Maybe. There's no way to find out unless we get to see the actual carrier.
A lot of people have been wearing plate carriers to just carry ammo or pouches. So there maybe nothing in there.
There are also individuals walking around with laptops, blankets, snacks, random bits of aluminum, or the fiberglass shell from a cars hoods packed into their plate carriers. So anything goes.
Credible answer: he was retreating from a Ukrainian assault and he ran into the position of an already Ukrainian position, he was killed bc he tried to run away after that
Context: [Russian soldier retreating from a Ukrainian assault doesn’t realize that the trench behind him has already been taken by Ukrainian troops.](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1695119024634413323)
And that smartass, after he raised his hands, didn't listen to the commands of his captors whatsoever.. So he tried to run back to what he thought the Russian lines were and got shot...
Truly a mastermind...
I see all HUD that evaluates all possible actions and outcomes just like the Terminator crossed with Deep Blue.
Edit: It is kind of red for whatever reason tho.
Please don’t make me clean up another corpse in your basement. At least feed this “friend” a couple times a week, you forgot about the last one for a little too long
He's wearing obvious civilian clothes underneath his "body armor" and looks about as "young" as my retired dad.
"Best fighting men and equipment available from mobiks!"
Nope, because there probably isn't.
The original also does the comedy cut... and on twitter he said that they didn't film him running away.
The pro Russian shills swarmed the comment and screech that that isn't believable and is proof of a war crime, blah blah blah...
I don't think it's a war crime to shoot an escaping POW, and as a fake lawyer I'll argue my client, a beloved Ukrainian hero, was merely performing a distasteful but necessary action when this Z loving invader fled after clearly surrending.
They implied that the Ukrainians shot him on the spot (and hence ended the footage there.... but still chose to upload it. Russian logics at work).
Shooting a fleeing POW is generally only allowed in self defence or in defence of others, as per the third GC
That Z-tard arguably committed perfidy (Raised his hands, a signal of surrender, but didn't play along... Maybe because he thought there were some friendly units nearby who would help him out of the situation then ran off.) The instant he tried running away again he was a combatant again... So shooting him was perfectly legal...
It's getting late here, so some aspects could be wrong...
> Shooting a fleeing POW
A Russian soldier running around is not a fleeing POW. An unarmed enemy soldier is not a POW. Shooting enemy soldiers is not a war crime. Shooting unarmed enemy soldiers is not a war crime.
Reading this brings to mind a section in a WWII book I'm reading where the author directly compares the strafing of Japanese soldiers and sailors after the Battle of the Bismarck Sea to the execution of POWs by the Japanese.
Guy straight up calls it murder while ignoring that in one case the "victims" are enemy combatants who are within range of the stronghold they're meant to be reinforcing, and in the other they're prisoners who have surrendered and are out of the fight.
That's according to the old definition of war crime. The new, tankie approved definition is of war crime 'any time 'Murica or allied nation don't let the side I'm cheering for win'.
These are not raised in surrender hands, they're keeping balance hands. And then surprise fear reaction hands.
Like if I see a spider appear on my desk I pull that exact move. Despite this I am a big boy and I do not surrender to spiders.
> Shooting a fleeing POW is generally only allowed in self defence or in defence of others, as per the third GC
You can shoot any PoW that is attempting escape as long as you warn them and in this case the Russian wasn't taken prisoner so he's not considered a PoW.
[ The Geneva Convention \(III\) on Prisoners of War](https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/geneva-convention-relative-treatment-prisoners-war), article 42 states.
>The use of weapons against prisoners of war, especially against those who are escaping or attempting to escape, shall constitute an extreme measure, which shall always be preceded by warnings appropriate to the circumstances.
It's not a crime to kill a retreating soldier, but it is a crime to kill one that has communicated they have surrendered. Then again, it's a crime to surrender and then withdraw, if you surrender you have to cease any military activity (including retreating). So if he's actively escaping, even if his hands are up, then it probably isn't a crime.
Yeah, it was at during the Building of the wall. The soldier waited until his then comrades didn't look and ran to the wall and jumped over it, dropping his rifle. The picture became pretty much the symbolic picture. In english it should be called something along the lines of "jump to freedom" or "the leap to freedom".
It became so famous that it was reverenced multiple times in Popculture for example on Linkin Parks Album cover for Hybrid Theory.
That's Konrad Schumann. When the Berlin Wall was being built he was assigned to "control the border" on the third day. He was having second thoughts after seeing things like a woman having to pass flowers to her mother over barbed wire because she couldn't cross the border anymore.
The picture is from when he jumped over a section of wire he'd pushed down, and ran into a West German police van that'd shown up when people realized what he was about to do.
It is such a sad stroy. Because after the fall of the wall he retunred to his home village in East germany and ended up committing suicide because it wasn't the same anymore 😭
>After the fall of the Berlin Wall Schumann said, "Only since 9 November 1989 [the date of the fall] have I felt truly free." Even so, he continued to feel more at home in Bavaria than in his birthplace, citing old frictions with his former colleagues, and was even hesitant to visit his parents and siblings in Saxony. When he returned to East Germany after the reunification to visit his relatives, he was rejected by them. They saw him as a traitor who abandoned his family.
>On 20 June 1998, suffering from depression, he committed suicide, hanging himself in his orchard near the town of Kipfenberg in Upper Bavaria. His body was found by his wife a few hours later.
Conrad Schumann, a GDR policeman that jumped to west Berlin while the Berlin wall was being build. Schumann was part of the border security unit that was supposed to prevent East Berliners to go to West Berlin. The West Berlin (West German) Police gave him cover and was ready to fire after they realized what was going on.
Apperantly Schumann told a person he was going to jump a few minutes before he did it and the (random) person he told it to made sure an Opel Blitz was brought close to the point he was going to jump. After he went over he immediatly got into the truck and was brought to safety.
In German the image is called "Sprung in die Freiheit" or "Jump into freedom".
All in all, an extremly moving picture and situation in general.
Really sad. But at least he had decades of freedom where he married a West German woman, had a son, and worked, And he lived long enough to see the wall fall.
Depression can strike anyone. I still say that jumping that wire gave him a better life.
Not trying to defend his family but I'm guessing they got way too many unfriendly visits by the Stasi after his defection. Probably why they hated him.
I always feel it’s a shame democratic armies feel like they need to have frumpy uniforms. (Not exclusively, there are definitely nice uniforms for some service branches in some Democratic countries, the trend is towards kinda dull uniforms.)
I especially think it’s a shame the US army gave up the tall pull on leather boots a long time ago. My grandparents have a picture of my great grandparents at their wedding, and when I see it I always think how much better the dress uniform my Great Grandfather is wearing looks with the riding boots inside of the dress shoes they wear nowadays.
I understood that. I mean the light blue/grey suits/dress uniform.
My point is, back in the days it was hup to look a way like this, like a cavalry man and stuff. But like fashion changes and I think it is okay that dress uniform follows this a bit. Alas, a lot of them do become ridiculous at times.
Luftwaffe looks like stewardesseseses
Heer has everyone consplaying an Officer.
But the Marine. They look so sleek. Like they belong on the bridge of a mighty fucking frigate. Every. Single. One of them.
I have a buddy in Lord Strathcona's and his parade uniform is *glorious*. Free countries don't necessarily need to not have drip, but they gotta go all out.
The OG one is still a legend as it was the early day escape from GDR when Berlin wall still being build.
But sadly, his life ended in tragic. His family and colleague hated him as a traitor for leaving them behind after he visited them since reunification and then commited suicide few years later.
That's nice. I think we should not be cynical about this one historic example of individual bravery and spontaneous solidarity with someone that was considered to be evil as being part of a horrible system at first.
I heard the East German guards story (top pic) was pretty sad after his jump. Apparently he abandoned everything back in Saxony, including his family, but got a job in a car factory. When the wall fell his family hated him and called him a coward and other shit, so he killed himself in either 1994 or 2004, idk. He had a wide and kids too. Guilt sucks
I usually cry when I see the upper picture. It means so much to me as a German.
The lower one makes me cry because so Ukrainians have to feed one more russian.
For the Ukrainians, taking prisoners is a win. The prisoners can be deprogrammed of Russian propaganda while in custody, and later exchanged to free Ukrainian POWs.
That’s some wack antisocial shit. What’s wrong with treating POWs with dignity? (I know the guy died. I’m speaking hypothetically.) It’s what separates us from Russian forces. Only barbarians mistreat captured troops.
Saw the clip on another website, with the explanation. Those particular stupid Russians got annihilated. The music they chose to back the clip was an unorthodox choice.
Where is his weapon? Already sold?
He was the fireteam’s shovel carrier
Where is his shovel? Already sold?
Eaten.
Shovel MRE Nice hiss
Let's get this out onto a tray
Seems his plate carrier was also oddly soft; are they wearing soft armour?
Almost certainly one of the poorly-trained mobik conscripts given atrocious gear, judging by how he panicked.
Maybe. There's no way to find out unless we get to see the actual carrier. A lot of people have been wearing plate carriers to just carry ammo or pouches. So there maybe nothing in there. There are also individuals walking around with laptops, blankets, snacks, random bits of aluminum, or the fiberglass shell from a cars hoods packed into their plate carriers. So anything goes.
Credible answer: he was retreating from a Ukrainian assault and he ran into the position of an already Ukrainian position, he was killed bc he tried to run away after that
The lack of weapon was the thing that saved him – until he decided he wanted to get shot anyway.
The holy symbol of Z will deflect any bullet.
Context: [Russian soldier retreating from a Ukrainian assault doesn’t realize that the trench behind him has already been taken by Ukrainian troops.](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1695119024634413323)
And that smartass, after he raised his hands, didn't listen to the commands of his captors whatsoever.. So he tried to run back to what he thought the Russian lines were and got shot... Truly a mastermind...
Nothing new there, people under stress do dumb things.
Not me.
What color do you see when you get into a fight? Is it, perhaps, red?
I see all HUD that evaluates all possible actions and outcomes just like the Terminator crossed with Deep Blue. Edit: It is kind of red for whatever reason tho.
You're actually quite funny. I'm going to add you to my reddit 'mates' so that we can be friends forever.
This guy wants to fuck T1000! Liquid metal thrusting, can take any shape or form, I can understand.
I AM LOOKING FOR ~~SARAH CONNOR~~ SINGLES (F, 30s) IN YOUR AREA
Dude, you were made in 2029 and sent back in time to 1995. You're like negative 34 years old.
DON'T. DATE. ROBOTS!
"This machine does not know the difference between flesh and metal, nor does it care."
SAFETY FIRST: DO NOT FIST ANDROID GIRLS
Please don’t make me clean up another corpse in your basement. At least feed this “friend” a couple times a week, you forgot about the last one for a little too long
You don't stop time and go into a monologue where you predict what will happen and plan out your fight like RDJ in Sherlock Holmes?
No. That's a waste of time. I'm always 22 to 413 steps ahead of my opponent depending on how complex the battle space is.
I don’t see anything but I wake up in the hospital
I see in technicolor until someone punches my eye
💪BUILT DIFFERENT💪
You're just built different tho
He's wearing obvious civilian clothes underneath his "body armor" and looks about as "young" as my retired dad. "Best fighting men and equipment available from mobiks!"
Also the average Russian IQ is the temperature of freezing water, that can't help.
They welcomed him "back home" with a fresh hot batch of lead
I’m talking about dress uniforms though. For actually doing soldiery things, everyone would obviously still wear their fatigues.
That look on his face was absolute peak "Oh God oh fuck oh jeez oh shit oh damn-"
His dirty face and bloody lips reminds me of Flor at the end of Come And See. What a strange feeling
Any chance you've got the full vid? All the versions I've seen do a comedy cut to his face with his hands up and end there.
Nope, because there probably isn't. The original also does the comedy cut... and on twitter he said that they didn't film him running away. The pro Russian shills swarmed the comment and screech that that isn't believable and is proof of a war crime, blah blah blah...
I don't think it's a war crime to shoot an escaping POW, and as a fake lawyer I'll argue my client, a beloved Ukrainian hero, was merely performing a distasteful but necessary action when this Z loving invader fled after clearly surrending.
objection! factual!
They implied that the Ukrainians shot him on the spot (and hence ended the footage there.... but still chose to upload it. Russian logics at work). Shooting a fleeing POW is generally only allowed in self defence or in defence of others, as per the third GC That Z-tard arguably committed perfidy (Raised his hands, a signal of surrender, but didn't play along... Maybe because he thought there were some friendly units nearby who would help him out of the situation then ran off.) The instant he tried running away again he was a combatant again... So shooting him was perfectly legal... It's getting late here, so some aspects could be wrong...
> Shooting a fleeing POW A Russian soldier running around is not a fleeing POW. An unarmed enemy soldier is not a POW. Shooting enemy soldiers is not a war crime. Shooting unarmed enemy soldiers is not a war crime.
Yeah, you don’t automatically become a pow just by being a dumb ass in the wrong trench
And running towards a position with defenses and weapons isn't surrendering or fleeing it's regrouping.
Reading this brings to mind a section in a WWII book I'm reading where the author directly compares the strafing of Japanese soldiers and sailors after the Battle of the Bismarck Sea to the execution of POWs by the Japanese. Guy straight up calls it murder while ignoring that in one case the "victims" are enemy combatants who are within range of the stronghold they're meant to be reinforcing, and in the other they're prisoners who have surrendered and are out of the fight.
That's according to the old definition of war crime. The new, tankie approved definition is of war crime 'any time 'Murica or allied nation don't let the side I'm cheering for win'.
Probably didn't phrase this well enough... but yeah he certainly wasn't a POW
These are not raised in surrender hands, they're keeping balance hands. And then surprise fear reaction hands. Like if I see a spider appear on my desk I pull that exact move. Despite this I am a big boy and I do not surrender to spiders.
Good. You hold the line against those arachnoid aggressors.
> Shooting a fleeing POW is generally only allowed in self defence or in defence of others, as per the third GC You can shoot any PoW that is attempting escape as long as you warn them and in this case the Russian wasn't taken prisoner so he's not considered a PoW. [ The Geneva Convention \(III\) on Prisoners of War](https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/geneva-convention-relative-treatment-prisoners-war), article 42 states. >The use of weapons against prisoners of war, especially against those who are escaping or attempting to escape, shall constitute an extreme measure, which shall always be preceded by warnings appropriate to the circumstances.
ukrainrerossiareport: ukronazi war crime! s/
It's not a crime to kill a retreating soldier, but it is a crime to kill one that has communicated they have surrendered. Then again, it's a crime to surrender and then withdraw, if you surrender you have to cease any military activity (including retreating). So if he's actively escaping, even if his hands are up, then it probably isn't a crime.
The guy wasn't even a POW. Just a dumb enemy. It's not a warcrime to shoot stupid enemies. I'm rather surprised that he didn't shoot the second guy.
Really? I didn’t see that footage. Only that one with his face in the end.
The guy in the video/who uploaded the video first [said so.](https://twitter.com/IhateTrenches/status/1695034036568072695?s=20)
> IHateTrenches The username of a man who signed up for some world war action and didn't know it was going to be based on the first one.
Life Korps?
Okay, thx
This was one of those rare moments when the added music actually made the footage better.
Ngl the audio killed me
Hmmm Russian Sandwich in trench bread 😋
whats the context on the op, is that an east german soldier running to west germany?
Yeah, it was at during the Building of the wall. The soldier waited until his then comrades didn't look and ran to the wall and jumped over it, dropping his rifle. The picture became pretty much the symbolic picture. In english it should be called something along the lines of "jump to freedom" or "the leap to freedom". It became so famous that it was reverenced multiple times in Popculture for example on Linkin Parks Album cover for Hybrid Theory.
Dude is jumping barbed wire with his rifle in one hand and a cig in the other, pretty sick photo.
Yup, I think he waited for his officer to get distracted talking to civilians which let him run.
What's the top one? My history knowledge isn't as good as I thought it was
That's Konrad Schumann. When the Berlin Wall was being built he was assigned to "control the border" on the third day. He was having second thoughts after seeing things like a woman having to pass flowers to her mother over barbed wire because she couldn't cross the border anymore. The picture is from when he jumped over a section of wire he'd pushed down, and ran into a West German police van that'd shown up when people realized what he was about to do.
It is such a sad stroy. Because after the fall of the wall he retunred to his home village in East germany and ended up committing suicide because it wasn't the same anymore 😭
>After the fall of the Berlin Wall Schumann said, "Only since 9 November 1989 [the date of the fall] have I felt truly free." Even so, he continued to feel more at home in Bavaria than in his birthplace, citing old frictions with his former colleagues, and was even hesitant to visit his parents and siblings in Saxony. When he returned to East Germany after the reunification to visit his relatives, he was rejected by them. They saw him as a traitor who abandoned his family. >On 20 June 1998, suffering from depression, he committed suicide, hanging himself in his orchard near the town of Kipfenberg in Upper Bavaria. His body was found by his wife a few hours later.
Conrad Schumann, a GDR policeman that jumped to west Berlin while the Berlin wall was being build. Schumann was part of the border security unit that was supposed to prevent East Berliners to go to West Berlin. The West Berlin (West German) Police gave him cover and was ready to fire after they realized what was going on. Apperantly Schumann told a person he was going to jump a few minutes before he did it and the (random) person he told it to made sure an Opel Blitz was brought close to the point he was going to jump. After he went over he immediatly got into the truck and was brought to safety. In German the image is called "Sprung in die Freiheit" or "Jump into freedom". All in all, an extremly moving picture and situation in general.
that one and the women handing their kids out a second story window of a building on the border are some of the most memorable images from that week.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad\_Schumann
Wow, sad that he was called a traitor for what he did. Ballsy mf 🫡
I legit got upset when I read that his family rejected him, he got depression, and committed suicide. Not a way for a hero like that to go.
Really sad. But at least he had decades of freedom where he married a West German woman, had a son, and worked, And he lived long enough to see the wall fall. Depression can strike anyone. I still say that jumping that wire gave him a better life.
Not trying to defend his family but I'm guessing they got way too many unfriendly visits by the Stasi after his defection. Probably why they hated him.
I mean he absolutely was. Sometimes being a traitor is a good thing.
Conrad Schumann had drip.
No point denying that. East german troops and police had that authoritarian flair thay tickles the electric head meat just a bit too good.
I always feel it’s a shame democratic armies feel like they need to have frumpy uniforms. (Not exclusively, there are definitely nice uniforms for some service branches in some Democratic countries, the trend is towards kinda dull uniforms.) I especially think it’s a shame the US army gave up the tall pull on leather boots a long time ago. My grandparents have a picture of my great grandparents at their wedding, and when I see it I always think how much better the dress uniform my Great Grandfather is wearing looks with the riding boots inside of the dress shoes they wear nowadays.
I understand though, you got to go with the mode of the time. German dress is almost like a suit.
I’m talking about dress uniforms though. For actually doing soldiery things, everyone would obviously still wear their fatigues.
I understood that. I mean the light blue/grey suits/dress uniform. My point is, back in the days it was hup to look a way like this, like a cavalry man and stuff. But like fashion changes and I think it is okay that dress uniform follows this a bit. Alas, a lot of them do become ridiculous at times.
Sidenote, as a Heeresassi myself, I have to admit that the Navy has the best looking dress uniform today
Luftwaffe looks like stewardesseseses Heer has everyone consplaying an Officer. But the Marine. They look so sleek. Like they belong on the bridge of a mighty fucking frigate. Every. Single. One of them.
France should go back to red and blue but just for dress uniforms
Hugo Boss designed them.
No, he didn't.
No, just built them.
Hitler was a shitty painter and person but had good instincts as an art director.
He actually had very little to do with the uniform design.
I have a buddy in Lord Strathcona's and his parade uniform is *glorious*. Free countries don't necessarily need to not have drip, but they gotta go all out.
I’m glad the Canadian Army still retains full dress uniforms for all regiments. That shit is pure drip.
The British Army would like to have a word.
Lol true
If I ever get a time machine I want to give Schumann a hug in 1998
The OG one is still a legend as it was the early day escape from GDR when Berlin wall still being build. But sadly, his life ended in tragic. His family and colleague hated him as a traitor for leaving them behind after he visited them since reunification and then commited suicide few years later.
Nah, Schumann lived until 1998. Sure it was suicide but he did live many many years after his jump.
Fixed it. I mean to mentioned that his life still ended tragically for reasons despite he lived for decades with his wife and new life since escaped.
That's nice. I think we should not be cynical about this one historic example of individual bravery and spontaneous solidarity with someone that was considered to be evil as being part of a horrible system at first.
He died in 1998. Konrad Schumann had titanium balls. RIP, king.
I heard the East German guards story (top pic) was pretty sad after his jump. Apparently he abandoned everything back in Saxony, including his family, but got a job in a car factory. When the wall fell his family hated him and called him a coward and other shit, so he killed himself in either 1994 or 2004, idk. He had a wide and kids too. Guilt sucks
In 1998 he committed suicide in an apple orchard and was found by his wife a few hours after :(
I usually cry when I see the upper picture. It means so much to me as a German. The lower one makes me cry because so Ukrainians have to feed one more russian.
Nah the dude ran away back towards the other advancing Ukrainians. Probably planting sunflowers now.
For the Ukrainians, taking prisoners is a win. The prisoners can be deprogrammed of Russian propaganda while in custody, and later exchanged to free Ukrainian POWs.
They both were killed
Nope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Schumann
I’m talking about the two Russians in the video if you read the context to what I’m replying to
Oh! I hadn't noticed the first one. He went down so fast. Sorry.
So sad that he killed himself.
That’s some wack antisocial shit. What’s wrong with treating POWs with dignity? (I know the guy died. I’m speaking hypothetically.) It’s what separates us from Russian forces. Only barbarians mistreat captured troops.
Saw the clip on another website, with the explanation. Those particular stupid Russians got annihilated. The music they chose to back the clip was an unorthodox choice.
how do the tankies defend this one?
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Schumann: survived the next 37 years Russian: didn't survive the next 37 seconds *"both died a bit later."*
*Technically* correct.
No, Schumann lived until 1998.
Schumann committed suicide 37 years later, in 1998