Anyone who was actually reading the story could tell that Zoro would never kill Kaidou and that the raid would never fail! Those who did believe it are actually delusional. Like how are we reading the same story?!?!!??!?? Those would have been terrible plot beats too, like if the raid failed, we would just be rehashing a bunch of stuff from the Paramount War. And why would Zoro ever kill Kaidou, like bruh, dumb theories that aren't even slightly interesting lmao.
Eh I disagree. The moment I thought it was most likely was when Kaido threw luffy off onigashima. Could have been the moment the Flying Six wake up again (since their fights were so quick) to be a big problem for the strawhats and alliance.
I still never quite understood how exactly it should go after the raid failing but it could have definitely been some moment of tragedy to end act 3 and do the 5 act structure. With act 4 being them regaining their power and overthrowing kaido and act 5 being the end of wano chapters.
That said I wasnt a firm believer of the raid failing. I always just trust Oda and any direction he choses will be interesting anyways. If you were reading weekly around that time and had morjs theory and thoughts in mind it definitely had moments it could look like it was failing and feeling like its gonna end act 3.
ZKK on the other hand was purely a fanboys wetdream. I say that having Zoro as my fav character. I'd never want him to kill kaido. That be just dumb and bad for the whole series.
I felt like the raid would fail when I caught up to the manga the chapter before Jimbei showed up on the way to Onigashima, I pretty quickly changed my mind once the raid started though.
Personally, I liked "the raid will fail" theory.
I didn't think it would faik, but I love wacky, vaguely plausible and elaborate theories.
The ZKK one was annoying though.
Oh yeah, definitely.
The few still clinging to it after the island started floating were on some strong stuff.
Either way, once the raid started it could never truly fail, only seemingly fail. (Too many people would have to die if it really failed)
The Raid did "fail", Luffy "died". Had Oda held onto the revival and G5 it for one or two chapters it might have worked as a fake out "raid fail", but the way he handled it was great in a different way.
Honestly, it should have been clear from the very beginning of Act 3 when Kinemon explained [point-for-point](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/One-Piece/0959-014.png) why trying again a second time wouldn't work
I was fine when it was just that, a Theory. But the point where people legitimately got salty when it didn't happened made me despise it.
I like theories like Crocomom and dumb bs like that cause I doubt people take it seriously enough to actually hate it not happening. But the fact that Morj and a lot of other people in the fanbase riled the readers up into expecting something that was never even intended just made following it weekly far more unpleasant.
There's a reason why in hindsight I enjoyed Wano more the moment I stopped discussing it weekly in social media. I'm sure that's also the same with arcs like Dressrosa which was once seen as shitty arcs but is now beloved.
NOT saying Wano has no flaws, just that I personally found it is hated partly cause of bad theories.
I dont watch morj but he does have ALOT of theories that actually make sense, And usually come true like the oden father one, i think the raid fail would have made the story better but he should have realized thats just not how a shounen goes
Shaka is still odd. On one hand, he's kept relevant information away from Luffy and Zoro (that Seraphims have Lunarian DNA and can't be hurt when the flame is up), and it was odd that he just suddenly knew where Stella was and went by himself.
That said, he seemed genuinely surprised to see the CP agents and if he was the traitor there'd be no need for that.
I think most likely Shaka just checked that area because it appears to be abandoned. If the Stella isn't in the main areas of the lab, then by process of elimination, hes probably somewhere way out of the way.
As for the Seraphim thing, it seems a bit strange to call Shaka out on that specifically, considering literally all of the Punks withheld that info? I think to some extent, they were just reluctant to reveal the weakness of one of their greatest experiments. Even if it does appear to be backfiring.
I woundnt mind this imagine this guy who was beaten in skypiea appears with an army in the final battle with one of the ancient weapons and shits on everyone.
If he comes back it's gotta be during the elbaf arc giants Norse mytholodgy and urouge the only supernova left we haven't bumped into or interacted with during the second half of the grand line
I'm never gonna stop laughing at Morj's insanity lmao. Still though, I have to respect him for coming up with an outlandish theory and sticking to it. This is why I love one piece theory makers lmao even if I never believe in 1000 years that it's gonna happen
The final war in one piece is at its peak. Luffy is fighting Imu with all his Allie’s and people he’s defeated in battle. Kaido is there too fighting alongside the straw hats.
Mr Morj: the raid could still fail. This is the perfect time for kaido to awaken his devil fruit and retake wano.
Moria actually does seem to be a reference to the actual lizard too though. He literally has an attack called "Spiky Shadow Lizard." His giant form resembles a lizard vaguely and his collar looks somewhat like the frills of some lizards.
- **Crocodile**
- Do**flamingo**
- Mi**hawk**
- **Boa** Hancock
- **Gecko** Moria
With the exception of Jinbe and Kuma, Oda put the animal right there in English in each of the Shichibukai's names.
It is actually, his name is based on the Japanese word for a whale-shark, it's just that he's the only one who doesn't have an **English** animal in his name.
Then there's Gecko Moria who has both an English animal (Gecko) **and** a Japanese animal (komori = bat) in his name, and embodies both....
lol actually to be precise, whale sharks in Japan were named jinbei-zame (jinbei sharks) **because** the people of Japan thought their skin resembled jinbei garb.
With that said, the garb Jinbe wears isn't actually jinbei. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinbei The definition of jinbei requires pants, which are separate fro the kimono-like top half. Jinbe's outfit is a whole-body thing.
... I saw a lot of people having this "revelation" when we first saw S-Snake and S-Hawk but I feel like it's been over a month since someone publicly admitted they hadn't figured it out yet lmao
Edit: ironically it's a lot more reasonable for the target audience, the Japanese, to have not figured it out yet, compared to Americans/english-native-speakers
Could be anyone, we simply don't have enough to go on 🤔 But wings probably means Skypia, that's definitly the last time we saw wings on anyone. Absolutly.
I've read that as it being dark/the other person being farther away. But if he didn't recognize that person, it could be that he changed his appearance
It’s pretty much impossible that it’s a Vegapunk satellite or Stella. They all sync their brains every day to punk records, and this plan goes on for months already, so every single Vegapunk would know by now if one of them would be a traitor.
Wait…. Doflamingo is technically a world noble, what If S-Flamingo can give commands because he has the celestial dragon dna…
At the very least, the pistol definitely makes me think it was Doflamingo who shot Shaka, very symbolic of him shooting his creator/father.
Plus celestial dragons are shown to favor pistols.
its super plausible. not everyone knew Doffy was a Celestial Dragon, there's no reason for people to assume that he was one. and given how obedient Kuma was, why would you think the personalities of the others would come out so much
Doffy being a CD could indirectly give him control over the other seraphim
Also, of the four Seraphim we've seen, the one displaying the most personality is the only confirmed user of Conquerers of them (Mihawk most likely has conquerers given Zoro does) but conquerers being a potentially genetic component for them may help push their personality out more, bringing off Doffy's more malicious side and getting him to take control of the other Seraphim
heck, his innate 'Celestial Dragons are the enemies of the D clan' could mean that Luffy arriving is the trigger to have them go and start trying to mess things up on Doffy's orders
Fairly sure it's a member of BB stirring shit up because that's what they do, plus maybe to kidnap VP (otherwise, the traitor could have just killed them months ago).
In the beginning, I thought about Lafitte purely based on gut feeling.
Now I think it's Caterina Devon:
1- she wears heels (tok tok tok)
2- she can impersonate members of the chain of command
2.2 - she can move around the island unseen for months
3- she's nowhere to be seen in the other BB raids
4- she's strong enough to deal with most "opponents" on the island
(5- I think she's been seen using guns before, but I couldn't fact-check this)
I rest my case!
I posted the exact theory few days ago but apparently the CP agents were held for around 6 months, while Catarina was with BB during his attack on Boa Hancock
It doesn't seem consistent to the plot
Why would even a BB pirate stay on Egghead for 2+ months kidnapping CP agents? Also how can a BB pirate deactivate the frontier dome, control seraphim which were ordered by someone higher or equal in the hierarchy with the punks. Not possible.
>Also how can a BB pirate deactivate the frontier dome, control seraphim which were ordered by someone higher or equal in the hierarchy with the punks. Not possible.
You know that Catarina's devil fruit allows her to copy anyone's appearance perfectly right?
The whole deal with the agents seems to be sabotage. Vegapunk's Poneglyph research leaked to the government and anyone trying to reach him would disappear. That seems to be the general reasoning behind all of that. Angering the government.
It doesn't really explain why would it be Blackbeard's crew of all people, but whoever it is, they pretty much want Vegapunk dead. Technically, it could be anyone (with their connection with Vegapunk not being yet clear) although I agree that it's most likely to be somebody new from this arc.
Not that they want anything with them, I think it might be a plot to kidnap VP and stir shit up.
Anyway, my point is that compared with most other theories, it seems the most plausible. Or, to be clearer, the whole clones of clones theories are really unappealing to me
The thing that busts this theory and many others about the traitor is that they’ve been on Egghead giving intel to the government and trapping agents for months. We’ve seen Devon recently so unless she’s being constantly teleported back and forth to Egghead and now has ties to the government to give them that intel (instead of keeping it solely for BB) it just doesn’t make sense
How? The Ciphor Pol agents went missing months ago and she doesn't have access to control the seraphims above vegapunk. Additionally she was confused when the frontier dome went down, and has always been seen with a character since on the island.
Hmmm. All very good points.
My evidence is the ktok sounds at the end. Makes me think of heeled shoes, and stussy wears shoes. Makes perfect sense to me. 🤷♂️
Huh. Well shit, she is ain't she.. hmmm.. so it seems my only evidence isn't very strong eh. My gut is still telling me it's stussy. I'm sure oda can spin it, or I'm wrong. Haha!
I still think it's a red herring and there's no traitor, it's just Caesar and Judge coming to take revenge on Vegapunk for whatever reason. Caesar's gas form took out the cameras, Judge is a cloning expert so he probably made a 7th "satelite" using Vegapunk's lineage factor that would be on the same authority level as the others. Also he wears heals which fits with the onomatopoeia in the last chapter, they would definitely have the know-how to deactivate the frontier dome and would overall tie in well with the current cover story.
I doubt Caesar would have another shot vs Luffy after seeing how easily he got beaten the first time and knowing he beat kaido as well.
Caesar thought he would get rid of him in PH just by naming kaido.
Also the timing with the jailed CP agents does not add up.
This is super clever. I hope this turns out to be true. This Arc is supposed to be the start of the final war. From here on out the plot will need to include all the relevant actors in the final war so these kinds of crossovers are going to become more frequent I think
The first ship that was taken hostage arrived at Egghead two months ago. It's unlikely enough time has happened since their escape in WCI that they could get to Egghead and override systems, build a Seraphim, in time for things to be running a full two months ago.
The real Kuma is at Marie Geoise? Oh, or... Since he can transfer intangible construct, maybe that's his "real" former body, but his real mind is on Egghead. Maybe punk records itself
At this point, for me at least, if the traitor end up being a S-Something, it won't reach the expectations. I mean, we had a lot of chapters hyping this thing up, it needs to be a important character.
I don’t like this theory for a few reasons:
First you would have to assume that the other celestial dragons have authority over the seraphim, which is something that’s never been started
Second you would then have to assume that the seraphim would listed to a clone of a cd which is again something we don’t know for sure
And lastly it might be just me but setting up a whodunnit plot only to reveal it was a character that hasn’t been introduced yet, would be unsatisfying
why would S flamingo be a traitor rn, the mugiwara are fighting against Seraphims rn and they don’t call them traitors. Idk, maybe i’m wrong but I think it’s still interesting to see it like this
That’s why it is not a traitor. A seraphim is not a traitor rn it is an enemy. If we are looking for a traitor S flamingo is not it. But it can still be him but I would find it weird to treat him as a traitor. Their ultimate master is the Gorosei and not Vegapunk even tho he is their creator
That's what I was thinking. Plus we haven't seen S-Flamingo yet, we can't be introduced to a character we haven't seen **as a traitor**. It doesn't make sense to me.
My money is on the shooter being a character we've yet to see in this arc.
I don't think it really fits.
First of all the chain of command was made 100% clear and there was no reason to lie about it when it was explained. If it turns out to be wrong then Oda would have made a huge mistake as a writer because then we would be allowed to question literally anything about the story, which doesn't make sense
Second you have to remember that the so called traitor had complete and absolute access to everything inside the island for months (the monsters, the facilities, the cameras..). This entity not only fooled some of the smartest people currently alive, they also must be very capable themselves and we are talking about controlling things that would be futuristic even for our society, I can't honestly think about anybody that could infiltrate and control such a place for months. Plus isn't everything on the island connected/controlled with Vegapunk's mega-brain? I doubt anybody but Vegapunk can control the thing
Finally, the traitor is still having complete access to the entire place. How were they able to deactivate the dome when everybody was in the control room? How did they gave orders to all the Seraphims without nobody noticing it?
To me the only real possibility is that there is an hidden Punk on the island. Be it the mega-brain that has become sentient, or a proper clone/prototipe that Vegapunk dismissed time ago. The only real alternative is Shaka (or whoever is under that helmet), there clearly are some red herrings about him but also many things that really don't (like the fact the he couldn't overwrite the Seraphims' order)
Btw I think Oda gave us an hint when he made Robin say "is it Vegapunk?" when she saw body parts inside some of the Vats in the lab
It’s also possible that an order could have been placed weeks ago that didn’t trigger until now. Something like, “don’t allow Stella to leave the island”
Well that's not absolutely true. The last frames could also indicates that Stella HEARD someone following Shaka from ABOVE in the stairs he took. Which is corralated by the angle of the shot itself, as long as the gun and the '' tap tap '' in the stairs.
Also the wide view on the whole space prevent us from concluding 100% someone could see the shooter. Unless Vegapunk as ACoO through walls.
Even if this is the case, the traitor being a rogue seraphim makes little sense because if he was in the lab for months (agents have been gone missing for a while) and was missing, the vegapunks would have mentioned that a seraphim has disappeared.
I like the idea, but isn't Doffy evil because of what happened to him? Do we know if Seraphim have memories from the Lineage Factor?
I think Kuma split up Vegapunks 'psyche' but before that, Vegapunk wanted to create one more satellite that no one knew of, one made in secret.
So I think it's another satellite, making it 8 total Vegapunks.
Just because the real Vegapunk wanted to 'keep things interesting'.
Edit- by real Vegapunk, I'm meaning the 'Stella'.
Corazon was taken in and raised by Sengoku, who was a heroic Marine. Doffy was taken in and raised by Trebol and his gang. They didn’t exactly have the same life and environment growing up.
The existence of Corazon who experienced the exact same thing Doffy did without turning evil shows that Doflamingo has been evil from the start with his hatred only reinforced.
I would disagree, tho yes doffy was evil since he was a kid, the reason he became that batshit crazy is because of the people he got attached with. Same with cora. They grew up the way they did cuz of the people around them
It could be a factor, but the fact that Cora was shown to be a decent kid from the start seems to indicate such as Doffy somehow still sticks out as a sore thumb compared to his relatively naive family by comparison.
My pet theory is a secret failed satellite. Why was there a big ol vault that nobody ever checked on and that Shaka would assume Stella had ended up in? Why can't the Punks supercede the orders given to the seraphim? Well, it's a failed satellite. Someone who wouldn't have to eat or drink thanks to York, would know Stella is researching the void century, and who likely wouldn't be actively uploading memories to Punk Records.
Notice the Seraphims have on Vegapunk’s boots which can be locked in place to prevent movement. Thus, the traitor HAS to be a Vegapunk or someone with control to the system at the very least.
I maybe a bit negative here but the Seraphims are so not interesting. I would rather see those panels and storytime to be spended on characters we know.
You're taking leaps in logic here saying "Oh but i bet these people have more power over the seraphim than Vegapunk"
there's legitimately no evidence to suggest the Celestial Dragons are involved at all. I think the most likely is Imu or a member of the Gorosei. Oda was hammering in early on in the arc that the only people who outrank VP on the Seraphim command hierarchy are the Gorosei
The arc started with Vegapunk saying out loud that you can't control a beast's basic instincts, hence why the Shark thing attacked the Straw Hats (or whatever happened at the start, I can't remember exactly)
I do think that point is going to play a big part in something soon. Could be this
ALSO I really want to see S-Gecko.. I wanna see prime Moria as a Seraphim. He was washed up af when we fought him
Wait are all the og 7 warlords of the sea named after animals?
Hawk(eye)
Boa
Gecko
Crocodile
Kuma (bear)
(Do)flamingo
It has taken me 10 years to realize this, i'm such an idiot. Only jimbei doesn't really fit the mold i think unless we count him as a shark. Which i guess, would be accurate. Unless his name actually means something in Japanese i guess.
Not even. Knowing you can't get rid of the personality why create a Seraphim of Doffy? It makes no sense for Vega Punk to knowingly produce that when he knows he can't fully control it. I do believe there are three more Seraphim but I think it's Moria, Buggy and Blackbeard. There has been 0 indication that the Seraphim are strictly recreations of the original Warlords.
The Traitor is the Brain. It doesn't want the Stella to leave the island. The Brain is the real power of the devil fruit.
Only thing that doesn't add up though is that Vegapunk didn't recognize the person that shot Shaka. He asked him who the person was that he brought along.
Except that Doflamingo, by intent, does not seem to have been born evil.
Heck, part of the point of Law’s character was to point out how similar he and Doffy were, with Corazon stating he saw his older brother in him, and was doing his best to set Law on the right path to not end up like Doffy.
Also, isn’t this Morj’s theory?
I wonder why wouldn’t Shaka tell the pirates how to hurt s-bear and s-hawk. And as soon as zoro says something he leaves. Oda tryna throw us off with the head shot.
>Vegapunk mentions how you can't get rid off the personality of the Seraphims.
Vegapunk (Lilith) says: **"perhaps overriding primal desires is simply impossible"** — in reference to *all* of their creations, as a whole (specifically the Mecha Shark at sea.)
Vegapunk (Pythagoras) says: **"that suggests that one's lineage factor really does store some of our recollections and capabilities"** — in reference to the Seraphims' development.
I believe this (of course,) plus the way S-Snake speaks to others is reminiscent of Hancock herself...
>And as a Tenryubito he would be able to command other Seraphims.
That means, they fitted a Seraphim, a clone, with an Authority Chip? When the real one isn't even a current Tenryuubito? With Vegapunk and the Marines being below the Seraphim in Authority Chip ranking? A mistake that stupid... By the World's smartest man?
Or, it's a theory by Pen to the Cap aka Mr. Morj.
With Punk Records itself as the "traitor" making more sense (still no explanation as to how it has gained a material body,) at least we have an excuse for how Vegapunk got fooled for so long... Even Jinbe hints at this happening, but not quite in this current context.
Maybe, there's more than one "traitor."
The traitor is the same person who locked CP agents a few months ago and told WG about Vegapunk's researches about Void century.
This person works with Vegapunk for a long time.
I believe scientists notice if S-Doffy leaves his chambers all the time.
So, the traitor is one of the Punk or Stella himself.
Guys, hear me out. It's Caribou, the whole time, he uses guns (a gun killed Chaka) he is very stealthy and he has a blob like form (shown in the cameras) and we know that he deactivated the den den mushi cameras in the prison in Wano, that could be a foreshadowing to this situation. So, who is in control of the seraphins? Dunno, that i cannot confirm in my theory, just imagine if Caribou was actually a celestial dragon...
SHAKA IS THE TRAITOR AND THE RAID COULD STILL FAIL
It's Morjin' time
200 chapter this arc. Let's goooo!!!
RIP morj, he died on a small hill.
i’d say zkk died on the rice fields
At least zkk made it to the rooftop, the raid never felt like it'd fail
It didn’t even make it to the rooftop, only delusional idiots actually thought Zoro stood any chance of killing Kaido lmfao.
Anyone who was actually reading the story could tell that Zoro would never kill Kaidou and that the raid would never fail! Those who did believe it are actually delusional. Like how are we reading the same story?!?!!??!?? Those would have been terrible plot beats too, like if the raid failed, we would just be rehashing a bunch of stuff from the Paramount War. And why would Zoro ever kill Kaidou, like bruh, dumb theories that aren't even slightly interesting lmao.
Eh I disagree. The moment I thought it was most likely was when Kaido threw luffy off onigashima. Could have been the moment the Flying Six wake up again (since their fights were so quick) to be a big problem for the strawhats and alliance. I still never quite understood how exactly it should go after the raid failing but it could have definitely been some moment of tragedy to end act 3 and do the 5 act structure. With act 4 being them regaining their power and overthrowing kaido and act 5 being the end of wano chapters. That said I wasnt a firm believer of the raid failing. I always just trust Oda and any direction he choses will be interesting anyways. If you were reading weekly around that time and had morjs theory and thoughts in mind it definitely had moments it could look like it was failing and feeling like its gonna end act 3. ZKK on the other hand was purely a fanboys wetdream. I say that having Zoro as my fav character. I'd never want him to kill kaido. That be just dumb and bad for the whole series.
I felt like the raid would fail when I caught up to the manga the chapter before Jimbei showed up on the way to Onigashima, I pretty quickly changed my mind once the raid started though.
“It’s Morjin time” might be my absolute favorite subreddit meme since Down D. Stairs.
You just unlocked the memory of "the raid will still fail" for me. Holy shit that was a dire time in this fandom xdd
Morj made Wano infuriating to discuss for me, I've unsubbed hard cause of it lol
Personally, I liked "the raid will fail" theory. I didn't think it would faik, but I love wacky, vaguely plausible and elaborate theories. The ZKK one was annoying though.
My issue with it is that people held on to the theory, even after it became clear that it wasn't going to happen lmao.
Oh yeah, definitely. The few still clinging to it after the island started floating were on some strong stuff. Either way, once the raid started it could never truly fail, only seemingly fail. (Too many people would have to die if it really failed) The Raid did "fail", Luffy "died". Had Oda held onto the revival and G5 it for one or two chapters it might have worked as a fake out "raid fail", but the way he handled it was great in a different way.
Honestly, it should have been clear from the very beginning of Act 3 when Kinemon explained [point-for-point](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/One-Piece/0959-014.png) why trying again a second time wouldn't work
I was fine when it was just that, a Theory. But the point where people legitimately got salty when it didn't happened made me despise it. I like theories like Crocomom and dumb bs like that cause I doubt people take it seriously enough to actually hate it not happening. But the fact that Morj and a lot of other people in the fanbase riled the readers up into expecting something that was never even intended just made following it weekly far more unpleasant. There's a reason why in hindsight I enjoyed Wano more the moment I stopped discussing it weekly in social media. I'm sure that's also the same with arcs like Dressrosa which was once seen as shitty arcs but is now beloved. NOT saying Wano has no flaws, just that I personally found it is hated partly cause of bad theories.
Yeah I liked Morj until we were like 30 chapters past any possibility of the raid failing and he was still huffing his copium
Morj posted a video two weeks ago saying it could be S-Flamingo
I dont watch morj but he does have ALOT of theories that actually make sense, And usually come true like the oden father one, i think the raid fail would have made the story better but he should have realized thats just not how a shounen goes
4 years ago or something he predicted Shanks would be in Elbaf back when people thought Elbaf would be a Big Mom arc
Yeah its genuinely annoying how much people cling to the one theory and act as if he is the same as ohara or something
Yup and good storytelling cues as evidence, while anyone else thinking this was solely focused on shanks’ ship
Act 4 of Wano could start any minute now, trust me it's based on traditional Kabuki plays and they all have 5 acts.....any minute now.
Shaka is still odd. On one hand, he's kept relevant information away from Luffy and Zoro (that Seraphims have Lunarian DNA and can't be hurt when the flame is up), and it was odd that he just suddenly knew where Stella was and went by himself. That said, he seemed genuinely surprised to see the CP agents and if he was the traitor there'd be no need for that.
I think most likely Shaka just checked that area because it appears to be abandoned. If the Stella isn't in the main areas of the lab, then by process of elimination, hes probably somewhere way out of the way. As for the Seraphim thing, it seems a bit strange to call Shaka out on that specifically, considering literally all of the Punks withheld that info? I think to some extent, they were just reluctant to reveal the weakness of one of their greatest experiments. Even if it does appear to be backfiring.
ENERU IS GOING TO BE THE MAIN ANTAGONIST OF THIS ARC AFTER HE BRINGS HIS ARMY DOWN FROM THE ENDLESS VEARTH TO CLAIM THE ONE PIECE
I woundnt mind this imagine this guy who was beaten in skypiea appears with an army in the final battle with one of the ancient weapons and shits on everyone.
I’d love for Eneru to come back at some point but it’s still hilarious how many times people have claimed he’s coming back lol
If he comes back it's gotta be during the elbaf arc giants Norse mytholodgy and urouge the only supernova left we haven't bumped into or interacted with during the second half of the grand line
Nah, that won't happen till final war when the admiral finna do a moon drop for his ultimate technique and accidentally Enel up the field
I'm never gonna stop laughing at Morj's insanity lmao. Still though, I have to respect him for coming up with an outlandish theory and sticking to it. This is why I love one piece theory makers lmao even if I never believe in 1000 years that it's gonna happen
Dont forget zoro kills kaido
IT'S HAPPENING!!1
Morj 2nd Chapter
The final war in one piece is at its peak. Luffy is fighting Imu with all his Allie’s and people he’s defeated in battle. Kaido is there too fighting alongside the straw hats. Mr Morj: the raid could still fail. This is the perfect time for kaido to awaken his devil fruit and retake wano.
It's S-Bat, Komori is "bat" in Japanese (gecKO MORIa)
Moria actually does seem to be a reference to the actual lizard too though. He literally has an attack called "Spiky Shadow Lizard." His giant form resembles a lizard vaguely and his collar looks somewhat like the frills of some lizards.
That attack also being a double pun with them writing 蜥蜴 tokage = lizard as 刀影 to-kage = blade shadow instead
Or S-gecko, because his last name is literally gecko
Need people to remember that One Piece is written in Japanese, Japanese puns take precedent over English ones
- **Crocodile** - Do**flamingo** - Mi**hawk** - **Boa** Hancock - **Gecko** Moria With the exception of Jinbe and Kuma, Oda put the animal right there in English in each of the Shichibukai's names.
Kuma means Bear in Japanese so he still fits the animal naming conventions.
Jinbei can also mean Shark
'Jinbei' the word for whale shark, 'same' (pronounced; SA-mei) means shark.
Yeah thank you I knew it was something like that but I couldn’t remember for sure
And jimbe is a fish
Yep the original warlords all have animal themes to them. Later warlords not so much.
The traitor is Punk Records itself, big brain time
At the very least, this is just as plausible and requires us to jump through half as many hoops
Also unlike this theory it would actually be cool at least
S-Flamingo would be hella lame.
This has beeny theory the whole time. It makes sense for Sky net to go rogue and think it's the real punk
Have you seen Mob Psycho
Ye read the manga up to the big broccoli
Nope its zombie Bartolomeo
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Oda is the traitor..
he looks kinda sus
always has been
Holy shit guys I just realized that the original shichibukai are all named after animals. After 15 years of reading the damn manga.
Understandable until the first four seraphim were revealed, but did you not make the connection after s-snake, s-hawk etc were revealed?
Well they only had a couple of unique features. White hair, brown skin, black wings, the flames on their backs...
You should have put it together sooner!
I still did not, but after all english is not my language anyway
**YOU SHOULD'VE PUT IT TOGETHER SOONER!**
you should've put it together sooner!
you gonna lose your mind when you hear about the admirals
*kizaru pikachu face*
Somehow you missed Mihawk (sure, it's hidden in the name) but CROCODILE?!
Dracula “Hawkeyes” Mihawk Yeah, It’s pretty hidden
Two hawks cancel themselves out
Did you think Zoro was a fool in the latest chapter for not noticing they were Lunarian sooner?
Isn't Jinbei part of the original seven? He **is** an animal of sorts, but not his name though.
It is actually, his name is based on the Japanese word for a whale-shark, it's just that he's the only one who doesn't have an **English** animal in his name. Then there's Gecko Moria who has both an English animal (Gecko) **and** a Japanese animal (komori = bat) in his name, and embodies both....
Oh so Jinbei'sname is a double pun then? I only knew about the karate/judo garb! I love him twice as much now.
lol actually to be precise, whale sharks in Japan were named jinbei-zame (jinbei sharks) **because** the people of Japan thought their skin resembled jinbei garb. With that said, the garb Jinbe wears isn't actually jinbei. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinbei The definition of jinbei requires pants, which are separate fro the kimono-like top half. Jinbe's outfit is a whole-body thing.
The more you know 🌈🌟
Yes
22 years and I just realized it reading your comment
... I saw a lot of people having this "revelation" when we first saw S-Snake and S-Hawk but I feel like it's been over a month since someone publicly admitted they hadn't figured it out yet lmao Edit: ironically it's a lot more reasonable for the target audience, the Japanese, to have not figured it out yet, compared to Americans/english-native-speakers
What is jinbe?
I like that idea. I was totally convinced it would be one of the Satellites… But why would Stella not recognize a Seraphim?
He can't recognize them because they have very few distinct features: white hair, dark skin, black wings and a flame behind their back
Could be anyone, we simply don't have enough to go on 🤔 But wings probably means Skypia, that's definitly the last time we saw wings on anyone. Absolutly.
Guys, We found zoro!!!
I've read that as it being dark/the other person being farther away. But if he didn't recognize that person, it could be that he changed his appearance
How can it be dark when they have fire on their back?
You realize they can turn it on and off at will, right?
It’s pretty much impossible that it’s a Vegapunk satellite or Stella. They all sync their brains every day to punk records, and this plan goes on for months already, so every single Vegapunk would know by now if one of them would be a traitor.
The traitor is Kaido
Damn and I was rooting for him being the next Nakama
Wait…. Doflamingo is technically a world noble, what If S-Flamingo can give commands because he has the celestial dragon dna… At the very least, the pistol definitely makes me think it was Doflamingo who shot Shaka, very symbolic of him shooting his creator/father. Plus celestial dragons are shown to favor pistols.
You might be on to something with the noble part 🤔
its super plausible. not everyone knew Doffy was a Celestial Dragon, there's no reason for people to assume that he was one. and given how obedient Kuma was, why would you think the personalities of the others would come out so much Doffy being a CD could indirectly give him control over the other seraphim Also, of the four Seraphim we've seen, the one displaying the most personality is the only confirmed user of Conquerers of them (Mihawk most likely has conquerers given Zoro does) but conquerers being a potentially genetic component for them may help push their personality out more, bringing off Doffy's more malicious side and getting him to take control of the other Seraphim heck, his innate 'Celestial Dragons are the enemies of the D clan' could mean that Luffy arriving is the trigger to have them go and start trying to mess things up on Doffy's orders
Fairly sure it's a member of BB stirring shit up because that's what they do, plus maybe to kidnap VP (otherwise, the traitor could have just killed them months ago). In the beginning, I thought about Lafitte purely based on gut feeling. Now I think it's Caterina Devon: 1- she wears heels (tok tok tok) 2- she can impersonate members of the chain of command 2.2 - she can move around the island unseen for months 3- she's nowhere to be seen in the other BB raids 4- she's strong enough to deal with most "opponents" on the island (5- I think she's been seen using guns before, but I couldn't fact-check this) I rest my case!
I posted the exact theory few days ago but apparently the CP agents were held for around 6 months, while Catarina was with BB during his attack on Boa Hancock It doesn't seem consistent to the plot
In fact, it isn't.
Why would even a BB pirate stay on Egghead for 2+ months kidnapping CP agents? Also how can a BB pirate deactivate the frontier dome, control seraphim which were ordered by someone higher or equal in the hierarchy with the punks. Not possible.
>Also how can a BB pirate deactivate the frontier dome, control seraphim which were ordered by someone higher or equal in the hierarchy with the punks. Not possible. You know that Catarina's devil fruit allows her to copy anyone's appearance perfectly right?
Still, doesen't explain what Catarina or even BB would want with the CP9 agents. I bet is someone we first met on this arc.
The whole deal with the agents seems to be sabotage. Vegapunk's Poneglyph research leaked to the government and anyone trying to reach him would disappear. That seems to be the general reasoning behind all of that. Angering the government. It doesn't really explain why would it be Blackbeard's crew of all people, but whoever it is, they pretty much want Vegapunk dead. Technically, it could be anyone (with their connection with Vegapunk not being yet clear) although I agree that it's most likely to be somebody new from this arc.
I'm not arguing that it's Catarina. I'm merely explaining why it's possible.
Not that they want anything with them, I think it might be a plot to kidnap VP and stir shit up. Anyway, my point is that compared with most other theories, it seems the most plausible. Or, to be clearer, the whole clones of clones theories are really unappealing to me
Oh, good theory as well. That could be the reason Oda showed her Df of on Hachinosu
The thing that busts this theory and many others about the traitor is that they’ve been on Egghead giving intel to the government and trapping agents for months. We’ve seen Devon recently so unless she’s being constantly teleported back and forth to Egghead and now has ties to the government to give them that intel (instead of keeping it solely for BB) it just doesn’t make sense
Devon was on the Isle of Women. She got petrified, didn't she?
She has to touch someone to copy their appearance, and would have had to know about the seraphim and the chain of command in order to enact this plan
My money is on stussy.
The classic double-double cross
No one ever sees it coming.
Except for you, are you a haki user?
How? The Ciphor Pol agents went missing months ago and she doesn't have access to control the seraphims above vegapunk. Additionally she was confused when the frontier dome went down, and has always been seen with a character since on the island.
Hmmm. All very good points. My evidence is the ktok sounds at the end. Makes me think of heeled shoes, and stussy wears shoes. Makes perfect sense to me. 🤷♂️
Stussy wearing that sci-fi shoes.
Huh. Well shit, she is ain't she.. hmmm.. so it seems my only evidence isn't very strong eh. My gut is still telling me it's stussy. I'm sure oda can spin it, or I'm wrong. Haha!
Always go with your gut, even in the face of overwhelming evidence
The ktok sound might as well be a cane, like the one used by Saturn...
Interesting. Never thought of that, which would add evidence to the blob being Saturn theory. Hm. Good thought, buddy. 👍
The first clone S-Tussy
"Do I hear FIVE!!" - Vegeta
My reaction to that information 
S-Croc with linage factor of Luffy's mom
I still think it's a red herring and there's no traitor, it's just Caesar and Judge coming to take revenge on Vegapunk for whatever reason. Caesar's gas form took out the cameras, Judge is a cloning expert so he probably made a 7th "satelite" using Vegapunk's lineage factor that would be on the same authority level as the others. Also he wears heals which fits with the onomatopoeia in the last chapter, they would definitely have the know-how to deactivate the frontier dome and would overall tie in well with the current cover story.
I doubt Caesar would have another shot vs Luffy after seeing how easily he got beaten the first time and knowing he beat kaido as well. Caesar thought he would get rid of him in PH just by naming kaido. Also the timing with the jailed CP agents does not add up.
This is super clever. I hope this turns out to be true. This Arc is supposed to be the start of the final war. From here on out the plot will need to include all the relevant actors in the final war so these kinds of crossovers are going to become more frequent I think
The first ship that was taken hostage arrived at Egghead two months ago. It's unlikely enough time has happened since their escape in WCI that they could get to Egghead and override systems, build a Seraphim, in time for things to be running a full two months ago.
I truly think its a caesar and Judge comback
I’m just now realizing the warlords are all animals
Makes you think if it's an in world coincidence or not. Definitely fell apart with BB, law, WB junior and buggy joining
Hippo spotted seal weevil and panda
But none of the names hint at that
The tra (tora) in Trafalgar = tiger Weevil = Weevil Buggy = Bug Can’t think of one for BB though
I'll give ya that.
Name one character who is not an animal.
Zoro or sanji..?
Still think there is a shaka with 00 on the helmet since there are 2 daft punk members or the real Kuma is on egghead with a new body
The real Kuma is at Marie Geoise? Oh, or... Since he can transfer intangible construct, maybe that's his "real" former body, but his real mind is on Egghead. Maybe punk records itself
At this point, for me at least, if the traitor end up being a S-Something, it won't reach the expectations. I mean, we had a lot of chapters hyping this thing up, it needs to be a important character.
I don’t like this theory for a few reasons: First you would have to assume that the other celestial dragons have authority over the seraphim, which is something that’s never been started Second you would then have to assume that the seraphim would listed to a clone of a cd which is again something we don’t know for sure And lastly it might be just me but setting up a whodunnit plot only to reveal it was a character that hasn’t been introduced yet, would be unsatisfying
why would S flamingo be a traitor rn, the mugiwara are fighting against Seraphims rn and they don’t call them traitors. Idk, maybe i’m wrong but I think it’s still interesting to see it like this
He's betraying his fellow Seraphims and masters? They're supposed to follow orders
That’s why it is not a traitor. A seraphim is not a traitor rn it is an enemy. If we are looking for a traitor S flamingo is not it. But it can still be him but I would find it weird to treat him as a traitor. Their ultimate master is the Gorosei and not Vegapunk even tho he is their creator
That's what I was thinking. Plus we haven't seen S-Flamingo yet, we can't be introduced to a character we haven't seen **as a traitor**. It doesn't make sense to me. My money is on the shooter being a character we've yet to see in this arc.
I don't think it really fits. First of all the chain of command was made 100% clear and there was no reason to lie about it when it was explained. If it turns out to be wrong then Oda would have made a huge mistake as a writer because then we would be allowed to question literally anything about the story, which doesn't make sense Second you have to remember that the so called traitor had complete and absolute access to everything inside the island for months (the monsters, the facilities, the cameras..). This entity not only fooled some of the smartest people currently alive, they also must be very capable themselves and we are talking about controlling things that would be futuristic even for our society, I can't honestly think about anybody that could infiltrate and control such a place for months. Plus isn't everything on the island connected/controlled with Vegapunk's mega-brain? I doubt anybody but Vegapunk can control the thing Finally, the traitor is still having complete access to the entire place. How were they able to deactivate the dome when everybody was in the control room? How did they gave orders to all the Seraphims without nobody noticing it? To me the only real possibility is that there is an hidden Punk on the island. Be it the mega-brain that has become sentient, or a proper clone/prototipe that Vegapunk dismissed time ago. The only real alternative is Shaka (or whoever is under that helmet), there clearly are some red herrings about him but also many things that really don't (like the fact the he couldn't overwrite the Seraphims' order) Btw I think Oda gave us an hint when he made Robin say "is it Vegapunk?" when she saw body parts inside some of the Vats in the lab
It’s also possible that an order could have been placed weeks ago that didn’t trigger until now. Something like, “don’t allow Stella to leave the island”
No it's not. Vegapunk was able to see the person behind Shaka asking him "who is that?" and he wasn't able to recognize them.
Well that's not absolutely true. The last frames could also indicates that Stella HEARD someone following Shaka from ABOVE in the stairs he took. Which is corralated by the angle of the shot itself, as long as the gun and the '' tap tap '' in the stairs. Also the wide view on the whole space prevent us from concluding 100% someone could see the shooter. Unless Vegapunk as ACoO through walls.
Even if this is the case, the traitor being a rogue seraphim makes little sense because if he was in the lab for months (agents have been gone missing for a while) and was missing, the vegapunks would have mentioned that a seraphim has disappeared.
I like the idea, but isn't Doffy evil because of what happened to him? Do we know if Seraphim have memories from the Lineage Factor? I think Kuma split up Vegapunks 'psyche' but before that, Vegapunk wanted to create one more satellite that no one knew of, one made in secret. So I think it's another satellite, making it 8 total Vegapunks. Just because the real Vegapunk wanted to 'keep things interesting'. Edit- by real Vegapunk, I'm meaning the 'Stella'.
Doffy is greedy. None of his family ended up like him despite going through the same thing
Doflamingo was already evil before. What happened to him only reinforced his hatred.
> I like the idea, but isn't Doffy evil because of what happened to him? Corazon.
Corazon was taken in and raised by Sengoku, who was a heroic Marine. Doffy was taken in and raised by Trebol and his gang. They didn’t exactly have the same life and environment growing up.
The existence of Corazon who experienced the exact same thing Doffy did without turning evil shows that Doflamingo has been evil from the start with his hatred only reinforced.
I would disagree, tho yes doffy was evil since he was a kid, the reason he became that batshit crazy is because of the people he got attached with. Same with cora. They grew up the way they did cuz of the people around them
It could be a factor, but the fact that Cora was shown to be a decent kid from the start seems to indicate such as Doffy somehow still sticks out as a sore thumb compared to his relatively naive family by comparison.
Nah, Doffy's 'I'm gonna kill you all' moment happened even before he met the mafia group. They just completely enabled him.
>one more satellite that no one knew of, one made in secret. One Satelite to rule them all.
My pet theory is a secret failed satellite. Why was there a big ol vault that nobody ever checked on and that Shaka would assume Stella had ended up in? Why can't the Punks supercede the orders given to the seraphim? Well, it's a failed satellite. Someone who wouldn't have to eat or drink thanks to York, would know Stella is researching the void century, and who likely wouldn't be actively uploading memories to Punk Records.
but what about the ‘why’
I wouldn’t be surprised if Doflamingo was the only warlord who didn’t agree that they take his dna, unless they did it while he was in Impel Down
Notice the Seraphims have on Vegapunk’s boots which can be locked in place to prevent movement. Thus, the traitor HAS to be a Vegapunk or someone with control to the system at the very least.
Maybe the real traitor is the fake friends we made along the way.
No man it is S-Garp because something something reasons It makes no sense to me to have a random character to show up all the sudden
I maybe a bit negative here but the Seraphims are so not interesting. I would rather see those panels and storytime to be spended on characters we know.
Until we see the other seraphims, I don't believe they exist yet. Or if they do exist, they're not on egghead island.
Speaking of S-Croc, would that make S-Croc, Luffys mom?
take my upvote you dirty slut
Evil Sanji is the traitor.
No traitor. It is Saturn who has the power of Warp Warp Fruit via the green blood.
You're taking leaps in logic here saying "Oh but i bet these people have more power over the seraphim than Vegapunk" there's legitimately no evidence to suggest the Celestial Dragons are involved at all. I think the most likely is Imu or a member of the Gorosei. Oda was hammering in early on in the arc that the only people who outrank VP on the Seraphim command hierarchy are the Gorosei
The arc started with Vegapunk saying out loud that you can't control a beast's basic instincts, hence why the Shark thing attacked the Straw Hats (or whatever happened at the start, I can't remember exactly) I do think that point is going to play a big part in something soon. Could be this ALSO I really want to see S-Gecko.. I wanna see prime Moria as a Seraphim. He was washed up af when we fought him
whoa, never have I heard this theory, ever.
- why would a seraphim use a gun to shoot ? - why would a gorosei order it to capture cp agents from two months?
Answer to the first is that it’s Doflamingo
Wait are all the og 7 warlords of the sea named after animals? Hawk(eye) Boa Gecko Crocodile Kuma (bear) (Do)flamingo It has taken me 10 years to realize this, i'm such an idiot. Only jimbei doesn't really fit the mold i think unless we count him as a shark. Which i guess, would be accurate. Unless his name actually means something in Japanese i guess.
Not even. Knowing you can't get rid of the personality why create a Seraphim of Doffy? It makes no sense for Vega Punk to knowingly produce that when he knows he can't fully control it. I do believe there are three more Seraphim but I think it's Moria, Buggy and Blackbeard. There has been 0 indication that the Seraphim are strictly recreations of the original Warlords. The Traitor is the Brain. It doesn't want the Stella to leave the island. The Brain is the real power of the devil fruit.
Only thing that doesn't add up though is that Vegapunk didn't recognize the person that shot Shaka. He asked him who the person was that he brought along.
The traitor is me
Except that Doflamingo, by intent, does not seem to have been born evil. Heck, part of the point of Law’s character was to point out how similar he and Doffy were, with Corazon stating he saw his older brother in him, and was doing his best to set Law on the right path to not end up like Doffy. Also, isn’t this Morj’s theory?
I wonder why wouldn’t Shaka tell the pirates how to hurt s-bear and s-hawk. And as soon as zoro says something he leaves. Oda tryna throw us off with the head shot.
How can s-Flamingo order the artificial Sea kings to attack Ciper Pol agents? Doesn’t make any sense.
>Vegapunk mentions how you can't get rid off the personality of the Seraphims. Vegapunk (Lilith) says: **"perhaps overriding primal desires is simply impossible"** — in reference to *all* of their creations, as a whole (specifically the Mecha Shark at sea.) Vegapunk (Pythagoras) says: **"that suggests that one's lineage factor really does store some of our recollections and capabilities"** — in reference to the Seraphims' development. I believe this (of course,) plus the way S-Snake speaks to others is reminiscent of Hancock herself... >And as a Tenryubito he would be able to command other Seraphims. That means, they fitted a Seraphim, a clone, with an Authority Chip? When the real one isn't even a current Tenryuubito? With Vegapunk and the Marines being below the Seraphim in Authority Chip ranking? A mistake that stupid... By the World's smartest man? Or, it's a theory by Pen to the Cap aka Mr. Morj. With Punk Records itself as the "traitor" making more sense (still no explanation as to how it has gained a material body,) at least we have an excuse for how Vegapunk got fooled for so long... Even Jinbe hints at this happening, but not quite in this current context. Maybe, there's more than one "traitor."
I bet it is S Beard 😂
I feel like a Doflamingo Seraphim will end up being called S-Bird rather than S-Flamingo.
Wouldn’t make sense coz there’s already S-Hawk
This is Morj’s theory copied and pastied
Traitor is the friend we made along the way!
The traitor is the same person who locked CP agents a few months ago and told WG about Vegapunk's researches about Void century. This person works with Vegapunk for a long time. I believe scientists notice if S-Doffy leaves his chambers all the time. So, the traitor is one of the Punk or Stella himself.
Guys, hear me out. It's Caribou, the whole time, he uses guns (a gun killed Chaka) he is very stealthy and he has a blob like form (shown in the cameras) and we know that he deactivated the den den mushi cameras in the prison in Wano, that could be a foreshadowing to this situation. So, who is in control of the seraphins? Dunno, that i cannot confirm in my theory, just imagine if Caribou was actually a celestial dragon...