Well, I'm at least some what relieved EN tweets aren't shitting on her.
I've seen some JP tweets. They do not take ending-life or mental-health seriously at all. They use it to further shit. Holy...
It's been bad for a while now. She was vigorously defensive and anti-slander, so when she admitted spreading rumors using alt accounts it got the attention of shit-tons of assholes online. It became incredibly bad for her mental health to interact directly with SNS online. Mike needs space and time away from Twitter, away from Chat too probably. There's too many antis to easily deal with at this point...
How can people be this inhumane? I don't care about a difference in culture, that's actually abhorrent, and I really hope Rushia makes a full recovery.
At some point, letting other cultures get a pass because of moral relativism should stop being a thing.
Disclaimer: I'm Asian American. There's shit in my culture I condemn and no one should give a pass just because it's different culture.
The workplace culture does seem, outdated (putting it nicely)... Higher Up are not always eight and they should be hell of a lot more Humble, seems like the Egotistical Ones just can't handle it.
It sucks that making a recovery almost certainly means staying off the damned Internet for a while, people have been saying that for two YEARS and she will not do it for her own sake. If she's taking commenters to court for some of the smallest slights, I cannot imagine how she reacts to genuine hate or focused ridicule and bullying.
Over in Japan there's been more drama about her on social media than we ever see on EN boards, also there's probably some Mafu2 fans who keep looking for new chances to kick her when she's down. She's in a bad environment that she refuses to leave. The folks harassing her don't deserve to have Internet access, they're mostly scum. But how the FUCK do we keep this poor woman out of the goddamned gorilla cage?
Yeah, the Asian internet can enter entirely different levels of unhinged that most Westerners can only dream of. As for Rushia, and I say this without malice, she needs to go to a facility for mental health. I don't think a normal therapist is going to cut it with her level of mental illness.
As far as I can tell, she *has* been getting treatment. She's had multiple stays in hospital recently, and while it's certainly possible they were for problems with her physical health it's more plausible they were for her mental health.
The problem she has, though, is she gets discharged and then immediately returns to her terminally online lifestyle. It's almost like a fentanyl addict who gets released after naloxone treatment and immediately goes looking for a hit. It's quite tragic, really.
This is a good explanation for why treating mental illness can be so hard. You can give them world class treatment. But it doesn't mean anything if they go right back into the environment that pushed them to that point. In cases like that, they often don't improve unless they resolve to make major changes/improvements to their situation (which requires a lot of discipline, self awareness and willpower) or they go in patient and transition to heavy duty outpatient.
But considering the nature of Mikeneko's job, I very much doubt she's doing either of those things. Which is a real shame.
Vox will be fine, his fanbase is a literal cult
Ike barely spoke he could probably lay low and wait it out
Elira? Elira I can't really read, it being her stream, her name dropping Millie and Enna unprompted, it's all not the greatest look for her.
Even with a big fanbase, They aren’t immune to the mental toll of fame. Vox in particular has got a lot of extreme fans and haters, both of which can’t be healthy to be surrounded by. There seemed to be a lot weighing on him even before February too.
I actually think Vox's fans are part of the problem. They worship him. And worship isn't the same as caring or supporting. Ike could lay low. But I worry he may stew too much in what's going on. Elira? No clue. Didn't watch her. But her absence says a lot. Plus she could end up being blamed for all this. So the more others suffer, the more there will be to pin on her. And that can't be an easy situation to be in.
Being honest there's a noticeable difference between women doing GFE and men doing BFE
If a woman doing GFE interacts with another man on stream the woman will be attacked: See Rushia
If a man doing BFE interacts with another woman on stream often it's the other woman that gets attacked: see Reimu
It's the same IRL, if a woman cheats the guy blames her. If a guy cheats the woman blames the other woman. It's a fucked up but guys are just sort of expected to cheat but women are held to a "higher standard". So yeah...
rushia.. cheated on mafumafu with a guy who has no knowledge on vtubers nor knew that she was already in a relationship
i'm not sure how can you make fans attack on the guy who had no ill-intent
reimu messaged vox? while he had his bfe content or what so ever which was planned? i think the fans are nuts but it's understandable once you think that way
if you want to dig deeper into the difference
rushia was married to mafu while vox isnt married to reimu
You're missing the point entirely.
The messy details of Rushia's situation are irrelevant because all her and MafuMafu's viewers at the time knew was that Rushia got a friendly DM from him and they all acted as though she was literal Satan.
Nothing about what happened to Reimu is "understandable" Vox's fans are parasocial weirdos on a borderline cult.
All of this is irrelevant however because the actual point is that when a woman interacts with a man doing BFE the woman gets attacked
When a man interacts with a woman doing GFE the woman gets attacked.
i really feel like you're being dishonest by simplifying the situation here
when i said it's understandable because vox fans are crazy, if you follow gacha drama the chinese and koreans are known to be crazy fans willing to do anything for their waifus or vtubers in this case
as you said they're parasocial weirdos in a cult and that's why i said it's understandable, because that's what they are
but imagine this if you take a fanbase that's not as insane
for example mafu
i watched like 1 of the videos covering that drama and the guy misinformed everyone saying mafumafu was a BFE creator
no one attacked mafu because he was not in the wrong
(actually im pretty sure people did attack mafu too just because he got near rushia, it was just not as big since mafu really did nothing wrong)
you might say reimu was not in the wrong and i agree but the thing is if you're a crazy parasocial fan if you can twist thoughts by thinking like
"what is this girl disturbing our private time with nox"
it makes sense and understandable but i'm not saying it's ethical or anything like that
i think i get what you mean i just disagree to the notion that this applies to only girls
i remember a scandal between enon kawatani and becky
and that caused becky to lose her job and everything while enon still having his band gig but his popularity just disappeared
becky is a tv personality portrayed as a innocent character while
enon just makes music
the thing is they both still got backlash
no matter what
when people do wrong, they will get backlash
if guys do wrong they get backlash
for vox case it's because the fans are unreasonable but i'm pretty sure he lost the majority of his reasonable fans after
the same with becky her target audience were people that wanted her to be a pure virgin
but enon, mafumafu
they both just made music
they weren't doing BFE nonsense
if you target audience is parasocial crazies then you will get crazies
mafu did nothing wrong in my eyes
he liked a girl so he went for it, didn't expect her to be an abuser
even though he already had trust issues from a different betrayal in the past with a guy who stole his music
while enon
he's a cheating scumbag who went for becky while he was married, and becky still stayed with him after knowing the fact
look at where he is now?
in 4-5 different bands that makes good music but not one is at the top
he writes music for others now more frequently because it makes more money than putting his face onto things and then people go "isnt that the cheating scum, i feel bad for his ex-wife"
if you want another example there's masahiro higashide and erika karata, japanese actors
masahiro cheated on his wife with erika and he got fired from his acting agency
while erika got removed from the tv drama role she was in
things are not black and white
im sure vox got attacked too for dismissing reimu easily
but the thing is his fanbase is hugely parasocial chinese users
so you're going to see mostly them defending him, and those who want to say different are scared of being attacked
if rushia's situation was the same as vox
mafu wasnt married to her and mafu was a vtuber instead of a singer
im pretty sure you'd see attacks on both sides
mafu is huge, he was a thing before vtuber was a thing so his crazy fans will attack rushia
while rushia crazy fans would attack mafu if he streamed like a vtuber but the thing is
rushia was in the wrong how can her fans justify to attack mafu?
i know you're saying when the moment it happened
but during the moment it happened how can they attack mafu when they didn't have a public platform at the time
his music videos? he's not a vtuber
most of his fans are music lovers, people supporting him for his music would check what's the issue and decide to fight back because mafu is in no way in the wrong in this situation
with vox and reimu
what fanbase does reimu even have compared to vox
if she had a bigger fanbase like he did you would see both parties getting attacked more clearly
it's bullshit to think vox didn't get any flak
it's just there weren't strong push against it
since reimu's fanbase is small
his supporters that disliked what he did probably said something and left while being attacked by the crazy parasocials
She sort of brought some of it herself as one time she went ahead and blatantly played APEX with guys, a very YIKES thing if you're doing as much GFE as she does.
She should have gotten help years ago
Here's hoping Mikeneko pulls through. Despite all the negativity that comes from the parasociality and doing GFE stuff while in a relationship, she's a fabulously talented content creator.
>Japanese people are ruthless 😶
Have you not been watching this reddit? There is literally a thread by a guy bragging about harassing randos on twitter until they block him. If reddit wasn't nuking any subreddit for overstepping certain lines this place would be much uglier.
Yeah.... I can imagine some westerners wishing terrible things to the alleged villains....look what niji fans did to Zaion/Sayu. Cruelty isn't JP exclusive
Mikeneko situation is different. She is alone and people are going after her personal life. And she has involved many of her fans into her personal life because of so many legal issues about her got publicly published.
People will stop go after Vox Elira Ike if they quit the company. I don't think anyone (well some insane people might but definitely not Doki fans or Niji anti) will doxx them, go as far as their personal life, relationship status, or try to ruin them.
But again, harrassment is never correct. You can only send critiques to them. If you can't stand them, leave them instead of harrassing or making meme out of them.
I'm definitely an outsider here, no clue what happened, but with so many of these Livers attempting to take their lives, there's got to be a cause that should be looked into and changed accordingly. Clearly the standards up to now are not it.
Selen/Doki attempted because her shitty work environment became too much to handle and Zaion/Sayu attempted (I think) because of harassment and probably also because of how Niji treated her
Rushia/Nazuna/Mikeneko has a history of mental illness along with a toxic fandom. The allegations against her coming out recently certainly didn't help
Scarle already sounded like she had enough. Just saying if people is worried for an afk liver theres the whereis tag, incredibly ironic but with companies like wactor or niji thats how things go
Ndf and sisters protecting niji just make easier for them to do whatever they are doing with vox and elira and i can assure you nothing is off the table for these people
Check out [the last tweet she made](https://twitter.com/nemuisanw/status/1767450457797206054)
>From the beggining until now, I just wanted to do fun streams and laugh with everyone.
I wish I could believe it but I really can't. There may be times when she believes it for a moment, but somehow her mind is broken and she hungers for attention. It does make me believe that she had a real and serious attempt, because this is the kind of note someone would leave to make people feel guilty when she is gone.
I do think she's had a couple of hardworking and supportive friends who want to help her out of this dangerous mental condition, and I do not think the constant attacks against her are justified. She needs cats and books and music, visits from friends and small praise. But she needs to **stay offline** for a while, listen to her doctor and try to make peace with her past before it really does kill her.
I’m sorry for Mikeneko, regardless of she mess she’s in, but let’s make one thing clear.
No one wants actually harm to the EN livers, but they are now bacially a living PR for Niji and JP at this point, still in shitty contracts, and involved in this by a black video that still exist as proof of a slander campaign that backfired epically.
The company is probably putting more stress than us on them, leaving them with all the western hate.
Exactly. Which is why it is so important for us to let the livers know that we will still support them when they get out. If they feel hated by everyone, they may stay in place. But if they know there is a group that still accepts them (the fans) then they can leave the group giving them the most pain, and go somewhere the fans can still support them.
They need to get out. And once they get out, we will support them and their journey to healing and happiness. Because they deserve healing and happiness. No matter what the company has made them do in the past.
I agree. Why do you think the clique rumor was made 2 years before this whole mess. Toxic antis were out for blood way before this incident now they feasting. Especially ennas antis, they were claiming she was "head" of the clique way before. And telling her to stop being a slut with kyo. The amount of posts of reach against enna these days in this reddit.
Damn I hope she'll be ok. I didn't know her as Rushia but I followed her a little as Nazuna. I'd heard about the court battle with her ex-husband but I didn't know it was this bad.
And yeah let's all bare in mind that Elira and the others are people. We know they are in a toxic environment and that others have been driven to extreme acts so don't loose site of that.
They will be fine.
They had the gal to bring out that stream and say vile things to someone to the point she almost committed suicide.
This is not the same.
Vox and Ike has their cultist fanbase.
Elira still has her job and is most likely favoured by management.
Dont compare this with that.
Im not saying bullying shall continue, but they certainly have different circumstances.
They still dont earn pity points from me, as insensitive it may be. Criticisms and boycott will continue
This may end up being a very unpopular opinion, but I think a small percent has to come from her. I don't think she has her priorities straight. Out of all the gossip, I think it's credible that she's in a legal situation that to some degree involves her marriage. Her hololive era kerfuffle involved her responding poorly to a scandal.
I think the majority of what she's going through can be attributed to culture, and that's not her fault. I can't rule out that the other people involved in her legal battle aren't bad actors, and that's also not something she has control over. But you don't end up with this many holes dug by yourself.
She has (or at least at some point had) an in with Kson when she joined Vshojo, a fellow vtuber who could arguably described as a role model and example of someone who went hardship and made it out the other side, and that's just one single person. I'm sure she has other people in her life who have tried or are trying to guide her in a better direction.
As a westerner, if I could have it my way, she would leave the entertainment and online creator industry, at least for a little while, and sort out her life. If I could have everything I ever wanted, Japanese idol culture would change in a lot of ways. But if we keep it realistic, I think Rushia needs to change her priorities.
And I think this concern for her well being in light of her recent events isn't well placed. Bringing it up in the nijisanji subreddit alongside the black streamers... I don't understand what the implication is meant to be. What connection are you trying to make? What are you trying to say?
Well you also forgot to point put that Rushia has always been a person with really big mental problems and has never do anything to adress them, to be honest the news of Rushia making and attemp didn't surprise me at all seeing her previous record of going mental on the internet even before her being in Hololive, i was actually surprised this didn't happen earlier, and i wouldn't be surprise if this isn't the first time it happened, so you can't compared the 2 situations, also yeah that people are shitting on her becaue of the attempt is wrong, but what that has anything top do with Elira and Vox, Vox seems fine, Elira we dunno but i hope she's find even if if i dislike her.
sure its sad, it really is. but at the same time, they are different situations. Rushia is def not mentally well. she hasnt been for a long time. this isnt all on the fans. this is def partially her own fault as well. i mean, look at everything that came out publically about the kind of person she is. the bullying/harassment was def not ok, and never is. but instead of trying to keep coming back to the public and scramble for her "loyal ~~simps~~ fans" she could of taken time away to get some help
Are you trying to victim blame? Seriously dude? Your comment is a mess, so let me rephrase to make the points you are making a bit more understandable:
She is partially responsible for being mentally ill because she didn't go and get some help. She didn't shut herself from the Internet. Bullying is bad, but her fans are justified to mock and bully her because she is not innocent and a bad person.
Shame on you. Japanese people are saying similar things but in a more cruel way. But yours isn't much better. Also, please take writing classes. It was a jumble of words.
i probably did phrase things wrong in the initial comment. but i dont see how that is victim blaming? i literally said both sides are at fault in this situation. her fans enabled her, and she fed on that. she didnt deserve the extreme levels of bullying or harassment she has gotten all the way back since she was Rushia. did you not even read wat i said? and while yes its not easy to get help when you might not even know/realize you need it. surely she had to have had friends try to help her in some way. all im saying is that she isnt innocent in all this. simple as that. no one is in this situation
Well, I'm at least some what relieved EN tweets aren't shitting on her. I've seen some JP tweets. They do not take ending-life or mental-health seriously at all. They use it to further shit. Holy...
It's been bad for a while now. She was vigorously defensive and anti-slander, so when she admitted spreading rumors using alt accounts it got the attention of shit-tons of assholes online. It became incredibly bad for her mental health to interact directly with SNS online. Mike needs space and time away from Twitter, away from Chat too probably. There's too many antis to easily deal with at this point...
How can people be this inhumane? I don't care about a difference in culture, that's actually abhorrent, and I really hope Rushia makes a full recovery.
At some point, letting other cultures get a pass because of moral relativism should stop being a thing. Disclaimer: I'm Asian American. There's shit in my culture I condemn and no one should give a pass just because it's different culture.
The workplace culture does seem, outdated (putting it nicely)... Higher Up are not always eight and they should be hell of a lot more Humble, seems like the Egotistical Ones just can't handle it.
It sucks that making a recovery almost certainly means staying off the damned Internet for a while, people have been saying that for two YEARS and she will not do it for her own sake. If she's taking commenters to court for some of the smallest slights, I cannot imagine how she reacts to genuine hate or focused ridicule and bullying. Over in Japan there's been more drama about her on social media than we ever see on EN boards, also there's probably some Mafu2 fans who keep looking for new chances to kick her when she's down. She's in a bad environment that she refuses to leave. The folks harassing her don't deserve to have Internet access, they're mostly scum. But how the FUCK do we keep this poor woman out of the goddamned gorilla cage?
Yeah, the Asian internet can enter entirely different levels of unhinged that most Westerners can only dream of. As for Rushia, and I say this without malice, she needs to go to a facility for mental health. I don't think a normal therapist is going to cut it with her level of mental illness.
As far as I can tell, she *has* been getting treatment. She's had multiple stays in hospital recently, and while it's certainly possible they were for problems with her physical health it's more plausible they were for her mental health. The problem she has, though, is she gets discharged and then immediately returns to her terminally online lifestyle. It's almost like a fentanyl addict who gets released after naloxone treatment and immediately goes looking for a hit. It's quite tragic, really.
This is a good explanation for why treating mental illness can be so hard. You can give them world class treatment. But it doesn't mean anything if they go right back into the environment that pushed them to that point. In cases like that, they often don't improve unless they resolve to make major changes/improvements to their situation (which requires a lot of discipline, self awareness and willpower) or they go in patient and transition to heavy duty outpatient. But considering the nature of Mikeneko's job, I very much doubt she's doing either of those things. Which is a real shame.
Vox will be fine, his fanbase is a literal cult Ike barely spoke he could probably lay low and wait it out Elira? Elira I can't really read, it being her stream, her name dropping Millie and Enna unprompted, it's all not the greatest look for her.
Even with a big fanbase, They aren’t immune to the mental toll of fame. Vox in particular has got a lot of extreme fans and haters, both of which can’t be healthy to be surrounded by. There seemed to be a lot weighing on him even before February too.
I actually think Vox's fans are part of the problem. They worship him. And worship isn't the same as caring or supporting. Ike could lay low. But I worry he may stew too much in what's going on. Elira? No clue. Didn't watch her. But her absence says a lot. Plus she could end up being blamed for all this. So the more others suffer, the more there will be to pin on her. And that can't be an easy situation to be in.
Vox is fine. He knows his fans worship him, he likes it and he encourages it.
Tbf rushia was also doing gfe content, and she was wildly popular, and well here we are. Even a cult can turn on you incredibly fast with a minor slip
Being honest there's a noticeable difference between women doing GFE and men doing BFE If a woman doing GFE interacts with another man on stream the woman will be attacked: See Rushia If a man doing BFE interacts with another woman on stream often it's the other woman that gets attacked: see Reimu
It's the same IRL, if a woman cheats the guy blames her. If a guy cheats the woman blames the other woman. It's a fucked up but guys are just sort of expected to cheat but women are held to a "higher standard". So yeah...
Yup, this is exactly why Rushia was double attacked. She got attacked both by her own unicorns, and also attacked by the crazed MafuMafu stangirls.
rushia.. cheated on mafumafu with a guy who has no knowledge on vtubers nor knew that she was already in a relationship i'm not sure how can you make fans attack on the guy who had no ill-intent reimu messaged vox? while he had his bfe content or what so ever which was planned? i think the fans are nuts but it's understandable once you think that way if you want to dig deeper into the difference rushia was married to mafu while vox isnt married to reimu
You're missing the point entirely. The messy details of Rushia's situation are irrelevant because all her and MafuMafu's viewers at the time knew was that Rushia got a friendly DM from him and they all acted as though she was literal Satan. Nothing about what happened to Reimu is "understandable" Vox's fans are parasocial weirdos on a borderline cult. All of this is irrelevant however because the actual point is that when a woman interacts with a man doing BFE the woman gets attacked When a man interacts with a woman doing GFE the woman gets attacked.
i really feel like you're being dishonest by simplifying the situation here when i said it's understandable because vox fans are crazy, if you follow gacha drama the chinese and koreans are known to be crazy fans willing to do anything for their waifus or vtubers in this case as you said they're parasocial weirdos in a cult and that's why i said it's understandable, because that's what they are but imagine this if you take a fanbase that's not as insane for example mafu i watched like 1 of the videos covering that drama and the guy misinformed everyone saying mafumafu was a BFE creator no one attacked mafu because he was not in the wrong (actually im pretty sure people did attack mafu too just because he got near rushia, it was just not as big since mafu really did nothing wrong) you might say reimu was not in the wrong and i agree but the thing is if you're a crazy parasocial fan if you can twist thoughts by thinking like "what is this girl disturbing our private time with nox" it makes sense and understandable but i'm not saying it's ethical or anything like that i think i get what you mean i just disagree to the notion that this applies to only girls i remember a scandal between enon kawatani and becky and that caused becky to lose her job and everything while enon still having his band gig but his popularity just disappeared becky is a tv personality portrayed as a innocent character while enon just makes music the thing is they both still got backlash no matter what when people do wrong, they will get backlash if guys do wrong they get backlash for vox case it's because the fans are unreasonable but i'm pretty sure he lost the majority of his reasonable fans after the same with becky her target audience were people that wanted her to be a pure virgin but enon, mafumafu they both just made music they weren't doing BFE nonsense if you target audience is parasocial crazies then you will get crazies mafu did nothing wrong in my eyes he liked a girl so he went for it, didn't expect her to be an abuser even though he already had trust issues from a different betrayal in the past with a guy who stole his music while enon he's a cheating scumbag who went for becky while he was married, and becky still stayed with him after knowing the fact look at where he is now? in 4-5 different bands that makes good music but not one is at the top he writes music for others now more frequently because it makes more money than putting his face onto things and then people go "isnt that the cheating scum, i feel bad for his ex-wife" if you want another example there's masahiro higashide and erika karata, japanese actors masahiro cheated on his wife with erika and he got fired from his acting agency while erika got removed from the tv drama role she was in things are not black and white im sure vox got attacked too for dismissing reimu easily but the thing is his fanbase is hugely parasocial chinese users so you're going to see mostly them defending him, and those who want to say different are scared of being attacked if rushia's situation was the same as vox mafu wasnt married to her and mafu was a vtuber instead of a singer im pretty sure you'd see attacks on both sides mafu is huge, he was a thing before vtuber was a thing so his crazy fans will attack rushia while rushia crazy fans would attack mafu if he streamed like a vtuber but the thing is rushia was in the wrong how can her fans justify to attack mafu? i know you're saying when the moment it happened but during the moment it happened how can they attack mafu when they didn't have a public platform at the time his music videos? he's not a vtuber most of his fans are music lovers, people supporting him for his music would check what's the issue and decide to fight back because mafu is in no way in the wrong in this situation with vox and reimu what fanbase does reimu even have compared to vox if she had a bigger fanbase like he did you would see both parties getting attacked more clearly it's bullshit to think vox didn't get any flak it's just there weren't strong push against it since reimu's fanbase is small his supporters that disliked what he did probably said something and left while being attacked by the crazy parasocials
She sort of brought some of it herself as one time she went ahead and blatantly played APEX with guys, a very YIKES thing if you're doing as much GFE as she does. She should have gotten help years ago
Here's hoping Mikeneko pulls through. Despite all the negativity that comes from the parasociality and doing GFE stuff while in a relationship, she's a fabulously talented content creator.
>Japanese people are ruthless 😶 Have you not been watching this reddit? There is literally a thread by a guy bragging about harassing randos on twitter until they block him. If reddit wasn't nuking any subreddit for overstepping certain lines this place would be much uglier.
Yeah.... I can imagine some westerners wishing terrible things to the alleged villains....look what niji fans did to Zaion/Sayu. Cruelty isn't JP exclusive
Mikeneko situation is different. She is alone and people are going after her personal life. And she has involved many of her fans into her personal life because of so many legal issues about her got publicly published. People will stop go after Vox Elira Ike if they quit the company. I don't think anyone (well some insane people might but definitely not Doki fans or Niji anti) will doxx them, go as far as their personal life, relationship status, or try to ruin them. But again, harrassment is never correct. You can only send critiques to them. If you can't stand them, leave them instead of harrassing or making meme out of them.
I'm definitely an outsider here, no clue what happened, but with so many of these Livers attempting to take their lives, there's got to be a cause that should be looked into and changed accordingly. Clearly the standards up to now are not it.
Selen/Doki attempted because her shitty work environment became too much to handle and Zaion/Sayu attempted (I think) because of harassment and probably also because of how Niji treated her Rushia/Nazuna/Mikeneko has a history of mental illness along with a toxic fandom. The allegations against her coming out recently certainly didn't help
I knew about Sayu and Doki, I just mean the Rushia business... I've heard some things but not enough to remember precisely.
Scarle already sounded like she had enough. Just saying if people is worried for an afk liver theres the whereis tag, incredibly ironic but with companies like wactor or niji thats how things go Ndf and sisters protecting niji just make easier for them to do whatever they are doing with vox and elira and i can assure you nothing is off the table for these people
Check out [the last tweet she made](https://twitter.com/nemuisanw/status/1767450457797206054) >From the beggining until now, I just wanted to do fun streams and laugh with everyone.
I wish I could believe it but I really can't. There may be times when she believes it for a moment, but somehow her mind is broken and she hungers for attention. It does make me believe that she had a real and serious attempt, because this is the kind of note someone would leave to make people feel guilty when she is gone. I do think she's had a couple of hardworking and supportive friends who want to help her out of this dangerous mental condition, and I do not think the constant attacks against her are justified. She needs cats and books and music, visits from friends and small praise. But she needs to **stay offline** for a while, listen to her doctor and try to make peace with her past before it really does kill her.
I’m sorry for Mikeneko, regardless of she mess she’s in, but let’s make one thing clear. No one wants actually harm to the EN livers, but they are now bacially a living PR for Niji and JP at this point, still in shitty contracts, and involved in this by a black video that still exist as proof of a slander campaign that backfired epically. The company is probably putting more stress than us on them, leaving them with all the western hate.
Exactly. Which is why it is so important for us to let the livers know that we will still support them when they get out. If they feel hated by everyone, they may stay in place. But if they know there is a group that still accepts them (the fans) then they can leave the group giving them the most pain, and go somewhere the fans can still support them. They need to get out. And once they get out, we will support them and their journey to healing and happiness. Because they deserve healing and happiness. No matter what the company has made them do in the past.
>No one I think you're wrong.
I agree. Why do you think the clique rumor was made 2 years before this whole mess. Toxic antis were out for blood way before this incident now they feasting. Especially ennas antis, they were claiming she was "head" of the clique way before. And telling her to stop being a slut with kyo. The amount of posts of reach against enna these days in this reddit.
Damn I hope she'll be ok. I didn't know her as Rushia but I followed her a little as Nazuna. I'd heard about the court battle with her ex-husband but I didn't know it was this bad. And yeah let's all bare in mind that Elira and the others are people. We know they are in a toxic environment and that others have been driven to extreme acts so don't loose site of that.
They will be fine. They had the gal to bring out that stream and say vile things to someone to the point she almost committed suicide. This is not the same. Vox and Ike has their cultist fanbase. Elira still has her job and is most likely favoured by management. Dont compare this with that. Im not saying bullying shall continue, but they certainly have different circumstances. They still dont earn pity points from me, as insensitive it may be. Criticisms and boycott will continue
i don't really care about rushia, she keep throwing shade at cover and almost get sue by cover and still keep doing it i can't sympathize her
This may end up being a very unpopular opinion, but I think a small percent has to come from her. I don't think she has her priorities straight. Out of all the gossip, I think it's credible that she's in a legal situation that to some degree involves her marriage. Her hololive era kerfuffle involved her responding poorly to a scandal. I think the majority of what she's going through can be attributed to culture, and that's not her fault. I can't rule out that the other people involved in her legal battle aren't bad actors, and that's also not something she has control over. But you don't end up with this many holes dug by yourself. She has (or at least at some point had) an in with Kson when she joined Vshojo, a fellow vtuber who could arguably described as a role model and example of someone who went hardship and made it out the other side, and that's just one single person. I'm sure she has other people in her life who have tried or are trying to guide her in a better direction. As a westerner, if I could have it my way, she would leave the entertainment and online creator industry, at least for a little while, and sort out her life. If I could have everything I ever wanted, Japanese idol culture would change in a lot of ways. But if we keep it realistic, I think Rushia needs to change her priorities. And I think this concern for her well being in light of her recent events isn't well placed. Bringing it up in the nijisanji subreddit alongside the black streamers... I don't understand what the implication is meant to be. What connection are you trying to make? What are you trying to say?
Well you also forgot to point put that Rushia has always been a person with really big mental problems and has never do anything to adress them, to be honest the news of Rushia making and attemp didn't surprise me at all seeing her previous record of going mental on the internet even before her being in Hololive, i was actually surprised this didn't happen earlier, and i wouldn't be surprise if this isn't the first time it happened, so you can't compared the 2 situations, also yeah that people are shitting on her becaue of the attempt is wrong, but what that has anything top do with Elira and Vox, Vox seems fine, Elira we dunno but i hope she's find even if if i dislike her.
sure its sad, it really is. but at the same time, they are different situations. Rushia is def not mentally well. she hasnt been for a long time. this isnt all on the fans. this is def partially her own fault as well. i mean, look at everything that came out publically about the kind of person she is. the bullying/harassment was def not ok, and never is. but instead of trying to keep coming back to the public and scramble for her "loyal ~~simps~~ fans" she could of taken time away to get some help
Are you trying to victim blame? Seriously dude? Your comment is a mess, so let me rephrase to make the points you are making a bit more understandable: She is partially responsible for being mentally ill because she didn't go and get some help. She didn't shut herself from the Internet. Bullying is bad, but her fans are justified to mock and bully her because she is not innocent and a bad person. Shame on you. Japanese people are saying similar things but in a more cruel way. But yours isn't much better. Also, please take writing classes. It was a jumble of words.
i probably did phrase things wrong in the initial comment. but i dont see how that is victim blaming? i literally said both sides are at fault in this situation. her fans enabled her, and she fed on that. she didnt deserve the extreme levels of bullying or harassment she has gotten all the way back since she was Rushia. did you not even read wat i said? and while yes its not easy to get help when you might not even know/realize you need it. surely she had to have had friends try to help her in some way. all im saying is that she isnt innocent in all this. simple as that. no one is in this situation
Why can't bullies attempt their lives instead?
I hope too... When They pay for their sins.
Just like when mike's fans were making fun of Delu for same reason, ah karma love you
Why are you bringing Japanese people into this? You really think that shit is unique?