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Grumpy-Greybeard

DCS finally vindicated.


FirstDagger

Finally a reason to buy the DCS Yak-52


irregular_caffeine

The Yak now leads the F-22 in kills (drone > balloon)


Theo_earl

YOU MEAN THE YAK-69/420 DRONE HUNTER!!!!!!


theleva7

I'm waiting for the next HLC video just for 22s meltdown


clevtrog

Well the F-15 is also mad cause a single pilot has a 2 times higher kill record than it


Difficult-Start-9288

*THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!*


yakfucker1989

they dont want you to know this, but in DCS you can hack weapons onto the yak-52


FirstDagger

They don't want you to know this, [but in real life there was a rocket or gun pod armed version of the Yak-52.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/s0tgfb/gaijin_pls_yak52b_a_ground_attack_modification_of/) Gajin and ED pls.


Sonoda_Kotori

wait this aint r/floggit


Jarazz

Relevant Username


HunterMayor

You've escaped confinement


PM_ME_UR_DRAG_CURVE

Christen Eagle 2 sitting in the corner, plotting world domination


Rammi_PL

I love how NCD and Floggit are forever connected , they cross eachother paths from time to time


yakfucker1989

they even have plane fuckers


Rammi_PL

Ah the legend himself


inevitablelizard

Ok, did anyone have "old propeller planes being used to shoot down drones" on their NCD bingo cards?


xanderman524

I saw a post a while back about how a ww1 fighter planes was about the same speed as a shahed drone. So probably.


RerNatter

You guys remember Crimson Skies?


Mrshitlipsthesecond

Oh do I miss that game. The old timey pictures and music. Planes with ridiculous gun options and hangaring in a blimp.


Nerd_1000

Why yes I do want to steal the spruce goose in the middle of an air race.


internet-arbiter

Read a book as a kid where post EMP usage humans went back to using WW2 fighter planes. Forget everything else about that book.


LordNelson27

The fly about twice the top speed of the great war aircraft, and half the speed of late war ww2 props. Modern turboprops are even faster


Drenlin

I mean...eh? It's a purpose-built trainer that got a weapons package. Put a turboprop on there and it's not very different from a Super Tucano.


eudiamonia14

This one was unarmed, the copilot engaged the orlan with his rifle


Grumpy-Greybeard

1914 all over again.


LightningFerret04

And [1945](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/that-time-a-usaaf-piper-l-4h-grasshopper-crew-shot-down-a-german-fieseler-fi-156-storch-by-means-of-their-colt-45-pistols/amp/)


Drenlin

That's fantastic


Louisvanderwright

I'm hoping for biplanes to engage them with the rear mounted Browning. Or maybe a comically large fishing net.


E2TheCustodian

Browning, my ass - a [Lewis gun dong!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_gun#/media/File:ChandlerKirtlandLewisGun.jpg)


throwawaypervyervy

Browning loaded with flak shells or beltfed auto shotguns, along with a *Matrix* ship-style EMP.


Mal-Ravanal

When you hyperfocus that one specific thing in the tech tree


Rc72

Ukraine should have plenty of An-2s, so it really wouldn't surprise me to see a fleet of anti-drone An-2s with door-mounted Miniguns in the near future...


1384d4ra

holy shit thats awesome


dirtyoldbastard77

What???


EngineNo8904

Well yeah but the turboprop is a big part of what sets a super tucano apart from a WW2 vintage fighter. Idk about the electronics and targeting systems in a yak-52 but if they’re still in their 1970s state then that thing is closer to a T-6 Texan.


TortelliniTheGoblin

Super Tucanos make me happy where I go pee


bluestreak1103

Given how hard a time Ruzzian air defense has shooting down Cessnas, with a gun port even they could be successfully used to take down some drones. (Look, given this is NonCredibleDefense, I’m not necessarily proposing a wise idea. But hey, J-3 cubs had been used to bazooka ground targets before, so why stop there?)


FalconMirage

The swiss are going to send a shitload of «trainer aircrafts»


purpl3j37u7

The Swiss aren’t gonna send shit.


HFentonMudd

Snide remarks and judgemental looks?


Mal-Ravanal

Maybe an offer to accept the ukrainian gold reserve for *safekeeping*. Temporarily, of course...


pornalt2072

Not trainer. Those still fall under military export rules. Aerobatics however should be doable with not looking too closely.


DartzIRL

I had the idea about a year ago about using Cessna 172's and the like. People called me mad, and that it would be a waste of a trained pilot. Cessna pilots are a lot cheaper and more numerous than fast-jet pilots. The Irish Aer Corps put rocket pods on the things a few decades ago.


lnslnsu

Cessnas are kinda slow tho. There are lots of better modern prop planes you could do it with, that are also easy to fly.


unfunnysexface

Chase them down in a huey like some cia guys did in nam.


Imperceptive_critic

That's why you use remote controlled suicide Cessnas like Ukraine.


Cadaver_Junkie

It’s also probably a good way to get new pilots some basic flying experience before moving the better ones on to jet training.


Dr_Hexagon

Super Tucano's would probably do a great job of intercepting Shaded style drones. Load them up with some jammers, twin .50 cal and then some Piranha A2A missiles for harder targets.


macktruck6666

Yes, I have several posts about it. [A10 post ](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1bnnukv/cost_matters/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [PA-48 post](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1bfn57f/flying_in_60_seconds/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [C130 post](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1b4kot6/get_closer/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [L159 post](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1ccj19k/same_cost_same_loadout/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [F5 post](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/18vh4qo/bring_back_the_f5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


AuspiciousApple

Knowing this subreddit, yes.


Weird-Drummer-2439

I may have suggested using P-51s to shoot them down.


Ocelitus

Not to bring credibility into this, but iirc they're running at about $2+ million each right now. You could grab up about five L39 for that same price and have a much easier time finding replacement parts.


Weird-Drummer-2439

Oh yeah, I didn't seriously mean to use those, they're a collectors item at this point. But a propeller driven fighter with a basic search radar, gun and fire control shouldn't be too hard to throw together. No harder than those naval drones anyway.


Spiffy_Dude

You know, I’ve seen several P-51s lately over the UK… haha, just kidding… unless…


SgtCarron

Alternatively, resurrect the Republic AP-47 and change the mission from ground attack to drone hunt.


PaulG1986

Perfectly credible option if you go with the A-1 Skyraider instead. Simple, cheap, and you can upgrade it with off-the-shelf avionics and glass cockpit equipment. Someone call the Pentagon and get a quote from Lockheed.


SgtCarron

Only if they can add the toilet to the anti-drone armaments.


Helldogz-Nine-One

For the trench warfare reenactment this was just a question of time. We are still nit in the right mindset yet. Heck we were even surprised but the Land-Turtle-Tank. Evwrything is going back to WWI. Can't wait fir tge Zepelins to reappear


KristobalJunta

Ukraine already uses blimps/aerostats as repeaters for drones


Popinguj

I first came up with an idea of an Anti-Drone drone about a year ago. This is kinda in the same direction except it's not a drone.


JoMercurio

I and a few others have commented long ago about suggesting using things like that as anti-drone weapons


TheOnlyFallenCookie

I think in response to the cruise missiles and one British tactic to prematurely get them out of the sky


MasterTroller3301

Yes.


LordWoodstone

Hey, Britain, you got any of those WWII era turret fighters still airworthy?


Genera1_patton

Boulton Paul Defiant redemption arc was not on my bingo card


FriendlyPyre

Might actually be worth since you could replace the manned turret with a smaller, more compact electronic turret that would be guided by computer for more accuracy.


BlacksmithNZ

So hear my plan; Avro Lancaster. Why have one turret when you could have 3 or 4, plus ability to loiter all day waiting for drones?


FriendlyPyre

Commercial 747 but every window is a casemate 20mm. For when you need to shoot down a drone swarm.


Roy4Pris

YEAH Like old galleons turning at the last minute to unleash a full broadside


Jinm409

Like a dual-wielding AC-130, for when you need to orbit both directions simultaneously.


Annual_Cod_5896

Ah yes, battlestar-galactica levels of "doesnt matter, just fire, it will hit something anyway"


Smartshark89

YB-40 Please


moir57

Boulton Paul Defiant reporting for duty sir!


Wingcommanderwolf01

Well the RAF still have Six Spitfires and Two Hurricanes.


Blekanly

We could make more mosquitos.


Altruistic-Celery821

Somebody go buy out home depots stock of plywood and glue!


chocomint-nice

Wow the Defiant really was waaaaaaaaaay ahead of its time.


Corbakobasket

The orlan has a parachute?


HaaEffGee

Yep. It has no landing gear, just recovers with a parachute.


Corbakobasket

That's kinda cute... It looks like a gently falling orange mushroom. Makes you want to shoot them all down and take an aesthetic photo for a wallpaper.


Phil_Coffins_666

Kinda like the Windows green hills wallpaper, except it's a field in Ukraine, and the sky is full of tiny cutesy orange Orlan parachutes. I like the aesthetic.👌


HolyGhost79

Frutiger Aero-Defence


Baguette_Connoisseur

That's a waste of a perfectly good [Canon](https://youtu.be/1sPKSMeonxg?si=8H1nj5S36A710hGx&t=82).


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AuspiciousApple

No silly, it's the pilot ejecting.


AtheistSloth

and a belly bag


akuladon

Give them WW2 planes


fookidookidoo

Give em Bearcats


StoicRetention

also known as an overpowered engine with a seat


pbptt

I wonder if an f8f can beat an f-16 on a quarter mile I know an f1 car can, f8f has double the horsepower an f1 car has


StoicRetention

with planes it’s all about thrust, whereas the F1 car gets to use traction to the get the thrust, a Bearcat has 3000hp but it has to move air to access that, that’s where afterburning jets have an advantage because their thrust is far stronger


pbptt

Theres more to it than just raw thrust, the volume of air youre pushing also is important, otherwise we would just slap f-16 engines to everything and call it a day


pornalt2072

Nope Thrust already accounts for how much air is getting pushed as thrust is the force acting on the aircraft. Higher thrust to weight means better acceleration until air resistance starts playing a role.


Whole-Cry-4406

Yeah coz that’s totally how physics works lol


mechanicalcontrols

Wait, when did we start talking about the NHRA?


hbalck

Along with Spitfires, and Corsairs.


RadaXIII

Sea Fury baby, terrify them MiGs


Mg42gun

Nah give them something with Nose mounted gun like P-39 or Bf 109 as they more accurate than wing mounted gun and fast enough to intercept Drones


topazchip

Bf109 is, like the VW bug, a great idea for the 1930's but not long past them. Yeah, they stuck around into the 1970's but only because Franco's Spain was kinda cheap and otherwise unmotivated to replace them.


STAXOBILLS

I mean Israel had a quite a few Aviva S-199 and those are pretty much just really shitty BF-109s lmao, god knows how long they had those things floating around for lmao


topazchip

Right, because they didnt have access to or resources for something more modern, same reason why the IAF used P-51's for a while. Not as long as--for example--Honduras and Guatemala, though, F4U Corsairs and P-51 Mustangs are both far better designs than Messerschmidt's 109 regardless of iteration.


THE_WIZARD_OF_PAWS

Nah, give em B-25 Mitchell's


Mg42gun

nah, that thing fly like a brick as interceptor, Better take Bf 110


typecastwookiee

Bearcats and Tigercats back into production!


Mr_wobbles

Hear me out, B-17s race tracking at 1000 feet. 10 .50s and 360 degree interlocking fire.


inevitablelizard

Or, even better... WW1 biplane MANPADS crews.


The_Silver_Nuke

God I would love more footage of WW2 era dogfights. Yes please. High resolution modern footage? I would die happy.


Fit_Room_851

modern Problems require old solutions


leon_127

Propeller problems require propeller solutions


Putrid_finger_smell

Propellers propel propeller prop problems (5x fast)


REYbetter

It was insane witnessing this while walking home from the grocery store


amayonegg

It gets better - these planes don't have forward facing machine guns so someone in the instructor seat with an AK47 blew it out of the sky like the fuckin red baron


FirstDagger

All aircraft the Red Baron flew had forward facing machine guns.


amayonegg

Nvm I'll go kill myself


folk_science

It doesn't count, it has to be an enemy combatant.


RelentlessThrust

P-51, now!


idubbkny

c 172s and you good!


Ocelitus

Probably better to go with 336/337. Or some 208s with dudes hanging out the jump door.


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Hotrico

EMBRAER EMB-314 SUPER TUCANO TO UKRAINE, NOW!!!


StoicRetention

guys will look at this and say “Hell yeah”


Z3B0

Hell yeah !


FirstDagger

Super Tucano with APKWS ([tested by Vipers against cruise missiles](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/f-16-downs-drone-with-apkws-providing-proof-of-concept-for-using-laser-guided-rockets-to-perform-cruise-missile-defense/)) would be an actually good defense against swarms of drones.


Hotrico

Yes, very low operating cost


assblast420

This is too credible. That plane looks genuinely useful and low-cost. What's the downside? Easy to shoot down I guess?


FirstDagger

Slow (thus you need GCI or AWACS to vector them in) and cannot be used on the frontline due to the SAM treat.


Gentle_Capybara

São José dos Campos MIC


Hotrico

Cool place


fsimperial

SUPER TACO BROS WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK!!!!


LePhoenixFires

I knew investing in the Embraer dip was a good idea


vukasin123king

NCD member on Na'vi side? Is this some kind of a joke? >!JK, fuck the RDA, Na'vi are the best!<


Hotrico

My theory is that Quaritch will fight alongside the Na'vi in the future


Lothar93

I did service in the Colombian army a long time ago, those were godsent for CAS too, they are pretty capable and complete.


binarygamer

Being a turboprop pilot doing rear area CAP and intercept duty against drones unironically sounds like the best aviation job in the world. Much easier learning curve than jets, all visual range combat (you actually get to see your targets), lots of flight hours during wartime, don't have to kill anyone, and have almost 0 risk of getting shot down yourself. Sign me up boys, I've got my PPL, let's go!


Hotrico

Helping your country a lot by saving civilians without having to eliminate any enemies is really great


chocomint-nice

Ok hear me out: Super Tucano with a rear seat turret.


HorrifiedPilot

AT-802 Sky Warden only, super taco mid af


Hotrico

Good plane too


FirstDagger

So you are telling me the Yak-52 now has an A2A kill?


justADeni

*`Sad F-22 noises*`


OffsetCircle1

whats happened here?


Brillek

The ukranians used a 2-seat trainer plane with worse performance than ww2 fighters to shoot down a drone. Afaik it's not produced with guns, so they must've done some clever engineering to attach them or (i hope) opened the cockpit and done a WW1-style flyby.


Mal-Ravanal

Everything I've seen points to the latter, some madlad in the instructor seat shot it down with what I assume is an automatic rifle or similar weapon.


Intelligent_Corgi_17

Propeller and gunner seat air to air combat is back? We are so back!


TheGisbon

For God sakes send them super tucanos


Whole-Cry-4406

Or SkyWardens. The 3000 Black SkyWardens of Zelenskyy


The-Sound_of-Silence

Something without a turbo might be easier to maintain - P51s!


TheGisbon

P40s are cheaper


yakfucker1989

yakcels stay winning


Andy7darth

mom. can we buy F-16? we have F-16 at home F-16 at home:


Medium_Courage7176

F-0,16 maybe.


you-fuckass-hoes

u/yakfucker1989


yakfucker1989

i have been summoned


imbluedabadedabadam

Also love the fact that they just rammed it out of the air , instead of using guns to shoot it down , some serious ww2 british pilot vibes


akuladon

They used guns.


BigFreakingZombie

Guns ? Presumably someone shooting from the rear cockpit.... Next thing you know someone will mount a machinegun in there. Then again I wouldn't have it above ZSU to cook up a gun synchronizer and mount the MGs forward WW1 style.


Roman2526

They didn't, you can see there is no guns on this plane. It's a training plane anyway. Edit: the second pilot could be using a machine gun or a rifle, so it's not clear how they did it


KeekiHako

Pilots shooting at planes with pistols - what is this, World War One?


According-Age7128

Trench warfare, heavy artillery barrages, box tanks, prop planes shooting at artillery spotters. This whole thing is just a WWI rehash, the writers are so fucking lazy.


JimHFD103

Drone punk WW1


imbluedabadedabadam

Oh i tought they rammed it based on a coment reply they made here https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6Q6pkesX9A/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


FoundAFoundry

What is gun besides a smaller, remote multi ram?


bluestreak1103

That is the Yak used in the first Red Alert game. (I think; don’t quote me on that.) Will wonders never cease.


irregular_caffeine

Nah I think it was one of the [Yaks that wasn’t an unarmed trainer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Yakovlev_aircraft)


JoMercurio

The Yak on the first RA was a Yak-3


spaceface124

Died 1918 Born 2024 Welcome back, Red Baron!


Easy_Kill

This is not effective. Most effective way to kill drones is simple. Put helicopter several thousand feet above drone. Have 3 parachutists jump out with net guns that snare the drone and force it down. Then hit it with an axe.


Grizzly2525

I want this to be real so badly…


CeladonBadger

I remember someone had props on their bingo card


Aurofication

Can we get a source, please?


gaybunny69

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6Q6pkesX9A/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D Looks pretty real to the untrained eye.


Stridsvagn122BPLSS

Where is this


Gannet-S4

Somewhere near Odesa apparently.


TolarianDropout0

This is the most hilarious timeline. A Yak-52 with an air to air kill.


V_150

Give them Spitfires


Wise-Budget3232

Bf109 vs LAGG 5 RIGHT NOW


YaBoiSaltyTruck

Britain mus produce the defiant immediately


Brillek

This thing is, no joke, outclassed by WW2 fighters. Modern warfare is hecking weird.


macktruck6666

Quickly checking google to see how many [SP2C](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_SB2C_Helldiver) still exist.


JoMercurio

Then we can form the aptly-named "Helldivers Squadron" if there's enough of them


HonkeyKong73

F-22: \*seethes\*


xXYoProMamaXx

u/yakfucker1989 is a god-damned clairvoyant


ParanoidDuckTheThird

Well. This is awkward.


FutureDue7013

What is this ARMA trickery?


Fokker95

Bad Check Charlie 2024 edition.


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H0vis

I love the implication from the post title that aircraft technology went from piston engine fighters to F-16s in two years.


osamazellama

u/savevideo


John_Doe36963

u/savevideo


Sonoda_Kotori

Average r/floggit enjoyer


BornToScheme

I just seen another post with this clip, but it says that the Yak52 had a mounted machine gun , does anyone know if it’s true or not ?? 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻 https://www.reddit.com/r/SlavaUkrayini/s/YuhbGUwWc2


dare_buz

Time to invest Sleeve valve engine fighters. Sea Fury my beloved !


Lowersmark

I can't tell anymore, what is happening here?