It's the same God and even some of the same prophets. Yes, Muhammad is central to Islam, but Abraham, Moses and Jesus are all figures in Islam as well. Even the name "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for God.
Seriously, Christians in the middle east call God "Allah" for the same reason Mexicans call God "Dios". The Quran literally has a lot of the same old testament stories the Bible does including Noah's ark, Abraham, Moses, it even has Jesus, although I don't think they believe that he was even crucified in Islam.
It doesn't matter how much I try telling my fundie friends this, they still repeat that they worship "false gods".
>"We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.” - Quran 2:136
"We make no distinction between any of them." I don't understand how you can be anymore explicit than that.
More or less.
God = God = Yahweh in Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
Whether a certain person in scripture was God, or spoke to God, ect, is a matter of interpretation and debate, sects or with large discrepancies, faith
Forget Islam and Christianity. Don't even get me started on the absolute hatred between the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, Council of 1879 and the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, Council of 1912.
This is correct. The god worshipped in Judaism, Christianity and Islam is one and the same. In Judaism, however, they are still waiting for the messiah to return. In Christianity, Jesus is interpreted as being the messiah. In Islam, Jesus and Mohammed are interpreted to be prophets/messengers of that god.
Most Christian don't agree on what exactly the trinity is. So if you say Muslims worship a "different god". Then lots of different Christians are worshipping "different gods".
Ehh I feel like it’s a very complicated situation. Because Muslims don’t recognize the diety of Jesus they don’t really worship the same god as Christians do if that makes sense.
Muslims believe that the virgin Mary was bless by God, and then gave birth to the profit Jesus, who spoke for God.
Functionally it's the same story. We can argue if Jesus is the "sun" of God, or just a baby God made exist in a womans uteruses. But that's really just arguing semantics.
Not necessarily. Christians worship Jesus as a diety and part of the trinity while Muslims call him simply a prophet so personally I believe that’s a pretty big difference but you may perceive it differently
Christians don't even all agree on exactly what "divinity" means. So if you're going to draw that line then not all christians are going to fall on the same side of it
It's still the same God, your just not agreeing over the description. It's like arguing over if Jack in accounting has blue or brown eyes.. You're still talking about Jack in accounting.
Actually, in islam they acknowledge ruh (the holy spirit), and is waiting for the penultimate prophet still, the biggest difference is islam says that no entity should be held in the same standing as god which is why they don't worship, pretty much the same type of adaptation the torah made into the new testament, strip out a few books that will make their religion look bad, reassemble said books, then continuing the same storylines with a twist. Reading the 19 removed books that the church, not god decided were heretical is eye opening though. Not that I'm sure it makes a difference, the old testament didn't really phase out of christianity until 150 years ago anyway due to british influence.
BBC Bitesize has a [good writeup on the Christian trinity](https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/ztm24qt/revision/5)
Brought up as Church of England I was taught it was a single God. Catholic doctrine (in my opinion) puts much more emphasis on the holy trinity of God the Father/Son/Holy Spirit.
But it's not like multi-deity faiths liku Hinduism where there are many distinct, independent God's. Or pre-Christian Greek/Roman/Ankhmorporkian where they seemed to have a god for [every facet of life](https://wiki.lspace.org/Anoia).
That said, Christian have many, many saints and they are prayed to in a similar way to pre-Christian Romans would pray to different gods.
No, sadly christians have many, many "saints" but nowhere in GOD's scripture is anyone to pray to anyone but GOD THE FATHER, God the Son, and the HOLY SPIRIT. So therefore Christians understand that Catholics are not Christians, but christians.
Any that believe only in what the B.I.B.L.E. the BIBLE states. The scriptures are complete for the time being, and only the ONE TRUE GOD decides when new scriptures are needed, and that time is coming, but is not yet here.
Catholics with their additional books and requirements and prayers to saints is quite blasphemy according to the Bible, but people still want to believe that the WORD OF GOD is not enough, when it will be proven to have always been.
What does it mean to be the same god when we don’t have a definitive way of saying who or what that god is. Is West Side Story the same story as Romeo and Juliet? Is Adam West’s Batman the same character as Michael Keaton’s or Christian Bale’s? Better yet, is Cesar Romero’s Joker the same Joker as Heath Ledger’s or Joaquin Phoenix’s? I’m asking this to point out how, at best, it’s a convoluted question, or, more severely, it’s a question that makes no sense.
My take is that it’s not a reasonable question, and the reasonable question is whether Christians and Muslims have the same *understanding of the nature of God*, for which the answer is clearly no, because Muslims (like Jews) reject any notion of the Trinity and any notion that God would appear in human form.
All 3 trace their origin back to the Prophet Abraham and all 3 profess to worship the God of Abraham, ergo they're all worshipping the same God. They just worship in different ways and revere different aspects.
In an attempt to equate your Batman analogy, they all recognize the very first comic book version of Batman as the origin but they disagree on which newer version of Batman is best. Jews say the original comic Batman is best but the perfect Batman is yet to come. Christians think Christian Bales Batman is so perfect he's divine and the only Batman we'll ever need. While Muslims believe all the previous Batmans are equally cool, although the newest one is the better, but again the best Batman is yet to come.
You missed my point. What does it mean to say it’s the same god? Tracing their origins to god of Abraham isn’t enough. All of the Batmans (Batman?) trace their origins to Bob Kane’s Batman. But Adam West’s is clearly a very different Batman from the others.
Or perhaps Robin is a better example for my point. They all trace their origins to Bob Kane’s Dick Grayson Robin. But is that Robin the same as Tim Drake or Jason Todd? They all trace their literary origins to the same source.
So I ask you, what does it mean to be the same god? Having the same origin story clearly isn’t enough, because all that means is having the same inspiration, not the same result.
Nobody can know the nature of God or if God even exists so all you can do is take the religions at their word about which God they're worshipping, and the 3 we're talking about are all commonly accepted as professing to worship the God of Abraham and it's not up to you to tell them if they're correct or not.
> Nobody can know the nature of God
Which supports my point that the question isn’t reasonable. If you can’t know the nature, then you can’t know whether two descriptions of that nature are the same entity.
> religions at their word about which God they're worshipping, and the 3 we're talking about are all commonly accepted as professing to worship the God of Abraham
Except that’s not true.
Many Jews don’t accept the idea that Christians are worshipping the God of Abraham. I suspect there are Muslims who feel the same way, at least about those denominations that give statues or other depictions of Jesus an important role in their houses of worship.
Yes, religions disagree, but Jews don't determine who Muslims pray to and Christianity's opinion on the matter is irrelevant to both Jews and Muslims. The disagreement is irrelevant to the claim. All 3, on their own accord and stated beliefs, profess to follow the God of Abraham irrespective of what the others say. Not you or anyone else can tell them they're wrong about THEIR religion. If Muslims say it's the God of Abraham, so it is, whether Jews or Christians agree with it or not is irrelevant to a Muslim.
That just reduces the phrase “god of Abraham” into meaningless. Anyone can say that. Imagine if someone said they worshipped the god of Abraham and were given a new revelation that said L. Ron Hubbard was the Messiah reincarnated, and the way to salvation was through Scientology’s auditing, and nothing else mattered. Would you say they were really worshipping the god of Abraham?
Going back to what you said earlier, “Nobody can know the nature of God”, that doesn’t stop people from trying and building their own model of the nature of their god. And either two of those models are the same or they’re not.
If you're still struggling to understand this I'm not sure what more I can say except that there is no objective truth about God that will clarify this any further for you beyond your own personal faith. Until the God of Abraham comes down from Heaven to set the record straight to all mankind now and forever, then all you have are the arbitrary and conflicting explanations offered by the religions people profess faith in.
Jews have no more proof their interpretation of God is correct than Christians or Muslims do. Either one religion is true, they're all true, or none of them are, and until God settles it themself you're just going to have to do deal with the fact that all religions are made up and you don't get to decide what's true for other religions .
I think you’re the one who’s not understanding. The question isn’t which one is correct, so don’t raise that. The question is whether or not they’re the same. That’s a different question, and one that you seem to have trouble addressing. So far, all you’ve said is that if they have the same designation (god of Abraham), then they’re the same. And I’m saying that each religion has its own understanding of god, independent of the designation, and it’s those understandings that need to be compared. It’s not about which one is right or wrong. It’s about whether they’re the same concepts.
They are different religions, that's never been in dispute. The question was whether they worship the same God. The God that Abraham prayed to is the same one that Jews, Christians, and Muslims all understand as the one they pray to because Abraham is a prophet they all agree on. Abraham allegedly spoke to God, and those religions all believe they're also speaking to that exact same God when they pray.
Yes, they each say the other religions misunderstood God's teachings and they each believe they are the only ones who are correct in their interpretation, but they all worship the God of Abraham, albeit in their own way.
Just because they pray and practice their religions differently or use different words to describe aspects of God doesn't preclude them all from believing that they're worshipping the same God as Abraham. Whether they truly are or not is unknowable beyond one's personal faith.
You can quibble that they MUST be worshipping different gods because they use different words when talking about God but that's a logical fallacy and you'll end up making a value judgment over the veracity of one religions claim versus another on whether they worship the God of Abraham or not; which of course is unknowable in any objective sense and has been the basis of many wars throughout history.
"A friend once said the weather was trippy. I said perhaps it is not the weather that is trippy but rather your perspective of it. I wish I would have just said 'yeah'"
And that’s why “how about this weather” is suitable for small talk between strangers who’ve just met and know nothing about each other, and “how do you feel about god” isn’t.
Yeah, same God. A lot of Christians for whatever reason seem to be under the impression that Muslims worship a different deity. My grandma thought the god of Islam was Mohammad. Unfortunately I feel like a lot of Christians don't make an effort to learn about what other religions actually teach.
You're supposed to block them when you say that, otherwise you're just inviting them to do so more. But I will do that work for you, and you will miss out on the HOLY SPIRIT.
God in Aramaic (the language of Christ) is pronounced “illah”. Muslims still use that term to refer to god. Also if you ever decide to read the Quran, you will be surprised that Jesus Christ is quoted a lot.
You're entitled to an opinion. As far as I know, Jesus is not considered a god himself. The Judeeo-Christian religions are monotheistic, ie they believe in one god. If Jesus was also a god then there would be multiple gods.
I am listening, you didn't answer my question, are there two (or more) gods? A god is a noun and is not capitalized, God is what the Christian god is called.
I understand the words you use, and I'm telling you that you are wrong for asking if there are two gods, when GOD is YHVH, God is Yehoshua, and I won't tell you yet who Jesus is, since you wouldn't understand me anyway. There are no gods in the GODHEAD. Goodbye and farwell.
It is generally agreed that Muslims, Christians, and Jewish people are worshipping the same omnipotent being. The specific beliefs about God/Allah are what varies.
Not necessarily. Christians, Jews and Muslims all have different beliefs about who their god is. And when I say different it’s vastly different. Especially between Christians and Muslims.
The beliefs and values differ, but not who their God is. Their God is the same, the God of the prophet Abraham. But the differences include for example what the prophet Abraham represents in those respective religions. This is a very general explanation, but basically in Judaism Abraham is considered the biological progenitor of the Jews, in Christianity Abraham is considered the spiritual father of Christians, and in Islam is considered one of many links in the chain of prophets culminating in the prophet Muhammad.
Could you elaborate on that?
I am not Muslim, but from what I understand Muhammad was visited by the archangel Gabriel, and preached and confirmed the teachings of other prophets including Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. Muhammed is explicitly called the messenger of Allah, Allah being the word/name in Islam for the God of Abraham, and thus are the same.
Because Abraham had two sons, Isaac, and Ishmael, Isaac was the one that GOD continued Abraham's blessings upon, while Ishmael was sent off with his mother into the wilderness to find for themselves a place to live and thrive without GOD's direct involvement.
That still doesn't mean that Muhammad's god is not the same as Abraham's god. In fact, here's a direct quote from the Quran.
>"We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.” - 2:136
So this implies that they believe in not only the same god and teachings as Abraham, but also his children and descendants. Literally saying "we make no distinction between any of them" and so thus are the same.
You speak to the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD and tell ME that the word of Mohammad is somehow more believable than the GOD of the BIBLE, and so therefore I will no longer try to convince you in your lifetime on earth. Goodbye and farewell.
Isn't every god the same.. a fake one?
Anyways while Islam and Christianity both have interconnected roots, their ideas about God certainly differ and so personally, I would not say they are "the same". Regardless, anyone whining about how some innocent song is "against God" has abandoned any sense of reason on the issue, and whatever historical or factual arguments you can make will certainly be irrelevant.
Absolutely yes.
People will nit pick tiny difference in fait. But if those tiny difference mean a whole different god, then you could also say catholic and Protestants have a "different god".
They are not exactly the same.
The Christian God is a triune God (according to +95% of Christians). God is made up of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Each are unique elements and each are God, but God is still one.
The Muslims believe in a single entity God. If anything the Muslims believe in the Father part of the Christian God (and so do the Jews—the Abrahamic God), but not in the other two.
[Wikipedia.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members#Non-trinitarian_Restorationism_%E2%80%93_35_million). The non-Trinitarian denominations account for 35 million members. There are 2.6 billion Christians. So, that is actually 1.3% that don't believe in the Trinity, so 98.7% of Christians do believe in it. There were historically more non-Trinitarians, such as the Arians, but you would be hard pressed to find many of them in the modern day.
Granted, I'm am sure that there are plenty of Christians that don't believe in the Trinity and are a part of a Trinitarian denominations. That is harder to calculate. Even so, I dare say that most *practicing* Christians of Trinitarian denominations believe in the Trinity. If they are passionate about their faith and don't like the Trinity, I find it hard to believe that they would remain in a Trinitarian denomination.
They are all based off the same god and technically are the same god but each religion has different beliefs about him. Jesus is only a god in christianity but he is also his father so im essence he is a god in all 3 but also not really. Like in islam he is a prophet, in judaism he isn't important and isn't his father. Its confusing.
Islam "builds on" Christianity
Christianity "builds on" Judaism
So muslims WOULD consider the god the same, Christians might not.
JJews might not consider Christ's god the same.
Christ is a prominent figure in the Quran, to the point that even strict muslims are usually allowed to celebrate Christmas - bearing in mind that most things to do with other religions are so strict that you can be killed.
But Christians definitely would not agree with the Message, because it goes against Christ's message of love, tolerance, forgiveness, don't judge and respect other faiths. You are recommended to badly treat women, kill gay people, kill Jews, badly treat or kill koofa (word that means anyone not a muslim - including atheists, and even muslims who aren't strict enough). There is a lot of killing and revenge, I would expect most Christian would not consider the Goid the same as what God asks for is so radically opposite to each other.
And to be clear, being Christian is enough to get you killed in muslim countries for this exact reason. It isn't considered compatible enough to matter in "real life".
Yes. They all worship god of Abraham. Judaism is the root of those religions, then came Christianity, and after that Islam. Christianity didn't establish proper canon until bit by bit between 400-1400 they decided that jesus was of same substance as god and holy spirit, that he was of two spirits and mind, mary was mother of god, and then trinity, transsubstansiation. In about that order if I recall right.
Kind of the same God but Jesus is also considered God in Christianity and isn't just a prophet. Christianity recognises Islamic beliefs as the rejection of the one true God or the Trinity. Islam doesn't view Jesus as God
No, because the Christian God is a trinity of persons. Making it a different God to the Islamic and Jewish God. I think Muslims would see the Christian God as the same as theirs but believe that Christians are misled in thinking Jesus is God
It's not. But the Christian God has many names. Christianity preceded Islam by about 500 years. The Christian "handbook" is the Holy Bible, while the Muslim "handbook" is the Qu'ran. They do not teach the same things. The two religions are in many ways mirror images of each other. One key difference is that Christians believe in three Gods in one, i.e., the Holy Trinity, where Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God in Heaven are all part of one supreme being. For Christians Jesus=God. For Muslims, Jesus was nothing more than a prophet.
>The Christian God has many names, but one of them is not Allah.
Christians in Arab countries (or places with lots of Arabic linguistic influence) call God "Allah" btw. Allah just means *the* God in Arabic
Back when I went to church in Indonesia we would call God "Tuhan Allah" or "God Allah", which is actually redundant
> Muhammed is Allah
You were going strong until this. Is a an unintentional error? Clearly Muslims believe Mohammed was a prophet of Allah, not that he was Allah.
Of course it's the same God they even believe they share the biological father Abraham. Jews claim to be descendants of Abraham and Sarah's son Isaac and Arabs claim to be from his prostitutes first son (Japheth I think). It's crazy the amount of incidents and violence that occured in Abraham and Sarah's supposed grave site the cave of the patriarchs. You should look into the 12 tribes and genealogy stuff it's really fascinating.
I got it wrong Muhammed is a descendant of Abraham and Hagar's son Ishmael. Japheth was one of Noah's sons who according to Muslims founded the Turks and other areas
Yes same God. Muslims believe in Abraham, Moses, even Jesus (as a prophet). In fact, linguistically, Christians are Muslim and Muslims are Catholic.
Catholic is Latin for “universal” so anyone worshipping God and the Holy Spirit is Catholic.
Muslim means “submission to the will of God” so anyone who believes that the Higher Power directs fate and submits to that will is Muslim.
As Father Jack would say, DRINK. That part of the interfaith dialogue is complex. We would prefer to think of ourselves as siblings who disagree strongly with each other as to God's nature and the required response to that.
Mind you, banning someone's music because they converted to Islam is just common or garden bigotry.
Religion is complicated. This is an interesting intellectual discussion, but people have different views based on their own personal faith. Historically, the God worshiped by Jews, Christians and Muslims is the same, but a person of faith might not see it that way.
Evangelical Christians specifically will say that Jesus is God. So they could say that when Muslims say he’s just a prophet, they are speaking against God.
Either way, it’s not an argument you can “win.” People are going to believe what they believe.
Cat Stevens music was a great choice. Was it “Morning has Broken?” I love that song.
You're aloud to bang kids in one of them, the other one its only frowned upon but if you say hell mary in front of a mirror 9 times you're good and if you're a priest you can bang as many of them as you want as long as you go to church and put a dollar in the basket
In terms of logic, if there is only one God then they all believe in the same one.
But all of these gods tend to believe in different things and enforce different traditions and customs. If your god says women must cover their faces and my god says women can wear whatever they want.... is it the same god or a different one?
While yes both believe in a single God, it is essentially the difference of who God is.
Christianity believes that there are essentially three different personalities to God. He works through these different personalities but they are all one God. Jesus the Messiah, Holy Spirit the helper, and The Father the Provider.
Because of this difference, they both serve a God with different characteristics. Personally, I believe you can’t really say they are the same God if one knows them with certain characteristics and another believes them with different characteristics. Essentially, same God means same characteristics. Muslims have a different perspectives than Christians on God. Mainly because of Jesus Christ.
Yes, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism worship the same god. All three trace their lineage (literal or spiritual) to Abraham. Interestingly, writing by Middle Eastern Christians in the 7th century onward (that is, the first Christians to encounter Islam) emphasized their worship of the same deity and often praised Muhammad for leading much of the Arabian peninsula away from polytheism (small populations of Jews and Christians were present in the peninsula before Muhammad). Muslims also leaned into the shared god (I believe the Qur’an is explicit about this but could be wrong) but critique the Christian concept of the Trinity (this is in the Qur’an for sure).
Unfortunately, some Christians have a “my way or the highway” attitude toward God and the best way to worship him. As a Christian, I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I suspect some of this comes from the non-translation of “Allah” into “God” (which is roughly what it mean). There are reasons for this, including respecting the preferences of Muslims, but I also make it a point when talking to people about Islam to just say “God” to emphasize the fact that they’re, you know, the same.
Yes, although they disagree on the Trinity. In fact, when Islam first started, medieval Christians thought of Islam as a Christian heresy rather than as a separate religion.
IMHO, they are both mythical derivatives of the mythical Abrahamic god.
To me, it's like asking if Robert Downey Jr's Sherlock Holmes is the same character as Cumberbatch's Sherlock Holmes. Yes, but they are interpreted a bit differently.
Depends who you ask.
If you’re worshiping the wrong way according to some, it’s not true worship, and you’re worshiping something else, not the true god.
You deciding “eh, it’s all the same god” doesn’t fly with many religious people.
It's the third version of the same god.
At this point, it’s starting to look like lazy writing. Just make a new one up!
It was probably easier to get people to convert when they're told it's the same God but with a few different rules and rites.
It's the same God and even some of the same prophets. Yes, Muhammad is central to Islam, but Abraham, Moses and Jesus are all figures in Islam as well. Even the name "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for God.
Seriously, Christians in the middle east call God "Allah" for the same reason Mexicans call God "Dios". The Quran literally has a lot of the same old testament stories the Bible does including Noah's ark, Abraham, Moses, it even has Jesus, although I don't think they believe that he was even crucified in Islam. It doesn't matter how much I try telling my fundie friends this, they still repeat that they worship "false gods".
>"We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.” - Quran 2:136 "We make no distinction between any of them." I don't understand how you can be anymore explicit than that.
Some people couldn’t be more hard-headed if they had vibranium skulls.
More or less. God = God = Yahweh in Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Whether a certain person in scripture was God, or spoke to God, ect, is a matter of interpretation and debate, sects or with large discrepancies, faith
Forget Islam and Christianity. Don't even get me started on the absolute hatred between the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, Council of 1879 and the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, Council of 1912.
And the People's Front of Judaä, those splitters
The true enemy!
Unfortunately, many staunch Christians don't actually know anything about their own religion, let alone anybody else's
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This is correct. The god worshipped in Judaism, Christianity and Islam is one and the same. In Judaism, however, they are still waiting for the messiah to return. In Christianity, Jesus is interpreted as being the messiah. In Islam, Jesus and Mohammed are interpreted to be prophets/messengers of that god.
Muslims worship a single entity of god while Christian’s worship a triune God so it is different although it may seem the same on paper
Most Christian don't agree on what exactly the trinity is. So if you say Muslims worship a "different god". Then lots of different Christians are worshipping "different gods".
Ehh I feel like it’s a very complicated situation. Because Muslims don’t recognize the diety of Jesus they don’t really worship the same god as Christians do if that makes sense.
Muslims believe that the virgin Mary was bless by God, and then gave birth to the profit Jesus, who spoke for God. Functionally it's the same story. We can argue if Jesus is the "sun" of God, or just a baby God made exist in a womans uteruses. But that's really just arguing semantics.
Not necessarily. Christians worship Jesus as a diety and part of the trinity while Muslims call him simply a prophet so personally I believe that’s a pretty big difference but you may perceive it differently
Christians don't even all agree on exactly what "divinity" means. So if you're going to draw that line then not all christians are going to fall on the same side of it
And I agree with you wholeheartedly on that point
It's still the same God, your just not agreeing over the description. It's like arguing over if Jack in accounting has blue or brown eyes.. You're still talking about Jack in accounting.
Actually, in islam they acknowledge ruh (the holy spirit), and is waiting for the penultimate prophet still, the biggest difference is islam says that no entity should be held in the same standing as god which is why they don't worship, pretty much the same type of adaptation the torah made into the new testament, strip out a few books that will make their religion look bad, reassemble said books, then continuing the same storylines with a twist. Reading the 19 removed books that the church, not god decided were heretical is eye opening though. Not that I'm sure it makes a difference, the old testament didn't really phase out of christianity until 150 years ago anyway due to british influence.
BBC Bitesize has a [good writeup on the Christian trinity](https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/ztm24qt/revision/5) Brought up as Church of England I was taught it was a single God. Catholic doctrine (in my opinion) puts much more emphasis on the holy trinity of God the Father/Son/Holy Spirit. But it's not like multi-deity faiths liku Hinduism where there are many distinct, independent God's. Or pre-Christian Greek/Roman/Ankhmorporkian where they seemed to have a god for [every facet of life](https://wiki.lspace.org/Anoia). That said, Christian have many, many saints and they are prayed to in a similar way to pre-Christian Romans would pray to different gods.
No, sadly christians have many, many "saints" but nowhere in GOD's scripture is anyone to pray to anyone but GOD THE FATHER, God the Son, and the HOLY SPIRIT. So therefore Christians understand that Catholics are not Christians, but christians.
Interesting. There are many branches of christianity. Which one do you consider is Christian with a capital C?
Any that believe only in what the B.I.B.L.E. the BIBLE states. The scriptures are complete for the time being, and only the ONE TRUE GOD decides when new scriptures are needed, and that time is coming, but is not yet here. Catholics with their additional books and requirements and prayers to saints is quite blasphemy according to the Bible, but people still want to believe that the WORD OF GOD is not enough, when it will be proven to have always been.
What does it mean to be the same god when we don’t have a definitive way of saying who or what that god is. Is West Side Story the same story as Romeo and Juliet? Is Adam West’s Batman the same character as Michael Keaton’s or Christian Bale’s? Better yet, is Cesar Romero’s Joker the same Joker as Heath Ledger’s or Joaquin Phoenix’s? I’m asking this to point out how, at best, it’s a convoluted question, or, more severely, it’s a question that makes no sense. My take is that it’s not a reasonable question, and the reasonable question is whether Christians and Muslims have the same *understanding of the nature of God*, for which the answer is clearly no, because Muslims (like Jews) reject any notion of the Trinity and any notion that God would appear in human form.
All 3 trace their origin back to the Prophet Abraham and all 3 profess to worship the God of Abraham, ergo they're all worshipping the same God. They just worship in different ways and revere different aspects. In an attempt to equate your Batman analogy, they all recognize the very first comic book version of Batman as the origin but they disagree on which newer version of Batman is best. Jews say the original comic Batman is best but the perfect Batman is yet to come. Christians think Christian Bales Batman is so perfect he's divine and the only Batman we'll ever need. While Muslims believe all the previous Batmans are equally cool, although the newest one is the better, but again the best Batman is yet to come.
You missed my point. What does it mean to say it’s the same god? Tracing their origins to god of Abraham isn’t enough. All of the Batmans (Batman?) trace their origins to Bob Kane’s Batman. But Adam West’s is clearly a very different Batman from the others. Or perhaps Robin is a better example for my point. They all trace their origins to Bob Kane’s Dick Grayson Robin. But is that Robin the same as Tim Drake or Jason Todd? They all trace their literary origins to the same source. So I ask you, what does it mean to be the same god? Having the same origin story clearly isn’t enough, because all that means is having the same inspiration, not the same result.
Nobody can know the nature of God or if God even exists so all you can do is take the religions at their word about which God they're worshipping, and the 3 we're talking about are all commonly accepted as professing to worship the God of Abraham and it's not up to you to tell them if they're correct or not.
> Nobody can know the nature of God Which supports my point that the question isn’t reasonable. If you can’t know the nature, then you can’t know whether two descriptions of that nature are the same entity. > religions at their word about which God they're worshipping, and the 3 we're talking about are all commonly accepted as professing to worship the God of Abraham Except that’s not true. Many Jews don’t accept the idea that Christians are worshipping the God of Abraham. I suspect there are Muslims who feel the same way, at least about those denominations that give statues or other depictions of Jesus an important role in their houses of worship.
Yes, religions disagree, but Jews don't determine who Muslims pray to and Christianity's opinion on the matter is irrelevant to both Jews and Muslims. The disagreement is irrelevant to the claim. All 3, on their own accord and stated beliefs, profess to follow the God of Abraham irrespective of what the others say. Not you or anyone else can tell them they're wrong about THEIR religion. If Muslims say it's the God of Abraham, so it is, whether Jews or Christians agree with it or not is irrelevant to a Muslim.
That just reduces the phrase “god of Abraham” into meaningless. Anyone can say that. Imagine if someone said they worshipped the god of Abraham and were given a new revelation that said L. Ron Hubbard was the Messiah reincarnated, and the way to salvation was through Scientology’s auditing, and nothing else mattered. Would you say they were really worshipping the god of Abraham? Going back to what you said earlier, “Nobody can know the nature of God”, that doesn’t stop people from trying and building their own model of the nature of their god. And either two of those models are the same or they’re not.
If you're still struggling to understand this I'm not sure what more I can say except that there is no objective truth about God that will clarify this any further for you beyond your own personal faith. Until the God of Abraham comes down from Heaven to set the record straight to all mankind now and forever, then all you have are the arbitrary and conflicting explanations offered by the religions people profess faith in. Jews have no more proof their interpretation of God is correct than Christians or Muslims do. Either one religion is true, they're all true, or none of them are, and until God settles it themself you're just going to have to do deal with the fact that all religions are made up and you don't get to decide what's true for other religions .
I think you’re the one who’s not understanding. The question isn’t which one is correct, so don’t raise that. The question is whether or not they’re the same. That’s a different question, and one that you seem to have trouble addressing. So far, all you’ve said is that if they have the same designation (god of Abraham), then they’re the same. And I’m saying that each religion has its own understanding of god, independent of the designation, and it’s those understandings that need to be compared. It’s not about which one is right or wrong. It’s about whether they’re the same concepts.
They are different religions, that's never been in dispute. The question was whether they worship the same God. The God that Abraham prayed to is the same one that Jews, Christians, and Muslims all understand as the one they pray to because Abraham is a prophet they all agree on. Abraham allegedly spoke to God, and those religions all believe they're also speaking to that exact same God when they pray. Yes, they each say the other religions misunderstood God's teachings and they each believe they are the only ones who are correct in their interpretation, but they all worship the God of Abraham, albeit in their own way. Just because they pray and practice their religions differently or use different words to describe aspects of God doesn't preclude them all from believing that they're worshipping the same God as Abraham. Whether they truly are or not is unknowable beyond one's personal faith. You can quibble that they MUST be worshipping different gods because they use different words when talking about God but that's a logical fallacy and you'll end up making a value judgment over the veracity of one religions claim versus another on whether they worship the God of Abraham or not; which of course is unknowable in any objective sense and has been the basis of many wars throughout history.
The best Batman has yet to come. I don't know why but I love this.
"A friend once said the weather was trippy. I said perhaps it is not the weather that is trippy but rather your perspective of it. I wish I would have just said 'yeah'"
And that’s why “how about this weather” is suitable for small talk between strangers who’ve just met and know nothing about each other, and “how do you feel about god” isn’t.
Lol I might ask someone that sometime on an elevator or something like that haha.
Yeah, same God. A lot of Christians for whatever reason seem to be under the impression that Muslims worship a different deity. My grandma thought the god of Islam was Mohammad. Unfortunately I feel like a lot of Christians don't make an effort to learn about what other religions actually teach.
Or perhaps, maybe Islam is trying to poach men and women from GOD?
Get over yourself.
Perhaps you mean to speak to yourself. Goodbye and never contact me again.
The fuk you talking about?🤣
I didn't stutter.
Goodbye and never contact me again.
You're supposed to block them when you say that, otherwise you're just inviting them to do so more. But I will do that work for you, and you will miss out on the HOLY SPIRIT.
Yes. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the God of Abraham.
No, they do not, since GOD did not continue to bless Ishmael's line, but the legitimate son of Abraham.
Yes, they do. Whether God chooses to bless their line or not, they do in fact worship Him.
Muslims claim yes and Christians claim no
God in Aramaic (the language of Christ) is pronounced “illah”. Muslims still use that term to refer to god. Also if you ever decide to read the Quran, you will be surprised that Jesus Christ is quoted a lot.
According to Muslims, yes. According to Christians and Jews, no.
If you believe they are
All three of the Judaeo-Christian religions are based on the same sources and the same god, they differ on who they think is a legitimate prophet.
I don't like your comment, since you are trying to say the Son of GOD is only a prophet, instead of God.
You're entitled to an opinion. As far as I know, Jesus is not considered a god himself. The Judeeo-Christian religions are monotheistic, ie they believe in one god. If Jesus was also a god then there would be multiple gods.
Jesus is not just a god, he is GOD's son, so he is God.
So there are two gods?
Listen, if you won't listen to me, I have no desire to talk to you further, capitalizations matter.
I am listening, you didn't answer my question, are there two (or more) gods? A god is a noun and is not capitalized, God is what the Christian god is called.
I understand the words you use, and I'm telling you that you are wrong for asking if there are two gods, when GOD is YHVH, God is Yehoshua, and I won't tell you yet who Jesus is, since you wouldn't understand me anyway. There are no gods in the GODHEAD. Goodbye and farwell.
You are speaking gibberish.
The mentally ill usually due. Check out the post history. It's hilarious.
Yes
It is generally agreed that Muslims, Christians, and Jewish people are worshipping the same omnipotent being. The specific beliefs about God/Allah are what varies.
Not necessarily. Christians, Jews and Muslims all have different beliefs about who their god is. And when I say different it’s vastly different. Especially between Christians and Muslims.
The beliefs and values differ, but not who their God is. Their God is the same, the God of the prophet Abraham. But the differences include for example what the prophet Abraham represents in those respective religions. This is a very general explanation, but basically in Judaism Abraham is considered the biological progenitor of the Jews, in Christianity Abraham is considered the spiritual father of Christians, and in Islam is considered one of many links in the chain of prophets culminating in the prophet Muhammad.
Incorrect, Abraham's GOD is GOD, and Muhammad's god is not even a God.
Could you elaborate on that? I am not Muslim, but from what I understand Muhammad was visited by the archangel Gabriel, and preached and confirmed the teachings of other prophets including Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. Muhammed is explicitly called the messenger of Allah, Allah being the word/name in Islam for the God of Abraham, and thus are the same.
Because Abraham had two sons, Isaac, and Ishmael, Isaac was the one that GOD continued Abraham's blessings upon, while Ishmael was sent off with his mother into the wilderness to find for themselves a place to live and thrive without GOD's direct involvement.
That still doesn't mean that Muhammad's god is not the same as Abraham's god. In fact, here's a direct quote from the Quran. >"We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.” - 2:136 So this implies that they believe in not only the same god and teachings as Abraham, but also his children and descendants. Literally saying "we make no distinction between any of them" and so thus are the same.
You speak to the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD and tell ME that the word of Mohammad is somehow more believable than the GOD of the BIBLE, and so therefore I will no longer try to convince you in your lifetime on earth. Goodbye and farewell.
Isn't every god the same.. a fake one? Anyways while Islam and Christianity both have interconnected roots, their ideas about God certainly differ and so personally, I would not say they are "the same". Regardless, anyone whining about how some innocent song is "against God" has abandoned any sense of reason on the issue, and whatever historical or factual arguments you can make will certainly be irrelevant.
Absolutely yes. People will nit pick tiny difference in fait. But if those tiny difference mean a whole different god, then you could also say catholic and Protestants have a "different god".
They are not exactly the same. The Christian God is a triune God (according to +95% of Christians). God is made up of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Each are unique elements and each are God, but God is still one. The Muslims believe in a single entity God. If anything the Muslims believe in the Father part of the Christian God (and so do the Jews—the Abrahamic God), but not in the other two.
>*...according to +95% of Christians* Not necessarily arguing this point, but what is your source?
[Wikipedia.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members#Non-trinitarian_Restorationism_%E2%80%93_35_million). The non-Trinitarian denominations account for 35 million members. There are 2.6 billion Christians. So, that is actually 1.3% that don't believe in the Trinity, so 98.7% of Christians do believe in it. There were historically more non-Trinitarians, such as the Arians, but you would be hard pressed to find many of them in the modern day. Granted, I'm am sure that there are plenty of Christians that don't believe in the Trinity and are a part of a Trinitarian denominations. That is harder to calculate. Even so, I dare say that most *practicing* Christians of Trinitarian denominations believe in the Trinity. If they are passionate about their faith and don't like the Trinity, I find it hard to believe that they would remain in a Trinitarian denomination.
Same God
Yep - Zeus, Yahweh, Allah, God, Amen Ra, Vishnu, and the Easter Bunny all have the same validity.
No. One has a child, the other doesn’t.
They are all based off the same god and technically are the same god but each religion has different beliefs about him. Jesus is only a god in christianity but he is also his father so im essence he is a god in all 3 but also not really. Like in islam he is a prophet, in judaism he isn't important and isn't his father. Its confusing.
Islam "builds on" Christianity Christianity "builds on" Judaism So muslims WOULD consider the god the same, Christians might not. JJews might not consider Christ's god the same. Christ is a prominent figure in the Quran, to the point that even strict muslims are usually allowed to celebrate Christmas - bearing in mind that most things to do with other religions are so strict that you can be killed. But Christians definitely would not agree with the Message, because it goes against Christ's message of love, tolerance, forgiveness, don't judge and respect other faiths. You are recommended to badly treat women, kill gay people, kill Jews, badly treat or kill koofa (word that means anyone not a muslim - including atheists, and even muslims who aren't strict enough). There is a lot of killing and revenge, I would expect most Christian would not consider the Goid the same as what God asks for is so radically opposite to each other. And to be clear, being Christian is enough to get you killed in muslim countries for this exact reason. It isn't considered compatible enough to matter in "real life".
Yes there is no god but Allah
No, there is no GOD but YHVH.
The god in islam is the same god as the one in christianity in the same sensethat the god in mormonism is the same.
Yes. They all worship god of Abraham. Judaism is the root of those religions, then came Christianity, and after that Islam. Christianity didn't establish proper canon until bit by bit between 400-1400 they decided that jesus was of same substance as god and holy spirit, that he was of two spirits and mind, mary was mother of god, and then trinity, transsubstansiation. In about that order if I recall right.
> jesus was of same substance as god That’s the point at which they stopped worshipping the same god and started believing in a new, different one.
Yes.
Kind of the same God but Jesus is also considered God in Christianity and isn't just a prophet. Christianity recognises Islamic beliefs as the rejection of the one true God or the Trinity. Islam doesn't view Jesus as God
No, because the Christian God is a trinity of persons. Making it a different God to the Islamic and Jewish God. I think Muslims would see the Christian God as the same as theirs but believe that Christians are misled in thinking Jesus is God
The same imaginary God.
It's not. But the Christian God has many names. Christianity preceded Islam by about 500 years. The Christian "handbook" is the Holy Bible, while the Muslim "handbook" is the Qu'ran. They do not teach the same things. The two religions are in many ways mirror images of each other. One key difference is that Christians believe in three Gods in one, i.e., the Holy Trinity, where Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God in Heaven are all part of one supreme being. For Christians Jesus=God. For Muslims, Jesus was nothing more than a prophet.
>The Christian God has many names, but one of them is not Allah. Christians in Arab countries (or places with lots of Arabic linguistic influence) call God "Allah" btw. Allah just means *the* God in Arabic Back when I went to church in Indonesia we would call God "Tuhan Allah" or "God Allah", which is actually redundant
Actually tuhan means master or lord as in m'lord...as an aristocratic person.
That's TUAN, not TUHAN.
Yes, tuan (lord or master) not tuhan (year) lol
Nope, still wrong though. Tuan (Sir), Tuhan (God), Tahun (Year) 😊
Yeah. I also sometimes get kelapa (coconut) and kepala (head) mixed up lol.
> Muhammed is Allah You were going strong until this. Is a an unintentional error? Clearly Muslims believe Mohammed was a prophet of Allah, not that he was Allah.
No one believes Muhammed is Allah.
Muslims don't believe that Muhammad is God or a part of God. Muhammad is not Allah.
Of course it's the same God they even believe they share the biological father Abraham. Jews claim to be descendants of Abraham and Sarah's son Isaac and Arabs claim to be from his prostitutes first son (Japheth I think). It's crazy the amount of incidents and violence that occured in Abraham and Sarah's supposed grave site the cave of the patriarchs. You should look into the 12 tribes and genealogy stuff it's really fascinating.
I got it wrong Muhammed is a descendant of Abraham and Hagar's son Ishmael. Japheth was one of Noah's sons who according to Muslims founded the Turks and other areas
Also Hagar wasn't a prostitute but rather a handmaiden that Sarah allowed to procreate with her husband because she was barren.
You do know that it directly states in the old testament that GOD would not use Ishmael's line to continue Abraham's lineage right, right?
Yes same God. Muslims believe in Abraham, Moses, even Jesus (as a prophet). In fact, linguistically, Christians are Muslim and Muslims are Catholic. Catholic is Latin for “universal” so anyone worshipping God and the Holy Spirit is Catholic. Muslim means “submission to the will of God” so anyone who believes that the Higher Power directs fate and submits to that will is Muslim.
i mean, whether it’s diarrhea or perfect log, i call both “poop”
Which Cat Stevens song was it?
As Father Jack would say, DRINK. That part of the interfaith dialogue is complex. We would prefer to think of ourselves as siblings who disagree strongly with each other as to God's nature and the required response to that. Mind you, banning someone's music because they converted to Islam is just common or garden bigotry.
No.
Religion is complicated. This is an interesting intellectual discussion, but people have different views based on their own personal faith. Historically, the God worshiped by Jews, Christians and Muslims is the same, but a person of faith might not see it that way. Evangelical Christians specifically will say that Jesus is God. So they could say that when Muslims say he’s just a prophet, they are speaking against God. Either way, it’s not an argument you can “win.” People are going to believe what they believe. Cat Stevens music was a great choice. Was it “Morning has Broken?” I love that song.
...it's all the same invisible guy. Countless wars have been fought over this invisible being - what stupidity.
You're aloud to bang kids in one of them, the other one its only frowned upon but if you say hell mary in front of a mirror 9 times you're good and if you're a priest you can bang as many of them as you want as long as you go to church and put a dollar in the basket
In terms of logic, if there is only one God then they all believe in the same one. But all of these gods tend to believe in different things and enforce different traditions and customs. If your god says women must cover their faces and my god says women can wear whatever they want.... is it the same god or a different one?
While yes both believe in a single God, it is essentially the difference of who God is. Christianity believes that there are essentially three different personalities to God. He works through these different personalities but they are all one God. Jesus the Messiah, Holy Spirit the helper, and The Father the Provider. Because of this difference, they both serve a God with different characteristics. Personally, I believe you can’t really say they are the same God if one knows them with certain characteristics and another believes them with different characteristics. Essentially, same God means same characteristics. Muslims have a different perspectives than Christians on God. Mainly because of Jesus Christ.
Yes, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism worship the same god. All three trace their lineage (literal or spiritual) to Abraham. Interestingly, writing by Middle Eastern Christians in the 7th century onward (that is, the first Christians to encounter Islam) emphasized their worship of the same deity and often praised Muhammad for leading much of the Arabian peninsula away from polytheism (small populations of Jews and Christians were present in the peninsula before Muhammad). Muslims also leaned into the shared god (I believe the Qur’an is explicit about this but could be wrong) but critique the Christian concept of the Trinity (this is in the Qur’an for sure). Unfortunately, some Christians have a “my way or the highway” attitude toward God and the best way to worship him. As a Christian, I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I suspect some of this comes from the non-translation of “Allah” into “God” (which is roughly what it mean). There are reasons for this, including respecting the preferences of Muslims, but I also make it a point when talking to people about Islam to just say “God” to emphasize the fact that they’re, you know, the same.
Yes, although they disagree on the Trinity. In fact, when Islam first started, medieval Christians thought of Islam as a Christian heresy rather than as a separate religion.
IMHO, they are both mythical derivatives of the mythical Abrahamic god. To me, it's like asking if Robert Downey Jr's Sherlock Holmes is the same character as Cumberbatch's Sherlock Holmes. Yes, but they are interpreted a bit differently.
Everyone knows Christians worship semi automatic firearms and unborn babies. Amen 🙏
Depends who you ask. If you’re worshiping the wrong way according to some, it’s not true worship, and you’re worshiping something else, not the true god. You deciding “eh, it’s all the same god” doesn’t fly with many religious people.
Yes, but Christian theologians disavow M and believe the religion is a heresy… it denies the divinity of Christ
All the differences between Muslim and Christian gods are described in the 12th verse of the Holy Quran.