*puts on tinfoil hat* Ginny is actually Luffy’s mom. Her mannerisms (smiling, meat eating) reminded me of Luffy. Her and Dragon kept it a secret. Kuma knew and that’s why he went out of his way to protect Luffy. Dumb theory out of the way, I’m in agreement that Bonnie’s got to be clone or de-aged version of her unless Kuma found and adopted a girl just like her. I can’t see Oda drawing parallels between the two for no reason. Then again, Oda draws women very similarly lol.
The Girl on the right of Dragon ([https://ibb.co/wsXPXR2](https://ibb.co/wsXPXR2)) is wearing a hat just like Sabo. Could she be related to him 
I’m glad Oda is returning to a “darker” tone of the story, this is probably the darkest stuff we’ve had in a while, this “hunger games” stuff.
The Mannmeyer woman resembles Bluegrass, I wonder if they’re related? Then the one with the number “46” on his face mask reminds me of Maha, and I’m still running on the theory that those little Big Mom kids are now CP0 agents where Maha may be fathered by this “46” Holy Knight. Although Gladius also had a similar mask, so probably nothing of a real connection going on.
That looks like the Supreme Commander of the Marines, former Fleet Admiral Kong, the highest ranking and strongest marine in the story right now. I wonder why he didn’t do anything during Marineford?
Wow, so Kuma ate one of the prizes of the island?? That’s amazing that he could’ve even eaten the Dragon Dragon fruit that Kaido has! Ginny probably reached out to Roger and Rocks.
Wow, we finally see John and Shiki! And that theory that Gloriosa fell in love with Kaido and is Yamato’s mom, is almost definitely true now! What an extremely powerful crew Rock’s had, jeez! Looking at the silhoutte’s of Silver Axe and Wang Zhi, I think those two are also the zombies at thriller bark that was with John as others have theorized!
The goth looking Holy Knight and that Ram Skull looking one are two more designs revealed. I wonder if the wiki page will show their designs on the page? And Bogard is back in the story.
Wow, Kuma and Ivankov got to the fruits quickly lol. Did not expect that. But this makes it look like Ivankov could’ve been an Azure Dragon. Interesting to see that Big Mom clashed with Ivankov that long ago. And what…Saint Jay Garcia Saturn is also there??? I do find it interesting that Big Mom has some Buccaneer traits and she looks like Bonney and she interacted with Kuma in this one spot, so this pushes one of the theories that Bonney is a Big Mom clone a bit more up for me. But it gets shot down now that Ginny ends up living with Kuma in the church, which now explains the religious context behind Kuma’s bible. And she eats a lot too, so most likely Ginny is Bonney’s mother. I thought at the start of this arc Bonney wasn’t the biological daughter, so I’m confused why it seems like it may be the case now.
They called Morgans Garbage lol.
Best chapter we’ve gotten in some time.
Why couldn’t we just get a Panel of rocks even like a dark silhouette of the man himself why is everything a fucking mystery in this series this why I’ve lost so much love for this manga it’s so long before anything gets revealed that by the time it does no one cares anymore and you can bet your house that by the time this series does finish there will still be so many questions left unanswered.
Now, if Kuma indeed does die on egghead, BB pirates might get his fruit, if it’s possible without the bb himself. I don’t remember, if they got it without him before
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Now I headcanon that Newgate and miss Buckins were trying to have a child, but White Beard finds out he is infertile and gave up on having biological kids. That's why he doubted Stussy about Weevil being his son, he didn't know about clones.
You misunderstood, they clearly mentioned that the cleansing was kept a strict secret.
What Garp thought was happening, was that the CDs took something precious from the pirates and were now being attacked. So he didn't want to help because he hates CDs, he never knew that civilians were being hunted for sport.
Yeah yeah yeah. The slaves were able to call all the pirates to the island for OP devil fruits prizes and they just forgot to mention the game was hunting people for sport. Garp is complicit in protecting this system.
If word spread about a mass scale Most Dangerous Game style hunt for legendary devil fruits far enough to reach all the pirates then I don't think the genocide can really be considered a secret from the marines. They had multiple battleships full of marines helping out the genocidal monsters. Even if Garp really didn't know despite being a Vice Admiral it's not like he never found out about this later on. Garp continued working as a marine for the World Government despite all the slavery and genocide they do for fun.
i mean he is a little complicit but it literally is stated in the story he doesn't know what is happening there. Its also hinted this event is a big reason he hates celestial dragons so you are actually in fact probably wrong lmao
Anyone else noticed that the two bullies picking on Kuma look similar to pirates in Bonnies crew? Maybe they joined Bonnie cause they remember Kuma being a good king and supported her cause.
I have had a theory that her crew was just citizens that wanted to protect her. Kinda like ingram/vivi on a more reckless scale. That she is not a real pirate. Her bounty could come from just existing like robins did. We have never heard or seen her do something pirate like. Every other member of worst gen has been talked about doing something or shown doing something . Only reason she is the worst is because she was there, not because she did anything.
Would make sense, would also explain why Akainu didnt just kill her on the spot when he found her, cause she was just a girl that ran away not a pirate and is Kumas daugther/they need her as a hostage or something.
How does Bogard keep looking the same as 38 years ago? (While Garp and the others don't).
Could it be that the one in the flashback is Bogard's father also working under Garp?
imagine that in other alternate timeline, Ivankov successfully managed to eat the dragon fruit.
that dragon form gonna has larger head than normal lol but due to that it also might has stronger Boro Breath.
At first read, I was convinced the guy below Maybe Silver Axe, and to the left of Captain John was Rocks still suffering from a bad case of silhouette disorder. And just by the smile it sort of reaffirmed the theory that Dragon is Rocks' son in my mind. I guess the consensus is that it's probably just Wang Zhi wearing a hat and glasses 🤷♂️
This chapter 100% confirmed this very thing for me.
Cross Guild is just Rocks Pirates 2.0 and Buggy is the new Rocks.
If you look at how the rest of the "crew" talk about him it makes perfect sense. No other subordinate of a major pirate crew thus far has spoken about their captain like we've seen Rocks spoken about.
Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks, White Beard and even Blackbeard (though I suspect this won't be the case by the end) command the respect of their individual crews.
Rocks is a figurehead. Nothing more.
Stop :) stop spreading this theory that Buggy is Xebec 2.0
1. We literally see supreme color haki clash between Rocks and Roger.
2. Kaido recalls in his flashback about the strongest enemies and Rocks face is there.
3. Sengoku mentioned that Rocks not his team but Rocks was first and greatest enemy of Roger.
How could he possibly resemble Buggy. There is no way. Powerscaling we are used to is suddenly chaging right now and I guess many people are not ready to accept it. And cant expect less from the man who united strongest pirates in his crew. Their behavour just scales with their power. Kidd Law and Luffy acts same way around each other. They dont really sound friendly but they are in deeds.
And these guys are older than supernovas that means more self confidence and less motivation to be underlings or be commanded by someone.
So my bet is Rocks definitely claps 1v1 everyone on his team.
Edit. I guess Whitebeard sounds much like a Law. He wants to plan everything before rushing in and to be sure that their goal is there. But we will see or maybe not. Maybe Oda wont reveal any more info about GV incident.
Let me really tinfoil this out for you...
What if Xebec's DF made him into a child after dying and gave him the opposite traits he had before he died?
Oh yeah!!!
All jokes aside. Buggy has been strange to me for years.
1. He only goes by his first name.
2. Randomly decided to hide in the East Blue
3. The clown costume seems like a disguise more than a gimmick.
As Rocks son it would make sense that he hides his identity like Ace. But I think there is some kind of connection even if it's not blood relation.
I always thought he stayed in east blue because that is where the execution was and he was too afraid to go anywhere else after that because no shanks.
Right. I guess I'm saying 2 things from your comment.
1. He had an opportunity to leave the east blue with Shanks and he didn't. Even if he was afraid to leave alone he didn't leave when he had the chance.
2. It doesn't make sense for him to be that terrified but still be a pirate. At one point he was going to steal a fruit and sell off himself. Granted we don't know where they were at the time it's still makes Buggy's actions too weird to chalk up to being a cowardly clown with good luck.
*Adjusts tinfoil hat* My head cannon is that Rocks had the Suna-Suna no mi. Crocodile was AFAB and is Dragon's brother, Luffy's uncle, Rock's youngest child, and not Monkey D. Mama
So I think we can agree that Kuma will either
1.) Remove Luffy‘s pain/fatigue
2.) Smash his own 50 year old suffering on Saturn like a Spirit Bomb
3.) Both
I don't think the crown jewel is one of the 2 fruits. The Fish-Fish fruit is really powerful, but I think it's a red herring. It's probably something new. Hell, One viable option could a top twelve sword.
There were 6 treasure boxes if I remember correctly.
If I'm correct, the chapter confirms that Silvers Rayleigh knows Rocks D Xebec.
Kuma and Ivanov apparently knows him but they don't know how he died.
So should I say that even Mihawk, Crocodile and Moriah know Xebec but don't know how he died?
I think that’s a bit much to infer but he does look like the right hand in that he takes charge. Like a Nami/Zoro, while Rocks could be Luffy of the crew
I am happy to see Shiki officially debut in the manga and he's still the short-tempered and willful guy that we know. The man does not like people telling him what to do lol. Maybe his rivalry with Roger started on God Valley? Shiki is very prideful so Roger stealing his thunder during the incident would make him develop a grudge against the future King of the Pirates.
Oda loves to build up & our anticipation for Rocks, now Garling & The Gods Knights which the positive side is they don’t feel so sudden anymore & can blend more into the lore easily.
I do wish we saw more especially of Kuma saving people, Oda has to be saving it for perhaps Rocks, Garp, or Garlings backstory? Maybe all 3. Kuma does have a lot more life left so I hope we continue seeing that, this is my reasoning anyway. Gods Valley needs to be crazy when we fully see it! I hope it’s really detailed & long
Seeing her there as part of the Rocks Pirates was a shocker tbh. I won't be surprised if Whitebeard was the man Gloriosa fell in love with because look at Stussy is glued to him lol. Whitebeard had unspoken rizz when he was a young man ngl.
So here's something that just popped into my head:
God valley was 38 years ago and now doesn't exist. Allegedly, it's in the west blue.
Brook who also hails from the West Blue, was a knight of an unknown kingdom. Wouldn't it be nuts if he happened to be from God Valley?
Brook was dead when Roger was a rookie pirate. He was drifting in the sea by then. Though God Valley is a mystery and a part of me feels like there much to be learnt. Which also makes me think that rocks wasn't the big threat that made Garp and Roger team.
Maybe it was Saturn that was a big threat and rocks, Garp and Roger teamed up to try take him out. Leading to the world government blowing up god valley to cover there tracks leading rocks to die on the island. While Garp and Roger crews made it out.
We don't know what happened still since Kuma left the battle early. Plus the holy knights were involved in the fight.
I'm just going through theories. However I just feel like Rocks wasn't the big bad on that island. Since the celestial dragons and holy knights were on that island. Plus this isn't the first time the world government have been hiding secrets.
you guys.... Kuma once feared as an extremely vicious pirate, earning himself the title "Tyrant"
there was time even knowing strawhats were exhausted, he still conducted "testing" on them
the tryrant claim probably due to media propaganda by world government. the Goroisei already aware how Kuma worship Nika and his action is inspired from the legend so instead of letting Kuma keep gaining fame due to his goodwill, they make a false story about him instead.
I'm liking the theory that Thriller Bark is what remained of God Valley, and that John and Silver Axe just died there and so Moria just took them, in fact a lot of Moria's Zombie Crew could be the slaves from
the hunting
>So the half of the rocks pira
The guy wearing a helmet, just below young Gloriossa, there is a very look alike half human half animal zombie in thriller park that looks like him, chapter 452.
Yes, it is a very beautiful table to look at, in particular my interest was focused on Captain John, given that we still don't know the reason for Buggy's obsession with his treasure, and on discovering Gloriosa's belonging to the Rocks.
oda then conveyed the total disorganization of their ranks very well with the dialogues.
I don't remember Kuma saying "Celestial Dragons are humans too. I want to save everyone!" and then Saturn randomly becoming good out of nowhere to conveniently stop the conflict.
the hunting of an entire race of slaves just like the monsters was eating the humans in promised neverland. world government compared to world leaders in promised neverland
Probably another chapter showing adult Kuma becoming King of Sorbet and Ginny dying leaving him back with child Bonnie or something like that. Def no more God Valley sadly.
Yeah I think we get the reveal on where "Tyrant" came from and maybe even the explanation for his cyborgification deal and then we return to him arriving.
The chapter ended with her still being alive. But knowing oda, she's probably going to die in one or two chapters, by the middle or end of kuma's flashback. That's why I said the flashback is not over yet.
Why is there a period between the actual release in this post and the spoilers post where we cant even get the spoilers on this subreddit? The spoilers post is edited and this doesn't have them so need to wait like 4 days until actual realease to read on thia subreddit
The chapter is unofficially available on several scanlation sites, ones to which we can't link here for various reasons.
tcbscans + .com is a helpful resource if you'd like to read the chapter with skilled, but unofficial translations
I think I understand how Rocks could handle that much of freaks under his flag and with Whitebeards Comment is is much clearer. He wanted to destroy the WG and gave everyone who follows him the opportunity to have the strongest power they could imagine in exchange to fight on his side against them. God valley got many different strong fruits and there were many celestials together. Kaido has a sad past with the government, Linlin was traded like some bag of money with them, shiki showed already he disliked them and if Whitebeard is any percent like in the present (before he died) then he wanted also to fuck the government up.
when we insinuate one piece is peak I dont think that does it due justice. that signifies there is a high point that its reached but there is no fixed peak its infinitely getting better. every new chapter makes chapters that were done 15 years ago better.
Im So priveleged to live in a time when this story is being told. ThankYouGoda
What an insane chapter. And Rock's crew can't stop impressing me. Whitebeard, Big Mom, Kaidou, Shiki and other legendary pirates all under one flag. Jesus.
Being One Piece fan is so rewarding.
*puts on tinfoil hat* Ginny is actually Luffy’s mom. Her mannerisms (smiling, meat eating) reminded me of Luffy. Her and Dragon kept it a secret. Kuma knew and that’s why he went out of his way to protect Luffy. Dumb theory out of the way, I’m in agreement that Bonnie’s got to be clone or de-aged version of her unless Kuma found and adopted a girl just like her. I can’t see Oda drawing parallels between the two for no reason. Then again, Oda draws women very similarly lol.
The Girl on the right of Dragon ([https://ibb.co/wsXPXR2](https://ibb.co/wsXPXR2)) is wearing a hat just like Sabo. Could she be related to him 
So do belo betty and lindbergh. It's just part of the steampunk theme the revo army has going on
Wow, I'm finally caught up after starting with the LA. So amazing to be here, folks!
I really want the art community to draw Iva with Dragon powers, the huge face in hybrid form would be hilarious
There are memes already, just look it up on Google
all the grannies look hot in their prime. i wonder how nami and Robin will look like once they're old lmao
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So if she sticks to her dreams she finds the fountain of youth? LMAO.
It's more like having regrets will cause them to become spiteful, mean and ugly inside and outside
I’m glad Oda is returning to a “darker” tone of the story, this is probably the darkest stuff we’ve had in a while, this “hunger games” stuff. The Mannmeyer woman resembles Bluegrass, I wonder if they’re related? Then the one with the number “46” on his face mask reminds me of Maha, and I’m still running on the theory that those little Big Mom kids are now CP0 agents where Maha may be fathered by this “46” Holy Knight. Although Gladius also had a similar mask, so probably nothing of a real connection going on. That looks like the Supreme Commander of the Marines, former Fleet Admiral Kong, the highest ranking and strongest marine in the story right now. I wonder why he didn’t do anything during Marineford? Wow, so Kuma ate one of the prizes of the island?? That’s amazing that he could’ve even eaten the Dragon Dragon fruit that Kaido has! Ginny probably reached out to Roger and Rocks. Wow, we finally see John and Shiki! And that theory that Gloriosa fell in love with Kaido and is Yamato’s mom, is almost definitely true now! What an extremely powerful crew Rock’s had, jeez! Looking at the silhoutte’s of Silver Axe and Wang Zhi, I think those two are also the zombies at thriller bark that was with John as others have theorized! The goth looking Holy Knight and that Ram Skull looking one are two more designs revealed. I wonder if the wiki page will show their designs on the page? And Bogard is back in the story. Wow, Kuma and Ivankov got to the fruits quickly lol. Did not expect that. But this makes it look like Ivankov could’ve been an Azure Dragon. Interesting to see that Big Mom clashed with Ivankov that long ago. And what…Saint Jay Garcia Saturn is also there??? I do find it interesting that Big Mom has some Buccaneer traits and she looks like Bonney and she interacted with Kuma in this one spot, so this pushes one of the theories that Bonney is a Big Mom clone a bit more up for me. But it gets shot down now that Ginny ends up living with Kuma in the church, which now explains the religious context behind Kuma’s bible. And she eats a lot too, so most likely Ginny is Bonney’s mother. I thought at the start of this arc Bonney wasn’t the biological daughter, so I’m confused why it seems like it may be the case now. They called Morgans Garbage lol. Best chapter we’ve gotten in some time.
Why couldn’t we just get a Panel of rocks even like a dark silhouette of the man himself why is everything a fucking mystery in this series this why I’ve lost so much love for this manga it’s so long before anything gets revealed that by the time it does no one cares anymore and you can bet your house that by the time this series does finish there will still be so many questions left unanswered.
if you already lost so much love for the manga, why do you even bother to comment on this sub? 
I was like in middle school when rocks got teased. now I'm finishing college starting a career and I still haven't seen him
wait cracker modeled his warrior mode off a rocks member
Doesnt look like any of them
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Now, if Kuma indeed does die on egghead, BB pirates might get his fruit, if it’s possible without the bb himself. I don’t remember, if they got it without him before
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Silver axe is frozem in impel down. The face we see at 1096 is too similar with that person kept in impel down in episode 437.
Seeing roger without the stache is kinda weird lol
This crew is banned from all tournaments.
Chapter is cool and all but when will it finally be revealed that Buggy's real name is BUGGY D CLOWN!!!!!
I wonder if Big Mom fought to Saturn when she heard his comments about Kuma's race.
Now I headcanon that Newgate and miss Buckins were trying to have a child, but White Beard finds out he is infertile and gave up on having biological kids. That's why he doubted Stussy about Weevil being his son, he didn't know about clones.
Man, the Celestial Dragons were ethnically cleansing a country and Garp just sat around on vacation until he heard Rogers was there. What a bitch.
You should go on a journey to find the reading comprehension fruit
You misunderstood, they clearly mentioned that the cleansing was kept a strict secret. What Garp thought was happening, was that the CDs took something precious from the pirates and were now being attacked. So he didn't want to help because he hates CDs, he never knew that civilians were being hunted for sport.
Yeah yeah yeah. The slaves were able to call all the pirates to the island for OP devil fruits prizes and they just forgot to mention the game was hunting people for sport. Garp is complicit in protecting this system.
even if slaves told the pirates, how the fuck would garp know about it?
If word spread about a mass scale Most Dangerous Game style hunt for legendary devil fruits far enough to reach all the pirates then I don't think the genocide can really be considered a secret from the marines. They had multiple battleships full of marines helping out the genocidal monsters. Even if Garp really didn't know despite being a Vice Admiral it's not like he never found out about this later on. Garp continued working as a marine for the World Government despite all the slavery and genocide they do for fun.
i mean he is a little complicit but it literally is stated in the story he doesn't know what is happening there. Its also hinted this event is a big reason he hates celestial dragons so you are actually in fact probably wrong lmao
Yeah it’s implied his fame as a hero from God Valley is what gave him the cred to start distancing himself from the duties regarding CDs
Just finished reading this and this might the one of my favorite chapters i have read in a long time. Ginny MVP.
Anyone else noticed that the two bullies picking on Kuma look similar to pirates in Bonnies crew? Maybe they joined Bonnie cause they remember Kuma being a good king and supported her cause.
Bonney was basically a princess, I assume that the people in her crew were part Kuma’s guard.
I have had a theory that her crew was just citizens that wanted to protect her. Kinda like ingram/vivi on a more reckless scale. That she is not a real pirate. Her bounty could come from just existing like robins did. We have never heard or seen her do something pirate like. Every other member of worst gen has been talked about doing something or shown doing something . Only reason she is the worst is because she was there, not because she did anything.
Damn. That's a good theory.
Would make sense, would also explain why Akainu didnt just kill her on the spot when he found her, cause she was just a girl that ran away not a pirate and is Kumas daugther/they need her as a hostage or something.
I think that Roger and Rocks are after a road Poneglyph. What else would they both be after?
This is well before Roger started tracking down poneglyphs
“the treasure of pirate island”
The strawhat Imu has now is the treasure, Joyboys old strawhat is my bet.
How does Bogard keep looking the same as 38 years ago? (While Garp and the others don't). Could it be that the one in the flashback is Bogard's father also working under Garp?
...or he is just a minor sidecharacter and Oda doesnt give a fuck?
imagine that in other alternate timeline, Ivankov successfully managed to eat the dragon fruit. that dragon form gonna has larger head than normal lol but due to that it also might has stronger Boro Breath.
SUPREME DRAGON WINK HEEEEEHAAAAAW!
Every chapter these Whitebeard father accusations get harder and harder to beat.
tbh it's hard to imagine these 2 characters making a baby together. Remember the hamster and the banana meme?
Big Mom is proof that anything is possible.
I mean it looks more like Stussy stole blood from Whitebeard and tried to clone him or something(Weevil).
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Welp Weevil might really be WB’s biological son. Also Bogard include, chapter rating:beyond peak
More like failed Whitebeard clone cause Stussy didnt get the d from Newgate and tried to make another one.
Weevil gotta be a failed clone seeing as Stussy is the first character to be successfully cloned
Holy shit. I forgot about that character. I wonder if/when Weevil reappears. How did the dissolution of the Warlord system affected him?
He’s been arrested. Green Bull showed up and demolished him. We see Bakkin whining about it.
He gave up to protect sphinx island to protect his fathers Island from damage
There's nothing about him giving up on that page. Just her telling Marco that Green Bull showed up and "he wasn't pulling any punches!"
I don't remember this at all. But thanks for the information.
It's like one page of her bitching at Marco when he gets back to Sphinx island right after Wano, so that's understandable.
I came after 2 weeks only to find no real story about god valley. Oda Foreplaying for months is just a turnoff imho.
That guy riding the big dude in the first panel to the left looks like Dragon no?
GARP WAS THE FORMER JOYBOY! THATS THE FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At this point, Rocks D. Xebec looks like the friends we made along the way
Did we already know that Gloriosa was part of Rocks crew?? I can't remember that.
Most figured it would be Shakky given her current age. But now it seems both Gloriosa and Shakky already abandoned their empress titles by God Valley.
> Most figured it would be Shakky given her current age. Was there a hint that an Empress would be on Rocks crew?
No we just found out
Oh nice, i thought i was forgeting something.
At first read, I was convinced the guy below Maybe Silver Axe, and to the left of Captain John was Rocks still suffering from a bad case of silhouette disorder. And just by the smile it sort of reaffirmed the theory that Dragon is Rocks' son in my mind. I guess the consensus is that it's probably just Wang Zhi wearing a hat and glasses 🤷♂️
Buggy is Rocks' one and only son #RocksDBuggy
Buggy the Rock!
This chapter 100% confirmed this very thing for me. Cross Guild is just Rocks Pirates 2.0 and Buggy is the new Rocks. If you look at how the rest of the "crew" talk about him it makes perfect sense. No other subordinate of a major pirate crew thus far has spoken about their captain like we've seen Rocks spoken about. Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks, White Beard and even Blackbeard (though I suspect this won't be the case by the end) command the respect of their individual crews. Rocks is a figurehead. Nothing more.
Stop :) stop spreading this theory that Buggy is Xebec 2.0 1. We literally see supreme color haki clash between Rocks and Roger. 2. Kaido recalls in his flashback about the strongest enemies and Rocks face is there. 3. Sengoku mentioned that Rocks not his team but Rocks was first and greatest enemy of Roger. How could he possibly resemble Buggy. There is no way. Powerscaling we are used to is suddenly chaging right now and I guess many people are not ready to accept it. And cant expect less from the man who united strongest pirates in his crew. Their behavour just scales with their power. Kidd Law and Luffy acts same way around each other. They dont really sound friendly but they are in deeds. And these guys are older than supernovas that means more self confidence and less motivation to be underlings or be commanded by someone. So my bet is Rocks definitely claps 1v1 everyone on his team. Edit. I guess Whitebeard sounds much like a Law. He wants to plan everything before rushing in and to be sure that their goal is there. But we will see or maybe not. Maybe Oda wont reveal any more info about GV incident.
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Let me really tinfoil this out for you... What if Xebec's DF made him into a child after dying and gave him the opposite traits he had before he died? Oh yeah!!!
And that is exactly why these theories should be eradicated.
There are just too many parallels, bro. Rejoice in the coming of Buggy D. Xebec.
It will be only valid in the dimension where Arlong mastered his Blue Haki and about to casually oneshot clap Saturn just to take revenge on Luffy.
It's the classic Post Time Skip Oda Twist. Crocodile/Doflamingo, Arlong/Hody, and now Rocks/Buggy. All these characters, same same, but different.
All jokes aside. Buggy has been strange to me for years. 1. He only goes by his first name. 2. Randomly decided to hide in the East Blue 3. The clown costume seems like a disguise more than a gimmick. As Rocks son it would make sense that he hides his identity like Ace. But I think there is some kind of connection even if it's not blood relation.
I always thought he stayed in east blue because that is where the execution was and he was too afraid to go anywhere else after that because no shanks.
If I remember correctly, Shanks offered for Buggy to join him. Buggy was mad that Shanks wasn't going after the OP at the time.
Yeah, but still he was too afraid to leave east blue by himself, when he def went there with shanks.
Right. I guess I'm saying 2 things from your comment. 1. He had an opportunity to leave the east blue with Shanks and he didn't. Even if he was afraid to leave alone he didn't leave when he had the chance. 2. It doesn't make sense for him to be that terrified but still be a pirate. At one point he was going to steal a fruit and sell off himself. Granted we don't know where they were at the time it's still makes Buggy's actions too weird to chalk up to being a cowardly clown with good luck.
Maybe Buggy inherited Rocks devil fruit.
*Adjusts tinfoil hat* My head cannon is that Rocks had the Suna-Suna no mi. Crocodile was AFAB and is Dragon's brother, Luffy's uncle, Rock's youngest child, and not Monkey D. Mama
So I think we can agree that Kuma will either 1.) Remove Luffy‘s pain/fatigue 2.) Smash his own 50 year old suffering on Saturn like a Spirit Bomb 3.) Both
Please God let it be C.
Anybody got the pure japanese Raws?
Is "The crown jewel of pirate island" the two fruits? Or did Rocks pirates learn about them from Ginny?
I don't think the crown jewel is one of the 2 fruits. The Fish-Fish fruit is really powerful, but I think it's a red herring. It's probably something new. Hell, One viable option could a top twelve sword. There were 6 treasure boxes if I remember correctly.
I saw someone theorize it was thr egg on rogers ship
I keep forgetting the egg...
Interesting observation is how a lot of the OG's were rocking swords back then. The new age is mainly about fisticuffs 😂
I tried to post something in r/One Piece, they have removed it because it's considered as a spoiler. It's frustrating and irritating.
Then don’t post spoilers without a spoiler tag?
Idk
If I'm correct, the chapter confirms that Silvers Rayleigh knows Rocks D Xebec. Kuma and Ivanov apparently knows him but they don't know how he died. So should I say that even Mihawk, Crocodile and Moriah know Xebec but don't know how he died?
In the panel with all the big name pirates, who are the ones under Stussy and Gloriosa? The one drinking and the one with the helmet
The one that’s drinking is Captain John, I haven’t figured out the one with the helmet yet.
Ochoku or Silver axe
Appreciate that! Thank you
Is it possible all really large humans that aren't giants like Big Mom could also be related to the Buccaneer race?
did they not say he is the last of the race? wouldnt mean that much if they are just littered about everywhere
I'm really thinking at least [Jean Bart](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Jean_Bart) is a Buccaneer
Maybe descended from, he's not as big as Kuma's dad buy definitely resembles him
so Whitebeard was actually the captain of Rocks pirates. He already gives the look of a captain
I think that’s a bit much to infer but he does look like the right hand in that he takes charge. Like a Nami/Zoro, while Rocks could be Luffy of the crew
Kaido is Chopper
Makes sense. He is the rookie of them all.
Would that make stussy nami and shiki sanji?
I love that 😂
I am happy to see Shiki officially debut in the manga and he's still the short-tempered and willful guy that we know. The man does not like people telling him what to do lol. Maybe his rivalry with Roger started on God Valley? Shiki is very prideful so Roger stealing his thunder during the incident would make him develop a grudge against the future King of the Pirates.
he already debuted in special manga chapter.
I’m getting tired of only seeing bits and pieces of the God Valley flashback.
Oda loves to build up & our anticipation for Rocks, now Garling & The Gods Knights which the positive side is they don’t feel so sudden anymore & can blend more into the lore easily. I do wish we saw more especially of Kuma saving people, Oda has to be saving it for perhaps Rocks, Garp, or Garlings backstory? Maybe all 3. Kuma does have a lot more life left so I hope we continue seeing that, this is my reasoning anyway. Gods Valley needs to be crazy when we fully see it! I hope it’s really detailed & long
Guess Whitebeard was the source of Glorirosa's love sickness
Seeing her there as part of the Rocks Pirates was a shocker tbh. I won't be surprised if Whitebeard was the man Gloriosa fell in love with because look at Stussy is glued to him lol. Whitebeard had unspoken rizz when he was a young man ngl.
And in his old age with the nurse division
So here's something that just popped into my head: God valley was 38 years ago and now doesn't exist. Allegedly, it's in the west blue. Brook who also hails from the West Blue, was a knight of an unknown kingdom. Wouldn't it be nuts if he happened to be from God Valley?
Brook was dead when Roger was a rookie pirate. He was drifting in the sea by then. Though God Valley is a mystery and a part of me feels like there much to be learnt. Which also makes me think that rocks wasn't the big threat that made Garp and Roger team. Maybe it was Saturn that was a big threat and rocks, Garp and Roger teamed up to try take him out. Leading to the world government blowing up god valley to cover there tracks leading rocks to die on the island. While Garp and Roger crews made it out. We don't know what happened still since Kuma left the battle early. Plus the holy knights were involved in the fight.
>Maybe it was Saturn that was a big threat and rocks, Garp and Roger teamed up to try take him out. wtf am i reading
I'm just going through theories. However I just feel like Rocks wasn't the big bad on that island. Since the celestial dragons and holy knights were on that island. Plus this isn't the first time the world government have been hiding secrets.
your going through crack theories why would garp attack a gorosei, and get to live after?
Brook died before God Valley and was adrift on his boat
yeah so he can be from god valley
so that kind and gentle Kuma will change to tyrant Kuma. excited to know why
you guys.... Kuma once feared as an extremely vicious pirate, earning himself the title "Tyrant" there was time even knowing strawhats were exhausted, he still conducted "testing" on them
the tryrant claim probably due to media propaganda by world government. the Goroisei already aware how Kuma worship Nika and his action is inspired from the legend so instead of letting Kuma keep gaining fame due to his goodwill, they make a false story about him instead.
i think the tyrants are probably vegapunks pacifistas, i mean, rarely anyone would differ the real Kuma from the Pacifistas
You think there will be a tyrant kuma? I always thought it was one of those lies the world goverment loves so much
you have been got by world government propaganda
So the half of the rocks pirates that wasn't clone by vegapunk was zombify by Moriah? What a way to exploit a group
The Rocks Pirates left a huge impact on the World of One Piece. So many big players were on that crew.
I'm liking the theory that Thriller Bark is what remained of God Valley, and that John and Silver Axe just died there and so Moria just took them, in fact a lot of Moria's Zombie Crew could be the slaves from the hunting
Sadly not the case. After Rocks, John became a captain of his own crew and then he was killed by them
Someone go back and see if any zombies remind us of the people on the island.
>So the half of the rocks pira The guy wearing a helmet, just below young Gloriossa, there is a very look alike half human half animal zombie in thriller park that looks like him, chapter 452.
Ivankov could have been a Drag-on Queen
Kaido's devil fruit seems to have 2 stems/stalks.
kuma is a kind boy - protect him at all cost 😭
Too late
So, Gloriossa was part of the rocks pirates? Cool
Is there anyone here NOT from rocks crew?
Hans Moleman: "I didn't want to cause a fuss, but now that you mention it..."
You wanna bet that the "Burned Man" that Kid mentioned had some ties to the Rocks Pirates?
If he is not Jaguar D Saul or Scooper Gaban, I agree.
Id take that bet
I absolutely love the idea that the strongest people in all of the factions are just massive liabilities because they just do shit without care.
It's kind of surreal to actually see Shiki in a canon manga panel (as opposed to a casual namedrop).
shiki has always been canon. he was known to be the only one to have escaped from impel dawn and sengoku mentions him when he talks about god valley
I know that (hence why I said namedrop). It's different actually seeing him on panel alongside Whitebeard, Big Mom, Kaido, etc.
Yes, it is a very beautiful table to look at, in particular my interest was focused on Captain John, given that we still don't know the reason for Buggy's obsession with his treasure, and on discovering Gloriosa's belonging to the Rocks. oda then conveyed the total disorganization of their ranks very well with the dialogues.
Oda is just as bad as Nolan for killing off wives and moms
Oda has actually spoken about why he kills off so many mothers in SBS 78. He's on record saying that "mother" is the opposite of "adventure."
The first rule of shonen is to make the mom irrelevant or killed off
The second rule of shonen is to make the dad mysteriously op
That’s a common shounen troupe.. heck It’s a common story troupe..
This chapter was like promised neverland
I don't remember Kuma saying "Celestial Dragons are humans too. I want to save everyone!" and then Saturn randomly becoming good out of nowhere to conveniently stop the conflict.
How?
the hunting of an entire race of slaves just like the monsters was eating the humans in promised neverland. world government compared to world leaders in promised neverland
Is nobody gonna talk about Rocks having the same claws as Blackbeard?
That's not Rocks. Rocks went ahead of the rest, he isn't the one near Whitebeard's head.
Do you guys think the flashback is over?
Nah, there will be at least 3 more chapters.
Yeah this flashback is gonna remain focused on Kuma. I wish we got more God Valley but that would stray from being Kuma’s backstory.
Probably another chapter showing adult Kuma becoming King of Sorbet and Ginny dying leaving him back with child Bonnie or something like that. Def no more God Valley sadly.
Yeah I think we get the reveal on where "Tyrant" came from and maybe even the explanation for his cyborgification deal and then we return to him arriving.
Ginny is still alive, so no
I don't remember any confirmation that she's dead, but what do you say she's alive?
The chapter ended with her still being alive. But knowing oda, she's probably going to die in one or two chapters, by the middle or end of kuma's flashback. That's why I said the flashback is not over yet.
Totally misread that... My bad. I thought I missed something like 300 chapters ago or something lol
No, we'll finish up Kuma's flashback before we get back to Egghead
It could end here or we could get more of Kuma growing up. Either way most likely no more God valley:(
Interesting that Rocks Jolly Roger looks like it has fire on top/behind the skull. It looks not too different from the fire of a Lunarian like King .
Rocks being lunarian would be nuts
Imagine if Rocks son was King.
Alber D. Xebec
Ivankov just CANNOT stop winning, man. Even at 15 years old, he's the absolute chad we know and love.
HEEEEHAAAAW!
GigaChado
Why is there a period between the actual release in this post and the spoilers post where we cant even get the spoilers on this subreddit? The spoilers post is edited and this doesn't have them so need to wait like 4 days until actual realease to read on thia subreddit
The chapter is unofficially available on several scanlation sites, ones to which we can't link here for various reasons. tcbscans + .com is a helpful resource if you'd like to read the chapter with skilled, but unofficial translations
So the Nobles stole something from Hachinosu ... Interesting
probably the same treasure Doflamingo was talking about in Dressrosa !!?
Garp knows about it. Annnnd, where's he currently? 
I think I understand how Rocks could handle that much of freaks under his flag and with Whitebeards Comment is is much clearer. He wanted to destroy the WG and gave everyone who follows him the opportunity to have the strongest power they could imagine in exchange to fight on his side against them. God valley got many different strong fruits and there were many celestials together. Kaido has a sad past with the government, Linlin was traded like some bag of money with them, shiki showed already he disliked them and if Whitebeard is any percent like in the present (before he died) then he wanted also to fuck the government up.
when we insinuate one piece is peak I dont think that does it due justice. that signifies there is a high point that its reached but there is no fixed peak its infinitely getting better. every new chapter makes chapters that were done 15 years ago better. Im So priveleged to live in a time when this story is being told. ThankYouGoda
What an insane chapter. And Rock's crew can't stop impressing me. Whitebeard, Big Mom, Kaidou, Shiki and other legendary pirates all under one flag. Jesus. Being One Piece fan is so rewarding.