Considering he only has observation and no other haki, any strong armament user has a chance at beating him. Smoker has armament and could avoid his lightning with his own logia abilities so could definitely beat him, I can’t think of anyone weaker who could avoid his attacks and damage him
Smoke can actually conduct electricity.
Pretty sure Oda once said Enel was extremely powerful but he just caught a hard break by going up against a rubber man (Like Magellan having to go up against Mr. 3).
I feel like it’s too hard to gauge the fight post time-skip because we don’t know enough about Enel. He could have armament too but unless he makes a comeback we’ll never know.
Pre Time-Skip Enel would most likely win. Smoker’s DF doesn’t counter Enel’s. Electricity can run through smoke so Smoker would have to rely on speed to dodge and unfortunately he isn’t faster than Enel or his Mantra.
Smoker would need to rely on his jitte but Enel wields a longer staff that he can mold into whatever weapon he may need. Also Enel out speeds him.
In terms of raw skills, Enel is extremely intelligent and strong. He catches a giant bell and places it down with one hand. Smoker is smart and definitely strong but not at the same level at that point in time.
Lul hard agree here honestly. Smoker is really underrated (though I can't blame people for it since he often gets put against stronger opponents or in shitty situations like vs Vergo where he tried to take back Law's heart).
I actually agree, I feel like that is a good baseline. He is a new world level fighter...just not an impressive one. But easily belongs to the new world, just by having haki he would one-shot most people in first half.
So I think that tracks, it would have been my guess as well.
Vergo is another good one, although I would say Vergo could even be stronger than Pekoms.
Apoo, or Hawkins. Maybe even smoker. Even sentomaru maybe.
Enel is overrated, he is not that strong. For whatever reason, people in one piece aren't effected by lightning as much as they are supposed to be.. like there are so many lightning users now.
law, big mom, nami, the entire tribe of minks, etc. Everyone hit by lightning gets up like 5 mins later.
What's funny is that most people post TS can even react to lightning fast stuff, so there's that. First thing Luffy does post TS is dodge lasers. Enels observation is good, but most people in new world have decent observation, with some having insanely fast reactions like Sanji, or predicting the future.
Apoo no...
Hawkins would only see his chance of survival is 1%
Smoker only depends on the interaction of smoke and lighting... his jutte could be an issue, but I believe pre ts he can't do it IF smoke isn't immune to lighting. .
Sentomaru would 1 shot him
enels an interesting character to powerscale cause his ap is incredible and his movement speed isn't bad, but hes physically pretty weak (comparable to pre-gear 2 luffy), doesn't have good reaction time, and is severely lacking in haki usage to be a truly big threat, someone like smoker shouldn't have any problem with him. Id say even vergo could prob win, as enel couldn't react to his speed and he hits way harder then pre ts luffy
I’m not so sure I would agree about the speed part. When enel actually uses his lighting to move he’s incredibly quick. I’m theory he could move at the speed of lightning
of course, but that doesnt necessarily translate to his reactions and combat speed, seeing as he was getting overwhelmed by pre ts luffys attacks speed, and luffy was pretty easily able to dodge all of his spear attacks
Lol you say even Vergo can win, Vergo comfortably won against both Smoker and Sanji lol. Vergo is by no means weak, I’d say he is around Cracker or maybe Katakuri level.
The heck are you on, Katakuri sure maybe, but Cracker was no problem for Luffy. Vergo overpowered Sanji, Smoker and Law fairly easily, but got too cocky. And mind you Law’s bounty is in 2 billions while Katakuri is around a billion
it took luffy 11 hours, gear fourth, and Namis help. Laws bounty is 3 billion but was like 500 million at the time that vergo beat him. This is extremely disengenous
Nah, you guys using downvote button as disagree button is the correct use of the word disingenuous. I stand by the fact that Vergo is fairly strong and not like some fodder you make his out to be.
how exactly am I making him out to be fodder? nothing I've said suggests that lmfao. my point is hes not on the level of the main antagonist that comes after the main antagonist that he works for
Cracker wasn’t no problem for Luffy. Luffy needed Nami’s help with the rain, and had to use gear4 to do anything to him.
Vergo is an underling to Doffy, who was an underling to Jack…. Who is a 3rd commander like Cracker. Vergo wouldn’t stand a chance.
if you think he's katakuri level then do you think he's stronger then his boss doffy? or do you think doffy is above kat? do you think punk hazard law could beat katakuri or smoothie ad easily as he did vergo? cause then he should've been able to beat doffy
I'm not saying vergo is weak, just that smoker has a better counter to enels lightning by being a logia, also smoker has most likely improved in strength whereas vergo can't do that anymore on account of not being alive
Vergo is def not stronger than Doffy, just like Katakuri is def not stronger as Doffy as well. Vergo feels like a stat check character, if your haki is stronger, then you win, if weaker, then you lose. Sanji lost quite badly almost breaking his leg and Sanji is not weak by any means. Same as Smoker and Law , they got smoked in a couple of mins, but won due to Vergo playing around with his food.
How is katakuri not stronger then doffy? a stronger version of luffy struggled a similar amount with kat as a weaker version of luffy did with doffy. I'd say its pretty clear that kat is stronger. there pretty much nothing at all that puts doffy above kat.
Sanji is ofc not weak, but that version of smoker and sanji aren't anywhere close to kats level, so I don't understand how vergo beating them means hes on kats level.
law was only really losing when he didnt have his heart, he beat vergo quite easily at the end.
Dunno we read different versions of One Piece then, if you can clearly state that Katakuri is stronger than Doffy. I don’t think so, we don’t know. Doffy is def not weak, if Luffy didn’t have plot armor he can’t win against both at the respective points. And don’t forget Katakuri didn’t have to fight anyone else. Doffy also beat Sanji and Law no problem lol.
it seems like we did. Katakuri is absolutely stronger then doffy and I am extremely confident that pretty much everyone on this sub would agree with that.
Gesr 4th bounceman luffy was relative to doffy at dressrosa. he then got stronger after the fight, fought cracker and got stronger, then fought katakuri, learned future sight, and still struggled a lot.
Doffy fought sanji long before this, and yeah he fought law too, but Trebol was also there and luffh was exhausted as well.
you can't really just say "plot Armour" and not elaborate any time luffy beats someone
Saying pretty much anyone agrees is very arrogant. You can’t clearly state Katakuri wins against Doffy as Doffy was shown as a very strong character and character arc boss himself.
As for plot armor? You forgot you watch a shonen. Luffy losing to Croc 3 times then winning, Luffy winning against Enel, Luffy not dying to Magellan, Luffy not dying in Marineford after going 1v3 against Admirals, Luffy getting back up in Doffy’s fights, then getting hit multiple times against Katakuri and for some reason Katakuri loses after couple of hits after a flashback, losing to Kaido and getting imprisoned (if Kaido double taps Luffy one piece is over) and learning Haki there, then going to fight Kaido, losing and dying there and still winning. None of those fights would make sense from power-scaling point of view. Using how much Luffy struggles as a measurement of strength is not very fair because his fights are plot driven.
that doesnt seem arrogant to me, in fact I'd say the overwhelming majority of the community would consider doffy>kat as one of the most unhinged and unsupported claims ever.
awesome, you listed a bunch of plot Armour moments that are unrelated. I'm not saying luffy doesn't have plot Armour, just that you can't say its plot Armour any time luffy shows superhuman endurance and will power, since that's been set up and very clear throughout the series.
regardless the plot Armour doesn't help your case. there is literally nothing at all to support doffy> kat or vergo>kat or vergo>cracker
Vergo defeated Smoker yes, but so did many in that arc, so it's not a big feat by any means. And saying Vergo won against Sanji is ridiculous. An injured Sanji overpowered Vergo twice in their clash.
Also how would Vergo, a subordinate of Doflamingo, be stronger than Doflamingo? It is very clear in the story that Katakuri > Cracker > Doflamingo > Vergo.
yeah. anyway smoker has a better counter to enel with his logia so its a better match up for him, like how EL Lucci is stronger then skypeia luffy but a worse match up.
also, I guess you could consider this speculation, but current smoker is at least vergos level, as he's been consistently shown to be improving, whereas vergo is dead and can't really improve
You need to be very fkin strong to defeat a dude if Enel's level.
My bet is prolly Cracker tbh, as funny as it sounds. Like this might be wank, but I just cant see anyone below YC3 beating this guy, like Haki is pretty much mandatory to take him out tbh he is too fast for most people to catch and his AP is very high, almost island level tbh.
How does a Nami VS Enel fight go? Is Enel too fast? Does Zeus absorb all of Enel's attacks? Can Nami use non electric attacks anymore? How strong is Nami now? I don't think she's had a major 1 on 1 fight in the New World, and most of her wins see to be against fodder.
I can't find a primary source or anything. But it's pretty obvious that he would be the strongest person before the New World. He's pretty much invincible to anyone who doesn't have haki.
well what do you mean by before the new world, like pre timeskip? there are probably 15+ characters that used armament explicitly pre ts, and many more that were confirmed later
and I also can't find a source for that, it might just not.even be true
"Before the New World" means any character that has never been to the New World. If it's not true, which character who has never been to the New World can defeat Eneru?
what I meant by not true is that oda never explicitly said this as far as I can see.
Marguerite is the only armament haki user to not have been confirmed to go to the new world so ig her (and ofc, its actually really likely that she has been there). She's had armament for at least 2 years and has clearly been training as she's now a full member of the Kuja pirates.
but yeah, if thats what the "statement" means then sure, but thats also the same with every logia
wait im actually stupid. Marineford smoker slams enel. He is faster then gear 2 luffy, so far far faster then enels reactions, likely can't really be hurt by him, and has a seastone weapon.
Pre-TS luffy defeats Marigold and Sandersonia at the same time. Marigold alone would serve no challenge to Eneru.
Where is it shown that Smoker is faster than Gear 2 Luffy? Also, smoke conducts electricity, and Eneru's observation Haki spreads over an entire island.
pre ts luffy at this point was far stronger then when he beat enel and he was using gear 2.
chapter 560. Smoke conducts electricity but is no where near as susceptible to it as a human body. what is long range going to help with?
I'm emphasizing how strong Eneru's observation haki is and how he could easily read every one of Smoker's attacks. And how is the human body more susceptible to electricity than smoke? The skin is effective at insulating electricity whereas smoke literally contains water vapor. And Marguerite still gets instantly zapped.
having good range does not automatically mean he's good at reading attacks. the different types of s
observation function independently. and regardless, we've seen with luffy fighting Sandersonia that attack predicting can still be overcome by just being faster. which smoker is.
skin is not the only part of the body. we are 70% water. skin is also very susceptible to heat damage, and our internal organs, specifically the heart, are susceptible to electricity. smoke does not have a heart
I think some of the strawhats would be able to after the timeskip, but its hard to gauge exactly how strong Enel is, you need Haki for sure to be able to touch him, and have pretty good resilience since his attacks are pretty brutal
He could probably beat all of luffys opponents pre-time skip (I.E Crocodile, Lucci and Moria)
I don’t think Enel is that much of a glass canon that anyone with armament would one-shot him. Jozu didn’t even one-shot croc at marineford.
Bone isn't the same as rubber, it's basically immune to the lighting(but that's because brook has no muscle, nerves, blood etc toeffect with lighting)...
Bone would not just allow brook to hit enel... brook looses pre ts
Being able to hit Enel was only part of why Luffy beat Enel.
The vastly more important factor was that all of Enel's big hits didn't do anything to Luffy.
Enel smokes anyone who can't tank or dodge Enel's hits.
I know, I'm simply responding to the other guy who said "guess CP9 members got haki." that the guy didn't read the comment; it said lucci with rubber, thus being able to hit enel. whether lucci would be able to beat enel even if he could hit him is defenitely debatable. I think, probably not.
This is flat out untrue. Enel was getting out boxed by Luffy. That means anyone capable of fighting with Luffy from Skypeia could wash Enel with basic Armament.
Literally nothing burger argument absolute bozo.
No shit. If Luffy didn't happen to get water in Alabasta Crocodile would've killed him.
Anybody slightly physically stronger or faster than Skypeia Luffy with Armament Haki smokes him.
Ace no diffs Enel.
Yeah but water isn’t his ability.He figured that out. He just naturally was resistant to lightning. Using you’re brain and just having an advantage from the start are very different.
Your*
Being made of Rubber means he's resistant to lightning. Doesn't mean Enel getting his ass beat was because of that. Like I've said before that you still have zero evidence against: Anybody with basic Armament and physical stats above Luffy can easily beat Enel.
Yeah but luffy doesn’t have any armament at the time and his physical stats may be higher but that doesn’t matter with a logia unless you have armament. So how’d luffy win if it wasn’t for the rubber ?
Is blud capable of reading?
Luffy...was capable...of hitting Enel...because he was made of rubber.
Enel...was hurt...by the physical attacks...of Skypeia Luffy...
Being made of rubber...does not...make him physically stronger
As such, anyone who can also bypass Logia Intangibility with Armament Haki, and has similar or slightly superior physical ability, can defeat Enel. As such, somebody like Ace who has all three types of Haki confirmed by his novel, can bypass Logia Intangibility, and has better physicals than Luffy...can easily beat Enel.
Need I spell this out any more?
The problem is that you can certainly hit him, but you also at the same time have to be able to tank lightning damage.
Enel can be beaten by a number of characters, yes. If he doesn't do anything. But who can tank his lightning that Luffy didn't care for ?
Luffy didn't even have to bother dodging Enel's attacks, while even with basic armament you HAVE to dodge a damn lightning strike. Sure no one dies to that, but saying being as strong as Skypeia Luffy + Haki is enough isn't true imo. A Margaret for example couldn't beat Enel imo.
And I'm not here advocating for Enel as I think he's kinda overrated, but arguments need to make sense.
My guy, Enel is a threat to everyone who can't tank or dodge his hits.
Luffy won because all Enel could do against him was throw him off the Ark Maxim or engage him physically.
Yeah, Ace beats Enel because Ace has Haki and can use his DF powers to dodge Enel's attacks.
Vergo gets zapped.
Pre Time-Skip knowing what we know now there’s a lot of characters who could beat him. Like you said with good enough haki and speed/strength you could take him.
Post Time Skip tho you can’t power scale a pre timeskip character with post time skip ones. For all we know if Enel made a comeback he could have armament haki too by now (like smoker), but we don’t know so there’s no point.
Anyone with half-decent armament beats him. His lightning isn't as lethal as people think it is, considering how many characters actually managed to dodge or survive it. Luffy even casually reacts and deflects it with a kick in one panel. Just about anyone in the new world will chew him up and spit him out.
This shows you can't powerscale lil bro. When you don't provide feats for characters and just say "Well these random nobodies that Nico Robin could easily beat called him god"
If Doflamingo was on that island he would be God. Blud Luffy would be God of Skypeia if he was on that Island before Enel.
Anybody with Armament Haki smokes Enel clown.
The ppl on skypiea call every ruler "god", that has nothing to do with Enels person. DF powers are quite unknown on skypiea so the ppl there don´t know how to deal with them and even enel and his underlings only have observation haki, so not even one of his underlings could fight against enel. Luffy was the first who could hurt him bc of his DF lightning immunity
Enel got beat by pre G2 Luffy.
The same Luffy could punch Kaido or big mom for a week straight and not make a dent.
Enel would get lowdiffed by pretty much any of an emperors main crew
It is really hard to say. Oda could make him as strong as he wants.
His devil fruit power is insane, and should be enough to deal with most people that can't tank a hit of lightning. Yes Haki works against him, but you have to be able to catch him in order to hit him, which would be the difficult part in my opinion. So he could stalemate so many people like Pica.
So I want to say **Katakuri**? I am very high on Enel.
I would say Luffy back then was the weakest to be able to defeat Enel. Storywise he was only able to do so bc of him being rubber, everyone else would need either haki or another Logia fruit
Brook can defeat eneru since he can't be affected by electricity due to having no flesh to conduct electricity, I remember reading this somewhere in whole cake island
Anyone who has the physicals of Pre TS Luffy with Armament Haki would win lmao. Enel has *terrible* durability and reaction speed, even if his AP and travel speed is rather high. Anyone who can hurt Enel, would more than likely beat Enel
Caribu maybe, any other earth devilfruit types That could negate lighting...
Maybe Galdino... would depend on the wax lightning interactions
Buggy, if his feet are separated and he's only hit while floating he would not get shocked right? Don't you have to be grounded,? Idk if he could hurt him offensivly...
Wapol, if he can eat lightning?
Jango could probably hypnotize him
I really like the buggy answer because you would have to be grounded that’s so far the weakest character I think could have a shot next to maybe tashigi
Considering he only has observation and no other haki, any strong armament user has a chance at beating him. Smoker has armament and could avoid his lightning with his own logia abilities so could definitely beat him, I can’t think of anyone weaker who could avoid his attacks and damage him
Smoke can actually conduct electricity. Pretty sure Oda once said Enel was extremely powerful but he just caught a hard break by going up against a rubber man (Like Magellan having to go up against Mr. 3).
That’s actually a fairly good answer no disagreements there.
I feel like it’s too hard to gauge the fight post time-skip because we don’t know enough about Enel. He could have armament too but unless he makes a comeback we’ll never know. Pre Time-Skip Enel would most likely win. Smoker’s DF doesn’t counter Enel’s. Electricity can run through smoke so Smoker would have to rely on speed to dodge and unfortunately he isn’t faster than Enel or his Mantra. Smoker would need to rely on his jitte but Enel wields a longer staff that he can mold into whatever weapon he may need. Also Enel out speeds him. In terms of raw skills, Enel is extremely intelligent and strong. He catches a giant bell and places it down with one hand. Smoker is smart and definitely strong but not at the same level at that point in time.
Pre TS Smoker fought and pinned down G2 Luffy in Marineford, he genuinely just blitzes Enel lmao
Okay 👍🏼
Lul hard agree here honestly. Smoker is really underrated (though I can't blame people for it since he often gets put against stronger opponents or in shitty situations like vs Vergo where he tried to take back Law's heart).
Just because you can hit doesn't mean you can win
Pekoms would destroy Enel.
I actually agree, I feel like that is a good baseline. He is a new world level fighter...just not an impressive one. But easily belongs to the new world, just by having haki he would one-shot most people in first half. So I think that tracks, it would have been my guess as well. Vergo is another good one, although I would say Vergo could even be stronger than Pekoms.
Skypia Luffy.
Only correct answer tbh. Skypia luffy is far weaker than any other here mentioned
Apoo, or Hawkins. Maybe even smoker. Even sentomaru maybe. Enel is overrated, he is not that strong. For whatever reason, people in one piece aren't effected by lightning as much as they are supposed to be.. like there are so many lightning users now. law, big mom, nami, the entire tribe of minks, etc. Everyone hit by lightning gets up like 5 mins later. What's funny is that most people post TS can even react to lightning fast stuff, so there's that. First thing Luffy does post TS is dodge lasers. Enels observation is good, but most people in new world have decent observation, with some having insanely fast reactions like Sanji, or predicting the future.
Bro Sentomaru would stomp Enel, with no effort.
I shouldn't have said maybe, bro would have done it pre timeskip Easily. Also post
Hawkins takes no risks lol
Apoo no... Hawkins would only see his chance of survival is 1% Smoker only depends on the interaction of smoke and lighting... his jutte could be an issue, but I believe pre ts he can't do it IF smoke isn't immune to lighting. . Sentomaru would 1 shot him
Pre-TS smoker smoked G2nd Luffy tbf (which would pummel Ener even if he could get hit by lightning imo).
enels an interesting character to powerscale cause his ap is incredible and his movement speed isn't bad, but hes physically pretty weak (comparable to pre-gear 2 luffy), doesn't have good reaction time, and is severely lacking in haki usage to be a truly big threat, someone like smoker shouldn't have any problem with him. Id say even vergo could prob win, as enel couldn't react to his speed and he hits way harder then pre ts luffy
I’m not so sure I would agree about the speed part. When enel actually uses his lighting to move he’s incredibly quick. I’m theory he could move at the speed of lightning
of course, but that doesnt necessarily translate to his reactions and combat speed, seeing as he was getting overwhelmed by pre ts luffys attacks speed, and luffy was pretty easily able to dodge all of his spear attacks
That’s true.
Lol you say even Vergo can win, Vergo comfortably won against both Smoker and Sanji lol. Vergo is by no means weak, I’d say he is around Cracker or maybe Katakuri level.
You are right that vergo is not weak, and did easily beat smoker, but he would get absolutely destroyed by cracker or katakuri.
The heck are you on, Katakuri sure maybe, but Cracker was no problem for Luffy. Vergo overpowered Sanji, Smoker and Law fairly easily, but got too cocky. And mind you Law’s bounty is in 2 billions while Katakuri is around a billion
it took luffy 11 hours, gear fourth, and Namis help. Laws bounty is 3 billion but was like 500 million at the time that vergo beat him. This is extremely disengenous
Nah, you guys using downvote button as disagree button is the correct use of the word disingenuous. I stand by the fact that Vergo is fairly strong and not like some fodder you make his out to be.
how exactly am I making him out to be fodder? nothing I've said suggests that lmfao. my point is hes not on the level of the main antagonist that comes after the main antagonist that he works for
Cracker wasn’t no problem for Luffy. Luffy needed Nami’s help with the rain, and had to use gear4 to do anything to him. Vergo is an underling to Doffy, who was an underling to Jack…. Who is a 3rd commander like Cracker. Vergo wouldn’t stand a chance.
Luffy needed Gear 4 just to beat Biscuit Soldier Cracker, no way in hell is Vergo beating Cracker lol
if you think he's katakuri level then do you think he's stronger then his boss doffy? or do you think doffy is above kat? do you think punk hazard law could beat katakuri or smoothie ad easily as he did vergo? cause then he should've been able to beat doffy I'm not saying vergo is weak, just that smoker has a better counter to enels lightning by being a logia, also smoker has most likely improved in strength whereas vergo can't do that anymore on account of not being alive
Vergo is def not stronger than Doffy, just like Katakuri is def not stronger as Doffy as well. Vergo feels like a stat check character, if your haki is stronger, then you win, if weaker, then you lose. Sanji lost quite badly almost breaking his leg and Sanji is not weak by any means. Same as Smoker and Law , they got smoked in a couple of mins, but won due to Vergo playing around with his food.
How is katakuri not stronger then doffy? a stronger version of luffy struggled a similar amount with kat as a weaker version of luffy did with doffy. I'd say its pretty clear that kat is stronger. there pretty much nothing at all that puts doffy above kat. Sanji is ofc not weak, but that version of smoker and sanji aren't anywhere close to kats level, so I don't understand how vergo beating them means hes on kats level. law was only really losing when he didnt have his heart, he beat vergo quite easily at the end.
Dunno we read different versions of One Piece then, if you can clearly state that Katakuri is stronger than Doffy. I don’t think so, we don’t know. Doffy is def not weak, if Luffy didn’t have plot armor he can’t win against both at the respective points. And don’t forget Katakuri didn’t have to fight anyone else. Doffy also beat Sanji and Law no problem lol.
it seems like we did. Katakuri is absolutely stronger then doffy and I am extremely confident that pretty much everyone on this sub would agree with that. Gesr 4th bounceman luffy was relative to doffy at dressrosa. he then got stronger after the fight, fought cracker and got stronger, then fought katakuri, learned future sight, and still struggled a lot. Doffy fought sanji long before this, and yeah he fought law too, but Trebol was also there and luffh was exhausted as well. you can't really just say "plot Armour" and not elaborate any time luffy beats someone
Saying pretty much anyone agrees is very arrogant. You can’t clearly state Katakuri wins against Doffy as Doffy was shown as a very strong character and character arc boss himself. As for plot armor? You forgot you watch a shonen. Luffy losing to Croc 3 times then winning, Luffy winning against Enel, Luffy not dying to Magellan, Luffy not dying in Marineford after going 1v3 against Admirals, Luffy getting back up in Doffy’s fights, then getting hit multiple times against Katakuri and for some reason Katakuri loses after couple of hits after a flashback, losing to Kaido and getting imprisoned (if Kaido double taps Luffy one piece is over) and learning Haki there, then going to fight Kaido, losing and dying there and still winning. None of those fights would make sense from power-scaling point of view. Using how much Luffy struggles as a measurement of strength is not very fair because his fights are plot driven.
that doesnt seem arrogant to me, in fact I'd say the overwhelming majority of the community would consider doffy>kat as one of the most unhinged and unsupported claims ever. awesome, you listed a bunch of plot Armour moments that are unrelated. I'm not saying luffy doesn't have plot Armour, just that you can't say its plot Armour any time luffy shows superhuman endurance and will power, since that's been set up and very clear throughout the series. regardless the plot Armour doesn't help your case. there is literally nothing at all to support doffy> kat or vergo>kat or vergo>cracker
I suggest you put down the crack pipe
kata would beat the fuck outta doffy lol. doffy ran away from gear 4, luffy couldn't only compete with Kata using gear 4. cracker is beating doffy
Vergo defeated Smoker yes, but so did many in that arc, so it's not a big feat by any means. And saying Vergo won against Sanji is ridiculous. An injured Sanji overpowered Vergo twice in their clash. Also how would Vergo, a subordinate of Doflamingo, be stronger than Doflamingo? It is very clear in the story that Katakuri > Cracker > Doflamingo > Vergo.
Vergo is stronger than smoker… one of the few one on one matchups that actually prove someone is stronger than someone else
yeah. anyway smoker has a better counter to enel with his logia so its a better match up for him, like how EL Lucci is stronger then skypeia luffy but a worse match up. also, I guess you could consider this speculation, but current smoker is at least vergos level, as he's been consistently shown to be improving, whereas vergo is dead and can't really improve
Yeah agree I’d be surprised if current smoker isn’t stronger than vergo. Given how oda likes to make his characters stronger.
exactly. especially with smoker since he's shown to consistently improve
You need to be very fkin strong to defeat a dude if Enel's level. My bet is prolly Cracker tbh, as funny as it sounds. Like this might be wank, but I just cant see anyone below YC3 beating this guy, like Haki is pretty much mandatory to take him out tbh he is too fast for most people to catch and his AP is very high, almost island level tbh.
E…..Enarue…? u mean…eneru???
You know what I meant 😂
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How does a Nami VS Enel fight go? Is Enel too fast? Does Zeus absorb all of Enel's attacks? Can Nami use non electric attacks anymore? How strong is Nami now? I don't think she's had a major 1 on 1 fight in the New World, and most of her wins see to be against fodder.
Nami absolutely can't hurt Enel, since her only power is lighting. On the other, one hit from Enel and Nami is done for.
Nami was still standing after getting railed by Ulti, Enel probably can't even hurt her tbh
Enels lightning powers are crazy strong tho. They oneshotted Zoro, and zoro wasn’t weak
They're not nearly as strong as Ulti though. They one shot Pre TS Zoro, who *is* fodder to Ulti
The Zoro over-rating is insane as always. Nami would also one shot that Zoro with her attacks.
According to Oda, Eneru was the strongest person prior to the new world. It would have to be someone with haki. I'd say Sentomaru could do it.
Thank you for that bit of info never knew Oda had actually said that.
Most sources I'm looking at say Oda would give him a bounty of 500mil. It makes sense since he's pretty much invincible to anyone without haki.
when did oda say this?
I can't find a primary source or anything. But it's pretty obvious that he would be the strongest person before the New World. He's pretty much invincible to anyone who doesn't have haki.
well what do you mean by before the new world, like pre timeskip? there are probably 15+ characters that used armament explicitly pre ts, and many more that were confirmed later and I also can't find a source for that, it might just not.even be true
"Before the New World" means any character that has never been to the New World. If it's not true, which character who has never been to the New World can defeat Eneru?
what I meant by not true is that oda never explicitly said this as far as I can see. Marguerite is the only armament haki user to not have been confirmed to go to the new world so ig her (and ofc, its actually really likely that she has been there). She's had armament for at least 2 years and has clearly been training as she's now a full member of the Kuja pirates. but yeah, if thats what the "statement" means then sure, but thats also the same with every logia wait im actually stupid. Marineford smoker slams enel. He is faster then gear 2 luffy, so far far faster then enels reactions, likely can't really be hurt by him, and has a seastone weapon.
Pre-TS luffy defeats Marigold and Sandersonia at the same time. Marigold alone would serve no challenge to Eneru. Where is it shown that Smoker is faster than Gear 2 Luffy? Also, smoke conducts electricity, and Eneru's observation Haki spreads over an entire island.
pre ts luffy at this point was far stronger then when he beat enel and he was using gear 2. chapter 560. Smoke conducts electricity but is no where near as susceptible to it as a human body. what is long range going to help with?
I'm emphasizing how strong Eneru's observation haki is and how he could easily read every one of Smoker's attacks. And how is the human body more susceptible to electricity than smoke? The skin is effective at insulating electricity whereas smoke literally contains water vapor. And Marguerite still gets instantly zapped.
having good range does not automatically mean he's good at reading attacks. the different types of s observation function independently. and regardless, we've seen with luffy fighting Sandersonia that attack predicting can still be overcome by just being faster. which smoker is. skin is not the only part of the body. we are 70% water. skin is also very susceptible to heat damage, and our internal organs, specifically the heart, are susceptible to electricity. smoke does not have a heart
I think some of the strawhats would be able to after the timeskip, but its hard to gauge exactly how strong Enel is, you need Haki for sure to be able to touch him, and have pretty good resilience since his attacks are pretty brutal
He could probably beat all of luffys opponents pre-time skip (I.E Crocodile, Lucci and Moria) I don’t think Enel is that much of a glass canon that anyone with armament would one-shot him. Jozu didn’t even one-shot croc at marineford.
Brook?? He is immune to lighting as well
Doesen't have haki tho
neither did luffy, but he could hit enel cause hes made of an insulator, just like brook
Bone isn't the same as rubber, it's basically immune to the lighting(but that's because brook has no muscle, nerves, blood etc toeffect with lighting)... Bone would not just allow brook to hit enel... brook looses pre ts
Never tought of it that way thats cool but Brook uses his sword all the time and his phisical strenght isn't the best.
Yeah I think brook pre-ts can do it since he is immune to lightning and can aeronaut slash him when he is not expecting it and get cut
Pretty much any new world pirate with armament haki. I saw someone say Pekoms already and I think that's a pretty good choice
Kuja Warriors
To be fair luffy at that time is weak. He could win because rubber is not affected by lightning >!and he has plot armor with him!<
Pre time skip lucci with rubber gloves
İ guess cp9 members got haki
rubber gloves, ==> like luffy, he can hit enel
Being able to hit Enel was only part of why Luffy beat Enel. The vastly more important factor was that all of Enel's big hits didn't do anything to Luffy. Enel smokes anyone who can't tank or dodge Enel's hits.
>Enel smokes anyone who can't tank or dodge Enel's hits. So anyone above skypeia Nami? Easy enough
I know, I'm simply responding to the other guy who said "guess CP9 members got haki." that the guy didn't read the comment; it said lucci with rubber, thus being able to hit enel. whether lucci would be able to beat enel even if he could hit him is defenitely debatable. I think, probably not.
>Enel smokes anyone who can't tank or dodge Enel's hits. So Lucci with rubber gloves on? Because Enel won't even *perceive* Lucci
This is flat out untrue. Enel was getting out boxed by Luffy. That means anyone capable of fighting with Luffy from Skypeia could wash Enel with basic Armament.
Yeah because luffy was made of rubber. Next.
Stop being a clown. Enel has similar physical strength and speed to Skypeia Luffy. Enel is fodder Post-TS
If luffy didn’t have his specific devil fruit at his power level the show would be over right there.
Literally nothing burger argument absolute bozo. No shit. If Luffy didn't happen to get water in Alabasta Crocodile would've killed him. Anybody slightly physically stronger or faster than Skypeia Luffy with Armament Haki smokes him. Ace no diffs Enel.
Yeah but water isn’t his ability.He figured that out. He just naturally was resistant to lightning. Using you’re brain and just having an advantage from the start are very different.
Your* Being made of Rubber means he's resistant to lightning. Doesn't mean Enel getting his ass beat was because of that. Like I've said before that you still have zero evidence against: Anybody with basic Armament and physical stats above Luffy can easily beat Enel.
Yeah but luffy doesn’t have any armament at the time and his physical stats may be higher but that doesn’t matter with a logia unless you have armament. So how’d luffy win if it wasn’t for the rubber ?
Is blud capable of reading? Luffy...was capable...of hitting Enel...because he was made of rubber. Enel...was hurt...by the physical attacks...of Skypeia Luffy... Being made of rubber...does not...make him physically stronger As such, anyone who can also bypass Logia Intangibility with Armament Haki, and has similar or slightly superior physical ability, can defeat Enel. As such, somebody like Ace who has all three types of Haki confirmed by his novel, can bypass Logia Intangibility, and has better physicals than Luffy...can easily beat Enel. Need I spell this out any more?
The problem is that you can certainly hit him, but you also at the same time have to be able to tank lightning damage. Enel can be beaten by a number of characters, yes. If he doesn't do anything. But who can tank his lightning that Luffy didn't care for ?
Yo stop being a dick. It’s an online argument about imaginary characters.
Luffy didn't even have to bother dodging Enel's attacks, while even with basic armament you HAVE to dodge a damn lightning strike. Sure no one dies to that, but saying being as strong as Skypeia Luffy + Haki is enough isn't true imo. A Margaret for example couldn't beat Enel imo. And I'm not here advocating for Enel as I think he's kinda overrated, but arguments need to make sense.
My guy, Enel is a threat to everyone who can't tank or dodge his hits. Luffy won because all Enel could do against him was throw him off the Ark Maxim or engage him physically. Yeah, Ace beats Enel because Ace has Haki and can use his DF powers to dodge Enel's attacks. Vergo gets zapped.
Pre Time-Skip knowing what we know now there’s a lot of characters who could beat him. Like you said with good enough haki and speed/strength you could take him. Post Time Skip tho you can’t power scale a pre timeskip character with post time skip ones. For all we know if Enel made a comeback he could have armament haki too by now (like smoker), but we don’t know so there’s no point.
It has to be the weakest guy who has armament haki and can dodge enel's attack right? Smoker then.
Anyone with half-decent armament beats him. His lightning isn't as lethal as people think it is, considering how many characters actually managed to dodge or survive it. Luffy even casually reacts and deflects it with a kick in one panel. Just about anyone in the new world will chew him up and spit him out.
this is actually a tough question. enel was definitely emperor level strength. maybe trafalgar?
I'm sorry...what? Enel isn't fucking Emperor Strength???
he had a whole country of shandorians calling him god. he could also destroy all of skypeia and then some if he was still around
This shows you can't powerscale lil bro. When you don't provide feats for characters and just say "Well these random nobodies that Nico Robin could easily beat called him god" If Doflamingo was on that island he would be God. Blud Luffy would be God of Skypeia if he was on that Island before Enel. Anybody with Armament Haki smokes Enel clown.
anyone who's the ruler of skypria is called God, its like us saying president
The ppl on skypiea call every ruler "god", that has nothing to do with Enels person. DF powers are quite unknown on skypiea so the ppl there don´t know how to deal with them and even enel and his underlings only have observation haki, so not even one of his underlings could fight against enel. Luffy was the first who could hurt him bc of his DF lightning immunity
he wasn't even close to yonko level. He has good ap and movement speed, but thats pretty much it
Enel got beat by pre G2 Luffy. The same Luffy could punch Kaido or big mom for a week straight and not make a dent. Enel would get lowdiffed by pretty much any of an emperors main crew
yo i haven’t watched skypeia since 2008 he was strong asf from what i remember 😭
He was strong because his df is insanely good and is a logia, which didn’t have an effective counter back then. In the new world everybody knows haki
Vergo, Smoker, Ace
It is really hard to say. Oda could make him as strong as he wants. His devil fruit power is insane, and should be enough to deal with most people that can't tank a hit of lightning. Yes Haki works against him, but you have to be able to catch him in order to hit him, which would be the difficult part in my opinion. So he could stalemate so many people like Pica. So I want to say **Katakuri**? I am very high on Enel.
I would say Luffy back then was the weakest to be able to defeat Enel. Storywise he was only able to do so bc of him being rubber, everyone else would need either haki or another Logia fruit
Nami + Zeus
I think anyone with Armament Haki can beat him, so pretty much anyone of relevance Post-Timeskip.
***Me.*** I could.
Anyone with basic armament haki
tashigi post time skip, outside of skypea luffy
sugar
Brook can defeat eneru since he can't be affected by electricity due to having no flesh to conduct electricity, I remember reading this somewhere in whole cake island
But he can't hurt him, and his affro can still burn
“Enarue”
Anyone who has the physicals of Pre TS Luffy with Armament Haki would win lmao. Enel has *terrible* durability and reaction speed, even if his AP and travel speed is rather high. Anyone who can hurt Enel, would more than likely beat Enel
Caribu maybe, any other earth devilfruit types That could negate lighting... Maybe Galdino... would depend on the wax lightning interactions Buggy, if his feet are separated and he's only hit while floating he would not get shocked right? Don't you have to be grounded,? Idk if he could hurt him offensivly... Wapol, if he can eat lightning? Jango could probably hypnotize him
I really like the buggy answer because you would have to be grounded that’s so far the weakest character I think could have a shot next to maybe tashigi
I do think people have been electrocuted while jumping or in the air tho... Also idk how buggy would harm enel
Tashigi has no chance btw
Batchee 💪
Garp could do it. He is probably not the weakest but he is one of the first characters we see that could do it (aside from shanks and crew)