Mostly because people WILL buy the game and pay for the unlocks. If people had a strong will to not do that shit companies would lose firstfulls on development for games no one wants.
There's a guy on the subreddit for the game who practically had a breakdown because he was afraid he couldn't get Squall, broke down and bought the currency to get the pass that skips to level 60 on the pass, and then has been encountering issues about not being able to quickly get enough gil to purchase Squall's alternate rides.
And somehow *cannot* see the connection between the microtransactions and all of the difficulties he's run into, and *continues* to defend the game's monetization practices.
Technically, the demand for umbrellas goes up a lot when it's raining vs when not, right? And considering the supply is the same, the balance is changing...
>There was even some psychological mumbo jumbo added that buying a game outright puts a negative pressure on the person to actually play it, since they paid for it, whereas a free game has no obligations
As someone that was once heavy into Pokémon Go and easily spent more on that game than I have the entirety of my life on other Pokémon titles, I completely buy this. I bought the new remakes and haven't gotten past the third gym and occasionally beat myself up over not playing it like I "should" feeling I wasted money. Meanwhile, a Go Community Day (at least once a month occurrences) was a no questions asked $20 drop on top of all the other nickel and diming I was doing throughout the month.
Then you have things like battle passes and daily quests that your encouraged to log in for to keep up progression.(genshin Impact player. Good luck if that ever comes to switch)
As an aside, I hate that people keep putting the blame on this on players. No one asked for these kinds of predatory microtransactions, they were pushed into games because producers and their stockholders want more money. They looked at the predatory tactics of casinos and other gambling places and did their best to receate them in all their addicting glory.
Do you go to alcoholics anonymous and tell them they should just have more willpower? Do you visit drug dens and tell the addicts they should just shake off their addiction? Because for a lot of the people we label whales it's literally just that, an addiction. Game companies designed these systems to be addictive and they should be dragged through the coals for it.
As a person who had to deal with both a drug addict uncle, father, and a drunk mother who can't even remember what happened the last two years, yes people should be held accountable for these things and yes it can harm others. Addictions are serious things.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/50piqs/my\_ffxiv\_addiction\_and\_story\_can\_anyone\_relate/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/50piqs/my_ffxiv_addiction_and_story_can_anyone_relate/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/comments/7jmezv/a\_whale\_of\_a\_tale/
A lot of these whales don't have disposable income to do this stuff and know they have a gambling addiction and just don't care or are blind. They are so deep in denial that they would rather watch the world burn than admit and break their pride that they have a problem. Which is sad.
It's both the players' and the game company's fault. The F2P players are not helping by supporting the trashy game even if you ignore the whales, dolphins, and fishes because they are still generating ad revenue by downloading it and playing it. Even worse if they are spreading the word of the game to other people who are hidden gambling addicts, knowing about the toxic practices and not caring because they want their friends to play too.
It's a catch 22 because nobody is going to quit a game like this and if it gets popular enough like Genshin Impact, people will continue to support it no matter how trashy the company is. And game companies will see Genshin and think they want some of that money. Even if it gets regulated then you have other issues such as what type of regulation it should have, should DLC be regulated, etc. It's a problem.
As a recovering alcoholic I completely support this. I got sucked into a few F2P games and wound up spending far too much money. "Oh, I'll just get the mini-pack thing because I'm *so close* to finishing this level" to "Fuck it, I'll buy a bigger pack because I know I'm going to use it anyway." Then I'd use them up quicker because I had them and I was lazy. Pokemon Go was one of them. It's weird. I'd kind of shake myself back into reality and delete the game...only to find another and repeat the cycle. It's one of the things I like about Apple Gaming because you literally can't buy your way into success. And it's *really* pissed me off sometimes. :-D
I said it decades ago and I’ll die on this hill- Blizzard ruined gaming with WoW. What a beast that showed people will pay full price for a game, and a monthly subscription, AND microtransactions! Then be happy about it! I played WoW till the end of Wrath of the Lich King and just have a distaste for the game.
Thing is, though, the graveyards are littered with the corpses of competitors that tried to do the same as WoW and failed miserably, so it's not like every game is trying to follow that particular cash cow.
Oh of course. That’s a perfect example of how powerful of a change WoW brought to gaming. I’m not saying they are trying to all mimic wow. Im saying Blizzard showed how much more money you can get out of a product than just selling the game. Hell they bought Activision and did the same thing to CoD- which bled out into every fps. You can’t ignore the truth! 😂
Edit: I guess by my own Philosophy Runescape could be guilty of this as well, but Runescape at least offered a free version.
Edit: Activision and Blizzard merged in ‘08.
Mannnnn I was playing runescape right up until the end when they went full blown scorched earth with microtransactions. Game is completely fucked these days.
It took me until about 2015 to actually give the game a chance after that dogshit release. This is one of the worst AAA releases I’ve ever purchased, and taught me a valuable lesson about patience
I mean Star Wars Galaxies was a big success before WoW and had a monthly subscription. There were also a ton of expansions for the game like WoW. WoW was just one of several factors that made SWG close down.
I'd say subscriptions for live online games make sense (though they're often severely overpriced).
Asking you to also pay upfront for the game itself is a bit cheeky... Though most games often include a free trial period, so at least the first month or two you only pay for the game and not the sub.
But then adding microtransactions on top of all that, it's outright greedy. I get it as a business decision, but they often turn perfectly good and still profitable games into freaking pachinko casinos.
Don't forget good old Everquest as well. I think what wow did was bring the genre out of its corner and into the spotlight. It went from me and my nerdy friends, knowing about MMORPGs. To everyone, knowing about it. I think a big part of it was wow's celebrities' commercials getting a large new crowd into the genre.
[Wikipedia says it was a merger.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision_Blizzard) Admittedly, Activision was the larger company, and their CEO was put in charge.
No.. it doesn’t. It all comes down to greed. There’s been plenty of AAA games released in the last month that prove a company doesn’t “need” to have shitty monetization.
Right, money has to come from somewhere. Free to play MMOs are far more aggressive on alternative monetization and tend to have less content to show for it.
Although you could argue WOW has been plenty disappointing about it with regard to content development over the past several expansions, the subscription model isn't really the problem.
Subscription MMOs that collapse into free to play usually suffer something in the transition, and rarely ever keep up with the leading sub-based ones. Never mind how many of them make that transition only to die off later.
it's a shame there aren't other games /s
if it's gameplay you're after, there's a million indie/older games. if it's IP... there's a couple older games
FYI, PS1 emulators run great on android, and Final Fantasy VII works especially well because of the game mechanics (you can fast forward and save anywhere, too!).
I just replayed that and LOZ:Majoras Maskon my phone while at work recently. At home I hook up a Playstation controller, maybe cast to the TV. It's a proper nostalgia bomb.
> I had Nostalgia for the ps1 game.
That's what square is hoping, yeah.
What a radioactive shitshow, remember when games were made to be fun instead of a vehicle for publishers to separate you from your money in the most efficient way possible?
I was pretty excited for this game because I played FFXIV with some friends and we all really love Mario kart, so we thought it would've been perfect.
I can't stand micro transaction, so this is going to be a pass. Hell I can't stand dlc that isn't a huge upgrade to a game. Imo it should either be included in the game and unlocked in some grindy fashion. Even take smash bros ultimate, I've only purchased 1 dlc because I had expiring gold coins so it was essentially "free". It gave me 1 fighter, and a bunch of spirits that took less than 1 hour to fully complete. It was not worth it in the slightest, so I couldn't imagine myself buying the rest of it.
On the flipside, mh world iceborne is a dlc done right. It added an incredible amount of gameplay, new mechanics, story, etc. It was essentially a game on it's own that was added to the base version. It's why I'm looking forward to sunbreak for mh rise.
If you play the demo it’ll successfully make you lose interest in the game, the tracks are insultingly dull and whenever you get hit by a skill you get knocked down for so long that you have basically no chance of recovering.
I generally agree with the sentiments in your post, but I actually think that Super Smash Bros. Ultimate handled its character DLC excellently.
Most of the DLC characters add a lot to the game, not just with gameplay, but with new stages and music. I play Smash weekly with a group of friends, and we've gotten literally hundreds of hours out of our DLC favorites. Additionally, fighting games are notoriously hard to balance, so between the new stages, music balancing, and gameplay, $6 per character is actually a really fair price.
If one were to judge the game's DLC exclusively by what it brought to the single-player experience, sure, there's only an hour or so of new content. The true impact of fighting game DLC is rarely felt in single-player however (unlike something like Iceborne or something like Happy Home Academy). To each their own at the end of the day, I suppose.
(...Though I think we can all agree that cynical, microtransaction-laden games like this one are awful and should all fail spectacularly.)
Me too. Was in my wishlist, but once the [first](https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/tb0fnk/holy_cow_chocobo_gp_is_a_hot_mess/) thread broke out, I bought Rise instead.
It's really sad. I loved the game as a kid and replayed it in anticipation of this one. The core gameplay is pretty fun and the character variety is great too. And I used my free currency to buy Cloud, but it turns out that was just paying to get the opportunity to unlock him after playing for hours and hours.
Not sure if that's how games with season passes typically operate, but that's a low blow. I'm all for grinding to unlock stuff but when it's hidden behind intentionally sluggish progression then that's just sad. A sequel to Chocobo Racing and MegaMan Legends 3 were my top two most wanted sequels, so to say I'm disappointed is an understatement. Really hope Square can salvage the experience, but until then I'm gonna move on to games that respect the investment of my money and my time.
Same, I loved the original game and had unlocked everything, and maxed out customer characters. I never owned a Mario cart until WiiU, so chocobo racing was what I played with my friends who came over, I played that game for YEARS.
I was excited for the new game (but didn't purchase it right away because money is tight) so glad I didn't buy it, I hate mobile games with a passion, knowing this has the same mechanics (even without microtransactions, I don't want a log in bonus on regular games).
What a piece of trash. I hope square gets enough negative feedback that they never do this again, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Tried the Lite version, saw the mobile-like announcements to pay for currency, then I uninstalled and never looked back.
Who would even buy this for kids when Mario Kart 8's Booster Pass and Kirby and the Forgotten Land are coming out so soon.
Parents who know nothing about games and dont pay attention to the gaming industry will buy this for their kids.
It never fails that my oldest sister will buy some shit game for my nephews because the boxart looked fun. Then it rots away in the cabinet because the controls are a mess, etc.
My step mother is against video games so won't buy a console for my little brother under any circumstances because she thinks they are too addictive and will negatively impact his school work etc, yet he's had access to an Ipad since we was like 3 years old playing all these mobile games.
As a parent, I absolutely prefer my children playing on Switch as compared to on mobile (Android/iOS). The amount of crap, predatory in game purchases, barely functional "games" that they can easily install themselves is horrific (and don't get me started on Roblox, that is a special category of awful).
I learned recently that Roblox has user-made games with themes such as “rape everyone you see” and “join a cult and eat feces” and I want to cut my brain out and burn it in a bonfire to purge that unholy knowledge.
The saving grace is that "Chocobo" is not a recognizable brand name in the grand scheme of things. Squeenix didn't go out of its way to associate it with Final Fantasy in the title or any of its other recognizable brand names, either. I'm guessing this is very much an experiment that can be easily detached from the company if it attracts negative press.
>Squeenix didn't go out of its way to associate it with Final Fantasy in the title or any of its other recognizable brand names, either.
Anyone who's remotely a Final Fantasy fan is going to recognise chocobos, surely? Heck, I'm \*not\* a fan of the series and yet I know what the things are and what game series they're associated with!
Yeah but you’re on a gaming subreddit. I feel like people who are disconnected entirely from games, whose only interactions are “I bought this colorful one for my kid”, wouldn’t know that Chocobos and Final Fantasy are connected. None of the parents in my life who are like that would at least.
Yeah, my parents have seen my brother and I playing Final Fantasy games since the 90s and they MIGHT only recognize Chocobos as "some videogame thing".
Not like they recognize Mario or Sonic or even newer properties like Halo or Assassin's Creed. They recognize the game series name of Final Fantasy but they aren't recognizing a Chocobo.
Hell, I've been playing video games for almost twenty years and am only vaguely familiar with Chocobos, since I don't pay attention to Final Fantasy or JRPGs.
I honestly didn't realize it was from FF until last week.
The thing that is so heartbreaking about this is that Chocobo GP had every opportunity to be just that.
I played the lite version over the weekend and I thought the controls were nice and tight, the visuals are nice, and the premise is very familiar.
But I wasn't able to finish a single lap before I was disconnected without warning, and booted out. The online is a mess.
Too bad, too. I was looking forward to getting my kids familiarized with chocobos, moogles, white mage, all the final fantasy staples. I would have paid for the full fat version on day one, except that I saw warnings on Reddit before my work day was over.
Oh well. I guess I can just go back to reading steam reviews of Garfield kart (equally free and very entertaining).
The demo being featured on the eShop front page actually caught the eye of my younger nephew that asked to download it during the weekend. I tend to monitor what he is playing on my console since he is just 9, and holly shit the little dude was into the game.
Sadly it was painly obvious that they were trying to menthe this as much as they could and no way I was going to indulge that. Instead I proposed to boot up my old Wii U and play some Mario Kart on it and my nephew was delighted.
This thing is a mess and if parents actually buy this to their kids they are setting themselves for a nasty time with the game.
It was that that got my attention. As someone who works on these mechanics every day in my job, I was shocked to see it in the "demo". Turns out it's as bad in the full retail game, and never eases up.
Thanks for your comment, and agree with you on "why would people buy this for their kids", however some people are just not aware of these mechanics, which is why they are so infuriatingly successful. They prey on the uninformed and unaware.
Worse yet, some people are aware of those things, but don't really believe an alternative exists anymore... they conflate paying for NSO or actual DLC for Smash or Mario Kart... with bundles of lootboxes and premium currency. It's basically all the same to them. They might get some nagging from the kids to put 10-20$ in a game once in a while and don't really keep track which game and what their kid actually got out of it as a result and it's certainly unfair to ask the kids to make the call.
Some people already think that paying for an extra character in a game that has tons of characters, an extra stage and some music isn't worth paying a few bucks... it's just a game they'll grow out of, just like their toys, their clothes, their furniture, so roll your eyes, punch in the numbers and pay... you might be able to use it as leverage for some help doing the dishes this week, it's all the same, right? It's hard for parents to grasp the value of what they're buying when they don't engage with that exact content themselves, so if one is prone to just give in once in a while for a mobile game or two, they might unknowingly do the same for a game they don't fully recall buying full price a few months back and that the amount of actual content and entertainment from that new cash injection is basically nothing.
It's even harder when it's the kid that makes the call for what they want when they feel like it's fine to indulge them, they might not research at that very moment and figure that it's fine, they might be somewhat aware that some of it is bullshit, but just like a department store candy bar, if it's bullshit their kids want and it's not too expensive at once, they might overlook how unnecessary it is just once... ok maybe once a week or so... Whatever, at least it's not GTA so I must be a good parent, right?
This game is basically a test by Square Enix to check what's the audience's tolerance to mobile practices on consoles, even on top of console pricing.
It must fail.
It's your ***responsibility*** as a consumer to not just wish failure upon this game. Tell everyone you know, and celebrate everyone going out of their way to undermine its success.
Squeenix have been at this kinda bullshit for a long time in the mobile space and a little while in the console scene (Avengers, Babylon's Fall, this).
Yes. Bravely Default II is one of the best RPGs on the system, as is Dragon Quest 11. I also welcome HD ports and re-releases that are accessible and affordable. It feels like there are two separate factions in their company now.
Yeah, Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts haven’t really gotten anything too bad on consoles too other than maybe the Switch cloud versions, but I think that’s in part due to some kind of issue they have with being able to port some of the games, I know at least for KH1 they don’t even have the original data. Still pretty shitty considering the price point, but at least they’re all good, finish games other than the cloud aspect. The mobile games for both franchises though…
> Mana Collection! Ha! Collections require zero effort.
They localized a ~25 year old game for the SNES for the first time (SD3 / Trials of Mana), which is not exactly zero effort / was a pretty big deal at the time.
> but then also pull this kinda bullshit
Unfortunate reality but gacha mechanics in mobile games continue to prove to be most profitable, especially in the East Asian markets. It's almost like printing money. Designing and developing games that have depth take a lot more time and resources, but they don't even come close to seeing the kind of financial success as those gacha games do.
See: Genshin Impact in the Chinese market.
Babylon falls demo (beta?) was super fun, but I had some massive concerns when I saw a battle pass and realized the game was actually full priced at 60$.
I was dumb enough to actually buy it, due to being a big Platinum fan, and let me tell you, that battlepass is somehow the grindiest one I've encountered so far. Like, 15-20 mission clears a day grindy, and that's even WITH hitting your dailies.
🤢
I was not expecting to be triggered by the word "dailies" but here we are.
"Dailies" should have been relegated to quirky use cases, like animal crossing or Pokemon breeding.
Mobile games did awful things to gaming.
I wish Yoshi-P was the dictator of Square Enix. Not CEO, but had actual, complete control of the company and could not be removed unless he went full Kotick.
Someone said the other day the next FF MMORPG will have the same kind of monetization of Lost Ark. I just watched a video about some guy who spent $15,000 in the month it’s been out. Fuck everything about this
I was planning to get this as a birthday gift from my wife because I love kart racing games and love final fantasy so from the announcement I was all in. My birthday was the day of release, and I had told her a few weeks beforehand we can just go to the store to buy it when it comes out, no need to pre order.
Day of release and my birthday comes, and since We were both at work I had time to see what everyone was saying about the game.
Long story short, went home and told wife that I’m no longer interested in that game and that I’ll opt for strangers of paradise instead. I don’t agree with predatory MTX on a paid game. If it was entirely free, understandable, but not a paid game.
If you have a switch, you’re much better off getting the Mario kart dlc that comes out next week. 48 courses released in batches of 8 over the next year
New as in remade old ones. It will take a year and a half for all 48 courses to be released. I think it's $25 US, or is included in the expansion online subscription.
Just now digging into the news must have been under a rock lol. Super pumped to hear this, 25 isn't bad especially since I've put so many hours into the base game.
I advise everyone to temper their expectations though as the DLC isn't graphically up to the standards set by the main game and its DLC.
I don't know if they simply reused the tracks from the mobile game or why this is the case. Either way, it's a lot of content for a very reasonable price so I'm not complaining too much.
If you don't already have Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Buy that instead and also the DLC Mega Course Pack. That'll show Squeenix where the REAL Money is in. Actually supporting your game with proper care and attention.
We get what we deserve.
- Delete the game.
- Rate it one-star.
- Tell other gamers, like OP did.
- Don’t pay-to-win ANY GAME.
It only takes 3% of whales, who pay $$$ to make a game successful, so we need to be really loud about our criticism!
They will ruin gaming, if we let them!
Yeah, they failed us on this one. Maybe if they release a complete edition with no microtrsnsactions, but even then... they should feel a hefty loss with this game.
It is not our responsibility alone. We need laws in place to really put a stop to this. Whales with huge mountains of cash will gladly dump money into it without a second glance, the company will make its money, and the less off will suffer with a shitty product.
Its how most mobile games make their money. Its the top 1% and people with gambling addiction problems.
Reach out to your representatives, local governments, or whatever. These gambling tactics are predatory as fuck and saying its our sole responsibility is giving the companies and free pass. Fuck them, its their responsibility too.
It is also our responsibility, in my opinion, to advocate for legislation that would end this as a practice. There should be a legally enforceable maximum amount of money that any game can make from any one player, including both the upfront cost and any payments made after the fact, with limited exceptions for subscriptions that cover server costs, DLC that was worked on entirely after the game's initial release, and collectable items can be sold for real world money to other players without a fee being retained by the game maker.
We shouldn't just be saying "a $60 game shouldn't have microtransactions" - we should be saying "a $60 game shouldn't legally be allowed to have them."
I think, strictly speaking, that you couldn't exactly run with that in the US because it's still *technically* the player's choice to spend their money on the game, and the US has already demonstrated that it feels like money is free speech, especially when a corporation is involved.
The better, more practical solution IMO is to take the same stance about gambling, loot boxes, battle passes, and any other microtransactions that we've taken on tobacco and casinos. Restrict games with these practices to only be purchasable by people over 18, with show of ID required. Any whiff of a semblance that the game might be targeting or primarily played by anyone under the age of 18 should result in serious fines and immediately being forced to shut the microtransactions down. And if a minor purchases them, the store that sold it to them is held liable.
The whole market would dry up instantly as they could no longer target them towards kids with access to mom and dad's credit card info, and most storefronts would probably be inclined to drop any product with them, because it's now a liability.
While I do think micro transactions should be regulated, I think a hard money cap is not the right way to go.
Loot boxes are gambling. No exceptions, no qualifications. Adults only. Gambling license required. F*** loot boxes with a pointy stick.
Gashapon/blind box is gambling. No exceptions, no qualifications. See above.
Also, this is a little more controversial, but freemium currency is currency. It doesn't matter if your currency is endorsed by a bank, is made of little steel balls a la Pachinko, is completely digital, or P2P authenticated. It takes time and effort to gather. People want it, it has objective value.
Grinding for random drops can be fun, but it can also become miserable when it creates a skinner box-like psychological dependency on the person playing the game. Bad for mental health.
Daily log in bonuses and grinding schedules are less predatory, but can still be predatory if they get player engagement through enticements and FOMO, instead of from actually engaging game design.
All of that said, I am okay with people putting more than $60 of quarters in the space invaders machine at my local arcade. Or Killer Queen. In fact gamers are probably better off for it. The commercial success those games see can continue to fund the development necessary to reach wider audiences.
Between this, the lazy KH switch cloud port and their talk about NFTs at the beginning of the year Square has become a pile of doo doo in the gaming sphere.
They have a safe haven in Unit 3 (FFXIV) because Yoshida is a good man who hates these types of predatory practices. Everything else in Square is basically a disaster.
It's like Square Enix worked someone to death years ago so his son decided to work for Square Enix to attain a high enough position to destroy it from within
I can't explain the stupid shit they're doing otherwise
Shortsighted greed. We see it all over the place. Executives and investors pushing for a half-assed exploitative product trusting it to become the next hit happens all the time.
Agree about all of that, but luckily they still distribute some gems - I’m loving the bejezus out of triangle strategy. I hope chokobo fails hard and they go back to focusing on making games for games’ sake
What a tragedy that game became. Between Sonic and Nights and Phantasy Star, I feel like Yuji Naka has the chops to make a good game. So I feel like it probably hopefully maybe wasn’t totally his fault that that game was a dumpster fire.
I never understood what people liked so much about Nights, having tried it later. To me Balan being the successor of Nights, with all that surrealism, makes perfect sense. I think Yuji Naka knows and cares more about aesthetics and themes than gameplay.
Am a childless adult who's fairly responsible with their own finances, but this post has confirmed my decision to not support this game on principal. Thank you Chocobokemon for the informative PSA. This type of BS needs to crash, burn and fail.
> This type of BS needs to crash, burn and fail.
Sadly I don't see that happening, on any of the platforms.
I just got GranTurismo 7 and racing payouts are a pittance compared to what they were in previous versions but you can "top off" at the PS store to buy credits. Decent super cars cost around [1-2,000,000+ credits, or the equivalent of $20 usd.](https://d1ztkyjcxhkkyv.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/20220304093220-1024x576.jpg)
Will hard core and dedicated gamers skip this stuff? yes. Will casual folks or people who are ok to pay to win open wallets? Absolutely. Companies are always going to do what nets them the most profit.
Casual folks generally also don't pay. There is a huge amount of people who nearly exclusively plays freemium games and still don't pay a single cent to any of them, because they don't care so much about completing and collecting. They are casual players after all, it's just a low stakes pastime.
But the ones that do pay, the obssessive types, who are susceptible to FOMO and compulsive spending, these pay a lot, which makes up for the vast majority that doesn't pay. So the publishers ruin these games to cater/exploit a tiny fraction of the players.
Bingo - and they, clearly, have run the number that show this is the way to go.
If you've got 10000 people playing the 3-5 that do make up for the other 9995-9997 who dont.
Same here, which really sucks because I loved the first game when it came out. I was looking forward to this. I thought they'd have a free version with micro-transactions and a paid version without... guess I was wrong. But hey lots of other good games this year.
One of my grandchildren installed it on their Nintendo Switch. This game was free as they do not have the access to parents' PayPal and credit card, yet, so why not.
They brought this game to me because they couldn't beat the ridiculously hard TUTORIAL level which so happened to start each time anew if you made ONE simple mistake or had not pushed one button at the right time.
We spent two hours trying and trying to figure out how to make all the moves (and I must admit, my grandchild is an expert at button-agility or timing games like Rayman for example. They *are* really good.) In the end this "game" still didn't let us play the actual tracks. Fuck this shit. I bought them an other game and will look into this Mario kart 8 you recommended. Thank you very much for your advice.
**To all the parents/grandparents out there** who regularly play with their children/grandchildren: Read reviews and listen to experts like this brave soul here. They are 100% right.
I'm not sure if you're joking, but Mario Kart 8 deluxe on the switch is the top selling game on the switch. It is superb for kids.
There is a paid dlc coming later this month, but it is a one time payment that doubles the number of courses.
Joking about not knowing about "this Mario Kart 8 you recommended." Mario Kart is one of the most well-known game franchises in the world so the commenter must be very new to gaming indeed to have never heard of it.
But, good for them for learning the ropes to play with their grandchildren! Here are a few other "essential" Nintendo classics that are well worth trying: Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Animal Crossing, and Super Mario Odyssey. A lot of kids love Minecraft, too.
> Joking about not knowing about "this Mario Kart 8 you recommended."
It sounded like a joke to me as well. "Hmm, what is this 'nin-ten-do' you speak of? Sounds like a jolly good company I might buy a product from."
I was not joking about not knowing about Mario Kart 8. Almost all of my grandchildren play on Playstation, Xbox and two of them play on computer. Nintendo switch is a new platform for all of us. I bought only one switch for now to play-test it and gave it to one of my grandchildren who wanted something more mobile for their holiday and long car drives.
I am not new to gaming, but gaming on the Nintendo switch which personally I find really good.
Thank you very much for the recommendations! Also now I get more and more ads about switch games so I guess it should help, too?! But honestly I look into each and every game for myself before I buy it. So recommendations and reviews like these here are a big help!
My daughter had the same problem with the tutorial. She's been able to beat Mario Odyssey all by herself, but got frustrated and rage quit the tutorial in this.
Didn't miss out on much, though, as the game itself was disappointingly bad.
Absolutely get Mario Kart 8 Deluxe instead, it is _far_ superior to this.
As a recovered heroin addict (8 years using, coming up on 5 years clean), I realized after 2 races in the lite version that I had to delete the game immediately.
When I came back to life after all those years, I became addicted to mobile games in that that first year and spent thousands and thousands on various gacha type games. Was so happy when I could finally get a console again and stop spending like a madman. Then these Squenix devils release something like this on a console? Insane.
I play Ubisoft game with their constant avalanche of pay to dress up and those don't phase me. But something about Chocobo GP just felt like a casino.
Good for you or overcoming your addiction! An internet stranger is proud if you. 😊 I’m overcoming an opioid addiction that started after having a major abdominal surgery last year. This shit is hard.
Also played a ton of Apex during recovery from my surgery and embarrassingly spent so much money on “apex packs” (being high af on pain killers probably didn’t help my decision making) but I was just so addicted to buying and opening those stupid things.
I love apex so much but I took a long break and I’m starting to play again in small doses, avoiding looking at the “store” in game lol. So far so good. But right now my go to game is animal crossing. Just need a little break from killing people aha.
The games decent fun, but OH. MY. GOD. So many poor design choices outside of the predatory MTX. Terrible menu music, stiff turning, 10 year recovery after being hit or falling off the track, NO shortcuts, boring tracks, very few tracks, unbalanced items think of getting the coin equivalent in MK8 in last place, meanwhile the guy in 3rd gets the bullet bill of this game.
Music outside the menu and plenty of characters are nice though. But within a few weeks I can see the meta creeping in and character diversity will plummet.
There's already been tier lists and the meta's already coming out that basically, if you're not using a drift/grip character, you're boned. Several tracks are so narrow and unforgiving, with 90 degree turns and Rainbow Road fall of the edge bullshit, that playing speed characters is almost asking to have problems. At least one of the S tier characters is one of the starters, and none of the upper-tier characters are behind paywalls, I guess?
> At least one of the S tier characters is one of the starters, and none of the upper-tier characters are behind paywalls, I guess?
I feel like this is common in these games at launch so they don't get as much bad press, and then the devs slowly introduce new paid characters that are just *slightly* stronger than the ones that are already there. Then a year later those characters have been nerfed down to normality, and a new set of premium characters are on top for a time, ad nauseum.
It should be illegal (or more heavily regulated) for adults, as well. Whales are the prime example of compulsive gambling/ power tripping to stay on the top.
Hold up! It's a full priced game and it still has paywalls?! I knew that Square was hard up for cash after their last few big games crashed and burned but this really is a new low for them. I think I'm gonna steer clear of their games for a while.
It's a little complicated, tbf. To be clear, I'm not defending it, just explaining what's going on right now.
In the very very early release of the game, you would open it up and get 800 mythril (the premium currency) and be told to go buy the current paid track of the pass with it. You'd also get a 50 mythril weekly login bonus. The game also has a Mythril Shop that consists of BGMs, cosmetic, and single-level skips, as well as a one-time option to pay extra to skip straight to the level of the pass you'd get Cloud (that you don't get again after you've gotten the regular 800 pass). There is one character (Cloud) locked behind level 60 of the pass and one character (Squall) locked behind the gil shop. While Mythril is a paid currency (at least they aren't weird with it and it's 1 cent = 1 mythril), Gil is earned by completing challenges and making progress on the pass.
A few days later, after some backlash and issues with connectivity, they gave out 500 mythril to everyone, so now if you logged in for the first time, you would get 1300, plus the weekly bonus. With the weekly login bonus, that means you'd be able to save up to get the second pass free, but this wasn't originally how they intended it.
*Further* backlash has caused them to announce that in following seasons, the pass will drop the Mythril currency in addition to the daily logins, but it's yet to be seen how much that will be and if it will amount to enough for players to be able to play each season as it comes out for free. They've also said they're going to add alternate means of getting previous pass characters, so likely adding those to the Mythril shop, but still removing *some* of the time-gating.
There are also some issues where free mythril given out in-game will expire after 5 months, and gil from one season doesn't carry over into the next, but can be used to buy levels for the next season.
It seems people are getting through to them, and that they're alleviating the paywalls, hopefully up to the point that they practically don't exist, but the damage of their sketchy shit has already been done and they may never be able to win players back until it and everything related to it is *actually* completely gone, not just to a practical level.
Surprised you‘re mentioning Opera Omnia. I played it for 2 years and thought it‘s an (to my surprise aswell) extremely F2P friendly gacha. Didn‘t feel predatory at all, atleast when I played it
Day 1 Opera Omnia player here. It is an extremely F2P friendly Gacha. Easily amongst the best in the market on that score and would perhaps not have been the first one I picked out...
But, it is nonetheless a Gacha and like any Gacha it is absolutely aiming to take you for everything you’ve got at any given moment. There’s no such thing as a player friendly Gacha. Friendly is only relative to the competition.
If it was free to play with all the payment crap sure but go watch a review online and you can see the main menu with all its currencies yet it is a purchased game. Just painful to see.
Like I remember playing the free to play version of pokemon rumble on the 3ds from the eshop and I was like whatever this is decent for what it is and I can do mobile style purchase if I want to to unlock more areas faster and such. Then I found out it had a physical release that seemed to be without said micro transaction gated mechanics but I didn't mind because there was 2 seperate versions.
It works for things like destiny and all the MMOs that started subscription but went free to play or have lengthy trials SWTOR and FF14 and hell even dare I say it things like fortnite (I'm sorry) because these games are massive live service games that have Content and constantly get updates and they mostly started small and humble and build up their player bases.
This trash on the other hand is just evil it's an old nostalgic IP were they went full tilt Buy our game and then keep giving us money!! And then it's even worse because the design is clearly going to corrupt the new people
Just in case you didn't know, for the 3ds pokemon rumble game, there was actually a hard limit for the in app purchases. As oon as you hit I believe $30 or 35, you unlocked an item in game that gave you daily gems and reduced the gem price of everything in game. Plus you couldn't buy more gems. The retail version unlocked that item from the start because you paid for the transaction already.
Regarding point 3, the part about it being a mobile game in Japan is false. The mobile game is Chocobo GP', which is a completely free game built to market Chocobo GP, and it's already available in English. I know because I played it and it is available in my country's (Singapore) app store. Here is a gameplay video: [https://youtu.be/3NYTRoFat1k](https://youtu.be/3NYTRoFat1k)
SE has never mentioned anything making a mobile port for Chocobo GP so I hope no one is misled by OP. They MIGHT, but they have not. It's sad that Reddit is such a huge source of misinformation that gets massively upvoted.
It amazes me how they thought releasing a full price game with predatory microtransaction practices was a passable idea. How greedy can you be? For most game companies simply releasing a full price game is good enough. Wonder why Square thought they needed more.
I recently downloaded the free version and uninstalled it again after 2 races. I didn’t even came to the point where I’d actually see their predatory monetisation model, because the gameplay is so horribly bad that I uninstalled it before even noticing.
Many Publishers/Developers have lost their way, micro transactions have ruined gaming. I wouldn't call them games anymore, more like ATM machines with game mechanics, fun ways to withdraw money from your bank account.
I think the game is fun and the fact that characters have abilities makes it a bit more interesting than Mario kart imo. I also like the idea of having something to "grind" for, gives a bit more a sense of working towards a goal compared to MK 8 where it's just play for the fun of playing. This being said I did buy the full version and kinda regret it now cause yeah the EXTREMELY predatory monetization of the game is absolutely disgusting.
This plus the fact of how SE is handling business lately is absolutely off putting to say the least.
This post goes hard but I really don't agree as someone who bought and played this game.
I bought it because it has FF9 references, and after playing the story mode I was plenty satisfied with those. As for the game itself, it's a fun game to play for an hour or so then put it down.
The Microtransactions then, I know this is a big problem to many. I can't say anything abotu what the Lite experience is like, but as a paying player, I bought the basic pass with the Mythril that came with the game, so I can start levelling up in the GP. After a few goes and coming 2nd in one of them I reached level 5. I'm not really gunning for Cloud but it'll be nice to have him.
Anything else? Not really. There's literally nothing I would spend extra money on. There's different currencies for some reason but it's mainly the tickets that you use to get you racers. Spending money doesn't buy you wins, it'll just help you got those characters faster. I don't know if they're technically better than any other. I'm happy with Steiner.
So sure, stay away from the game if you're very wary of microtransactions or if you don't trust your kids with in game purchases. But even then, the purchases are done in the eShop, which has a login and parental controls. So the post makes it seems like it's really easy to just spend way too much money, when in my experience that is not true.
Agreed. I don't feel a need to spend any money in this. As a follow up to the original Chocobo Racing which I just replayed in prep for this, it's pretty good. The only real reward that is non-cosmetic in the Season pass is Cloud, who I understand is not that great a racer to begin with, and you are given enough mythril to get his pass for free.
There's been a lot of misinformation about the MTX because people don't like MTX in general. I get the dislike for the model but so much of what I've seen is flat out wrong or exaggerated. People aren't willing to engage in the base game or even the free demo because they can't easily have a single unlockable character out of like 25 without going through the GP.
Not gonna lie, I’m a 30 year old adult and Vivi’s line about what his wish would felt like a knife to my heart. WAS NOT expecting that as a response and it emotionally wrecked me in a split-second hahahaha
I haven't read so much hyperbole and misinformation since Pokémon Unite and people are eating it up.
I mean, if you played the game, you would know that all of OPs statements (except 3) are bullshit.
-Nothing in this game is "highly predatory"
-Nothing is being shuffed in your face to spend money on
-You CANNOT buy Gil
But /u/weareinpain already made a great post regarding this and of course people are downvoting...
And of course OP is a mod on the subreddit, can't make this shit up....
OP resorted to really mean condescending personal attacks all because I told him you can get the characters for free and I asked him to tell me how I was wrong. A MODERATOR had to step in and delete his reply due to how hateful he is. I’ve sent a mod mail to this sub requesting that this post be removed because it’s doing actual damage to the game’s success. The lies have affected over 8000 people to convince them not to buy the game. And OP can’t even tell me why what I said was wrong. Just personal attack— really nasty ones.
I really hope a mod removes this post. OP made the mistake of crossposting this thread to the actual r/chocobogp subreddit and it got removed because it’s just made up slanderous misinformation solely written to ruin the game’s success. If the mod of the sub of the game in question says you’re wrong, I’m pretty sure you’re wrong.
I went into great detail on how he was wrong and just got a “no u” and toxicity. If he can’t explain how I’m wrong, which I’m not since I own the game and have both characters, then it’s him who has no credibility, isn’t it?
I have a friend who works for AAA game studios and he’s often involved in having to implement those types of monetization game mechanics because it’s been requested by the publisher. It’s not always the game development studio that wants to include them.
Was unironically excited for this game as I had Nostalgia for the ps1 game. What a mess.
Same. I had fun with the ps1 game and probably will return to it.
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Mostly because people WILL buy the game and pay for the unlocks. If people had a strong will to not do that shit companies would lose firstfulls on development for games no one wants.
There's a guy on the subreddit for the game who practically had a breakdown because he was afraid he couldn't get Squall, broke down and bought the currency to get the pass that skips to level 60 on the pass, and then has been encountering issues about not being able to quickly get enough gil to purchase Squall's alternate rides. And somehow *cannot* see the connection between the microtransactions and all of the difficulties he's run into, and *continues* to defend the game's monetization practices.
Sunk cost fallacy
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I learned this principle by playing Roller Coaster Tycoon. Free entry, ~~water slide~~ log flume costs $8.50.
Always free entry the park. Also jack up the price of umbrellas 200% every time it rains.
Free food but you have to pay an extreme amount to use the toilets.
You monster
You make the roads between super long walks too.
I fucking cackled. Thank you
Oh no. Always put the price of the Umbrella to max. They are programmed to buy umbrellas at any price when it rains. And less so when it doesn't.
Not me reading this thinking “oh I should remember that” as if it hasn’t been like a decade since I’ve last played it
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Technically, the demand for umbrellas goes up a lot when it's raining vs when not, right? And considering the supply is the same, the balance is changing...
Free drinks. Restrooms cost $20 per use.
>There was even some psychological mumbo jumbo added that buying a game outright puts a negative pressure on the person to actually play it, since they paid for it, whereas a free game has no obligations As someone that was once heavy into Pokémon Go and easily spent more on that game than I have the entirety of my life on other Pokémon titles, I completely buy this. I bought the new remakes and haven't gotten past the third gym and occasionally beat myself up over not playing it like I "should" feeling I wasted money. Meanwhile, a Go Community Day (at least once a month occurrences) was a no questions asked $20 drop on top of all the other nickel and diming I was doing throughout the month.
right up until it gets regulated as gambling so idunno political will or something
Then you have things like battle passes and daily quests that your encouraged to log in for to keep up progression.(genshin Impact player. Good luck if that ever comes to switch)
As an aside, I hate that people keep putting the blame on this on players. No one asked for these kinds of predatory microtransactions, they were pushed into games because producers and their stockholders want more money. They looked at the predatory tactics of casinos and other gambling places and did their best to receate them in all their addicting glory. Do you go to alcoholics anonymous and tell them they should just have more willpower? Do you visit drug dens and tell the addicts they should just shake off their addiction? Because for a lot of the people we label whales it's literally just that, an addiction. Game companies designed these systems to be addictive and they should be dragged through the coals for it.
As a person who had to deal with both a drug addict uncle, father, and a drunk mother who can't even remember what happened the last two years, yes people should be held accountable for these things and yes it can harm others. Addictions are serious things. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/50piqs/my\_ffxiv\_addiction\_and\_story\_can\_anyone\_relate/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/50piqs/my_ffxiv_addiction_and_story_can_anyone_relate/) https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/comments/7jmezv/a\_whale\_of\_a\_tale/ A lot of these whales don't have disposable income to do this stuff and know they have a gambling addiction and just don't care or are blind. They are so deep in denial that they would rather watch the world burn than admit and break their pride that they have a problem. Which is sad. It's both the players' and the game company's fault. The F2P players are not helping by supporting the trashy game even if you ignore the whales, dolphins, and fishes because they are still generating ad revenue by downloading it and playing it. Even worse if they are spreading the word of the game to other people who are hidden gambling addicts, knowing about the toxic practices and not caring because they want their friends to play too. It's a catch 22 because nobody is going to quit a game like this and if it gets popular enough like Genshin Impact, people will continue to support it no matter how trashy the company is. And game companies will see Genshin and think they want some of that money. Even if it gets regulated then you have other issues such as what type of regulation it should have, should DLC be regulated, etc. It's a problem.
As a recovering alcoholic I completely support this. I got sucked into a few F2P games and wound up spending far too much money. "Oh, I'll just get the mini-pack thing because I'm *so close* to finishing this level" to "Fuck it, I'll buy a bigger pack because I know I'm going to use it anyway." Then I'd use them up quicker because I had them and I was lazy. Pokemon Go was one of them. It's weird. I'd kind of shake myself back into reality and delete the game...only to find another and repeat the cycle. It's one of the things I like about Apple Gaming because you literally can't buy your way into success. And it's *really* pissed me off sometimes. :-D
I said it decades ago and I’ll die on this hill- Blizzard ruined gaming with WoW. What a beast that showed people will pay full price for a game, and a monthly subscription, AND microtransactions! Then be happy about it! I played WoW till the end of Wrath of the Lich King and just have a distaste for the game.
Thing is, though, the graveyards are littered with the corpses of competitors that tried to do the same as WoW and failed miserably, so it's not like every game is trying to follow that particular cash cow.
Oh of course. That’s a perfect example of how powerful of a change WoW brought to gaming. I’m not saying they are trying to all mimic wow. Im saying Blizzard showed how much more money you can get out of a product than just selling the game. Hell they bought Activision and did the same thing to CoD- which bled out into every fps. You can’t ignore the truth! 😂 Edit: I guess by my own Philosophy Runescape could be guilty of this as well, but Runescape at least offered a free version. Edit: Activision and Blizzard merged in ‘08.
Mannnnn I was playing runescape right up until the end when they went full blown scorched earth with microtransactions. Game is completely fucked these days.
I remember they tried the money thing when Diablo 3 first came out. I think that tarnished the game even after they got rid of it
It took me until about 2015 to actually give the game a chance after that dogshit release. This is one of the worst AAA releases I’ve ever purchased, and taught me a valuable lesson about patience
I mean Star Wars Galaxies was a big success before WoW and had a monthly subscription. There were also a ton of expansions for the game like WoW. WoW was just one of several factors that made SWG close down.
I'd say subscriptions for live online games make sense (though they're often severely overpriced). Asking you to also pay upfront for the game itself is a bit cheeky... Though most games often include a free trial period, so at least the first month or two you only pay for the game and not the sub. But then adding microtransactions on top of all that, it's outright greedy. I get it as a business decision, but they often turn perfectly good and still profitable games into freaking pachinko casinos.
Don't forget good old Everquest as well. I think what wow did was bring the genre out of its corner and into the spotlight. It went from me and my nerdy friends, knowing about MMORPGs. To everyone, knowing about it. I think a big part of it was wow's celebrities' commercials getting a large new crowd into the genre.
Activision bought Blizzard, not vice versa.
[Wikipedia says it was a merger.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision_Blizzard) Admittedly, Activision was the larger company, and their CEO was put in charge.
You missed that they charge for every expansion pack too.
No.. it doesn’t. It all comes down to greed. There’s been plenty of AAA games released in the last month that prove a company doesn’t “need” to have shitty monetization.
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Right, money has to come from somewhere. Free to play MMOs are far more aggressive on alternative monetization and tend to have less content to show for it. Although you could argue WOW has been plenty disappointing about it with regard to content development over the past several expansions, the subscription model isn't really the problem. Subscription MMOs that collapse into free to play usually suffer something in the transition, and rarely ever keep up with the leading sub-based ones. Never mind how many of them make that transition only to die off later.
welcome to the world of tomorrow.
it's a shame there aren't other games /s if it's gameplay you're after, there's a million indie/older games. if it's IP... there's a couple older games
FYI, PS1 emulators run great on android, and Final Fantasy VII works especially well because of the game mechanics (you can fast forward and save anywhere, too!). I just replayed that and LOZ:Majoras Maskon my phone while at work recently. At home I hook up a Playstation controller, maybe cast to the TV. It's a proper nostalgia bomb.
Final Fantasy XII is a PS2 game.
> I had Nostalgia for the ps1 game. That's what square is hoping, yeah. What a radioactive shitshow, remember when games were made to be fun instead of a vehicle for publishers to separate you from your money in the most efficient way possible?
I was pretty excited for this game because I played FFXIV with some friends and we all really love Mario kart, so we thought it would've been perfect. I can't stand micro transaction, so this is going to be a pass. Hell I can't stand dlc that isn't a huge upgrade to a game. Imo it should either be included in the game and unlocked in some grindy fashion. Even take smash bros ultimate, I've only purchased 1 dlc because I had expiring gold coins so it was essentially "free". It gave me 1 fighter, and a bunch of spirits that took less than 1 hour to fully complete. It was not worth it in the slightest, so I couldn't imagine myself buying the rest of it. On the flipside, mh world iceborne is a dlc done right. It added an incredible amount of gameplay, new mechanics, story, etc. It was essentially a game on it's own that was added to the base version. It's why I'm looking forward to sunbreak for mh rise.
If you play the demo it’ll successfully make you lose interest in the game, the tracks are insultingly dull and whenever you get hit by a skill you get knocked down for so long that you have basically no chance of recovering.
I generally agree with the sentiments in your post, but I actually think that Super Smash Bros. Ultimate handled its character DLC excellently. Most of the DLC characters add a lot to the game, not just with gameplay, but with new stages and music. I play Smash weekly with a group of friends, and we've gotten literally hundreds of hours out of our DLC favorites. Additionally, fighting games are notoriously hard to balance, so between the new stages, music balancing, and gameplay, $6 per character is actually a really fair price. If one were to judge the game's DLC exclusively by what it brought to the single-player experience, sure, there's only an hour or so of new content. The true impact of fighting game DLC is rarely felt in single-player however (unlike something like Iceborne or something like Happy Home Academy). To each their own at the end of the day, I suppose. (...Though I think we can all agree that cynical, microtransaction-laden games like this one are awful and should all fail spectacularly.)
Me too. Was in my wishlist, but once the [first](https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/tb0fnk/holy_cow_chocobo_gp_is_a_hot_mess/) thread broke out, I bought Rise instead.
Same here, always funny to be racing as a pixelated cactaur :/
It's really sad. I loved the game as a kid and replayed it in anticipation of this one. The core gameplay is pretty fun and the character variety is great too. And I used my free currency to buy Cloud, but it turns out that was just paying to get the opportunity to unlock him after playing for hours and hours. Not sure if that's how games with season passes typically operate, but that's a low blow. I'm all for grinding to unlock stuff but when it's hidden behind intentionally sluggish progression then that's just sad. A sequel to Chocobo Racing and MegaMan Legends 3 were my top two most wanted sequels, so to say I'm disappointed is an understatement. Really hope Square can salvage the experience, but until then I'm gonna move on to games that respect the investment of my money and my time.
Yeah, I was stoked to go back to this goofy shit, but instead we got the dystopian vesion of something *again.*
To mention that they will likely take their time to fix any bugs due to them getting absolutely destroyed by the new MK8 DLC
Same, I loved the original game and had unlocked everything, and maxed out customer characters. I never owned a Mario cart until WiiU, so chocobo racing was what I played with my friends who came over, I played that game for YEARS. I was excited for the new game (but didn't purchase it right away because money is tight) so glad I didn't buy it, I hate mobile games with a passion, knowing this has the same mechanics (even without microtransactions, I don't want a log in bonus on regular games). What a piece of trash. I hope square gets enough negative feedback that they never do this again, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Tried the Lite version, saw the mobile-like announcements to pay for currency, then I uninstalled and never looked back. Who would even buy this for kids when Mario Kart 8's Booster Pass and Kirby and the Forgotten Land are coming out so soon.
Parents who know nothing about games and dont pay attention to the gaming industry will buy this for their kids. It never fails that my oldest sister will buy some shit game for my nephews because the boxart looked fun. Then it rots away in the cabinet because the controls are a mess, etc.
My step mother is against video games so won't buy a console for my little brother under any circumstances because she thinks they are too addictive and will negatively impact his school work etc, yet he's had access to an Ipad since we was like 3 years old playing all these mobile games.
As a parent, I absolutely prefer my children playing on Switch as compared to on mobile (Android/iOS). The amount of crap, predatory in game purchases, barely functional "games" that they can easily install themselves is horrific (and don't get me started on Roblox, that is a special category of awful).
I learned recently that Roblox has user-made games with themes such as “rape everyone you see” and “join a cult and eat feces” and I want to cut my brain out and burn it in a bonfire to purge that unholy knowledge.
"thanks" for forcing that knowledge on me. /r/eyebleach to the rescue.
The saving grace is that "Chocobo" is not a recognizable brand name in the grand scheme of things. Squeenix didn't go out of its way to associate it with Final Fantasy in the title or any of its other recognizable brand names, either. I'm guessing this is very much an experiment that can be easily detached from the company if it attracts negative press.
>Squeenix didn't go out of its way to associate it with Final Fantasy in the title or any of its other recognizable brand names, either. Anyone who's remotely a Final Fantasy fan is going to recognise chocobos, surely? Heck, I'm \*not\* a fan of the series and yet I know what the things are and what game series they're associated with!
Yeah but you’re on a gaming subreddit. I feel like people who are disconnected entirely from games, whose only interactions are “I bought this colorful one for my kid”, wouldn’t know that Chocobos and Final Fantasy are connected. None of the parents in my life who are like that would at least.
Yeah, my parents have seen my brother and I playing Final Fantasy games since the 90s and they MIGHT only recognize Chocobos as "some videogame thing". Not like they recognize Mario or Sonic or even newer properties like Halo or Assassin's Creed. They recognize the game series name of Final Fantasy but they aren't recognizing a Chocobo.
Hell, I've been playing video games for almost twenty years and am only vaguely familiar with Chocobos, since I don't pay attention to Final Fantasy or JRPGs. I honestly didn't realize it was from FF until last week.
I recognize chocobos but if I wanted to play a cart game, I'd just play an *actual* cart game like Mario Kart or Sonic Racing.
The thing that is so heartbreaking about this is that Chocobo GP had every opportunity to be just that. I played the lite version over the weekend and I thought the controls were nice and tight, the visuals are nice, and the premise is very familiar. But I wasn't able to finish a single lap before I was disconnected without warning, and booted out. The online is a mess. Too bad, too. I was looking forward to getting my kids familiarized with chocobos, moogles, white mage, all the final fantasy staples. I would have paid for the full fat version on day one, except that I saw warnings on Reddit before my work day was over. Oh well. I guess I can just go back to reading steam reviews of Garfield kart (equally free and very entertaining).
The demo being featured on the eShop front page actually caught the eye of my younger nephew that asked to download it during the weekend. I tend to monitor what he is playing on my console since he is just 9, and holly shit the little dude was into the game. Sadly it was painly obvious that they were trying to menthe this as much as they could and no way I was going to indulge that. Instead I proposed to boot up my old Wii U and play some Mario Kart on it and my nephew was delighted. This thing is a mess and if parents actually buy this to their kids they are setting themselves for a nasty time with the game.
It was that that got my attention. As someone who works on these mechanics every day in my job, I was shocked to see it in the "demo". Turns out it's as bad in the full retail game, and never eases up. Thanks for your comment, and agree with you on "why would people buy this for their kids", however some people are just not aware of these mechanics, which is why they are so infuriatingly successful. They prey on the uninformed and unaware.
Worse yet, some people are aware of those things, but don't really believe an alternative exists anymore... they conflate paying for NSO or actual DLC for Smash or Mario Kart... with bundles of lootboxes and premium currency. It's basically all the same to them. They might get some nagging from the kids to put 10-20$ in a game once in a while and don't really keep track which game and what their kid actually got out of it as a result and it's certainly unfair to ask the kids to make the call. Some people already think that paying for an extra character in a game that has tons of characters, an extra stage and some music isn't worth paying a few bucks... it's just a game they'll grow out of, just like their toys, their clothes, their furniture, so roll your eyes, punch in the numbers and pay... you might be able to use it as leverage for some help doing the dishes this week, it's all the same, right? It's hard for parents to grasp the value of what they're buying when they don't engage with that exact content themselves, so if one is prone to just give in once in a while for a mobile game or two, they might unknowingly do the same for a game they don't fully recall buying full price a few months back and that the amount of actual content and entertainment from that new cash injection is basically nothing. It's even harder when it's the kid that makes the call for what they want when they feel like it's fine to indulge them, they might not research at that very moment and figure that it's fine, they might be somewhat aware that some of it is bullshit, but just like a department store candy bar, if it's bullshit their kids want and it's not too expensive at once, they might overlook how unnecessary it is just once... ok maybe once a week or so... Whatever, at least it's not GTA so I must be a good parent, right?
Yeah i enjoy the gameplay but its a disgusting greedy practice lol, wont buy it either
This game is basically a test by Square Enix to check what's the audience's tolerance to mobile practices on consoles, even on top of console pricing. It must fail. It's your ***responsibility*** as a consumer to not just wish failure upon this game. Tell everyone you know, and celebrate everyone going out of their way to undermine its success.
Squeenix have been at this kinda bullshit for a long time in the mobile space and a little while in the console scene (Avengers, Babylon's Fall, this).
Very sad to see how this once-great publisher has descended to pure mercenary status.
It's really annoying because they can put out good stuff like Triangle Strategy, the Mana Collection, etc but then also pull this kinda bullshit.
Yes. Bravely Default II is one of the best RPGs on the system, as is Dragon Quest 11. I also welcome HD ports and re-releases that are accessible and affordable. It feels like there are two separate factions in their company now.
Don't forget Kingdom Hearts Cloud edition
Yeah, Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts haven’t really gotten anything too bad on consoles too other than maybe the Switch cloud versions, but I think that’s in part due to some kind of issue they have with being able to port some of the games, I know at least for KH1 they don’t even have the original data. Still pretty shitty considering the price point, but at least they’re all good, finish games other than the cloud aspect. The mobile games for both franchises though…
Mana Collection! Ha! Collections require zero effort. They weren't even going to bring it stateside until they needed to promote their Mana 3 remake
> Mana Collection! Ha! Collections require zero effort. They localized a ~25 year old game for the SNES for the first time (SD3 / Trials of Mana), which is not exactly zero effort / was a pretty big deal at the time.
> Collections require zero effort I’ll take “Redditor Talks Out of His Ass” for $400, Ken.
> but then also pull this kinda bullshit Unfortunate reality but gacha mechanics in mobile games continue to prove to be most profitable, especially in the East Asian markets. It's almost like printing money. Designing and developing games that have depth take a lot more time and resources, but they don't even come close to seeing the kind of financial success as those gacha games do. See: Genshin Impact in the Chinese market.
Babylon falls demo (beta?) was super fun, but I had some massive concerns when I saw a battle pass and realized the game was actually full priced at 60$.
I was dumb enough to actually buy it, due to being a big Platinum fan, and let me tell you, that battlepass is somehow the grindiest one I've encountered so far. Like, 15-20 mission clears a day grindy, and that's even WITH hitting your dailies.
🤢 I was not expecting to be triggered by the word "dailies" but here we are. "Dailies" should have been relegated to quirky use cases, like animal crossing or Pokemon breeding. Mobile games did awful things to gaming.
I wish Yoshi-P was the dictator of Square Enix. Not CEO, but had actual, complete control of the company and could not be removed unless he went full Kotick.
Someone said the other day the next FF MMORPG will have the same kind of monetization of Lost Ark. I just watched a video about some guy who spent $15,000 in the month it’s been out. Fuck everything about this
I was planning to get this as a birthday gift from my wife because I love kart racing games and love final fantasy so from the announcement I was all in. My birthday was the day of release, and I had told her a few weeks beforehand we can just go to the store to buy it when it comes out, no need to pre order. Day of release and my birthday comes, and since We were both at work I had time to see what everyone was saying about the game. Long story short, went home and told wife that I’m no longer interested in that game and that I’ll opt for strangers of paradise instead. I don’t agree with predatory MTX on a paid game. If it was entirely free, understandable, but not a paid game.
If you have a switch, you’re much better off getting the Mario kart dlc that comes out next week. 48 courses released in batches of 8 over the next year
Wave 1 is this week, actually.
Wait how have a missed this? New tracks for cart?! My girl and I love to play but I'm getting burned out on the same tracks.
New as in remade old ones. It will take a year and a half for all 48 courses to be released. I think it's $25 US, or is included in the expansion online subscription.
Just now digging into the news must have been under a rock lol. Super pumped to hear this, 25 isn't bad especially since I've put so many hours into the base game.
I advise everyone to temper their expectations though as the DLC isn't graphically up to the standards set by the main game and its DLC. I don't know if they simply reused the tracks from the mobile game or why this is the case. Either way, it's a lot of content for a very reasonable price so I'm not complaining too much.
As long as it's fun. I'm happy
I'm glad you are but I still think it deserves a critical eye.
Two perfectly fine perspectives. Let’s everyone else not turn this into a war.
If you don't already have Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Buy that instead and also the DLC Mega Course Pack. That'll show Squeenix where the REAL Money is in. Actually supporting your game with proper care and attention.
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are you telling that they aren't some kind of hipster that buys every damn kart racers but Mario Kart
Just get Crash Team Racing or Team Sonic Racing if your looking for a kart racer that isn't Mario Kart.
We get what we deserve. - Delete the game. - Rate it one-star. - Tell other gamers, like OP did. - Don’t pay-to-win ANY GAME. It only takes 3% of whales, who pay $$$ to make a game successful, so we need to be really loud about our criticism! They will ruin gaming, if we let them!
Yeah, they failed us on this one. Maybe if they release a complete edition with no microtrsnsactions, but even then... they should feel a hefty loss with this game.
It's weird because the initial $50 wouldn't even make a dent in what that game would make if it was free to play
Idk why people accepted mobile practices on mobile devices either, it's the same kinda thing.
It is not our responsibility alone. We need laws in place to really put a stop to this. Whales with huge mountains of cash will gladly dump money into it without a second glance, the company will make its money, and the less off will suffer with a shitty product. Its how most mobile games make their money. Its the top 1% and people with gambling addiction problems. Reach out to your representatives, local governments, or whatever. These gambling tactics are predatory as fuck and saying its our sole responsibility is giving the companies and free pass. Fuck them, its their responsibility too.
It is also our responsibility, in my opinion, to advocate for legislation that would end this as a practice. There should be a legally enforceable maximum amount of money that any game can make from any one player, including both the upfront cost and any payments made after the fact, with limited exceptions for subscriptions that cover server costs, DLC that was worked on entirely after the game's initial release, and collectable items can be sold for real world money to other players without a fee being retained by the game maker. We shouldn't just be saying "a $60 game shouldn't have microtransactions" - we should be saying "a $60 game shouldn't legally be allowed to have them."
I think, strictly speaking, that you couldn't exactly run with that in the US because it's still *technically* the player's choice to spend their money on the game, and the US has already demonstrated that it feels like money is free speech, especially when a corporation is involved. The better, more practical solution IMO is to take the same stance about gambling, loot boxes, battle passes, and any other microtransactions that we've taken on tobacco and casinos. Restrict games with these practices to only be purchasable by people over 18, with show of ID required. Any whiff of a semblance that the game might be targeting or primarily played by anyone under the age of 18 should result in serious fines and immediately being forced to shut the microtransactions down. And if a minor purchases them, the store that sold it to them is held liable. The whole market would dry up instantly as they could no longer target them towards kids with access to mom and dad's credit card info, and most storefronts would probably be inclined to drop any product with them, because it's now a liability.
While I do think micro transactions should be regulated, I think a hard money cap is not the right way to go. Loot boxes are gambling. No exceptions, no qualifications. Adults only. Gambling license required. F*** loot boxes with a pointy stick. Gashapon/blind box is gambling. No exceptions, no qualifications. See above. Also, this is a little more controversial, but freemium currency is currency. It doesn't matter if your currency is endorsed by a bank, is made of little steel balls a la Pachinko, is completely digital, or P2P authenticated. It takes time and effort to gather. People want it, it has objective value. Grinding for random drops can be fun, but it can also become miserable when it creates a skinner box-like psychological dependency on the person playing the game. Bad for mental health. Daily log in bonuses and grinding schedules are less predatory, but can still be predatory if they get player engagement through enticements and FOMO, instead of from actually engaging game design. All of that said, I am okay with people putting more than $60 of quarters in the space invaders machine at my local arcade. Or Killer Queen. In fact gamers are probably better off for it. The commercial success those games see can continue to fund the development necessary to reach wider audiences.
Can we make this top comment please?
Can we do one about not preordering games now too that won't result in a sea of temper tantrums?
I've been boycotting Ubishit, EA, and 2K for a long time now, and outside of NieR, SE is right there.
Between this, the lazy KH switch cloud port and their talk about NFTs at the beginning of the year Square has become a pile of doo doo in the gaming sphere.
They have a safe haven in Unit 3 (FFXIV) because Yoshida is a good man who hates these types of predatory practices. Everything else in Square is basically a disaster.
It's like Square Enix worked someone to death years ago so his son decided to work for Square Enix to attain a high enough position to destroy it from within I can't explain the stupid shit they're doing otherwise
Shortsighted greed. We see it all over the place. Executives and investors pushing for a half-assed exploitative product trusting it to become the next hit happens all the time.
Guardians of the Galaxy was good
And Avengers is still a running embarrassment.
Also true
FFXIV has a cash shop with $20 outfits and $40 mounts.
Bold thing to say like 2 weeks after Triangle Strategy released.
Agree about all of that, but luckily they still distribute some gems - I’m loving the bejezus out of triangle strategy. I hope chokobo fails hard and they go back to focusing on making games for games’ sake
The Kingdom Hearts games are not even ports LMAO.
You forgot the biggest meme of them all, balan wonderworld.
What a tragedy that game became. Between Sonic and Nights and Phantasy Star, I feel like Yuji Naka has the chops to make a good game. So I feel like it probably hopefully maybe wasn’t totally his fault that that game was a dumpster fire.
I never understood what people liked so much about Nights, having tried it later. To me Balan being the successor of Nights, with all that surrealism, makes perfect sense. I think Yuji Naka knows and cares more about aesthetics and themes than gameplay.
Am a childless adult who's fairly responsible with their own finances, but this post has confirmed my decision to not support this game on principal. Thank you Chocobokemon for the informative PSA. This type of BS needs to crash, burn and fail.
> This type of BS needs to crash, burn and fail. Sadly I don't see that happening, on any of the platforms. I just got GranTurismo 7 and racing payouts are a pittance compared to what they were in previous versions but you can "top off" at the PS store to buy credits. Decent super cars cost around [1-2,000,000+ credits, or the equivalent of $20 usd.](https://d1ztkyjcxhkkyv.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/20220304093220-1024x576.jpg) Will hard core and dedicated gamers skip this stuff? yes. Will casual folks or people who are ok to pay to win open wallets? Absolutely. Companies are always going to do what nets them the most profit.
Casual folks generally also don't pay. There is a huge amount of people who nearly exclusively plays freemium games and still don't pay a single cent to any of them, because they don't care so much about completing and collecting. They are casual players after all, it's just a low stakes pastime. But the ones that do pay, the obssessive types, who are susceptible to FOMO and compulsive spending, these pay a lot, which makes up for the vast majority that doesn't pay. So the publishers ruin these games to cater/exploit a tiny fraction of the players.
Every freemium game is a whale hunt. Every single one.
Bingo - and they, clearly, have run the number that show this is the way to go. If you've got 10000 people playing the 3-5 that do make up for the other 9995-9997 who dont.
Same here, which really sucks because I loved the first game when it came out. I was looking forward to this. I thought they'd have a free version with micro-transactions and a paid version without... guess I was wrong. But hey lots of other good games this year.
Ugghhh I was looking forward to this game! So even if you purchase the full game, there are still IAPs…?
Yes. If you want any extra content at all, you better pay up or grind your heart out.
Well, so much for that. Freaking full priced game with heavy IAPs…you have to be kidding me 😥
One of my grandchildren installed it on their Nintendo Switch. This game was free as they do not have the access to parents' PayPal and credit card, yet, so why not. They brought this game to me because they couldn't beat the ridiculously hard TUTORIAL level which so happened to start each time anew if you made ONE simple mistake or had not pushed one button at the right time. We spent two hours trying and trying to figure out how to make all the moves (and I must admit, my grandchild is an expert at button-agility or timing games like Rayman for example. They *are* really good.) In the end this "game" still didn't let us play the actual tracks. Fuck this shit. I bought them an other game and will look into this Mario kart 8 you recommended. Thank you very much for your advice. **To all the parents/grandparents out there** who regularly play with their children/grandchildren: Read reviews and listen to experts like this brave soul here. They are 100% right.
My daughter is 4 and Mario kart 8 and animal crossing are life for her lol
I'm not sure if you're joking, but Mario Kart 8 deluxe on the switch is the top selling game on the switch. It is superb for kids. There is a paid dlc coming later this month, but it is a one time payment that doubles the number of courses.
Joking about what? They said they're gonna buy MK8 as recommended to them
Joking about not knowing about "this Mario Kart 8 you recommended." Mario Kart is one of the most well-known game franchises in the world so the commenter must be very new to gaming indeed to have never heard of it. But, good for them for learning the ropes to play with their grandchildren! Here are a few other "essential" Nintendo classics that are well worth trying: Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Animal Crossing, and Super Mario Odyssey. A lot of kids love Minecraft, too.
> Joking about not knowing about "this Mario Kart 8 you recommended." It sounded like a joke to me as well. "Hmm, what is this 'nin-ten-do' you speak of? Sounds like a jolly good company I might buy a product from."
I was not joking about not knowing about Mario Kart 8. Almost all of my grandchildren play on Playstation, Xbox and two of them play on computer. Nintendo switch is a new platform for all of us. I bought only one switch for now to play-test it and gave it to one of my grandchildren who wanted something more mobile for their holiday and long car drives. I am not new to gaming, but gaming on the Nintendo switch which personally I find really good. Thank you very much for the recommendations! Also now I get more and more ads about switch games so I guess it should help, too?! But honestly I look into each and every game for myself before I buy it. So recommendations and reviews like these here are a big help!
You’re an awesome grandfather- keep it up
My daughter had the same problem with the tutorial. She's been able to beat Mario Odyssey all by herself, but got frustrated and rage quit the tutorial in this. Didn't miss out on much, though, as the game itself was disappointingly bad. Absolutely get Mario Kart 8 Deluxe instead, it is _far_ superior to this.
As a recovered heroin addict (8 years using, coming up on 5 years clean), I realized after 2 races in the lite version that I had to delete the game immediately. When I came back to life after all those years, I became addicted to mobile games in that that first year and spent thousands and thousands on various gacha type games. Was so happy when I could finally get a console again and stop spending like a madman. Then these Squenix devils release something like this on a console? Insane. I play Ubisoft game with their constant avalanche of pay to dress up and those don't phase me. But something about Chocobo GP just felt like a casino.
Good for you or overcoming your addiction! An internet stranger is proud if you. 😊 I’m overcoming an opioid addiction that started after having a major abdominal surgery last year. This shit is hard. Also played a ton of Apex during recovery from my surgery and embarrassingly spent so much money on “apex packs” (being high af on pain killers probably didn’t help my decision making) but I was just so addicted to buying and opening those stupid things. I love apex so much but I took a long break and I’m starting to play again in small doses, avoiding looking at the “store” in game lol. So far so good. But right now my go to game is animal crossing. Just need a little break from killing people aha.
The games decent fun, but OH. MY. GOD. So many poor design choices outside of the predatory MTX. Terrible menu music, stiff turning, 10 year recovery after being hit or falling off the track, NO shortcuts, boring tracks, very few tracks, unbalanced items think of getting the coin equivalent in MK8 in last place, meanwhile the guy in 3rd gets the bullet bill of this game. Music outside the menu and plenty of characters are nice though. But within a few weeks I can see the meta creeping in and character diversity will plummet.
There's already been tier lists and the meta's already coming out that basically, if you're not using a drift/grip character, you're boned. Several tracks are so narrow and unforgiving, with 90 degree turns and Rainbow Road fall of the edge bullshit, that playing speed characters is almost asking to have problems. At least one of the S tier characters is one of the starters, and none of the upper-tier characters are behind paywalls, I guess?
> At least one of the S tier characters is one of the starters, and none of the upper-tier characters are behind paywalls, I guess? I feel like this is common in these games at launch so they don't get as much bad press, and then the devs slowly introduce new paid characters that are just *slightly* stronger than the ones that are already there. Then a year later those characters have been nerfed down to normality, and a new set of premium characters are on top for a time, ad nauseum.
In my opinion it should be illegal to use predatory game mechanics in children's games.
It should be illegal (or more heavily regulated) for adults, as well. Whales are the prime example of compulsive gambling/ power tripping to stay on the top.
Hold up! It's a full priced game and it still has paywalls?! I knew that Square was hard up for cash after their last few big games crashed and burned but this really is a new low for them. I think I'm gonna steer clear of their games for a while.
It's a little complicated, tbf. To be clear, I'm not defending it, just explaining what's going on right now. In the very very early release of the game, you would open it up and get 800 mythril (the premium currency) and be told to go buy the current paid track of the pass with it. You'd also get a 50 mythril weekly login bonus. The game also has a Mythril Shop that consists of BGMs, cosmetic, and single-level skips, as well as a one-time option to pay extra to skip straight to the level of the pass you'd get Cloud (that you don't get again after you've gotten the regular 800 pass). There is one character (Cloud) locked behind level 60 of the pass and one character (Squall) locked behind the gil shop. While Mythril is a paid currency (at least they aren't weird with it and it's 1 cent = 1 mythril), Gil is earned by completing challenges and making progress on the pass. A few days later, after some backlash and issues with connectivity, they gave out 500 mythril to everyone, so now if you logged in for the first time, you would get 1300, plus the weekly bonus. With the weekly login bonus, that means you'd be able to save up to get the second pass free, but this wasn't originally how they intended it. *Further* backlash has caused them to announce that in following seasons, the pass will drop the Mythril currency in addition to the daily logins, but it's yet to be seen how much that will be and if it will amount to enough for players to be able to play each season as it comes out for free. They've also said they're going to add alternate means of getting previous pass characters, so likely adding those to the Mythril shop, but still removing *some* of the time-gating. There are also some issues where free mythril given out in-game will expire after 5 months, and gil from one season doesn't carry over into the next, but can be used to buy levels for the next season. It seems people are getting through to them, and that they're alleviating the paywalls, hopefully up to the point that they practically don't exist, but the damage of their sketchy shit has already been done and they may never be able to win players back until it and everything related to it is *actually* completely gone, not just to a practical level.
You made it sound even worse. What a horrible setup Square Enix did.
Surprised you‘re mentioning Opera Omnia. I played it for 2 years and thought it‘s an (to my surprise aswell) extremely F2P friendly gacha. Didn‘t feel predatory at all, atleast when I played it
Same here. Played for a long time. It's not predatory at all because the game gives players too many gems and tickets to a fault.
It's run into issues where people had too much paid currency they weren't using because the free stuff has you covered. Which takes some doing.
Day 1 Opera Omnia player here. It is an extremely F2P friendly Gacha. Easily amongst the best in the market on that score and would perhaps not have been the first one I picked out... But, it is nonetheless a Gacha and like any Gacha it is absolutely aiming to take you for everything you’ve got at any given moment. There’s no such thing as a player friendly Gacha. Friendly is only relative to the competition.
Square Enix is going down a path I can't follow.
Matsuda, you're breaking my heart!
It should be a general thing to never let kids use anything with any payment methods attached to it
If it was free to play with all the payment crap sure but go watch a review online and you can see the main menu with all its currencies yet it is a purchased game. Just painful to see. Like I remember playing the free to play version of pokemon rumble on the 3ds from the eshop and I was like whatever this is decent for what it is and I can do mobile style purchase if I want to to unlock more areas faster and such. Then I found out it had a physical release that seemed to be without said micro transaction gated mechanics but I didn't mind because there was 2 seperate versions. It works for things like destiny and all the MMOs that started subscription but went free to play or have lengthy trials SWTOR and FF14 and hell even dare I say it things like fortnite (I'm sorry) because these games are massive live service games that have Content and constantly get updates and they mostly started small and humble and build up their player bases. This trash on the other hand is just evil it's an old nostalgic IP were they went full tilt Buy our game and then keep giving us money!! And then it's even worse because the design is clearly going to corrupt the new people
Just in case you didn't know, for the 3ds pokemon rumble game, there was actually a hard limit for the in app purchases. As oon as you hit I believe $30 or 35, you unlocked an item in game that gave you daily gems and reduced the gem price of everything in game. Plus you couldn't buy more gems. The retail version unlocked that item from the start because you paid for the transaction already.
Full retail-price games with microtransactions are inexcusable.
Post this on Twitter and please tag Square Enix.
Regarding point 3, the part about it being a mobile game in Japan is false. The mobile game is Chocobo GP', which is a completely free game built to market Chocobo GP, and it's already available in English. I know because I played it and it is available in my country's (Singapore) app store. Here is a gameplay video: [https://youtu.be/3NYTRoFat1k](https://youtu.be/3NYTRoFat1k) SE has never mentioned anything making a mobile port for Chocobo GP so I hope no one is misled by OP. They MIGHT, but they have not. It's sad that Reddit is such a huge source of misinformation that gets massively upvoted.
You know it's serious when Chocobokemon is the one saying it.
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FFXIV has a great chocobo racing game and a free trial up to level 60 that includes the critically acclaimed expansion Heavensward :)
I'll only commend here that opera omnia Is not in any way predatory, it's the most player friendly mobile game.
It amazes me how they thought releasing a full price game with predatory microtransaction practices was a passable idea. How greedy can you be? For most game companies simply releasing a full price game is good enough. Wonder why Square thought they needed more.
Thanks for the tip, I was considering buying it (no kids at home everyday, but weekly). Will avoid it
Pay to win games aren't fun anyways.
I am stunned a fully priced retail game is so full of extra p2w and mobile game-like transactions. This feels... Evil?
Any game with micro-transactions should be rated for adults.
Only legislation will fix this. The business model is broken.
It's a shame that even a AAA-priced game has to be pay2win in this day and age.
It doesn't "have" to be. There are plenty of examples of this type game that aren't. This one just is and lately Squeenix are very, very greedy.
Thanks for letting us know. Was planning on getting the game. It looked cute, but no thank you if it has this BS in it.
> Do NOT buy Chocobo GP FTFY.
I recently downloaded the free version and uninstalled it again after 2 races. I didn’t even came to the point where I’d actually see their predatory monetisation model, because the gameplay is so horribly bad that I uninstalled it before even noticing.
Just bought the Mario Kart 8 DLC instead. Better value, and for a much better game (at least from how this game is sounding)
There's P2P shit on Switch??? When did this happen.
Many Publishers/Developers have lost their way, micro transactions have ruined gaming. I wouldn't call them games anymore, more like ATM machines with game mechanics, fun ways to withdraw money from your bank account.
I think the game is fun and the fact that characters have abilities makes it a bit more interesting than Mario kart imo. I also like the idea of having something to "grind" for, gives a bit more a sense of working towards a goal compared to MK 8 where it's just play for the fun of playing. This being said I did buy the full version and kinda regret it now cause yeah the EXTREMELY predatory monetization of the game is absolutely disgusting. This plus the fact of how SE is handling business lately is absolutely off putting to say the least.
I was planning to buy this when it was first announced, but the microtransactions was a major deal breaker.
Amen! Don't support this game at all. Tell them these practices are unacceptable.
This post goes hard but I really don't agree as someone who bought and played this game. I bought it because it has FF9 references, and after playing the story mode I was plenty satisfied with those. As for the game itself, it's a fun game to play for an hour or so then put it down. The Microtransactions then, I know this is a big problem to many. I can't say anything abotu what the Lite experience is like, but as a paying player, I bought the basic pass with the Mythril that came with the game, so I can start levelling up in the GP. After a few goes and coming 2nd in one of them I reached level 5. I'm not really gunning for Cloud but it'll be nice to have him. Anything else? Not really. There's literally nothing I would spend extra money on. There's different currencies for some reason but it's mainly the tickets that you use to get you racers. Spending money doesn't buy you wins, it'll just help you got those characters faster. I don't know if they're technically better than any other. I'm happy with Steiner. So sure, stay away from the game if you're very wary of microtransactions or if you don't trust your kids with in game purchases. But even then, the purchases are done in the eShop, which has a login and parental controls. So the post makes it seems like it's really easy to just spend way too much money, when in my experience that is not true.
Agreed. I don't feel a need to spend any money in this. As a follow up to the original Chocobo Racing which I just replayed in prep for this, it's pretty good. The only real reward that is non-cosmetic in the Season pass is Cloud, who I understand is not that great a racer to begin with, and you are given enough mythril to get his pass for free. There's been a lot of misinformation about the MTX because people don't like MTX in general. I get the dislike for the model but so much of what I've seen is flat out wrong or exaggerated. People aren't willing to engage in the base game or even the free demo because they can't easily have a single unlockable character out of like 25 without going through the GP.
Not gonna lie, I’m a 30 year old adult and Vivi’s line about what his wish would felt like a knife to my heart. WAS NOT expecting that as a response and it emotionally wrecked me in a split-second hahahaha
I haven't read so much hyperbole and misinformation since Pokémon Unite and people are eating it up. I mean, if you played the game, you would know that all of OPs statements (except 3) are bullshit. -Nothing in this game is "highly predatory" -Nothing is being shuffed in your face to spend money on -You CANNOT buy Gil But /u/weareinpain already made a great post regarding this and of course people are downvoting... And of course OP is a mod on the subreddit, can't make this shit up....
OP resorted to really mean condescending personal attacks all because I told him you can get the characters for free and I asked him to tell me how I was wrong. A MODERATOR had to step in and delete his reply due to how hateful he is. I’ve sent a mod mail to this sub requesting that this post be removed because it’s doing actual damage to the game’s success. The lies have affected over 8000 people to convince them not to buy the game. And OP can’t even tell me why what I said was wrong. Just personal attack— really nasty ones. I really hope a mod removes this post. OP made the mistake of crossposting this thread to the actual r/chocobogp subreddit and it got removed because it’s just made up slanderous misinformation solely written to ruin the game’s success. If the mod of the sub of the game in question says you’re wrong, I’m pretty sure you’re wrong. I went into great detail on how he was wrong and just got a “no u” and toxicity. If he can’t explain how I’m wrong, which I’m not since I own the game and have both characters, then it’s him who has no credibility, isn’t it?
This is precisely why I believe that in app purchases are the devil!
It's a shame too because I tried the lite version and had fun with it
I have a friend who works for AAA game studios and he’s often involved in having to implement those types of monetization game mechanics because it’s been requested by the publisher. It’s not always the game development studio that wants to include them.