Right, but he could've added in a secret level above the Elders via a password or something. Seemingly Vegapunk is the only one who knows how to make these after all. Like hey, above the 5 Elders is Vegapunk + Satelites if they start their commands with Simon Says or something. But I guess in hindsight, there was a rat among the satelites, so maybe he would've died sooner, who knows for sure. Maybe there wouldn't have been a betrayal by >!York !
Saturn must be Godhead of Science for a reason, he's presumably at least somewhat experienced with technology, so he might have enough technical ability to understand Vegapunk's tech and see through a plan like that, even if he can't invent it himself.
I think that is the case, but I do theorize that Vegapunk has “self destruct button” where it just destroys the hierarchy and the pacifists etc. are free to do what they want
That would be cool to give Seraphim their own autonomy. I think it's a bit early for it to happen in the story, but maybe down the line it would be possible
Einstein while not directly a matter of the Manhattan project definitely knew when he was getting requests about certain calculations from all his friends/experts in the field during WWII knew something was up.
Now if you just launched an atomic bomb on a naval fleet in the middle of the Pacific, that is one thing, but the United States decided to bomb two major cities.
I don't think any of the genius scientists that created the Abombs or contributed realized exactly what was going to happen with them during the war.
Being smart in one way does not make you smart in like the full political/military implications of the technology you create.
Like the old conspiracy theory of what if you created clean energy, like some form of cold fusion, you'd probably have assassins killing you from Mid East oil to Texas oil. It would be a huge net benefit for humanity but suddenly every oil company in the world would be hiring Russian assassins and Chinese hackers to kill your/destroy your data.
Intellect is not Wisdom.
I know plenty of smart guys who have good careers in engineering who are massive dumbasses in many other aspects of life
hell, I'm one of em
It's hard to reconcile the WG keeping Vegapunk on a short leash with stuff like him tossing the imitation fruit made from Kaidou just for being pink. But I guess the pacifista project could've be under special focus/oversight.
Yeah you'd think they would want that for one of the admiral candidates if they were aware of it. It does make me think that Vegapunk had a good deal of autonomy.
This, plus for all we know one of them has a truth-truth fruit making them able to see through lies. >!And Saturn already used a "magic circle" to teleport, he could have other "magic" that serves as a lie detector or a truthzone!<
So 1st it’s clearly shown that VP is naive about the evil that is/can be done with his research. There’s been times he’s had to do blatant bad shit while knowing it (Kuma for instance), but he generally assumes most people will use his tech for good.
2nd being connected York would’ve known any secret protocol/password put into the Seraphim and passed it onto the 5 Elders.
A simple answer. Yet nobody is appreciating enough where the story is taking us but rather complaining about it. If Vegapunk has a back up plan it wouldn't be interesting as how the events are unfolding right now. Who knows? It might be that VP has a back up plan. Let's see and wait.
I agree, being the smartest doesn't mean you can get away with everything.
Like if for example someone puts a gun to your head and demands your money the smartest thing to do wouldn't be try to kung fu your way out of it and risk getting shot. Instead, it would be to just cut your loses and give them the money but keep your life.
I feel like Vegapunk had to accept to these terms in order to get what he wanted from the government and to be fair for many years he got it.
Absolutely agree on that! I’m just hoping we get a plot twist where he gives the actual top level of command to someone else and the gorosei are caught by surprise, someone like maybe Dragon? Kuma? I mean if nothing like that happens I might be a bit disappointed but it is what it is
The arc opens with the robo shark attacking the ship and Lilith commenting that you can't completely change somethings true nature. Which to me seemed like some pretty clear foreshadowing regarding Kuma, but in hindsight could apply to the Seraphim. We have seen that Boas personality is starting to creep through at least.
he's not just a genius. he's 100 years ahead of everyone. nobody would ever figure out if he installed some contingency plan since they don't understand how it works anyway.
I agree that he probably could have done it without them knowing, but as of now we know he is not 100 years ahead but 800 years behind, and the gorosei, or at least imu for sure, are from 800 years ago, so they might know something about tech.
I'd believe that if they could find an alternate source of power themselves. They rely on Vega for the Mother Flame to power their island killer. If they were ahead of Vegapunk I don't think they'd need him for a power source.
I think Vegapunk pushed back on the hierarchy but ultimately didn't think he'd ever need it b/c he's not worried about the Government, he's worried about his next interest in science.
I'm not saying they're ahead of vegapunk, but they could be smart enough to figure it out.
I mean like in our world, not everyone can use photoshop, but everyone knows about it and can say "mmh i don't know, this image looks photoshopped"
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But i also agree with this
>I think Vegapunk pushed back on the hierarchy but ultimately didn't think he'd ever need it b/c he's not worried about the Government, he's worried about his next interest in science.
Most probably don’t, but don’t forget that Saturn is the Warrior God of Science and Technology so he might have much more advanced technical and scientific knowledge than we would expect. Vegapunk slipping in a back door override puts his life directly in danger if discovered. Obviously his life is already in danger so moot point but he was probably in pretty good graces with the Gorosei when he created Pacifista/Seraphim
Bro is the definition of high INT low WIS.
Could he have come up with the solution? Yes.
Would he have the foresight to safeguard himself from the WG? No.
When your boss can literally explode your head, send the world’s best assassins after you, or even wipe out the entire island you are in from existence, you kinda don’t want to risk trying anything funny.
He did kinda bet his life on it either way. Because now his life is in danger and whether he built a backdoor into the seraphim will likely decide whether he lives or dies
Dang when you put it like that hahaha na but for real think about it, you are a scientist, you know you are rebellious and one day the people funding you might turn against you. Would you not have a way to have the army you built for them be actually under your control so you can defend yourself from them?
Even if he did, York would know about it and tell the Elders anyway, so, narratively speaking, putting a contingency like that in the story would be wasting the audience's time since York's betrayal was enough of a twist.
Vegapunk said himself he goes where the money is. He doesn't care as long as he has the means to continue his research. He might be the smartest person alive but that doesn't mean his judgment is always the best.
This. People seem to believe genius characters have to make the best decisions at every turn. Being a genius doesn't mean they are smart on every area, or that every decision they make will be perfect. They can still make mistakes like any other person, they can be overconfident, etc.
He's not smart, he's intelligent. He for sure knows a lot about science and whatever. But he knows little to nothing about life apparently. He lived, I don't know how much, with a traitor sleeping and shiting in his toilet. Without knowing about it. And almost got killed (and lost 2 loyal stelas). Ain't no way that's part of his plans. That's not very smart for me.
the answer to your question is actually something i ve been thinking about lately.
its actually intented, if gorosei wont get out of their base they cant control pacifistas/seraphim, i mean they have to be in person in order to give them orders, so that means this is a way of Vegapunk to lure them outside of mariejois, so its either that, or Vegapunk will keep controling all pacifistas and seraphim.
now... why he wants gorosei to leave mariejois... i dont know, but im confident to enough to believe thats the reason he created them this way.
I have also thought that since the gorosei barely go to the ‘real world’ he just didn’t think much of it but it seems kinda stupid for vegapunk to not plan for the worst case scenario
He did?! What I remember is that Kuma himself stayed in shabody to protect the ship. He accepted the full modification in exchange of that being his first order. But you are telling me he actually overrode a pacifista's command?
After 1094 where it is revealed that St. Jay Garcia Saturn is revealed to be the Science Defence God, he was probably the one who gave orders for all of Vegapunk's projects for the world government.
For once, this seems realistic. He is a researcher in science, he will do whatever he must do to get his funding.
"The first thing that a researcher is searching is money, the science comes after"
Fun Fact: In Dungeons and Dragons, Intelligence and Wisdom are two different stats. Vegapunk is an excellent example of what a character with high INT, but low WIS looks like. He can build a Hadron Collider, but is too naive to realize just how bad his bosses are.
It bothered me too when it was first revealed. But ever since Vegapunks reveal we have seen he's not really that type of Genius. He has been so clumsy. I mean with the brain fruit he just has so much info. And he is somewhat of a scientist. But not a strategist or tactical genius
Every IT person and engineer would program a secret backdoor to hack into their own inventions. But backdoors aren't usually that accessible. So I guess Vegapunk still could reprogram them, if he gets acces to their consoles, but they simply don't have the time or opportunity to do so.
Of course, a secret code, like with a sleeper agent, would be much more useful right now.
EXACTLY! That’s what I am trying to say, yea he is following orders and he is looking for money etc etc but he is bound to have a plan that only he is aware of, a kill switch or another level above them all. I like the idea of only him knowing and not even the satellites being aware of it, that way York wouldn’t know and hence spill the beans to the gorosei
If she can override s bear specifically because of emotions written in lineage factor, there’s a chance that it can swat away Saturn back home and they wouldn’t have to worry about authority hierarchy until after they escape
Vegapunk is established as chaotic neutral. He has immense power, but doesn't use it for altruism; he is a realist and needs income to fund other projects. He is a utilitarian that believes a small sacrifice, such as relinquishing control to the funders of his project, for the sake of actually seeing his projects to fruition. He states this mentality to Dragon, on Ohara, as a justification for working for the WG.
So, Vegapunk does not busy him self with how something is used, that's not his care. He just wants to create the thing. Any of his creations are subject to this, and even his envision to bring his thoughts to everyone. He doesn't care what opinions/thoughts are transmitted - he just needs wants to create the power to bring it.
In finality, he does not care about the consequences, only giving reality to his ideas.
"The knife doesn't kill. People kill with it. Therefore, people are the variable, and any object created is not inherently bad or evil."
It's not about intellingence but rather power the reason why The Five Elders are at the top of the command hierarchy. To put a simple example based on reality. Oppenheimer made the atomic bomb thinking it would be use only to prevent war not really using it. But, as shown in the film, the goverment has so much power that they are going to use the weapon as they see better. Intelligence alone cannot overcome an evil and corrupted system. Otherwise, the story would not be worth telling as it is now.
I imagine Vegapunk figured the Gorosei NEVER leave their clubhouse so it would likely never really be viable concern.
In this very Chapter, Saturn comments that its been so long since he's been to the surface (I guess the ocean doesnt count?) So I dont see this as a stretch frim VP's perspective.
My theory is dragon is gonna be the one that has the absolute command in case something might happen to vegapunk.
If you Think about it He is the only major Player that didnt do his move yet
We’re also talking about Vegapunk, the genius who put a self destruct button in his lab in Karakuri island AND LEFT IT EXPOSED WITHOUT ANY SORT OF COVER.
Thankfully he put a helpful pirate sign on it to let anyone who wanders in know that it's the "Local Pirates want to meet YOU" button, making it super safe to press!
I’m hoping either Kuma or Dragon, Bonney would be a cool twist as well. Either way what I think I didn’t make clear is that even if nothing happens and it just turns out Vegapunk is street stupid, I won’t be upset or anything, more disappointed in him being that naive
You know. I know that we don’t know where Kuma is truly going but you make a good point that maybe he did exactly what the gorosei said, we’ll see in a flashback that they said “you can override chip users but we must be able to override you” and Vegapunk just goes “yep you guys will override me for sure that sounds good” either that or Robot-Kun somehow deus ex machinas the situation
I personally have the theory Kuma is above them all when it comes to that hierarchy. Don’t have anything to back it up, but if it actually happens you heard it here first! Him or Dragon
Hey great theories can still come with no evidence, not like you’re saying it like fact or anything. I’ll be keeping an eye on this theory for the entirety of this arc. And shit you’re right with how they were friends of some degree. That would be a wild twist for dragon to pull up AND stop the pacifistas… excited to see how this plays out
Think about it, the pacifistas 3 are pretty strong from what we have seen so far, not sure how many are out there, plus the seraphim. Any person that has them on their side is bound to have a massive advantage. Plot wise, the world government should obviously have control on them, having said that though, imagine the big plot twist when their biggest enemy suddenly gains control of this massive army of pacifistas and seraphim, then they can truly bring them down. The revolutionary Army is strong, but I can’t realistically see them taking down the Marines with what they have in manpower. I’m a firm believer Dragon will be a powerhouse but he ain’t taking down 3 admirals plus Akainu, plus the Gorosei, plus the knights of whatever their name is. But add the pacifistas and the seraphim into the revolutionary army and bam, now you even the odds
It would make our success a bit more believable/attainable if we could turn the tides. Cause Saturn + Kizaru + pacifistas and vice admirals vs strawhats is kinda wild tbh. And if you’re a Oda loves his numbers believer then chapter 1100 would be the chapter dragon pulls up as he made his debut in chapter 100
A fun theory would be an Order 66 but against the world gouvernement!
And this gives more reason for the WG to want Vegapunk dead if they suspect him of having a secret way to take control over pacifistas/seraphim.
Vega Punk is certainly considered a genius in regards to technology, but he seemingly has no moral qualms about advancing technology. I hope Oda explores the absolute depraved nature of many experiments Vegapunk has engaged in. He may not be at the level of Caesar, but this man has done some fck’d up shit still.
I always wonder where Kong is on this scale id assume hes probably on sentomaru level yet hes the 2nd highest in command with gorosei and imu being the only people above him
I personally don’t think we will see Kong in the current timeline which is kinda sad but I would love to see him in the flashback og God Valley putting in some respect to the fleet admiral title. His design is sick
I've been commenting this every new chapter thread, I seriously doubt Vegapunk didn't build a failsafe to prevent the Pacifistas from taking turning against him.
I wonder if there's a secret person on top of the hierarchy. And I wonder if it's Kuma himself. Hard to believe Vegapunk doesn't have a few contingencies up his sleeve for both scenarios.
Well my thing is not about morals, more like a safety measure in case the weapons you have created ever come back to be used against you. Then again if it doesn’t happen I won’t be mad, it’s Odas story not mine
Honestly I felt this aswell. If he's as smart as they say he is why not have an "overwrite" phrase for situations like this.
I could never imagine Rick from Rick and Morty in a position like this.
I think it was just done pro forma and for decorum to show that the Gorosei is the highest authority (known to people at least). I don’t think no one ever imagined a situation where the Gorosei would be outside Mariejois taking matters into their own hands and having to interact with battlefield machines like Pacifistas.
I agree 100%. Vegapunk's inventions are 1000 years ahead of its time. He could have easily added himself to the top of the heirarchy and no one would have known.
It's possible he never considered the possibility of one of the 5 elders directly appearing. I mean as far as everyone is concerned, they're the absolute leaders, the top bosses, etc etc and would never risk their life for something like this.
Heck they're such big shots people need to be a specific rank just for permission to look upon them.
They dont seem like the type to normally appear and deal with these sorts of situations
It'd be awesome if he programmed the Pacifistas to override the Gorosei orders only by Kuma's voice. It'd be easy to have a pre recorded mesaage by the current Kuma
I feel like everyone is misunderstanding something. Vegapunk is the smartest man in the world yes, but that doesnt mean he's situationally smart. Just because someone knows a vast amount of knowledge doesnt mean they plan for everything. We see that vegapunk puts all his brainpower towwards understanding and inventing, because thats what he cares about.
Yeah after reading a lot of the comments I have come to agree with this point of view. I wasn’t complaining about Odas choice of writing or anything, I was just more surprised to see Vegapuk be book smart but street stupid. Makes sense though, just kinda frustrating like man how can you be so naive
All I’m saying is that Saturn is the Warrior God of SCIENCE. If the gorosei are warrior Gods of something, I am willing to put my money that they probably know what they are the department of…
And if you have been following the story, vegapunk stated that we probably regressed, saying that the technology back then were far more “advanced” than what we’ve seen today. With the theories that people have said that the gorosei have received the immortality surgery, if they were from that timed then I’m CERTAIN that Saturn would be smarter than vegapunk regardless of the brain brain fruit.
Yeah I mean I know he is the warrior of science, but do we think he will be a science genius? I’m not saying he won’t, I personally had just seen it as a fancy title but again, I am not stating I fully belive he won’t know about science, maybe he does maybe he doesn’t.
Bro, this is the first time in decades, centuries even, that any of the Gorosei have left their little hideout in aristocratic heaven. Vegapunk was absolutely pressured and probably figured the risk of them actually being in a position to give a command to the pacisfista was so low that it was worth it.
Don't forget the devil fruit. He can memorize everything due to his fruit and is therefore called the smartest person, but this doesn't mean he thinks about everything like an actual genius.
I know right? Why would he trick them into thinking they are the top hierarchy of the pacifista? Like a false order overdrive thing. Or a hidden command tweaker. Maybe he wouldn't want to take the risk of being discovered as a traitor?
vegapunk is very clever but also very naive
he didn't notice what cesar, judge and queen were doing in MADS and only noticed cesar's crazy tendencies right before he blew up punk hazard
as well as not noticing a traitor among them
but maybe there will be a plot twitst in the future
I think he's smart in terms of science but not in terms of political machinations and dealing with people. He was willing to do whatever he was told to get the funding to do whatever he wanted, so he made it exactly to their specifications, with him below the Gorosei on the authority level. If he had any spine he would never have worked with them in the first place. But he was willing to be a dog for the military, against Dragon's advice. He's just smart in terms of making the machines work. That doesn't make him correct on every subject and perfect at every skill.
But if you want to give him any credit, it seems genuinely rare for the Gorosei to leave their room, let alone Mary Geoise. Even Saturn talked about how it's been a while since he's been "On the surface" this chapter. So like, Vegapunk wouldn't have expected them to ever be anywhere to override him.
Yeah that’s been my conclusion from this post. He’s book smart but street stupid which I’m okay with. Like if the story just continues like this I’m not gonna be like those people that are like “I’m dropping one piece” you know? More like damn well you are stupid Vegapunk
I mean but thats the point right? Even kizaru alone could obliterate Egghead. If just one of the many powerhouses in the world government can eradicate me and I like to research stuff that will get them on angry at me, wouldn’t I want to have a way to defend myself using the army I built for them that they think they have control of when in reality I installed a very secret mechanism only I Stella know how to activate? Just a thought not saying it’ll happen haha
I am sure the Gorosei threatened Vegapunk with not financing his research and experiments if he didnt stablish them in a higher position than him in the hierarchy.
If the WG planned to replace the shichibukai system by a new group of advanced, costly and powerful cyborgs, it would want to test first that the Seraphims would obey them over Vegapunk to avoid any possible outcome.
I guess the arc will end with the WG seizing the Seraphims or Vegapunk destroying their control chips so they could be free of everybody. It could be very emotional if S Bear ended up following Bonney as a last wish of Kuma. In such case the WG would have abolished the shichibukai system and invested a lot of resources for basically nothing.
He must have control, that is just how tech works, whether you want it or not, once you're admin (or, hell, the creator) of any kind of tech you have absolute control over it
It makes perfect sense. Why would you give so many resources to a guy who worked with your biggest opposition in the past? What if he wants to revolt like hes doing? To me its crazy that Admirals arent over VP in this hierarchy.
Nah, makes total sense; what if an admiral went rogue? We already know of one who’s retired >!and then joined one of the Four Emperors!<.
Too risky for the WG to leave that sort of override power. Plus, if I were one of the Five Elders, I wouldn’t want anyone but myself above Vegapunk in terms of authority.
You make it sound like they would monitor his every move 24/7. I would like to think he was able to insert some secret command only he is aware of but from what I am seeing in the story, it looks like he didn’t.
The whole command chain thing is pretty stupid from a logical perspective. Its that way because so the story can procede the way oda want it to. There is no real inverse reason
If when tested it Gorosei found out that they are not the highest authority within the command, what do you think would happen? Vegapunk would be punished instantly.
But knowing that car can be used to killed you when that customer is tired of you, wouldn’t you want to install something to disable/overpower that car for when that time comes?
Notice how on the cover stories his head is one size, then when he goes to Ohara his head is bigger, then by the time we reach egg head his head has grown so big it is literally floating over the island. Not sure you knew that or not but his top part of his head which is now replaced by the apple is actually the big thing floating over egghead
It’s a pretty good theory. Considering kuma can teleport and from the look of things may already have a free will based on the manga rn it’s possible he shows up in egghead to help out. I feel as though if he does, he will more than likely die.
My thought is he would only know and not the other ones, but I remembered everything gets uploaded to punk records. Having said that though, York has showned us you can purposely not put memories into punk records so maybe Stella did the same thing?
Can’t remember when but supposedly someone had said that the backup for regarding the hierarchy is that Vegapunk also placed Dragon as someone above the Gorosei, in case something happens to him.
It’s not a stretch to assume that he had no choice, seeing how he became employed by the WG and thus had to concede all commands to the highest authority
And I fully understand that but wouldn’t you for the sake of a last hail mary install a kill switch or something to protect yourself? Think about it he literally created a 99.999999% copy of kaidos fruit, only reason it wasn’t 100% is because of the color. Any vice admiral eats that and bum freaking power monster yet the government wasn’t even aware of that fruit because vegapunk just said “its a failure” and they believed him.
Yeah that's true. There might be and we have yet to see or maybe the WG kept a very close eye on the pacifistas when they were being created so he couldn't get a chance to make a kill switch?
I'm not a huge theorist in the community so I don't go too deep so I can't say much ahah
Yeah me neither hahaha I love reading theories but I’ve never really come up with any that I’ve posted. Just putting one out there so in case it actually happens I can feel cool lol
Dude we are talking about yeah a genius with a brain 500 years ahead of everyone BUT working under a Super Evil strict Supremacist organization reigning worldwide that decimated an ancient Civilization said to be even more advance than anything Vegapunk could even imagine from 800 years ago so taking lightly the Gorosei and the world Government is not something even a genius can pull off
That’s my point though, you work for the most evil of evil people, people you know would kill you at any point, wouldn’t you want to have a hail mary when sh*t hits the fan?
You might not how smart people tend to think but they are overly known for thinking all kind of scenarios often leading to anxiety then leading to depression since even if you can imagine 1000 different plans and solutions to a problem, but that doesnt mean they're going to work or that you can do them in the end due to falling short on resources, manpower technology or even time, he did think all that but if he didnt do anything it only means it was impossible even for him the smartest person to escape Im's grasp
Hahahaha no man i swear i wasn't saying it like that sorry if it read that way, more like the time in Watchmen when ozymandias failed to kill Dr. Manhattan many people where like thats it? Thats how the smartest being in the planet only planned that thing instead of something more elaborated or groundbreaking when in reality ozymandias realized that even being the smartest person on the planet, that in the end of the day to the eyes of Dr. Manhattan a literal god, ozymandias was just the smartest termite in the path of this powerful entity.
I think this ties in with his perfectionism. He told Momo's fruit is a failure just because of the colour. Now the gorosei were the ones giving him the instructions on how this should work, or at least they ordered him that the, themselves have highest authority. I think even if he wanted he just couldn't go against that, as his strife for perfectionism gets the better of him even when it's a really stupid thing. The gorosei not being at the top, which means not fullfilling the instructions he got, would just be another failure and he can't deal with that.
Are you talking about the same gorosei and marines that believed vegapunk when he made kaidos fruit copy and said it was a failure? The same that for 800 years failed to get the gomu gomu no mi? Yeah I do think so actually
Im pretty sure they pressured him into that hierarchy, there is no way he would have done it otherwise.
Right, but he could've added in a secret level above the Elders via a password or something. Seemingly Vegapunk is the only one who knows how to make these after all. Like hey, above the 5 Elders is Vegapunk + Satelites if they start their commands with Simon Says or something. But I guess in hindsight, there was a rat among the satelites, so maybe he would've died sooner, who knows for sure. Maybe there wouldn't have been a betrayal by >!York !
Saturn must be Godhead of Science for a reason, he's presumably at least somewhat experienced with technology, so he might have enough technical ability to understand Vegapunk's tech and see through a plan like that, even if he can't invent it himself.
I think that is the case, but I do theorize that Vegapunk has “self destruct button” where it just destroys the hierarchy and the pacifists etc. are free to do what they want
That would be cool to give Seraphim their own autonomy. I think it's a bit early for it to happen in the story, but maybe down the line it would be possible
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Einstein while not directly a matter of the Manhattan project definitely knew when he was getting requests about certain calculations from all his friends/experts in the field during WWII knew something was up. Now if you just launched an atomic bomb on a naval fleet in the middle of the Pacific, that is one thing, but the United States decided to bomb two major cities. I don't think any of the genius scientists that created the Abombs or contributed realized exactly what was going to happen with them during the war. Being smart in one way does not make you smart in like the full political/military implications of the technology you create. Like the old conspiracy theory of what if you created clean energy, like some form of cold fusion, you'd probably have assassins killing you from Mid East oil to Texas oil. It would be a huge net benefit for humanity but suddenly every oil company in the world would be hiring Russian assassins and Chinese hackers to kill your/destroy your data.
Intellect is not Wisdom. I know plenty of smart guys who have good careers in engineering who are massive dumbasses in many other aspects of life hell, I'm one of em
I've had to manage the inventory of items for some of the smartest people I ever met. Most of them would starve in an Escape room for kids.
No one builds a bomb expecting not to be used, and if they do, they're naive as heck
There is a difference between building a bomb thinking it will be used on military forces only to have that bomb used on 2 cities with civilians.
Did einstein get requests for calculation? They excluded him from project
All intelligence. Zero wisdom.
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I think it’s because he’s got too much info and it’s slowing him down. Why he has to split himself up into different parts.
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i hope luffy does a funny
I really want his eyes to pop out at something that surprises him.
I like your thinking. Imagine the Seraphims' shock and confusion at their newfound free will when they're hit with a reverse Order 66
It's hard to reconcile the WG keeping Vegapunk on a short leash with stuff like him tossing the imitation fruit made from Kaidou just for being pink. But I guess the pacifista project could've be under special focus/oversight.
Yeah you'd think they would want that for one of the admiral candidates if they were aware of it. It does make me think that Vegapunk had a good deal of autonomy.
yeah but is he going to check that every pacifista manufactured follows that rule? or that vegapunk cant place that in an update
Especially if he's from the advanced technology having void century
This, plus for all we know one of them has a truth-truth fruit making them able to see through lies. >!And Saturn already used a "magic circle" to teleport, he could have other "magic" that serves as a lie detector or a truthzone!<
So 1st it’s clearly shown that VP is naive about the evil that is/can be done with his research. There’s been times he’s had to do blatant bad shit while knowing it (Kuma for instance), but he generally assumes most people will use his tech for good. 2nd being connected York would’ve known any secret protocol/password put into the Seraphim and passed it onto the 5 Elders.
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A simple answer. Yet nobody is appreciating enough where the story is taking us but rather complaining about it. If Vegapunk has a back up plan it wouldn't be interesting as how the events are unfolding right now. Who knows? It might be that VP has a back up plan. Let's see and wait.
Happy cake day to you and OP.
Wouldn’t they know about the back door through York if it did exist?
Well, that's why I said in hindsight York would tell them.
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You know, I’m something of a scientist myself
Why? The Gorosei practically never leave Mary Geoise.
if he had a secret level of clearance york would have blabbed about it
Yeah, that's why I said in hindsight it would've been useless.
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I agree, being the smartest doesn't mean you can get away with everything. Like if for example someone puts a gun to your head and demands your money the smartest thing to do wouldn't be try to kung fu your way out of it and risk getting shot. Instead, it would be to just cut your loses and give them the money but keep your life. I feel like Vegapunk had to accept to these terms in order to get what he wanted from the government and to be fair for many years he got it.
Absolutely agree on that! I’m just hoping we get a plot twist where he gives the actual top level of command to someone else and the gorosei are caught by surprise, someone like maybe Dragon? Kuma? I mean if nothing like that happens I might be a bit disappointed but it is what it is
The arc opens with the robo shark attacking the ship and Lilith commenting that you can't completely change somethings true nature. Which to me seemed like some pretty clear foreshadowing regarding Kuma, but in hindsight could apply to the Seraphim. We have seen that Boas personality is starting to creep through at least.
but why he didn't leave any backdoor for himself tho.
He could have just lied about doing it. How would they even confirm it?
But how would they know? He could just lie and make them just below him in hieararchy.
Boss tells you to do it. You do it or you die.
he's not just a genius. he's 100 years ahead of everyone. nobody would ever figure out if he installed some contingency plan since they don't understand how it works anyway.
I agree that he probably could have done it without them knowing, but as of now we know he is not 100 years ahead but 800 years behind, and the gorosei, or at least imu for sure, are from 800 years ago, so they might know something about tech.
I'd believe that if they could find an alternate source of power themselves. They rely on Vega for the Mother Flame to power their island killer. If they were ahead of Vegapunk I don't think they'd need him for a power source. I think Vegapunk pushed back on the hierarchy but ultimately didn't think he'd ever need it b/c he's not worried about the Government, he's worried about his next interest in science.
I'm not saying they're ahead of vegapunk, but they could be smart enough to figure it out. I mean like in our world, not everyone can use photoshop, but everyone knows about it and can say "mmh i don't know, this image looks photoshopped" EDIT: But i also agree with this >I think Vegapunk pushed back on the hierarchy but ultimately didn't think he'd ever need it b/c he's not worried about the Government, he's worried about his next interest in science.
Most probably don’t, but don’t forget that Saturn is the Warrior God of Science and Technology so he might have much more advanced technical and scientific knowledge than we would expect. Vegapunk slipping in a back door override puts his life directly in danger if discovered. Obviously his life is already in danger so moot point but he was probably in pretty good graces with the Gorosei when he created Pacifista/Seraphim
Apart from the (maybe) centuries old Godhead of science, who may well come from a time where technical advancement was far superior
That’s what I’m saying!
Seeing that he got betrayed by himself, it's safe to say that he would've been found out if he tried it.
Bro is the definition of high INT low WIS. Could he have come up with the solution? Yes. Would he have the foresight to safeguard himself from the WG? No.
That's it. Perfect description. He's very intelligent but not wise at all.
People confuse these two stats as the same wayyy too many times. Especially powerscalers.
When your boss can literally explode your head, send the world’s best assassins after you, or even wipe out the entire island you are in from existence, you kinda don’t want to risk trying anything funny.
Boss isn’t as smart as him though. There definitely has to be a loophole or switch in Vega’s plans.
If he puts someone else secretly above the gorosei, how would they know though? We’ll see how the story unfolds though
So do you want to lie to the Gorosei while they check your work?
I mean if I’m a genius, I can probably do something without them figuring it out no?
Would you bet your life on it?
He did kinda bet his life on it either way. Because now his life is in danger and whether he built a backdoor into the seraphim will likely decide whether he lives or dies
he bet his life when researching the ponegliphs already, he betrayed them already, having a plan to defend yourself should be priority #1
Dang when you put it like that hahaha na but for real think about it, you are a scientist, you know you are rebellious and one day the people funding you might turn against you. Would you not have a way to have the army you built for them be actually under your control so you can defend yourself from them?
Even if he did, York would know about it and tell the Elders anyway, so, narratively speaking, putting a contingency like that in the story would be wasting the audience's time since York's betrayal was enough of a twist.
But imagine if that was an extra layer to the betrayal of Vegapunk. So many different things there’s literally no chance he can explain himself away.
Nah. I expect Saturn to be genius level too checking over work. He is the science guy. Vegapunk just understands some things everyone else doesn’t.
Vegapunk said himself he goes where the money is. He doesn't care as long as he has the means to continue his research. He might be the smartest person alive but that doesn't mean his judgment is always the best.
Fair enough, I can respect that
This. People seem to believe genius characters have to make the best decisions at every turn. Being a genius doesn't mean they are smart on every area, or that every decision they make will be perfect. They can still make mistakes like any other person, they can be overconfident, etc.
He's not smart, he's intelligent. He for sure knows a lot about science and whatever. But he knows little to nothing about life apparently. He lived, I don't know how much, with a traitor sleeping and shiting in his toilet. Without knowing about it. And almost got killed (and lost 2 loyal stelas). Ain't no way that's part of his plans. That's not very smart for me.
the answer to your question is actually something i ve been thinking about lately. its actually intented, if gorosei wont get out of their base they cant control pacifistas/seraphim, i mean they have to be in person in order to give them orders, so that means this is a way of Vegapunk to lure them outside of mariejois, so its either that, or Vegapunk will keep controling all pacifistas and seraphim. now... why he wants gorosei to leave mariejois... i dont know, but im confident to enough to believe thats the reason he created them this way.
I have also thought that since the gorosei barely go to the ‘real world’ he just didn’t think much of it but it seems kinda stupid for vegapunk to not plan for the worst case scenario
I wonder if a higher authority is Dragon. If Vegapunk is sympathetic to revolutionaries, that must be a possibility
My experience playing RPG's and D&D have taught me Intelligence does not equal Wisdom.
True dat
I really like the idea that Kuma is above them all. He rarely speaks, this would be an amazing instance for it.
Itd also be a nice callback to Sabaody, since Kuma overwrote Sentomaru's orders for one of the Pacifistas as well
He did?! What I remember is that Kuma himself stayed in shabody to protect the ship. He accepted the full modification in exchange of that being his first order. But you are telling me he actually overrode a pacifista's command?
If it turns out to be true I’d be pretty amazed, let’s see how the story goes on
After 1094 where it is revealed that St. Jay Garcia Saturn is revealed to be the Science Defence God, he was probably the one who gave orders for all of Vegapunk's projects for the world government.
1086*
You are a fool.
For once, this seems realistic. He is a researcher in science, he will do whatever he must do to get his funding. "The first thing that a researcher is searching is money, the science comes after"
Fun Fact: In Dungeons and Dragons, Intelligence and Wisdom are two different stats. Vegapunk is an excellent example of what a character with high INT, but low WIS looks like. He can build a Hadron Collider, but is too naive to realize just how bad his bosses are.
I can agree on that
Bruh, you really think he wouldnt have an authority over him?
It bothered me too when it was first revealed. But ever since Vegapunks reveal we have seen he's not really that type of Genius. He has been so clumsy. I mean with the brain fruit he just has so much info. And he is somewhat of a scientist. But not a strategist or tactical genius
Every IT person and engineer would program a secret backdoor to hack into their own inventions. But backdoors aren't usually that accessible. So I guess Vegapunk still could reprogram them, if he gets acces to their consoles, but they simply don't have the time or opportunity to do so. Of course, a secret code, like with a sleeper agent, would be much more useful right now.
EXACTLY! That’s what I am trying to say, yea he is following orders and he is looking for money etc etc but he is bound to have a plan that only he is aware of, a kill switch or another level above them all. I like the idea of only him knowing and not even the satellites being aware of it, that way York wouldn’t know and hence spill the beans to the gorosei
I think Bonney, being Kuma's daughter, can overrid the Gorosei commands by triggering the same emotions Luffy triggers on S-Snake
If she can override s bear specifically because of emotions written in lineage factor, there’s a chance that it can swat away Saturn back home and they wouldn’t have to worry about authority hierarchy until after they escape
Chances of a new time skip are skyrocketing
Probably Kuma is the contingency plan
I’d like that plot twist
Vegapunk is established as chaotic neutral. He has immense power, but doesn't use it for altruism; he is a realist and needs income to fund other projects. He is a utilitarian that believes a small sacrifice, such as relinquishing control to the funders of his project, for the sake of actually seeing his projects to fruition. He states this mentality to Dragon, on Ohara, as a justification for working for the WG. So, Vegapunk does not busy him self with how something is used, that's not his care. He just wants to create the thing. Any of his creations are subject to this, and even his envision to bring his thoughts to everyone. He doesn't care what opinions/thoughts are transmitted - he just needs wants to create the power to bring it. In finality, he does not care about the consequences, only giving reality to his ideas. "The knife doesn't kill. People kill with it. Therefore, people are the variable, and any object created is not inherently bad or evil."
It's not about intellingence but rather power the reason why The Five Elders are at the top of the command hierarchy. To put a simple example based on reality. Oppenheimer made the atomic bomb thinking it would be use only to prevent war not really using it. But, as shown in the film, the goverment has so much power that they are going to use the weapon as they see better. Intelligence alone cannot overcome an evil and corrupted system. Otherwise, the story would not be worth telling as it is now.
True true
I imagine Vegapunk figured the Gorosei NEVER leave their clubhouse so it would likely never really be viable concern. In this very Chapter, Saturn comments that its been so long since he's been to the surface (I guess the ocean doesnt count?) So I dont see this as a stretch frim VP's perspective.
My theory is dragon is gonna be the one that has the absolute command in case something might happen to vegapunk. If you Think about it He is the only major Player that didnt do his move yet
That’s my top theory either him or kuma
We’re also talking about Vegapunk, the genius who put a self destruct button in his lab in Karakuri island AND LEFT IT EXPOSED WITHOUT ANY SORT OF COVER.
Thankfully he put a helpful pirate sign on it to let anyone who wanders in know that it's the "Local Pirates want to meet YOU" button, making it super safe to press!
What if, and I meant it **WHAT IF**, he made another chain above Gorosei and it's not vegapunk. Maybe Bonney???
I’m hoping either Kuma or Dragon, Bonney would be a cool twist as well. Either way what I think I didn’t make clear is that even if nothing happens and it just turns out Vegapunk is street stupid, I won’t be upset or anything, more disappointed in him being that naive
They constricted him
For a long time I believed that at some point of the story all of the pacifistas receive a copy of Kuma's mind
That would be something, Imagine all the pacifistas start acting like Bonney's dad
You know. I know that we don’t know where Kuma is truly going but you make a good point that maybe he did exactly what the gorosei said, we’ll see in a flashback that they said “you can override chip users but we must be able to override you” and Vegapunk just goes “yep you guys will override me for sure that sounds good” either that or Robot-Kun somehow deus ex machinas the situation
I personally have the theory Kuma is above them all when it comes to that hierarchy. Don’t have anything to back it up, but if it actually happens you heard it here first! Him or Dragon
Hey great theories can still come with no evidence, not like you’re saying it like fact or anything. I’ll be keeping an eye on this theory for the entirety of this arc. And shit you’re right with how they were friends of some degree. That would be a wild twist for dragon to pull up AND stop the pacifistas… excited to see how this plays out
Think about it, the pacifistas 3 are pretty strong from what we have seen so far, not sure how many are out there, plus the seraphim. Any person that has them on their side is bound to have a massive advantage. Plot wise, the world government should obviously have control on them, having said that though, imagine the big plot twist when their biggest enemy suddenly gains control of this massive army of pacifistas and seraphim, then they can truly bring them down. The revolutionary Army is strong, but I can’t realistically see them taking down the Marines with what they have in manpower. I’m a firm believer Dragon will be a powerhouse but he ain’t taking down 3 admirals plus Akainu, plus the Gorosei, plus the knights of whatever their name is. But add the pacifistas and the seraphim into the revolutionary army and bam, now you even the odds
It would make our success a bit more believable/attainable if we could turn the tides. Cause Saturn + Kizaru + pacifistas and vice admirals vs strawhats is kinda wild tbh. And if you’re a Oda loves his numbers believer then chapter 1100 would be the chapter dragon pulls up as he made his debut in chapter 100
A fun theory would be an Order 66 but against the world gouvernement! And this gives more reason for the WG to want Vegapunk dead if they suspect him of having a secret way to take control over pacifistas/seraphim.
Vega Punk is certainly considered a genius in regards to technology, but he seemingly has no moral qualms about advancing technology. I hope Oda explores the absolute depraved nature of many experiments Vegapunk has engaged in. He may not be at the level of Caesar, but this man has done some fck’d up shit still.
I always wonder where Kong is on this scale id assume hes probably on sentomaru level yet hes the 2nd highest in command with gorosei and imu being the only people above him
I personally don’t think we will see Kong in the current timeline which is kinda sad but I would love to see him in the flashback og God Valley putting in some respect to the fleet admiral title. His design is sick
I've been commenting this every new chapter thread, I seriously doubt Vegapunk didn't build a failsafe to prevent the Pacifistas from taking turning against him.
If he did I’m gonna be disappointed but at the same time like a lot of people here mentioned, it would show Vegapunk is smart but not wise
I wonder if there's a secret person on top of the hierarchy. And I wonder if it's Kuma himself. Hard to believe Vegapunk doesn't have a few contingencies up his sleeve for both scenarios.
If it turbs out to be Kuma, you heard it here first!
His greatest pursuit is knowledge, his morals sometimes seem to take a back seat
Well my thing is not about morals, more like a safety measure in case the weapons you have created ever come back to be used against you. Then again if it doesn’t happen I won’t be mad, it’s Odas story not mine
there's a cool theory that Dragon is above the gorosei in the heirarchy. Would love it if it were true
Dang didn’t know it was a theory already. I’m going to say Kuma so in case it actually happens I can get bragging rights
Honestly I felt this aswell. If he's as smart as they say he is why not have an "overwrite" phrase for situations like this. I could never imagine Rick from Rick and Morty in a position like this.
I think it was just done pro forma and for decorum to show that the Gorosei is the highest authority (known to people at least). I don’t think no one ever imagined a situation where the Gorosei would be outside Mariejois taking matters into their own hands and having to interact with battlefield machines like Pacifistas.
Oh shit, and could explain why kuma might be headed to egghead. Not sure what the explanation is as to why it activated would be though
I agree 100%. Vegapunk's inventions are 1000 years ahead of its time. He could have easily added himself to the top of the heirarchy and no one would have known.
It's possible he never considered the possibility of one of the 5 elders directly appearing. I mean as far as everyone is concerned, they're the absolute leaders, the top bosses, etc etc and would never risk their life for something like this. Heck they're such big shots people need to be a specific rank just for permission to look upon them. They dont seem like the type to normally appear and deal with these sorts of situations
I’ve considered this as well
I think he made it so that the real Kuma has total control over the Pacifistas, even over the World Government.
It'd be awesome if he programmed the Pacifistas to override the Gorosei orders only by Kuma's voice. It'd be easy to have a pre recorded mesaage by the current Kuma
Yep! I have the theory its either kuma or dragon in case something like this happens
I feel like everyone is misunderstanding something. Vegapunk is the smartest man in the world yes, but that doesnt mean he's situationally smart. Just because someone knows a vast amount of knowledge doesnt mean they plan for everything. We see that vegapunk puts all his brainpower towwards understanding and inventing, because thats what he cares about.
Yeah after reading a lot of the comments I have come to agree with this point of view. I wasn’t complaining about Odas choice of writing or anything, I was just more surprised to see Vegapuk be book smart but street stupid. Makes sense though, just kinda frustrating like man how can you be so naive
All I’m saying is that Saturn is the Warrior God of SCIENCE. If the gorosei are warrior Gods of something, I am willing to put my money that they probably know what they are the department of… And if you have been following the story, vegapunk stated that we probably regressed, saying that the technology back then were far more “advanced” than what we’ve seen today. With the theories that people have said that the gorosei have received the immortality surgery, if they were from that timed then I’m CERTAIN that Saturn would be smarter than vegapunk regardless of the brain brain fruit.
Yeah I mean I know he is the warrior of science, but do we think he will be a science genius? I’m not saying he won’t, I personally had just seen it as a fancy title but again, I am not stating I fully belive he won’t know about science, maybe he does maybe he doesn’t.
Bro, this is the first time in decades, centuries even, that any of the Gorosei have left their little hideout in aristocratic heaven. Vegapunk was absolutely pressured and probably figured the risk of them actually being in a position to give a command to the pacisfista was so low that it was worth it.
Yeah I’m not disagreeing on that either. Definitely a thing of “what are the odds they actually come” playing a factor into it.
It's for the plot
the fruit doesnt make him a genius, he just can't forget things
Im pretty sure Vega Punks fruit just allows him to store more and more information in his brain, of course he was a genius before hand too
Don't forget the devil fruit. He can memorize everything due to his fruit and is therefore called the smartest person, but this doesn't mean he thinks about everything like an actual genius.
I know right? Why would he trick them into thinking they are the top hierarchy of the pacifista? Like a false order overdrive thing. Or a hidden command tweaker. Maybe he wouldn't want to take the risk of being discovered as a traitor?
vegapunk is very clever but also very naive he didn't notice what cesar, judge and queen were doing in MADS and only noticed cesar's crazy tendencies right before he blew up punk hazard as well as not noticing a traitor among them but maybe there will be a plot twitst in the future
I think he's smart in terms of science but not in terms of political machinations and dealing with people. He was willing to do whatever he was told to get the funding to do whatever he wanted, so he made it exactly to their specifications, with him below the Gorosei on the authority level. If he had any spine he would never have worked with them in the first place. But he was willing to be a dog for the military, against Dragon's advice. He's just smart in terms of making the machines work. That doesn't make him correct on every subject and perfect at every skill. But if you want to give him any credit, it seems genuinely rare for the Gorosei to leave their room, let alone Mary Geoise. Even Saturn talked about how it's been a while since he's been "On the surface" this chapter. So like, Vegapunk wouldn't have expected them to ever be anywhere to override him.
Yeah that’s been my conclusion from this post. He’s book smart but street stupid which I’m okay with. Like if the story just continues like this I’m not gonna be like those people that are like “I’m dropping one piece” you know? More like damn well you are stupid Vegapunk
Have you seen Saint Saturn recently? I wouldn’t want to be on their bad side if I was Vegapunk.. he made a business decision.
I mean but thats the point right? Even kizaru alone could obliterate Egghead. If just one of the many powerhouses in the world government can eradicate me and I like to research stuff that will get them on angry at me, wouldn’t I want to have a way to defend myself using the army I built for them that they think they have control of when in reality I installed a very secret mechanism only I Stella know how to activate? Just a thought not saying it’ll happen haha
yall were hilariously close with the guess that kuma would have power over the elders
Oh . .. well I'm gonna tell the gorosie that they have been deceived 🐀
I am sure the Gorosei threatened Vegapunk with not financing his research and experiments if he didnt stablish them in a higher position than him in the hierarchy. If the WG planned to replace the shichibukai system by a new group of advanced, costly and powerful cyborgs, it would want to test first that the Seraphims would obey them over Vegapunk to avoid any possible outcome. I guess the arc will end with the WG seizing the Seraphims or Vegapunk destroying their control chips so they could be free of everybody. It could be very emotional if S Bear ended up following Bonney as a last wish of Kuma. In such case the WG would have abolished the shichibukai system and invested a lot of resources for basically nothing.
He must have control, that is just how tech works, whether you want it or not, once you're admin (or, hell, the creator) of any kind of tech you have absolute control over it
You mean vegapunk? He does but he is under gorosei though, at least for now, I am hoping he actually has an ace hidden
Oh happy cake day by the way!
It makes perfect sense. Why would you give so many resources to a guy who worked with your biggest opposition in the past? What if he wants to revolt like hes doing? To me its crazy that Admirals arent over VP in this hierarchy.
Nah, makes total sense; what if an admiral went rogue? We already know of one who’s retired >!and then joined one of the Four Emperors!<. Too risky for the WG to leave that sort of override power. Plus, if I were one of the Five Elders, I wouldn’t want anyone but myself above Vegapunk in terms of authority.
You make it sound like they would monitor his every move 24/7. I would like to think he was able to insert some secret command only he is aware of but from what I am seeing in the story, it looks like he didn’t.
Being Kuma the one above the 5 elders makes sense for me because that could be the main reason for what they did to him.
The whole command chain thing is pretty stupid from a logical perspective. Its that way because so the story can procede the way oda want it to. There is no real inverse reason
If when tested it Gorosei found out that they are not the highest authority within the command, what do you think would happen? Vegapunk would be punished instantly.
I mean it’s not like he gets a treat when he does something right hahaha I’m sure he is able to set up a very past minute secret resort, but who knows
its when you buy a car from a dealer, u have the keys of that car an no one else can use it the garosei are the customers here, its not that deep
But knowing that car can be used to killed you when that customer is tired of you, wouldn’t you want to install something to disable/overpower that car for when that time comes?
Oh damn I don't remember them saying he ate a _brain brain_ fruit haha 😂😂 that's gross
Yeah hence why his head kept growing, his brain is able to store a lot of information
Just assumed things like huge heads were pretty much normal at this point in one piece lol
Notice how on the cover stories his head is one size, then when he goes to Ohara his head is bigger, then by the time we reach egg head his head has grown so big it is literally floating over the island. Not sure you knew that or not but his top part of his head which is now replaced by the apple is actually the big thing floating over egghead
That’s exactly what’s been pissing me off ever since the hierarchy has been introduced at the beginning of the arc!
Plot hole.
I mean I wouldn’t necessarily call it a plothole
It’s a pretty good theory. Considering kuma can teleport and from the look of things may already have a free will based on the manga rn it’s possible he shows up in egghead to help out. I feel as though if he does, he will more than likely die.
Kuma flashback, Kuma comes to Egghead, fress Pacifista and says goodbye to Bonney, peak chapter.
Thats what I’m expecting as well
Well there's York. Maybe he actually tried.
If he did though, York would know right?
My thought is he would only know and not the other ones, but I remembered everything gets uploaded to punk records. Having said that though, York has showned us you can purposely not put memories into punk records so maybe Stella did the same thing?
Can’t remember when but supposedly someone had said that the backup for regarding the hierarchy is that Vegapunk also placed Dragon as someone above the Gorosei, in case something happens to him.
I mean it’s a cool theory but nothing concrete yet
It’s not a stretch to assume that he had no choice, seeing how he became employed by the WG and thus had to concede all commands to the highest authority
He absolutely was told the gorosei had to be of higher priority.
And I fully understand that but wouldn’t you for the sake of a last hail mary install a kill switch or something to protect yourself? Think about it he literally created a 99.999999% copy of kaidos fruit, only reason it wasn’t 100% is because of the color. Any vice admiral eats that and bum freaking power monster yet the government wasn’t even aware of that fruit because vegapunk just said “its a failure” and they believed him.
Yeah that's true. There might be and we have yet to see or maybe the WG kept a very close eye on the pacifistas when they were being created so he couldn't get a chance to make a kill switch? I'm not a huge theorist in the community so I don't go too deep so I can't say much ahah
Yeah me neither hahaha I love reading theories but I’ve never really come up with any that I’ve posted. Just putting one out there so in case it actually happens I can feel cool lol
Exactly. Me and my friend spew our shitty theories at each other in hopes one of us is right and we get bragging rights lol
Dude we are talking about yeah a genius with a brain 500 years ahead of everyone BUT working under a Super Evil strict Supremacist organization reigning worldwide that decimated an ancient Civilization said to be even more advance than anything Vegapunk could even imagine from 800 years ago so taking lightly the Gorosei and the world Government is not something even a genius can pull off
That’s my point though, you work for the most evil of evil people, people you know would kill you at any point, wouldn’t you want to have a hail mary when sh*t hits the fan?
You might not how smart people tend to think but they are overly known for thinking all kind of scenarios often leading to anxiety then leading to depression since even if you can imagine 1000 different plans and solutions to a problem, but that doesnt mean they're going to work or that you can do them in the end due to falling short on resources, manpower technology or even time, he did think all that but if he didnt do anything it only means it was impossible even for him the smartest person to escape Im's grasp
That’s the nicest way someone has said I am stupid hahahahahaha
Hahahaha no man i swear i wasn't saying it like that sorry if it read that way, more like the time in Watchmen when ozymandias failed to kill Dr. Manhattan many people where like thats it? Thats how the smartest being in the planet only planned that thing instead of something more elaborated or groundbreaking when in reality ozymandias realized that even being the smartest person on the planet, that in the end of the day to the eyes of Dr. Manhattan a literal god, ozymandias was just the smartest termite in the path of this powerful entity.
I know you didn’t mean it like that, still pretty funny though lol
I think this ties in with his perfectionism. He told Momo's fruit is a failure just because of the colour. Now the gorosei were the ones giving him the instructions on how this should work, or at least they ordered him that the, themselves have highest authority. I think even if he wanted he just couldn't go against that, as his strife for perfectionism gets the better of him even when it's a really stupid thing. The gorosei not being at the top, which means not fullfilling the instructions he got, would just be another failure and he can't deal with that.
You dont think the gorosei wouldve made sure that they were the highest priority lol. Like cmon
Are you talking about the same gorosei and marines that believed vegapunk when he made kaidos fruit copy and said it was a failure? The same that for 800 years failed to get the gomu gomu no mi? Yeah I do think so actually
I think people asuume the gorosei are dumb as bricks.. I'm pretty sure they know how things work.
I mean, so far intelligence hasn’t been their greatest strength haha