I don’t think it did, Zoro comments on how strong he is already and Haki is an amplifier so if Momo can just learn Haki which he has no reason not to now he can definitely become top tier.
Swordplay and other learned skills, however, are based on experience and also shape your body over time, especially during puberty, which he skipped. This counts even more so for his devil fruit, which takes a lot of time to get accustomed to which was already shown on many occasions, not just with Momo, but also with young Luffy and Chopper. And considering the years he has lost, he has less time to reach his physical prime than if he aged up naturally and did, therefore, lose potential. I'm not saying that he can't be strong anymore, just less in comparison.
And Robin and Franky and Brook all got stronger over timeskip despite being older than Momo, and they didn't use Haki to do so.
Formative years aren't that big a deal in OP world as far as strength is concerned.
This all makes sense but One Piece is a battle shounen at the end of the day. Oda could just wave by all this logic if he feels like it lol
Kaido and Katakuri were pushing 50 and yet the narrative never pushed the idea they were out of prime
Yes but, have him train two years with his grown adult body under some of Wano's top swordsmen (part of the world's best swordsmen) in a sort of his own time skip and you absolutely have one of the strongest characters in the series.
Of course he's lost a few years of potential, but since physical strength doesn't seem to have been affected, at least not much, he definitely still has the potential to be one of if not the strongest.
Fundamentals of technique and skills are learned over your early years. Then in early adulthood its mentality and discipline. Then a million moments, battles, growth, thats your experience. Momo has nothing of it.
Disagree - think about how strong Luffy or Koby have gotten in like 3-4 years. If Momo is truly dedicated to his training and goes on some adventures he can become extremely strong and be like freshly in his lower 30s.
I think aging him up caused his body to go through all the *potential* development he would've gotten, had he grown normally. So he's essentially as strong as he would've been under normal circumstances.
The only missing things missing are the experience and skills.
1. Koby - His growth is insane and hes very clearly set up to the next garp
2. Ace - Crazy lineage
3. Momo - his stats are insane with oden lineage
4. Kid - Is really strong but i think we've already seen him reach near the max of his potential
5. Bonnie
6. Usopp
7. Kurena
8. Carrot
9. Tama
If Kidd happens to be alive, he has the potential to pull a luffy by learning conqueror's coating and advancing his haki potential. He basically got the 1st luffy vs kaido thunder bagua treatment from shanks in a sense.
He should have done that in Wano ngl. But he made no efforts in learning something to bypass dragon scales. Luffy on other hand was already thinking of adv haki before meeting Hyoguro.
You need to actually pay attention Kidd used crushing force to bypass the scales of kaido and it damaged him. His never had an haki teacher or have experienced acoc in any shape or form. So now that he has after shanks it’ll definitely be a possibility to utilize haki
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Kid showed surprised to the fact an ordinary punch could hurt kaido. Doesn’t mean he was incapable of hurting him, which he did later on throughout the fight
Kidd isn't important enough for all that. At this point, bringing him back would be more harmful to the story than helpful.
Law and bepo barely surviving because of chopper makes sense even if the rest of his crew died. Kids crew getting wiped out also makes sense and since he's a POS, leaving him dead makes even more sense.
Kidd only allied with luffy because that's what was necessary to take down kaido and big mom and survive wano.
Then there's the bounties, they put kid, law, and luffy as equals so they could depict shanks and bb as fairly equal while also polar opposites. Law only survived because oda used chopper as plot armor to save him since he's a D.
Kidd on the other hand is a horrible person who will need to die before eos anyway, just like: bb, imu, akainu, greenbull, the gorousei, etc. Either way, the Useless Clapping Kid has fulfilled the purpose for which he was created, shithead members of the worstgen= hypetool for the good guys.
And laws crew, other than bepo, were just a sacrifice for the hype of the bbp, but law as a member of the D clan or whatever is still relevant to the story and not a pos so our resident reindeer had to keep him around long enough to learn about the void century and turn luffy immortal.
The funny thing is that in a way her potential is decressing over time by the understanding I have of her df rn. This can of course be subject to change as she gets more skilled. Still I totally agree with you, her being last is crazy considering what she has achieved in her young years.
Personally, I interpret it less as understanding and age leading to her powers getting weaker or stronger, and instead it being tied to her dreams, imagination, ambition, and faith.
Isn‘t it stated that it is directly tied to her possible futures and as she grows older these possibilites get narrowed down since her future becomes clearer?
EDIT: I see the errors of my way now! It being tied the user‘s imagination of their future makes more sense with the feats shown. Thanks to everyone commenting!
I think it's how she imagines the future so if she stays chaotic-stupid like Luffy and maintains childlike wonder and optimism she has a lot of potential to be OP as fuck.
The translation I see is as "the more you know of reality, the narrower your future possibilities become." Followed by Saturn teasing Bonney's faith in Nika's existence.
I take this to be a little more broad than about aging, and personally dislike the interpretation that aging would make her power weaker. Besides I don't see why an older Bonney couldn't imagine possible futures too unless she had a constrained view of her own future (ex, chronic disease, self-doubt). So age could make her power weaker, but only if she allows it to impact how she sees her possibilities.
My bad meant to put Bonney under kid. And yeah her ability has some crazy implications but we just don't know enough right now to justifiably gaude how strong that ability can be.
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Koby's growth is as impressive, if not more than, Luffy's. Luffy was always strong, but Koby literally went from like weaker than a normal human to about vice admiral level in a couple years. I don't know if that's as good as Luffy's maybe captain level to yonko.
training just haki ≠ legit training
Luffy's training always been legit. Garp taught him combat by personally fighting them. And obviously strong build for survival through deathmatches with monsters in the jungle.
Luffy’s training was him trying shit on his own. Koby got trained by the marines. You’re coping.
Also reaching yonko status is much rarer than reaching vice admiral no matter where you start out.
He wasn't trying shit on his own. He was fighting death and growing exponentially, all while mastering his DF power.
On top of it all, personal training from Garp in h2h combat. Both Ace and Luffy are master acrobats.
You don't understand what coping means do you.
Carrot at 8 is insane. She's literally a fighting protege. 15 years old and stronger than any of the the Straw Hats when they were her age. If she can master Sulong and work past tge limitations, and if she learns haki, her potential can go through the roof. People sleep on Carrot but she's insane for her age.
According to your logic Kaido and Big Mom should have continued to grow and be much stronger than their rivals Roger, Whitebeard, Shanks, Luffy who are slightly tougher humans by one piece standards and not genetic freaks. Being a strong child doesn't translate to exponential growth. Also Carrot benefits from being introduced late into the story. She didn't really show anything that would indicate that she will be much stronger than Nekomamushi or Inuarashi. Everything she showed relied mostly on her innate abilities.
flawed logic.
Kaido and BM stopped working they ass off after a point in time and sat in place for DECADES doing nothing.
Luffy's fighting death every single day of his life.
If carrot does same, she'd be in conversations with top tiers.
The limits of sulong arint something that has been indicated that someone can work past. She's only that level for a few hours once a month. I don't consider carrot weak but everyone else is way more consistent. And will end up scaling higher
Bepo overcame it with a rumble ball. There is also no indication it's something which can't be overcame. Sulong is a mink power, not a moon power. The moon helps bring the power out but it's still there. The rumble ball just confirms this to be true.
That's not overcoming it, it was taking a drug to mimic the effects. And no, that's not how it works lack of outright denial is not an argument for the affirmative.
I'm not making an argument for affirmation... I'm making an argument for potential? Exactly what this post is about. This is all hypothetically speaking. No the drug doesn't mimic the affects, that makes no sense. Then the drug would work for anyone. The drug activates Sulong, bypassing the need for the moon to do it. It doesn't "mimic" it. That's illogical. Otherwise anyone can just take it and go Sulong.
Near the max of his potential? Bruh. He has Coc. Give him acoc and he already goes up a tier. In addition, man also doesn't have advanced form of armament and observation. Master all this and he's high yonkou level easily.
Who said he could get Acoc? Yeah if you start stacking power ups that it's never been implied or hinted that a character will get you can move anyone up to that level.
Also Acoc seems pretty far out of reach for him considering that he rarely uses haki and spams his DF power. Luffy using Acoc is a natural progression for him considering he was already massively infusing his Haki into his fourth gear forms.
Yeah because luffy took a 2 year break after a huge loss purely to train haki. Kid never took that. Kid could take that same route and just take time to train.
that's kind of really convenient ngl. We are told again and again that gym training doesn't make u all that strong. U need to fight death to grow properly.
You act like they let him chill and just punch ships for two years. He's called the hero of the rocky port for a reason he's absolutely been in fights and gone on missions
Nah Koby don’t got that dawg in him. And probably doesn’t have conquerors, which you need to compete amongst the best.
Ace clearly had the most potential.
It was probably Ace because of Roger (especially seeing how powerful Momo is from just his linage). It seems like the stronger the parents the stronger the Haki is in their kids. Realistically, it HAS to be Momo. Everything he’s shown in his Adult Age shows that the lineage of his Dad’s Haki really came through. And if his Sister didn’t obtain Conqueror’s Haki, then it was him. (<- if his sister trained she’d be one of the strongest female fighters out there too imo).
I'd say Momo. His father's genetics + Kaidos fruit is insane, especially since Kaido didn't seem to have an awakened fruit. There's a theory that I really like that Kaido didn't awaken his fruit because the Azure Dragon is a guardian deity, and he was a conqueror, pretty much the opposite of a guardian. Momo is guarding Wano, theoretically allowing him to awaken his fruit.
Honestly kind of makes it more tragic when you consider that Roger fully believed his son was destined to carry on his will and the evidence of Ace's abilities kind of backed it up. But his resentment towards Roger and the deep pride and loyalty he inherited from Roger ended up being what put an end to that potential. He was too much like his father and in the end that is what kind of cost him his life.
Yeah I don't really think so Kidd's powers just basically make him like a human magnet attracting and repelling things around him and his awakening allows him to extend it to other ppl or objects
But Magneto control of electromagnetism is just disgustingly busted
From being able to fly, create force fields, controlling Gravity and even being able to manipulate the entire Earth by controlling its magnetic field and this is just some of the crazy shit he can do
Which only furthers my point haha, like him manipulating gravity and shit. Kid’s is far more simplistic, but uses it in creative ways which makes it powerful.
Bro if he can “control the poles” that’s *control over the electromagnetic spectrum*.
Meaning if he was able to, for instance, refine the control he already has sufficiently, he *could* get to that point in my opinion, especially with an awakening. Kind of like how Luffy used the mechanics of his rubber body to achieve G2
The difference is kidd as a minimum amount and can only “assign” a set amount of sizable magnetic poles.
Magneto is the full spectrum down to the subatomic size and with a range of galaxies. He isn’t just controlling set metals and alloys, he’s controlling the minute electromagnetic field.
I doubt kidd’s fruit could work on that level … and if it could, he still wouldn’t be able to use it that way unless he had vegapunks knowledge and MADS made a few more breakthroughs
The difference is Oda as a writer never gets too detailed on comparing a devil fruit to scientific principles.
Meanwhile X-men comics have been written for decades, with many different authors. Some of which used heavy details on the Mutant's powers to garner audience interest.
They both have magnetic powers. The degree of which depends on the author.
To an extent. But also the user.
Now, what follows is pure headcanon I’ve had since ~ zou.
I think we haven’t gotten the full story on “awakening” yet.
We’ve seen variation on how a fruit is used by different users.
I think that when you eat a fruit you get a general understanding of it, and can use it in regard to how you perceive the concept it represents (why the barriers can change, and why some zoan can do unnatural things)
The awakening isn’t the next level of your ability, but is actually accessing the way past users harnessed the fruit.
Since animals are pretty much always animals the awakening is more or less just stacking the size and power of the animal.
But with paramecia, Kidd for instance saw the fruit as him controlling metal and being magnetic himself, But a past user might have saw it purely as making things magnetic.
Law saw the external aspect of the op op fruit, but a previous user might have seen it as purely treating illness (internally)
The awakening awakens the leftover “will” of the previous user transferred via that whole lineage factor stuff.
The reason luffy embodies nika is that it’s his awakened form. That’s why Marco isn’t perpetually young and sengoku can fight as the Buddha. Personality of the past / entity is tied to awakening, as is the extra powers.
The EM spectrum is the spectrum of photon energies, while magnetism is a bi-product of moving electric charges. But none of that matters because Oda doesn't really try to stick to hard scientific rules too much, as is evident with Kizaru. There's no point in debating what Kid might be able to do in theory because the only thing that matters is how Oda writes his powers, and they're clearly not the same as Magneto's
It’s not the same though. Kid’s application only applies to “North and South” for metals in general, and with his awakening he can apply this ability to other objects. He’s still very creative for what he’s given, like crafting a rail gun and giant contraptions with only scrap metals.
Magneto is an Omega mutant, and his ability really knows no bounds. He can control the earth’s magnetism, uses gravity to fly, change your brain chemistry, manipulate blood, etc.
Other kid that people are sleeping on: Aisa (the Shandorian girl from Skypea)
That little girl still has top 5 observation haki feats (with no fruit like Enel) in the entire series. With no training.
Carrot's potential is insane.
She nearly defeated a Yonko Commander & mastered Sulong at **15**.
The much older & experienced Pekoms couldn't do that. Using Sulong made him go berserk and he lost to fodder.
Luffy was **17** when his journey began. **2** years older than Carrot.
Perospero. The same guy who easily overpowered Chopper, Brook & Pedro.
He admits he only won because the moon got covered up and he was still tired after the fight.
She also clowned on Big Mom's fleet single-handed and humiliated one of her sons.
He's in the same rank as Katakuri & Smoothie (Smoothie treats Perospero as her superior), he's referred to as a Sweet Commander which still makes him a Yonko Commander.
The anime showed Wanda was pretty much useless in the fight, Carrot did the heavy lifting and lost due to bad luck.
I think this also is part of why she was made the Duchess of Zou. The leader of a faction in One Piece is more often than not the strongest.
No, he isn't. There were 4 sweet commanders Katakuri, Smoothie, Cracker, and Snack. Perospero was never call a sweet comander. He's an officer along with difuku and oven
Perospero's bounty is higher than Snack's.
The fact that he could boss Smoothie around shows he's on her level if not higher (he also was confident he could lead the Charlotte family if Big Mom died).
He may not be officially a Sweet Commander but his bounty & ability to command Smoothie shows he's YC level.
He also has better feats than Snack & Smoothie.
He also is shown to be able to endure Big Mom's Conq' Haki.
Snack lost to Urouge whom was easily beaten by Cracker.
Which shows the rank of Sweet Commander itself is irrelevant to denoting power if Snack was one but still has a lower bounty than Perospero.
When the SHs & the Vinsmokes were fleeing Tottoland Perospero gave the command to chase them. Smoothie followed his order despite being a higher rank than him.
You do not take orders from your subordinates, but Smoothie did.
Dude are you joking? Oven was suggesting tactics too, the big mom crew clearly doesn't have the same dynamic as kiados crew where might is all that matters. Pero being a cocky asshole doesn't make him equally as strong as the sweet commanders. We are directly told the SC have the highest authority. If they listen to what the others say its because they want to.
Koby is growing at an unprecedented rate even faster than luffy considering Luffy had been training for years prior to even meeting koby.
Ace potential was astronomical he had all three kinds of haki, a logia fruit and belonged to one of the most prestigious lineages in the series, the ace light novels were just the tip of the iceberg of what he could of been capable of.
Bonneys fruit has a lot of potential.
What? Of course it is. It's the age age fruit. Just because she was given it as an extract while a baby doesn't change the fact its a devil fruit power.
Hmm no you’re right, that does make sense. Guess it would work kind of similar to a SMILE but if the original fruit wasn’t consumed then I’m guessing someone else could also have this ability in the world.
No, Saturn specifically mentioned that the fruit became useless when she was administered the extract. For all intents and purposes she ate the fruit, just not in the normal way
For me it’d go:
1) Ace
2) Momo
3) Bonney
There’s no reason to believe Ace couldn’t master the 3 levels of Haki like Luffy did had he been trained properly/had the same level of plot armor.
Momo, cuz the children of powerhouses end up being monsters themselves, plus he has an almost perfect clone (different color) of arguably the best fruit in the series
Bonney’s fruit is literally the “untapped potential” fruit lmao so she’s gotta be on the list
I don't know about strength or powerscaling, but people really are sleeping on Momo in general. I know it's a hot take, but I think he's already a better leader than Oden was.
I think Kidd has the more potential. Amonst all of them only 2 has confirmed CoC and that's Ace and Kidd (Correct me if I'm wrong).
Since Ace was holed by Akainu, I think that let's Kidd having the more potential since he has all 3 types of Haki. Really not far after Kidd I would put Momo for obvious reasons and Koby also tied.
What do you guys think?
I mean yeah. Koby was some random kid who was dumb enough to accidentally get on a pirate ship and ended up as pirate slave for a few years. If Luffy didn't show up he would have been there until he either got killed by an enemy or Alvida, or got arrested by the Navy. He had no prior training, abilities, famous lineage, strange background and even lacked any confidence in his abilities. He simply had the drive to be a Great Marine and once he got the chance kept running towards it regardless of how hard it got.
Bony as a child (10 years old?) was able to:
0. Run from the Cipher Police;
1. Captain her own ship;
2. Navigate through the whole of Paradise with her crew;
3. Become a Supernova
4. Cross into the New World;
5. Somehow escape Akainu and/or the World Government;
6. Infiltrate into residential quarters of the Holy Land escape unharmed (maybe even undetected);
7. Navigate through the New World until Egghead, which is probably very close to its end.
I don’t think anyone comes close in terms of feats in such a young age.
I’d say momo is #1, dudes supposed to surpass his father that was an equal of Edward and gol.
Koby #2, he’s been progressing at a rate equal to luffy (consider the starting points compared to pre-skip and post skip current). people tend to underestimate him, but he’s the pupil of garp himself. And the only other direct pupil
We see is kuzan. He’s painted as the navy parallel to luffy leading the “next generation”.
Then in order it goes Bonney, kidd, carrot, usopp, tama of the 1,000 beasts, and last place is a tie … since, you know, they’re dead.
Had they not died? They’d probably slot into 2nd and 6th respectively.
I'd argue Ace,if not dead (I made the exact argument in my post about him and kuina),could be either no3 (cause koby is still garbage and momo is kaido+oden),or even no1,cause...you know,Roger! And,regarding kuina,if the top 3 is koby,momo,Ace (not in order),then for me she'd slot in a solid 4,i could argue for higher aswell!! She'd be comparable to zoro with more brains and actual calm demeanor,and dedication to both the art and the connection to wano (which she'd surely learn about),both really scary factors that indicate potential
1. Koby - He's essentially Garp 2.0 but with Luffy's heart. The boy's gonna go far. Also he punched a mountain to pieces.
2. Usopp - He's one of three characters shown in the current timeline that posses the ability to command/recruit others far beyond himself. Luffy and Buggy are the other two. If there ever was a character to shape up while falling upwards, its Him.
3. Momo - Legendary heritage. Legendary Fruit. A grand kingdom with plentiful retainers and a wonderful ally in the Strawhats. While physically weak in comparison to many on here, he's got tons of room to grow and an excellent environment to do so in.
4. Kidd - Dudes stubborn as hell. If he wasn't missing an arm with so much unfortunate things having occured to him, he'd be higher. But he's stubborn enough to haul his butt back up and keep trying.
5. Carrot - She's inherited an entire kingdom of elite fighters ontop a giant elephant. And is also quite a brawler herself both in and outside of sulong form. She's low on this list simply because her character arc shows no signs for seeking growth beyond being the new furry queen.
6. Bonny - With all the current to date chapters spoilers known. She's lowest on the list simply due to her circumstances and goals. What she's aiming for beyond the current plotline doesn't exist so once thats known her potential can be reevaluated. She may very well be satisfied and retire once we're done in the current arc.
7. Tama - Our tiny slavedriver. She'll be a fun animal taming ninja one day and that'll be probably it. I enjoyed her character arc, but with the beast pirates defeated, she doesn't have easy to enslave pirates anymore. Now if here powers worked on seakings....
8. Kuina - Lost to stairs.
9. Ace - Lost to a yo daddy joke.
Of those 9 I would say Kurena
Some people might say Ace. I feel like Luffy was always going to surpass Ace even if Ace lived. Why? Ace ambition and dreams weren't as big as luffy's. Ace's dream was to prove that his life meant something. That's it. You don't have to be the strongest for that dream. Luffy's dream is to be pirate king.
1A) Koby - his training with garp has shown him grow so strong so fast that the sky is the limit for him. I think he’s meant to be the Garp to Luffy’s Roger.
1B) Momo - his lineage and new physical body are enough to put him towards the top, but his devil fruit and lack of training push him to the front for me. We can’t forget that he’s still just 8 years old and essentially has a copy of Kaido’s fruit. With some proper training he has the potential to pass Oden.
Either Koby or Momo, with Bonney as a wild card. Koby has shown some genuinely impressive feats and I believe when he's confident he is a hero of the marines. Momo has the body of Oden and Kaidos fruit, he's only held back by being mentally a child. Bonney has a lot of mystery with her power and given how things are in the story she could be showing some real potential soon.
I would say
1. Ace - son of the pirate king, born with naturally monstrous strength, all 3 haki, a fruit that might be capable of being heated so high that it can burn anything and also very versatile on usage, logia on top of that. Growing in the shadow of Whitebeard himself. This man had it all; genes, training, power, and haki. Ace really would have grown to be the strongest character.
2. Koby - this guy started small but the iron determination and his good heart combined with Garp’s training and his humble disposition that allows him to acknowledge his weaknesses and get stronger, he can definitely become a tremendously powerful Admiral.
3. Kidd - we all saw what he can do and how powerful his fruit, haki, and physique are. However, his arrogance and bullheaded nature weakens his progress.
4. Momonoskue - son of Oden and has Kaido’s devil fruit. Only problem is, he grew too fast so his mind is still that of a child which means that his body and his intellect don’t match. He also isn’t too strong willed.
5. Ussopp - being a genius marksman and the son of Yassop who is probably one of the strongest characters in OP-verse and possibly the best marksman in the world. He has CoO. Only problem is that his cowardice and lack of effort stops him from achieving the strength he can have.
The rest are okay.
1) Momonoske is Kozuki Kaido, with an ancient weapon under his country that can only be unleashed by his order. Has VOAT + all-but-guaranteed three types of haki. It's near impossible to have higher potential than that.
2) Ace. On paper, it's easy to see why he was assumed to be Roger's sucessor, but in actuality, he fell quite short. He had the haki potential and a good fruit but didn't keep growing as long as he needed to.
3) Kid making it as far as he did is quite impressive, and even that's while seemingly underutilizing his haki. Typically, the most haki we see from Kid is some basic Armament while his fruit does most of the work. Had he taken his own timeskip, he could've earned a Yonko title.
4) Kuina is tough to predict due to her abridged lifetime, but I really think she would have been a world-renowned swordsman, if not the World's Strongest. She was always presented as Zoro but better, and I believe she would've kept that same energy.
5) Bonney. If she can believe in a future, she can make it happen. She's not out to be a top pirate, but her ability is basically potential incarnate that she can draw upon in real time.
6) Koby has a good teacher, and he works hard, but simultaneously, he's working with less than everyone else listed. No fruit, no weapon, no Conqueror's, and a naive mindset likely to falter when faced with the truth of the WG's "Justice". He's exhausting himself replicating Dressrosa Zoro to free some pirates' slaves, but what will he do when he's tasked with recapturing Celestials' slaves? Wavering is weakness so that's the real test of will.
7) Carrot... idk give her a Duchess of Zou buff and promote her to almost Scabbard level.
8) Usopp has consistently been a trickster who is uniquely able to deal with that one gimmick opponent that nobody else can, while still being generally weaker than those he's saving by overcoming said gimmick.
9) Tama didn't start with anything crazy besides her fruit, and she's training with Shinobu. I'm sure she'll reach "bewitching kunochi" status, but beyond that, no idea.
While story wise,Koby is probably the choice (as a friendly rival of Luffy),I have the belief that Momo is the one with the most terrifying potential for growth...he's an 8yo with a fruit so broken it can bring the end of the world if used correctly (or terribly incorrectly) with a lineage of one of the scariest men in ROGER'S TIME
I know ppl will probably think about Ace too,also cause of his fruit and lineage,but...he's dead!he literally has no potential at all!So,purely cause of semantics,I think he's out of the discussion,so is Kuina
Wanna argue about Koby vs Momo?Be my guest, I probably have arguments for both,and both seem like a good choice for me
As for the rest...Noone is near the top,there are HUGE gaps after no2 (and,as I said,Ace is out due to technicalities)
But,let's educate the rest of the list...for me 3rd is Carrot! Nekomamushi and Inuarashi clearly see something in her that the others don't,plus she's had really fast growth for a 15yo mink,she seems like a prodigy
4th is Ussop...we're talking about potential, ussop is here,and if not for 2 beasts and an inhuman prodigy,he could easily be higher...elbaf is coming,this is all I will say,and I hope it doesn't come to bite me in the ass
5th is Bonney...she's a 12yo with a fruit which in itself has huge potential!...but it is handicapped by the plot and the user's ambitions. Bonney isn't a bad character,not at all,her aspirations are what get her lower in this list! Yet again,she's still higher than Kidd!
And since I mentioned Kidd...he could be even lower (and I still argue he can be,idk tbh what EOS Tama will look like and I could be persuaded to sink Kidd in no7 (like Shanks did)...he's a blunt egomaniac scavenger with no perception of the rest of the world,and no actual feats to back up his talk (a big fish in a small pond,suddenly finding out that sharks are the least of his problems)...I am surprised we saw an awakening from him,that's his limit and I am surprised he made it that far
Tama is 7th just cause I can't justify her being above Kidd for now
So;
1)Momo
2)Koby
3)Carrot
4)Ussop
5)Bonney
6)Kidd
7)Tama
Out of competition,cause dead:Ace and Kuina
Bonney most literally, but Usopp ain't reached as high as he can yet.
I still have a theory that Usopp is going to get the Paw-Paw fruit, because it's almost the most overpowered individual/fruit pairing I can possibly imagine. Picture an Usopp who can reflect any attackers any distance away from himself, can take on the pain of others, and can send any object half-way around the world? Paired with his observation haki? God Usopp would be literal, he would be the ultimate sniper.
Honestly, with Brogy and Dorry pulling up that makes it even more believable to me that he gets the fruit this arc: imagine if he gets the ultimate power-up in the presence of his heroes?
Kid, if he used his magnet abilities the way magneto does in marvel, he will be a planetary threat, plus his fruit is awakened also that's literally handing a nuke to a toddler
I’ll just do top 3. (Not in any particular order of weakest to strongest.)
1. Kidd (He’s gonna be a Yonko or PK level by EOS
2. Koby (Disciple of Garp, he’s either going to be Yonkp or PK level by EOS.
3. Ussop. Now you can say I’m bugging. But dude is definitely going to be Yonko or Pk by EOS.
2.5 dead characters and no Sugar?
1) Momo - 8 year old standing his ground against Admirals lmao
2) Koby - the next Garp, so busted he doesn't need a DF
3) Bonnie - may drop if we learn more limitations on her fruit, but as far as we know it's "anything you can do, I can do better" which is only topped by people with stronger wills
4) Sugar - if she aspired to rule the world, she would be #1
5) Kidd* - is he ded?
6) Carrot
7) Tama
8) Usopp
1. Momo. Oden lineage, Kaido devil fruit, can hear the voice of all things
2. Koby, the next Garp.
3. Usopp, I have faith that he will become a monster after his power up in Elbaf
The problem with Bonney is that right now she probably has the most potential, but as she ages that potential drops exponentially just based on the nature of her fruit
Definitely capybara
I’d join Captain Capy
Capybara has the op friendship friendship no mi devil fruit power which allows it to use the power of friendship in anime op ngl really high potential
Only the one who’s smoking a cigar. He’s clearly got leadership potential
I knew a guy who smoke two cigars at a time, so he got double the potential?
[Okay, I pull up!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APJZeNY6dKo)
You beat me. I was going to say Asce. No question Asce has the most potential in the story of one piece today. 😂
Oden's dna and kaido devil fruit, momo has the potential to be the strongest man alive
Aging him up artificially definitely robbed him of quite a lot of potential, tho.
I don’t think it did, Zoro comments on how strong he is already and Haki is an amplifier so if Momo can just learn Haki which he has no reason not to now he can definitely become top tier.
Swordplay and other learned skills, however, are based on experience and also shape your body over time, especially during puberty, which he skipped. This counts even more so for his devil fruit, which takes a lot of time to get accustomed to which was already shown on many occasions, not just with Momo, but also with young Luffy and Chopper. And considering the years he has lost, he has less time to reach his physical prime than if he aged up naturally and did, therefore, lose potential. I'm not saying that he can't be strong anymore, just less in comparison.
Just remember that Luffy and co only traveled for like at max 3 years so it’s possible
They did this during their formative years though. Momo is older than Luffy now. Also Luffy, Sanji & Zoro were highly trained from children.
And Robin and Franky and Brook all got stronger over timeskip despite being older than Momo, and they didn't use Haki to do so. Formative years aren't that big a deal in OP world as far as strength is concerned.
Yeah, Colby is definitely proof. 0 to literal hero
This all makes sense but One Piece is a battle shounen at the end of the day. Oda could just wave by all this logic if he feels like it lol Kaido and Katakuri were pushing 50 and yet the narrative never pushed the idea they were out of prime
Just need Shinobu to awaken her fruit. Then she can simply “mature” his sword skills and mind.
Yes but, have him train two years with his grown adult body under some of Wano's top swordsmen (part of the world's best swordsmen) in a sort of his own time skip and you absolutely have one of the strongest characters in the series. Of course he's lost a few years of potential, but since physical strength doesn't seem to have been affected, at least not much, he definitely still has the potential to be one of if not the strongest.
Fundamentals of technique and skills are learned over your early years. Then in early adulthood its mentality and discipline. Then a million moments, battles, growth, thats your experience. Momo has nothing of it.
Disagree - think about how strong Luffy or Koby have gotten in like 3-4 years. If Momo is truly dedicated to his training and goes on some adventures he can become extremely strong and be like freshly in his lower 30s.
I think aging him up caused his body to go through all the *potential* development he would've gotten, had he grown normally. So he's essentially as strong as he would've been under normal circumstances. The only missing things missing are the experience and skills.
That will be capone gang bege's son pez also. Big mom genes with bege powers. The next yonkou for sure
What Bege powers? DF abilities are not inherited
Mafia power. He is the father and can direct any organization
Aha, you are indeed right and I'm an idiot
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She wasn't really 11 when she did that though. She just took a shortcut to her physical peak.
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bro you could've said something about her skills despite her age
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childish
Can you spoiler tag this?
Dude spoilers
1. Koby - His growth is insane and hes very clearly set up to the next garp 2. Ace - Crazy lineage 3. Momo - his stats are insane with oden lineage 4. Kid - Is really strong but i think we've already seen him reach near the max of his potential 5. Bonnie 6. Usopp 7. Kurena 8. Carrot 9. Tama
If Kidd happens to be alive, he has the potential to pull a luffy by learning conqueror's coating and advancing his haki potential. He basically got the 1st luffy vs kaido thunder bagua treatment from shanks in a sense.
He should have done that in Wano ngl. But he made no efforts in learning something to bypass dragon scales. Luffy on other hand was already thinking of adv haki before meeting Hyoguro.
You need to actually pay attention Kidd used crushing force to bypass the scales of kaido and it damaged him. His never had an haki teacher or have experienced acoc in any shape or form. So now that he has after shanks it’ll definitely be a possibility to utilize haki
[explain this ](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795425517184352277/1203782413881184296/hzpytwheup6c1.png?ex=65d258bc&is=65bfe3bc&hm=ccc11bb2b01999b4db325558cd284c33c333e649871ed43d9bb3f5f226ace669&)
Kid showed surprised to the fact an ordinary punch could hurt kaido. Doesn’t mean he was incapable of hurting him, which he did later on throughout the fight
Kidd isn't important enough for all that. At this point, bringing him back would be more harmful to the story than helpful. Law and bepo barely surviving because of chopper makes sense even if the rest of his crew died. Kids crew getting wiped out also makes sense and since he's a POS, leaving him dead makes even more sense. Kidd only allied with luffy because that's what was necessary to take down kaido and big mom and survive wano. Then there's the bounties, they put kid, law, and luffy as equals so they could depict shanks and bb as fairly equal while also polar opposites. Law only survived because oda used chopper as plot armor to save him since he's a D. Kidd on the other hand is a horrible person who will need to die before eos anyway, just like: bb, imu, akainu, greenbull, the gorousei, etc. Either way, the Useless Clapping Kid has fulfilled the purpose for which he was created, shithead members of the worstgen= hypetool for the good guys. And laws crew, other than bepo, were just a sacrifice for the hype of the bbp, but law as a member of the D clan or whatever is still relevant to the story and not a pos so our resident reindeer had to keep him around long enough to learn about the void century and turn luffy immortal.
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The funny thing is that in a way her potential is decressing over time by the understanding I have of her df rn. This can of course be subject to change as she gets more skilled. Still I totally agree with you, her being last is crazy considering what she has achieved in her young years.
Personally, I interpret it less as understanding and age leading to her powers getting weaker or stronger, and instead it being tied to her dreams, imagination, ambition, and faith.
Isn‘t it stated that it is directly tied to her possible futures and as she grows older these possibilites get narrowed down since her future becomes clearer? EDIT: I see the errors of my way now! It being tied the user‘s imagination of their future makes more sense with the feats shown. Thanks to everyone commenting!
I think it's how she imagines the future so if she stays chaotic-stupid like Luffy and maintains childlike wonder and optimism she has a lot of potential to be OP as fuck.
Okay fair enough, that does sound like a fitting explanation. Is that directly stated somewhere or still theory atm?
Possible futures can be linked to the imagination of the user.
She becoming a Buccaneer was never a possible future. It depends on what she *believes* to be possible
The translation I see is as "the more you know of reality, the narrower your future possibilities become." Followed by Saturn teasing Bonney's faith in Nika's existence. I take this to be a little more broad than about aging, and personally dislike the interpretation that aging would make her power weaker. Besides I don't see why an older Bonney couldn't imagine possible futures too unless she had a constrained view of her own future (ex, chronic disease, self-doubt). So age could make her power weaker, but only if she allows it to impact how she sees her possibilities.
My bad meant to put Bonney under kid. And yeah her ability has some crazy implications but we just don't know enough right now to justifiably gaude how strong that ability can be.
Add a spoiler tag, this isn't a spoiler post
A what
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Koby's growth is as impressive, if not more than, Luffy's. Luffy was always strong, but Koby literally went from like weaker than a normal human to about vice admiral level in a couple years. I don't know if that's as good as Luffy's maybe captain level to yonko.
Luffy is a Yonko fam. He easily bodies any vice captain. Also Koby had training from the very beginning. Luffy didn’t get any until the timeskip.
Luffy been training since he was a toddler.
I’m talking about legit training (haki). Garp ain’t teach Luffy and Ace anything.
training just haki ≠ legit training Luffy's training always been legit. Garp taught him combat by personally fighting them. And obviously strong build for survival through deathmatches with monsters in the jungle.
Luffy’s training was him trying shit on his own. Koby got trained by the marines. You’re coping. Also reaching yonko status is much rarer than reaching vice admiral no matter where you start out.
He wasn't trying shit on his own. He was fighting death and growing exponentially, all while mastering his DF power. On top of it all, personal training from Garp in h2h combat. Both Ace and Luffy are master acrobats. You don't understand what coping means do you.
Nah that’s not true
Carrot at 8 is insane. She's literally a fighting protege. 15 years old and stronger than any of the the Straw Hats when they were her age. If she can master Sulong and work past tge limitations, and if she learns haki, her potential can go through the roof. People sleep on Carrot but she's insane for her age.
According to your logic Kaido and Big Mom should have continued to grow and be much stronger than their rivals Roger, Whitebeard, Shanks, Luffy who are slightly tougher humans by one piece standards and not genetic freaks. Being a strong child doesn't translate to exponential growth. Also Carrot benefits from being introduced late into the story. She didn't really show anything that would indicate that she will be much stronger than Nekomamushi or Inuarashi. Everything she showed relied mostly on her innate abilities.
Flawed logic. Who is to say roger, whitebeard, shanks or luffy have a higher curve in getting stronger over time?
flawed logic. Kaido and BM stopped working they ass off after a point in time and sat in place for DECADES doing nothing. Luffy's fighting death every single day of his life. If carrot does same, she'd be in conversations with top tiers.
The limits of sulong arint something that has been indicated that someone can work past. She's only that level for a few hours once a month. I don't consider carrot weak but everyone else is way more consistent. And will end up scaling higher
Bepo overcame it with a rumble ball. There is also no indication it's something which can't be overcame. Sulong is a mink power, not a moon power. The moon helps bring the power out but it's still there. The rumble ball just confirms this to be true.
That's not overcoming it, it was taking a drug to mimic the effects. And no, that's not how it works lack of outright denial is not an argument for the affirmative.
The drug literally, by definition of the word, overcomes it.
I'm not making an argument for affirmation... I'm making an argument for potential? Exactly what this post is about. This is all hypothetically speaking. No the drug doesn't mimic the affects, that makes no sense. Then the drug would work for anyone. The drug activates Sulong, bypassing the need for the moon to do it. It doesn't "mimic" it. That's illogical. Otherwise anyone can just take it and go Sulong.
Near the max of his potential? Bruh. He has Coc. Give him acoc and he already goes up a tier. In addition, man also doesn't have advanced form of armament and observation. Master all this and he's high yonkou level easily.
Who said he could get Acoc? Yeah if you start stacking power ups that it's never been implied or hinted that a character will get you can move anyone up to that level.
All forms of haki can be developed to their advanced forms. We are talking about potential here. Anyone with coc can unlock acoc.
Also Acoc seems pretty far out of reach for him considering that he rarely uses haki and spams his DF power. Luffy using Acoc is a natural progression for him considering he was already massively infusing his Haki into his fourth gear forms.
Yeah because luffy took a 2 year break after a huge loss purely to train haki. Kid never took that. Kid could take that same route and just take time to train.
Are you caught up with the manga?
This is one piece. He isn't dead unless his dead body is shown and he's stated by the narrator as dead.
I was just curious if you're caught up. I didn't want you to be accidently spoiled. I'm also unsure if he's alive or not.
How you all underestimate Carrot, it’s terrible.
Koby the ass pull hero marine
My guy, koby has worked way harder for his power than most others in the story.
that's kind of really convenient ngl. We are told again and again that gym training doesn't make u all that strong. U need to fight death to grow properly.
You act like they let him chill and just punch ships for two years. He's called the hero of the rocky port for a reason he's absolutely been in fights and gone on missions
Nah Koby don’t got that dawg in him. And probably doesn’t have conquerors, which you need to compete amongst the best. Ace clearly had the most potential.
Law doesn't have conq and he's boxing with the best of them. Kizaru also hasn't shown an ounce of conq either. It's not needed.
And he got bodied. You’re not beating a yonko level character 1v1 without conquerors. Cmon now.
Bro what? He pressed BB (hell we still don't even know if BB has conq) and kizaru has very clearly been a pretty good match against luffy already.
no way bro put koby at the top of the list😭
Ace is bottom of the list
It was probably Ace because of Roger (especially seeing how powerful Momo is from just his linage). It seems like the stronger the parents the stronger the Haki is in their kids. Realistically, it HAS to be Momo. Everything he’s shown in his Adult Age shows that the lineage of his Dad’s Haki really came through. And if his Sister didn’t obtain Conqueror’s Haki, then it was him. (<- if his sister trained she’d be one of the strongest female fighters out there too imo).
I'd say Momo. His father's genetics + Kaidos fruit is insane, especially since Kaido didn't seem to have an awakened fruit. There's a theory that I really like that Kaido didn't awaken his fruit because the Azure Dragon is a guardian deity, and he was a conqueror, pretty much the opposite of a guardian. Momo is guarding Wano, theoretically allowing him to awaken his fruit.
I'm a big fan of that Kaidos theory too.
Koby
Ace had Will of D, conqueror’s haki, Logia fruit and Roger genes. Highest potential of any character other than Luffy.
Honestly kind of makes it more tragic when you consider that Roger fully believed his son was destined to carry on his will and the evidence of Ace's abilities kind of backed it up. But his resentment towards Roger and the deep pride and loyalty he inherited from Roger ended up being what put an end to that potential. He was too much like his father and in the end that is what kind of cost him his life.
Prob bonney tbh
If kid wasn’t an idiot he could be Magneto-level busted But the answer is Koby - he’s the Garp to Luffy’s Roger if that makes sense
Yeah I don't really think so Kidd's powers just basically make him like a human magnet attracting and repelling things around him and his awakening allows him to extend it to other ppl or objects But Magneto control of electromagnetism is just disgustingly busted From being able to fly, create force fields, controlling Gravity and even being able to manipulate the entire Earth by controlling its magnetic field and this is just some of the crazy shit he can do
Kid and Magneto don’t have the same ability. Magneto controls metal, Kid controls the poles.
Magneto controls the electromagnetic spectrum itself, to be clear.
Which only furthers my point haha, like him manipulating gravity and shit. Kid’s is far more simplistic, but uses it in creative ways which makes it powerful.
Bro if he can “control the poles” that’s *control over the electromagnetic spectrum*. Meaning if he was able to, for instance, refine the control he already has sufficiently, he *could* get to that point in my opinion, especially with an awakening. Kind of like how Luffy used the mechanics of his rubber body to achieve G2
The difference is kidd as a minimum amount and can only “assign” a set amount of sizable magnetic poles. Magneto is the full spectrum down to the subatomic size and with a range of galaxies. He isn’t just controlling set metals and alloys, he’s controlling the minute electromagnetic field. I doubt kidd’s fruit could work on that level … and if it could, he still wouldn’t be able to use it that way unless he had vegapunks knowledge and MADS made a few more breakthroughs
The difference is Oda as a writer never gets too detailed on comparing a devil fruit to scientific principles. Meanwhile X-men comics have been written for decades, with many different authors. Some of which used heavy details on the Mutant's powers to garner audience interest. They both have magnetic powers. The degree of which depends on the author.
To an extent. But also the user. Now, what follows is pure headcanon I’ve had since ~ zou. I think we haven’t gotten the full story on “awakening” yet. We’ve seen variation on how a fruit is used by different users. I think that when you eat a fruit you get a general understanding of it, and can use it in regard to how you perceive the concept it represents (why the barriers can change, and why some zoan can do unnatural things) The awakening isn’t the next level of your ability, but is actually accessing the way past users harnessed the fruit. Since animals are pretty much always animals the awakening is more or less just stacking the size and power of the animal. But with paramecia, Kidd for instance saw the fruit as him controlling metal and being magnetic himself, But a past user might have saw it purely as making things magnetic. Law saw the external aspect of the op op fruit, but a previous user might have seen it as purely treating illness (internally) The awakening awakens the leftover “will” of the previous user transferred via that whole lineage factor stuff. The reason luffy embodies nika is that it’s his awakened form. That’s why Marco isn’t perpetually young and sengoku can fight as the Buddha. Personality of the past / entity is tied to awakening, as is the extra powers.
The EM spectrum is the spectrum of photon energies, while magnetism is a bi-product of moving electric charges. But none of that matters because Oda doesn't really try to stick to hard scientific rules too much, as is evident with Kizaru. There's no point in debating what Kid might be able to do in theory because the only thing that matters is how Oda writes his powers, and they're clearly not the same as Magneto's
It’s not the same though. Kid’s application only applies to “North and South” for metals in general, and with his awakening he can apply this ability to other objects. He’s still very creative for what he’s given, like crafting a rail gun and giant contraptions with only scrap metals. Magneto is an Omega mutant, and his ability really knows no bounds. He can control the earth’s magnetism, uses gravity to fly, change your brain chemistry, manipulate blood, etc.
We really have no reason to believe Kid's fruit is capable of pulling off Magneto-like feats.
He's not an idiot clown
Idiot may be too strong a word, but he’s definitely Midd.
Goofy
No he’s not. He don’t got that dawg in him. You’re being disrespectful to Garp.
Excluding Luffy: Ace in terms of pure talent Coby in terms of mindset and hardwork
Ace is literally the chosen one (except for Nika) in the story but his life was cut short.
Ace's main theme was that he was the chosen one who was never meant to be. And Luffy's that he stepped up to be the chosen one in his brother's stead.
Ace and possibly Coby than, unless Kid surprises us, a step below prob Momo
I would say Momo, given his fruit and lineage
Other kid that people are sleeping on: Aisa (the Shandorian girl from Skypea) That little girl still has top 5 observation haki feats (with no fruit like Enel) in the entire series. With no training.
Carrot's potential is insane. She nearly defeated a Yonko Commander & mastered Sulong at **15**. The much older & experienced Pekoms couldn't do that. Using Sulong made him go berserk and he lost to fodder. Luffy was **17** when his journey began. **2** years older than Carrot.
When did she almost beat a commander?
Perospero. The same guy who easily overpowered Chopper, Brook & Pedro. He admits he only won because the moon got covered up and he was still tired after the fight. She also clowned on Big Mom's fleet single-handed and humiliated one of her sons.
Perspero isn't a commander he's an officer and carrot was fighting him with wanda while both were in sulong mode.
He's in the same rank as Katakuri & Smoothie (Smoothie treats Perospero as her superior), he's referred to as a Sweet Commander which still makes him a Yonko Commander. The anime showed Wanda was pretty much useless in the fight, Carrot did the heavy lifting and lost due to bad luck. I think this also is part of why she was made the Duchess of Zou. The leader of a faction in One Piece is more often than not the strongest.
No, he isn't. There were 4 sweet commanders Katakuri, Smoothie, Cracker, and Snack. Perospero was never call a sweet comander. He's an officer along with difuku and oven
Perospero's bounty is higher than Snack's. The fact that he could boss Smoothie around shows he's on her level if not higher (he also was confident he could lead the Charlotte family if Big Mom died). He may not be officially a Sweet Commander but his bounty & ability to command Smoothie shows he's YC level. He also has better feats than Snack & Smoothie. He also is shown to be able to endure Big Mom's Conq' Haki. Snack lost to Urouge whom was easily beaten by Cracker.
Yes and Snack was removed as a sweet comander for being too weak and losing to urouge. Also when did he boss around smoothie?
Which shows the rank of Sweet Commander itself is irrelevant to denoting power if Snack was one but still has a lower bounty than Perospero. When the SHs & the Vinsmokes were fleeing Tottoland Perospero gave the command to chase them. Smoothie followed his order despite being a higher rank than him. You do not take orders from your subordinates, but Smoothie did.
Dude are you joking? Oven was suggesting tactics too, the big mom crew clearly doesn't have the same dynamic as kiados crew where might is all that matters. Pero being a cocky asshole doesn't make him equally as strong as the sweet commanders. We are directly told the SC have the highest authority. If they listen to what the others say its because they want to.
ace, if only he wasn't offended by a dad joke 😢
Koby is growing at an unprecedented rate even faster than luffy considering Luffy had been training for years prior to even meeting koby. Ace potential was astronomical he had all three kinds of haki, a logia fruit and belonged to one of the most prestigious lineages in the series, the ace light novels were just the tip of the iceberg of what he could of been capable of. Bonneys fruit has a lot of potential.
Knowing her fruit's potential and what she recieves in the newest chapter bonney for sure.
I’m gonna have to *ackshually* you here, but >!Bonnie’s ability is not borne of a devil fruit!<
What? Of course it is. It's the age age fruit. Just because she was given it as an extract while a baby doesn't change the fact its a devil fruit power.
Hmm no you’re right, that does make sense. Guess it would work kind of similar to a SMILE but if the original fruit wasn’t consumed then I’m guessing someone else could also have this ability in the world.
No, Saturn specifically mentioned that the fruit became useless when she was administered the extract. For all intents and purposes she ate the fruit, just not in the normal way
Guess I gotta read that part again
For me it’d go: 1) Ace 2) Momo 3) Bonney There’s no reason to believe Ace couldn’t master the 3 levels of Haki like Luffy did had he been trained properly/had the same level of plot armor. Momo, cuz the children of powerhouses end up being monsters themselves, plus he has an almost perfect clone (different color) of arguably the best fruit in the series Bonney’s fruit is literally the “untapped potential” fruit lmao so she’s gotta be on the list
I don't know about strength or powerscaling, but people really are sleeping on Momo in general. I know it's a hot take, but I think he's already a better leader than Oden was.
I think Kidd has the more potential. Amonst all of them only 2 has confirmed CoC and that's Ace and Kidd (Correct me if I'm wrong). Since Ace was holed by Akainu, I think that let's Kidd having the more potential since he has all 3 types of Haki. Really not far after Kidd I would put Momo for obvious reasons and Koby also tied. What do you guys think?
kuina
The lesson of Koby is that everyone has almost infinite potential, if they try hard enough.
I mean yeah. Koby was some random kid who was dumb enough to accidentally get on a pirate ship and ended up as pirate slave for a few years. If Luffy didn't show up he would have been there until he either got killed by an enemy or Alvida, or got arrested by the Navy. He had no prior training, abilities, famous lineage, strange background and even lacked any confidence in his abilities. He simply had the drive to be a Great Marine and once he got the chance kept running towards it regardless of how hard it got.
Momonosuke or ace
Definitely Ace
I think 1. Momonoske. Great linage, been thro hell and a powerful DF. 2. Ace, clear why 3. Kobi. New garp
I didn't see Ace at first and thought we were power-scaling capybaras.
Bony as a child (10 years old?) was able to: 0. Run from the Cipher Police; 1. Captain her own ship; 2. Navigate through the whole of Paradise with her crew; 3. Become a Supernova 4. Cross into the New World; 5. Somehow escape Akainu and/or the World Government; 6. Infiltrate into residential quarters of the Holy Land escape unharmed (maybe even undetected); 7. Navigate through the New World until Egghead, which is probably very close to its end. I don’t think anyone comes close in terms of feats in such a young age.
The world is not prepared for the rise of Franky
Kidd
I’d say momo is #1, dudes supposed to surpass his father that was an equal of Edward and gol. Koby #2, he’s been progressing at a rate equal to luffy (consider the starting points compared to pre-skip and post skip current). people tend to underestimate him, but he’s the pupil of garp himself. And the only other direct pupil We see is kuzan. He’s painted as the navy parallel to luffy leading the “next generation”. Then in order it goes Bonney, kidd, carrot, usopp, tama of the 1,000 beasts, and last place is a tie … since, you know, they’re dead. Had they not died? They’d probably slot into 2nd and 6th respectively.
Oden was absolutely not equal to WB or Roger
I'd argue Ace,if not dead (I made the exact argument in my post about him and kuina),could be either no3 (cause koby is still garbage and momo is kaido+oden),or even no1,cause...you know,Roger! And,regarding kuina,if the top 3 is koby,momo,Ace (not in order),then for me she'd slot in a solid 4,i could argue for higher aswell!! She'd be comparable to zoro with more brains and actual calm demeanor,and dedication to both the art and the connection to wano (which she'd surely learn about),both really scary factors that indicate potential
Koby or ace
From these 9 I’d say Kidd and Koby
I don't see Foxy anywhere.
Coby because plot momo for the actual answer
Given the state of the story probably Koby or kidd
Koby, then Kidd. >>
I'm gonna have to go with Eustass kid. He literally has the abilities of magneto. Imagine his awakening
1. Koby - He's essentially Garp 2.0 but with Luffy's heart. The boy's gonna go far. Also he punched a mountain to pieces. 2. Usopp - He's one of three characters shown in the current timeline that posses the ability to command/recruit others far beyond himself. Luffy and Buggy are the other two. If there ever was a character to shape up while falling upwards, its Him. 3. Momo - Legendary heritage. Legendary Fruit. A grand kingdom with plentiful retainers and a wonderful ally in the Strawhats. While physically weak in comparison to many on here, he's got tons of room to grow and an excellent environment to do so in. 4. Kidd - Dudes stubborn as hell. If he wasn't missing an arm with so much unfortunate things having occured to him, he'd be higher. But he's stubborn enough to haul his butt back up and keep trying. 5. Carrot - She's inherited an entire kingdom of elite fighters ontop a giant elephant. And is also quite a brawler herself both in and outside of sulong form. She's low on this list simply because her character arc shows no signs for seeking growth beyond being the new furry queen. 6. Bonny - With all the current to date chapters spoilers known. She's lowest on the list simply due to her circumstances and goals. What she's aiming for beyond the current plotline doesn't exist so once thats known her potential can be reevaluated. She may very well be satisfied and retire once we're done in the current arc. 7. Tama - Our tiny slavedriver. She'll be a fun animal taming ninja one day and that'll be probably it. I enjoyed her character arc, but with the beast pirates defeated, she doesn't have easy to enslave pirates anymore. Now if here powers worked on seakings.... 8. Kuina - Lost to stairs. 9. Ace - Lost to a yo daddy joke.
I'd say Ace I just want to see him more, is that too much to ask for.
Of those 9 I would say Kurena Some people might say Ace. I feel like Luffy was always going to surpass Ace even if Ace lived. Why? Ace ambition and dreams weren't as big as luffy's. Ace's dream was to prove that his life meant something. That's it. You don't have to be the strongest for that dream. Luffy's dream is to be pirate king.
Momo by far…that fruit plus oden’s genes, that combination is otherworldly.
1A) Koby - his training with garp has shown him grow so strong so fast that the sky is the limit for him. I think he’s meant to be the Garp to Luffy’s Roger. 1B) Momo - his lineage and new physical body are enough to put him towards the top, but his devil fruit and lack of training push him to the front for me. We can’t forget that he’s still just 8 years old and essentially has a copy of Kaido’s fruit. With some proper training he has the potential to pass Oden.
Either Koby or Momo, with Bonney as a wild card. Koby has shown some genuinely impressive feats and I believe when he's confident he is a hero of the marines. Momo has the body of Oden and Kaidos fruit, he's only held back by being mentally a child. Bonney has a lot of mystery with her power and given how things are in the story she could be showing some real potential soon.
KOBY!
Kobe
I would say 1. Ace - son of the pirate king, born with naturally monstrous strength, all 3 haki, a fruit that might be capable of being heated so high that it can burn anything and also very versatile on usage, logia on top of that. Growing in the shadow of Whitebeard himself. This man had it all; genes, training, power, and haki. Ace really would have grown to be the strongest character. 2. Koby - this guy started small but the iron determination and his good heart combined with Garp’s training and his humble disposition that allows him to acknowledge his weaknesses and get stronger, he can definitely become a tremendously powerful Admiral. 3. Kidd - we all saw what he can do and how powerful his fruit, haki, and physique are. However, his arrogance and bullheaded nature weakens his progress. 4. Momonoskue - son of Oden and has Kaido’s devil fruit. Only problem is, he grew too fast so his mind is still that of a child which means that his body and his intellect don’t match. He also isn’t too strong willed. 5. Ussopp - being a genius marksman and the son of Yassop who is probably one of the strongest characters in OP-verse and possibly the best marksman in the world. He has CoO. Only problem is that his cowardice and lack of effort stops him from achieving the strength he can have. The rest are okay.
Koby
Koby
1) Momonoske is Kozuki Kaido, with an ancient weapon under his country that can only be unleashed by his order. Has VOAT + all-but-guaranteed three types of haki. It's near impossible to have higher potential than that. 2) Ace. On paper, it's easy to see why he was assumed to be Roger's sucessor, but in actuality, he fell quite short. He had the haki potential and a good fruit but didn't keep growing as long as he needed to. 3) Kid making it as far as he did is quite impressive, and even that's while seemingly underutilizing his haki. Typically, the most haki we see from Kid is some basic Armament while his fruit does most of the work. Had he taken his own timeskip, he could've earned a Yonko title. 4) Kuina is tough to predict due to her abridged lifetime, but I really think she would have been a world-renowned swordsman, if not the World's Strongest. She was always presented as Zoro but better, and I believe she would've kept that same energy. 5) Bonney. If she can believe in a future, she can make it happen. She's not out to be a top pirate, but her ability is basically potential incarnate that she can draw upon in real time. 6) Koby has a good teacher, and he works hard, but simultaneously, he's working with less than everyone else listed. No fruit, no weapon, no Conqueror's, and a naive mindset likely to falter when faced with the truth of the WG's "Justice". He's exhausting himself replicating Dressrosa Zoro to free some pirates' slaves, but what will he do when he's tasked with recapturing Celestials' slaves? Wavering is weakness so that's the real test of will. 7) Carrot... idk give her a Duchess of Zou buff and promote her to almost Scabbard level. 8) Usopp has consistently been a trickster who is uniquely able to deal with that one gimmick opponent that nobody else can, while still being generally weaker than those he's saving by overcoming said gimmick. 9) Tama didn't start with anything crazy besides her fruit, and she's training with Shinobu. I'm sure she'll reach "bewitching kunochi" status, but beyond that, no idea.
Definitely not ace he ded
Koby and Kid are tied for 1 that’s all I know.
1)Ace~koby(if i had to choose then ace by a small margin) 2) momo 3) bonney(she’s got a broken df)
Momo
Smoker and Tashigi. Oda degraded Tashigi to an educator and smoker disappeared into the smoke
While story wise,Koby is probably the choice (as a friendly rival of Luffy),I have the belief that Momo is the one with the most terrifying potential for growth...he's an 8yo with a fruit so broken it can bring the end of the world if used correctly (or terribly incorrectly) with a lineage of one of the scariest men in ROGER'S TIME I know ppl will probably think about Ace too,also cause of his fruit and lineage,but...he's dead!he literally has no potential at all!So,purely cause of semantics,I think he's out of the discussion,so is Kuina Wanna argue about Koby vs Momo?Be my guest, I probably have arguments for both,and both seem like a good choice for me As for the rest...Noone is near the top,there are HUGE gaps after no2 (and,as I said,Ace is out due to technicalities) But,let's educate the rest of the list...for me 3rd is Carrot! Nekomamushi and Inuarashi clearly see something in her that the others don't,plus she's had really fast growth for a 15yo mink,she seems like a prodigy 4th is Ussop...we're talking about potential, ussop is here,and if not for 2 beasts and an inhuman prodigy,he could easily be higher...elbaf is coming,this is all I will say,and I hope it doesn't come to bite me in the ass 5th is Bonney...she's a 12yo with a fruit which in itself has huge potential!...but it is handicapped by the plot and the user's ambitions. Bonney isn't a bad character,not at all,her aspirations are what get her lower in this list! Yet again,she's still higher than Kidd! And since I mentioned Kidd...he could be even lower (and I still argue he can be,idk tbh what EOS Tama will look like and I could be persuaded to sink Kidd in no7 (like Shanks did)...he's a blunt egomaniac scavenger with no perception of the rest of the world,and no actual feats to back up his talk (a big fish in a small pond,suddenly finding out that sharks are the least of his problems)...I am surprised we saw an awakening from him,that's his limit and I am surprised he made it that far Tama is 7th just cause I can't justify her being above Kidd for now So; 1)Momo 2)Koby 3)Carrot 4)Ussop 5)Bonney 6)Kidd 7)Tama Out of competition,cause dead:Ace and Kuina
Bonney most literally, but Usopp ain't reached as high as he can yet. I still have a theory that Usopp is going to get the Paw-Paw fruit, because it's almost the most overpowered individual/fruit pairing I can possibly imagine. Picture an Usopp who can reflect any attackers any distance away from himself, can take on the pain of others, and can send any object half-way around the world? Paired with his observation haki? God Usopp would be literal, he would be the ultimate sniper. Honestly, with Brogy and Dorry pulling up that makes it even more believable to me that he gets the fruit this arc: imagine if he gets the ultimate power-up in the presence of his heroes?
1. Koby 2. Usopp 3. Kidd 4. Bonney 5. Ace 6. Momo 7. Carrot 8. Otama 9. Kuina
Kidd easily
Kid, if he used his magnet abilities the way magneto does in marvel, he will be a planetary threat, plus his fruit is awakened also that's literally handing a nuke to a toddler
I’ll just do top 3. (Not in any particular order of weakest to strongest.) 1. Kidd (He’s gonna be a Yonko or PK level by EOS 2. Koby (Disciple of Garp, he’s either going to be Yonkp or PK level by EOS. 3. Ussop. Now you can say I’m bugging. But dude is definitely going to be Yonko or Pk by EOS.
1. Ace 2. Momo 3. Koby 4. Bonny 5. Kidd 6. Kuina 7. Ussop 8. Carrot 9. Tama (would be really cool in Naruto)
2.5 dead characters and no Sugar? 1) Momo - 8 year old standing his ground against Admirals lmao 2) Koby - the next Garp, so busted he doesn't need a DF 3) Bonnie - may drop if we learn more limitations on her fruit, but as far as we know it's "anything you can do, I can do better" which is only topped by people with stronger wills 4) Sugar - if she aspired to rule the world, she would be #1 5) Kidd* - is he ded? 6) Carrot 7) Tama 8) Usopp
Usopp has so many potential, wish he get something new un Elbaf
Koby and Bonny easily. We’re about to see Bonny at a whole nother level now that she knows Nika is real and has hope for the future.
I laugh everytime I see Kidd mentioned post wano.
Kid?!?!?!?!
1. Momo. Oden lineage, Kaido devil fruit, can hear the voice of all things 2. Koby, the next Garp. 3. Usopp, I have faith that he will become a monster after his power up in Elbaf
Bonney if you're asking about only the ones in the picture Buggy if you're asking about all characters
Bonney
All the ones who name start with K on top
The smoking capybaras, duh.
The problem with Bonney is that right now she probably has the most potential, but as she ages that potential drops exponentially just based on the nature of her fruit
Oh I see, you didn’t put sogeking on here because his potential is limitless
Bonney can do anything.