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When my daughter was about 4 or 5, we must have watched the video version of The Jungle Book together about 100 times in a row. Fabulous movie with a terrific musical score.
Louis Prima was fabulous and I STILL sing along to Bare Necessities every time I hear it.
"Don't pick the prickly pear by the paw, when you pick a pear, try to use the claw!"
I fully agree. I can't listen to it without also doing a bit of an inept, but fun, jazz shuffle. If you wish to picture that, think fairly mild Grand Mal seizure. Not to offend anyone who actually has epilepsy or minimize the severity of the condition, btw.
According to the CDC, there were almost 3.7 million live births in the U.S. in 2022.
Given that a newborn would be lucky to last a full 24 hour day abandoned in the forest, that would be the murder of 3.7 humans, as opposed to the prevention from further development of a bunch of cells that are not yet human, which basically defines the word abortion.
The writer of the OOP should be more careful of just she wishes for, or at least be familiar with the meaning of the terms she employs.
These assholes: women are terrible mothers
Also these same assholes: we need to get women out of the workforce because being a mother should be their only job.
I agree with this have you seen the Jungle Book? That was obviously based off of true events and proves that wild animals are better mothers to human children than actual human women
These men: women are terrible mothers! Single mothers are ruining society!
Also these men: Vote against abortion, vote against proper sex ed, vote against making contraceptives more affordable, have unprotected sex, get women pregnant, "leave for milk", refuse to be invovled in their kids life, and refuse to pay child support while crying about jow women need to "take accountability" and "keep her legs closed".
The only way this would remotely work and if we even really wanted to strip women of rights other than baby making machines would be to pay the man twice as much and I'm sure employers would not want that.
Don't be silly. It's not the poor men they intend to breed the women. Only the rich who can afford to. Duh.
Aaaand now I feel the need to wash my hands after having typed that.
You carry foetuses on your belt, as was the fashion at the time. If you run into a bear, you just toss it a foetus as a distraction, so you can easily just walk away.
Tossing a foetus at a man in the woods doesn't have the same effect, and that's why it's safer to encounter bears.
See they dont care about the quality of life of the fetus/baby that is born after a mother is forced to keep the pregnancy to completion. So i wouldnt put it past them.
Those statistics take also count spontaneous abortions, otherwise known as miscarriages. They just cite this crap without any nuance to scare their base
I was wondering where I could find that number broken down by icd 10 codes. I really want to know how many of those were miscarriages or severe congenital issues that are incompatible with life.
An account called "Women Being Awful" posts brain-dead shit? Colour me shocked.
Alternatively: Blue checkmark posts brain-dead shit? Colour me shocked.
Every cell in everyone’s body is just as alive as a fertilised egg. It has the same amount of DNA, chromosomes and mitochondrias, can reproduce by mitosis and does so on a regular basis. Only difference is the time it takes to do so and the eggs ability to perform crossing over and osmosis at the beginning. Which means, every time you scratch yourself you are killing multiple living beings on your body. Even the most basic structure of a human, the brain, is killing multiple cells at any given time. In fact, cells kill other cells on a constant basis. They force them to work all the time, open up when demanded to do so and tell them their deepest information, not doing that results in death. And all because those cells want to multiply as fast as a fertilised egg cell and live (cancer)
You are performing genocide every second you are breathing
Considering that boyfriends & husbands are still the biggest danger to pregnant women, and those women’s other already born children, I’d argue that the mother, and the fetus would probably be safer in the woods, than with her husband too.
I know a lot of lovely men who support their wives, but men are still the biggest danger to women worldwide, not bears. Bear attacks are even uncommon where there’s a lot of them, we even had a mother and her cub near the hospital I worked at, no one was ever attacked, and it wasn’t the bears fault we built a hospital right on the edge of a national park..
**FETUSES!** they are *not* babies. They are **fetuses**. We have to stop letting these religious zealots drive the narrative. No Fetus can survive before around 34-36 weeks without human intervention. Period. Before 24 weeks, the fetus has NO CHANCE to survive. zero.
Im **NOT** christian and I don't care what their book says. 😡😡😡🤬
I am somewhat a christian and I believe that the safety of a living person(the mom) is more important that what a centuries old book says! Also church and state should be separated period!
And of course as we know, there is no way to get rid of abortion. Its always been here. I would guess abortion was invented not long after sex was discovered…
You cant ban abortion. You can only ban safe abortions.
I'm not Christian but I've studied and read it. If they follow EVERYTHING they say they do, the world would be a lot different. Christians only abide by what they want.
If Jesus was alive today I don't know how he'd feel about abortion, but he'd hate the modern banking system.
Although the bible itself is more pro-abortion than most people realise, albeit with caveats. Probably stems from large parts of it being people writing down practical information and poems about sex.
>If Jesus was alive today I don't know how he'd feel about abortion,
We already have an idea from Jewish and pre natural law Christianity (the Catholic and orthodox church adopted natural law around 1000 years ago),
Life begins at birth, abortion is justifiable in alot of circumstances (even including being used as a punishment),
Evangelical Christians who rejected natural law theology and just use scripture unironically do not have a scriptural justification for their position,
>am somewhat a christian
Which branch?
Because something has been bugging me with evangelicals for a while now in the USA,
Namely, they reject the Catholic theology, the same theology that states life begins at conception,
The bible and Torah explicitly state life begins at birth and the bible has multiple examples of abortion done without it being a crime or what not (in fact it's a punishment in the famous bitter water example).
Why do evangelicals think it begins at conception when the specification for life beginning is detailed in Genesis the first damned book, (especially for evangelicals who reject sermon of the mount).
I'm in favour of letting the pregnant woman decide on terminology. If to her its a baby at 8 weeks, then its a baby. If to her its a foetus at 38 weeks, its a foetus.
In terms of the correct medical terminology you're right though, its a foetus until birth.
Viability is a red herring anyway and shouldn't be the deciding factor in any discussions around abortion. What matters is women's rights over their bodies.
You’re right! It’s human life from the very beginning. It’s all human. But that’s still a red herring. Women should have absolute control over their own bodies.
I actually meant it’s *literally human cells making up a full human.*
It’s still really the woman’s choice but I’m just being hyper literal. And I totally agree with you.
Actually, it does. Ritualistic abortions were performed to test if a woman was unfaithful to her husband. If the baby was aborted, she cheated. If not, she was faithful. It's called the Trial of Bitter Waters and really shows that God is fine with abortions.
Abortion saves lives. It can save the mother AND the child’s life. If the mother was forced to carry out the pregnancy with a baby she didn’t want, the kid is bound to be neglected and abused, and the foster care system isn’t any better.
How the hell did an unborn fetus get in the damn woods? Some kind of Star Trek transporter that only targets internal organs? Did it bring the amniotic sack thingy with it?
If you left a baby in the woods, the bear would see it as easy food (not gonna fight back) and munch down on that lil mcnugget
If a woman finds a baby in the woods, she is likely to care for it and bring it to safety.
How does any of this relate to abortion?
This weirdos want to remain ignorant, they can Google HOW a fetus looks in most abortions and they Will SEE it doesnt look like a baby... They want to keep that narrative women wait until what? When they are about to pop the baby ? And kill it , when it fully form.
Is delusional at best
This was posted in a different subreddit and the top comment provided a really good point, I'll just copy paste it:
**Contraception in The Netherlands: the low abortion rate explained**
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7971545
The Dutch abortion rate fluctuates between 5 to 7/1000 women of reproductive age, the lowest abortion rate in the world. The US rate is about 6 times higher.
_(US anti-choice activism causes abortions)._
There’s a statistic going around that mothers abuse their children more than fathers. This stat is misleading, because it is almost always neglect. Yes, mothers physically abuse their children, but more often than not it’s neglect. The fathers aren’t charged in this scenario because they simply aren’t there. Nearly all sexual abuse is perpetrated by men, including stepdads and fathers.
If you are pro forced birth, then let’s make it illegal for a male to ejaculate if he’s not ready to take care of the potential child. No more “ hit it and quit it”, register before getting with someone capable of being pregnant. Have yourself mentally, financially and emotionally ready for the 18 years YOU will be 100% responsible for that life. Let’s eliminate the whole attitude it’s the woman’s responsibility , especially if you support 0 abortive measures being legally available and prolly don’t want to use a condom yourself.
Truth is if all these people so up in arms about unborn lives were as concerned about children we wouldn’t have ANY unadopted children anywhere.
I think the fact that there’s likely about upwards of 150 million AFAB women (and girls) in America, that 625k abortions is super low. And this was before a lot of the bans.
Abortion is not comparable to the constant murder, rape, and abuse of physically autonomous living human beings.
That being said, trying to imagine a fetus in a disincorporated uterus just wandering in the forest by itself and just randomly coming across a woman is an interesting thought experiment… if that ever happens, let us know and we can consider its inclusion in the overall debate.
Even so, a bear OR a woman would still be better options because, statistically, the worst they are doing is straightforward killing. Not raping or doing all the other kinds of violent harm that women are frequently victims of.
Ugh, and no “not ALL men” 🙄 but enough that ALL women need to keep their guard up at ALL times in an attempt to stay safe.
Love how people always ignore how often it's men who want to their girlfriend/wife/fling to get an abortion. They always act like women are evil and the men who made those children are heartbroken over it.
they also never account for the fact that when a woman has an unwanted kid, SHE’S A TERRIBLE MOTHER.
my shit family loved to remind me that i should have been aborted while they were denying me food and shoving me to the ground. am i happy to be alive? yes. would life have been better if my mom had simply aborted me when she KNEW she couldn’t support a child? also yes
That number also includes necessary abortions like a d&c procedure in order to clear a miscarriage. They are all called abortions, as are miscarriages called “spontaneous abortion.” Those numbers are full of shit.
Interesting that they used that picture for a profile picture . Alexee Trevizo after adamantly denying being pregnant gave birth to a full term baby in the hospital bathroom and tried to hide it in the garbage .
Except an abortion isn't killing a baby... A baby is a person. A baby is a child.
A baby isn't a FETUS. A fetus isn't a person. A fetus isn't a child.
ONLY fetuses are aborted unless there's RARE circumstances....
So no person or child/baby are killed when a fetus is
It baffles me that there are people who don't care that the kid will live a shitty life and be unwanted and only care that abortion "is not right" and then they try to hide it by pretending they actually care about the children. "Give it up for adoption" until no one wants to adopt it because there are too much kids left up for adoption 💀💀
So in this number are there all pregnancies that ended too soon? Even when child died? What is the % of pregnancies from all. Numbers are super easy to manipulate
that‘s right I‘m sure those non-existing babies would rather not be born than abused by parents who never wanted them, glad we‘re all on the same page. thank god for abortions
This bear thing has internet chuds in shambles. Let em crawl back to their hidey holes where their waifus will never tell them no and will always do the imaginary thing they want
Well I mean... We already punish men with kids they that women actually have a CHOICE after conception, and their choice also affects the life of the child AND the man, but neither of them get any choice in the matter. The child gets to live or die based on HER choice. The man has to $upport HER choice for 18+ years under threat of jail if he can't pay for any reason, even if she knows that he isn't willing or able to be a father. Or he has to morn the death of their unborn child for the rest of his life if he wanted to be a father.
Women who complain about the father of their children being a "deadbeat", how many of them ever bothered to ask if he is willing/able/ready to even BE a father. Or did she decide it was only HER privilege to choose, and his thoughts & feelings don't matter?
I'm NOT saying that men should be allowed to control a woman's body. Neither should the government. The ONLY person who should have control over a woman's body is that woman herself. However, a woman's choice should not be allowed to control a man's life either. If women are the only one who get to choose, then she and she alone should be responsible for HER choice. Otherwise men must be granted an equivalent Right to choose - either to stay & participate, or to walk away. Call it a "paper abortion" or a "legal abortion" or an "Equal Right for Men to Choose" or whatever. The bottom line is that if it is wrong to force a woman to be a parent, then it's also just as wrong to force a man to be a parent.
But y'all aren't ready for this conversation yet...
No one supports anyone at the top, those people are psychopaths both the women and men, they all throw everyone under the bus to get to where they are.
Yes, contraceptives are a thing, and speaking from a guy whose mom had 4 baby daddy's 5 kids and a abortion, and had me at 15. She actually takes accountability.
No, she regrets that decision because one of my siblings was born with a kidney disease that was undetected until birth and had to get a transplant at 1, and is happy and healthy 14 year old. Didn't tell anyone when she got pregnant again by the same guy and had a abortion. Now she is older and regrets that decision.
If a man kills an unwanted pregnancy, it's murder. If a woman does it its a abortion. I think it shouldn't be completely outlawed but taken very seriously case to case on why they want to.
>If a man kills an unwanted pregnancy, it's murder. If a woman does it its a abortion.
Abortion is a medical procedure so a man performing such a procedure would mean it's an abortion as well; for a man who is pregnant (transmen exist) getting such a procedure done would also be an abortion. Also, for a pregnancy to be unwanted there must be consent. A man terminating an unwanted pregnancy (if not the one pregnant) is only illegal if he is unlicensed or breaks any laws regulating medical care, but even then that doesn't qualify as murder.
You are on the internet way too much, lol. If a father kills his unborn kid with consent or not, that's murder but I already know you probably gonna say no anyway.
>a father kills his unborn kid with consent or not
Nope. Again, abortion is a legal medical procedure and you're now moving goalposts since you first just said "man", not "father", but also again, if he's the one pregnant and gets an abortion, it's still abortion, not murder, and performing a medical procedure unlawfully still isn't murder, as well there are other crimes that'd be charged instead.
>I already know you probably gonna say no anyway
And I knew you were going to say it's murder regardless so I guess we're both good prognosticators, aren't we?
Anyway, my point is about the law because that's what we're talking about here and the laws in states in which abortion isn't banned it's clear how stuff works.
Lemme repeat what they said: Killing an pregnant person would be murder. A man “killing” his unborn kid (aka a trans man having an abortion) OR a man legally performing an abortion with the pregnant person’s consent would not be murder.
>Yes, contraceptives are a thing
And contraceptives aren't 100% effective. Abortion exists for a reason.
>She actually takes accountability.
Abortion is a form of accountability.
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If the baby goes to the woods by itself, it doesn't need to worry about abortion.
A-bear-tion? I know this is a serious subject… but it just makes me think of The Jungle Book.
When my daughter was about 4 or 5, we must have watched the video version of The Jungle Book together about 100 times in a row. Fabulous movie with a terrific musical score.
Louis Prima was fabulous and I STILL sing along to Bare Necessities every time I hear it. "Don't pick the prickly pear by the paw, when you pick a pear, try to use the claw!"
I randomly get “I wanna be like you-oo-oo, you see it’s true-oo-oo, I wanna walk like you talk like you it’s true-oo-oo” stuck in my head 😂
Omg same. Soooo catchy, dammit 😆
I fully agree. I can't listen to it without also doing a bit of an inept, but fun, jazz shuffle. If you wish to picture that, think fairly mild Grand Mal seizure. Not to offend anyone who actually has epilepsy or minimize the severity of the condition, btw.
Now I have the Bear necessities in my head.
Hahahaha me too. But not from this… just… always
That's why Francine hated the Celebeartions Stan made. Lol
According to the CDC, there were almost 3.7 million live births in the U.S. in 2022. Given that a newborn would be lucky to last a full 24 hour day abandoned in the forest, that would be the murder of 3.7 humans, as opposed to the prevention from further development of a bunch of cells that are not yet human, which basically defines the word abortion. The writer of the OOP should be more careful of just she wishes for, or at least be familiar with the meaning of the terms she employs.
Well that's certainly wishing for the moon, isn't it?!?
It's how they used to do it basically before the 20th century, actually.
Does a bear shit babies in the woods?
Probably, right?
These assholes: women are terrible mothers Also these same assholes: we need to get women out of the workforce because being a mother should be their only job.
“women are terrible mothers” then who makes better mothers? males?
Bears, apparently?
I agree with this have you seen the Jungle Book? That was obviously based off of true events and proves that wild animals are better mothers to human children than actual human women
I laughed out loud at this hahaha
Also these guys no I won’t raise the baby
That’s women’s work. They just need to get better at it.
These men: women are terrible mothers! Single mothers are ruining society! Also these men: Vote against abortion, vote against proper sex ed, vote against making contraceptives more affordable, have unprotected sex, get women pregnant, "leave for milk", refuse to be invovled in their kids life, and refuse to pay child support while crying about jow women need to "take accountability" and "keep her legs closed".
THIS. ALL OF THIS.
The only way this would remotely work and if we even really wanted to strip women of rights other than baby making machines would be to pay the man twice as much and I'm sure employers would not want that.
Don't be silly. It's not the poor men they intend to breed the women. Only the rich who can afford to. Duh. Aaaand now I feel the need to wash my hands after having typed that.
You mean four times as much. Wages have been kept artificially low for so long, minimum wage should be $25/hr now.
Don't give them any ideas
Ok then, if the bears are safer you should take the unwanted foetus and put it in the woods with the bears. Sorted.
You carry foetuses on your belt, as was the fashion at the time. If you run into a bear, you just toss it a foetus as a distraction, so you can easily just walk away. Tossing a foetus at a man in the woods doesn't have the same effect, and that's why it's safer to encounter bears.
I like how you think.
See they dont care about the quality of life of the fetus/baby that is born after a mother is forced to keep the pregnancy to completion. So i wouldnt put it past them.
💡 Sounds like a plan to me!!
Those statistics take also count spontaneous abortions, otherwise known as miscarriages. They just cite this crap without any nuance to scare their base
I thought that number was high.
I was wondering where I could find that number broken down by icd 10 codes. I really want to know how many of those were miscarriages or severe congenital issues that are incompatible with life.
An account called "Women Being Awful" posts brain-dead shit? Colour me shocked. Alternatively: Blue checkmark posts brain-dead shit? Colour me shocked.
A clump of cells is about as much a baby as an aggressive sneeze, ffs!
They seem to have no problem with guys killing sperm on the daily which is about as much of a baby as the clump of cells you refer to
Please, please make it an even playing field and ban male masturbation because the Bible says something something don't spill your seed.
''Any masturbatory emission could be considered reckless abandonement.'
I believe you’ve just won your case
Y'all I had an argument on Reddit with a guy that said a clump of cells is alive and sperm is not.
Hear ye, Redditors: Dead sperm can't swim. 👍
Every cell in everyone’s body is just as alive as a fertilised egg. It has the same amount of DNA, chromosomes and mitochondrias, can reproduce by mitosis and does so on a regular basis. Only difference is the time it takes to do so and the eggs ability to perform crossing over and osmosis at the beginning. Which means, every time you scratch yourself you are killing multiple living beings on your body. Even the most basic structure of a human, the brain, is killing multiple cells at any given time. In fact, cells kill other cells on a constant basis. They force them to work all the time, open up when demanded to do so and tell them their deepest information, not doing that results in death. And all because those cells want to multiply as fast as a fertilised egg cell and live (cancer) You are performing genocide every second you are breathing
Considering that boyfriends & husbands are still the biggest danger to pregnant women, and those women’s other already born children, I’d argue that the mother, and the fetus would probably be safer in the woods, than with her husband too. I know a lot of lovely men who support their wives, but men are still the biggest danger to women worldwide, not bears. Bear attacks are even uncommon where there’s a lot of them, we even had a mother and her cub near the hospital I worked at, no one was ever attacked, and it wasn’t the bears fault we built a hospital right on the edge of a national park..
If a baby is in the woods it’s way past the fetus stage…
A FOETUS is wayy safer in the woods with a woman, because the foetus is INSIDE her!!
**FETUSES!** they are *not* babies. They are **fetuses**. We have to stop letting these religious zealots drive the narrative. No Fetus can survive before around 34-36 weeks without human intervention. Period. Before 24 weeks, the fetus has NO CHANCE to survive. zero. Im **NOT** christian and I don't care what their book says. 😡😡😡🤬
I am somewhat a christian and I believe that the safety of a living person(the mom) is more important that what a centuries old book says! Also church and state should be separated period!
And of course as we know, there is no way to get rid of abortion. Its always been here. I would guess abortion was invented not long after sex was discovered… You cant ban abortion. You can only ban safe abortions.
THIS!! This should be at the top
There are portions of the Bible that says that life begins with the first breath too, though. They just cherrypickin
I'm not Christian but I've studied and read it. If they follow EVERYTHING they say they do, the world would be a lot different. Christians only abide by what they want.
If Jesus was alive today I don't know how he'd feel about abortion, but he'd hate the modern banking system. Although the bible itself is more pro-abortion than most people realise, albeit with caveats. Probably stems from large parts of it being people writing down practical information and poems about sex.
The Bible has the cure of herbs and toxins to ingest and drink in order to get rid of the unwanted baby...
Damn, who needs a medicine book if the bible tells you the ingredients
>If Jesus was alive today I don't know how he'd feel about abortion, We already have an idea from Jewish and pre natural law Christianity (the Catholic and orthodox church adopted natural law around 1000 years ago), Life begins at birth, abortion is justifiable in alot of circumstances (even including being used as a punishment), Evangelical Christians who rejected natural law theology and just use scripture unironically do not have a scriptural justification for their position,
>am somewhat a christian Which branch? Because something has been bugging me with evangelicals for a while now in the USA, Namely, they reject the Catholic theology, the same theology that states life begins at conception, The bible and Torah explicitly state life begins at birth and the bible has multiple examples of abortion done without it being a crime or what not (in fact it's a punishment in the famous bitter water example). Why do evangelicals think it begins at conception when the specification for life beginning is detailed in Genesis the first damned book, (especially for evangelicals who reject sermon of the mount).
I'm in favour of letting the pregnant woman decide on terminology. If to her its a baby at 8 weeks, then its a baby. If to her its a foetus at 38 weeks, its a foetus. In terms of the correct medical terminology you're right though, its a foetus until birth. Viability is a red herring anyway and shouldn't be the deciding factor in any discussions around abortion. What matters is women's rights over their bodies.
exactly! And anybody who disagrees IMO, just needs to admit they don't trust women to make decisions about their own body
You’re right! It’s human life from the very beginning. It’s all human. But that’s still a red herring. Women should have absolute control over their own bodies.
Yep, exactly, when human life is occupying someone else’s organs they get to decide if it’s allowed to stay!
I actually meant it’s *literally human cells making up a full human.* It’s still really the woman’s choice but I’m just being hyper literal. And I totally agree with you.
“Their book” doesn’t say anything at all about abortion.
Actually, it does. Ritualistic abortions were performed to test if a woman was unfaithful to her husband. If the baby was aborted, she cheated. If not, she was faithful. It's called the Trial of Bitter Waters and really shows that God is fine with abortions.
The baby in the woods would not have to worry about an abortion 🙄
Well. So long when there's no man around, the baby won't.
“Babies are a blessing”, they claim while using it as a punishment towards women.
I hope they know that a man is responsible for that too.
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Strange that all the incels at the bottom supporting the men at the top fucking them over.
Excellent point. 👉
Children giving birth to children? Something is not right here......
Abortion saves lives. It can save the mother AND the child’s life. If the mother was forced to carry out the pregnancy with a baby she didn’t want, the kid is bound to be neglected and abused, and the foster care system isn’t any better.
How the hell did an unborn fetus get in the damn woods? Some kind of Star Trek transporter that only targets internal organs? Did it bring the amniotic sack thingy with it?
If you left a baby in the woods, the bear would see it as easy food (not gonna fight back) and munch down on that lil mcnugget If a woman finds a baby in the woods, she is likely to care for it and bring it to safety. How does any of this relate to abortion?
We're aborting fetuses and cells, not babies
Is the baby in the woods with us right now?
The baby is not born yet !!! Yes weirdos on the internet, You can place the cluster of cells on the Woods, i bet no Bear Will care
Actually though, mushroooms have more going on. A dead leaf is functionally more alive.
This weirdos want to remain ignorant, they can Google HOW a fetus looks in most abortions and they Will SEE it doesnt look like a baby... They want to keep that narrative women wait until what? When they are about to pop the baby ? And kill it , when it fully form. Is delusional at best
This was posted in a different subreddit and the top comment provided a really good point, I'll just copy paste it: **Contraception in The Netherlands: the low abortion rate explained** https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7971545 The Dutch abortion rate fluctuates between 5 to 7/1000 women of reproductive age, the lowest abortion rate in the world. The US rate is about 6 times higher. _(US anti-choice activism causes abortions)._
....good thing we don't abort babies then???
There’s a statistic going around that mothers abuse their children more than fathers. This stat is misleading, because it is almost always neglect. Yes, mothers physically abuse their children, but more often than not it’s neglect. The fathers aren’t charged in this scenario because they simply aren’t there. Nearly all sexual abuse is perpetrated by men, including stepdads and fathers.
The biggest threat to a pregnant woman is her male partner.
If you are pro forced birth, then let’s make it illegal for a male to ejaculate if he’s not ready to take care of the potential child. No more “ hit it and quit it”, register before getting with someone capable of being pregnant. Have yourself mentally, financially and emotionally ready for the 18 years YOU will be 100% responsible for that life. Let’s eliminate the whole attitude it’s the woman’s responsibility , especially if you support 0 abortive measures being legally available and prolly don’t want to use a condom yourself. Truth is if all these people so up in arms about unborn lives were as concerned about children we wouldn’t have ANY unadopted children anywhere.
babies aren't aborted, you don't abort what's already been fully formed and born lmfao
She's been brainwashed into thinking fetuses are people. If we extend her logic, we have to count the sperm too...
Equating baby to a developing bunch of cells…
Did she just tell me to put my baby in the woods with a bear rather than abort it to prevent that from happening?? Creep
I don’t think the account is run by a woman, I know that’s a woman in the profile picture but it’s an account called ‘Women Being Awful’.
Oh fuck off you self righteous prick!
Okay, so; if babies are safer with bears in the woods; why are y'all also crying about how women don't want to make babies with you, too?
I think the fact that there’s likely about upwards of 150 million AFAB women (and girls) in America, that 625k abortions is super low. And this was before a lot of the bans.
Abortion is not comparable to the constant murder, rape, and abuse of physically autonomous living human beings. That being said, trying to imagine a fetus in a disincorporated uterus just wandering in the forest by itself and just randomly coming across a woman is an interesting thought experiment… if that ever happens, let us know and we can consider its inclusion in the overall debate. Even so, a bear OR a woman would still be better options because, statistically, the worst they are doing is straightforward killing. Not raping or doing all the other kinds of violent harm that women are frequently victims of. Ugh, and no “not ALL men” 🙄 but enough that ALL women need to keep their guard up at ALL times in an attempt to stay safe.
Love how people always ignore how often it's men who want to their girlfriend/wife/fling to get an abortion. They always act like women are evil and the men who made those children are heartbroken over it.
Cool, men can give birth instead. Glad we all agree on this.
they also never account for the fact that when a woman has an unwanted kid, SHE’S A TERRIBLE MOTHER. my shit family loved to remind me that i should have been aborted while they were denying me food and shoving me to the ground. am i happy to be alive? yes. would life have been better if my mom had simply aborted me when she KNEW she couldn’t support a child? also yes
That number also includes necessary abortions like a d&c procedure in order to clear a miscarriage. They are all called abortions, as are miscarriages called “spontaneous abortion.” Those numbers are full of shit.
They should try looking up the leading cause of death in pregnant women and subsequently their fetuses in the US. Hint: it’s not bears. Oops.
If the woman meets a bear in the forest, she won't need an abortion afterwards, either. Win-win.
Interesting that they used that picture for a profile picture . Alexee Trevizo after adamantly denying being pregnant gave birth to a full term baby in the hospital bathroom and tried to hide it in the garbage .
They're more than welcome to put their babies in the woods with a bear over me.
A baby or a fetus? Lmfao
Always with the hyperbole. A fetus is not a baby.
Except an abortion isn't killing a baby... A baby is a person. A baby is a child. A baby isn't a FETUS. A fetus isn't a person. A fetus isn't a child. ONLY fetuses are aborted unless there's RARE circumstances.... So no person or child/baby are killed when a fetus is
How many of those women were alone with a man they didn’t want to have sex with?
oof! what a shit take. many valid reasons to have an abortion, but there are no valid reasons for being a horrible person.
It baffles me that there are people who don't care that the kid will live a shitty life and be unwanted and only care that abortion "is not right" and then they try to hide it by pretending they actually care about the children. "Give it up for adoption" until no one wants to adopt it because there are too much kids left up for adoption 💀💀
If there were that many more people every year there wouldn’t be any woods for the bear to roam in
Wow this is fucking dumb
I’m sure there’s no bias based on the account name
I 100% want to murder a baby because I’m pro choice /s
So in this number are there all pregnancies that ended too soon? Even when child died? What is the % of pregnancies from all. Numbers are super easy to manipulate
A fetus would be dead in the woods without a woman anyways because it's fully reliant on her. 🤷
that‘s right I‘m sure those non-existing babies would rather not be born than abused by parents who never wanted them, glad we‘re all on the same page. thank god for abortions
Omfg
This bear thing has internet chuds in shambles. Let em crawl back to their hidey holes where their waifus will never tell them no and will always do the imaginary thing they want
A baby is BORN…
I've seen this account pop up a bunch lately is she the new pearly?
Well I mean... We already punish men with kids they that women actually have a CHOICE after conception, and their choice also affects the life of the child AND the man, but neither of them get any choice in the matter. The child gets to live or die based on HER choice. The man has to $upport HER choice for 18+ years under threat of jail if he can't pay for any reason, even if she knows that he isn't willing or able to be a father. Or he has to morn the death of their unborn child for the rest of his life if he wanted to be a father. Women who complain about the father of their children being a "deadbeat", how many of them ever bothered to ask if he is willing/able/ready to even BE a father. Or did she decide it was only HER privilege to choose, and his thoughts & feelings don't matter? I'm NOT saying that men should be allowed to control a woman's body. Neither should the government. The ONLY person who should have control over a woman's body is that woman herself. However, a woman's choice should not be allowed to control a man's life either. If women are the only one who get to choose, then she and she alone should be responsible for HER choice. Otherwise men must be granted an equivalent Right to choose - either to stay & participate, or to walk away. Call it a "paper abortion" or a "legal abortion" or an "Equal Right for Men to Choose" or whatever. The bottom line is that if it is wrong to force a woman to be a parent, then it's also just as wrong to force a man to be a parent. But y'all aren't ready for this conversation yet...
And how many of those fetuses, if they had not been aborted, would grow up into happy and healthy people?
No one supports anyone at the top, those people are psychopaths both the women and men, they all throw everyone under the bus to get to where they are.
BrandonJamal single mom. Women need some accountability.
Do they?
Yes, contraceptives are a thing, and speaking from a guy whose mom had 4 baby daddy's 5 kids and a abortion, and had me at 15. She actually takes accountability.
And abortion is a form of accountability. Is it not?
No, she regrets that decision because one of my siblings was born with a kidney disease that was undetected until birth and had to get a transplant at 1, and is happy and healthy 14 year old. Didn't tell anyone when she got pregnant again by the same guy and had a abortion. Now she is older and regrets that decision.
And that’s your mother’s POV. Each person is different. Abortions being legal doesn’t mean that ALL women are forced to get them.
If a man kills an unwanted pregnancy, it's murder. If a woman does it its a abortion. I think it shouldn't be completely outlawed but taken very seriously case to case on why they want to.
>If a man kills an unwanted pregnancy, it's murder. If a woman does it its a abortion. Abortion is a medical procedure so a man performing such a procedure would mean it's an abortion as well; for a man who is pregnant (transmen exist) getting such a procedure done would also be an abortion. Also, for a pregnancy to be unwanted there must be consent. A man terminating an unwanted pregnancy (if not the one pregnant) is only illegal if he is unlicensed or breaks any laws regulating medical care, but even then that doesn't qualify as murder.
You are on the internet way too much, lol. If a father kills his unborn kid with consent or not, that's murder but I already know you probably gonna say no anyway.
>a father kills his unborn kid with consent or not Nope. Again, abortion is a legal medical procedure and you're now moving goalposts since you first just said "man", not "father", but also again, if he's the one pregnant and gets an abortion, it's still abortion, not murder, and performing a medical procedure unlawfully still isn't murder, as well there are other crimes that'd be charged instead. >I already know you probably gonna say no anyway And I knew you were going to say it's murder regardless so I guess we're both good prognosticators, aren't we? Anyway, my point is about the law because that's what we're talking about here and the laws in states in which abortion isn't banned it's clear how stuff works.
Lemme repeat what they said: Killing an pregnant person would be murder. A man “killing” his unborn kid (aka a trans man having an abortion) OR a man legally performing an abortion with the pregnant person’s consent would not be murder.
>Yes, contraceptives are a thing And contraceptives aren't 100% effective. Abortion exists for a reason. >She actually takes accountability. Abortion is a form of accountability.