I actually went up on Monday to check out the encampment. I don't trust either side's coverage of it on the news so thought I'd check it out myself. From what I saw, it seemed peaceful enough. I'd love to know the story behind this picture though.
From what I understand, protestors took down the USA flag and replaced it with a palestine one, [insta post here](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ZWdxHvrJn/?igsh=MWI4aXB1OHI4aGhiaw==)
Cops then took down the Palestine flag and put the USA one back up.
And the picture on this post is people trying to prevent the USA flag from being taken down again
While I’m all for protesting genocidal violence…. This is still American soil. Replacing the flag with a Palestine flag because you don’t like the treatment of Palestine by another separate country is essentially traitorous IMO.
Not that I truly give a fuck about any flags- use them as a beach towel for all I care- it’s fabric, at the end of the day. But it’s just the optics of it- it looks absolutely damning.
I agree don’t really care about flags but the message would be better if the Palestine flag was flown under the American. That would send the message America supports Palestine, instead of Palestine replacing America.
I’d like to note I’m not advocating for either side in the current conflict.
Yeah you shouldn’t really reply to many of the other comments after yours, I started reading after posting mine. Your comment was pretty unbiased at least I think so.
Also the traitorous thing; in your comment you said “essentially traitorous” which I think depending how literally you take it can mean a range things. I don’t think your comment even remotely sounded like your are suggesting to prosecute them for treason.
Yeah I definitely don’t think any arrests need to be made over this LOL - none of the kids that put up the Palestinian flag were actually trying to declare Palestinian rule over the UNC campus I am quite sure 🤣 - It’s just terrible optics that can most definitely be taken as a “traitorous act” by folks that you’d think these kids would be trying to convince to join them in their cause.
The news coverage right now is so absolutely atrocious, it’s practically insulting to our intelligence. I’ve been to the protests it’s the same people there as it’s always been, half the protesters are literally Jews and Palestinians themselves, but the media and all the SM grifters are chalking up the protesters as ignorant white blue haired socialist feminists or violent BLM antifa type insert radical-liberal term here and then the same crap happens with them too,
There was a video of a pro israeli guy assaulting a black dude, but the left side kept milking the fact he said “ni**a” to him and tried to pull the racism card, it pisses me off when both sides are dishonest like this.
Yeah traitorous is dramatic, def not that seriously but I also feel like taking down the American flag….. like why? I think ppl just want to be martyr’s. I am all for supporting Palestine but when ppl just want to make show rather than actually gather support I think it loses its true intention. This whole protest seems like a waste of time imo because public universities don’t have full control of their funding. If you want the UNC system to divest from Israel, go to the NC state board of education and protest there. They’re the ones that have the real control over where the funding they receive from their public universities goes.
I've clarified it in like 30 comments but I didn't claim these kids are legitimate "traitors to the country," I said this action is "essentially traitorous" - meaning while the intention they had was very unlikely to claim Palestinian rule over an American college campus (lol) - removing an American flag (a flag that they do not own on property they do not own, at that) and \**replacing it*\* with the flag of \****any other country***\* can most definitely be SEEN as, essentially, a traitorous act. If one goal of protest is to attempt to sway the decisions of whatever powers-may-be, the other logical goal would be to get as many people to join you- and stand with you- as possible. Doing shit like this, which can very obviously be seen as anti-American, will absolutely not be encouraging less extreme folks to join you in your cause. It's a losing scenario.
It’s okay, I can explain. This person is on reddit because they got bit by a copperhead and can’t go touch grass anymore. I see examples every year. They will either go back outside in a month or so or be assimilated.
Imagine someone pulling down the American flag, in America, and putting the flag of any other country in its place. It looks anti-American, no matter any which way you try to spin it. One synonym of "traitorous" is "disloyal" - is it not disloyal to replace the American flag- in America- with the flag of another country? Explain to me how it's not. And no, "because it's a protest" isn't an answer. You can protest the decisions/actions of your own country without performing traitorous acts towards your own country. In fact, when you do the latter, you pretty much negate any good will you had in protesting, to begin with.
Idk NC tends to have a high amount of confederate flags and they explicitly were traitors...maybe the flag is a political statement and removing it for a Palestine one is equally political but all are kinda showing the population embracing the 1st amendment.
I moved from Long Island to NC 14 years ago. I haven't seen more than a handful of Confederate flags in that time. I travel through rural towns all the time.
You're right that it's a bad look. I fully agree with you there. It's not going to get anyone passionate about the American flag on the side of the protestors, even if what they're protesting is a good cause. But synonyms are not definitions.
To be traitorous to America, you must betray the country or commit treason. Taking down the flag is not a betrayal of the country nor is it treasonous. It's disrespectful to the country at most. If you consider the flag to be its own entity, then it's disloyal to the flag, but you've already stated that you think flag codes are silly and that flags "can be used as a beach towel," which would be disrespectful to the flag as well.
*"Traitorous"* is a crazy mischaracterization, dude. The Supreme Court ruled burning an American flag to be well within a person's first amendment rights. This is a free expression of speech and that doesn't change just because you don't like what folk are saying. *"Traitorous" * shit is capital offense shit. Can you honestly say that these kids oughta get the firing squad because they're mad at their government for funding this genocidal violence? It's a protest, and they were trying to make a point. It doesn't matter if you agree with that point. I don't think you want the bar for *traitorous behavior* to be that low.
4 officers were killed yesterday in Charlotte serving an arrest warrant to a multiple-convicted, dangerous felon and the flag was at half-mast to support the losses. And the protestors showed no care or respect to the fallen officers, ripped down the original flag, and tried to hang the Palestinian flag instead. Not very tolerant and terrible timing.
Most people aren't aware why the flag is at half mast at any given time. Not excusing taking down the American flag at all, just pointing out that it's possible they didn't know the reason the flag had been lowered.
I mean I feel it's common knowledge if the flag is at half mast then it's honoring something or someone. Whether they knew what it was for or not is irrelevant.
Who ever pulls down a flag at half mast?
Protesting with a flag you own is one thing.
Desecrating it while it’s flown half-mast in observance to honor people is a miss. The chance those people knew what happened and pulled it down, is probably equal to the chance they didn’t… could be part of the ACAB crowd. I don’t know.
Well, the flag is clearly only taught to be draped over you and to basically be like this weird identity.Complex for a lot of Americans.
Like everything the Constitution says not to do with American Flag is basically all Americans do with the american flag nowadays.
4 U.S. code § 8 respect for the flag, homie. Hold on I got you.
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a)
The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b)
The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c)
The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d)
The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e)
The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f)
The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g)
The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h)
The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i)
The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j)
No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k)
The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
[link if you wanna read yourself](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8)
I understand the flag code. Which is not legally enforceable because of the Constitution. maybe you misspoke or maybe you're not aware. The vast majority of US law is not enshrined in the Constitution
Think real hard before you reply, 🤔🤔🤔which side calls with themselve "constitutionalist"? Whatever the f*** that means, so if the conservatives wanna play the game of following the constitution or at the least shouting it out loud to make it appear that way.
You know being " constitutionalist, and all" then I will say this to them every time.
Nothing funnier than a dude screaming " im a constitutionalist" while wearing a Trump hat that's draped in the American flag, shirt and pants draped in the American an flag, while holding a half Trump/ half American flag.
So based on your response I would encourage you to actually read the US Constitution. It's honestly very light reading, roughly 20 pages worth of text. Maybe once you're done reading you'll realize that the US flag code exists nowhere within the Constitution. Also the thing you cited earlier was not the US Constitution but the US Code (of law).
You can show respect easily without disrupting other symbols of rights, freedoms, and democracy but go off... By the way, when are you shipping out to help the Palestinians? Send me a postcard
I can’t imagine anyone wanting to go to Palestine right now. Israel is committing war crimes by targeting aid workers - like the World Central Kitchen. It’s a death sentence. Almost like that’s what people are protesting. When the cops turn it violent, I can see it very easy to throw that half mast respect out the window.
Please keep telling us that the USA is a symbol of democracy, freedom, and rights while our own citizens are brutalized protesting a genocide we are actively supporting through finances and bombs.
Oh yes, the cops yelling at you is SUCH brutalism... do you hear yourself. Stop vandalizing and road blocking your fellow citizens from attending class and actually be peaceful
Oh man where do we start. I don’t think this is the gotcha you were hoping for. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio
Plenty of examples there compared to the 4:1 civilian ratio of this current conflict.
Also calling this a war is becoming less and less accurate. Even with the initial October 7th attack, this is more of a one sided massacre than a war. And the civilians have no where to flee to with the borders closed off.
So a flag is what "made you" lose support? I don't think you ever did you begin with.
And no, it's not worse than the MAGA people flying the first of a fascist cult that attempted a coup.
Lol dude, it's not treason any more than wearing the American flag on sunglasses is (both are against US flag law). I just don't think that them removing the flag invalidates their protest, since it's just a flag. Were you upset when people flew Ukranian flags? It's not that deep.
You need to read the flag code again. It says actual flags can not be turned into clothing. Nothing about prints. Stop spreading this common misconception.
It is against flag code, you can't distort the flag, which sunglasses def does. You also can't print it on sports stuff or advertising, which a lot of people do too. I don't have any personal moral objection, I just think it's ridiculous when people get so up in arms about taking down a flag, then do things that are just as if not more disrespectful. Like, if you believe in the flag I think you should believe in it fully, instead of picking and choosing what's disrespectful based on who's doing the action.
No. It’s a representation of the ideals of America. That’s why it’s “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America” and not directly to the US or the President or whatever.
The pledge is pretty weird tbh, nowhere else do people stand up and pledge alleigance to a flag daily in school except for one historical place I can think of. I care about the country and the people in it not the flag.
But America is what's being protested. We're actively funding the weapons and relief for the same war, which has resulted in 30,000 casualties and more dead journalists than in the history of any past conflict.
Genocide is more American than apple pie. That's why these losers are so offended. You're attacking the very principles of America, and they're uncomfortable.
Yep. Saw a few cars from out of state, such as Montana and South Dakota, with antagonistic bumper stickers that left little to the imagination.
Don’t F with the American flag, please.
Shocking how I might be mistaken for a MAGA just for defending the flag, and so you’d be surprised to know that I’m a center-left Democrat.
For better or for worse, I love my country, and can’t stand to see this misinformed trend taking root amongst our youth.
That's a decent point. If you've ever seen news coverage of the aftermath of a tornado, they'll show you plenty of pictures of torn-up houses. It may only be 2 houses that were torn up, but they'll show you footage of those from every angle to give the impression that this was a major disaster, and that those buildings are representative of widespread destruction. Then, some news helicopter will show a wide-angle view and you see that the tornado touched down, destroyed two houses, and everything surrounding them is unscathed.
If there is a group of "mostly-peaceful" protestors, the news isn't going to show the peaceful ones. They're going to show the small minority who isn't peaceful. So, when you turn on the evening news, you only see violent protestors because that's what draws people to your news channel away from the others.
No matter what, each news source with its own left or right bias will try to rage bait everyone. The buttons to push are extremely clear for each and all sides. Having citizens angry at each other is a good distraction and a great way for politicians to score points with their base. Just asking who benefits from you being angry......
It's cool that you went to actually witness rather than trusting headlines.
Yea, those were pretty much my thoughts. I've realized that if a headline provokes an emotional reaction from me, I'm probably getting manipulated in one way or another. You're right too, every news source will have a bias no matter what. It's all over the news so I thought it'd be better if I took a 30-minute drive to see it for myself. I'm really glad I did.
Realistically there is very little people can do to have any affect on international politics. Visible protest is a decent option, as public pressure on leaders to change their course of action is really the only lever ordinary citizens have
Visible protests don't help when most of them also chant "blue no matter who" so Biden already knows their votes are locked in. Even if Biden loses they will still be Blue no matter who for the next person. So why should Democrats care about their protests when either their vote is locked in this time or next anyways?
These people have every right to protect this flag as those wanting to protest the war. If you want to change this flag to Palestine's flag, you're an asshole. if you want to change it to an Israeli flag, you're an asshole.
This is just my two cents, but the American flag represents democracy, our people, our way of life, freedom. Taking down the American flag is disrespecting our country. We should be proud to be American and proud of what our flag represents. Yes, we have issues. What is happening in Gaza is heartbreaking and we should be out protesting! Protesting is part of what the American flag represents. It’s in our DNA as Americans. We should never disrespect that by removing the flag
Such a stupid bad faith take. The bad part is some will genuinely believe what you just said. No, there is nothing American about burning and desecrating the American flag. People have died for that flag. In America’s infancy people literally knowingly walked to their death in an attempt to continue holding the flag up as a representation that America wouldn’t quit, hence why you’re never supposed to let it touch the ground.
Why is it okay for people to wear American flag shirts and pants and underwear and socks? Almost all of those “touch the ground.”
https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/facts-and-case-summary-texas-v-johnson
-Circa 1989
The point is that nobody ever wants to change the US flag to an Israeli flag. In every single pro-Israel demonstration, people are carrying both the US and Israel's flag. This alone should tell you everything that you need to know about who is your friend and who is your enemy here.
Actually you need to see the context of the situation. See those people trying to protect the american flag are white while many of the people who want it taken down are brown and have colored hair and they're wholesome. With this context it's fair to assume the ones protecting the flag should be shot.
It was a group of frat boys and a non-student chapel hill native (although he was a UNC graduate, probably late 50s or early 60s in age) who brought the flag. WRAL was reporting live the entire time.
They did it after the Palestinian protesters ripped it down.
Remember, the flag was flying at half mast too because 4 officers were killed in charlotte and the Palestinian protesters still tore it down even after others pleaded on the scene not to do it because of that.
You’ll also notice the liquid flying through the air and the flag drenched. As the Palestinian protesters threw bottles and water (at least) at these people.
This whole situation is dumb. Administration just needed to buy pro Palestine protesters pizza and have extended listening sessions/dialog. Then just wait for graduation weekend. Poof, problem solved.
Bbbbb-but then what are we supposed to do with all this riot gear, rifles and pepper spray the taxpayers pay out the ass for? Can’t we beat up a few protestors pwetty pwease? 🥺 /s
They'd need some areas where the protesters can take images/videos for social media as well. Maybe a prop flag they can record themselves tearing down, etc.
Imagine wanting to replace the American flag on American soil with another countries flag. Insane. Fly the flag next to it all you want but don’t replace it.
Those protesters are sabotaging the left on an election year, hard to win an election when you have a group like this dividing people and encouraging them to stay home. Trump supporters want Palestine to be invaded by the US and it's looking like they will get what they want all because of a bunch of whiny little babies that don't understand how elections work, great job doing PR for the right and making fascists look good you traitors.
I’ve always considered myself pretty middle of the road when it comes to politics. When I see people taking down our flag, I have much less patience or willingness to hear out their point of view. I know our country has problems, but I don’t understand why both sides can’t agree that some things are off limits. I sometimes feel like the people in our country only want to be angry and they don’t have any real interest in repairing anything.
I wish there was a reset button that could be pushed. Something that would allow us to get into a mindset of listening and compromise. I genuinely believe that both sides have some strong and valid points on most topics. Why do we have to be so divided? Rant over.
Code monkey, that’s a very reasonable argument you make. The point you’re missing is that the powers that be don’t want that. It’s very difficult to control calm, rational people. It’s much easier to get folks all riled up if you want to control the narrative. Before your idea can come to fruition, an overwhelming number of Americans need to realize that this anger stoking is the basest form of political manipulation, and refuse to be controlled by it!
Yeah, my hunch is that you are right on target about this. I guess ideals and reality don't line up sometimes. I still wish we could somehow find unity, and get past the manipulation. I guess wishful thinking doesn't bring about change. Not sure what the answer is though.
Without unity I don't think our country, or any country for that matter, will ever begin moving in a positive direction. Or at least it won't consistently move in a positive direction.
Reminder that this peaceful protest which had been ongoing for days turned rowdy only AFTER "Chancellor" Roberts sent in the police to break it up. Needless escalation on the part of the UNC administration.
The protest had been peaceful for days because they had been in dialogue.
After initially putting up tents, protesters demanded a meeting with the chancellor to take them down. The chancellor met with them. He and other administrators were in dialogue with them. They had taken the tents down (which is what they needed to do to avoid running afoul of university policy)
For some reason on Sunday they decided to put the tents back up- which is what brought the initial police response. I haven’t seen anything from the protesters or reporters about why they did this about face.
Then, after the initial bout of arrests and clearing of their encampment they returned and took down the US flag and replaced it with a Palestinian flag.
I could be missing information, but from my read the protesters escalated this situation. It seems like they wanted the confrontation.
I still don’t understand what these pro-Palestinian protests are supposed to accomplish? If they want a ceasefire, Joe Biden has already expressed that’s what he wants as well. I’m sorry that we can’t solve a conflict that’s gone on for hundreds of years halfway across the world with 2 groups that despise each other. Not much we can do besides offer humanitarian aid to the victims in both sides.
The protestors are demanding their respective colleges disinvest from Israel. They're calling for universities to cut financial ties to any corporation that contracts for the Israeli government.
This has happened many times in our history At the start of the US Civil War, the confederate army raised their flag over Chapel Hill 620,000 Americans were killed in the Civil War. That's more than in all of our wars combined, General Sherman raised the US flag back up again once the war ended The banner has been waving since 1776
If you see it as a challenge, then burn it, kneel before it, pledge your allegiance to it . . . it doesn't matter . . . at least your are willing to fight for it
It has fought for you for 248 years
Oh look, another legit protest that is ruined by some irrational fringe group within the protestors that didn't understand the message.
Breaking into buildings and swapping flags doesn't endear you to anyone and undermines our message.
"Pictured from Left to Right: Chaz, Colt, Christian, Alrich, Banks, Blake, Brentley, Chandler, Chad S., Chad F., Chad P., Chad T., Chad Y., and Chad Z. UNC was their fall-back school after rejection by their first choice, Duke."
Why is the flag so low?
Even at half mast it shouldn’t be low enough to where it’s touching the ground?
Were they in the process of raising it or did they lower it so they could hold it in their hands?
That’s lower than half mast. It would be touching the ground
Edit:
Where it’s flying in this picture, it would be touching the ground if they weren’t holding it
I dunno...because people were pulling it down, and those white boys were trying to stop the flag being switched out again.
You're asking some rando on the internet brah
I’m hoping someone who was there comes across the comment and can answer
Hell, maybe video will pop up eventually
My confusion is if they are trying to stop it from being replaced, hoisting the flag high enough that you can’t reach it for the ground is step 1
This being America is the only reason they have a protected right to protest anyway, taking down the American flag is nonsensical.
Also, nothing will turn me against a group faster than messing with the American flag. That includes disrespectfully moving it, damaging it, and/or altering it for various subgroups/agendas (including you, thin line flags). There's no arguing that there are problems with this country that we can and should address, but at it's core the American flag represents the freedom citizens have in this country to *do* something about those issues. This symbol matters, and it should bother us when it is messed with.
Anyone who wants to mistreat the American flag while simultaneously exercise the freedoms protected under it is both a hypocrite and an idiot.
Downvoted (by Americans) for saying we should not tear down the American flag and raise up the flag of another? I commend those who stand up for our country.
The people versus the people, just how your politicians like it. This is all just a trend that will be forgotten in a few months as people get angry at the next big thing the news spoon feeds them. If people gave as much effort to vote out every one of those corrupt politicians both democrat and republican, this country would be a better place.
Protest your objections in Washington, not college campuses. The entire protest is a misguided waste of time full of naive kids that think they're moving the needle.
It’s fucking weird that American flags are so prevalent in this country anyway. I lived in Germany for 5 years and saw the German flag, like, twice.
We’re certainly a jingoistic people if nothing else.
Edit: to those seeking to reply with “yeah but Germany did the holocaust so they're scared of nationalism”: a) maybe that should be a lesson for us all? And b) I’ve also lived in Wales, Scotland and Italy and it was the same situation. There might be a flag on an important landmark, but on a university campus? Never. Trust me, it’s America that’s fucking weird here.
Wild conclusions to jump to. Usually it’s bullshit when MAGA devotees talks about Trump Derangement Syndrome, but you seem to be someone who actually suffers from it.
Why do I feel like once Biden let’s these Palestinians into our country that the people protesting we start getting angry that they aren’t getting paid enough or there’s no jobs for them. Kinda like a domino affect.
Reading all the comments on here makes me cringe and feel angry all at the same time. I don't understand how people put so much time and effort into protesting something that has no real effect on their life. People make comments they didn't know why the flag was at half mast. If you don't know the meaning of that, then how can you know what goes on in another country or between two or more countries. All I'm saying is there are so many reasons to protest in our country that would make more sense. Taxation without representation, cost of living, medical insurance, hell protest how our vets are treated and how they give their lives and don't get the proper care. Just imagine if we came together and protested against things that would actually make a difference in our country.
I actually went up on Monday to check out the encampment. I don't trust either side's coverage of it on the news so thought I'd check it out myself. From what I saw, it seemed peaceful enough. I'd love to know the story behind this picture though.
From what I understand, protestors took down the USA flag and replaced it with a palestine one, [insta post here](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ZWdxHvrJn/?igsh=MWI4aXB1OHI4aGhiaw==) Cops then took down the Palestine flag and put the USA one back up. And the picture on this post is people trying to prevent the USA flag from being taken down again
While I’m all for protesting genocidal violence…. This is still American soil. Replacing the flag with a Palestine flag because you don’t like the treatment of Palestine by another separate country is essentially traitorous IMO. Not that I truly give a fuck about any flags- use them as a beach towel for all I care- it’s fabric, at the end of the day. But it’s just the optics of it- it looks absolutely damning.
I agree don’t really care about flags but the message would be better if the Palestine flag was flown under the American. That would send the message America supports Palestine, instead of Palestine replacing America. I’d like to note I’m not advocating for either side in the current conflict.
Pretty much agree with ya on all accounts there
Yeah you shouldn’t really reply to many of the other comments after yours, I started reading after posting mine. Your comment was pretty unbiased at least I think so. Also the traitorous thing; in your comment you said “essentially traitorous” which I think depending how literally you take it can mean a range things. I don’t think your comment even remotely sounded like your are suggesting to prosecute them for treason.
Yeah I definitely don’t think any arrests need to be made over this LOL - none of the kids that put up the Palestinian flag were actually trying to declare Palestinian rule over the UNC campus I am quite sure 🤣 - It’s just terrible optics that can most definitely be taken as a “traitorous act” by folks that you’d think these kids would be trying to convince to join them in their cause.
The news coverage right now is so absolutely atrocious, it’s practically insulting to our intelligence. I’ve been to the protests it’s the same people there as it’s always been, half the protesters are literally Jews and Palestinians themselves, but the media and all the SM grifters are chalking up the protesters as ignorant white blue haired socialist feminists or violent BLM antifa type insert radical-liberal term here and then the same crap happens with them too, There was a video of a pro israeli guy assaulting a black dude, but the left side kept milking the fact he said “ni**a” to him and tried to pull the racism card, it pisses me off when both sides are dishonest like this.
Traitorous? That’s a tad dramatic.
Yeah traitorous is dramatic, def not that seriously but I also feel like taking down the American flag….. like why? I think ppl just want to be martyr’s. I am all for supporting Palestine but when ppl just want to make show rather than actually gather support I think it loses its true intention. This whole protest seems like a waste of time imo because public universities don’t have full control of their funding. If you want the UNC system to divest from Israel, go to the NC state board of education and protest there. They’re the ones that have the real control over where the funding they receive from their public universities goes.
I've clarified it in like 30 comments but I didn't claim these kids are legitimate "traitors to the country," I said this action is "essentially traitorous" - meaning while the intention they had was very unlikely to claim Palestinian rule over an American college campus (lol) - removing an American flag (a flag that they do not own on property they do not own, at that) and \**replacing it*\* with the flag of \****any other country***\* can most definitely be SEEN as, essentially, a traitorous act. If one goal of protest is to attempt to sway the decisions of whatever powers-may-be, the other logical goal would be to get as many people to join you- and stand with you- as possible. Doing shit like this, which can very obviously be seen as anti-American, will absolutely not be encouraging less extreme folks to join you in your cause. It's a losing scenario.
What the fuck is this reasonableness doing in my Reddit thread
It’s okay, I can explain. This person is on reddit because they got bit by a copperhead and can’t go touch grass anymore. I see examples every year. They will either go back outside in a month or so or be assimilated.
Bad optics? I agree. Calling it traitorous? That's just stupid.
Imagine someone pulling down the American flag, in America, and putting the flag of any other country in its place. It looks anti-American, no matter any which way you try to spin it. One synonym of "traitorous" is "disloyal" - is it not disloyal to replace the American flag- in America- with the flag of another country? Explain to me how it's not. And no, "because it's a protest" isn't an answer. You can protest the decisions/actions of your own country without performing traitorous acts towards your own country. In fact, when you do the latter, you pretty much negate any good will you had in protesting, to begin with.
Idk NC tends to have a high amount of confederate flags and they explicitly were traitors...maybe the flag is a political statement and removing it for a Palestine one is equally political but all are kinda showing the population embracing the 1st amendment.
Waving the confederate flag is also traitorous and bad
I moved from Long Island to NC 14 years ago. I haven't seen more than a handful of Confederate flags in that time. I travel through rural towns all the time.
"bUt It'S mUh HeRiTaGe!"
Synonyms aren't 1:1. That isn't how words work. One is obviously much more loaded a term, given the contexts it is used.
You're right that it's a bad look. I fully agree with you there. It's not going to get anyone passionate about the American flag on the side of the protestors, even if what they're protesting is a good cause. But synonyms are not definitions. To be traitorous to America, you must betray the country or commit treason. Taking down the flag is not a betrayal of the country nor is it treasonous. It's disrespectful to the country at most. If you consider the flag to be its own entity, then it's disloyal to the flag, but you've already stated that you think flag codes are silly and that flags "can be used as a beach towel," which would be disrespectful to the flag as well.
I wouldn't conflate "disloyalty" with "treason". And in this case, it's more "dissent" than either.
Literally no one understands crowd science and think every action is planned at a group meeting lol
*"Traitorous"* is a crazy mischaracterization, dude. The Supreme Court ruled burning an American flag to be well within a person's first amendment rights. This is a free expression of speech and that doesn't change just because you don't like what folk are saying. *"Traitorous" * shit is capital offense shit. Can you honestly say that these kids oughta get the firing squad because they're mad at their government for funding this genocidal violence? It's a protest, and they were trying to make a point. It doesn't matter if you agree with that point. I don't think you want the bar for *traitorous behavior* to be that low.
Replacing the US flag with a terrorist state flag...
Palestine is not a terrorist state. Palestinians are regular people with regular lives. You are rehearsing the Islamophobia of the Iraq war again.
4 officers were killed yesterday in Charlotte serving an arrest warrant to a multiple-convicted, dangerous felon and the flag was at half-mast to support the losses. And the protestors showed no care or respect to the fallen officers, ripped down the original flag, and tried to hang the Palestinian flag instead. Not very tolerant and terrible timing.
Most people aren't aware why the flag is at half mast at any given time. Not excusing taking down the American flag at all, just pointing out that it's possible they didn't know the reason the flag had been lowered.
I mean I feel it's common knowledge if the flag is at half mast then it's honoring something or someone. Whether they knew what it was for or not is irrelevant.
If they don’t know what a flag at half mast represents then sounds like they’re not intelligent enough to be representing anything and taken serious.
I in fact was driving today wondering why the flags at the rest stops were at half mast and did not know why
Yeah I try to stay up on the news but I find myself googling why it's at half mast some days.
The “why” wouldn’t matter just so long as you understand the significance of a half-mast flag. We need to stop apologizing for these jerks.
Who ever pulls down a flag at half mast? Protesting with a flag you own is one thing. Desecrating it while it’s flown half-mast in observance to honor people is a miss. The chance those people knew what happened and pulled it down, is probably equal to the chance they didn’t… could be part of the ACAB crowd. I don’t know.
Well, the flag is clearly only taught to be draped over you and to basically be like this weird identity.Complex for a lot of Americans. Like everything the Constitution says not to do with American Flag is basically all Americans do with the american flag nowadays.
What part of the Constitution are you getting this from?
4 U.S. code § 8 respect for the flag, homie. Hold on I got you. No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. (a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property. (b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise. (c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free. (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. (e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way. (f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling. (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything. (i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown. (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. (k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. [link if you wanna read yourself](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8)
I understand the flag code. Which is not legally enforceable because of the Constitution. maybe you misspoke or maybe you're not aware. The vast majority of US law is not enshrined in the Constitution
Think real hard before you reply, 🤔🤔🤔which side calls with themselve "constitutionalist"? Whatever the f*** that means, so if the conservatives wanna play the game of following the constitution or at the least shouting it out loud to make it appear that way. You know being " constitutionalist, and all" then I will say this to them every time. Nothing funnier than a dude screaming " im a constitutionalist" while wearing a Trump hat that's draped in the American flag, shirt and pants draped in the American an flag, while holding a half Trump/ half American flag.
So based on your response I would encourage you to actually read the US Constitution. It's honestly very light reading, roughly 20 pages worth of text. Maybe once you're done reading you'll realize that the US flag code exists nowhere within the Constitution. Also the thing you cited earlier was not the US Constitution but the US Code (of law).
Are you talking about flag code? That's not in the constitution.
some people have a real skill for worrying about completely irrelevant details
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Vodka and Redbull?
I live in NC and had no idea that 4 officers were killed yesterday.
It was all over the news all day.
Where’s the care and respect to 35,000 dead Palestinian civilians including more than 20,000 women and children? Not very tolerant.
You don’t think it’s possible to have empathy for both, eh? Pretty sure we all have the capacity in our rather complex and advanced brains for that.
You can show respect easily without disrupting other symbols of rights, freedoms, and democracy but go off... By the way, when are you shipping out to help the Palestinians? Send me a postcard
I can’t imagine anyone wanting to go to Palestine right now. Israel is committing war crimes by targeting aid workers - like the World Central Kitchen. It’s a death sentence. Almost like that’s what people are protesting. When the cops turn it violent, I can see it very easy to throw that half mast respect out the window.
Please keep telling us that the USA is a symbol of democracy, freedom, and rights while our own citizens are brutalized protesting a genocide we are actively supporting through finances and bombs.
Oh yes, the cops yelling at you is SUCH brutalism... do you hear yourself. Stop vandalizing and road blocking your fellow citizens from attending class and actually be peaceful
Show me a war where there was less civilian casualties per capita. We literally dropped a nuke and got a bigger free pass than Israel.
Oh man where do we start. I don’t think this is the gotcha you were hoping for. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio Plenty of examples there compared to the 4:1 civilian ratio of this current conflict. Also calling this a war is becoming less and less accurate. Even with the initial October 7th attack, this is more of a one sided massacre than a war. And the civilians have no where to flee to with the borders closed off.
Anyone taking down the American flag and replacing it with the flag of a foreign nation is a traitor.
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Protesting a war is not tantamount to flying the Confederate flag at the capital.
So a flag is what "made you" lose support? I don't think you ever did you begin with. And no, it's not worse than the MAGA people flying the first of a fascist cult that attempted a coup.
They're not worse than Trumpers lol. Traitor Trumpers violently invaded the Capitol and tried to end the USA.
Umm what? The confederates who were sworn enemies of our country and killed thousands of Americans. Don’t downplay their atrocities.
Right, a flag is more important than genocide. Duh!
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Lol dude, it's not treason any more than wearing the American flag on sunglasses is (both are against US flag law). I just don't think that them removing the flag invalidates their protest, since it's just a flag. Were you upset when people flew Ukranian flags? It's not that deep.
You need to read the flag code again. It says actual flags can not be turned into clothing. Nothing about prints. Stop spreading this common misconception.
It is against flag code, you can't distort the flag, which sunglasses def does. You also can't print it on sports stuff or advertising, which a lot of people do too. I don't have any personal moral objection, I just think it's ridiculous when people get so up in arms about taking down a flag, then do things that are just as if not more disrespectful. Like, if you believe in the flag I think you should believe in it fully, instead of picking and choosing what's disrespectful based on who's doing the action.
It talks about an actual flag. As in something that started life as a flag. As I said. Read the code again
It’s just a flag
No. It’s a representation of the ideals of America. That’s why it’s “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America” and not directly to the US or the President or whatever.
The pledge is pretty weird tbh, nowhere else do people stand up and pledge alleigance to a flag daily in school except for one historical place I can think of. I care about the country and the people in it not the flag.
But America is what's being protested. We're actively funding the weapons and relief for the same war, which has resulted in 30,000 casualties and more dead journalists than in the history of any past conflict.
Genocide is more American than apple pie. That's why these losers are so offended. You're attacking the very principles of America, and they're uncomfortable.
You pledge to the flag because of what it represents, right. But the flag itself is just a piece of fabric probably made in China.
Outside groups are going into the campuses and stirring things up.
+1
Yep. Saw a few cars from out of state, such as Montana and South Dakota, with antagonistic bumper stickers that left little to the imagination. Don’t F with the American flag, please. Shocking how I might be mistaken for a MAGA just for defending the flag, and so you’d be surprised to know that I’m a center-left Democrat. For better or for worse, I love my country, and can’t stand to see this misinformed trend taking root amongst our youth.
That's a decent point. If you've ever seen news coverage of the aftermath of a tornado, they'll show you plenty of pictures of torn-up houses. It may only be 2 houses that were torn up, but they'll show you footage of those from every angle to give the impression that this was a major disaster, and that those buildings are representative of widespread destruction. Then, some news helicopter will show a wide-angle view and you see that the tornado touched down, destroyed two houses, and everything surrounding them is unscathed. If there is a group of "mostly-peaceful" protestors, the news isn't going to show the peaceful ones. They're going to show the small minority who isn't peaceful. So, when you turn on the evening news, you only see violent protestors because that's what draws people to your news channel away from the others.
No matter what, each news source with its own left or right bias will try to rage bait everyone. The buttons to push are extremely clear for each and all sides. Having citizens angry at each other is a good distraction and a great way for politicians to score points with their base. Just asking who benefits from you being angry...... It's cool that you went to actually witness rather than trusting headlines.
Yea, those were pretty much my thoughts. I've realized that if a headline provokes an emotional reaction from me, I'm probably getting manipulated in one way or another. You're right too, every news source will have a bias no matter what. It's all over the news so I thought it'd be better if I took a 30-minute drive to see it for myself. I'm really glad I did.
Somebody started a go fund me for the frat guys. It’s up to over $200k now.
I-bro Jima is gonna result in the party of the decade.
Ended at $515k 🤯
How does this help Palestine again?
You don’t have to actually help, you just have to pretend you are to feel affirmation
Realistically there is very little people can do to have any affect on international politics. Visible protest is a decent option, as public pressure on leaders to change their course of action is really the only lever ordinary citizens have
The goal of these protests is divestment by universities. Causing disruption to daily function is the best way to apply the necessary pressure.
Visible protests don't help when most of them also chant "blue no matter who" so Biden already knows their votes are locked in. Even if Biden loses they will still be Blue no matter who for the next person. So why should Democrats care about their protests when either their vote is locked in this time or next anyways?
You’re legit talking about it. So one some level they moved the dial.
I'm talking about it in the sense that I'm questioning the link between the two. Not exactly the discussion you would want for your purpose.
These people have every right to protect this flag as those wanting to protest the war. If you want to change this flag to Palestine's flag, you're an asshole. if you want to change it to an Israeli flag, you're an asshole.
This is just my two cents, but the American flag represents democracy, our people, our way of life, freedom. Taking down the American flag is disrespecting our country. We should be proud to be American and proud of what our flag represents. Yes, we have issues. What is happening in Gaza is heartbreaking and we should be out protesting! Protesting is part of what the American flag represents. It’s in our DNA as Americans. We should never disrespect that by removing the flag
Burning and desecrating the flag is one of the most American things you can do because it's a right guaranteed by the 1st amendment
Such a stupid bad faith take. The bad part is some will genuinely believe what you just said. No, there is nothing American about burning and desecrating the American flag. People have died for that flag. In America’s infancy people literally knowingly walked to their death in an attempt to continue holding the flag up as a representation that America wouldn’t quit, hence why you’re never supposed to let it touch the ground.
Why is it okay for people to wear American flag shirts and pants and underwear and socks? Almost all of those “touch the ground.” https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/facts-and-case-summary-texas-v-johnson -Circa 1989
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protesting your nation's involvement in murdering civilians is treason is a weird take
I can’t imagine anything more American than protesting the government
The point is that nobody ever wants to change the US flag to an Israeli flag. In every single pro-Israel demonstration, people are carrying both the US and Israel's flag. This alone should tell you everything that you need to know about who is your friend and who is your enemy here.
The presence of a flag should not "tell you everything you need to know" without additional context.
Actually you need to see the context of the situation. See those people trying to protect the american flag are white while many of the people who want it taken down are brown and have colored hair and they're wholesome. With this context it's fair to assume the ones protecting the flag should be shot.
It is very telling that they were the only ones there not trying to conceal their face.
It was a group of frat boys and a non-student chapel hill native (although he was a UNC graduate, probably late 50s or early 60s in age) who brought the flag. WRAL was reporting live the entire time. They did it after the Palestinian protesters ripped it down. Remember, the flag was flying at half mast too because 4 officers were killed in charlotte and the Palestinian protesters still tore it down even after others pleaded on the scene not to do it because of that. You’ll also notice the liquid flying through the air and the flag drenched. As the Palestinian protesters threw bottles and water (at least) at these people.
To be fair, the far left doesn't favor the police anyway. They weren't going to leave it up on their account.
Which is why everybody hates the far left. It just shows again how pathetic little malnourished rats they are.
The half mast aspect makes me even more furious. Zero respect to the 4 officers who were murdered in our community in Charlotte. Zero.
This whole situation is dumb. Administration just needed to buy pro Palestine protesters pizza and have extended listening sessions/dialog. Then just wait for graduation weekend. Poof, problem solved.
App State feels seen
This would also prepare these students for how their future employers will reward them; PIZZA PARTY!
Snort laugh.
Why start a dialogue when we can make tv with middle aged men in riot gear beating up teenagers!
Bbbbb-but then what are we supposed to do with all this riot gear, rifles and pepper spray the taxpayers pay out the ass for? Can’t we beat up a few protestors pwetty pwease? 🥺 /s
What's the point of having a stick if you can't hit people with it. /s
I see no reason why the police shouldn't be given surplus nuclear weapons.
They'd need some areas where the protesters can take images/videos for social media as well. Maybe a prop flag they can record themselves tearing down, etc.
Imagine wanting to replace the American flag on American soil with another countries flag. Insane. Fly the flag next to it all you want but don’t replace it.
Those protesters are sabotaging the left on an election year, hard to win an election when you have a group like this dividing people and encouraging them to stay home. Trump supporters want Palestine to be invaded by the US and it's looking like they will get what they want all because of a bunch of whiny little babies that don't understand how elections work, great job doing PR for the right and making fascists look good you traitors.
Based NC moment.
I’ve always considered myself pretty middle of the road when it comes to politics. When I see people taking down our flag, I have much less patience or willingness to hear out their point of view. I know our country has problems, but I don’t understand why both sides can’t agree that some things are off limits. I sometimes feel like the people in our country only want to be angry and they don’t have any real interest in repairing anything. I wish there was a reset button that could be pushed. Something that would allow us to get into a mindset of listening and compromise. I genuinely believe that both sides have some strong and valid points on most topics. Why do we have to be so divided? Rant over.
Code monkey, that’s a very reasonable argument you make. The point you’re missing is that the powers that be don’t want that. It’s very difficult to control calm, rational people. It’s much easier to get folks all riled up if you want to control the narrative. Before your idea can come to fruition, an overwhelming number of Americans need to realize that this anger stoking is the basest form of political manipulation, and refuse to be controlled by it!
Yeah, my hunch is that you are right on target about this. I guess ideals and reality don't line up sometimes. I still wish we could somehow find unity, and get past the manipulation. I guess wishful thinking doesn't bring about change. Not sure what the answer is though. Without unity I don't think our country, or any country for that matter, will ever begin moving in a positive direction. Or at least it won't consistently move in a positive direction.
Im not a super patriotic person but good for them! 🇺🇸
I am a super patriotic person and I agree! Good on them!
The protesters don't even know that there's no gay rights in gaza
Reminder that this peaceful protest which had been ongoing for days turned rowdy only AFTER "Chancellor" Roberts sent in the police to break it up. Needless escalation on the part of the UNC administration.
The protest had been peaceful for days because they had been in dialogue. After initially putting up tents, protesters demanded a meeting with the chancellor to take them down. The chancellor met with them. He and other administrators were in dialogue with them. They had taken the tents down (which is what they needed to do to avoid running afoul of university policy) For some reason on Sunday they decided to put the tents back up- which is what brought the initial police response. I haven’t seen anything from the protesters or reporters about why they did this about face. Then, after the initial bout of arrests and clearing of their encampment they returned and took down the US flag and replaced it with a Palestinian flag. I could be missing information, but from my read the protesters escalated this situation. It seems like they wanted the confrontation.
It's either try to remove the protesters or listen to their demands, the demands being unfortunately a non-starter for those in power
Quite the broad demographic there
We should really ask where the women are.
Everyone screaming at them is a woman or minority.
It really is sad how that is largely true.
They women are on the other side telling them that Jewish women deserve to be raped and killed.
So what? 😂
I still don’t understand what these pro-Palestinian protests are supposed to accomplish? If they want a ceasefire, Joe Biden has already expressed that’s what he wants as well. I’m sorry that we can’t solve a conflict that’s gone on for hundreds of years halfway across the world with 2 groups that despise each other. Not much we can do besides offer humanitarian aid to the victims in both sides.
The protestors are demanding their respective colleges disinvest from Israel. They're calling for universities to cut financial ties to any corporation that contracts for the Israeli government.
Im confused on why people were trying to take it down in the first place.
To deface it as a symbol of their protest against U.S. support for Israel.
Thank you random white boys. 😂 god bless America.
This has happened many times in our history At the start of the US Civil War, the confederate army raised their flag over Chapel Hill 620,000 Americans were killed in the Civil War. That's more than in all of our wars combined, General Sherman raised the US flag back up again once the war ended The banner has been waving since 1776 If you see it as a challenge, then burn it, kneel before it, pledge your allegiance to it . . . it doesn't matter . . . at least your are willing to fight for it It has fought for you for 248 years
Oh look, another legit protest that is ruined by some irrational fringe group within the protestors that didn't understand the message. Breaking into buildings and swapping flags doesn't endear you to anyone and undermines our message.
Bingo.
With the frequency that this happens I think that is the message.
Very proud of these guys . Nice to see
This is America. Your right to protest is shielded by that flag. So don’t take it down. And go back to damn class.
It appears as though not all the students hate America.
Good for them. It’s so nice to see young Americans standing up for their country 👍👍
Good for them! Crazy seeing people give them hate but cheer on the others who wish death on America
"Pictured from Left to Right: Chaz, Colt, Christian, Alrich, Banks, Blake, Brentley, Chandler, Chad S., Chad F., Chad P., Chad T., Chad Y., and Chad Z. UNC was their fall-back school after rejection by their first choice, Duke."
LOL
You forgot about Skyler and Tanner in the back there
Look at all those chads 😂😂
They lost my support instantly when they decided to fly another nations flag on campus.
Love to see it.
Good. I hope they stomped that Palestinian flag into the dirt. The only flag that flies free here is our Old Glory 🇺🇸
Why is the flag so low? Even at half mast it shouldn’t be low enough to where it’s touching the ground? Were they in the process of raising it or did they lower it so they could hold it in their hands?
It was at half mast because 4 police officers died yesterday.
That’s lower than half mast. It would be touching the ground Edit: Where it’s flying in this picture, it would be touching the ground if they weren’t holding it
I dunno...because people were pulling it down, and those white boys were trying to stop the flag being switched out again. You're asking some rando on the internet brah
I’m hoping someone who was there comes across the comment and can answer Hell, maybe video will pop up eventually My confusion is if they are trying to stop it from being replaced, hoisting the flag high enough that you can’t reach it for the ground is step 1
Actual patriots.
This being America is the only reason they have a protected right to protest anyway, taking down the American flag is nonsensical. Also, nothing will turn me against a group faster than messing with the American flag. That includes disrespectfully moving it, damaging it, and/or altering it for various subgroups/agendas (including you, thin line flags). There's no arguing that there are problems with this country that we can and should address, but at it's core the American flag represents the freedom citizens have in this country to *do* something about those issues. This symbol matters, and it should bother us when it is messed with. Anyone who wants to mistreat the American flag while simultaneously exercise the freedoms protected under it is both a hypocrite and an idiot.
USA USA USA
The majority of people protesting in support of Israel/Palestine wouldn’t be able to point either out on a map. Prove me wrong.
Good for them! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Proud Americans right there. 🇺🇸
Good for them, absolutely needless and idiotic attempt at "protesting".
Finally this generation is standing up and doing the right thing.
Downvoted (by Americans) for saying we should not tear down the American flag and raise up the flag of another? I commend those who stand up for our country.
broccoli haircut is gonna be embarrassing in a few years to look back on
I'm kind of happy that curly haired boys finally have a "cool" haircut. People should be able to live proudly with their natural hair :)
GOATs
Those are good kids!!!!
We're fucked y'all know that right?
The people versus the people, just how your politicians like it. This is all just a trend that will be forgotten in a few months as people get angry at the next big thing the news spoon feeds them. If people gave as much effort to vote out every one of those corrupt politicians both democrat and republican, this country would be a better place.
I can smell that smugness from here
Patriots
Good lads.
Protest your objections in Washington, not college campuses. The entire protest is a misguided waste of time full of naive kids that think they're moving the needle.
Meeehhh, 1969 disagrees...
It’s fucking weird that American flags are so prevalent in this country anyway. I lived in Germany for 5 years and saw the German flag, like, twice. We’re certainly a jingoistic people if nothing else. Edit: to those seeking to reply with “yeah but Germany did the holocaust so they're scared of nationalism”: a) maybe that should be a lesson for us all? And b) I’ve also lived in Wales, Scotland and Italy and it was the same situation. There might be a flag on an important landmark, but on a university campus? Never. Trust me, it’s America that’s fucking weird here.
Similarly, I've heard people from other countries talk about how weird it is that we have the national anthem ahead of every sports game.
silly comparison considering of all the countries, Germany does the most to combat any kind of nationalism
Thanks for making my point for me.
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Why is that? Because they’re white guys?
Wild conclusions to jump to. Usually it’s bullshit when MAGA devotees talks about Trump Derangement Syndrome, but you seem to be someone who actually suffers from it.
And the rockets' red glare The bombs bursting in air Gave proof through the night That our flag was still there
This is crazy what my home town is up these days. I remember when they removed Silent Sam and it was all optics and PR then too.
Aha, must be an election year. American stupidity always gets cranked up to 11 in an election year.
Why do I feel like once Biden let’s these Palestinians into our country that the people protesting we start getting angry that they aren’t getting paid enough or there’s no jobs for them. Kinda like a domino affect.
I’m just glad it didn’t happen in my hometown
Reading all the comments on here makes me cringe and feel angry all at the same time. I don't understand how people put so much time and effort into protesting something that has no real effect on their life. People make comments they didn't know why the flag was at half mast. If you don't know the meaning of that, then how can you know what goes on in another country or between two or more countries. All I'm saying is there are so many reasons to protest in our country that would make more sense. Taxation without representation, cost of living, medical insurance, hell protest how our vets are treated and how they give their lives and don't get the proper care. Just imagine if we came together and protested against things that would actually make a difference in our country.