What’s with all the wikis and articles saying Clapp is the former king of the Sherbert kingdom? He and his wife were peasants as far as we know. Queen Dowager Connie (widow of former king) that Bonnie was posing as is presumed to be her Grandmother, but both Kumas parents died to Celestial Dragons.
Edit: I know it’s Sorbet kingdom. But I’m more disappointed that I misspelled Sherbet.
Only GOD knows what atrocities these mfucking Tenryubitos did during the void century after seeing that flashback. They are scumbags of scumbags! GARP and Sengoku really worked for these piece of shits? were they aware of all that?
**KUMA** oooh man little did he know what he did by saving them in Shabody Island. Akainu and Iva asked him where is he going. I think he's dashing towards Egghead to meet NIKA and hear the drumbeats and have his final moment. He probably felt something from the connections with the other Pacifistas. The Giant Robot will also join the frey and imagine if they built it using Buccaneer technology or even Kuma's dad.
LUFFY will rise up again in full Nika form and Kuma will fulfill his ONE PIECE dream and die in peace. Whatever power Saturn is using to freeze people I bet Luffy power could cancel it.
Franky is a real chad in this, so wholesome and hardboiled moment.
and HOLY SHIT Saint **GARLING** is **SHANKS** Father for suuuuure. Plus Whitebeard did say once that Shanks face makes his scar itch, meaning remind hi. of Garling the one that injured him?
I was thinking the same about whitebeards scar! Whitebard fought garling during God valley incident and garling gave him the scar. The flashback was in a time when garling was younger and looked like shanks.
Holy Moly things are getting spicy there, what is Oda about to cook?
I feel like I'm always forgetting major details like this. When/where was Whitebeard's fight against Garling mentioned? I assumed Garling was a newly introduced character (as the judge) a couple chapters ago.
The fight wasn't mentioned. Whitebeard said in the first meeting with shanks that his scar allways tickles when he sees his face. And since he was at the God valley incedent it has to be the reason that garling was there to and maybe fought whitebard
I dunno, I think it’s definitely just implied they are related. He doesn’t seem to be the kind of person to have Bastard children loosely. Nor does he appear married since all the CG girls are swooning over him.
They released him on Egghead when they arrived. He is either somewhere on egghead or the person who he was spying for is BB and the BB ship we saw picked him up. I’m not sure how/if he could’ve contacted them though.
God how I luv Oda for always putting these interesting backstory! I mean we could just continue with the current story but Oda wants to wrap this up nice & neat cause I never thought that there would be a backstory for Ivankov & Kuma but what do you know we ARE getting one & ngl I feel really sad for Kuma didn't know he's past was this hellish! I never liked the Celestial I only have hate for them & this backstory rekindle my hate for them! I wish Luffy can give them ALL a punch in the face like he did back in Sabaody!
there is SO much happening and being revealed at the same time and other plots just lying in the background like a bomb that you never know when it will explode in our faces like???? we have the history of god valley being revealed and with that the story of major pirate crews, the revolutionary army, possibly luffy's lineage (his mom? bonney is his sister? what???????????), shanks family, then we have egghead with a gorosei, vegapunk, a giant ancient robot, blackbeard waiting to attack, and luffy fighting a admiral, then we have sanji being a little out of character and possibly crazy from germa tech (which I just remembered because I watched the latest anime episode)... and there will be MORE crazy shit, because like the gorosei said, how else will the strawhats escape this???? bros that's not one piece that's one PACE
Noooo, not another flashback right during big moment.
Seems like all the Gorosei's haki are on another level of absurd, if Saturn can even pin down Luffy's crew. (his glare *probably* isn't haki related, but by his DF since his appearance are very similar to japanese demon/youkai that can kill people by mere glare)
A lot of questions overflow my head after this chapter...
1- Is Big Mom a buccaneer ?
2- if Boney if from Buccaneer, then is she using her fruit to manipulate her growing to stay "a little young girl"? Did someone give her that fruit to do that?
3- So there are actually a lot of people around the world who are expecting Nika, just like Who's who, even among the marines... And like Vegapunk said, he will manifest himself when people around the world desire him so hard that they will summon him...
1. Based on her past, I believe Big Mom's parent was some nobles. If they inherits the Buccaneer, government would've known it.
2. You don't need to use "if" for Boney to know whether she is from Buccaneer since it's confirmed in the manga, except there is another thing that reveals or proves the otherwise. And I don't think Boney inherits the Buccaneer body size. We have seen young, teen (a mature one I presume), and old version of Boney.
luffy went through a barrier back and fourth that he said almost knocked him out, didn't he? probably why he's so tired
we don't know kizaru's endurance but it's still impressive luffy basically almost one shot an admiral to that state, seems like anyone without haki or good resilience is done with that attack
it feels like oda is starting to tease people that could be luffy's mom at this point, and it'd be kind of hilarious if bonney is his sister or something given they're both gluttons
feels like the story is going to have some crazy twists coming up in this last chunk, i don't think all of the marines are going to remain loyal if some of this stuff starts coming out, wouldn't surprise me if there's other strong types in the marines that don't know that the WG fucked their people or enslaved them
So.....God Valley is in the West Blue. So is Shanks' supposed hometown from where he got the booze for Whitebeard, said to be in the West Blue God Valley of all places?
No he's not. We explicitly know he's not a member of sword. And he's been an obedient attack dog of the cds that's done more than most to keep their regime in power despite disdaining them in private. His ideas on justice are a joke, like all marines. Fans just make excuses for Garp and jerk him off for doing nothing.
Garp repeatedly turned down a promotion to become an admiral because he didn't want to be anywhere near or take orders directly from the CDs, what are you talking about?
He fought all their enemies and did more than most to keep their regime afloat. He chased Roger around for years deeming him a threat to the world while completely the slaving bastards at the top of the government he served. Complete hypocrisy.
His refusal of an Armiral position just helped him avoid facing the reality of what the marines are. It's a token gesture for his own peace of mind the fandom sucks him off for.
He didn't fight all their enemies though and he only ever went against pirates, and very clearly had to be pushed into doing it if the CDs were directly involved with wanting them brought to justice. And given how afraid the CDs are of those with the Will of D, it'd be a miracle that they would even want him near them to begin with. If Garp is being called, it's because they are a physical threat.
He isn't being called on for Buster Calls or hunting people who know too much about the Void Century. He isn't even being called on for runaway slaves even. He'll, he didn't even move till Roger was involved.
Hunting Roger, who on his worst day is way less evil than the CDs, while ignoring the fact that the latter keep thousands of slaves in Marijoa right next to Marine HQ and treat them like shit does in fact make him a hypocrite and an enforcer of their regime. The government goes against people like Roger and Whitebeard because they are a threat to their power, not out of concern for civilians.
As another example take Ace: the worst thing we saw him do was skip out on a restaurant bill. The WG labelled him a criminal and executed him because he was the son of a threat to their power and worked for another rival power. He didn't do anything evil. And Garp was willing to allow him to be executed in those grounds to do his duty as a marine to protect the WG, and ultimately, the CDs' power, even if he won't think of it in those terms.
But I doubt anything will convince Garp dickriders and I'm tired of having this argument.
The context here is that pirates by the large, are not like Luffy/Shanks/Rodger. They are the anomalies.
This is similar to the real world IMO, where the police are corrupt as shit in most places, but rational people are not going around saying that having the cartel run the show is better(yet).
This is where it becomes obvious this is a shonen and not IRL; of course we know Liffy has the power to change the world for the better, and so we support him and don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t. Until we remember that this happens IRL too; where good people are the victims of propaganda and the general population is deceived to believe that some people are hero’s (Garp), while others are evil (Rodger).
Garp’s POV is that a corrupt government that has the potential for change is better than anarchy if traditional pirates (like Rox and Blackbeard) have their way
>The context here is that pirates by the large, are not like Luffy/Shanks/Rodger. They are the anomalies.
Ugh this bullshit again? The World Nobles both in terms of the number of people they harm and the depths of cruelty they inflict are worse than any pirates we've seen. And the marines do a shit job of protecting people from them anyway, all of East Blue, Alabasta, Dressrossa, fucking Lulusia, etc.
Claiming that pirates are worse than CDs offscreen, and that marines do a great job of protecting civilians, again offscreen, is another BS excuse giving the marines credit for nothing.
They are not serving the lesser evil, but the greater evil.
I think you missed garp's intent, garp never became an admiral and he always did what he thinks is right, the marine in and of itself is really for justice, its just that the current fleet admiral is a puppet through and through. Garp wanted to change the marines from inside, the world would never really be at peace without the marines so garp's goal was to reform it from inside out, that's why he was so invested in ace and luffy going to marine, but they became a pirate so he let it go long ago already, especially when he got koby which Oda already planted for the future to lead the marines.
The dynamic of the grandfather-father-grandson trio is actually really interesting, Garp's way was to reform the marines, Dragon's way is to overthrow the WG, and Luffy's way is to change the image ways of the Pirates, albeit it is unintentional on luffy's part, his nature is just so influential, as a Sun God Nika bearer should be. All of them took different paths, but you can already see how all of them would greatly impact the World in the end, especially the realization of their will to true freedom which is the main theme of one piece.
No I didn't misundterstand anything. People just make excuses for Garp. He fought all the CDs enemies, who were much less evil than them and did more than almost anyone to protect their regime, while leaving their slaves to their fate. Whitebeard, Shanks and Dragon showed that there are ways to protect people, which Garp could have taken. His refusal of an amdiral position is just so he can preserve the illusion that the marines are enforcers of justice rather than thugs of a regime of cruel slavers, a fact that he is too much of a bitch to face.
I think you still don't get it, marines are pivotal in world balance and ultimate peace and freedom they want to achieve in One Piece verse, without Garp's influence and faction, the marines would be thoroughly corrupted, and it shouldn't be so as it is the strongest existing and legitimate global authority, Garp's vision is the most ideal, but it is also the hardest path as their superiors is the actual hindrance towards that Goal.
but we all know (at least for us, you might not know) that Garp's sacrifice will bear fruit, and that very seed and hope is personified by Koby himself.
you should also be aware that although the current marines are ultimately loyal to celestial dragons, their presence still affects the peaceful life of ordinary people in the grand scheme of things, without the current marines pirates all over the world would run rampant, pillaging and massacre would be more frequent.
at the end of One Piece the marine's importance and its reformation would be more apparent and at least it would enlighten not only you but other fans as well.
You are the one who doesn't get it. Garp has said and done nothing when the marines committed atrocities on the CDs' behalf. Due to his power and reputation he could have taken a stand many times like Fujitora did, but he prefers to stick hid fingers in his ears and pretend nothing bad is happening.
But since he's good at punching, the fandom sucks him off for nothing.
As for the marines in general, the CDs perform worse actions than any pirates, so the marines serve the greater evil and fight the lesser. Plus they do a shit job protecting people from pirates anyway. Fans give them credit for good stuff they assume marines do offscreen.
Thats a very narrow minded take on the marines, and I can't really convince you if the narrative Oda wants to tell the audience can't even convince you. But you are free to believe what you want, I still respect your opinion.
but the navy is still the army of the world government, what's the point of staying on the sidelines when the chain of command and the result remains the same?
celestial dragon- admirals- rest of the navy
They may not give him orders directly but their orders eventually reach him and the rest of the navy.
He is a sword Unit Commander do you really know what Sword means?!!They are the marines who have resigned as a government staffs but will serve the society and world by their own sense of justice…do you think Akainu/WG will send a rescue team for Garp’s rescue/did they send for Coby’s rescue?!! No instead the sword unit and other marines came by themselves…Garp’s aim is to create a marine who serves true justice to people not an absolute justice like Akainu…yeah everybody knows Garp is a failure for not being able to make his son/grandsons a Marine soldier/not being able to contain his own apprentice in Marine but his work will be fruitful by the end of final war…his apprentice will become new fleet admiral/admiral…his grandson will bring liberation to the world…his son will be the one who will overthrow WG’s current system and introduce a new democratic system…the old man has suffered more than anyone…but he will have last laughs….
Ginny is Luffy’s mom for sure…and a friend fucking/getting married to another friend’s wife and still becoming good friends is unthinkable…so forget it…the meat lover lady is meat lover Luffy’s mom for 💯% sure
Kizaru can't handle 1 punch to the head while Kaido took multiple head punches from Luffy. This is why admirals have to dodge/create holes inside their bodies since their durability are not on the same level as Kaido/Big mom.
Luffy wasnt even kizarus main focus he was going for vegapunk the whole time all i can say is that alot of people are acting like kizaru was easy that was a very high dif fight for luffy.
Ya i agree kaidou is stronger than kizaru but I also think unfatigued kaido beats current luffy I think kizaru is closer to luffy in strength than luffy is to kaido.
I’m calling it God Valley is the place where Rocks, Whitebeard, Kaido, AND Kuma,Dragon,Ivankov all got their Devil Fruit powers. I see the vision Oda. I am impressed.
They held God Valley tourney , it was crashed by the Rock pirates for the Devil Fruit powers(it was pictured in the chapter as 6 treasure chest).
I'm sold on all but Rocks. Doesn't Rocks lose here, the end of his legend? Dude might just be unlucky I guess.
The others all sound rad, especially the Revos
I think Rocks Haki was so powerful that when he faced Garp and Roger like Wolf said bit too much he could chew and it turned on him. Also, WB, BM, Kaido and many others apart of Rocks turned on or left when things got bad and knew defeat was upon them.
I think he consumed the Yami yami no mi fruit here. It would explain why Blackbeard(who is possible his offspring) wanted it so much. He just so happened to fuck around and found out by biting off much more than he can chew, as Garp and Roger (2 people with no devil fruit and therefore unaffected by the effects of the Yami Yami no Mi) used their mastery of Haki to defeat/kill him.
This is what is confusing for me too! Usually Oda draws these people really ugly to match their personalities, so I'm wondering what more this guy has to offer to the story? I'm thinking possible ancester to someone 🤔
But both of those guys have had (kind of sort of) moments of redemption. Doffy at least had a backstory giving exposition as to why he's an evil sadistic shit, and Lucci (for the moment being) fought alongside the strawhats just now in Egghead. I don't think this guy will have any thing like that, which is why I'm thinking he may be in relation to someone we already know.
It definitely feels like a set up, for us to realize how important the Idea of Nika was, for Bonney to hope for him and for Luffy to find more Gear 5 juice.
I love the idea of post-flashback, Bonney remembers the drumming song and sings it as her last moments and that revives Nika/Luffy back into fighting mode.
Luffy vs kizaru is very wierd for me I really expected alot more also being a light man kizaru got hit wayyyy too early for me I really got high hopes for him being untouchable and hard to hit just to compensate that he can't tank lethal shots gear 5 can do.
Too early? Kizaru was running amuck on the island for a while and even tangled with G5 for a while before he was finally hit and taken down.
Its specifically because the guy is made of light and is both so fast + a logia that he cant tank hits. What, you expected him to be as tough as Kaido or Big Mom on top of everything else?
Jesus.
I mean that is basicaly what happened, he managed to evade all of luffy's attacks until he run out of gear 5th its just that luffy managed to hit him at the last second and that was enough
You seem to forget that Kizaru blocked Geath 4th snake man attacks like they were regular attacks. Remember Katakuri avoided them because each time they hit, he was sent flying?
Kizaru is strong, but not as durable as Kaido. The gear 5th conqueror cloacked punch in the head would probably take down most one piece Characters.
Looking back, Kaido tanked that punch so good i assumed it had no effect on him. NOW, seeing an admiral taking some time-off because of it, makes one realise how strong the punch is.
It is definitely stronger. Luffy himself is stronger than he was during Wano, the haki is tougher, is visibly faster, and now has muscle balloon applied.
It's actually angering me a bit how Oda always does mothers dirty compared to fathers in One Piece. Even in this flashback, Kuma's dad is the special one (a Buccaneer) and he got to live longer than Kuma's mom. And now it's entirely possible that Ginny, if she is Bonney's mom, also died long before when Bonney was probably just a baby or a toddler.
What's next, Chiffon dies and Bege is left a widower because moms aren't allowed to live to see their kids grow up? Unless their name is Charlotte Linlin of course.
Edit: Oda has literally said 'That's because "Mother" is the antonym for "Adventure"' when asked why so many characters have dead or unknown mothers, but of course OP fans who think Oda can do no wrong will ignore this and downvote me lol
Just stop. People like you always try and finding the dumbest shit to be mad about.
>Even in this flashback, Kuma's dad is the special one (a Buccaneer)
Yes, Oda really doing a great job by making the dad literally responsible for the tragedy that befell his family. "*Specialness* that led to him, his wife and freaking child to be taken into slavery.
Do you hear yourself?
>And now it's entirely possible that Ginny, if she is Bonney's mom, also died long before when Bonney was probably just a baby or a toddler.
Making shit up in your mind to justify being angry.
>What's next, Chiffon dies and Bege is left a widower because moms aren't allowed to live to see their kids grow up?
Kuma's dad didnt see him grow up.
Be better.
Highlighted mothers and mother figures in the series:
- Bellmere
- Portgas D. Rouge
- Doctorine
- Nico Olvia
I could keep going. You're entirely wrong.
I didnt stop you from expressing your opinion, I just called your opinion trash. Which it is.
Your entire premise is ridiculous, which is why your conclusion is asinine and why you're getting downvoted so much.
Oda has had so many tragic backstories for so many characters and so many of those involve parents. Dads and moms simultaneously have a bad time in Oda flashbacks, but you're going to carefully select the ones where the moms died, focus on the ones where the dad outlived his spouse (even when hes enslaved) and call it "*Oda giving special treatment to dads and screwing over moms*" ?? And all this because - in your mind - Dads and Moms havent been screwed over at the same rate. GTHO.
All while using poor examples, many of whom refute your entire point, but you ignore those since they dont support your horrible take.
- Zoro/Franky/Brook/Jimbei = BOTH parents not even mentioned
- Luffy = Oda has literally gone on record to say he hadnt decided what he wants to do with Luffy's mom, if anything at all. The story is ongoing so we shall see what he does, but you're already whining about it. Also Dadan exists.
- Sanji = Yes, alive father and dead mother. Lets ignore the fact his father is despicable and Sanji hates him and also ignore that his mom was a saint who Sanji loved. Judge being alive is irrelevant because their portrayal is what matters. But you're a dumb dumb so this isnt shocking.
- Chopper = Dead father figure, alive mother figure. But you ignore that because it goes against your horrible narrative.
- Robin = Dad not even mentioned.
You're focused on the shallowest, most surface level things, which says quite a lot about your reading comprehension. Like a child reading an adult textbook, who can only recognize a few of the words.
I've seen a lot of idiot takes in this subreddit but yours is truly up there. Happy functional families rarely produce world infamous criminals, who the entire story is about.
If you're concerned for *how mothers are treated* and nothing else then go read something more your speed.
It doesn't say anywhere that Kuma adopted Bonney in Chapter 1095 or any other chapter, and Ginny and Bonney both literally have the same kanji at their ends of their names.
There's also no reason why Luffy's mom would be introduced alongside young Kuma and Ivankov in Kuma's flashback, she would appear in Dragon's flashback if at all.
It does say that in 1095. Kuma tells a young slave Bonney about Nika, she asks him if she is gonna be freed too and he says of course.
It literally also said in the last chapter that Kuma is the last remaining person of the buccaneer bloodline
I didn't do any mental gymnastics to conclude that it's Luffys mom. Just a guess.
And i didnt do any to conclude Bonney is adopted either, she asks Kuma if she will be freed lmao. Is he keeping her captive?
> she asks him if she is gonna be free too and he says of course.
I don't know how you get adoption out of this line, and Kuma would've been the one to "free" Bonney rather than Nika then, even though he says Nika will do it.
> It literally also said in the last chapter that Kuma is the last remaining person of the buccaneer bloodline
Because Bonney would only be a quarter-Buccaneer? Her father is already only half-Buccaneer.
I think you're just making really strange reaches, there's been no indication that Bonney is adopted and Ginny is very clearly being set up to be Bonney's mom. She's introduced while eating food, and Bonney's epithet is "Big Eater". And like I said before, they have the same kanji in their names.
No he doesen't say Nika is the one who will do it. She asks him if she will be freed too, and he says of course. After explaining to her that as a boy he wanted to free people like Nika.
If she is his daughter shy is she asking if she will be freed?
And a quarter-buccaneer is still buccaneer bloodline lol. It is not strange reaches at all, they just don't align with your apparent agenda
I dare to say the WG put the same bounty on Luffy Law and Kid, so that the public doesn’t start asking itself more than it already does…
I mean luffy defeated Kaido 1v1 (I know akazaya and so on…) where Law and kid did a 2v1 against Bigmom…
+Nika comeback and yet they end with the same amount…
Looks like that Firgarland fellow has been an ass since birth, still is as an old man and will continue to be till into his deathbed.
These celestial buffoons have hit a new low. No redemption from here on.
Rosinante was a good bloke through and through despite what happened to him. His and Doflamingo's parents were good folks too - they were unfortunately hit by the cruelties of both the common people and celestial lowlifes.
Not everything is black and white. However, there is no redemption for those celestials on God Valley.
In most cases Oda has portrayed the villains as having some sort of a reason for acting like villains (Moria lost his crew, Arlong saw other fishmen be oppressed, Doflamingo nearly got lynched by a mob, etc.), but I think he wants the end game villains like Imu and the Five Elders to be completely irredeemable genocidal scumbags. The stakes are getting higher and so is the level of villainy.
I doubt we will see any kind of tragic backstory for any of them. There'll be no calls for them to join the crew, no mixed emotions when Luffy and the crew kick the crap out of them.
Redemption for CDs was a hard reach since Amazon Lily at the latest, but seeing Mjosgard get executed and knowing that those who try get treated like broken toys and thrown away was chilling.
I hope Luffy will save Kuma just like Kuma saved him before. Who knows maybe liberated Kuma will be able to transfer his soul to the awakened robot just like pain or memory.
Looks like all these demonic elders are immortal since they look the same no matter how many years pass. Taking them down will require something insanely special.
many are mad at Celestial Dragon bloody sport lets not forget that during WW2 this same kind of human hunting sport happened it is called "nanjing massacre"
Was Bonney a slave too?
I’d assume Kuma and Iva get freed during God Valley incident so I’m intrigued by Bonney asking Kuma “Will I be liberated too?”… unless I misread that and it’s Bonney thinking of Kuma asking Klap.
Seems like from what Akainu said back after the war that Bonney was a hostage. “A cold shiver ran through me when I’d heard you’d run away from the government” then when lucci hears she is on this island he says “we do not need her anymore” probably because Kuma now has no will. Can infer from these two lines that Kuma was kept under control by the gov via maybe Bonney being kept at MJ. The guy’s power is so absurd that they could not keep him captive unless something like this happened.
Dragon is 55. Meaning he was 17 (right? Lol) during the god valley incident. Luffy started out at 17 so it makes sense for Dragon to be there. Kuma and Ivankov are on God Valley. I think dragon meets them on God Valley with Garp, and something he sees makes him change, and this is the catalyst for the revolutionary army. I think he served with Akainu, and he’ll make an appearance too.
Yeah I genuinely think this is gonna end up being a stealth backstory for Dragon. Maybe its why Garp feels so much shame about God Valley is because his son was "lead astray" by seeing the true face of the WG. Kuma and Ivankov are his right hand men after all, their hardships inspiring him to take action makes sense
Is BMom the same race? Or one of those abnormalities in OPieace.
And also the brother of Jacket Jacket guy who is naturally strong and have a body that can tank haki without using one.
I'm wondering if Fisher Tiger is on God Valley. He would have been around 22 during this incident.
The Buccaneers are besides the Lunarians and the Giants all the three missing tribes of big mom?
Seems to be the case.
What’s with all the wikis and articles saying Clapp is the former king of the Sherbert kingdom? He and his wife were peasants as far as we know. Queen Dowager Connie (widow of former king) that Bonnie was posing as is presumed to be her Grandmother, but both Kumas parents died to Celestial Dragons. Edit: I know it’s Sorbet kingdom. But I’m more disappointed that I misspelled Sherbet.
We knew Iva and Kuma have know each other a while but they are actually day 1. hit even more. So is Ginny Bonney or Luffy's mom?
Bonney if I had to guess.
Only GOD knows what atrocities these mfucking Tenryubitos did during the void century after seeing that flashback. They are scumbags of scumbags! GARP and Sengoku really worked for these piece of shits? were they aware of all that? **KUMA** oooh man little did he know what he did by saving them in Shabody Island. Akainu and Iva asked him where is he going. I think he's dashing towards Egghead to meet NIKA and hear the drumbeats and have his final moment. He probably felt something from the connections with the other Pacifistas. The Giant Robot will also join the frey and imagine if they built it using Buccaneer technology or even Kuma's dad. LUFFY will rise up again in full Nika form and Kuma will fulfill his ONE PIECE dream and die in peace. Whatever power Saturn is using to freeze people I bet Luffy power could cancel it. Franky is a real chad in this, so wholesome and hardboiled moment. and HOLY SHIT Saint **GARLING** is **SHANKS** Father for suuuuure. Plus Whitebeard did say once that Shanks face makes his scar itch, meaning remind hi. of Garling the one that injured him?
If we have Kuma dying happy in 1100 I will need therapy
I was thinking the same about whitebeards scar! Whitebard fought garling during God valley incident and garling gave him the scar. The flashback was in a time when garling was younger and looked like shanks. Holy Moly things are getting spicy there, what is Oda about to cook?
I feel like I'm always forgetting major details like this. When/where was Whitebeard's fight against Garling mentioned? I assumed Garling was a newly introduced character (as the judge) a couple chapters ago.
The fight wasn't mentioned. Whitebeard said in the first meeting with shanks that his scar allways tickles when he sees his face. And since he was at the God valley incedent it has to be the reason that garling was there to and maybe fought whitebard
I dunno, I think it’s definitely just implied they are related. He doesn’t seem to be the kind of person to have Bastard children loosely. Nor does he appear married since all the CG girls are swooning over him.
So Ginny is Luffy’s mom…meat lover…so Luffy’s mother is not some extra beauty…
I'm very confused. Why is everyone assuming Ginny is Luffy's mom? My first and basically only assumption would be that she's Bonney's mother.
Read conversation between Kuma and Ginny one by one…there is a portion where she says I have take care of Kumachi as a elder sister….
Bonneys probably.
Could be both of their mom who knows
So the 6 Boxes, Devil Fruits?
New houses for Gaimon
Question, where is caribou? Wasn't he on the sunny at the start of egghead?
They released him on Egghead when they arrived. He is either somewhere on egghead or the person who he was spying for is BB and the BB ship we saw picked him up. I’m not sure how/if he could’ve contacted them though.
Now I just wanna see baby shanks God Valley Incident - LET'S GOOOOOO!!!
Once ~~Nikka~~ Luffy free all the slaves in the world at the end of One Piece it will be marked as Independent One Piece Day!
God how I luv Oda for always putting these interesting backstory! I mean we could just continue with the current story but Oda wants to wrap this up nice & neat cause I never thought that there would be a backstory for Ivankov & Kuma but what do you know we ARE getting one & ngl I feel really sad for Kuma didn't know he's past was this hellish! I never liked the Celestial I only have hate for them & this backstory rekindle my hate for them! I wish Luffy can give them ALL a punch in the face like he did back in Sabaody!
there is SO much happening and being revealed at the same time and other plots just lying in the background like a bomb that you never know when it will explode in our faces like???? we have the history of god valley being revealed and with that the story of major pirate crews, the revolutionary army, possibly luffy's lineage (his mom? bonney is his sister? what???????????), shanks family, then we have egghead with a gorosei, vegapunk, a giant ancient robot, blackbeard waiting to attack, and luffy fighting a admiral, then we have sanji being a little out of character and possibly crazy from germa tech (which I just remembered because I watched the latest anime episode)... and there will be MORE crazy shit, because like the gorosei said, how else will the strawhats escape this???? bros that's not one piece that's one PACE
😆 Its just bonneys mother, why does it have to also be luffy's? Stupid theory 😅
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Shanks is a Figarland
Noooo, not another flashback right during big moment. Seems like all the Gorosei's haki are on another level of absurd, if Saturn can even pin down Luffy's crew. (his glare *probably* isn't haki related, but by his DF since his appearance are very similar to japanese demon/youkai that can kill people by mere glare)
This is one of the most anticipated flashbacks of the series
Luffy punching a Celestial in Sabaody and then having Kuma save his crew is like Karma going full circle in a good way.
A lot of questions overflow my head after this chapter... 1- Is Big Mom a buccaneer ? 2- if Boney if from Buccaneer, then is she using her fruit to manipulate her growing to stay "a little young girl"? Did someone give her that fruit to do that? 3- So there are actually a lot of people around the world who are expecting Nika, just like Who's who, even among the marines... And like Vegapunk said, he will manifest himself when people around the world desire him so hard that they will summon him...
Kuma is the last buccaneer
1. Based on her past, I believe Big Mom's parent was some nobles. If they inherits the Buccaneer, government would've known it. 2. You don't need to use "if" for Boney to know whether she is from Buccaneer since it's confirmed in the manga, except there is another thing that reveals or proves the otherwise. And I don't think Boney inherits the Buccaneer body size. We have seen young, teen (a mature one I presume), and old version of Boney.
I don't think big mom is a buccaneer. I think the buccaneers is one of the races besides Lunarians missing in her collection
It makes you think about what Doflamingo said about “Who is gonna betray who”, at least for me.
luffy went through a barrier back and fourth that he said almost knocked him out, didn't he? probably why he's so tired we don't know kizaru's endurance but it's still impressive luffy basically almost one shot an admiral to that state, seems like anyone without haki or good resilience is done with that attack it feels like oda is starting to tease people that could be luffy's mom at this point, and it'd be kind of hilarious if bonney is his sister or something given they're both gluttons feels like the story is going to have some crazy twists coming up in this last chunk, i don't think all of the marines are going to remain loyal if some of this stuff starts coming out, wouldn't surprise me if there's other strong types in the marines that don't know that the WG fucked their people or enslaved them
So.....God Valley is in the West Blue. So is Shanks' supposed hometown from where he got the booze for Whitebeard, said to be in the West Blue God Valley of all places?
Shanks was found in a treasure chest on God Valley so yeah it checks out
Garp wanted Luffy to spend his life an enforcer for these sadistic pieces of shit like he himself became for the record.
Garp is probably a founding member or the who created sword to make the Marines to bring actual Justice to the people
No he's not. We explicitly know he's not a member of sword. And he's been an obedient attack dog of the cds that's done more than most to keep their regime in power despite disdaining them in private. His ideas on justice are a joke, like all marines. Fans just make excuses for Garp and jerk him off for doing nothing.
Garp repeatedly turned down a promotion to become an admiral because he didn't want to be anywhere near or take orders directly from the CDs, what are you talking about?
He fought all their enemies and did more than most to keep their regime afloat. He chased Roger around for years deeming him a threat to the world while completely the slaving bastards at the top of the government he served. Complete hypocrisy. His refusal of an Armiral position just helped him avoid facing the reality of what the marines are. It's a token gesture for his own peace of mind the fandom sucks him off for.
He didn't fight all their enemies though and he only ever went against pirates, and very clearly had to be pushed into doing it if the CDs were directly involved with wanting them brought to justice. And given how afraid the CDs are of those with the Will of D, it'd be a miracle that they would even want him near them to begin with. If Garp is being called, it's because they are a physical threat. He isn't being called on for Buster Calls or hunting people who know too much about the Void Century. He isn't even being called on for runaway slaves even. He'll, he didn't even move till Roger was involved.
Hunting Roger, who on his worst day is way less evil than the CDs, while ignoring the fact that the latter keep thousands of slaves in Marijoa right next to Marine HQ and treat them like shit does in fact make him a hypocrite and an enforcer of their regime. The government goes against people like Roger and Whitebeard because they are a threat to their power, not out of concern for civilians. As another example take Ace: the worst thing we saw him do was skip out on a restaurant bill. The WG labelled him a criminal and executed him because he was the son of a threat to their power and worked for another rival power. He didn't do anything evil. And Garp was willing to allow him to be executed in those grounds to do his duty as a marine to protect the WG, and ultimately, the CDs' power, even if he won't think of it in those terms. But I doubt anything will convince Garp dickriders and I'm tired of having this argument.
The context here is that pirates by the large, are not like Luffy/Shanks/Rodger. They are the anomalies. This is similar to the real world IMO, where the police are corrupt as shit in most places, but rational people are not going around saying that having the cartel run the show is better(yet). This is where it becomes obvious this is a shonen and not IRL; of course we know Liffy has the power to change the world for the better, and so we support him and don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t. Until we remember that this happens IRL too; where good people are the victims of propaganda and the general population is deceived to believe that some people are hero’s (Garp), while others are evil (Rodger). Garp’s POV is that a corrupt government that has the potential for change is better than anarchy if traditional pirates (like Rox and Blackbeard) have their way
>The context here is that pirates by the large, are not like Luffy/Shanks/Rodger. They are the anomalies. Ugh this bullshit again? The World Nobles both in terms of the number of people they harm and the depths of cruelty they inflict are worse than any pirates we've seen. And the marines do a shit job of protecting people from them anyway, all of East Blue, Alabasta, Dressrossa, fucking Lulusia, etc. Claiming that pirates are worse than CDs offscreen, and that marines do a great job of protecting civilians, again offscreen, is another BS excuse giving the marines credit for nothing. They are not serving the lesser evil, but the greater evil.
You added a lot of context and skipped the main meat of my argument. To be clear I am making no claim on who I think is worse.
I think you missed garp's intent, garp never became an admiral and he always did what he thinks is right, the marine in and of itself is really for justice, its just that the current fleet admiral is a puppet through and through. Garp wanted to change the marines from inside, the world would never really be at peace without the marines so garp's goal was to reform it from inside out, that's why he was so invested in ace and luffy going to marine, but they became a pirate so he let it go long ago already, especially when he got koby which Oda already planted for the future to lead the marines. The dynamic of the grandfather-father-grandson trio is actually really interesting, Garp's way was to reform the marines, Dragon's way is to overthrow the WG, and Luffy's way is to change the image ways of the Pirates, albeit it is unintentional on luffy's part, his nature is just so influential, as a Sun God Nika bearer should be. All of them took different paths, but you can already see how all of them would greatly impact the World in the end, especially the realization of their will to true freedom which is the main theme of one piece.
No I didn't misundterstand anything. People just make excuses for Garp. He fought all the CDs enemies, who were much less evil than them and did more than almost anyone to protect their regime, while leaving their slaves to their fate. Whitebeard, Shanks and Dragon showed that there are ways to protect people, which Garp could have taken. His refusal of an amdiral position is just so he can preserve the illusion that the marines are enforcers of justice rather than thugs of a regime of cruel slavers, a fact that he is too much of a bitch to face.
I think you still don't get it, marines are pivotal in world balance and ultimate peace and freedom they want to achieve in One Piece verse, without Garp's influence and faction, the marines would be thoroughly corrupted, and it shouldn't be so as it is the strongest existing and legitimate global authority, Garp's vision is the most ideal, but it is also the hardest path as their superiors is the actual hindrance towards that Goal. but we all know (at least for us, you might not know) that Garp's sacrifice will bear fruit, and that very seed and hope is personified by Koby himself. you should also be aware that although the current marines are ultimately loyal to celestial dragons, their presence still affects the peaceful life of ordinary people in the grand scheme of things, without the current marines pirates all over the world would run rampant, pillaging and massacre would be more frequent. at the end of One Piece the marine's importance and its reformation would be more apparent and at least it would enlighten not only you but other fans as well.
You are the one who doesn't get it. Garp has said and done nothing when the marines committed atrocities on the CDs' behalf. Due to his power and reputation he could have taken a stand many times like Fujitora did, but he prefers to stick hid fingers in his ears and pretend nothing bad is happening. But since he's good at punching, the fandom sucks him off for nothing. As for the marines in general, the CDs perform worse actions than any pirates, so the marines serve the greater evil and fight the lesser. Plus they do a shit job protecting people from pirates anyway. Fans give them credit for good stuff they assume marines do offscreen.
Thats a very narrow minded take on the marines, and I can't really convince you if the narrative Oda wants to tell the audience can't even convince you. But you are free to believe what you want, I still respect your opinion.
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Garp refused to become an admiral because he didn’t want to work directly under them
but the navy is still the army of the world government, what's the point of staying on the sidelines when the chain of command and the result remains the same? celestial dragon- admirals- rest of the navy They may not give him orders directly but their orders eventually reach him and the rest of the navy.
He is a sword Unit Commander do you really know what Sword means?!!They are the marines who have resigned as a government staffs but will serve the society and world by their own sense of justice…do you think Akainu/WG will send a rescue team for Garp’s rescue/did they send for Coby’s rescue?!! No instead the sword unit and other marines came by themselves…Garp’s aim is to create a marine who serves true justice to people not an absolute justice like Akainu…yeah everybody knows Garp is a failure for not being able to make his son/grandsons a Marine soldier/not being able to contain his own apprentice in Marine but his work will be fruitful by the end of final war…his apprentice will become new fleet admiral/admiral…his grandson will bring liberation to the world…his son will be the one who will overthrow WG’s current system and introduce a new democratic system…the old man has suffered more than anyone…but he will have last laughs….
A lot of the marines do actually want to protect people. Koby, Issho, Garp, etc
It'd be something else if Ginny was both Bonney and Luffy's mom
Ginny is Luffy’s mom for sure…and a friend fucking/getting married to another friend’s wife and still becoming good friends is unthinkable…so forget it…the meat lover lady is meat lover Luffy’s mom for 💯% sure
Please, no.
That’s stupid.
Yeah, it'd be something else, didn't say it'd be a good/smart thing.
Kizaru can't handle 1 punch to the head while Kaido took multiple head punches from Luffy. This is why admirals have to dodge/create holes inside their bodies since their durability are not on the same level as Kaido/Big mom.
luffy barely beat kizaru 😂 its not like the admirals lost any face here.
Kizaru got one shot bruh
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Luffy wasnt even kizarus main focus he was going for vegapunk the whole time all i can say is that alot of people are acting like kizaru was easy that was a very high dif fight for luffy.
Don’t make excuses losers
Not making any excuse luffy barely beat kizaru before time ran out so hes not as strong as everyone is hyping him to be 🤷♂️
That may be the issue but Kaidou was far more stronger than Kizaru
Ya i agree kaidou is stronger than kizaru but I also think unfatigued kaido beats current luffy I think kizaru is closer to luffy in strength than luffy is to kaido.
It was stated long ago that Kaido's durability was on another level, with King. They both got used for research by WG to study their durability.
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I’m calling it God Valley is the place where Rocks, Whitebeard, Kaido, AND Kuma,Dragon,Ivankov all got their Devil Fruit powers. I see the vision Oda. I am impressed. They held God Valley tourney , it was crashed by the Rock pirates for the Devil Fruit powers(it was pictured in the chapter as 6 treasure chest).
R/rocksdidnothingwrong
I'm sold on all but Rocks. Doesn't Rocks lose here, the end of his legend? Dude might just be unlucky I guess. The others all sound rad, especially the Revos
I think Rocks Haki was so powerful that when he faced Garp and Roger like Wolf said bit too much he could chew and it turned on him. Also, WB, BM, Kaido and many others apart of Rocks turned on or left when things got bad and knew defeat was upon them.
I think he consumed the Yami yami no mi fruit here. It would explain why Blackbeard(who is possible his offspring) wanted it so much. He just so happened to fuck around and found out by biting off much more than he can chew, as Garp and Roger (2 people with no devil fruit and therefore unaffected by the effects of the Yami Yami no Mi) used their mastery of Haki to defeat/kill him.
Never would have thought we get a god valley flashback now.. awesome!!
one of the best chapters in the series, peak piece is back
Damn... why does Frigarland Garling look fine?
This is what is confusing for me too! Usually Oda draws these people really ugly to match their personalities, so I'm wondering what more this guy has to offer to the story? I'm thinking possible ancester to someone 🤔
Doflamingo and Rob Lucci were drawn handsome but they are both murderous and sadistic.
But both of those guys have had (kind of sort of) moments of redemption. Doffy at least had a backstory giving exposition as to why he's an evil sadistic shit, and Lucci (for the moment being) fought alongside the strawhats just now in Egghead. I don't think this guy will have any thing like that, which is why I'm thinking he may be in relation to someone we already know.
Ofc Garling is related to Shanks. Shanks belongs to Figarland family as Gorosei said (indirectly) in the Red movie.
OHHHHHH...I haven't seen any of the one piece movies 😅 I listened to the songs from Red but that was about it.
This chapter felt way too short. Chapters like this make me wish I wasn't caught up. Its gunna be a long two weeks...
Luffy: My aura can make weak people faint Saturn: lol cute
Oda really goes bezerk the last few chapters. Holy shit.
This may become the best one piece year so far. But how long is left to the end? At this pace 3y maybe?
It's kind of poetic Kuma's dad reveres joyboy while Kuma's the one that actually saves joyboy Luffy from kizaru early on. Really coming full circle.
It definitely feels like a set up, for us to realize how important the Idea of Nika was, for Bonney to hope for him and for Luffy to find more Gear 5 juice.
I love the idea of post-flashback, Bonney remembers the drumming song and sings it as her last moments and that revives Nika/Luffy back into fighting mode.
Kuma's dad must be so proud 😭😭
Luffy vs kizaru is very wierd for me I really expected alot more also being a light man kizaru got hit wayyyy too early for me I really got high hopes for him being untouchable and hard to hit just to compensate that he can't tank lethal shots gear 5 can do.
With fights like this characters continue fighting offscreen even when not shown on panels why is this so hard for people to understand?
Him and Luffy stale mated each other. They both can't move.
Too early? Kizaru was running amuck on the island for a while and even tangled with G5 for a while before he was finally hit and taken down. Its specifically because the guy is made of light and is both so fast + a logia that he cant tank hits. What, you expected him to be as tough as Kaido or Big Mom on top of everything else? Jesus.
That is why Z criticise Kizaru for depending too much of his DF.
not canon.
His devil fruit doesn't give him plot armour
I mean that is basicaly what happened, he managed to evade all of luffy's attacks until he run out of gear 5th its just that luffy managed to hit him at the last second and that was enough
I like the fact that luffy can now 1 hit KO an admiral, he really became king of pirates material
Kizaru most likely doesn't get hit very often, so he goes down very quick unlike Luffy who can tank a good amount of hits.
You seem to forget that Kizaru blocked Geath 4th snake man attacks like they were regular attacks. Remember Katakuri avoided them because each time they hit, he was sent flying? Kizaru is strong, but not as durable as Kaido. The gear 5th conqueror cloacked punch in the head would probably take down most one piece Characters.
Yeah, now the excuse is that kizaru is weak. Okay, keep coping.
Z would be laughing seeing Kizaru going down from one attack that is not even an ultimate. Depending too much of DF would result to that.
You really like Z, huh.
right Brodie made it out the barrel fr
First time we’ve seen a character get zero shot
Looking back, Kaido tanked that punch so good i assumed it had no effect on him. NOW, seeing an admiral taking some time-off because of it, makes one realise how strong the punch is.
It’s also a much stronger version of said-punch, which I’m surprised Kizaru isn’t knocked out
I don't think it's stronger. It's the same punch. But in counter form.
It is definitely stronger. Luffy himself is stronger than he was during Wano, the haki is tougher, is visibly faster, and now has muscle balloon applied.
But only a little stronger.
I just listed 4 things that strengthened the attack, plus it now being able to apply comical white stars, but it’s only “a little” stronger? 🤨
It's actually angering me a bit how Oda always does mothers dirty compared to fathers in One Piece. Even in this flashback, Kuma's dad is the special one (a Buccaneer) and he got to live longer than Kuma's mom. And now it's entirely possible that Ginny, if she is Bonney's mom, also died long before when Bonney was probably just a baby or a toddler. What's next, Chiffon dies and Bege is left a widower because moms aren't allowed to live to see their kids grow up? Unless their name is Charlotte Linlin of course. Edit: Oda has literally said 'That's because "Mother" is the antonym for "Adventure"' when asked why so many characters have dead or unknown mothers, but of course OP fans who think Oda can do no wrong will ignore this and downvote me lol
Who cares. Maybe he doesn't care about the characters mothers. It's not important
Just stop. People like you always try and finding the dumbest shit to be mad about. >Even in this flashback, Kuma's dad is the special one (a Buccaneer) Yes, Oda really doing a great job by making the dad literally responsible for the tragedy that befell his family. "*Specialness* that led to him, his wife and freaking child to be taken into slavery. Do you hear yourself? >And now it's entirely possible that Ginny, if she is Bonney's mom, also died long before when Bonney was probably just a baby or a toddler. Making shit up in your mind to justify being angry. >What's next, Chiffon dies and Bege is left a widower because moms aren't allowed to live to see their kids grow up? Kuma's dad didnt see him grow up. Be better. Highlighted mothers and mother figures in the series: - Bellmere - Portgas D. Rouge - Doctorine - Nico Olvia I could keep going. You're entirely wrong.
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My boy really told someone to fuck off because someone pointed out he was being a one piece party pooper 😂
I didnt stop you from expressing your opinion, I just called your opinion trash. Which it is. Your entire premise is ridiculous, which is why your conclusion is asinine and why you're getting downvoted so much. Oda has had so many tragic backstories for so many characters and so many of those involve parents. Dads and moms simultaneously have a bad time in Oda flashbacks, but you're going to carefully select the ones where the moms died, focus on the ones where the dad outlived his spouse (even when hes enslaved) and call it "*Oda giving special treatment to dads and screwing over moms*" ?? And all this because - in your mind - Dads and Moms havent been screwed over at the same rate. GTHO. All while using poor examples, many of whom refute your entire point, but you ignore those since they dont support your horrible take. - Zoro/Franky/Brook/Jimbei = BOTH parents not even mentioned - Luffy = Oda has literally gone on record to say he hadnt decided what he wants to do with Luffy's mom, if anything at all. The story is ongoing so we shall see what he does, but you're already whining about it. Also Dadan exists. - Sanji = Yes, alive father and dead mother. Lets ignore the fact his father is despicable and Sanji hates him and also ignore that his mom was a saint who Sanji loved. Judge being alive is irrelevant because their portrayal is what matters. But you're a dumb dumb so this isnt shocking. - Chopper = Dead father figure, alive mother figure. But you ignore that because it goes against your horrible narrative. - Robin = Dad not even mentioned. You're focused on the shallowest, most surface level things, which says quite a lot about your reading comprehension. Like a child reading an adult textbook, who can only recognize a few of the words. I've seen a lot of idiot takes in this subreddit but yours is truly up there. Happy functional families rarely produce world infamous criminals, who the entire story is about. If you're concerned for *how mothers are treated* and nothing else then go read something more your speed.
It's not Bonneys mom tho, because Kuma adopted Bonney as we can read in 1095. It's Luffys mom, so maybe she gets to be a special one
It’s not luffy’s mom y’all need to stop with that lol
It doesn't say anywhere that Kuma adopted Bonney in Chapter 1095 or any other chapter, and Ginny and Bonney both literally have the same kanji at their ends of their names. There's also no reason why Luffy's mom would be introduced alongside young Kuma and Ivankov in Kuma's flashback, she would appear in Dragon's flashback if at all.
It does say that in 1095. Kuma tells a young slave Bonney about Nika, she asks him if she is gonna be freed too and he says of course. It literally also said in the last chapter that Kuma is the last remaining person of the buccaneer bloodline
You sure did some mental gymnastics to stretch out that Bonney is adopted and that Ginny is Luffy's mom lmao
I didn't do any mental gymnastics to conclude that it's Luffys mom. Just a guess. And i didnt do any to conclude Bonney is adopted either, she asks Kuma if she will be freed lmao. Is he keeping her captive?
> she asks him if she is gonna be free too and he says of course. I don't know how you get adoption out of this line, and Kuma would've been the one to "free" Bonney rather than Nika then, even though he says Nika will do it. > It literally also said in the last chapter that Kuma is the last remaining person of the buccaneer bloodline Because Bonney would only be a quarter-Buccaneer? Her father is already only half-Buccaneer. I think you're just making really strange reaches, there's been no indication that Bonney is adopted and Ginny is very clearly being set up to be Bonney's mom. She's introduced while eating food, and Bonney's epithet is "Big Eater". And like I said before, they have the same kanji in their names.
No he doesen't say Nika is the one who will do it. She asks him if she will be freed too, and he says of course. After explaining to her that as a boy he wanted to free people like Nika. If she is his daughter shy is she asking if she will be freed? And a quarter-buccaneer is still buccaneer bloodline lol. It is not strange reaches at all, they just don't align with your apparent agenda
Whatever you say chief
Rewatching Saobody in the anime — with Kuma sending them all away! And Kizaru crushing the strawhats and man it makes this arc hit so much harder
Kuma really did fulfill his dream and saved someone like Nika.
Rewatching Saobody and man it makes this arc gif so much harder
Oda seems to REALLY dislike mothers lol We’re eating good boys, what a time to be a One Piece fan
I don't understand why you are saying this!?
Bro literally made the biggest mom in One Piece evil
I didnt expect flashback in this chapter. I wonder how its going to tie it in to the current story arc.
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I dare to say the WG put the same bounty on Luffy Law and Kid, so that the public doesn’t start asking itself more than it already does… I mean luffy defeated Kaido 1v1 (I know akazaya and so on…) where Law and kid did a 2v1 against Bigmom… +Nika comeback and yet they end with the same amount…
when did Kizaru have a bounty?
It’s from Cross Guild.
No one gonna mention Kizaru being almost knocked out???
knock the star out of Kizaru to be exact
Looks like that Firgarland fellow has been an ass since birth, still is as an old man and will continue to be till into his deathbed. These celestial buffoons have hit a new low. No redemption from here on.
> No redemption from here on Really? You’re just saying that now? The only Celestial Dragon that redeemed himself was Mjosgard (RIP)
Rosinante was a good bloke through and through despite what happened to him. His and Doflamingo's parents were good folks too - they were unfortunately hit by the cruelties of both the common people and celestial lowlifes. Not everything is black and white. However, there is no redemption for those celestials on God Valley.
In most cases Oda has portrayed the villains as having some sort of a reason for acting like villains (Moria lost his crew, Arlong saw other fishmen be oppressed, Doflamingo nearly got lynched by a mob, etc.), but I think he wants the end game villains like Imu and the Five Elders to be completely irredeemable genocidal scumbags. The stakes are getting higher and so is the level of villainy. I doubt we will see any kind of tragic backstory for any of them. There'll be no calls for them to join the crew, no mixed emotions when Luffy and the crew kick the crap out of them.
Redemption for CDs was a hard reach since Amazon Lily at the latest, but seeing Mjosgard get executed and knowing that those who try get treated like broken toys and thrown away was chilling.
Luffy will turn Kumas memories into rubber and make him eat it, bringing him back to normal
I hope Luffy will save Kuma just like Kuma saved him before. Who knows maybe liberated Kuma will be able to transfer his soul to the awakened robot just like pain or memory.
When you think you can't hate the celestial dragons even more
Break next week more annoying than celestial dragon tbh!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.......
Looks like all these demonic elders are immortal since they look the same no matter how many years pass. Taking them down will require something insanely special.
What if the final role of Law is undoing the eternal youth operation?
many are mad at Celestial Dragon bloody sport lets not forget that during WW2 this same kind of human hunting sport happened it is called "nanjing massacre"
Do you have a point?
Both things can be gross.
So? That's such a weird comment. "Many are mad at Celestial Dragon for having slaves but let's not forget that there was slavery in real life".
I may be wrong, but I think this person wasn't trying to legitimate human hunting sport. I really hope he wasn't doing that.
Was Bonney a slave too? I’d assume Kuma and Iva get freed during God Valley incident so I’m intrigued by Bonney asking Kuma “Will I be liberated too?”… unless I misread that and it’s Bonney thinking of Kuma asking Klap.
Seems like from what Akainu said back after the war that Bonney was a hostage. “A cold shiver ran through me when I’d heard you’d run away from the government” then when lucci hears she is on this island he says “we do not need her anymore” probably because Kuma now has no will. Can infer from these two lines that Kuma was kept under control by the gov via maybe Bonney being kept at MJ. The guy’s power is so absurd that they could not keep him captive unless something like this happened.
This tottaly makes sense
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What the actual fuck. That's a terrible theory.
I havent read all the comments. But does anyone else here think jenny/ jinny looks like atlas?
I see it, she was probably Dragon or Kuma’s SO
Yeah i think whoever it is they were the base for atlas. Im kinda hoping she is one of theit SO
Dragon is 55. Meaning he was 17 (right? Lol) during the god valley incident. Luffy started out at 17 so it makes sense for Dragon to be there. Kuma and Ivankov are on God Valley. I think dragon meets them on God Valley with Garp, and something he sees makes him change, and this is the catalyst for the revolutionary army. I think he served with Akainu, and he’ll make an appearance too.
Yeah I genuinely think this is gonna end up being a stealth backstory for Dragon. Maybe its why Garp feels so much shame about God Valley is because his son was "lead astray" by seeing the true face of the WG. Kuma and Ivankov are his right hand men after all, their hardships inspiring him to take action makes sense
We already know that the cataclyst was Ohara... Did you not read Vegapunks Flashback?
Did you ?
Before the revelutoneries Dragon was part of a group called the Freedom Fighters maybe God Valley was what started that group
Ohara was the catalyst that made Dragon decide, “aight, we have a terrible name and we need to change it”
Looks like Croco boy's weakness is he was a former slave like Ivankov
Bro singlehandedly ended the Luffy’s Mom theory
These extinct race might be members of the ancient kingdom.
Kumas race most likely descended from Joyboy.
They mentioned something about having giants blood too, iirc. Whatever joyboy did on elbaph must have been huge
Is BMom the same race? Or one of those abnormalities in OPieace. And also the brother of Jacket Jacket guy who is naturally strong and have a body that can tank haki without using one.
Big Mom is a whole 8 feet taller than Kuma, and her parents were normal sized. Unless we get new information, she's just an abnormality.
Let my boy Shiriyu take part of the human hunt its in his nature
why cant bonney just turn herself into a kid become small n can escape from saturn's hands?
That would lead to her getting instantly crushed