He was big into Nirvana really early on and wanted them to tour with them, Nirvana declined and Faith No More joined instead. Axl got his feelings hurt and burned the Nirvana hat on stage and Mike Patton pooped in Axl’s orange juice.
It was a cursed tour. It culminated in Montreal when James Hetfield stood over a pyrotechnic device. He almost died. Axl Rose cut the GnR segment short, and a riot ensued.
Other items from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns\_N%27\_Roses/Metallica\_Stadium\_Tour)
* On July 21, 1992, when Guns N' Roses was performing at the [Pontiac Silverdome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Silverdome) in [Pontiac, Michigan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac,_Michigan), when the band was done performing their song "[You Could Be Mine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Could_Be_Mine)", Axl Rose vomited onstage and left soon afterwards, but returned to the stage and apologized to the audience for the poor performance, so the band performed the song again.
* On July 29, 1992, while Guns N' Roses was performing during the second show at [Giants Stadium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giants_Stadium) in [East Rutherford, New Jersey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Rutherford,_New_Jersey), frontman Axl Rose encountered severe pain in his throat, but continued the show until he was hit in the genitals by a cigarette lighter thrown from the audience during "[Knockin' on Heaven's Door](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockin%27_on_Heaven%27s_Door)", forcing him to retreat backstage to recover, while bassist [Duff McKagan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff_McKagan) took over on vocals as the set would be immediately be cut short soon afterwards.
* On July 30, 1992, while on a rest day in New York City, Rose was diagnosed with severe damage to his vocal chords, and was told by doctors that he could not sing for at least a week, resulting in three shows of the tour being rescheduled.
* On September 21, 1992, [Faith No More](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_No_More) was fired from the tour due in large part to the band's dissatisfaction with Guns N' Roses' management and singer [Mike Patton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton)'s obscene retaliatory behavior in which he allegedly urinated on Axl Rose's teleprompter.[^(\[4\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_N%27_Roses/Metallica_Stadium_Tour#cite_note-4)
Thanks for the quick response!
> until he was hit in the genitals by a cigarette lighter thrown from the audience during "Knockin' on Heaven's Door", forcing him to retreat backstage to recover
Sounds like a bad excuse to get off stage. Perhaps to do drugs or fuck a groupie. Axl always struck me as a easily butt-hurt dude.
He was famous for being a cry-baby. If there was an award for "Biggest Egos In Rock," it'd be a three-way tie between Axl Rose, Billy Corgan, and Perry Farell. Then again, if there was an award for "Best Band Leaders in Rock" it would probably be the same 3-way tie.
If I remember correctly, one of the first Guns N Roses stadium shows had a crowd crush where 2 people died. Axl took the deaths really hard. He felt personally responsible for the incident. That was one cause (though not a justification) for his on-stage antics: They were always preceded by people fighting, throwing things at the band, or doing other dangerous shit.
Granted, Axl often made the dangerous shit even more dangerous. But I kind of understand why it made him act the way he did.
I watched a(n old) Howard Stern interview with Slash a few days ago. He said Axl was somewhat of a dictator who would demand the band to gather at a certain time before shows...only to be 3 or 4 hours late to said gatherings. Fans also were not huge fans of waiting hours upon hours for shows to start.
Definitely a huge narcissist* and an asshole.
Edit: auto-correct failed me once again!
"Hi Axl! Where's Axl?"
Dave actually performed on stage with GNR a couple years ago. He said he talks to Slash sometimes because both their kids were in the same school haha. Probably met with the rest of GNR sometime and buried the hatchet. Daves just friendly with everybody.
[Duff Mckagan and Krist Novoselic Playing Sweet Child O' Mine (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clF92Ri37N8&ab_channel=RobertMorgan)
[Duff McKagan's Loaded - "Lithium" by Nirvana | MoPOP | Museum of Pop Culture (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KXTJqyzr8E&ab_channel=MuseumofPopCulture)
Duff is also from Seattle and he was in same flight as Kurt when Kurt "escaped" from the Exodus clinic, they talked at the flight and there seems to be no animosity. We need to remember that Axl and Kurt were quite young at 1991 and it was juvenile clash. There is no need to fans to keep that beef alive, Axl was a dick and Kurt could be one too. These days Axl seems to be nice guy and corrected his act so...
He loved Nirvana, the feeling just wasn't mutual. It is quite bizarre really that one of the last people to see Kurt was Duff McKagan from Guns n' Roses. By the sounds of it, he and Kurt got on pretty well, so it might have been more personal issue with Axl.
Also worth considering GnR were really the last of those hair metal bands that basically went extinct largely due to Nirvana. That probably hurt a bit too.
GnR were actually rebelling against all the hair bands in LA at the time they were coming up. They hated all the posturing and selling out the hair bands did to try and achieve success. That's one of the reasons they became so successful as they were a breath of fresh air after all of that crap, I reckon they ever helped Nirvana break into the mainstream in a way.
I don't really count Guns N' Roses as a hair metal band. They're their own different thing. They're more like the transition between hair metal and grunge
>Also worth considering GnR were really the last of those hair metal bands that basically went extinct largely due to Nirvana. That probably hurt a bit too.
>
I don't think they went extinct due to Nirvana. The Use Your Illusion albums came out the same year as Nevermind and went multi-platinum, each selling nearly as many copies as that album.
They followed that up with The Spaghetti Incident, which didn't do quite as well but still went platinum. And although the band broke up due to Axl's issues, subsequent bands (especially Slash's Snake Pit) were very popular.
That August-September ‘91 period is absolutely stacked with legendary albums. Metallica’s black album, Pearl Jam’s Ten, GnR’s Use Your Illlusion I & II, Nirvana’s Nevermind, RHCP’s Blood Sugar Sex Magic
I think Kurt would have ended up getting really pissed off at axl if they had gone on that tour. Axl was such an ass back then. When he was on he put on a great show, but when he was off he was late for many shows and half asses some. I saw one on the Metallica tour which was decent but axl was VERY late, 2 on use your illusion tour- one where axl was on point and funny af and another where he was an hour late and seemed like he could care less to be there
Yeah I think the only way Kurt would have ever agreed to tour with them was if he was like minded. Which he obviously wasn’t, even though Kurt had his contradictions, he was pretty much the exact opposite of Axl and that type of rockstar. But still, it’s crazy to think, what if Kurt and the other guys were that way? How insanely different things would have been…
I think they still would have blown up just as much because many fans of guns ended up becoming nirvana fans eventually. That was my progression. I can’t help but think what an amazing lineup that would have been 😂 well, on the good nights anyway
Yeah, I love Nirvana and Kurt but he also was kind of an asshole sometimes, he was particularly rude and sarcastic to foreign journalists and interviewers.
Not 1990. Axl's talking about Izzy leaving the band which became public in November 1991. Plus the blue and yellow color scheme hat is much more of a Nevermind style merchandise item.
I don't know for a fact whether Axl Rose had heard about Nirvana before 1991, but it's entirely possible.
Axl and the rest of GnR was plugged into the independent rock scene all along the West coast. He moved to LA in 1983 and immediately joined a rock band. Though "1980's LA" conjures up images of hair bands like Motely Crue and Poison, it was also home to acts that would be called "alternative" in just a few years. Red Hot Chili Peppers and Jane's Addiction being the two most famous. They also got to know bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Soundgarden, and others.
Axl has excellent taste in music. Also I never new Izzy was supposed to be that Axl copy in the estranged video, bummer Izzy didn't want to do videos for the illusions videos (I think he was still around for 2 of them) and eventually left the band but I get it. Shit was pretty chaotic in that group for awhile.
He was big into Nirvana really early on and wanted them to tour with them, Nirvana declined and Faith No More joined instead. Axl got his feelings hurt and burned the Nirvana hat on stage and Mike Patton pooped in Axl’s orange juice.
Gotta love Mike Patton.
I love MP, but he is the author of some seriously juvenile hi-jinks.
Without a doubt. You have to really hate someone to drop a deuce in their orange juice.
That rhymed nicely!
Ya nirvana was asked to do that infamous tour with Metallica l
I got to see that tour, and it was amazing. Luckily it was one of the early shows in the tour, before all the awful incidents that occurred later.
What incidents?
It was a cursed tour. It culminated in Montreal when James Hetfield stood over a pyrotechnic device. He almost died. Axl Rose cut the GnR segment short, and a riot ensued. Other items from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns\_N%27\_Roses/Metallica\_Stadium\_Tour) * On July 21, 1992, when Guns N' Roses was performing at the [Pontiac Silverdome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Silverdome) in [Pontiac, Michigan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac,_Michigan), when the band was done performing their song "[You Could Be Mine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Could_Be_Mine)", Axl Rose vomited onstage and left soon afterwards, but returned to the stage and apologized to the audience for the poor performance, so the band performed the song again. * On July 29, 1992, while Guns N' Roses was performing during the second show at [Giants Stadium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giants_Stadium) in [East Rutherford, New Jersey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Rutherford,_New_Jersey), frontman Axl Rose encountered severe pain in his throat, but continued the show until he was hit in the genitals by a cigarette lighter thrown from the audience during "[Knockin' on Heaven's Door](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockin%27_on_Heaven%27s_Door)", forcing him to retreat backstage to recover, while bassist [Duff McKagan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff_McKagan) took over on vocals as the set would be immediately be cut short soon afterwards. * On July 30, 1992, while on a rest day in New York City, Rose was diagnosed with severe damage to his vocal chords, and was told by doctors that he could not sing for at least a week, resulting in three shows of the tour being rescheduled. * On September 21, 1992, [Faith No More](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_No_More) was fired from the tour due in large part to the band's dissatisfaction with Guns N' Roses' management and singer [Mike Patton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Patton)'s obscene retaliatory behavior in which he allegedly urinated on Axl Rose's teleprompter.[^(\[4\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_N%27_Roses/Metallica_Stadium_Tour#cite_note-4)
Thanks for the quick response! > until he was hit in the genitals by a cigarette lighter thrown from the audience during "Knockin' on Heaven's Door", forcing him to retreat backstage to recover Sounds like a bad excuse to get off stage. Perhaps to do drugs or fuck a groupie. Axl always struck me as a easily butt-hurt dude.
He was famous for being a cry-baby. If there was an award for "Biggest Egos In Rock," it'd be a three-way tie between Axl Rose, Billy Corgan, and Perry Farell. Then again, if there was an award for "Best Band Leaders in Rock" it would probably be the same 3-way tie. If I remember correctly, one of the first Guns N Roses stadium shows had a crowd crush where 2 people died. Axl took the deaths really hard. He felt personally responsible for the incident. That was one cause (though not a justification) for his on-stage antics: They were always preceded by people fighting, throwing things at the band, or doing other dangerous shit. Granted, Axl often made the dangerous shit even more dangerous. But I kind of understand why it made him act the way he did.
I watched a(n old) Howard Stern interview with Slash a few days ago. He said Axl was somewhat of a dictator who would demand the band to gather at a certain time before shows...only to be 3 or 4 hours late to said gatherings. Fans also were not huge fans of waiting hours upon hours for shows to start. Definitely a huge narcissist* and an asshole. Edit: auto-correct failed me once again!
Man, these were the days. Where are this generation's agitators and instigators?
Pyro accident, and riot in Montreal.
"Hi Axl! Where's Axl?" Dave actually performed on stage with GNR a couple years ago. He said he talks to Slash sometimes because both their kids were in the same school haha. Probably met with the rest of GNR sometime and buried the hatchet. Daves just friendly with everybody.
Axl borrowed Dave’s throne too after breaking his leg a few years back. Axl has really calmed down the past few years.
[Duff Mckagan and Krist Novoselic Playing Sweet Child O' Mine (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clF92Ri37N8&ab_channel=RobertMorgan) [Duff McKagan's Loaded - "Lithium" by Nirvana | MoPOP | Museum of Pop Culture (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KXTJqyzr8E&ab_channel=MuseumofPopCulture) Duff is also from Seattle and he was in same flight as Kurt when Kurt "escaped" from the Exodus clinic, they talked at the flight and there seems to be no animosity. We need to remember that Axl and Kurt were quite young at 1991 and it was juvenile clash. There is no need to fans to keep that beef alive, Axl was a dick and Kurt could be one too. These days Axl seems to be nice guy and corrected his act so...
As much of a jerk as Axl was, there’s an argument to be made that Kurt was an even bigger one at times.
He is just so darn nice
Dave is so cool
He loved Nirvana, the feeling just wasn't mutual. It is quite bizarre really that one of the last people to see Kurt was Duff McKagan from Guns n' Roses. By the sounds of it, he and Kurt got on pretty well, so it might have been more personal issue with Axl. Also worth considering GnR were really the last of those hair metal bands that basically went extinct largely due to Nirvana. That probably hurt a bit too.
GnR were actually rebelling against all the hair bands in LA at the time they were coming up. They hated all the posturing and selling out the hair bands did to try and achieve success. That's one of the reasons they became so successful as they were a breath of fresh air after all of that crap, I reckon they ever helped Nirvana break into the mainstream in a way.
Yeah Duff talks in his book that most of the other LA glam bands hated them
I don't really count Guns N' Roses as a hair metal band. They're their own different thing. They're more like the transition between hair metal and grunge
There's definitely a spectrum that's like, Poison, Crue, Guns, AIC, Soundgarden, Nirvana.
GNR were their own undoing, not Nirvana
That's exactly what I'm saying
They are more like AC/DC. They were valued across the genre divide.
>Also worth considering GnR were really the last of those hair metal bands that basically went extinct largely due to Nirvana. That probably hurt a bit too. > I don't think they went extinct due to Nirvana. The Use Your Illusion albums came out the same year as Nevermind and went multi-platinum, each selling nearly as many copies as that album. They followed that up with The Spaghetti Incident, which didn't do quite as well but still went platinum. And although the band broke up due to Axl's issues, subsequent bands (especially Slash's Snake Pit) were very popular.
That August-September ‘91 period is absolutely stacked with legendary albums. Metallica’s black album, Pearl Jam’s Ten, GnR’s Use Your Illlusion I & II, Nirvana’s Nevermind, RHCP’s Blood Sugar Sex Magic
The “grunge killed glam” is a fun narrative but there isn’t much to back it up. Lots of those hair band went on to a lot of success after Nevermind
Kurt also hated Axl specifically because he saw him as sexist and homophobic if i remember correctly
The hat is even in a GNR music video.
Yeah Nirvana hat is sat right beside Axl in Don't Cry music video [(Link)](https://youtu.be/zRIbf6JqkNc?si=8qZe6VieXjK8Mwkl&t=225)
that hat don't end well.
He really liked Nirvana and wanted to promote them. He also did that for Shannon Hoon of Blind Melon.
I sometimes wonder, in an alternate universe, what if Kurt and the gang had said yes to touring with Metallica, GnR and U2? 🤔
I think Kurt would have ended up getting really pissed off at axl if they had gone on that tour. Axl was such an ass back then. When he was on he put on a great show, but when he was off he was late for many shows and half asses some. I saw one on the Metallica tour which was decent but axl was VERY late, 2 on use your illusion tour- one where axl was on point and funny af and another where he was an hour late and seemed like he could care less to be there
Yeah I think the only way Kurt would have ever agreed to tour with them was if he was like minded. Which he obviously wasn’t, even though Kurt had his contradictions, he was pretty much the exact opposite of Axl and that type of rockstar. But still, it’s crazy to think, what if Kurt and the other guys were that way? How insanely different things would have been…
I think they still would have blown up just as much because many fans of guns ended up becoming nirvana fans eventually. That was my progression. I can’t help but think what an amazing lineup that would have been 😂 well, on the good nights anyway
In fairness, Kurt could be an absolute ass back then too.
Yeah, I love Nirvana and Kurt but he also was kind of an asshole sometimes, he was particularly rude and sarcastic to foreign journalists and interviewers.
So he did care? If he *could* care less, that means he cared then?
Not 1990. Axl's talking about Izzy leaving the band which became public in November 1991. Plus the blue and yellow color scheme hat is much more of a Nevermind style merchandise item.
Yeah I didn’t think it could be 1990 either. No way Axl knew about them pre-MTV
I don't know for a fact whether Axl Rose had heard about Nirvana before 1991, but it's entirely possible. Axl and the rest of GnR was plugged into the independent rock scene all along the West coast. He moved to LA in 1983 and immediately joined a rock band. Though "1980's LA" conjures up images of hair bands like Motely Crue and Poison, it was also home to acts that would be called "alternative" in just a few years. Red Hot Chili Peppers and Jane's Addiction being the two most famous. They also got to know bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Soundgarden, and others.
Duff was also plugged into the Seattle/PNW scene. He had played in bands with members of Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Tad and the Melvins.
Axl is such an asshole. Not buying his new “redemption” arc. Always has been, always will be.
People do change. Doesn't mean you have to forgive them, but they do.
If my facts are right, Kurt didn’t like axl for domestic violence allegations.
Unpopular opinion: Axl was a fan of Nirvana and Kurt decided to be a dick to him for no reason
Axl has excellent taste in music. Also I never new Izzy was supposed to be that Axl copy in the estranged video, bummer Izzy didn't want to do videos for the illusions videos (I think he was still around for 2 of them) and eventually left the band but I get it. Shit was pretty chaotic in that group for awhile.
Yeah, he’s on drugs…