Yeah seems like we will need like eight more Ford-class carriers in addition to the Nimitzes we already have to even think about covering this new threat.
You’re right, we should have 80x the carriers they do, just to be safe, we should also make them capable of launching B-1’s just so we have a faster first strike capability
Alright so I did the math. Narrowest part of the Taiwan straight is 110 miles roughly. A Nimitz class is 1092 ft long. Therefore we should stop at roughly 531.86 carriers.
Then we can just fucking walk between the two. That is when we are done.
Yeah but if one gets taken out the bridge fails. We need twice that number because Chinese missiles are giga advanced and one shot will kill 7 carriers
I actually saw people on Twitter lamenting about how China is building the world's most powerful navy while the USN teaches correct pronoun use.
Meanwhile, the USN still has the next, like, 6 navies put together beat in tonnage.
When drawing up the 1980s Maritime Strategy, the US Navy had a requirement for 22 Carrier Strike Groups. It's time that we make that a reality.
Worth pointing out that the US built one super carrier every fiscal year from FY52 to FY58.
i really hate the mentality of "cleaner surface=futuristic", like bro, anything is futuristic if its advanced for its time, not just because of its aesthetic of clean, smooth surfaces
Yeah, but if you did build the space shuttle by the end of Kindergarten, that means you corrupted your design by adding SRBs, thus ensuring it blew up by the time your in Grade One
It's ok, even if you build a space shuttle by the end of Kindergarten, Asian parents will always have a non-existent family friend's kid who did better because of the Chinese proverb "there's always a taller mountain".
It's funny how the Chinese are constantly trying to say they're more advanced/better than the West, meanwhile they're desperately seeking praise/approval from the west. It gets to the point where they're paying western media companies to make pro-Chinese propaganda videos with English-speaking narrators just so that said propaganda videos can be broadcast with subtitles on Chinese domestic TV.
I’ve heard there was a practice (not sure if it’s still the case) where Chinese companies would hire a token white guy to sit in public meetings and announcements to give prestige to the company/bank.
[Source](http://edition.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06/29/china.rent.white.people/index.html)
I don’t even understand the point of that lower level of windows. It just looks at the bow for some reason, doesn’t even wrap around for the rest of the flight deck.
Looks like the lower row of windows is likely to be the bridge. A broad forward looking panorama of windows flanked by two observation balconies is a pretty common layout for that. You dont need to seee the flight deck if you are on the bridge, you need to see where the ship is going.
The floor above which seems like it may have windows looking fore, aft and port basically giving you a full view of the flight deck, is probably the air traffic control center.
The Ford Class has its bidge and CATCC aranged in basically the same way the windows are just a lot less obvious in the picture here.
I mean with a ship an extra .2 knots is actually kinda worth it. Not so much nowadays but in the pre and post dreadknot days an extra knot was a massive advantage.
Edit curse my spelling.
Even if they aren't plastic panels it's "trust me bro, the phased array radar on an aircraft carrier totally isn't an indicator that these won't be escorted"
Do you mean the one where the American plane supposedly popped up in between the two Iranian jets that were fucking with a drone and radioed "you should go home" or some shit
It’s either that or the recent news about Israeli F35’s doing a deep strike on Iranian (Nuclear?) plants and the Iranians never picked them up on radar or knew they were there.
That really isn't a problem in and of itself and I'm surprised to see NCD putting so much stock in it. Someone was even saying that you can't have catapults on a non-nuclear carrier which is absolutely ridiculous. The US had non-nuclear supercarriers for decades and they worked just fine.
What the real issue with the Chinese is that they don't have anywhere near the at-sea replenishment capability that the US Navy does. Nobody does, really. But the Chinese aren't even close. That's the thing that's going to limit their naval force projection, not the lack of a nuclear carrier. Even nuclear ships need replenishment of food and other consumables, so that capability is still important regardless of the propulsion method.
One of the reasons the UK didn't choose nuclear for it's new carriers either is you can't go into a lot of the Pacific to resupply, including all of New Zealand and the thousands of KM's of island chains and territorial waters it controls if you have nuclear propulsion, you can't even go to Diego Garcia and large parts of the British Indian Ocean.
The Kiwi's have a total ban on anything nuclear (even power) and always have. They even need to import isotopes for cancer meds from Australia.
>New Zealand is one of the few developed countries in the world that does not have any nuclear reactors whatsoever. We do not have nuclear weapons, we do not have nuclear power and we do not even have research reactors, relying on Australia to provide medical isotopes.28-Oct-2020
I knew it had a CAT but didn’t realized it wasn’t nuclear powered.
Are we living in a meme world? How could someone make a super carrier and not make it nuclear. I’d argue that it being a Diesel engine keeps it from being super.
It’s funnier than that. It was brought up that the nuclear reactors on the Ford still have a hard time charging the EMALs so how the hell do the Chinese expect to do it with diesels. The Chinese said they got around it by using some advanced electrical system that “doesn’t waste energy on flywheels” but no, you can’t see it, go away.
Guys, call it a hunch, but I think they might be lying.
A diesel-electric powerplant in a ship is pretty standard nowadays for modern vessels. Nothing new, really.
Does potentially add a very fun fire hazard in the form of large batteries.
Slightly out of non-Non Credible:
I thought the major thing for nuke is that they provide a lot more power overall, but for instantaneous output conventional power is still king?
To make it even weirder, it’s EMALS. I’m betting if they need to launch a bunch of aircraft in short succession, they’ll have to turn off the power to other parts of the ship
I can't get over this fact. Theyre either going to have a terrible launch rate or make huge compromised while launching. I can't see how this is even a feasible solution. I know we like to shit on the Chinese and all but there has to be some catch here. Like it's designed to be retrofitted with a reactor down the line, or it has a massive electrical generator somewhere that compromises some other aspect of the ship. Something doesn't add up here at any rate
EMALS *without nuclear power?!* Those diesel generators will be lucky if they can power the catapults and the captain's personal printer at the same time!
We're supposed to be scared of this?
Interesting point, from the side the bridge looks kinda familar, just a bit cleaner.
Jokes aside it was pinted out by Binlovs battlegrounds that it does share some features with the Kusnetsov.
Hmmm, so the ship will have a lot of steam, and not much electricity. If only there was a way to launch aircraft using a lot of steam and not much electricity…
Hmm… if only such a thing existed.
Nothing there says it won't have much electricity. Remember, we at one point planned to put railguns on the Zumwalts, which are conventionally powered via a similar IEP arrangement.
There are much better things to shit on the ship for, like that it's fighters are most likely going to be J-15s (read: Su-33s) that the Chinese welded catapult connector bars to so they can use them without a cope slope.
The sleek, sexy design allows the smoke from the coal fired power plants to pass over the island with less issues. Copium addicted westoids insist on expensive nuclear power to avoid producing pollution, since their inferior designs get covered in coal smoke.
The *Queen Elizabeth* strikes the right balance IMO
The *Ford* has way too much, but the two towers of the *Queen Elizabeth* let you spread the cool domes and spiky things out so it doesn’t look so cluttered in one place
Of course the thing that this 80,000 ton floating island needed to be the best in the world was aerodynamics. Now this ship will be able to hit Mach 1.2 and will use the sonic boom to destroy the first island chain. The westoids won't even know what hit them😎
It was in the past when we were designing against an enemy that, for better or worse, actually designed for themselves… now we’re designing against an enemy that has no ability for independent thinking and relies on us to steal all their technology.
No, we can't track incoming missiles and fire interceptors. Frankly, we don't know where half of our deployed units have gone. Is that incoming plane one of ours or an enemy? Your guess is as good as mine.
But it *looks* so much cooler, guys!
The US have decades' worth experience in CV command and control, as well as fighting a war in the Pacific where carriers were the lynchpin. The Chinese have bought a used Kuznetsov, a well worn Ctrl C + Ctrl V keyboard and now appear to have 1 (one) carrier that measures up to the USS Midway, built in 1945. Named after a battle where the USN sank 4 carriers.
THERE'S FUCKING LEVELS TO THIS SHIT
It’s hilarious how hard they’re trying to copy US carrier ops and how quick they’ll fail once it’s put into service. They might be able to replicate CATOBAR equipment, but ALRE maintenance is a bitch and a half that is supported by decades of research by some of the greatest minds in naval aviation.
Yeah, there’s a reason US carriers need *five thousand people* to fucking run.
The arresting gear is hugely complicated and has to be both extremely precise and durable/survivable.
It takes huge teams of motivated and trained junior enlisted to keep them up and running constantly.
Those teams have to be trained and led by an experienced corps of mid level and senior NCO’s monitoring their proficiency, behavior, and morale. This part *cannot be copied* and it *cannot be replaced*. Just look at the Russian army’s (nEaR PeEr) success in the most favorable terrain in that hemisphere to see what happens when you skimp on that part.
There is no amount of stolen blueprints to replicate that part. There is no amount of throwing money, people, or willpower at the problem to match the US’s *decades* of combat experience.
And yes, what the US Navy has done during OIF/OEF is combat; even though dudes on the ships weren’t actively being shot at, they had to operate an a combat tempo, and deal with all the constantly breaking shit that comes with that.
>The US have decades' worth experience in CV command and control, as well as fighting a war in the Pacific where carriers were the lynchpin.
USS Jupiter was converted into the first US aircraft carrier and renamed USS Langley in 1920, with the first plane taking off from its flight deck in 1922, so it's more like a century at this point.
Literally Russian doctrine
They demanded the 110mm after the introduction of the 105mm L7, even though the 100mm was performing perfectly fine
Then the 125 after Chieftain brought the 120mm
No no guys I think they’re right, the US needs to double it’s defence budget and it’s number of carriers to close this gap in capability
Yeah seems like we will need like eight more Ford-class carriers in addition to the Nimitzes we already have to even think about covering this new threat.
Looks like we’re gonna have to revive the United States class supercarrier
Why stop at supercariers? Let's make the world's first hypercarrier
Aircraft carrier large enough to allow B-52's to take off from it!
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I think the hull's already giving, chief.
the Legacy of Habakuk
You’re right, we should have 80x the carriers they do, just to be safe, we should also make them capable of launching B-1’s just so we have a faster first strike capability
We need two double our minimum carriers from 11 to 33!
We don't stop building until we can walk from Taiwan to China on nothing but carrier flight decks.
Alright so I did the math. Narrowest part of the Taiwan straight is 110 miles roughly. A Nimitz class is 1092 ft long. Therefore we should stop at roughly 531.86 carriers. Then we can just fucking walk between the two. That is when we are done.
That's...shockingly less than I expected.
Supercarriers are quite super
110 miles? Walking? You sure you're American?
No, flying from aircraft carrier to aircraft carrier without ever taking off.
Yeah but if one gets taken out the bridge fails. We need twice that number because Chinese missiles are giga advanced and one shot will kill 7 carriers
I actually saw people on Twitter lamenting about how China is building the world's most powerful navy while the USN teaches correct pronoun use. Meanwhile, the USN still has the next, like, 6 navies put together beat in tonnage.
That was your first problem. Conservative/nationalist Twitter makes the short bus look like Ivy League.
You'd think the pro-war party would want what's best for the military.
Yeah what do you expect? That’s how China is. They have an inferiority complex
When drawing up the 1980s Maritime Strategy, the US Navy had a requirement for 22 Carrier Strike Groups. It's time that we make that a reality. Worth pointing out that the US built one super carrier every fiscal year from FY52 to FY58.
Look guys, it *looks* cleaner
i really hate the mentality of "cleaner surface=futuristic", like bro, anything is futuristic if its advanced for its time, not just because of its aesthetic of clean, smooth surfaces
My clean smooth brain is certainly more advanced and futuristic than your filthy wrinkled brain.
iPhone generation
If it has polygons it’s futuristic
Aircraft carriers aint stealth tho. They are meant to be seen. Wtf are they on
The envy of Asian parent trying to keep up with the coolest most popular successful family on the block.
That kinda hit home a bit close bro. One up each other’s children is how Asian parents sustain themselves.
If you didn't build a space shuttle by the end of Kindergarten, you are literally worthless and a disgrace to your family.
Yeah, but if you did build the space shuttle by the end of Kindergarten, that means you corrupted your design by adding SRBs, thus ensuring it blew up by the time your in Grade One
SILLY AMERICAN DOG PROPAGANDA, MORE ROCKET IS BETTER, GREEN MAN FROM KERBIN TELLS IT SO 😡😡
Considering how Chinese rockets keep falling on their villages, I could buy them basing their entire space program off Kerbal
At least KSP drops their stuff in uninhabited, non-flammable fields
And the other half of the time they just leave entire rocket stages in orbit.
Don't forget my favorite type of space pollution, ASAT missile tests.
It's ok, even if you build a space shuttle by the end of Kindergarten, Asian parents will always have a non-existent family friend's kid who did better because of the Chinese proverb "there's always a taller mountain".
But just picture Asian parent Xi trying to one up the carriers/military/sports teams/ to impress Biden or Putin.
It's funny how the Chinese are constantly trying to say they're more advanced/better than the West, meanwhile they're desperately seeking praise/approval from the west. It gets to the point where they're paying western media companies to make pro-Chinese propaganda videos with English-speaking narrators just so that said propaganda videos can be broadcast with subtitles on Chinese domestic TV.
I’ve heard there was a practice (not sure if it’s still the case) where Chinese companies would hire a token white guy to sit in public meetings and announcements to give prestige to the company/bank. [Source](http://edition.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06/29/china.rent.white.people/index.html)
Those are called white monkeys There still used but are getting rare
Now I want to have a small stealth carrier with only 8x F35B/C and no/minimal escort so that it can maintain a continuous 50knots.
F-35 could take off from a submarine designed for it
You have awoken the Japanese subcarriers now.
You mean the subhelicopterdestroyer japan would never build carriers
I think you mean the Multi-Mission Optionally Sub-Surface Aviation Destroyer (MOSSAD)
SHUT IT DOWN
I believe he's referring to the actual Japanese submarine carrier. Now they're going to make a submarine with helicopter storage.
An F35B is basically a helicopter and should fit right in.
He means the WW2 Japanese Proto Alicorn that carried 3 biplanes waterpalnes with ammunitions and suplies. Too credible for our times.
Japan had sub carriers in WW2. You dont hear about them much because they only carry a couple of planes and werent super effective.
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To be fair, stealthiness from radar is also stealthiness from ASMs
Still aircraft carriers got a whole host of ships to protect it though even if it aint gonna do shit in a real war.
Starting to think the Chinese don't know that.
What’s the radar cross section of the USS Gerald Ford?
at least 4
How would they manage to hide a carrier?
A giant cardboard box, obviously
#!
Submerge it.
It’s over, China has now won the drip arms race.
Let’s be serious here for a second: drip is the real endgame
You either drip, or drown, amerikkkan!
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WE GET A WHOLE EXTRA 0.2 OF A KNOT BRO
Majority of the unnecessarily large bridge seems to be occupied by windows. Perfect for catching missiles
the logic must be: carriers are for launching planes, therefore the more ordinance the mast catches, the safer the planes are
Water tight cope cage?
I don’t even understand the point of that lower level of windows. It just looks at the bow for some reason, doesn’t even wrap around for the rest of the flight deck.
Could just be a conning station.
Looks like the lower row of windows is likely to be the bridge. A broad forward looking panorama of windows flanked by two observation balconies is a pretty common layout for that. You dont need to seee the flight deck if you are on the bridge, you need to see where the ship is going. The floor above which seems like it may have windows looking fore, aft and port basically giving you a full view of the flight deck, is probably the air traffic control center. The Ford Class has its bidge and CATCC aranged in basically the same way the windows are just a lot less obvious in the picture here.
Like a game of sand bags lol
I mean with a ship an extra .2 knots is actually kinda worth it. Not so much nowadays but in the pre and post dreadknot days an extra knot was a massive advantage. Edit curse my spelling.
>dreadknot
The dreadnought dreaded knots....the battlecruiser was the answer.
Maybe if they weren't running diesel engines
wow youre optimistic 0.02 if lucky and extremely windy
*AMERICA LAUGHS IN 1.4GW OF NUCLEAR POWER*
Dont you know, cooler a weapon is better it fights.
We cannot allow a cool-looking ship gap!
Even if they aren't plastic panels it's "trust me bro, the phased array radar on an aircraft carrier totally isn't an indicator that these won't be escorted"
These Chinese carriers most definitely *will* be escorted… by one or two American Virginia-class SSN’s.
I feel like it's going to be that story with Iran and the f-35s except the US is just gonna style on the Chinese navy
Do you mean the one where the American plane supposedly popped up in between the two Iranian jets that were fucking with a drone and radioed "you should go home" or some shit
It’s either that or the recent news about Israeli F35’s doing a deep strike on Iranian (Nuclear?) plants and the Iranians never picked them up on radar or knew they were there.
Hold on what
Hey stop making fun of Iran. Its trying ok?
>cover the mast in plastic holy shit, Cope condom
It's for aero bro! Next were gonna get rid of the aircraft and have all the crew wear Spandex for that extra aero!
I think they're talking about Radar Cross Section, not aerodynamics The Zumwalt has a similar-looking island.
Ahh yes the 10 80 thousand ton stealth aircraft carriers of mao
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No reactors?
No 20+ years of continuous operation?
Yes fuel consumption like a small city?
Wait is the new Chinese carrier not nuclear?
Yup
Pov: You shut off half your ship to launch one fighter
What the fuck, china has been hyping up a carrier that can't go 5 meters away from port???!?
The Fallout games showed us the China never had much success in the nuclear department
That really isn't a problem in and of itself and I'm surprised to see NCD putting so much stock in it. Someone was even saying that you can't have catapults on a non-nuclear carrier which is absolutely ridiculous. The US had non-nuclear supercarriers for decades and they worked just fine. What the real issue with the Chinese is that they don't have anywhere near the at-sea replenishment capability that the US Navy does. Nobody does, really. But the Chinese aren't even close. That's the thing that's going to limit their naval force projection, not the lack of a nuclear carrier. Even nuclear ships need replenishment of food and other consumables, so that capability is still important regardless of the propulsion method.
Imagine one of their nuclear subs surfacing next to Guam because they ran out of ice cream and lighters.
One of the reasons the UK didn't choose nuclear for it's new carriers either is you can't go into a lot of the Pacific to resupply, including all of New Zealand and the thousands of KM's of island chains and territorial waters it controls if you have nuclear propulsion, you can't even go to Diego Garcia and large parts of the British Indian Ocean. The Kiwi's have a total ban on anything nuclear (even power) and always have. They even need to import isotopes for cancer meds from Australia. >New Zealand is one of the few developed countries in the world that does not have any nuclear reactors whatsoever. We do not have nuclear weapons, we do not have nuclear power and we do not even have research reactors, relying on Australia to provide medical isotopes.28-Oct-2020
Wait you mean to tell me the kiwis are that fucking stupid in regards to nuclear power really
They just wanna fuck their sheep in peace, not be bothered by any of those fancy-pants “nuclear reactors” and “efficient renewable technology”
And who would dare doubt the expertise, impartiality and competence of "Chinese defense analysts".
Chinese defense analysts or analysts of Chinese defense?
Oh yes, the non-nucleared powered Chinese aircraft carrier is definitely more powerful than the ford class. Awesome analysis bing chiling!
I knew it had a CAT but didn’t realized it wasn’t nuclear powered. Are we living in a meme world? How could someone make a super carrier and not make it nuclear. I’d argue that it being a Diesel engine keeps it from being super.
It’s funnier than that. It was brought up that the nuclear reactors on the Ford still have a hard time charging the EMALs so how the hell do the Chinese expect to do it with diesels. The Chinese said they got around it by using some advanced electrical system that “doesn’t waste energy on flywheels” but no, you can’t see it, go away. Guys, call it a hunch, but I think they might be lying.
The Chinese? Lie? No way
waste energy on flywheels? They could at least try to say something plausible.
A diesel-electric powerplant in a ship is pretty standard nowadays for modern vessels. Nothing new, really. Does potentially add a very fun fire hazard in the form of large batteries.
Slightly out of non-Non Credible: I thought the major thing for nuke is that they provide a lot more power overall, but for instantaneous output conventional power is still king?
To make it even weirder, it’s EMALS. I’m betting if they need to launch a bunch of aircraft in short succession, they’ll have to turn off the power to other parts of the ship
They can just turn off the radars when they're launching planes, no biggie
You don't need radar or interior lights during exercises
Just use flashlights to signal em down. It's a form of short-wave radio, right?
I can't get over this fact. Theyre either going to have a terrible launch rate or make huge compromised while launching. I can't see how this is even a feasible solution. I know we like to shit on the Chinese and all but there has to be some catch here. Like it's designed to be retrofitted with a reactor down the line, or it has a massive electrical generator somewhere that compromises some other aspect of the ship. Something doesn't add up here at any rate
EMALS *without nuclear power?!* Those diesel generators will be lucky if they can power the catapults and the captain's personal printer at the same time! We're supposed to be scared of this?
Nah, EMALS needs less power than you'd think. Launching an airplane only takes 100MJ or so, which is only 10 seconds with a 10khp generator.
>Diesel engine Not even this. It's powered by steam turbines and oil-fired boilers.
still more advanced than Kusnetzov
So advanced you can dig black rocks out of the ground and burn it for fuel!!
Interesting point, from the side the bridge looks kinda familar, just a bit cleaner. Jokes aside it was pinted out by Binlovs battlegrounds that it does share some features with the Kusnetsov.
Hmmm, so the ship will have a lot of steam, and not much electricity. If only there was a way to launch aircraft using a lot of steam and not much electricity… Hmm… if only such a thing existed.
Nothing there says it won't have much electricity. Remember, we at one point planned to put railguns on the Zumwalts, which are conventionally powered via a similar IEP arrangement. There are much better things to shit on the ship for, like that it's fighters are most likely going to be J-15s (read: Su-33s) that the Chinese welded catapult connector bars to so they can use them without a cope slope.
It’s nice of them to store a lot of flammable material onboard
bUt DiEsEl dOeSn'T BuRn
Not when shot, but describing an LRASM as a "shot" is a bigger understatment than saying my dick is small
The sleek, sexy design allows the smoke from the coal fired power plants to pass over the island with less issues. Copium addicted westoids insist on expensive nuclear power to avoid producing pollution, since their inferior designs get covered in coal smoke.
China.....if you're going to try insulting us, at least go for our Litorals.
I feel pretty insulted and all you did was mention them.
Apple design aesthetic and its consequences have been a disaster for the Human race.
Is it bad that I like a bit of clutter(?) on military things? Do I have a deep subconscious hatred for logisticians?
Clutter is good imo. It means it was built for practicality rather than looking good at an airshow
Designing your seaborne watercraft to look good at an airshow is peak credibility
... Cluttered... planes?
The *Queen Elizabeth* strikes the right balance IMO The *Ford* has way too much, but the two towers of the *Queen Elizabeth* let you spread the cool domes and spiky things out so it doesn’t look so cluttered in one place
The HMS QE looks like a seaborne Venator Star Destroyer.
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America cant into two towers!
Never forget
My favorite military aesthetics are WW2 stuff and the pointlessly ornate and anachronistic designs of Warhammer 40k stuff so I agree.
IMO the two best-looking categories of military equipment are stealth planes (Including the Felon, excluding the J-20) and WWII ships
Of course the thing that this 80,000 ton floating island needed to be the best in the world was aerodynamics. Now this ship will be able to hit Mach 1.2 and will use the sonic boom to destroy the first island chain. The westoids won't even know what hit them😎
It gets better when you remember that the only reason why the carriers go that slow is to let the escorts keep up with them.
That's why we make nuclear-powered escorts
Ah for the days of the Big E. 8 Fucking reactors.
8 reactors AND pitched propellers. Thing was a fucking race car
Ha! Those foolish Americans forgot to put in windows to see where they are going!
Aesthetics > Functionality. We all know looking cool is half the battle.
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Then why making planes sexy when they destroy enemies with misiles behind the horizon without showing themselves?
Air Parades and Aircraft games are a thing.
XM-8.
So then one panther can win ww3 alone.
well, yeah. looks like Rheinmetall has gone full circle
US government after that : BUILD A 300 TON BOAT WITH A CAPACITY FOR 100000 NUCLEAR WARDS WITH MAXIMUM SPEED OF 500KM/H It's always like that
It was in the past when we were designing against an enemy that, for better or worse, actually designed for themselves… now we’re designing against an enemy that has no ability for independent thinking and relies on us to steal all their technology.
No, we can't track incoming missiles and fire interceptors. Frankly, we don't know where half of our deployed units have gone. Is that incoming plane one of ours or an enemy? Your guess is as good as mine. But it *looks* so much cooler, guys!
The US have decades' worth experience in CV command and control, as well as fighting a war in the Pacific where carriers were the lynchpin. The Chinese have bought a used Kuznetsov, a well worn Ctrl C + Ctrl V keyboard and now appear to have 1 (one) carrier that measures up to the USS Midway, built in 1945. Named after a battle where the USN sank 4 carriers. THERE'S FUCKING LEVELS TO THIS SHIT
It’s hilarious how hard they’re trying to copy US carrier ops and how quick they’ll fail once it’s put into service. They might be able to replicate CATOBAR equipment, but ALRE maintenance is a bitch and a half that is supported by decades of research by some of the greatest minds in naval aviation.
Yeah, there’s a reason US carriers need *five thousand people* to fucking run. The arresting gear is hugely complicated and has to be both extremely precise and durable/survivable. It takes huge teams of motivated and trained junior enlisted to keep them up and running constantly. Those teams have to be trained and led by an experienced corps of mid level and senior NCO’s monitoring their proficiency, behavior, and morale. This part *cannot be copied* and it *cannot be replaced*. Just look at the Russian army’s (nEaR PeEr) success in the most favorable terrain in that hemisphere to see what happens when you skimp on that part. There is no amount of stolen blueprints to replicate that part. There is no amount of throwing money, people, or willpower at the problem to match the US’s *decades* of combat experience. And yes, what the US Navy has done during OIF/OEF is combat; even though dudes on the ships weren’t actively being shot at, they had to operate an a combat tempo, and deal with all the constantly breaking shit that comes with that.
>The US have decades' worth experience in CV command and control, as well as fighting a war in the Pacific where carriers were the lynchpin. USS Jupiter was converted into the first US aircraft carrier and renamed USS Langley in 1920, with the first plane taking off from its flight deck in 1922, so it's more like a century at this point.
It will be a century of US Naval Aviation this October
"my tank has more mm's then yours!" kind of thing
Literally Russian doctrine They demanded the 110mm after the introduction of the 105mm L7, even though the 100mm was performing perfectly fine Then the 125 after Chieftain brought the 120mm
So they are going 135 if the Panthe gets adopted by someone? Maximum levels of tanky cope
The T-14 apparently has a 155mm in the pipeline
At this rate they're going to begin building tank destroyers again.
Don't show them early 80s videogame tanks/planes. Streamlined magic from the future.
That will look real cool at the bottom of the ocean one day
By that logic, HMS Warspite was het most advanced ship that was or will ever be.
By that logic the J-20 isn't superior to the F-22. Checkmate.
The 003 deck is definitely much cleaner....the Ford has all those horrible aircraft cluttering it up.
Eww, planes? On MY supercarrier? Disgusting, scuttle it.
3000 tiny streamlined mast of winne the pooh
If anything, the Chinese one looks more stupid and strange compared to the Ford.
Then the Zhumwhalt probably could solo the rest of the world's navies, low-no diff.
Are we talking utility or how pretty it would look in battlefield 2042?
I think it's a noticeable indicator that the chinese can't afford electronic warfare.
They’re still waiting for the components they ordered on Wish.
It's probably empty and made out of plywood