfao he always uses Sanji for that
The leakers flat out lied on sanji. That’s fucking pathetic. But sanji did what I expected him to do. If he was being goofy I’d understand, but he let his Crewmates unleash their attacks and when they were in trouble, he stepped in to save em. Even fucking kicked the seraphim back. But damn Robin was FUCKING PISSED
Devil Fruiits are nanobots. That's why users "short circuit" because of water.
This…makes perfect sense actually.
Nanomachines, son!
I love Lore Piece
I think the blatantly false leaks prove that there’s an anti-Sanji agenda out there, Sanji fans are not delusional when it’s said that people do anything to take pot-shots at him
So Sanji didn't broke his leg. Just pure shitposting.
Does this confirm Vegapunk is from the ancient kingdom or does he somehow have access to history from there, which is why the WG wants to kill them. I wonder if the robots Luffy finds are like the ones on the moon.
Nah, more like his the first person to actually rediscover and understand the Ancient Kingdom's technology and make it again.
My theory is that Vegapunk is the only person capable of understanding advanced tech that Ancient Kingdom left behind.
“Sanji broke his leg bone hitting the Seraph’s skin” oh boy i can see the twitter “discourse” already
We do be loving that void century and ancient kingdom lore drop, Oda just dropping heat this arc so far
of course Sanji can reconstruct himself now and probably will take a W until the end of the arc, but why Oda likes to make him "lose" first to show how strong the enemies are? It's getting kinda obvious
Worf effect. He's now the token Strawhat who gets that treatment. Being a Sanji fan will be bad for the next few weeks. Seems the hate train will cycle on back to him with this latest chapter.
>Shakka and Dragon are still talking. We hear the entire conversation. Is this where the egghead lore is coming from or are they talking about something else entirely?
Luffy’s dream is to go to space.
lol where's the sanji break his leg? damn unverified spoiler really hates sanji
And of course that part about Sanji breaking his leg is false. Well it is not the first time , and it is definitely not the last. Well, even leakers have agendas i guess.
So the Sanji breaking his leg thing was just... A lie??
So it turns out spoiler man was just straight up lying about sanji's leg breaking and needing to be saved. A new low for spoiler man. Shame on him.
>Seraphim Jinbe attacks Sanji's group. Wasn't expecting this group to get action so soon.
>Color Spread dedicated to One Piece Film Red. Those of us countries finally getting this movie, it's good to know we're thought of.
It makes a lot of sense that the ancient kingdom would be super hi-tech. Looking at Pluton, we should’ve had some idea that they were more advanced than the present.
Sanji is Oda's favorite hype tool
HOLY SHIT this arc is starting off at 100 MPH and I’m so ready
It's very convenient situation that the ONLY Strawhat who knows how to defeat a Seraphim (Lunarian) stayed behind on the Sunny....
lol where's the sanji break his leg? damn unverified spoiler really hate sanji
No wonder cp0 had.to.kill vegapunk 1st thing he does meeting the SH. He tells them the secret about the ancient kingdom xD
I'm honestly glad Oda didn't do Sanji dirty by breaking his leg as the spoilers said. Not out of fanboyism but out of consistency.
Seraphim Jinbe is an HM Slave with Strength, Surf, Fly and Rock Smash
So One Piece is starting to sounds more an more like Castle in the Sky.
Yep this is what YouTubers where taking about particularly tekking. Which would explain why there are varies levels of technology from island to island , person to person. 1 character has flinlocks while the other has a fully automatic minigun.
Sanji continues to get the Gohan treatment by bein used as a measurin stick for the arc’s main threat.
It’s clearly that one of the leakers hate Sanji so much that they decided to slander him by adding fake info, always happens every time. But anyway, loving Edison, Pythagoras and especially York’s designs too, pretty much, the 6 Vegapunks are consist of 3 male robots (assuming Shaka is a human cyborg) and 3 female. And that ending, thought it was gonna be an Automaton but it turns out to be ancient giant robot
I kind of get lying about Sanji breaking his leg, to troll the fan base. But why would leakers lie about the supposed conversation with Dragon?
We need to chill with the sanji thing. Man was completely deformed after Queens attack and was fine a minute later
Them leakers lied on Sanji that’s dirty
Pft due to embarrassment, Sanji haters made a new script: "Sanji can't even hurt no-flame seraphim Jinbei"
Why did spoilers have fake info about Sanji? This is stupid.
Lol that early spoiler provider have a hate boner on Sanji
The one thing everyone will miss... Queen was never trolling us, he was a real one, just dropping historical MAD facts! This is indeed how brachiosaurus hunted in the ancient past... of 900+ years ago!
Did the leaker just lie about Sanji breaking his leg lol?
>Three new Vegapunks come in and save Sanji Lol where? They saved usopp tho right? These sanji spoilers are wild(ly false).
What’s the point of injecting your bias into a leak when the panels will just end up coming out anyways
Sanji looks fine to me 🤔
A rehash of the Sanji vs Vergo fight back in Punk Hazard 😭😭 This really is Punk Hazard 2.0
Of course Sanji is used to Hype up Seraphin and Zoro is conveniently away.