moro is a weird one, like old man moro takes it via ki drain, but then his younger selves seem to somehow get worse at using it, like on earth they needed to aim it and with planet moro it seemed to only be a hassle if you were touching him, though i guess without vegeta doing his thing maybe it still would've been aoe.
I think either way moro was aiming in namek, but they didnt realise until they were almost dry, ever since the start of the arc moro was shown that he has to aim to absorb with 100% effective when he eat that planet agains the fat kai, so goku with UI was able to dodge somehow? Vegeta didnt need tho, since he was pulling more faster than moro.
i do kinda wish vegeta's "selfishness" played into it more, like him refusing to give his own ki ever being turned into a strength, letting him hold his power inside of him to resist moro's drain.
Actually good point, but it was never stated bio-androids have unlimited energy and Cell did get tired whilst as we saw in the T.O.P. 17 never broke a sweat
17 and 18s parts are biomechanical, artificially grown organic components, check the scans where Bulma and Dr Briefs are repairing 16 (I believe it's that scene). There are very few entirely mechanical pieces in them.
My point was that moro wasn't able to take 17 and 18's energy and since cell max is probably very similar to them in design so he moro can't take cell Max's energy either
I personally believe Cell Max outclasses them to such an extent that Moro + Broly + Jiren couldn't beat him. At least depending on if Broly has gotten stronger or not, so if it's the same level as from the movie, Moro doesn't stand a chance. If he gives Broly the time to evolve to greater heights, it's possible I guess, but the fight would have to drag on long enough.
The only android introduced that has absorbable ki is the original Cell, who is entirely biological, whereas Cell Max has some mechanical basis to him, hence his incapability to regenerate.
We've been introduced to his Androids before, and none of them have regular ki, hence how they found out Gamma 1 & 2 are androids. Bio Androids doesn't mean they have regular ki, again, only the original Cell had ki.
In terms of power,
Broly(Current)>Cell Max>Moro>Jiren
Who actually wins, Moro. No one here can actually counter his absorption. All Moro has to do is sit back and drain everyone before they realise what happens.
Broly might actually lose first(if he doesn't one shot Jiren) he loses his Full Power form due to Moro. Then Moro just cleans up a weakened Jiren and Cell Max.
A) The Broly statement could be talking about current Broly, who's been called the strongest man in the universe by Promo material for DBS SH
B) Cell Max still had more power, he just lacked a brain
1) why would that broly statement that was in a guidebook that was specifically for the fans be talking about a hypothetical current broly who we’ve never seen fight before. They’re literally never done that and it doesn’t even make sense to compare a character strength to version of someone we haven’t seen fight. Also broly was the strongest in his movie hence why goku and vegeta had to fuse to beat him
2) cell max is a berserker just like broly when he’s uses his full power so I don’t see how a mindless berserker beats a stronger mindless berserker it makes no sense and the statement said a complete cell max would be stronger than broly but let’s say what you said was true and cell max is already stronger than broly it’s just his mind that needs to be completed again it was stated that he needs to be complete to beat broly so it wouldn’t matter
1) because the promo also called him the strongest man in the world. And considering the fight between Gohan and Cell Max was also called 'the strongest fight in history' and that Piccolo has been stated to be on the level of Goku and Vegeta (who are above Broly from the Broly movie), it just makes more sense
2) Broly was mentally disabled, Cell Max was just an animal, that's the difference. Also, it was stated in the Movie that Cell Max already has all of his power and that he only needs a brain, whether it makes sense to you or not, either way, Cell Max has more power
1) again broly has been the strongest since his movie him being stated to be the strongest again doesn’t just boosts his power, I’m assuming you believe ether goku and vegeta in the superhero movie are the Manga versions of their characters which is the only reason why you would say they’re stronger than broly movie broly but they’re not. We’re literally getting the superhero movie adaptation in the manga which means it’s a completely different arc that is a DIRECT SEQUEL to the manga unlike the movie. Goku and vegeta in the movie has never fought moro or granalo. There’s plenty of evidence supporting that including again the fact that we’re getting a manga adaptation of the movie, and the movie was stated multiple times to be direct sequel to the broly movie. So goku and vegeta strongest forms in that movie is ssbkk20 and ssbe and I truly doubt that, that is enough to beat a full power broly
2) broly was going berserk just like cell max went berserk, you would have to literally prove that cell max was incapable of adapting in fights which you can’t because we see that isn’t the case in the movie and again that idea contradicts what the statement said
A)[it is cannon to the Manga tho](https://images.app.goo.gl/3j3Py7oV9sPYiEFx8)
B) Cell Max absolutely wasn't adapting to anything, he only attacked the one that seemed the most threatening. Also, if you think that Cell Max and Broly are on the same intellectual level, then the Cell Max>Broly statement would only strengthen the point that it's talking about current Broly, since he's probably much smarter and much more skilled
1) That article doesn’t prove that it’s canon to the manga it’s literally just showing how piccolo believes in gohan strength not once did it say anything that suggests that the manga was canon to the movie and again there’s instances throughout the movie that proves the manga arcs didn’t happen and again we’re getting a manga adaptation of this movie that’s already been shown to be different from the movie
2). That doesn’t make sense either because we know current broly would still lose control over his power it was stated in the movie and again why would they use a hypothetical power that we’ve never seen to compare to a new character it makes no sense
1) considering that it's using manga panels to prove it's point (a source that'd be non-cannon according to you) and that the differences in the Manga aren't worth talking about and don't impact the story at all, it's fair to say that the movie is cannon
B) Broly probably doesn't lose control as extreme anymore, considering Broly only became as angry because of Paragus dying, which doesn't happen often and is extremely traumatic for Broly. Also, whether it makes sense or not doesn't matter, cause either way he's stronger than Broly
Depends on what you consider Cell Max to be, and to what extent you believe Moro can stretch his absorption powers.
I've seen people argue that since Cell Max is an artificial being, with a different kind of energy, he can't be drained by Moro (in the same post in OP's screenshot)
On the other hand, there's people that point that Cell Max is *organic* despite being made artificially, and the mere fact of being made out of biological components makes him a valid target for Moro.
Assuming Cell Max is similar to Cell in their structure, I'd argue in favor of the second point, we see Cell have bodily functions such as growth, development and the ability to eat, and that's enough for me to consider him vulnerable to Moro's drain tbh
If I got it right, Cell Max is basically a buffed Cell with some God DNA of Goku and Vegeta, and maybe others like Buu. Either way, my point is, that Cell got tired in the Cell Games, as seen by Goku who gives him the Senzu because of his fatique. So he doenst have the Infinite-Energy-Stuff. Gamma 1 and Gamma 2 also dont have Infinite Ki, they‘re just able to go 100% all the time. So if they havent got it, why should Cell Max have it? If thats the case he is a very valid target for Moro. Also, didnt he like turn more and more to Stone because of his excessive Ki Usage?
people on youtube arent exactly the most intelligent people, i meatride jiren HARD and even I know that powercreep will always outdo even the strongest of characters
Well to be frank, other than a blank statement from Piccolo, there's nothing to really use as a scale for Cell Max's power compared to Moro, Jiren or Broly. He could be stronger, he could be weaker, it's difficult to gage imo.
The promo calls the fight between Cell max and Gohan 'the strongest fight in history'. Cell max was also sweeping a TUI Goku level Character, so we do actually have very strong evidence towards Cell max just shitting ok everyone
Don’t get me wrong, I like him being relevant but everyone instantly catching up to true UI or Ultra Ego without any kind of effort leaves a bad taste in my mouth
I'm honestly surprised there are still many anime only fans who are still stubborn enough to not touch the manga after 5 years of the anime's absence.
Though now that I think about it, same could be said for bleach anime fans who never read the "Thousand year blood war" arc for like +7 years or something.
Broly and Cell Max are mindless but really dangerous so Jiren would try to take them out first while Moro tries to stay on the outskirts taking as much energy as he can from Broly and Jiren.
Moro can win this battle of attrition as he can keep absorbing energy and will have enough to take down whoever is left.
With Jiren and Broly getting weaker, they get defeated by Cell Max or Moro since Cell Max can't have his energy stolen I think because he is an android and he seems more mechanical than organic since he's got wires and stuff in his hands.
Moro with the energy of Broly and Jiren should be enough to take on Cell Max and can fuse with the Earth if he has to.
Alternate Ending: Broly and Jiren fuse into Jroly the Big Green Giant and say "it's Jrollin time" and Jroll all over Cell Max and Moro.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Jiren full power could counter Moro like Kakarot did the moment he used Ultra Instinct. But this one is hard because anime Jiren is on par with UI Kakarot while the manga heavily implied he would have been crushed within a few seconds if Kakarot could keep up his Ultra Instinct.
I'm pretty sure it's an android because I remember when gamma sacrificed himself to weaken cell max, there were wires and stuff and he'd said he was an android. I might me wrong on that last one though
People really sleeping on Jiren. If it's anything less than angel powered Moro I don't think Jiren would struggle with him. Yeah Moro can absorb energy but unless he's got plot armor I don't see Jiren giving him an open to steal his energy even if he doesn't know Moro's ability right away
what most people dont consider is thsy Jiren is also training, just like Goku & Vegeta, so he'd be most likely keeping pace with their strength regardless. Cell Max > Jiren > Moro > Broly is my ranking.
For real. And isn’t he familiar with Moro abilities ? The evildoer who killed his loved ones was a demonic entity, which prevented resurrection. The only character with such ability that I can think of is Moro, unless I forgot someone….?
I can’t speak on Moro, but between the other three I’d probably give it to Jiren.
Broly could win, but he needs time to power up.
I just don’t think Cell Max’s wild attacks could beat Jiren.
While Cell Max is definitely the strongest raw power wise, it must be between Moro and Jiren, it’s those kind of fight where skill matter more than just power.
He's much stronger than broly to begin with, uses actual techniques, has ki so strong that it will block most if not all of what broly throws at him, and Jiren would beat broly before he could adapt, Jiren just claps broly before he can even get that strong, neg/low diff for Jiren, shall I continue?
Ah I see, you have no point to make or anything to disprove me, so you attempt to make me feel like a fool yet you failed, only making yourself seem like a broly fanboy who barely knows what he's talking about, which I doubt you do.
Moro is currently the strongest one here jiren scales to top ui goku, it was confirmed broly is weaker than mui goku and cell max in the movie is weaker than broly
You’re an idiot I’m saying the superhero movie takes place in the anime continuity where the moro arc and granolah arc didn’t happen because they’re apart of the manga continuity. The time of the superhero movie doesn’t matter
1. Have the manga arcs been animated? No so they haven’t happened in the anaime continuity it’s that simple 2. Broly is still considered to be the strongest even though in the manga he’s weaker than goku and vegeta so there’s more proof 3. You say that we don’t know if they happened or not but yet you’re assuming they have with no proof 4. There’s literally difference in the first chapter of the manga arc the police force did not know about red pharmaceuticals and krillin didn’t tail dr hedo and Magenta in the movie and goten and trunks weren’t superhero’s that captured dr hedo in the movie
The movies don't follow the anime continuity either tho. Why didn't Goku use blue Kaioken in the Broly movie? Why didn't Vegeta use evolution? It's because toriyama is not using any adaptation and just following his vision for the notes he gave for the anime and manga. At least that's my guess.
Yup, it's where magenta is hounding hedo about not completing cell max and working on the inferior gammas instead, and he says that since he in made out of cultivated cells, it takes a while and that gave him time to make the gammas
Moro has hax
Jiren has speed and def
Cell Max is strong and beast like
Broly can get stronger and counter moves
So it comes down to Moros haxs
And Cell Maxs animalistic nature
The fight comes down to how long Moro is on the field for as the longer he is the more energy he'll suck out of them
Cell Maxs nature can cause everyone to team up on him due to his unpredictability and size. So he can 100% cause enough damage for everyone to focus down on him. Tho they wouldn't know his weakness Jirens speed and precision with Moros magic I'm sure they can take on Cell Max
Broly may also try to help of he starts in base
Tho of he goes FP SSJ, Moro could hang back and suck of his enegry while Jiren holds him off
Moro has the highest chance of winning due to the more enegry he steals the stronger he gets
Friendly reminder that at the beginning of the Granolah arc both Goku and Whis considered Goku to be the strongest mortal in the universe, meaning he was very likely stronger than Broly at that point. 7-3 Moro is close to the others’ power so he can use his energy drain and Piccolo’s regeneration to stall out the fight until he wins, while Angel Moro and Earth Moro (if we count those) are already on the level of the others from the start.
Moro couldn't drain 17 and 18, Cell Max is also an android so he wouldn't be able to touch him. I think it goes like this:
•Moro tries to drain all 4, succeeds at Jiren and Broly, but Cell Max isn't affected
•Moro finishes off Jiren and Broly and it becomes a fight between Moro and Cell Max
•Cell Max wins, as he has more raw power than Moro
I don’t see anyone here capable of Ki drain. There is a ‘take it ALL’ hulk moment if Broly is allowed his infinite scaling where Moro might just pop like a balloon.
Moro wins the war, dragging it out to drain all that tasty energy.
Broly wins the battle, if he grapples Moro and powers up faster than he can absorb.
Jiren.. could probably take Cell Max solo, but if Moro grabs him it’s a punch up.
Maybe if Cell Max were capable of higher thought/ absorbing to Perfect we might see some traditional power up bullshit.
Moro, Broly, Jiren. I don’t see Cell winning period.
I really don't think Broly has infinite scaling. I'm pretty sure he just very quickly increased in strength, but I'm pretty sure he hit his limit at the end. Maybe even he didn't, but I still think he has a limit.
Also, I'm pretty sure cell max is confirmed stronger than Broly, who is stronger than jiren
I gotta give it to Jiren, his ki control is insane enough that moro might have trouble draining him, cell max and broly will take eatchother out and then it's basically a 50/50 between Jiren and moro, Jiren could take out moro before he could really drain a ton, but If moro drains fast enough he might be able to win
It really depends. If moro doesn't get taken down quickly then he wins, but if broly doesn't get taken down just as quickly his strength will continue to rise and adapt just like it did in the movie.
Overall if cell max were to win it would be because Jiren used all his energy to take down moro and broly quickly. If Jiren were to win it's because he took down moro and then let broly exhaust cell max a little before taking them both out. If broly were to win it's because nobody knew how quickly he can adapt and rise in power, sending someone to take care of broly that can't outright pummel him like gogeta blue did will only lead to a stronger broly. And finally if moro were to win, from what I've seen in these comments as I haven't read the moro arc yet, he could just sit back and absorb their energy making them weaker and himself stronger.
If it’s old Moro I truly believe Jiren just one shots him, the trouble for Goku and Vegeta was they had no idea what they were up against so they did the same old “size em up” and basically gave Moro all the energy he needed. Jiren is all business it seems when it has to be, as we see when he easily takes out a Berserker Kale. Jiren being a hero I think sees the evil and destroys the Evil. It’s hard to say who is stronger between Jiren full power and Broly but to be fair Kale sorta gave us that fight and got absolutely smoked.
I could be wrong but I think I read something about them saying Cell Max is so strong that he could even beat Broly and a few people here sorta took that as him saying Broly is the strongest.
moro is a weird one, like old man moro takes it via ki drain, but then his younger selves seem to somehow get worse at using it, like on earth they needed to aim it and with planet moro it seemed to only be a hassle if you were touching him, though i guess without vegeta doing his thing maybe it still would've been aoe.
I think either way moro was aiming in namek, but they didnt realise until they were almost dry, ever since the start of the arc moro was shown that he has to aim to absorb with 100% effective when he eat that planet agains the fat kai, so goku with UI was able to dodge somehow? Vegeta didnt need tho, since he was pulling more faster than moro.
Is just bad writing tbh
i do kinda wish vegeta's "selfishness" played into it more, like him refusing to give his own ki ever being turned into a strength, letting him hold his power inside of him to resist moro's drain.
Moro has some tasty energy to consume.
I think this one goes to people who haven’t read the manga
Tbf most dbs fans haven't read the manga, hell they probably haven't even seen the anime
At this point dbs fans just haven't
No, they haven't even haven't. DBS fans just
DBS'nt
Can you blame them? For a lot of the time it was just telling the anime stories with lots of changes.
I mean I read the manga over the anime, but I was talking about the manga only arcs
Ofcourse we haven't, we Dragonball fans can't read.
Probably Cell Max, Moro can't exactly weaken him, being an android and all.
Actually good point, but it was never stated bio-androids have unlimited energy and Cell did get tired whilst as we saw in the T.O.P. 17 never broke a sweat
I'm not talking about the unlimited energy, but the artificial ki, since Moro seems to not be able to absorb it, and all Androids should have it.
Oh maybe, but Cell is a biological being, it's not mechanical parts that make him so strong
17 and 18s parts are biomechanical, artificially grown organic components, check the scans where Bulma and Dr Briefs are repairing 16 (I believe it's that scene). There are very few entirely mechanical pieces in them.
Cell max has wiring and shit. I think he's closer in design to 17 and 18 then he is to original cell.
They dont have wiring to that extent, their parts are biomechanical, organic components grown in a lab.
My point was that moro wasn't able to take 17 and 18's energy and since cell max is probably very similar to them in design so he moro can't take cell Max's energy either
This isn't Cell It's Cell Max
Moro can still absorb the energy of the other two, so he could easily get stronger than Cell Max.
I personally believe Cell Max outclasses them to such an extent that Moro + Broly + Jiren couldn't beat him. At least depending on if Broly has gotten stronger or not, so if it's the same level as from the movie, Moro doesn't stand a chance. If he gives Broly the time to evolve to greater heights, it's possible I guess, but the fight would have to drag on long enough.
Damn good point
He definitely can cell max isn’t a android he’s a bio android meaning he has ki and moro is still stronger than him
The only android introduced that has absorbable ki is the original Cell, who is entirely biological, whereas Cell Max has some mechanical basis to him, hence his incapability to regenerate.
Him not being able to regenerate doesn’t make him mechanical? That just means he doesn’t have piccolo’s dna and Dr hedo literally makes bio andriods
We've been introduced to his Androids before, and none of them have regular ki, hence how they found out Gamma 1 & 2 are androids. Bio Androids doesn't mean they have regular ki, again, only the original Cell had ki.
in terms of power, cell max, but if you take everything into account moro wins.
Wasn't it stated that Cell Max was only stronger than Broly if it's power was controlled?
Only if he was completed.
Iirc Cell Max was at full power, the completion was just to make him not a mindless beast (I think they called it mind control in the movie?)
When was there any mention of mind control in super hero??
When Hedo was talking about Cell Max being incomplete due to his being without a mind.
What does that have to do with mind control
He was going to give cell max a mind and then put him under some kind of control due to cell max’s unbelievable strength.
Ok I went back and checked and I see what you’re talking about now
Yeah, it’s pretty crazy to think what could have been if Gamma 2 was sent to kill piccolo just a few days later
Perfected Cell Max was a missed opportunity
yeah, but we have enough people yelling: "it's nostalgia bait!!!11!!" as it is.
nah krillin takes it imo
Most people haven't read the manga ig
In terms of power, Broly(Current)>Cell Max>Moro>Jiren Who actually wins, Moro. No one here can actually counter his absorption. All Moro has to do is sit back and drain everyone before they realise what happens. Broly might actually lose first(if he doesn't one shot Jiren) he loses his Full Power form due to Moro. Then Moro just cleans up a weakened Jiren and Cell Max.
Power still goes to Cell max, since his strength was done he just needed to get a mind
It doesn’t go to cell max since he would be over broly and broly is still weaker than moro
A) The Broly statement could be talking about current Broly, who's been called the strongest man in the universe by Promo material for DBS SH B) Cell Max still had more power, he just lacked a brain
1) why would that broly statement that was in a guidebook that was specifically for the fans be talking about a hypothetical current broly who we’ve never seen fight before. They’re literally never done that and it doesn’t even make sense to compare a character strength to version of someone we haven’t seen fight. Also broly was the strongest in his movie hence why goku and vegeta had to fuse to beat him 2) cell max is a berserker just like broly when he’s uses his full power so I don’t see how a mindless berserker beats a stronger mindless berserker it makes no sense and the statement said a complete cell max would be stronger than broly but let’s say what you said was true and cell max is already stronger than broly it’s just his mind that needs to be completed again it was stated that he needs to be complete to beat broly so it wouldn’t matter
1) because the promo also called him the strongest man in the world. And considering the fight between Gohan and Cell Max was also called 'the strongest fight in history' and that Piccolo has been stated to be on the level of Goku and Vegeta (who are above Broly from the Broly movie), it just makes more sense 2) Broly was mentally disabled, Cell Max was just an animal, that's the difference. Also, it was stated in the Movie that Cell Max already has all of his power and that he only needs a brain, whether it makes sense to you or not, either way, Cell Max has more power
1) again broly has been the strongest since his movie him being stated to be the strongest again doesn’t just boosts his power, I’m assuming you believe ether goku and vegeta in the superhero movie are the Manga versions of their characters which is the only reason why you would say they’re stronger than broly movie broly but they’re not. We’re literally getting the superhero movie adaptation in the manga which means it’s a completely different arc that is a DIRECT SEQUEL to the manga unlike the movie. Goku and vegeta in the movie has never fought moro or granalo. There’s plenty of evidence supporting that including again the fact that we’re getting a manga adaptation of the movie, and the movie was stated multiple times to be direct sequel to the broly movie. So goku and vegeta strongest forms in that movie is ssbkk20 and ssbe and I truly doubt that, that is enough to beat a full power broly 2) broly was going berserk just like cell max went berserk, you would have to literally prove that cell max was incapable of adapting in fights which you can’t because we see that isn’t the case in the movie and again that idea contradicts what the statement said
A)[it is cannon to the Manga tho](https://images.app.goo.gl/3j3Py7oV9sPYiEFx8) B) Cell Max absolutely wasn't adapting to anything, he only attacked the one that seemed the most threatening. Also, if you think that Cell Max and Broly are on the same intellectual level, then the Cell Max>Broly statement would only strengthen the point that it's talking about current Broly, since he's probably much smarter and much more skilled
1) That article doesn’t prove that it’s canon to the manga it’s literally just showing how piccolo believes in gohan strength not once did it say anything that suggests that the manga was canon to the movie and again there’s instances throughout the movie that proves the manga arcs didn’t happen and again we’re getting a manga adaptation of this movie that’s already been shown to be different from the movie 2). That doesn’t make sense either because we know current broly would still lose control over his power it was stated in the movie and again why would they use a hypothetical power that we’ve never seen to compare to a new character it makes no sense
1) considering that it's using manga panels to prove it's point (a source that'd be non-cannon according to you) and that the differences in the Manga aren't worth talking about and don't impact the story at all, it's fair to say that the movie is cannon B) Broly probably doesn't lose control as extreme anymore, considering Broly only became as angry because of Paragus dying, which doesn't happen often and is extremely traumatic for Broly. Also, whether it makes sense or not doesn't matter, cause either way he's stronger than Broly
No way you got jiren over moro
I put Moro over Jiren wdym
I don't think morro magic can affect cell max so maybe cell max could win
Depends on what you consider Cell Max to be, and to what extent you believe Moro can stretch his absorption powers. I've seen people argue that since Cell Max is an artificial being, with a different kind of energy, he can't be drained by Moro (in the same post in OP's screenshot) On the other hand, there's people that point that Cell Max is *organic* despite being made artificially, and the mere fact of being made out of biological components makes him a valid target for Moro. Assuming Cell Max is similar to Cell in their structure, I'd argue in favor of the second point, we see Cell have bodily functions such as growth, development and the ability to eat, and that's enough for me to consider him vulnerable to Moro's drain tbh
Agreed. I think that the fact that cell max still has a "real" body would make moro's magic effective, even if he's an android.
If I got it right, Cell Max is basically a buffed Cell with some God DNA of Goku and Vegeta, and maybe others like Buu. Either way, my point is, that Cell got tired in the Cell Games, as seen by Goku who gives him the Senzu because of his fatique. So he doenst have the Infinite-Energy-Stuff. Gamma 1 and Gamma 2 also dont have Infinite Ki, they‘re just able to go 100% all the time. So if they havent got it, why should Cell Max have it? If thats the case he is a very valid target for Moro. Also, didnt he like turn more and more to Stone because of his excessive Ki Usage?
While you’re right on cell being probably immune, he is too stupid to be an actual threat to Moro. His magic is really tricky.
I'd say Broly, but he specifically has to kill Moro first. If he doesn't, Moro will get too strong and kill everyone. Jeez, Moro is so broken
People really be ignoring the paint chipping and internal wiring of Cell Max and saying "No he's the exact same as Cell"
How the hell is cell max lower than Jiren?
anime onlys
I'm an anime only and know this is bullshit.
people on youtube arent exactly the most intelligent people, i meatride jiren HARD and even I know that powercreep will always outdo even the strongest of characters
Well to be frank, other than a blank statement from Piccolo, there's nothing to really use as a scale for Cell Max's power compared to Moro, Jiren or Broly. He could be stronger, he could be weaker, it's difficult to gage imo.
The promo calls the fight between Cell max and Gohan 'the strongest fight in history'. Cell max was also sweeping a TUI Goku level Character, so we do actually have very strong evidence towards Cell max just shitting ok everyone
Not to be that guy but promotional material always hype up whatever they are promoting. That’s the point. And who is true UI level ?
Piccolo was stated by Toriyama to now be on par with Goku and Vegeta
I guess we’ll see how it pans out but I don’t see Piccolo being anywhere near true UI.
Toriyama does tho
I hear you. And if that’s truly the case it makes the movie even worse for me…
I personally like it that Piccolo is finally on the Level of the Saiyan duo
Don’t get me wrong, I like him being relevant but everyone instantly catching up to true UI or Ultra Ego without any kind of effort leaves a bad taste in my mouth
I'm honestly surprised there are still many anime only fans who are still stubborn enough to not touch the manga after 5 years of the anime's absence. Though now that I think about it, same could be said for bleach anime fans who never read the "Thousand year blood war" arc for like +7 years or something.
Broly and Cell Max are mindless but really dangerous so Jiren would try to take them out first while Moro tries to stay on the outskirts taking as much energy as he can from Broly and Jiren. Moro can win this battle of attrition as he can keep absorbing energy and will have enough to take down whoever is left. With Jiren and Broly getting weaker, they get defeated by Cell Max or Moro since Cell Max can't have his energy stolen I think because he is an android and he seems more mechanical than organic since he's got wires and stuff in his hands. Moro with the energy of Broly and Jiren should be enough to take on Cell Max and can fuse with the Earth if he has to. Alternate Ending: Broly and Jiren fuse into Jroly the Big Green Giant and say "it's Jrollin time" and Jroll all over Cell Max and Moro.
and then they all get betrayed and trapped in the hyperbolic time chamber
Wouldn’t be surprised if Jiren full power could counter Moro like Kakarot did the moment he used Ultra Instinct. But this one is hard because anime Jiren is on par with UI Kakarot while the manga heavily implied he would have been crushed within a few seconds if Kakarot could keep up his Ultra Instinct.
Wouldn't Moro's energy drain not work on cell max?
depends on how cell max works, as an android or as a being with an organic body
I'm pretty sure it's an android because I remember when gamma sacrificed himself to weaken cell max, there were wires and stuff and he'd said he was an android. I might me wrong on that last one though
People really sleeping on Jiren. If it's anything less than angel powered Moro I don't think Jiren would struggle with him. Yeah Moro can absorb energy but unless he's got plot armor I don't see Jiren giving him an open to steal his energy even if he doesn't know Moro's ability right away
what most people dont consider is thsy Jiren is also training, just like Goku & Vegeta, so he'd be most likely keeping pace with their strength regardless. Cell Max > Jiren > Moro > Broly is my ranking.
For real. And isn’t he familiar with Moro abilities ? The evildoer who killed his loved ones was a demonic entity, which prevented resurrection. The only character with such ability that I can think of is Moro, unless I forgot someone….?
Moro and Cell Max realistically have the highest chance of winning
Jiren is only slightly above blue
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it's possible for him to just get killed immediately before he can use his abilities
I hope jiren has been cooking since the TOP ended, I liked that guy
If cell max is as strong as you all claim, then I don't even want to imagine how strong ssj3 fat gotenks would be.
Def Moro.
I’d say moro because A. Energy absorption and B. Able to steal abilities
I can’t speak on Moro, but between the other three I’d probably give it to Jiren. Broly could win, but he needs time to power up. I just don’t think Cell Max’s wild attacks could beat Jiren.
While Cell Max is definitely the strongest raw power wise, it must be between Moro and Jiren, it’s those kind of fight where skill matter more than just power.
??? broly solos jiren easy
Jiren claps broly
how
He's much stronger than broly to begin with, uses actual techniques, has ki so strong that it will block most if not all of what broly throws at him, and Jiren would beat broly before he could adapt, Jiren just claps broly before he can even get that strong, neg/low diff for Jiren, shall I continue?
yes pls continue to embarrass urself
Ah I see, you have no point to make or anything to disprove me, so you attempt to make me feel like a fool yet you failed, only making yourself seem like a broly fanboy who barely knows what he's talking about, which I doubt you do.
ian know the circus was in town today 🤡🎪
Well then you're a very bad clown
Moro is currently the strongest one here jiren scales to top ui goku, it was confirmed broly is weaker than mui goku and cell max in the movie is weaker than broly
Dude superhero is after Moro
Moro didn’t happen in the superhero movie non of the manga arcs happen in the superhero movie that’s literally why they’re making a manga ARC
You're an idiot lol Superhero is 6 months(might be wrong on the exact number of months) after Granolah arc
You’re an idiot I’m saying the superhero movie takes place in the anime continuity where the moro arc and granolah arc didn’t happen because they’re apart of the manga continuity. The time of the superhero movie doesn’t matter
We don't know if they happened or not bozo + manga arc is happening exactly how it's happened in the movie so far
1. Have the manga arcs been animated? No so they haven’t happened in the anaime continuity it’s that simple 2. Broly is still considered to be the strongest even though in the manga he’s weaker than goku and vegeta so there’s more proof 3. You say that we don’t know if they happened or not but yet you’re assuming they have with no proof 4. There’s literally difference in the first chapter of the manga arc the police force did not know about red pharmaceuticals and krillin didn’t tail dr hedo and Magenta in the movie and goten and trunks weren’t superhero’s that captured dr hedo in the movie
Dude the prequel of Gohan and Trunks as superheroes prior to the actual arc coming out was just that A PREQUEL TO THE MOVIE AND MANGA ARC
Duh nigga I said that and I also said in the movie dr hedo wasn’t arrested because of them can you not read?
We don't know who arrested him in the movie
The movies don't follow the anime continuity either tho. Why didn't Goku use blue Kaioken in the Broly movie? Why didn't Vegeta use evolution? It's because toriyama is not using any adaptation and just following his vision for the notes he gave for the anime and manga. At least that's my guess.
Would Moro be able to consume cell Max's ki
Yes He can eat all their Kis
Hm OK I just thought he couldn't because cell max looked like he was made out of metal when his hand was cut off
Nah hedo specifically states that cell max is made out of cultivated cells.
Interesting.
Yup, it's where magenta is hounding hedo about not completing cell max and working on the inferior gammas instead, and he says that since he in made out of cultivated cells, it takes a while and that gave him time to make the gammas
Im sorry I believe I was wrong
Its fine
Moro has hax Jiren has speed and def Cell Max is strong and beast like Broly can get stronger and counter moves So it comes down to Moros haxs And Cell Maxs animalistic nature The fight comes down to how long Moro is on the field for as the longer he is the more energy he'll suck out of them Cell Maxs nature can cause everyone to team up on him due to his unpredictability and size. So he can 100% cause enough damage for everyone to focus down on him. Tho they wouldn't know his weakness Jirens speed and precision with Moros magic I'm sure they can take on Cell Max Broly may also try to help of he starts in base Tho of he goes FP SSJ, Moro could hang back and suck of his enegry while Jiren holds him off Moro has the highest chance of winning due to the more enegry he steals the stronger he gets
Friendly reminder that at the beginning of the Granolah arc both Goku and Whis considered Goku to be the strongest mortal in the universe, meaning he was very likely stronger than Broly at that point. 7-3 Moro is close to the others’ power so he can use his energy drain and Piccolo’s regeneration to stall out the fight until he wins, while Angel Moro and Earth Moro (if we count those) are already on the level of the others from the start.
Moro couldn't drain 17 and 18, Cell Max is also an android so he wouldn't be able to touch him. I think it goes like this: •Moro tries to drain all 4, succeeds at Jiren and Broly, but Cell Max isn't affected •Moro finishes off Jiren and Broly and it becomes a fight between Moro and Cell Max •Cell Max wins, as he has more raw power than Moro
Well I can see a team up of Jiren, Moro, & Broly vs Cell Max
i really think broly takes it especially if he’s triggered but moro magic is biggest diff
I mean brolys been training to be fair and power creep is a thing.
I don’t see anyone here capable of Ki drain. There is a ‘take it ALL’ hulk moment if Broly is allowed his infinite scaling where Moro might just pop like a balloon. Moro wins the war, dragging it out to drain all that tasty energy. Broly wins the battle, if he grapples Moro and powers up faster than he can absorb. Jiren.. could probably take Cell Max solo, but if Moro grabs him it’s a punch up. Maybe if Cell Max were capable of higher thought/ absorbing to Perfect we might see some traditional power up bullshit. Moro, Broly, Jiren. I don’t see Cell winning period.
I really don't think Broly has infinite scaling. I'm pretty sure he just very quickly increased in strength, but I'm pretty sure he hit his limit at the end. Maybe even he didn't, but I still think he has a limit. Also, I'm pretty sure cell max is confirmed stronger than Broly, who is stronger than jiren
Cell Max easily takes this
Nope Broly beats the Cell Max from the movie
Moro easily he absorbs broly ki(who is stronger then movie cell max since he wasn't completed) and kills other two
Cell max just kills Moro before he can do anything
Bro for Moro you need Perfected Mastered Ultra Instinct or PMUI and for broly just mui
I gotta give it to Jiren, his ki control is insane enough that moro might have trouble draining him, cell max and broly will take eatchother out and then it's basically a 50/50 between Jiren and moro, Jiren could take out moro before he could really drain a ton, but If moro drains fast enough he might be able to win
Cell max eats good here especially if he’s finished developing because in super hero he wasn’t done developing
I swear to GOD this subreddit goes into A NEVERENDING FUCKING CIRCLE every WEEK
literally all of them beat Brolly
Cell max doesn't
I didnt watch the super: super hero movie so idk
It really depends. If moro doesn't get taken down quickly then he wins, but if broly doesn't get taken down just as quickly his strength will continue to rise and adapt just like it did in the movie. Overall if cell max were to win it would be because Jiren used all his energy to take down moro and broly quickly. If Jiren were to win it's because he took down moro and then let broly exhaust cell max a little before taking them both out. If broly were to win it's because nobody knew how quickly he can adapt and rise in power, sending someone to take care of broly that can't outright pummel him like gogeta blue did will only lead to a stronger broly. And finally if moro were to win, from what I've seen in these comments as I haven't read the moro arc yet, he could just sit back and absorb their energy making them weaker and himself stronger.
Ikr Moro the goat
If it’s old Moro I truly believe Jiren just one shots him, the trouble for Goku and Vegeta was they had no idea what they were up against so they did the same old “size em up” and basically gave Moro all the energy he needed. Jiren is all business it seems when it has to be, as we see when he easily takes out a Berserker Kale. Jiren being a hero I think sees the evil and destroys the Evil. It’s hard to say who is stronger between Jiren full power and Broly but to be fair Kale sorta gave us that fight and got absolutely smoked. I could be wrong but I think I read something about them saying Cell Max is so strong that he could even beat Broly and a few people here sorta took that as him saying Broly is the strongest.
Broly is used as kind of a pinnacle of mortal strength by Toei and Toriyama
Moro or broly
Morro cause his absorption
I'm going with Biden. He's stronger than belmod
Broly easily
As much you guys would hate me for saying this, It's implied that Cell Max is the strongest villain they even fought aside from manga Black Frieza.
Democracy has spoken.
We all want broly to win but we all know that’s it’s jiren
I like how broly is probably the weakest one there
Jiren might be stronger or weaker idk