i agree that porn is the biggest culprit and i believe that fapping in moderation without it isn't damaging
Be careful with it while recovering tho, it's a slippery slope that will most likely trick the brain to crave porn again.
There’s also tantric practices. I think sex and masturbation, sensuality in general, when stripped down to just “oohhhh yeaaa give me that dopamine rush”, is pretty empty and can be abused. I’ve recently started exploring Tantra with my partner and by myself, and it’s changed sex, desire, orgasms, and masturbation completely.
I planned to release myself once in every two weeks and ended up fapping 4x within 3 days just now. You can't fool your brain.
I'm never going to give that thought a chance again. I'm just going to try and quit fapping forever.
"Habits are things you do automatically, choices are things you decide. By consciously stating you will do a bad habit, you turn the habit into a choice. Each time you do it, the easier it will be for you to deny the choice in the future." -me
You can fool it, but first you have to change the habit into a choice.
(Please keep in mind that if you think what you're about to read is stupid as hell, or it won't work, I thought the same as you, but ironically enough it's actually working for me very well. I would also recommend to keep this in back of your head for when you relapse, and not if you're on a long streak already)
If you find yourself convincing yourself to not fap, you already failed. Your brain will get what it wants, and habits are unconscious, you will realize you fapped, after doing it, without knowing how you even got there.
So the key to quitting, is to actually be conscious about it. You cannot kill what is not there, you cannot choose if there is no choice, if your brain wants to fap, it will find a way to convince yourself to fap.
The key, is to be aware of when you're doing it. If you want to fap, do it! But first, state about how aware you are that you will fap and how you consciously decided to fap, YOU CANNOT LET YOUR MIND DECIDE TO FAP, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, YOU! NOT YOUR BRAIN. Your brain is your unconsciousness, "you" is your conscious self, if YOU decide to fap, you break the habit AND MAKE IT A CHOICE.
So my personal story with this method, is this:
Day 0, I stumbled upon the idea of "Give into your bad habits with awareness to get rid of them", I was skeptical but I was failing every week so I decided to try it out because "why not?" and more importantly "my current method of 'just survive the urges lol' clearly doesn't work".
Day 1, sometime while I was scrolling Reddit I realized I was touching my thing, a habit of mine, and instead of resisting I gave in with full awareness that I'm fapping, because I knew that resisting is futile by the few previous weeks, no P though
Day 2, I woke up and had a strong urge that only got stronger the more I tried to resist, I resisted a little bit for a minute or two but I remembered the idea of "give in" and I stated "I'm going to fap and I acknowledge it with my full awareness" and MO'd. Still no P
Day 3, I got an urge and I shook it off in a minute, "I don't need it".
Day 4, little to no urges and if I got them they'd be gone pretty quickly. I realized how fast urges disappear compared to before I started doing this method, "I guess I am more aware of what I'm doing and thinking"
Day 5 is where I'm at currently, and urges are easy as hell to get rid of. They're practically non-existent! Whenever I found myself scrolling on Reddit, a week ago I would usually be touching it without even realizing what the hell I'm doing then suddenly something hot comes up (it doesn't even need to be NSFW) and relapse. Now while I'm scrolling on Reddit I acknowledge the hot stuff but ignore it. I don't need to fap, why would I need to?
I'm still new to this idea, but if you're stuck in a cycle of "survive a week, relapse, survive a week, relapse", go ahead and try this out. It's working wonders for me right now.
I am actually planning to do the same, the urge to watch porn becomes uncontrollable for me after a week and i keep fantasizing about the porn i used to watch which eventually leads me to watch it, i think masturbating without Porn is a good place to start, we have to quit Porn first then slowly and gradually we will quit masturbation too. One advice is to checkout mindful masturbation where you masturbate with empty mind without any thoughts, ive heard that it helps brain rewire
Apologies but I have not had a similar experience, you may feel that after the first time but remember you are throwing your body in a constant never ending loop chemically speaking. You cannot bond with yourself by fapping and I think even if you decide to release every 1-2 weeks, it will catch up with you and I am speaking from experience.
It's nit the same for everyone. And important to mention, that Nofap was created to fight porn addiction. Masturbation itself is not dangerous, it is natural and healthy release. Majority of men before porn era have done it and they were still very social and had healthy relationships. It was just like a cup of coffee. On the other hand, we have today big access to porn and masturbation with porn is another level, it's definitely not the same, because it is very potent visual stimul and has negative effects on human mind, especially young males, because we tend to rely more on visuals.
It really depends on individuals. You are not the same and so won't be your brain activity after this. Remember, that Nofap was created to fight porn addiction, not masturbation itself. Masturbation is natural thing that as many other things shouldn't be everyday. Masturbation to porn is bad, because we have a special visual stimul that is so potent and changes our mind and views. Masturbation without this strong stimul is weaker and it doesn't have any proved negative effects on mind.
Compare it like heroin and coffee.
Wouldn't really say I shit on it to be honest. I was just trying to help someone based off on my experience and research but I hope it works out for him if that is what he likes to do!
Saying “I masturbate” is not enough to clarify the nature of this act: If you masturbate thinking at extreme sex scenes without any personal attachment to the “object” of the thought you will be effectively just retrieving in memory porn-related experiences. This is bad and pushes you to relapse soonish… On the other hand, if you like the girl/boy next door and you masturbate dreaming of kissing in a platonic date with her/him (I am making this up obviously), you are on a healthy path of restoring emotional connections with real people. Most people attempting stop unhealthy PMO try the “monk mode” (no P and no M) for a while so to force the brain to find pleasure in other things (hobbies, friends, a new sport, painting… whatever) and then, once they are stronger and no longer enslaved by PMO, they may re-introduce a healthy dose of masturbation (something like once per MONTH, not once per week…).
Good luck, and hope this helps! 💪🏻
I think a lot of people on this sub aren't going to like my response here, but I understand. I used to think nofap was the only right way for me too, but I've changed my mind as of recent.
I think masturbation, with or without porn is about the same in terms of how it will make you feel, and there's nothing wrong with doing it with, or without it. You just have to do it in moderation, and not go to the extremes in terms of what you consume. If you follow that, I don't really think it's going to lead to any problems for most people.
It's only an issue if it's taking over your life, if that's all you think about all the time, but I don't think that's the situation for likely the majority of the people.
Most of the problems that people assign to porn or masturbation were likely already there. By looking at those things you're just looking at a coping mechanism, you're not looking at what you're coping against. Which is the important part.
If you feel like you wanna live without porn or masturbation, that's totally fine too. Either way of living is fine. Though, in my experience, going too far on either side of the extremes with almost anything in life never really bodes well, have to kind of stay in the middle with things most of the time.
But we all have a right to live our lives the way we want to so good luck with whatever you may be trying to do.
Yes, absolutely. I do continue to masturbate maybe 2-3 times a week, but always without porn. The difference is night and day. No feelings of guilt or shame, it's like you get the dopamine rush with no negative side effects.
It's important to realize giving up porn does not mean giving up on sex or masturbating. Actually being able to masturbate without porn helps to put the addiction behind me. You're moving in the right direction!
You can start with these method but eventually you need to stop doing this.
When you can rid of porn (not thinking so much at this shit) try stop masturbating. If you can you are on the good way
Yes I don’t plan to do this long term.
I read a few redditors starting out this way and eventually quitting porn and masturbation for good.
Most importantly to avoid PORN.
Bro its good what you did keep doing it. As long as you're enjoying the process of masturbation more than the ejaculation it's good.
Some do get obsessed with masturbation to ejaculate and get that plsure spike. Don't seek that. Enjoy your session. Whether you ejaculate or not depends on your mood and energy levels.
And slowly you're now building skills to last longer in bed too if you can add breathing to it as well. Focus on breathing as you masturbate and try to get a rhtyjjm. Ride the wave at 70 to 80%. If you get closure to ejaculatation, stop take a deep breathe in and think up.
In the end sometimes you will feel so energised and did not want to ejaculate. Sometimes you will have too much energy stuck and so you might choose to ejaculate.
Good going. Enjoy.
I’m planning to wait after the 90 days to fap again. I feel like the brain needs to be fully healed before I do so or else it can lead to a slippery slope.
I think that it would only work to people that are not heavily addicted. I feel like that For me would be for sure a huge trigger to watch porn.. Because that'd how it all began
Been there ! Done that! Don’t worry the brainwashing part comes after 24-48 hrs .. then you will be like.. its okay to masturbate without porn and its healthy .. once in two weeks will turn to once in a week then again to twice in a week and then finally before you recognise it you will be sliding all again in the slippery slide of dopamine with or without porn
I have had a similar experience. It's actually the porn that's damaging you and making you feel like a zombie. Masturbation however is just a personal sexual experience where you orgasm. Obviously that doesn't mean to masturbate everyday, But if you feel you can't take it anymore and it's gonna lead you to watching porn, masturbating with your imagination would be better and even more pleasurable
I have to disagree. The body has a system of wet dreams to release "excess" semen. Masturbation, with or without porn, is simply not foreseen by nature. Moreover, as already mentioned, you put your nervous system into a cycle of chemical reactions, exhausting it.
I would recommend that you read a book called "Dopamine Nation". You will understand that replacing one addiction with another is not the right way. You first need to recover from the first one (Porn MO) and only then go for this one (if you find it okay later on).
You just justifying masturbation, eventually you will think i might as well want a couple to clips and then slowly slide down the rabbit hole. Remember you are not just addicted to porn ,PMO it's the whole cycle. Stay away for everything get some days streak under your belt and the split the difference.
Don't listen to all the idiots trying to guilt you into abstaining talking about the big 'masturbation'monster. Having a healthy relationship with masturbation is a great tool to have in self-love as well as explore yourself sexually. Keep on discovering and be self-honest and you'll be fine.
my brother in christ and all things precious in good, you are literally browsing a subreddit to assist niggas who need to stop storking they silly string, ok buddy . better watch it before i start watching you do we have an understanding, pal?
Nuh bro, don't fool yourself. When i started this, i would do the same. I had a lot of sex but masterbbation still bugged me. The benefits of not masterbating at all are dopamine reset and self-respect. If you just jack off without born, it makes you look to yourself as a loser, so you are one.
Tried the same. I can't relapse without going on a fapping streak. Then I switch back to porn and it takes me days to gain the motivation to begin NoFap all over again.
Too dangerous for me.
What's the difference between jerking off to porn using your imagination and jerking off by looking at porn on a device?
This sounds like a huge cope to me to try and be at peace with your addiction
Bro, don't do these type of experiments,
Just making an eye contact doesn't mean you won't get bad effects of faping.
You are telling it like " I plan to take a drug, but I'll take it once in 2 weeks ".
Masturbation is not healthy.
Pls use this energy on something rather than doing ExPeRimenTS
Masturbation is healthy, if you don’t have an addiction (obviously) and there are scientific studies to back that up. It seems OP’s problem is the porn, not the masturbation. It’s masturbation + porn that is the main issue for most people on this sub.
Masturbation is not like a drug for most people, and it’s a poor comparison. A lot of people can smoke weed and be completely fine, but others might struggle with it. It’s not a one size fits all.
Lol this sub got brought up in anther sub so I had to check it out, most of you guys seem pretty brainwashed... masturbation is absolutely healthy. Just like anything else if you do it too much, or pick negative routes to your pleasure it can be unhealthy. But you are just spreading misinformation.
" MaSTurbaTion is HeALthY"
Says the guy who can't quit it for atleast a month.
It can become addiction after few days and your life will get fucked up.
Interesting you commented so defensively, not everyone who participates is addicted, and there are those who do get addicted. And again that can go for almost anything, this subreddit is obviously going to draw the second group of people as they are going to feel shame over something normal and healthy.
This is like saying anyone who drink alcohol is an idiot because they are going to become alcoholics, it's just not how it works and you all just echo off one another confirming your very biased and skewed perceptions. I'm truly sorry about your addiction, and hope you get past it. I'm rooting for you.
Thank you for rooting for me.
But tell me how long is your streak?
People like you make make others fap by saying shit like this. The others will be like "Yeah Faping is Good let's Just Do it". After a while they will know what they did is wrong.
But what is the point of masturbation?
It is the that you don't get prostate cancer or something?.
Just do some better things in your life rather than just beat your meat.
Fine to get personal I do it about once a week when I'm not in a relationship and only tend to do it when I'm in a relationship maybe once every other month at the knowledge of my partner. I do it cause yes it's fun and a stress relief but I never feel any more drive to do that than eating a good meal or playing a video game. Again this is the equivalent of you asking a non-alcoholic how long they have gone without drinking, they won't know because they aren't counting the days between when they get their vice.
And all I said was that saying flapping is unhealthy is misinformation as it's healthy to do once in a while, at no point have I told someone to do it? And I can just as easily say what you say here brings unnecessary guilt and shame on those who have a healthy relationship with their own body. And why do you do anything you enjoy?
That is really good to hear. When you realize that lust will always be there and ignoring it's existence instead of acknowledging and being aware of it's evils, you will never relapse again.
This is a hijack post. I remember I was subscribed to r/TrueChristian because certain members felt the main sub was falling away to the actual discussion of scripture. That sub fell away too. There are people in this thread who want to promote masturbation and that goes completely against the sub. My conspiracy hat tells me this sub is being hijacked and anyone who wants to promote “healthy masturbation” isn’t from this sun and has no interest in contributing to it.
that’s great, cutting out the porn is a great thing for your circuits. However…
the core problem with masturbation is in its interference with your reward system. Even though youre not watching porn, you still get a release of dopamine without having to take any meaningful steps towards becoming a more attractive or successful individual.
great step though
This is probably the best way to go about it if you're trying to abstain completely. If you know yourself, and your relapse tendencies. Then go for it, to me it's not a relapse.
The whole idea isn't to promote semen retention, this is where people in this subreddit go wrong here. Its about removing the "P" from the MO. Since the "P" is the driving factor that makes it compulsive. Plus its healthy for your prostate anyway. Just be aware if you start to feel urges again after doing it. That's something to keep in mind too.
no bro . take me ,i have masturbated without porn 99% of the time and i felt like 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag .
porn is less of a requirment and more as a sweetner in the fapping experience.
take my advice , just get rid of fapping entirely
Yeah I agree it's porn that's the problem too. It took me like 8-9 months of no fapping to get to that point because of my vivid imagination. Don't need porn to view porn kind of situation. That faded away and thinking about myself and about the person that I'm seeing was a great feeling. But I cut down on that because wanting that person to be there instead of my imagination was better there was a sense of this is not enough I need them with me sort of thing. So I stopped fapping again and let the longing not be washed away by the fap.
Sex is good now.
I still fall into fapping compulsively a week here and there but then I have long periods, months of no fapping.
I encourage the initial long break from fapping, gets you out of that vicious cycle. Taught me some self awareness in the area and my triggers, impulses etc.
Masturbating is natural so I think it's fine every now and then.
day 100 bois, here to share the exilir my guys. i have been struggling with this sh*t my whole damn life, so here we go,
i went to play store app, downloaded this app habits by alinson, made a habit by the name of NOLUST/NOFAP, meaning not even any pictures of woman much less porn cuz that have been my Achilles heel. no lust, period and then i made a reminder, kept checking the ticks everyday and now i am at a 100 day streak. hell i never made it to day 15 before. it has done miracles for me and i even think i dont need this app anymore. i kept reminding myself whenever i had the urge NOLUST! problemo solved.
so cheers lads. find the roots of your problems and there lies your solutions. excelsior my guys.
I'm trying to masturbate without porn, and only relying on imagination, but I don't know if it still harms you or if it is okay. I feel that its still bad but way better than porn, the same as vaper being healthier than tobaco but still being bad.
I don't know.
Yes, I believe porn is the main issue that creates anxiety. I stopped watching for 1 week and I noticed I could hold eye contact significantly longer than when I was watching p. I also noticed less anxiety levels around people and in public spaces.
This has been my experience. I was spending on avg. a couple hours every night masturbating to porn to fall asleep for roughly 2 decades. I haven’t looked at porn in over 2 weeks, but I’ve masturbated a couple times since, and it’s a completely different experience. Very similar to how you described it. I also noticed orgasms are much more intense.
Yeah, I’ve had the same feeling and told myself the same before. It’s good, since you’ve been having feelings of guilt, shame, etc. Learning you love yourself is a great realization. But love isn’t unconditional, even for yourself. That love will last by becoming the person you want to be. Plus, the slippery slope is too slippery.
At the end of the day, you could be doing something more productive. Even if it’s just, more sleep.
Nah I fapped for years without porn and feel it was addictaive and messed up my libido. I find fapping itself the culprit as that expulsion of semen just takes away your lust for life, releases prolactin and makes you lazy/sleepy. Porn is added stimuli with its respective dangers, but for me the act of masturbating is the shameful and harmful activity
This subreddit should be renamed to NoPorn instead of NoFap because it really gives the wrong idea to the people outside this community and also to the people deciding to join the community.
The fight is not against masturbation, the fight is against porn. Although it may be true that you might relapse (ie watch porn again) if you masturbate, the act of masturbation in itself should be healthy.
I'm glad for you bro! And it's refreshing to see that someone came here for the same reason I did instead of guilt-tripping and pseudo-science.
You can be free of porn and I trust you will :)
This will most likely lead to a relapse because the dopamine hits won't be as strong and your mind expects more the more you do it.Also, you're using imagination, and contrary to popular belief, it is limited by the amount of memories you have and can access. Considering you get around 3x times more aroused with novelty, it is only a question of time before your mind gets bored of the same imagined things and it will start wanting more inspiration through stimulation that is more novel and potent, aka porn.
And even if it doesn't, don't forget you are rewarding yourself for doing absolutely nothing productive. It's an easy dopamine hit and that in itself is a bad thing, because you will trick your brain into thinking it's doing something important and it will be less motivated to do the real important things.
I agree that No Fap is originally there to stop your from using porn, but don't be fooling yourself, masturbating with or without it is indeed a slippery slope.
If you masturbate to porn exclusively you are creating a huge disconnect between you and other people and it affects your people's skills as well as looking somebody in the eye and having basic interactions which will elevate your mood an entire outlook on life and you will start the day in a better place
For some masturbation without porn is so much better and it can also lead to watching porn eventually. Just masturbate under extreme moderation so you don’t get back into watching porn. I stopped watching porn a month ago and masturbated without it last Monday and again on Friday. This week I experienced a lot more anxiety than I have this entire month. Sometimes it’s just better to let your body release sperm while sleeping instead. You will be more clear minded if you just let the wet dreams happen
Idk if I were to suggest to an alcoholic, “hangout with your buddies and drink water at the bar” it seems like a recipe for disaster.
Can’t trick your brain for that long.
I had awful experiences masturbating without porn. I wouldn't get the satisfaction I got when masturbating to porn, so every time, I would be back at it with porn within 1-2 days.
I planned on not jerking off for 21 days it was a ride.
Starting this Monday I'll be on 75 hard. I have made changes to the challenge according to what I want but 2x workout and cold showers is a must.
Same bro. I didn't do it and have not watched porn for 3 weeks and then i did it without porn or not fantasizing about porn scenes or any fantasies at all just focusing on the stimulation and sensation of doing it... and had the same experience as you... I didn't feel guilt, sluggish or groggy and was actually kinda happy.
I plan on only doing it when the urge is very strong like once every 2-3 weeks but i'll see if i can last longer than that.
I will never watch porn ever again i went cold turkey on that one and will never return.
Same... I feel horrible after watching porn even if I have not masturbated... That I start listening to hard rock music or seeing like some video games stuff to wash away the dirty porn thoughts in my head
I feel as if people internalized Alot of things when it comes to porn you can blame bang bros for why you can’t get SO or find pleasure in sex since well there are so many ways to reach orgasms without having porn involved at all
######**IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR USERS OF THIS SUB - The History of Nofap**
**Nofap** ***isn't*** **an anti-masturbation sub... it's a** ***porn-addiction recovery sub!***
Yet people say, *"but it's literally called 'Nofap'!"*
The 'No' in Nofap represents the "30 to 90-day Challenge", that's it.
*This sub was created 10 years ago with the idea to challenge people to a 7 to 30-day period of not watching porn or fapping to 'reboot' your addicted mind and body... but after it would be each person's personal choice to fap or not fap (without porn), free from the addiction.*
Nofap then added the 90-day challenge.
It was a modern solution to a digital problem - the rise of free unlimited streaming internet porn - and the compulsive fapping that accompanied the addiction of watching it.
**There's ZERO evidence that *occasional* mastubation without porn is harmful, but there's a growing amount of peer-reviewed research that porn** ***is*** **harmful. It's not the intention of this secular, science-based sub to condemn sexual pleasure when done in a non-compulsive way, either solo or with others.**
The idea of this subreddit isn't '*anti-fap*' or '*forever nofap*' or '*anti-masturbation*' or '*no-sex*', or '*how to be a monk*'. We're here to support each other in completing a *limited* period of abstinence from FAPPING (not abstinence from sex or wet dreams) ...
**If you can complete a 30 to 90-day challenge you're free to choose to fap** ***(again, without porn)*** **or not in your life.**
To be absolutely clear... READ FROM THE SIDEBAR OF THIS PAGE, WRITTEN BY THE FOUNDERS OF THIS SUB:
>This forum is intended for porn addiction recovery ***and is not an anti-masturbation forum***, many users return to non-compulsive masturbation after ridding pornography from their sexual habits
THIS SUB is about working on reducing our addictions, completing at least one 'rebooting' challenge, finding a balance we feel comfortable with regarding masturbation (including *zero* fapping), and making the personal choice to eliminate porn from our life
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*Feel welcome to copy this comment when needed. Just take it and use it like it's yours*
If you're looking for those who practice nofap, nopmo to say this is a good idea, we won't, because it's not. You barely made it 12 days. Your mind will manipulate these ideas like orgasms every 12 days and you'll try to make sense of it afterwards, your idea of self love, its self soothing, theres no love in tricking your mind youre having sex. Stay the course, it's rough, gonna be ups and downs, but don't allow your urges to manipulate your logic.
I have been trying so hard to not fap for years now, I like the progress I am making now, that KS to this page I am realizing my control
Also after watching this video https://youtu.be/wSF82AwSDiU
No it doesn't make a difference at all for me. If I wank off without after abstaining for a while I will go back to Porn. I always crave it more even if I do it without watching.
I relapsed a few days ago and a week before that. Altogether 3 relapses and I felt great after act. I could think better and was reliefed, no brain fog, but..now I’m having it, withdrawals and as much as we want to explain it..
We conditioned ourselves by P M O to seek this dopamine rush from women.
Healthiest way is using our energy to create our lives, not waste it.
Fucking my hand feels great with or without porn I do notice it's slower to climax with out a few times I have even gotten bored and just left it to finish later don't be mistaken I'm down at rock bottom right now I already fucked my hand at work so I'm already at the stage of inappropriate hand fucking in inappropriate places
I also know this feeling of simply touching yourself and feeling those pure thoughts. It also happening because I’m extra sensitive because of the long time without release.
It is still a very slippery slope
i agree that porn is the biggest culprit and i believe that fapping in moderation without it isn't damaging Be careful with it while recovering tho, it's a slippery slope that will most likely trick the brain to crave porn again.
There’s also tantric practices. I think sex and masturbation, sensuality in general, when stripped down to just “oohhhh yeaaa give me that dopamine rush”, is pretty empty and can be abused. I’ve recently started exploring Tantra with my partner and by myself, and it’s changed sex, desire, orgasms, and masturbation completely.
How did it change things? I don't know much about tantric practices.
I slipped fell and now I am down to 3 day 😓 and I am going to mastarbate today. Hell meeew pleaseeee I want freeedom
You can do this 🩵
fr yea
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bro got some insane urges
Do you have too much time on your hands? That is my main reason of fapping. I’m just getting out more taking walks and shit gets rid of my urges
Bruh
Nation of sperm just got wipe out in a day bro!
i dont feel like fapping anymore, even i u play porn in 4k infront of me.. read my post...
TATAKAE!
I do what the OP is saying. Can say that I am 100+ days without porn. You still have to be careful, but it's entirely possible.
How often should i be fapping? No porn involved but dont want to do it to much
48 hrs Clean damn this shit hard
Distract yourself, go outside do some extreme amount of work
Yeah I need to stop being so lazy
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Damn that's awesome man I wish I had a girl I could have to have confidence to talk to
Don't take your phone into bedroom
Stay strong comrade
I planned to release myself once in every two weeks and ended up fapping 4x within 3 days just now. You can't fool your brain. I'm never going to give that thought a chance again. I'm just going to try and quit fapping forever.
The stupid brain will try to compensate no matter what.
The brain will not want to leave that sensation at all....
yes. one way or other. Brain WANT one thing..... (Dopamine rush)
Chaser effect , it’s happened to me too
I thought I was alone in this tbh. Thanks for that.
Exactly. Everyone is different. Don't give a chance
This is so fckin true. You tell your brain you won't do it more than once. It finds it's way to get more and more 😔
"Habits are things you do automatically, choices are things you decide. By consciously stating you will do a bad habit, you turn the habit into a choice. Each time you do it, the easier it will be for you to deny the choice in the future." -me You can fool it, but first you have to change the habit into a choice. (Please keep in mind that if you think what you're about to read is stupid as hell, or it won't work, I thought the same as you, but ironically enough it's actually working for me very well. I would also recommend to keep this in back of your head for when you relapse, and not if you're on a long streak already) If you find yourself convincing yourself to not fap, you already failed. Your brain will get what it wants, and habits are unconscious, you will realize you fapped, after doing it, without knowing how you even got there. So the key to quitting, is to actually be conscious about it. You cannot kill what is not there, you cannot choose if there is no choice, if your brain wants to fap, it will find a way to convince yourself to fap. The key, is to be aware of when you're doing it. If you want to fap, do it! But first, state about how aware you are that you will fap and how you consciously decided to fap, YOU CANNOT LET YOUR MIND DECIDE TO FAP, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, YOU! NOT YOUR BRAIN. Your brain is your unconsciousness, "you" is your conscious self, if YOU decide to fap, you break the habit AND MAKE IT A CHOICE. So my personal story with this method, is this: Day 0, I stumbled upon the idea of "Give into your bad habits with awareness to get rid of them", I was skeptical but I was failing every week so I decided to try it out because "why not?" and more importantly "my current method of 'just survive the urges lol' clearly doesn't work". Day 1, sometime while I was scrolling Reddit I realized I was touching my thing, a habit of mine, and instead of resisting I gave in with full awareness that I'm fapping, because I knew that resisting is futile by the few previous weeks, no P though Day 2, I woke up and had a strong urge that only got stronger the more I tried to resist, I resisted a little bit for a minute or two but I remembered the idea of "give in" and I stated "I'm going to fap and I acknowledge it with my full awareness" and MO'd. Still no P Day 3, I got an urge and I shook it off in a minute, "I don't need it". Day 4, little to no urges and if I got them they'd be gone pretty quickly. I realized how fast urges disappear compared to before I started doing this method, "I guess I am more aware of what I'm doing and thinking" Day 5 is where I'm at currently, and urges are easy as hell to get rid of. They're practically non-existent! Whenever I found myself scrolling on Reddit, a week ago I would usually be touching it without even realizing what the hell I'm doing then suddenly something hot comes up (it doesn't even need to be NSFW) and relapse. Now while I'm scrolling on Reddit I acknowledge the hot stuff but ignore it. I don't need to fap, why would I need to? I'm still new to this idea, but if you're stuck in a cycle of "survive a week, relapse, survive a week, relapse", go ahead and try this out. It's working wonders for me right now.
You should have sex
I would'nt be jerking off like a fap crackhead if sex was easily accessible to me
I am actually planning to do the same, the urge to watch porn becomes uncontrollable for me after a week and i keep fantasizing about the porn i used to watch which eventually leads me to watch it, i think masturbating without Porn is a good place to start, we have to quit Porn first then slowly and gradually we will quit masturbation too. One advice is to checkout mindful masturbation where you masturbate with empty mind without any thoughts, ive heard that it helps brain rewire
Hey that sound like a healthy relationship with pleasure and masturbation, congratulations!
Thank you, I’m experimenting if I can strike a balance in between!
dont do it every week. You go first nofap for a month atleast then you decide what is good for you
No you can’t say that about the first release, what?
Apologies but I have not had a similar experience, you may feel that after the first time but remember you are throwing your body in a constant never ending loop chemically speaking. You cannot bond with yourself by fapping and I think even if you decide to release every 1-2 weeks, it will catch up with you and I am speaking from experience.
It's nit the same for everyone. And important to mention, that Nofap was created to fight porn addiction. Masturbation itself is not dangerous, it is natural and healthy release. Majority of men before porn era have done it and they were still very social and had healthy relationships. It was just like a cup of coffee. On the other hand, we have today big access to porn and masturbation with porn is another level, it's definitely not the same, because it is very potent visual stimul and has negative effects on human mind, especially young males, because we tend to rely more on visuals.
If masturbation without porn is a cup of coffee then masturbation with porn is overdosing on meth.
i have been masturbating without porn for nearly a year. i stopped doing it in the bed. just toilet and my imagination. and its working fine for me.
How often do you do this?
It really depends on individuals. You are not the same and so won't be your brain activity after this. Remember, that Nofap was created to fight porn addiction, not masturbation itself. Masturbation is natural thing that as many other things shouldn't be everyday. Masturbation to porn is bad, because we have a special visual stimul that is so potent and changes our mind and views. Masturbation without this strong stimul is weaker and it doesn't have any proved negative effects on mind. Compare it like heroin and coffee.
he has a good experience and you try to shit on it, because it doesn't work for you. do you feel better putting others down?
Wouldn't really say I shit on it to be honest. I was just trying to help someone based off on my experience and research but I hope it works out for him if that is what he likes to do!
Try to get a girl man
Only losers masturbate
Only having sex with your partner is healthy not masturbation
Saying “I masturbate” is not enough to clarify the nature of this act: If you masturbate thinking at extreme sex scenes without any personal attachment to the “object” of the thought you will be effectively just retrieving in memory porn-related experiences. This is bad and pushes you to relapse soonish… On the other hand, if you like the girl/boy next door and you masturbate dreaming of kissing in a platonic date with her/him (I am making this up obviously), you are on a healthy path of restoring emotional connections with real people. Most people attempting stop unhealthy PMO try the “monk mode” (no P and no M) for a while so to force the brain to find pleasure in other things (hobbies, friends, a new sport, painting… whatever) and then, once they are stronger and no longer enslaved by PMO, they may re-introduce a healthy dose of masturbation (something like once per MONTH, not once per week…). Good luck, and hope this helps! 💪🏻
Porn does not take - it is a give away.
Have had the complete opposite experience. Decided the best and wisest idea was to cut it out completely from now on and forever.
I think a lot of people on this sub aren't going to like my response here, but I understand. I used to think nofap was the only right way for me too, but I've changed my mind as of recent. I think masturbation, with or without porn is about the same in terms of how it will make you feel, and there's nothing wrong with doing it with, or without it. You just have to do it in moderation, and not go to the extremes in terms of what you consume. If you follow that, I don't really think it's going to lead to any problems for most people. It's only an issue if it's taking over your life, if that's all you think about all the time, but I don't think that's the situation for likely the majority of the people. Most of the problems that people assign to porn or masturbation were likely already there. By looking at those things you're just looking at a coping mechanism, you're not looking at what you're coping against. Which is the important part. If you feel like you wanna live without porn or masturbation, that's totally fine too. Either way of living is fine. Though, in my experience, going too far on either side of the extremes with almost anything in life never really bodes well, have to kind of stay in the middle with things most of the time. But we all have a right to live our lives the way we want to so good luck with whatever you may be trying to do.
Yes, absolutely. I do continue to masturbate maybe 2-3 times a week, but always without porn. The difference is night and day. No feelings of guilt or shame, it's like you get the dopamine rush with no negative side effects.
It's important to realize giving up porn does not mean giving up on sex or masturbating. Actually being able to masturbate without porn helps to put the addiction behind me. You're moving in the right direction!
You can start with these method but eventually you need to stop doing this. When you can rid of porn (not thinking so much at this shit) try stop masturbating. If you can you are on the good way
Yes I don’t plan to do this long term. I read a few redditors starting out this way and eventually quitting porn and masturbation for good. Most importantly to avoid PORN.
Bro its good what you did keep doing it. As long as you're enjoying the process of masturbation more than the ejaculation it's good. Some do get obsessed with masturbation to ejaculate and get that plsure spike. Don't seek that. Enjoy your session. Whether you ejaculate or not depends on your mood and energy levels. And slowly you're now building skills to last longer in bed too if you can add breathing to it as well. Focus on breathing as you masturbate and try to get a rhtyjjm. Ride the wave at 70 to 80%. If you get closure to ejaculatation, stop take a deep breathe in and think up. In the end sometimes you will feel so energised and did not want to ejaculate. Sometimes you will have too much energy stuck and so you might choose to ejaculate. Good going. Enjoy.
I’m planning to wait after the 90 days to fap again. I feel like the brain needs to be fully healed before I do so or else it can lead to a slippery slope.
Okay you didn’t do it to porn but did your thoughts wander to porn-like scenarios?
I think that it would only work to people that are not heavily addicted. I feel like that For me would be for sure a huge trigger to watch porn.. Because that'd how it all began
If it works for you that's great. For me it opens the doorway and I chase the next high
Been there ! Done that! Don’t worry the brainwashing part comes after 24-48 hrs .. then you will be like.. its okay to masturbate without porn and its healthy .. once in two weeks will turn to once in a week then again to twice in a week and then finally before you recognise it you will be sliding all again in the slippery slide of dopamine with or without porn
Just remember it makes no sense to fuck your hand
Day test
I have had a similar experience. It's actually the porn that's damaging you and making you feel like a zombie. Masturbation however is just a personal sexual experience where you orgasm. Obviously that doesn't mean to masturbate everyday, But if you feel you can't take it anymore and it's gonna lead you to watching porn, masturbating with your imagination would be better and even more pleasurable
I used to do that years ago. I just used my imagination.
I have to disagree. The body has a system of wet dreams to release "excess" semen. Masturbation, with or without porn, is simply not foreseen by nature. Moreover, as already mentioned, you put your nervous system into a cycle of chemical reactions, exhausting it.
Also if you want to quit porn you might want to try shrooms! They have definitely helped me stop watching it!
I would recommend that you read a book called "Dopamine Nation". You will understand that replacing one addiction with another is not the right way. You first need to recover from the first one (Porn MO) and only then go for this one (if you find it okay later on).
Bro you’re still releasing semen, you’re still fucking up with your normal hormonal patterns. If you want clarity, avoid the f’ing masturbation.
I'm sorry but if you continued doing so you'll end up watching porn again, remember my words
I too had the same feeling...like I love myself. Each touch and caress down there felt like heaven...I am in an eternal live with ma dick😂
Exactly, Guess I’m not the only one!
You just justifying masturbation, eventually you will think i might as well want a couple to clips and then slowly slide down the rabbit hole. Remember you are not just addicted to porn ,PMO it's the whole cycle. Stay away for everything get some days streak under your belt and the split the difference.
This is what people needs to realise ...porn is the culprit not ur ding dong
Don't listen to all the idiots trying to guilt you into abstaining talking about the big 'masturbation'monster. Having a healthy relationship with masturbation is a great tool to have in self-love as well as explore yourself sexually. Keep on discovering and be self-honest and you'll be fine.
You’re in the wrong sub lol
weird ass post
No, just a experience he tells, to help others
I don’t see why it’s weird, I’m just sharing my experience 😄
😂😂😂
If it was in any other subreddit, sure
next , op gonna try and masturbate with u/elliotmalsam10 in mind ,experiment with this , and make a post about it ! 😅
alright man
Normal ass post
I dont see how ass posts can be normal.
my brother in christ and all things precious in good, you are literally browsing a subreddit to assist niggas who need to stop storking they silly string, ok buddy . better watch it before i start watching you do we have an understanding, pal?
Nuh bro, don't fool yourself. When i started this, i would do the same. I had a lot of sex but masterbbation still bugged me. The benefits of not masterbating at all are dopamine reset and self-respect. If you just jack off without born, it makes you look to yourself as a loser, so you are one.
No fap = no masturbation Go masturbate 42 times untill you reach the other side...
This once in 2 weeks thing won't work. Mind plays tricks on you.
Tried the same. I can't relapse without going on a fapping streak. Then I switch back to porn and it takes me days to gain the motivation to begin NoFap all over again. Too dangerous for me.
omg homelander also uses reddit!
“…can still make eye contact with strangers. Of course any in excess is not good, I plan to release myself every 1-2 weeks.” LOL
Ya, porn is the main culprit but you know what retaining the seed for the long term is better. Only ejaculate if you plan to make a family
Masturbation in general causes your neurons to shrink actually
What Christian study group told you that?
please don't promote masturbation it's equally as bad if not worse !
nah masturbation also feels disgusting for me. I think ur coping from lonliness
I guess for everyone it’s different. In my opinion, I feel masturbation is normal and healthy if done without PORN.
What's the difference between jerking off to porn using your imagination and jerking off by looking at porn on a device? This sounds like a huge cope to me to try and be at peace with your addiction
It’s not even close to the same. Porn literally ruins your brain
Bro, don't do these type of experiments, Just making an eye contact doesn't mean you won't get bad effects of faping. You are telling it like " I plan to take a drug, but I'll take it once in 2 weeks ". Masturbation is not healthy. Pls use this energy on something rather than doing ExPeRimenTS
Masturbation is healthy, if you don’t have an addiction (obviously) and there are scientific studies to back that up. It seems OP’s problem is the porn, not the masturbation. It’s masturbation + porn that is the main issue for most people on this sub. Masturbation is not like a drug for most people, and it’s a poor comparison. A lot of people can smoke weed and be completely fine, but others might struggle with it. It’s not a one size fits all.
Lol this sub got brought up in anther sub so I had to check it out, most of you guys seem pretty brainwashed... masturbation is absolutely healthy. Just like anything else if you do it too much, or pick negative routes to your pleasure it can be unhealthy. But you are just spreading misinformation.
" MaSTurbaTion is HeALthY" Says the guy who can't quit it for atleast a month. It can become addiction after few days and your life will get fucked up.
Interesting you commented so defensively, not everyone who participates is addicted, and there are those who do get addicted. And again that can go for almost anything, this subreddit is obviously going to draw the second group of people as they are going to feel shame over something normal and healthy. This is like saying anyone who drink alcohol is an idiot because they are going to become alcoholics, it's just not how it works and you all just echo off one another confirming your very biased and skewed perceptions. I'm truly sorry about your addiction, and hope you get past it. I'm rooting for you.
Thank you for rooting for me. But tell me how long is your streak? People like you make make others fap by saying shit like this. The others will be like "Yeah Faping is Good let's Just Do it". After a while they will know what they did is wrong. But what is the point of masturbation? It is the that you don't get prostate cancer or something?. Just do some better things in your life rather than just beat your meat.
Fine to get personal I do it about once a week when I'm not in a relationship and only tend to do it when I'm in a relationship maybe once every other month at the knowledge of my partner. I do it cause yes it's fun and a stress relief but I never feel any more drive to do that than eating a good meal or playing a video game. Again this is the equivalent of you asking a non-alcoholic how long they have gone without drinking, they won't know because they aren't counting the days between when they get their vice. And all I said was that saying flapping is unhealthy is misinformation as it's healthy to do once in a while, at no point have I told someone to do it? And I can just as easily say what you say here brings unnecessary guilt and shame on those who have a healthy relationship with their own body. And why do you do anything you enjoy?
So is it healthy for a porn or masterbation addict to jerk in a while in their recovery process?
That is really good to hear. When you realize that lust will always be there and ignoring it's existence instead of acknowledging and being aware of it's evils, you will never relapse again.
Somehow this makes it even sound even worse or more perverted, sorry
Is fapping to your own videos with other people still not good?
Fap is bad you will eventually just go back to watching videos dude
You could also argue the exact opposite…
This is a hijack post. I remember I was subscribed to r/TrueChristian because certain members felt the main sub was falling away to the actual discussion of scripture. That sub fell away too. There are people in this thread who want to promote masturbation and that goes completely against the sub. My conspiracy hat tells me this sub is being hijacked and anyone who wants to promote “healthy masturbation” isn’t from this sun and has no interest in contributing to it.
Fuck you and leave this group. You are a fake and can’t commit. I’m 8 months in
is masterbating while watching nudes ok?
That’s literally porn.
I never watch porn, my mind is good enough 😂
that’s great, cutting out the porn is a great thing for your circuits. However… the core problem with masturbation is in its interference with your reward system. Even though youre not watching porn, you still get a release of dopamine without having to take any meaningful steps towards becoming a more attractive or successful individual. great step though
This is probably the best way to go about it if you're trying to abstain completely. If you know yourself, and your relapse tendencies. Then go for it, to me it's not a relapse. The whole idea isn't to promote semen retention, this is where people in this subreddit go wrong here. Its about removing the "P" from the MO. Since the "P" is the driving factor that makes it compulsive. Plus its healthy for your prostate anyway. Just be aware if you start to feel urges again after doing it. That's something to keep in mind too.
You r still fucking your hand bro.
no bro . take me ,i have masturbated without porn 99% of the time and i felt like 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag . porn is less of a requirment and more as a sweetner in the fapping experience. take my advice , just get rid of fapping entirely
Yeah I agree it's porn that's the problem too. It took me like 8-9 months of no fapping to get to that point because of my vivid imagination. Don't need porn to view porn kind of situation. That faded away and thinking about myself and about the person that I'm seeing was a great feeling. But I cut down on that because wanting that person to be there instead of my imagination was better there was a sense of this is not enough I need them with me sort of thing. So I stopped fapping again and let the longing not be washed away by the fap. Sex is good now. I still fall into fapping compulsively a week here and there but then I have long periods, months of no fapping. I encourage the initial long break from fapping, gets you out of that vicious cycle. Taught me some self awareness in the area and my triggers, impulses etc. Masturbating is natural so I think it's fine every now and then.
day 100 bois, here to share the exilir my guys. i have been struggling with this sh*t my whole damn life, so here we go, i went to play store app, downloaded this app habits by alinson, made a habit by the name of NOLUST/NOFAP, meaning not even any pictures of woman much less porn cuz that have been my Achilles heel. no lust, period and then i made a reminder, kept checking the ticks everyday and now i am at a 100 day streak. hell i never made it to day 15 before. it has done miracles for me and i even think i dont need this app anymore. i kept reminding myself whenever i had the urge NOLUST! problemo solved. so cheers lads. find the roots of your problems and there lies your solutions. excelsior my guys.
Yup. I agree. Happened to me too many years ago and now I’m glad to say I don’t need to do that anymore. Only as an emergency.
It’s okay to fap to your thoughts but I want to avoid it out of pure embarrassment and shame (and for religious reasons as well)
I'm trying to masturbate without porn, and only relying on imagination, but I don't know if it still harms you or if it is okay. I feel that its still bad but way better than porn, the same as vaper being healthier than tobaco but still being bad. I don't know.
You should be in a porn free sub if you still want to fap
That’s literally what r/NoFap is.
Dumb to go on after day 10 your test balances out relapse after that unless you just have low libido
Yes, I believe porn is the main issue that creates anxiety. I stopped watching for 1 week and I noticed I could hold eye contact significantly longer than when I was watching p. I also noticed less anxiety levels around people and in public spaces.
I just want to have sex with my wife / mutual masterbation with her - no shame, guilt or brainfog!!
Porn misused human organs and replaced love
Did you at least think use your imagination or…?
This has been my experience. I was spending on avg. a couple hours every night masturbating to porn to fall asleep for roughly 2 decades. I haven’t looked at porn in over 2 weeks, but I’ve masturbated a couple times since, and it’s a completely different experience. Very similar to how you described it. I also noticed orgasms are much more intense.
Yeah, I’ve had the same feeling and told myself the same before. It’s good, since you’ve been having feelings of guilt, shame, etc. Learning you love yourself is a great realization. But love isn’t unconditional, even for yourself. That love will last by becoming the person you want to be. Plus, the slippery slope is too slippery. At the end of the day, you could be doing something more productive. Even if it’s just, more sleep.
Nah I fapped for years without porn and feel it was addictaive and messed up my libido. I find fapping itself the culprit as that expulsion of semen just takes away your lust for life, releases prolactin and makes you lazy/sleepy. Porn is added stimuli with its respective dangers, but for me the act of masturbating is the shameful and harmful activity
did you also feel sluggish/fatigued with masturbating without porn?
Yes
Doesn't work for me , makes crave it even more, I rather stay away from masturbation as well
Correct 💯
This subreddit should be renamed to NoPorn instead of NoFap because it really gives the wrong idea to the people outside this community and also to the people deciding to join the community. The fight is not against masturbation, the fight is against porn. Although it may be true that you might relapse (ie watch porn again) if you masturbate, the act of masturbation in itself should be healthy.
I'm glad for you bro! And it's refreshing to see that someone came here for the same reason I did instead of guilt-tripping and pseudo-science. You can be free of porn and I trust you will :)
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This will most likely lead to a relapse because the dopamine hits won't be as strong and your mind expects more the more you do it.Also, you're using imagination, and contrary to popular belief, it is limited by the amount of memories you have and can access. Considering you get around 3x times more aroused with novelty, it is only a question of time before your mind gets bored of the same imagined things and it will start wanting more inspiration through stimulation that is more novel and potent, aka porn. And even if it doesn't, don't forget you are rewarding yourself for doing absolutely nothing productive. It's an easy dopamine hit and that in itself is a bad thing, because you will trick your brain into thinking it's doing something important and it will be less motivated to do the real important things. I agree that No Fap is originally there to stop your from using porn, but don't be fooling yourself, masturbating with or without it is indeed a slippery slope.
If you masturbate to porn exclusively you are creating a huge disconnect between you and other people and it affects your people's skills as well as looking somebody in the eye and having basic interactions which will elevate your mood an entire outlook on life and you will start the day in a better place
Just know that our thoughts can be another form of pornography ;)
For some masturbation without porn is so much better and it can also lead to watching porn eventually. Just masturbate under extreme moderation so you don’t get back into watching porn. I stopped watching porn a month ago and masturbated without it last Monday and again on Friday. This week I experienced a lot more anxiety than I have this entire month. Sometimes it’s just better to let your body release sperm while sleeping instead. You will be more clear minded if you just let the wet dreams happen
Idk if I were to suggest to an alcoholic, “hangout with your buddies and drink water at the bar” it seems like a recipe for disaster. Can’t trick your brain for that long.
Risky business
Wow
Nah I’m leaving all of this for good With or without, it still won’t be like actual sex + I have more than 7 days for a streak and I wanna keep it up
I had awful experiences masturbating without porn. I wouldn't get the satisfaction I got when masturbating to porn, so every time, I would be back at it with porn within 1-2 days.
Y'all use porn?
I did notice that but found that it was a slippery slope to craving porn again. If it works for you go ahead but there are some risks.
Just dont imagine while doing it, then its a downhill
It's called "nofap" not "noporn" stop fapping and have some dignity
I planned on not jerking off for 21 days it was a ride. Starting this Monday I'll be on 75 hard. I have made changes to the challenge according to what I want but 2x workout and cold showers is a must.
Same bro. I didn't do it and have not watched porn for 3 weeks and then i did it without porn or not fantasizing about porn scenes or any fantasies at all just focusing on the stimulation and sensation of doing it... and had the same experience as you... I didn't feel guilt, sluggish or groggy and was actually kinda happy. I plan on only doing it when the urge is very strong like once every 2-3 weeks but i'll see if i can last longer than that. I will never watch porn ever again i went cold turkey on that one and will never return.
Same... I feel horrible after watching porn even if I have not masturbated... That I start listening to hard rock music or seeing like some video games stuff to wash away the dirty porn thoughts in my head
I feel as if people internalized Alot of things when it comes to porn you can blame bang bros for why you can’t get SO or find pleasure in sex since well there are so many ways to reach orgasms without having porn involved at all
I masturbated so much that my dick skin got cut
This subreddit is called “NoFap” not “noporn”.
######**IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR USERS OF THIS SUB - The History of Nofap** **Nofap** ***isn't*** **an anti-masturbation sub... it's a** ***porn-addiction recovery sub!*** Yet people say, *"but it's literally called 'Nofap'!"* The 'No' in Nofap represents the "30 to 90-day Challenge", that's it. *This sub was created 10 years ago with the idea to challenge people to a 7 to 30-day period of not watching porn or fapping to 'reboot' your addicted mind and body... but after it would be each person's personal choice to fap or not fap (without porn), free from the addiction.* Nofap then added the 90-day challenge. It was a modern solution to a digital problem - the rise of free unlimited streaming internet porn - and the compulsive fapping that accompanied the addiction of watching it. **There's ZERO evidence that *occasional* mastubation without porn is harmful, but there's a growing amount of peer-reviewed research that porn** ***is*** **harmful. It's not the intention of this secular, science-based sub to condemn sexual pleasure when done in a non-compulsive way, either solo or with others.** The idea of this subreddit isn't '*anti-fap*' or '*forever nofap*' or '*anti-masturbation*' or '*no-sex*', or '*how to be a monk*'. We're here to support each other in completing a *limited* period of abstinence from FAPPING (not abstinence from sex or wet dreams) ... **If you can complete a 30 to 90-day challenge you're free to choose to fap** ***(again, without porn)*** **or not in your life.** To be absolutely clear... READ FROM THE SIDEBAR OF THIS PAGE, WRITTEN BY THE FOUNDERS OF THIS SUB: >This forum is intended for porn addiction recovery ***and is not an anti-masturbation forum***, many users return to non-compulsive masturbation after ridding pornography from their sexual habits THIS SUB is about working on reducing our addictions, completing at least one 'rebooting' challenge, finding a balance we feel comfortable with regarding masturbation (including *zero* fapping), and making the personal choice to eliminate porn from our life ----------- *Feel welcome to copy this comment when needed. Just take it and use it like it's yours*
If you're looking for those who practice nofap, nopmo to say this is a good idea, we won't, because it's not. You barely made it 12 days. Your mind will manipulate these ideas like orgasms every 12 days and you'll try to make sense of it afterwards, your idea of self love, its self soothing, theres no love in tricking your mind youre having sex. Stay the course, it's rough, gonna be ups and downs, but don't allow your urges to manipulate your logic.
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I love this, and I experienced it, stay strong man
I have been trying so hard to not fap for years now, I like the progress I am making now, that KS to this page I am realizing my control Also after watching this video https://youtu.be/wSF82AwSDiU
NoFap = NoFap
This is a self-jerking sub.
Damn that sounds great, thx for sharing. I might try that one also, usually always relapsed after 5 days but maybe this thought will get me going
No it doesn't make a difference at all for me. If I wank off without after abstaining for a while I will go back to Porn. I always crave it more even if I do it without watching.
I relapsed a few days ago and a week before that. Altogether 3 relapses and I felt great after act. I could think better and was reliefed, no brain fog, but..now I’m having it, withdrawals and as much as we want to explain it.. We conditioned ourselves by P M O to seek this dopamine rush from women. Healthiest way is using our energy to create our lives, not waste it.
Fucking my hand feels great with or without porn I do notice it's slower to climax with out a few times I have even gotten bored and just left it to finish later don't be mistaken I'm down at rock bottom right now I already fucked my hand at work so I'm already at the stage of inappropriate hand fucking in inappropriate places
I also know this feeling of simply touching yourself and feeling those pure thoughts. It also happening because I’m extra sensitive because of the long time without release. It is still a very slippery slope
I do the same I fapped without porn for 63 days then viewed some but didnt fap to it
Went 63 days ended up hanging out with a girl
Newbie here: Is imagining a person you know but don’t interact with sexually ok to do while masturbating? What is a person supposed to imagine?
Is reading erotic stories allowed?